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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Serd and Samantha. Welcome stuff. I never

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Speaker 1: told you protection of iHeartRadio, and we are back with

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Speaker 1: our classic miniseries run of our Last of Us episodes

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Speaker 1: that we did when the show was premiering last year.

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Speaker 1: I think time feels so but I have been, as

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Speaker 1: you listeners know, if you've been regularly tuning in, things

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Speaker 1: have been busy for us. Things have been busy, a

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Speaker 1: little chaotic. We did go to Seattle, and when I

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Speaker 1: got back, of course, one of the first things I

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Speaker 1: did was start playing the Last of Us two again,

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Speaker 1: which takes place in Seattle, and Samantha and her partner

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Speaker 1: have been getting a lot of just screenshots.

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Speaker 2: From me, like, look, fantastic, it's that place, it's this place,

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Speaker 2: it is that place you went without me.

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Speaker 1: Well only a few of them are that, but one specifically. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: the theater and the aquarium, the big ones.

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Speaker 2: But no, no, I'm thinking about us going without you.

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Speaker 1: Oh all right, well the toll is though. Now you

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Speaker 1: have to play that part with me and tell me

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Speaker 1: how accurate it is.

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, Well, we're trying to do this Sunday Sunday Sunday,

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Speaker 3: and I guess we're going to have to run through

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Speaker 3: a little bit of Last of Us because as we

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Speaker 3: do or don't do this Sunday Sunday Sunday feel like

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Speaker 3: we add on to the traditions, and Last of Us

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Speaker 3: does make SENSEI last time.

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Speaker 2: You came through, we did turn it on for you,

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Speaker 2: and you cried.

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Speaker 1: I cried so hard I ended up hurting my ears.

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Speaker 1: But that's what part of loving something sad is. But

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Speaker 1: episode six, Ken is when they reach Jackson and they

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Speaker 1: say that, yes, well, please enjoy this classic episod. Hey

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Speaker 1: this Sanny and Samantha and welcome to Stephan never told

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Speaker 1: you a protection of iHeartRadio. And here we are with

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Speaker 1: our part six. We love our special The Last of Us,

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Speaker 1: HBO Max series The Last of Us, based on the

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Speaker 1: twenty thirteen game of which I am a huge fan.

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Speaker 1: We are not the official podcast, and in fact, somebody

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Speaker 1: texted me the other day and was like, I heard

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Speaker 1: this on the podcast and I was like, oh really,

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Speaker 1: I didn't know that. They're like, oh, it's not your podcast.

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Speaker 1: I was like, all right, well thanks, but yes, we

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Speaker 1: are not the official podcast, but we are one that

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Speaker 1: I think has some good points and some good thoughts.

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Speaker 2: And some fun times. We have fun times, we do.

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Speaker 1: Indeed, this is mini series. We are doing it one

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Speaker 1: week after the most recent episode airs, so this is

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Speaker 1: one week after episode six, which is called Kin and

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Speaker 1: there are nine episodes of this series. So the final episode,

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Speaker 1: to our regularly scheduled programming slash my Happy Hours, which

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, are you ready for my wonderful recap?

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Speaker 1: Samantha gives the best recaps. I am so ready.

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Speaker 3: Right so again, because this is an HBO Max show.

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Speaker 3: It's cold, they're here, Why wouldn't I He's like, why

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Speaker 3: don't know, because it only takes one bad faith move,

434
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 3: and if he's takes something from somebody, if he destroy something,

435
00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 3: or if you less you know, those things can really

436
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 3: disrupt sore you. Bringing in someone who has a reputation

437
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,959
Speaker 3: for doing whatever he needs to do to survive versus

438
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,959
Speaker 3: helping a community survive, I would be weary doo.

439
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's not easy to make a place like

440
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:19,199
Speaker 1: this in this apocalypse. And we'll also talk about this

441
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 1: more in the second but like we get kind of

442
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 1: a glimpse of Joel and Tommy's past and it's not pretty.

443
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:28,160
Speaker 1: And I think that she's, you know, heard these conversations

444
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 1: with her husband about what went down, and is just

445
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:38,159
Speaker 1: kind of being cautious with Ellie, like, hey, maybe you know,

446
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:42,680
Speaker 1: just just have questions, just be a little be a

447
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:47,159
Speaker 1: little wary about this. Also, yeah, the Diva cup. I

448
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:52,400
Speaker 1: cannot tell you how many articles I was reading giggling

449
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:56,359
Speaker 1: in my room, your room that I was staying yes

450
00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 1: and about what is a diva cup? Because like CNN

451
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,239
Speaker 1: wrote a whole article like are you confused about what

452
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:06,200
Speaker 1: that item was? Here's what it is?

453
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:08,680
Speaker 2: Wrong gosh.

454
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I love that because you know our listeners

455
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 3: that y'all know exactly what it is. We've talked about

456
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 3: it for years, has been around for years, and yeah,

457
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:17,879
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, that's that it would be the

458
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:21,639
Speaker 3: smart way to go for that type of emergency. And

459
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:23,639
Speaker 3: I'm really glad for the first time we see it

460
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 3: being addressed instead of.

461
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 1: Just being like everything's fine.

462
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 2: Women's bodies don't work like that. Stop it.

463
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:32,120
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. Well, I love that they did it. They

464
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:34,920
Speaker 1: didn't know, like even with the Tampons in episode three,

465
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 1: they didn't a way where Elliott has like no shame

466
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:40,119
Speaker 1: about it, right, you know, She's in front of this

467
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 1: kind of like manly man dude Joel and she's like,

468
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,160
Speaker 1: I found this treasure of Tampon's, Like she doesn't care.

469
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:51,919
Speaker 1: And Craig Mason, who's like the showrunner creator for television,

470
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 1: he said, when the pandemic first started, uh, he like

471
00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 1: called his wife and was like, what do I get? Uh,

472
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 1: Tampon's pass dip, Like what do I do? Because he's

473
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 1: got daughters as well. Uh, And he thought like that

474
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:10,479
Speaker 1: should be more represented and more normalized in something like

475
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,360
Speaker 1: this where it is something she would need, Like it's.

476
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 3: Right, we heart normalizing periods.

477
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:18,920
Speaker 2: Come on.

478
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 1: I love how she like picks it up and it

479
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 1: is like gross, but she's not like really grossed out

480
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:25,400
Speaker 1: by it. She's kind of like, oh.

481
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 3: I mean I think we all did that in the

482
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 3: first time reaction to a divak, I was like, what

483
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 3: is this?

484
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:31,879
Speaker 2: Oh? I don't like, oh.

485
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 4: Wait, you know it's like a right you Oh okay,

486
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 4: that's the reaction you have with the depicut thatt fart

487
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 4: because you don't realize how really well functioning it is.

488
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 1: Right well, it's true. It's just such a like fun

489
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 1: kind of interaction of you know, because it's not like

490
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:56,640
Speaker 1: it's the most fun process at all. But but it's

491
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 1: nice to see a character be like, oh gross, but nice,

492
00:26:59,480 --> 00:26:59,880
Speaker 1: that's good.

493
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 3: I have it.

494
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I also read that they put they made

495
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 1: the font that said menstrual solution on the front of

496
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,199
Speaker 1: it larger so that people could read it.

497
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 2: I love it.

498
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 1: And yeah, coognized and said we do this all the

499
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 1: time and shows with things like guns where we never

500
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 1: explained how to load them or we never explain and

501
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 1: do that. Why do we have to explain what a

502
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 1: deep cup is to people? Which I love? Yeah, okay,

503
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:30,440
Speaker 1: then I'm just going to run through some quick things

504
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 1: and if you've like played the games, are looked up

505
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,159
Speaker 1: spoilers and you'll know what I'm talking about. But if

506
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,919
Speaker 1: you haven't, then just keep it in the back of

507
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 1: your head or forget it.

508
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 3: You can forget it because it doesn't come around it's

509
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 3: not important.

510
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 2: It's just m.

511
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 1: Because there were a lot of Easter eggs in this one.

512
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 1: This was a like Easter egg packed episode. Dina, Oh

513
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 1: my goodness. I was so excited the next day. It

514
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:56,920
Speaker 1: was like this first thing I've said to you, I

515
00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:04,439
Speaker 1: think shimmered a horse the jacket of the hoodie and

516
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 1: then the ranch was sheep. And also Joel saying like,

517
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 1: actually I'd like to be a musician. Yes, because in

518
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 1: the first episode we did, I was like the guitar.

519
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 2: The guitar. Yes, we don't.

520
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 3: I guess we don't have too many flashbacks of him

521
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,160
Speaker 3: happy times. We just have the one of like how

522
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 3: it began, right.

523
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Well this brings us to kind of the

524
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 1: changes they've made with Joel's character in the show, which

525
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,679
Speaker 1: I get why they made them, and I'll have my

526
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: thoughts in the final episode maybe or maybe the next one,

527
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 1: who knows, But they've made him softer. He's a he

528
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 1: is not nearly a soft are as open with his emotions,

529
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 1: which some of you listening you've never played the game,

530
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 1: I'd be.

531
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 2: Like, what we never see him cry no?

532
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 1: And that scene where he's like in front of Tommy

533
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 1: and cry no, never in a million years would have happened.

534
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 2: And we see him have regrets, yes, but never crying.

535
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 1: Yes, and even that when which we'll talk about in

536
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 1: a second because it's like famous, but this they're big

537
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 1: blowout with Ellie and Joel that he's even he's much

538
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 1: harsher in that in the game. But he doesn't that

539
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 1: we see he doesn't have panic attacks in the game.

540
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 1: I will say they do have a really good which

541
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 1: if you don't care about spoilers, we've talked about in

542
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 1: past episodes about the Last of Us. They do have

543
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 1: a really good depiction of trauma in these games. But

544
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: like this whole fear of failure, he's kind of freezing

545
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: up his like fear that his heart will stop. They

546
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 1: don't really explore that and his character he is, I mean,

547
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: like the trauma is always apparent. It's just he deals

548
00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 1: with it in the very cut off way of I

549
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 1: will not befriend you. Child's all right, Like I think

550
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 1: a very sad murder dad, right.

551
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 2: Sad murder dad. I feel like too.

552
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 3: As the relationship developed in the game, you don't really

553
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 3: see that flip as easily it just like you see

554
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 3: the flip in the show we saw the flip. Of course,

555
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 3: it always happens at the most inopportune time. You were

556
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 3: getting too comfortable, audience, This is not going to end well,

557
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 3: and we just saw that with the ending on this episode,

558
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 3: which is what made you cry. But like all of

559
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 3: those things like that, we don't see that. I don't

560
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 3: feel like I built that up in the game. Maybe

561
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 3: it was just because it was I was watching it

562
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 3: as a game, but it didn't feel like that there

563
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 3: was a huge, like big moment. It just kind of

564
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 3: gradually happens, and we don't notice it until like when

565
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 3: he gets protective right right.

566
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 1: So in the game, which if you care about spoilers

567
00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 1: in the game, this isn't much different. But if you

568
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 1: care about them, now the time to go. In the game,

569
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 1: he kind of like Ellie and Joel have their big fight.

570
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 1: She runs away, which he didn't do in the show.

571
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 1: She runs away, Tommy and Joel have to go find her.

572
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 1: They have their whole fight and it's not resolved, and

573
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 1: then Joel just kind of decides like he's just just

574
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: kind of like, Okay, I'll take her. You know what,

575
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: your wife scares me, I'll take her. That's what he says.

576
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 1: But there's not Yeah, there's not that big like moment

577
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 1: or confession from him all. It just sort of happens

578
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 1: something else that I noticed. And we've talked about this

579
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 1: in previous episodes too. They've definitely made it more realistic

580
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 1: in terms of like the affects your body would feel

581
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 1: living in this world and especially as you get older.

582
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 1: And Joel certainly has some internalized ableism, because he was

583
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 1: talking about like, you know, if I had just been

584
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 1: able to hurt this person here, this person but I'm deaf,

585
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 1: if I could have just moved faster, but I'm old,

586
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 1: I'm weak. He says, all I've ever done is fail

587
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: kind of just like really this thing hanging over him

588
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: that he's not good enough to protect this, to protect

589
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 1: this person, and he does. He doesn't do this in

590
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: the game either, but he kind of has a moment

591
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: where he's like, if I fail Ellie, like this is it.

592
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 1: She's like the possible cure for humankind. So this is

593
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 1: a huge deal and I need someone else who is

594
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 1: better than me to take it on, Like he's like

595
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: feeling that weight. You also see a lot of kind

596
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: of the Ghost of Sarah, the Specter of Sarah his

597
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 1: daughter hanging over this whole thing, like there's a flashback

598
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 1: where he thinks it's some of the flashback, but he

599
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: thinks he sees Sarah as an adult with a child

600
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 1: of her own, and it's like, oh, that's what I

601
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 1: could have had. Yeah. You see him kind of lying

602
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 1: about tests when him and Tommy have their confrontation about

603
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: like what Joel did to protect Tommy. Tommy says, life

604
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: stopped for you. It doesn't have to stop from me,

605
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 1: and kind of referencing the watch which stopped and he

606
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: still wears when Sarah got shot and died. You do

607
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 1: have Ellie learning about Sarah for the first time in

608
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: the game. It's a photograph she finds and him just

609
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 1: being totally unwilling to talk to her about it, not

610
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 1: wanting to deal with it. I did think it was

611
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 1: interesting in the kind of you know, behind the scenes

612
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: interview at the end where they were talking about the

613
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 1: differences between how Maria handled the loss of her child Kevin,

614
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 1: and how all handled the loss of Sarah, and also

615
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 1: the similarities of Ellie and Joel and how they handle

616
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 1: loss because Ellie is kind of like, Hey, I'm sorry

617
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 1: for your loss, but I've lost people too, so that's interesting.

618
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 3: Uh.

619
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 1: But yeah, you also did. We did get to this

620
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 1: big Tommy reunion, and one of the things about that

621
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 1: is Joel's been so concerned about you know, Tommy, and

622
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 1: he's like, I gotta go save them, and it turns

623
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: out Tommy's doing well. He's doing like quite well. You

624
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 1: do get some hints at they're very very dark past, uh,

625
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,919
Speaker 1: And there are a couple of like in like more

626
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 1: Easter eggs, like the stealth kill as you were talking

627
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:46,320
Speaker 1: about when he breaks that guy's neck. When Joel breaks

628
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,839
Speaker 1: that guy's neck, that's how you stealth's kill on the game.

629
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: And then also the map trick that they do at

630
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: the beginning.

631
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 2: Oh oh, that's right, I forgot that that scene.

632
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 3: I do remember them being like at the very beginning,

633
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,839
Speaker 3: like she told me, if yours is different, you're dead.

634
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it does happen in the game.

635
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 1: It does, indeed. Uh. And then yes, the come to

636
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 1: Jesus moment. Like throughout this episode, as I said, like

637
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: you see kind of Ellie being like, hey, if she says,

638
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:34,399
Speaker 1: if you're dead, I'm to Joel, and then they have

639
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 1: this huge fight which kind of cracked me up. But

640
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 1: in the post interview thing. They were saying, it's the

641
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 1: most famous scene in the game. I guess, so, I

642
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: mean it stuck with me. Yeah, but it is exactly

643
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 1: almost exactly like you can watch us side by side

644
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 1: like the game, but where Ellie's like essentially like, admit

645
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: you wanted to leave me this whole time. You've wanted

646
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 1: to dish me this whole time, not Sarah like if

647
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 1: you can say anything you want, but you're the only

648
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,359
Speaker 1: one who hasn't left me, and if you do, I'm

649
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 1: just gonna be more afraid. Like, don't say it's better

650
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Speaker 1: for me. I will say, if you get a chance,

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Speaker 1: you should look at the posters and stuff in the

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Speaker 1: room she's in, because it's the room of like a

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Speaker 1: teenage girl before the pandemic, and there's like a like

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Speaker 1: list of hottest boys, like at least posters from things.

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Speaker 1: But in the game you see Ellie constantly confused about

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Speaker 1: things like that where she finds this like modeling poster

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00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 1: and she's like, why did women feel like they had

658
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 1: to be so thin? That doesn't make sense. I would

659
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 1: give anything to have food and not be worried about this.

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00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 1: The vampire romance movies, she doesn't get so that was

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Speaker 1: kind of a fun little nod to that. Well no,

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00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 1: and after the show thing, they cuignized and said, like,

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Speaker 1: you know, Joel makes Ellie feel less afraid, but she

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Speaker 1: makes him feel more afraid because it's something you can

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Speaker 1: lose that he's experienced before. And we also get to

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00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 1: see Ellie's fear of ending up alone, which is her

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00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: greatest fear kind of playing out. I did think it

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00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,240
Speaker 1: was interesting because when Joel's like, you deserve a choice,

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Speaker 1: like I think you'd be better off with Tommy, but

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Speaker 1: if you want to go with me, and she's immediately like, yes,

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Speaker 1: let's go, And that wasn't in the game either. He

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00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: just kind of was like, get all the worse right,

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00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: We're going together. And then yeah, you do get to

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00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: see kind of this montage of them bonding, of him

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00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,280
Speaker 1: teaching her things, of him opening up finally about like, actually,

676
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 1: I'd rather than be a singer if I can be anything.

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00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 1: He even smiled at one point, WHOA. And we're going

678
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 1: to talk about this more in the next episode. But

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00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 1: the inspiration of the entire game is kind of We're

680
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 1: almost at that, and it kind of happens in this mysterious.

681
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Speaker 1: I won't say more, but we'll talk about that in

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00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,919
Speaker 1: the next one, and then we do get to see

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Speaker 1: I'm starting, yeah, starting to think of like the future,

684
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: what could it be like post infection where Joel says,

685
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, once this ranch was sheep and then

686
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 1: actually no, I want to be a musician, and Ellie says,

687
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,240
Speaker 1: I want to be an astronut and she she brings

688
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: up Sally Ride, which was great, and she is super

689
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:25,720
Speaker 1: into into space in the in the game, and Sarah

690
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 1: was also really into that stuff, so there's that. Also,

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00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 1: the sad song that's playing at the end was the

692
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,919
Speaker 1: Depeche Mode song I'm taking a Ride with my best friend.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's called that, but you do know

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00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about from the first episode, But they

695
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 1: did it again and it was Keaigmuizen's daughter and he

696
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 1: was like, I felt like it would be appropriate where

697
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 1: because the lyrics are kind of like, I hope he

698
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 1: never lets me down again, and it's the daughter singing

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00:38:55,600 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 1: it this time, and it's h Also, there was definitely

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00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 1: a nod to Linda Ronstatz A long long time when

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Speaker 1: Tommy Angel were you not If I watched this episode

702
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 1: like eight times, Yes I have. I don't want to

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00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: say I don't think I'm going to go into this

704
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 1: too much in this one, but I do want to

705
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 1: come back to this because I feel like I was

706
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:21,359
Speaker 1: very interested in what would happen in terms of the

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00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:26,919
Speaker 1: fandoms between the gamers and people who hadn't played the game,

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00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 1: who were just watching the show, and I'm I'm starting

709
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: to see it play out. So I do want to

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00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 1: revisit that it was going to be a movie by

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Speaker 1: Sam Ramie. I don't know if I ever said that.

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Speaker 2: That's disturbing.

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00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and Neil Druckman, the creator of the game,

714
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 1: was like, no, no, no no. But I just think

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00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 1: that's interesting given some of the conversations that a're playing

716
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 1: at right now. Also, I've seen a lot of articles

717
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: written about parasocial relationships about this. We are going to

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00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 1: come back and talk about that. It is interesting, but

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Speaker 1: that's for a later time in the meantime up next.

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Speaker 1: If you don't want any spoilers, I'm not gonna spoil it.

721
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 1: But if you don't want to even watch the trailer,

722
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 1: if you're that kind of person, then hop on out.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna see Riley. If you remember from the first episode,

724
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 1: Riley was mentioned mentioned again in the second episode, gonna

725
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Speaker 1: see kind of Ellie's past. We're gonna get more puns.

726
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Speaker 1: I believe that to be true. And we are arriving

727
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 1: at what I think is the scariest point in the game.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it'll be the next episode, but we're

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Speaker 1: getting there, so that's big exciting it.

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Speaker 3: Is, and of course we're just gonna hold our breath

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Speaker 3: and hope that everything turns out.

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Speaker 1: Okay, hmmm, yeah, well it is an apocalypse game, so

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Speaker 1: it I'm.

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Speaker 2: Sure more death. There's definitely more death. Yes, What do

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Speaker 2: you think on the crying scale would be for the

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Speaker 2: next episode? From one to ten?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Boy? Uh? I think it depends. I think if

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Speaker 1: you're I feel like I need to have two scales

739
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 1: because I feel like, if you're a crier like me

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00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 1: who loves the game, I put it at a five

741
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: to six. If you're not, I'd give it a four. Same.

742
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,760
Speaker 1: But it also depends on what they do, because honestly,

743
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 1: like what they did with Bill and Frank wasn't in

744
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 1: the game like that, and it made me sup.

745
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 2: So there's some what's happening there's some flip.

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Speaker 1: There are there are some flips.

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Speaker 3: I know we're coming to an end, but before we do,

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Speaker 3: any would you like to share your favorite punro Will

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Speaker 3: Livingstone's pun book.

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Speaker 1: This isn't my favorite one. I'll get I'll bring the

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00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 1: pun book in next time. But one of my favorite

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00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 1: ones is what did the green grape say to the

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Speaker 1: Purple grape? Breathe you idiot? Perfect that's the top of

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00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 1: my head. Oh my well. Thank you as always to

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00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,359
Speaker 1: everyone going on this journey, whether you've played the game,

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00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,800
Speaker 1: seen the show, none of the above. We are having

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Speaker 1: I'm having a great.

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Speaker 2: Time, so we have a very time.

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Speaker 1: I'm very very excited for the next episode. I'm getting

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Speaker 1: more and more, like just so excited every time. So

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Speaker 1: this has been so fun. If you have any thoughts,

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Speaker 1: any favorite puns, you can send them to us. Our

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Speaker 1: email is a Stephania mom Stuff at iHeartMedia dot com.

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Speaker 1: You can find us on Twitter at mom Stuff podcast,

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Speaker 1: or on Instagram and TikTok, where you can see me

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Speaker 1: cry about the last of us. That's Stephmon never told you.

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Speaker 1: We're also on YouTube now if that's your thing. Thanks

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Speaker 1: as always, your super producer, Chris. Thank you and thanks

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Speaker 1: to you for listening stuff Never Told you sproplection of

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