1 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 1: Listeners of this show know I ask three questions of 3 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: all my guests. I ask what they think the largest 4 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 1: cultural issue is, and sometimes I side ask whether they 5 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:26,800 Speaker 1: think it's solvable. I ask whether they think they've made 6 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: it whatever that means to them, and I ask them 7 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: to suggest a tip for better living. I'm planning to 8 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 1: switch up these three questions when I hit the one 9 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:40,160 Speaker 1: year anniversary of this podcast in October, and I'm taking 10 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 1: listener suggestions for what the new questions might be. Email 11 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 1: me at Carol Markowitz Show at gmail dot com, k 12 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: A r O L M A r KO WI c 13 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: AS and Charlie Zas and Zebra Show at gmail dot com. 14 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 1: In the meantime, I've been thinking that it's graduation season, 15 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 1: and so to combine two of my questions on making 16 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 1: it and on better living, I would give this piece 17 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: of advice to graduates help everyone who asks. A lot 18 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:16,119 Speaker 1: of people whoard resources or think that helping other people 19 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 1: career rise will somehow hurt them. Anytime anyone asks me 20 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 1: for an editor contact or a producer contact, or just 21 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: asking for advice on how to pitch something or who 22 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: to send an article to, I help them. It doesn't 23 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 1: matter who. I really believe doing this is good for everyone. 24 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:39,400 Speaker 1: You never know who will have potential to help you 25 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 1: along the way. But don't do it just for that. 26 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 1: Do it because helping other people in their careers is 27 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 1: the right thing to do. We're supposed to help each other, 28 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 1: especially for those just starting out. But I have to 29 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 1: say that so many people who I have helped along 30 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: the way have also helped me. I have a lot 31 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: of flaws, but the one I don't have is jealous 32 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 1: I just don't consider that when someone else has something 33 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 1: that means I can't have it. Don't get me wrong. 34 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 1: I can be very petty when someone messages me, for example, 35 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: to share their work, and then I see that they 36 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 1: don't follow me. That's basically always a delete. Like I said, 37 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: I'm not perfect. But helping other writers who do follow 38 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: me get their work published or get on TV, or 39 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: giving them advice, I'm very into all of it. If 40 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:31,080 Speaker 1: you're just getting into your field, try to help as 41 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 1: many people as possible along the way. It always comes 42 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:37,239 Speaker 1: back to you. Coming up next an interview with Noah Pollock. 43 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 1: Join us after the break. Welcome back to the Carol 44 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. My guest today is Noah Pollock. 45 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 1: Noah has written for Freebeacon, Commentary, National Review, Wall Street Journal, 46 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 1: and many others. He appears occasionally on Fox News, Megan 47 00:02:56,600 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 1: Kelly and other fine programs like this one. He's an 48 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 1: active and fun Twitter follow at Noah Pollock. He lives, 49 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: for some reason, in Los Angeles with his wife and children. 50 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 2: Hi, Noah, Hey there, thanks for having me. 51 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: So nice to have you on. And why do you 52 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 1: live in Los Angeles? 53 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 2: It's a woman took me out here. My wife grew 54 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 2: up here and and so this was this was you know, 55 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 2: with little kids, her family's here, and we have little kids, 56 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 2: and so it became it was just much easier to 57 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 2: be out here. And it turned out that I'm largely 58 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 2: able to do my job from here. And so, yeah, 59 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 2: we live in West l A. And not for not 60 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 2: for necessarily too much longer, but but we're going to 61 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 2: be part of the exodus of people leaving California for 62 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 2: Red State. Awesome, partly partly due to your influence, good good, 63 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 2: and but yeah, we're so for the past several years, 64 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 2: you know, I don't know, seven years we've been out 65 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 2: here and it's fine. The weather's nice. 66 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 1: I'll say that the weather is nice. And the food. 67 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 1: I like the food in la I think it's very 68 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: fresh and innovative. So there's definitely pluses to being there. 69 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 1: I had Alicia Krauss on the show, and she really 70 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 1: doesn't like that I convince people to leave places like 71 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:22,479 Speaker 1: California and move to Red states because she thinks, you know, 72 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 1: you need to stay and fight, which you know, a 73 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: perspective I totally understand, but life is short, and you 74 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: got to. 75 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 2: Get the problem with California is that, you know, the 76 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 2: Democratic Party doesn't actually run the state. The Democratic Party 77 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 2: is a facade for the people who do run the state, 78 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 2: which is the unions. California has an incredibly dominant public 79 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:46,480 Speaker 2: sector unions here and they really own the Democrats and 80 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 2: pretty much, you know, most of what you see the 81 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:51,159 Speaker 2: Democrats doing in California are is at the behest of 82 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:55,359 Speaker 2: the unions, and it's like not a fair fight. And 83 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 2: the other problem with this idea of like staying in 84 00:04:57,040 --> 00:05:00,919 Speaker 2: and fighting is that today there's so much internal migration 85 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:04,280 Speaker 2: in the United States that you're not like the good 86 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 2: people who would be your allies in that fight are 87 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 2: they've left. And so the actual numbers, like the people 88 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:14,479 Speaker 2: leaving California to move to Texas and Florida and Tennessee 89 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 2: and places like that, they're not progressives, they're Republicans. So 90 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 2: you have like this ever kind of you. You're in 91 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 2: this like death spiral demographically, and so I have zero 92 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:28,040 Speaker 2: interest in staying and fighting. California will be a state 93 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:31,279 Speaker 2: that is run like New York is by the unions 94 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 2: and the left, and the good people and the kind 95 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 2: of reasonable people will leave and it's going to be 96 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 2: one of those things where like, well, the last person 97 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:41,280 Speaker 2: who leaves California turn the lights off. You know it's 98 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 2: going to be right. I love political fights, That's what 99 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 2: I do for a living, But I have zero interest 100 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 2: in staying and fighting in a place like California. 101 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 1: Right, especially again, when you have kids, like there's only 102 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 1: so much time to give them the kind of childhood 103 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:57,280 Speaker 1: that you want them to have, and you you kind 104 00:05:57,279 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 1: of want to get them to a place of sanity. 105 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 1: I speak from experience on this, and things really do improve. 106 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:05,719 Speaker 1: And you know, I'm glad to hear that you're moving 107 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 1: in that direction. 108 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 2: It's also it's also with the kids. It's like it's 109 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:13,600 Speaker 2: the expense. I mean you can LAUSD is the second 110 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 2: biggest school district in the country. They have an eight 111 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 2: billion dollar a year budget. It's more than most states, 112 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:23,720 Speaker 2: and the quality of the public schools in Los Angeles 113 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:27,040 Speaker 2: County is abysmal. Your kids do not get an education here. 114 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 2: I mean, forget all the woke stuff. They just don't 115 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 2: get an education. So unless you really don't care that 116 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 2: your kids are going to basically be illiterate when they 117 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:34,480 Speaker 2: graduate high. 118 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:36,840 Speaker 1: School, I care. I kind of care about that. 119 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 2: Which I care about. You have to send your kids 120 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:42,479 Speaker 2: to a private school. Private school in West la is 121 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:45,599 Speaker 2: like forty five grande a year, right, that's post tax 122 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 2: that is not deductible money, Like if you have more 123 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 2: than one kid or any kids. It's also just enormously expensive. 124 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 2: I mean, if you're putting three kids through like private school, 125 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 2: it's one hundred and fifty grade a year. Like it's untenable. 126 00:06:58,600 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 2: This is what they believe. 127 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny because I think people are from New 128 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 1: York are listening to this and like being like only 129 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 1: forty five thousand, it's like sixty five I. 130 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 2: Think there's seventy, there's a few more. 131 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 1: You know, so what kind of stuff do you enjoy covering? 132 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 1: Like what do you what do you most like to 133 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 1: write about and talk about. 134 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 2: I sort of what I'm fascinated by is the the 135 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 2: kind of the way that the left has managed, incredibly successfully, 136 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 2: especially over the last thirty years, to take over the 137 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 2: most important institutions of our society and to kind of 138 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 2: turn those institutions into entities that advance leftist political power. 139 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 2: I sort of find the left fascinating, like on a 140 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 2: psychological level of you know, why do you want to 141 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 2: destroy something that's so that works so well, that's so 142 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 2: rare in the history, that's so such a a little 143 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 2: garden of paradise that we have here called the United 144 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 2: States of America, where you can live a life that 145 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 2: ninety nine point nine percent of people throughout human history 146 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 2: could never have even imagined how beautiful this could be. 147 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 2: And they really do want to come in. And basically 148 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 2: I think there's like a weird like impulse of destruction 149 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 2: alone progresses today and it's like a cult of destruction. 150 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 2: And so I, you know, the work that I do 151 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 2: is trying to come up with creative policy ideas to 152 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 2: stop that, to turn back the tide, to figure out 153 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 2: ways that conservatives can protect these institutions or build new institutions. 154 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 2: There's this like one of the things that's difficult is 155 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 2: the kind of ongoing basic imbalance and mentality. But in 156 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 2: this fight between the left and the right, where on 157 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 2: the right conservatives generally just want to be left alone, 158 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 2: Like we don't actually want to be having like revolutionary 159 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 2: political battles of live for this. This is like what 160 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 2: they get up in the morning. This is what they 161 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 2: want to do. And so like for the schools, you know, 162 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 2: to take like K through twelve education is a perfect 163 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 2: example of this. The reason why the left is able 164 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 2: to take over the schools while the rest of us 165 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 2: are kind of sleeping. It's not because conservatives are lazy 166 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 2: or dumb or anything like that. It's the conservatives are normal, 167 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 2: and we don't actually live our lives waking up in 168 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 2: the morning thinking like, oh, we need to like we 169 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 2: want to we need to teach fourth graders about you know, 170 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 2: systemic racism. So let's take over the school board, let's 171 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 2: take over the curriculum, let's take over the So like 172 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 2: there's this there's this inherent imbalance we have, and that's 173 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 2: that's a that's a very hard baked in problem. They 174 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:56,559 Speaker 2: want to change everything, we don't. 175 00:09:57,360 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, and the people who want to change everything in 176 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 1: our mo to do that are obviously on this march 177 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 1: through our institutions where we're mostly like stop, please, no, right, 178 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 1: it's tough. 179 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 2: Now, you get this, you really. I think we're witnessing 180 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 2: like this phenomenon where the people who want to change 181 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:21,119 Speaker 2: things actually have a huge kind of built in advantage 182 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 2: for sure over the people who don't want to change things, 183 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 2: because the people who don't want to change things generally 184 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 2: don't catch on to what's happening until it's too late. 185 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 1: And so many normal like I'm not even you know, 186 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 1: I'm saying normal as a not very political people don't 187 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 1: know that it's happening at all. Like, right, I think 188 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 1: a lot of people woke up during the pandemic, but 189 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 1: I think a lot of other people just still don't know, 190 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 1: still don't know what's going on, And there was such 191 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 1: a difference in the pandemic. I think, like you know, 192 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:54,679 Speaker 1: it's partly the migration thing. I think that people conservative 193 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 1: or moderate people are leaving these Blue states because they 194 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 1: saw something during the pandemic. But in Red states, for example, 195 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 1: where schools did reopen, parents didn't quite see what was 196 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: going on in their schools. And even in Red states, 197 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 1: the left has managed to take over the school boards 198 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: and take over the curriculums and all of that. And 199 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 1: so when I speak to audiences, I find it much 200 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 1: harder to convince Red state audiences that this is happening 201 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: because they kind of still feel safe in their local 202 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 1: schools and et cetera. 203 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 2: This is like the Jesse Kelly point about the normy norms, 204 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:33,200 Speaker 2: and no, it's totally true. And it's funny because you know, 205 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 2: you always hear like, you know, I talked to a 206 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 2: lot of people who were either leaving Blue states or 207 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 2: you know, people friends in Red states, and the concern 208 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 2: is always, you know, don't California, my Texas, and I like, 209 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 2: I view the Red state Republicans as being soft complacent, 210 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:57,559 Speaker 2: like when I show up, when me and my family 211 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 2: show up wherever we're going to show up, like we're 212 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 2: coming in guns blazing from the right, right, Yeah, we're 213 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 2: coming in hot, Like this is weird, like the I'm 214 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 2: shocked at. For example, Texas has been a trifecta Republican state, 215 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 2: meaning the Republicans have the governor at the House and 216 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 2: the Senate. In Texas since two thousand and three, twenty 217 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:24,199 Speaker 2: one years, it has been a trifecta Republican state. You 218 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 2: would think that Texas would be like, you know, Nirvana 219 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 2: for conservatives, and it's actually surprising that in twenty one years, 220 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 2: how little in the realm of conservative policy reform has 221 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 2: gotten done. No choice, and it's probably done more in 222 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 2: a few years than Texas has in twenty state Republican 223 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 2: goops are complacent and they should not be. They should 224 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 2: be like the Florida like your home state, right. 225 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:52,959 Speaker 1: You know, I like that a lot, but yeah, you're 226 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 1: absolutely right. I think Texas is a great example of that. 227 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 1: Obviously they're a conservative state. They've done a lot, but 228 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 1: like they don't have school choice, Like how is that possible? 229 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:03,559 Speaker 1: And I know Corey the Angels talks about this a lot. 230 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 1: It has to be, but how come its take it 231 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:09,199 Speaker 1: so long? You have a top to bottom conservative government. 232 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:11,959 Speaker 1: It should be there already, It's such an obvious thing. 233 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 1: But there's there's things that need to be kind of 234 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 1: overcome in order for these states to feel threatened, and 235 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 1: I should hope that they get there. But you know, 236 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 1: I've seen firsthand that it's it's tough to talk to 237 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:29,199 Speaker 1: Red state audiences. They think like, oh, yeah, obviously it's 238 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 1: happening in New York and San Francisco, but not my school, 239 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 1: not my kids' school. And I'm like, your kids teacher 240 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: went to the same teacher's college that teaches Marxist textbooks. 241 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:43,200 Speaker 1: Then my teachers, my kids school teacher went to in Brooklyn. 242 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 1: So you know, it's not you You're not safe here. 243 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, Like a part of it is. You know, 244 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 2: I've in my work, I've gotten to know some of 245 00:13:54,920 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 2: the governors and the It's interesting, you know, there's kind 246 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 2: of among a lot of Republican governors is like two 247 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 2: different mentalities. There's, on the one hand, the more like 248 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 2: desantist mentality of someone who is really has the foot 249 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 2: on the gas, has a very clear worldview, has like 250 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 2: firm ideological commitments toward you know, all of these these issues. 251 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 2: And then you have a lot of governors of Red 252 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:26,239 Speaker 2: states who they're they're more a classic kind of politician 253 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 2: of the squeaky wheel, gets the de grease. They're not 254 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 2: there to shake things up. They're there to kind of 255 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 2: they're they're there for their biggest concern to the Yah, Yeah, 256 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 2: they're happy to be there, and their typical concerns are 257 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 2: just like, can I get through the legislative session without 258 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 2: too much craziness? Is the state economy? Good? Am I 259 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 2: bringing businesses in, which are all like very important things, 260 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 2: And I know I integrate, like the economy obviously is 261 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 2: super important. But you know, there are governors where you 262 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 2: kind of look at them and say, like, God, there's 263 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 2: so much you could be doing in your state, and 264 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 2: there's just not like energy there for it. And I 265 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 2: think part of it is because the people, to your 266 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 2: point and to many people's point of like red state 267 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 2: residents are like their states generally work pretty well and 268 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 2: they're pretty happy, and so no one's clamoring for change, 269 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 2: and so the governors don't do anything because no one's 270 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 2: no one's kind of pushing them. And it takes a 271 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 2: guy I like to stand this who really has that 272 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 2: sense of wanting to do something great and wanting to 273 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 2: reform the state, and it's just it's it's sadly candidates 274 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 2: like him are too rare. There really aren't enough of them. 275 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 1: We're going to take a quick break and be right 276 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 1: back on the Carol Marcowitch Show. What do you say 277 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 1: is our largest cultural problem? 278 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 2: I think kind of indisputably as secularism. I think everything 279 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 2: flows from that. If you go upstream of any issue 280 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 2: that most any issue, that problem that we have, within 281 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 2: a level or two, you get to the issue of secularism. 282 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 2: And by this, I don't mean you know, whether or 283 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 2: not someone goes to church a few times a year. 284 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 2: I mean, like on a deeper kind of cultural level, 285 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 2: and just the way that you see yourself in your 286 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 2: community in history, the basic where you get your values, 287 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 2: like what fills up the sort of internal void that 288 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 2: everyone has of how do I want to live my life? 289 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 2: What values do want? Do I want to impart to 290 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 2: my children? Where do I where do I find authority 291 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 2: in my life to help guide me? You know? And 292 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 2: and we have a across Western countries we have this 293 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 2: incredible growth of of of of secularism. And I think 294 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 2: it is that the lack of people placing themselves in 295 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 2: a religious context is what leads to the kind of 296 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 2: out aage season that we see now. There is now 297 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 2: like a regular feature of American life is these spasms 298 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 2: of like street protest. And in twenty twenty it was 299 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 2: BLM and it was George Floyd and then it was 300 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 2: COVID and you had people screaming at each other about masks. 301 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 2: Now it's Israel and you have all the people in 302 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:20,199 Speaker 2: the streets about you know, Palestine and Gaza, and like 303 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 2: it's never the actual thing that they're they're they're doing that. 304 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:26,639 Speaker 2: These are like quasi the protests that sort of the 305 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 2: cult of protest has become. 306 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:30,880 Speaker 1: And the climate change in between all of this, right, 307 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 1: every climate quality, climate change. 308 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like this is people who need to go 309 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:39,679 Speaker 2: to church or who need to go to shol, but 310 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 2: they don't do that because they've convinced themselves that they're 311 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 2: ways too smart to do something as silly and old 312 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 2: fashioned as that. But they go to church and they 313 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 2: have all sorts of religious deserve. They have cash root, right, 314 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:55,640 Speaker 2: they have a dietary laws, which is you know, locally 315 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 2: sourced organic farm to a table age free. You know 316 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:03,359 Speaker 2: that's cush root, right, It's just secular cush roots. So 317 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:06,439 Speaker 2: like you have these people where this void is filled 318 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 2: up with social media and phones and like wacky political 319 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 2: causes and anger, and it's having an incredibly terrible effect 320 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 2: on society. And that's just kind of I would say, 321 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 2: more in like the upper classes, but secularism also you know, 322 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:31,879 Speaker 2: crime and education problems and all of these things like fatherlessness. 323 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 2: Another enormous, profound, profound problem that is upstream of so 324 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 2: many things is driven by secularism and by just the 325 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:44,919 Speaker 2: collapse of people having basic, basic values. And I'm not 326 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 2: saying this is like a holy role or like we 327 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 2: go to show on Saturdays, and it's not about that 328 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 2: you have to become if you're Jewish you have to 329 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 2: become like black hat or something, or if you're Catholic 330 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 2: you have to go to Mass every day. But it's 331 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 2: more of like where you look to for values and authority. 332 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, they've replaced it. I mean it's still religion. 333 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 1: It's just a slightly different religion. But you could see 334 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 1: it they do. It's all the same custom kind of things. 335 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:16,359 Speaker 2: Right. And if the other problem is like if you 336 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:20,680 Speaker 2: have nothing to conserve, you will not be a conservative, right, 337 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 2: it shouldn't be a shock that people who don't have children, 338 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:30,159 Speaker 2: that people who I don't you know, it's hard for 339 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:32,119 Speaker 2: me to kind of wrap my head around it. But 340 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:35,360 Speaker 2: but if you're not part of the kind of part 341 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 2: of society that has kids or who sees yourself one 342 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 2: day having kids, being married, having a family like kind 343 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:48,959 Speaker 2: of being part of things, why why would you really 344 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 2: care about about conserving anything, the idea of changing the 345 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:58,359 Speaker 2: fundamental nature of our society, our culture, our institutions. Okay, fine, 346 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:01,119 Speaker 2: what does it matter. You don't have kids who are 347 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:04,359 Speaker 2: going to be dealing with the consequences. So if we don't, 348 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 2: if people don't have something to conserve, they're not going 349 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 2: to be They're not going to have the mindset required 350 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 2: to be a conservative someone who respects, you know, being 351 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 2: careful about changing things. 352 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:19,879 Speaker 1: Did you always want to be in politics? I? 353 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I that's a good question. I briefly dabbled in 354 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 2: the idea of being an archaeologist. 355 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:31,200 Speaker 1: My follow up question was going to be like, well, 356 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 1: when you were talve, okay, but like, what would be 357 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 1: as plan be Like, if you weren't doing this, what 358 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:36,160 Speaker 1: would you be doing? 359 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,640 Speaker 2: I would probably be do something with cars. I worked 360 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 2: as a car mechanic and through college, and that's like 361 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 2: my big hobby. I really like cars, and it's like 362 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:50,399 Speaker 2: a but it's not. I've never found it enough that 363 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 2: I could really make it a career in terms of 364 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 2: my interest. But no, I basically, yeah, I basically have 365 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 2: always been a bit of a political junkie. More I 366 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:03,200 Speaker 2: would say I started more in the ideas realm of 367 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 2: In college, I mainly studied constitutional law, and I just 368 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:10,639 Speaker 2: thought I was going to go to law school and 369 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 2: made kind of areas like con law and UH and 370 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:19,159 Speaker 2: political theory. Not that I'm any have any depth in 371 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 2: either of these things, but it's what I It's what 372 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 2: I mainly studied, and I really love the ideas and 373 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 2: I love the you know, understanding of the kind of 374 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:30,439 Speaker 2: history of ideas and why do people in different eras 375 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 2: believe different things? And that kind of turned into you know, 376 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 2: the kind of work work I do now. But yeah, 377 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:41,639 Speaker 2: I I always had a political and kind of justice 378 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:43,440 Speaker 2: oriented mindset. 379 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:48,199 Speaker 1: Do you feel like you've made it? 380 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 2: Yes? And no. No, in the sense that you know, 381 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:56,400 Speaker 2: the economic concept that you know, human wants are unlimited 382 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 2: is true, and you always want to make more money 383 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 2: and want to have more influence and have more achievements, 384 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:05,440 Speaker 2: and you know, one of the frustrations of my line 385 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 2: of work and It's a very minor frustration. Really is like, 386 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:11,399 Speaker 2: I work behind the scenes on a lot of different stuff, 387 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 2: and so I don't. There's things that happen, you know, 388 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 2: in the news that I had a you know, some 389 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:21,399 Speaker 2: role in and you know, only a few people know, 390 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:23,679 Speaker 2: so I don't, you know. 391 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 1: But but does that feel satisfying? I feel like i'd 392 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 1: be so like, oh, I'm so powerful. 393 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 2: I'm not powerful. But no, yeah, no I don't. Some 394 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 2: people like really want to be front and center and 395 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:39,640 Speaker 2: they want to you know, I don't actually have much 396 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 2: of that kind of mindset, so I don't. But but no, 397 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,640 Speaker 2: like you always want more enough, I have other things 398 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,119 Speaker 2: I'd like to achieve. But the truth is that I 399 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:53,119 Speaker 2: do feel that I've made it. I came from a 400 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 2: rural part of Romanic, grew up on a farm. Our 401 00:22:56,320 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 2: closest neighbors were half a mile away. My parents were 402 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 2: not in any way plugged into They left New York 403 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 2: City in the late sixties and kind of because they 404 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 2: wanted to not be in society. I think we're off 405 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 2: d early. Yeah, they just kind of wanted to be 406 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:20,679 Speaker 2: like out like on their farm, you know. And so I, 407 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 2: you know, I operate now among some really amazing people. 408 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:28,439 Speaker 2: And I when I was twenty or sixteen, like I 409 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 2: didn't even know the world that I work in now 410 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 2: even existed. I mean, I was a real Haye seed. 411 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:37,360 Speaker 2: I didn't grow up with you know, jackets and ties. 412 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 1: And any of this either. 413 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think you and I are kind 414 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 2: of similar in that. And you know, I didn't have 415 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 2: any family connections to any of this, and I kind 416 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 2: of stumbled my way into it. And I feel like 417 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:54,639 Speaker 2: one of the luckiest guys on earth. I mean, the 418 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 2: people I get to work with are some of the best, smartest, 419 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 2: most effective people. I love my colleagues, I love the 420 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:07,639 Speaker 2: work that I do, and I you know, I'm a 421 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 2: I'm a very I think one of the keys to 422 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:15,400 Speaker 2: happiness is being having gratitude. And typically what you see 423 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,679 Speaker 2: of people who especially in this political context, where like 424 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:23,719 Speaker 2: the protesters, the angry people, like they all clearly have 425 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 2: zero love or gratitude for really anything. They you can 426 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:33,160 Speaker 2: see that they're they're very angry people. And I love 427 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 2: the work that I do, and so I'm yeah, I 428 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:38,919 Speaker 2: in that sense, like I totally feel that I've made it, 429 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 2: like I couldn't. There's nothing else I really want to 430 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 2: want to do and so that to me, it's my 431 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:49,159 Speaker 2: work is very satisfying to me. And so yeah, in 432 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,200 Speaker 2: that sense, like I feel like I've got something incredible, 433 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:53,920 Speaker 2: I've lucked out in a huge way. 434 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,199 Speaker 1: I like that. Yeah, that's that's what we're supposed to be. 435 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:00,240 Speaker 1: We're supposed to be grateful and happy about all of it. Fact, 436 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,200 Speaker 1: you know, we never even heard of this field growing up. 437 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 1: I think that's something to that. Like ending up here 438 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,920 Speaker 1: and feeling grateful to be here is a good feeling 439 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:11,440 Speaker 1: to me. 440 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 2: You know, politicians and you know, getting thoughts. 441 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 1: Get it, I know, but I don't know about getting 442 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:23,239 Speaker 1: to meet politicians like they get to meet us. 443 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 2: Right, But you know what I mean, Like I never 444 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 2: would have thought when I was twenty at the University 445 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:34,439 Speaker 2: of Vermont, you know, going to house parties that it 446 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,200 Speaker 2: didn't it didn't occur to me that I could be 447 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:39,199 Speaker 2: doing the kind of stuff i'm doing now, or that 448 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 2: I was capable of it, you know, or that they 449 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 2: had really even had the ability, and so you know, 450 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:47,359 Speaker 2: it's it's it's it's exciting to me. 451 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 1: So well. I love that. End here with your best 452 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 1: tip for my listeners on how they can improve their lives. 453 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 2: This is a hard one, you know. I already mentioned 454 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 2: that I think having a a perspective on the world 455 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:07,639 Speaker 2: of gratitude is the key to being not it's not 456 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,399 Speaker 2: almost being happy. It's not an instrument. It's like it's 457 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 2: it's it's a truthful thing. It's a matter of being 458 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:18,439 Speaker 2: actually like realistic about where you are in the world 459 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,920 Speaker 2: and and the blessings that you have. I mean, if 460 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:24,640 Speaker 2: you were in the Warsaw ghetto, one would not say, like, well, 461 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 2: the important thing is to be grateful, right, because people 462 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,200 Speaker 2: have every reason yeah, not to if you were dying 463 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 2: of like the plague in the you know, Middle Ages 464 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,880 Speaker 2: or something like that would be different. But like, thankfully, 465 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:39,920 Speaker 2: that's not the world we live in. I think I 466 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 2: think that's very important. I think that there's too much, 467 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,919 Speaker 2: especially among young people there there there there's too much 468 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,879 Speaker 2: of an infatuation with new stuff, and new stuff is 469 00:26:55,880 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 2: almost always bad. New stuff is not cool, old stuff 470 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:05,480 Speaker 2: is cool, and old stuff is typically best because if 471 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,359 Speaker 2: something new was actually better, they would have thought of 472 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 2: it before, and they didn't think of it before, which 473 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 2: pretty much tells you that it's bad. And so just 474 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:19,919 Speaker 2: the ways of living that you know, developed in little 475 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 2: increments over thousands of years of human history. 476 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 1: You mean like ideas and not like dishwashers, because yeah, 477 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:27,920 Speaker 1: but yeah. 478 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:32,119 Speaker 2: It's technology, Like you know, you don't need a I 479 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 2: don't know, like some device in your house that you 480 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 2: talk to that's like a computer that to turn the 481 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 2: lights on. Like I just think that that stuff is bad. 482 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,239 Speaker 2: But yeah, I generally mean like ideas. You know, there 483 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,359 Speaker 2: are so many like trendy ideas and fashionable causes and 484 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 2: latest things and new like hysterias. I mean, clout you 485 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,479 Speaker 2: mentioned climate change. That's like a great one of like 486 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 2: you should basically feel that your life is doomed and 487 00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 2: we're all going to die because some goof ball keep 488 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 2: saying it over and over again. That's an example of 489 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:09,680 Speaker 2: like you should have an aversion to trendy new ideas. 490 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 2: They should be guilty until proven innocent in your eyes. 491 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 2: The old ways are typically the best ways, and the 492 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:21,640 Speaker 2: old advice of like, you know, get married, have children, 493 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 2: have some religious involvement in a community. That's like a 494 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 2: good way of feeling that your life is happy and 495 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 2: actually genuinely being happy. That's that's like boring advice. It 496 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 2: happens to be great as it works, and the idea 497 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 2: that like you should in some way allow your thinking 498 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,840 Speaker 2: or your life to be influenced by like the raving 499 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 2: lunatic twenty eight year old purple haired PhD in gender 500 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 2: studies who has decided five minutes ago that there's like 501 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 2: a you know, a gender spectrum, you know, and maybe 502 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 2: you're the wrong gender and that's what you should be 503 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 2: telling your kids or like this type of stuff. It's 504 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 2: like new things are generally bad and stupid, and I, 505 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 2: you know, other than all the normal things about you know, 506 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 2: ways to improve your life. But you know, that's my 507 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 2: only kind of that that that could be a good 508 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 2: way of looking at things. And I just look at 509 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 2: it that way because I'm commergingly and I just enjoy 510 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 2: hating new things because I'm like middle aged now and 511 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 2: and that's just part of. 512 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 1: The fund on new things are bad. He is Noah Pollock. 513 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Noah, this has been really really great. 514 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 1: Thank you for having Thank you, thanks so much for 515 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 1: joining us on the Carol Marcowitz Show. Subscribe wherever you 516 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:42,840 Speaker 1: get your podcasts.