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Speaker 1: Well, I invited you here, thought I made myself perfectly clear.

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Speaker 1: But you're a guess to my home. You gotta come

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Speaker 1: to be empty, and I said, no, guests, your presence

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Speaker 1: how did you dare to surbey me?

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Speaker 2: Welcome to? I said, no gifts. I'm Bridger Wineger. Over

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Speaker 2: the last couple of days been lifting a fair amount

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Speaker 2: want to dedicate this to anyone that is currently lifting

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Speaker 2: objects or has that in their future. Eventually you're going

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Speaker 2: to have to you'll be able to stop lifting those

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Speaker 2: objects and you'll feel great. I feel wonderful now it's

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Speaker 2: in my past. Also, was in the restroom a few

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Speaker 2: moments ago and saw a pair of clogs. I don't

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Speaker 2: know who those belong to, but I hope the barefooted

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Speaker 2: person eventually gets back into that restroom and gets some footwear. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: I'm very excited about today's guest, A very very funny man,

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Speaker 2: a comedian, an actor, just an all around funny person.

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Speaker 2: Lengthston Kerman. Yeah, Lengthston, welcome to. I said no gifts.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: I'm so excited to have you. I mean, we're just

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Speaker 2: going to get right into something that we need to

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Speaker 2: talk about. Okay, this morning I got on Twitter. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know, any mental health proff she will say, first

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Speaker 2: thing in the morning, to dig into that before you

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Speaker 3: Dive, go into the psychosis.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's just the place you need to be first thing.

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Speaker 2: And so that's what I was doing. And uh, I

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Speaker 2: saw you had tweeted about something.

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Speaker 3: Mm hmmm.

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Speaker 2: I didn't like the tweet because I wanted to blindside

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Speaker 2: you with this. Sure, you're tweeting about tutsi rolls at

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Speaker 2: eight o five am. Were you eating a totsi roll?

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Speaker 2: What was happening?

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Speaker 3: I was not eating a tutsi roll my my wife.

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Speaker 3: It's her favorite candy. Oh okay, well, like and this

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Speaker 3: is I agree. Yeah, she's a wrong a wrong choice. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: her absolute favorite. Like she would weigh it against any Wow,

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Speaker 3: this is shocking one. Yeah. No, I'm upset.

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Speaker 2: Totsi roll is always just like you're eating. You're like, oh,

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Speaker 2: I guess I could have been eating other candy right now.

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Speaker 2: Right now, I'm chewing on it like a sweet piece

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Speaker 3: It's the last option for everybody, for every child who

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Speaker 2: I will say there was like one worse option was

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Speaker 2: black calickorice flavored taffy. Sure, which, but that's just an

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Speaker 2: active aggression by you.

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Speaker 3: Take that as a personal attack, plan your revenge. That's

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Speaker 3: a different conversation. But a TOTSI role is someone who

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Speaker 3: respects you in theory. Yes, that then did something harmful

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Speaker 2: Yes, they meant good and just really screwed you over.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, And you have to say thank you for what?

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Speaker 2: Thank you for burdening me with this thing. I won't

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Speaker 2: I'm true.

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Speaker 3: I guess I can use this as insulation in my home.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what to do with it.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so wait, you're what it's her favorite care Absolutely

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Speaker 2: Wow, is she like regular sized twit? Zero, because there

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Speaker 2: It's it's a different that's a real red flag. Exactly

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Speaker 3: Chocolate chocolate in the way that Adam Driver is handsome

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Speaker 2: It's the same cover as chocolate.

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: Exactly TOTSI rolls. And then there's of course, like the

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Speaker 3: Now those are fantastic.

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Speaker 2: The lime, I'm eating a lime and I'm enjoying myself.

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Speaker 3: I'm not mad at any of them.

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Speaker 3: Listen, if my wife told me that fruities were her

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Speaker 2: Things would be much much happier. No, but then there's

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Speaker 2: Well, I brought you on as the that's we had

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Speaker 3: I shouldn't have put it in my CV, but here

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Speaker 2: Them somebody fire.

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Speaker 3: What I'm scared of is that they might have started

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And then that actually worked out And that's the

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Speaker 2: totsy world that should be sold in you know, big bags.

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Speaker 2: But that's like a rare thing. You're fine, yeah.

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Speaker 3: They'd be under so I guess this is Chicago's I

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Speaker 2: And then third category yeah, fruity.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, let's read the option. And you know, if you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because I couldn't tell you where to buy a

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Speaker 3: A person who sells wigs and fruities is the only

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Speaker 2: Do you have any fruities in your home right now?

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Speaker 3: I don't have any fruities in my home, Okay, just

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Speaker 3: the remnants of like Halloween TOTSI rolls and a weird

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Speaker 2: And you don't have kids, right, we don't have kids.

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Speaker 2: There's something going on in your house.

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Speaker 3: It's like, but we're trying to lure those kids in. No,

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Speaker 2: Nobody wanted that. Nobody were the other options.

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Speaker 3: We had a bunch of sour patch kids, sure had Uh,

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Speaker 2: Not my vote, the compromise of marriage.

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Speaker 3: Yes, we had nerds.

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Speaker 3: pep like sour Yeah, not canceled at all, yeah at all. Uh. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And then people saw pixie sticks and they're like,

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Speaker 3: I thought I thought that they would trigger a nostalgia

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Speaker 2: It's truly, there's no disguising the fact that you're literally

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Speaker 3: And I think after certain age you need the illusion.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, you need something like I'm getting the exercise

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Speaker 3: Exactly or like this, maybe there's something held nugget. I

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Speaker 2: Of course, it was like calcium, Yeah, potassium or something's happened.

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Speaker 3: There's nothing, uh potassium based in pixies.

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Speaker 2: No, absolutely not. Do you remember those pixie sticks that

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Speaker 2: I would eat I would buy one of those and

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Speaker 3: Those? And there used to be something I don't know

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Speaker 2: Oh of course was this. This is the liquorice that

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Speaker 3: The lickory was like three feet long. It was a

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Speaker 2: Now, the young human body is a miracle, is just

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Speaker 3: It just might be convincing us that we're moving on.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and it's also just allowing you to learn horrible behavior. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: kind of ingrain it within yourself and then in your thirties.

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Speaker 3: There's this, there's this wrapper Vince Staples. Sure it's very

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Speaker 2: Yes, he's got like a show.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, maybe that sounds right. He's he's an interesting

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but he talked about in an interview how like

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Speaker 2: And we yeah, totally. I'm sure like most of the

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Speaker 2: made horrible choices.

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Speaker 3: Just giant pixies. Thing catching up to you.

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Speaker 2: Something about Vince Staples I learned recently, and this is

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Speaker 2: just the more you get older, he's like in his twenties. Yes,

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, like pop stars and rappers are young people.

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Speaker 2: they're all older than man. Is that Cardi B Is

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Speaker 2: like a young person? Yeah, I'm like all of them

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Speaker 3: The instructing us on love and heartbreak. Yeah, they're idiots.

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Speaker 2: And okay, and do you do you write poetry?

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Speaker 3: I do? I have a master's in poets.

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Speaker 3: I think it's hard to imagine the point where I'm

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Speaker 3: I mean we're I think we're all doing the same thing,

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Speaker 2: Everything I do. I'm trying to add that layer of sex.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: Well, I need to know.

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Speaker 3: I was reading. I went on my honeymoon. I was

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Speaker 3: Yes, but it was a long time before then. Yeah.

442
00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,080
Speaker 3: Right now, I'm at a cool checkpoint where I could

443
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,520
Speaker 3: be like, yeah, I was reading recently, but well you

444
00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:58,760
Speaker 3: asked me before then, It's been a while.

445
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:02,080
Speaker 2: After TOTSI rolls, destroy your marriage, you'll remarry, go on

446
00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,720
Speaker 2: another honeymoon, I get to read another book.

447
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,680
Speaker 3: I'll read a book about how to build myself back up, yeah,

448
00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:12,159
Speaker 3: and make better choices with women. And then I'll what

449
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 3: were you reading? It's this book called The Grid of It.

450
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:22,920
Speaker 3: I can't remember the author's name. It's hard to pronounce.

451
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:28,320
Speaker 3: But it's sort of this weird book about the where

452
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:32,720
Speaker 3: she it's a book about ghosts or a ghost story book.

453
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 3: But it also is deeply intertwined with the breaking of

454
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 3: a marriage, and so it sort of is this weird

455
00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 3: thing of whether or not this house is haunting them

456
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:47,719
Speaker 3: or their own sort of like fucked up relationship is

457
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,920
Speaker 3: the thing that's creating these problems. This is around them.

458
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:52,119
Speaker 2: Gorgeous honeymoon reading.

459
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 3: Oh, it makes your wife feel beautiful.

460
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:56,440
Speaker 2: You are reading it aloud?

461
00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:00,440
Speaker 3: Listen to this, sweetheart, Hey, look out, miser well, this

462
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:01,200
Speaker 3: guy is.

463
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 2: Well. This is a very pro reading podcast. I just

464
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 2: I want people to read books. Read something. It's just

465
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 2: longer than two sentences on your phone. I don't know.

466
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 2: I just it's a very easy thing to do. Sure,

467
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:22,639
Speaker 2: I don't know. I've discovered recently. Are you familiar with Goodreads?

468
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:25,880
Speaker 2: I've only heard of good Reading.

469
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 3: I think it's familiar.

470
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,119
Speaker 2: It's just like, I mean, it's people reviewing books, but

471
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 2: people who don't necessarily who know how to read yelp. Yeah.

472
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,119
Speaker 2: I mean like if something has four stars on it's like,

473
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 2: oh no, that book was bad and it was easy

474
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 2: to read and like some mystery that people made. Yes,

475
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 2: I was able to read this. So you have to

476
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,880
Speaker 2: look for like books that are like on the in between,

477
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 2: like a low three is probably an actually good where

478
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 2: it's like, oh yeah, people like that. There was a

479
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 2: culling of dummies, and people who made it through the

480
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 2: book actually knew what they were doing.

481
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 3: So you're a pretty avid reader.

482
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:07,439
Speaker 2: I try to be. I enjoy it, and I just

483
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 2: feel like it's an easy thing that like a lot

484
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 2: of people are letting go up. Yeah, it's like we

485
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 2: should value this.

486
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:16,159
Speaker 3: What kind of reading are you most attracted to?

487
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 2: Mostly fiction? I try to dash a few on fiction

488
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:27,200
Speaker 2: books in every year, but largely fiction. It's but it's

489
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 2: all over the place, and I don't know who going

490
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 2: back to good Reads, Like I never know who to

491
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,359
Speaker 2: turn to for book recommendations anymore. I don't have a

492
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 2: good I don't know a good critic or any of this.

493
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,120
Speaker 2: So it's just like truly shooting in the dark, and like.

494
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's I mean, that's the scariest thing with Like

495
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 3: going to a bookstore is like all right, When I

496
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 3: was a kid, I was going mostly based on the

497
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:49,120
Speaker 3: covers zone.

498
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:50,919
Speaker 2: Oh of course, I may think so much easier.

499
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 3: And now I'm an adult and I almost know that

500
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,159
Speaker 3: the covers should not be making the decision. Yeah, but

501
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 3: I don't know how to do it without that cover.

502
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 3: So what are we doing?

503
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 2: Yeah? I had a college professor that said there was

504
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 2: no such thing as a good reader, only a good rereader.

505
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 2: So my new goal isn't Maybe I'm going to go

506
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 2: back and like find books that I enjoyed and just

507
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 2: reread those. That'll make things so much easier. Yeah, because

508
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 2: when I finish a book, I fly into a panic

509
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:19,679
Speaker 2: like I've got to find another book to read, and

510
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 2: there's and then I usually make a bad decision.

511
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,879
Speaker 3: Well, I will say that like when I was teaching,

512
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,680
Speaker 3: more often than not, I enjoyed the book a lot

513
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,680
Speaker 3: more when I was going back through it with the kids.

514
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,120
Speaker 2: Oh interesting, much.

515
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 3: More than I did when I had to do it

516
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,120
Speaker 3: simp like completely on my own.

517
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:41,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally.

518
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:45,159
Speaker 3: And some of that is just the discussion around seeing

519
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 3: other perspectives on it exactly, Like I think that there's

520
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 3: there's almost like something encouraging hearing, like, okay, we get

521
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,200
Speaker 3: to like if I was in a book club, I'd

522
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:57,880
Speaker 3: be I think I'd have a great time.

523
00:26:57,960 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, of course.

524
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 3: But then it's also like I don't know everybody's taste,

525
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 3: and so you join a book club and it becomes

526
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 3: like this thing where they want to read a bunch

527
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,120
Speaker 3: of like nonfiction, and I don't give a non fiction,

528
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 3: and so like if there's no ghost or like weird stabbings.

529
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 2: Yeah I need some that's not happening in my actual life.

530
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:18,640
Speaker 3: Back in the book.

531
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,919
Speaker 2: You don't want to derail our book conversation. But I

532
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 2: did notice when you came in you were holding something.

533
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:37,439
Speaker 2: This podcast obviously everybody knows is I said, no gift,

534
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:43,400
Speaker 2: and here comes Lengthston down the hall holding a bag.

535
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 3: A bag. I mean, that's one way of phrasing it.

536
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 2: Let's just let's be honest. You did not wrap the gift.

537
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 3: I didn't wrap the gift.

538
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 2: The gift came in a leather backpack, which belongs.

539
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 3: To you, which I don't plan on giving you now.

540
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, you're not leaving the studio until I own a

541
00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:01,360
Speaker 2: leather backpack. So I, uhody.

542
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:04,159
Speaker 3: Open up the Cole's website. Let's get this man a

543
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 3: leather backpack.

544
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:08,919
Speaker 2: But I guess we should see what you brought me.

545
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm so excited, and it doesn't, in fact derailar conversation.

546
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 3: It only adds to it.

547
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 2: Oh, you're kidding. It's a book, Oh my god, Book

548
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 2: Unexpected Love, Seasons of Redemption. This is by three, Book three.

549
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 2: I've sorry read the first two that's on my other

550
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 2: love podcast, Sure written by Andrea. Do you know how

551
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 2: to pronounce this?

552
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 4: I do not.

553
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 2: I'm assuming bouchark b o E s h A A R.

554
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 2: It has like a like a Dutch looking woman on

555
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 2: the front or kind of looks like a a pilgrim

556
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 2: or something holding two roses. Book three. I'm let's I'm

557
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 2: just going to do a quick survey of this.

558
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 3: The back of the back's exciting. I really enjoyed. That's

559
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 3: what sold me.

560
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 2: One of my favorite things in the world is reading

561
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 2: the backs of books. The language used to try to

562
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 2: sell books. It's so funny.

563
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 3: It's always it's funny because it's you can tell the

564
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 3: author was involved, but not as much as.

565
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 2: They would like to yeah, to the point that they're like, oh,

566
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 2: I regret that now, mad right. I will frequently, like

567
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 2: one of my favorite things, if I'm in a grocery store,

568
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 2: I'll find those like the terrible novels being sold at

569
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 2: a grocery store and just read the back someone, because

570
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 2: it's like the back of a Tom Clancy novel is psychotic.

571
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 2: It's always the most the weird. His wife is dead, yes,

572
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 2: top secret Nurse loent Lorena, Lorena Loraina, I believe. Yeah.

573
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 2: Nurse Loraina Fields is drawn to a blind patient searching

574
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 2: for his past, but as his memories return, will there

575
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 2: be a place for her in his future? Now let's say,

576
00:29:57,960 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 2: let me just read this real quick.

577
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 3: See it's all very exciting because that Dutch woman is

578
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 3: actually based in Chicago, and the blind man, he's just

579
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 3: a guy who got lost on Lake Michigan. Is very exciting.

580
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 2: That's this is a perfect example of this sort of thing.

581
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 2: His regained site will reveal a secret about herself that

582
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 2: raina wait, is there another character? What are we talking about?

583
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 2: He learned that she has a nickname on the back

584
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 2: of this book. They couldn't stick with Lorena Summer. We've

585
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 2: said it too many. She's like family to you. That's

586
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 2: his regained sight will reveal a secret about herself that

587
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 2: Reina has been trying hard to hide. So she's going

588
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:53,479
Speaker 2: to learn he's going to learn who knows? Uh, and

589
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 2: this is the third book, I mean the stuff that's

590
00:30:56,280 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 2: been going on. Oh and I'm also learning the author

591
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 2: of the book is a certified Christian life coach, which

592
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 2: go on out of an author. Yeah, if somebody's going

593
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,239
Speaker 2: to write a book that I'm going to read, I

594
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 2: need to know that they are not only a life

595
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 2: coach but also deeply religious.

596
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 3: Make sure, I mean, you don't want any of those

597
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 3: other messier religions.

598
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 2: No, of course, you need a nice, clean cut Christian

599
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 2: writing your bizarre romance. I mean, her resume before it

600
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 2: says that she writes novels is like fifty jobs long.

601
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 2: This person should not be writing on them.

602
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 3: No, she's got a lot of work to do in

603
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 3: other spaces.

604
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 2: Where did you get this?

605
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 3: I got it from the ninety ninth sense to that.

606
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,479
Speaker 2: Is the library we should all be visiting.

607
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 3: You know what's funny is it's literally the only book

608
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 3: they sell. So wait, so there was just stacks of this.

609
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 3: There were four copies of it, and there were no

610
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 3: other books. The rest of them were all coloring books,

611
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 3: and weird, this is essentially a coloring book. Yeah, it

612
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 3: was that in Nascar holograms. Oh, I said to.

613
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 2: Myself, already owned the whole hologram.

614
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 3: I knew that about you, and I know we're just

615
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 3: meeting for the first time. But I said to myself, No, Bridger.

616
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 2: Knows nailed this in every way. I mean, wow, I'm

617
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 2: so excited to read this. I actually, at a couple

618
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 2: of jobs ago, my friend Bestcalvin I began writing a

619
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 2: romance novel called Seasons of Desire. Oh, that's beautiful, and

620
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 2: it was the I've talked about this on this show

621
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 2: with Bess. But the promise was going to be someone

622
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 2: was going to have sex on every page.

623
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 3: Nice.

624
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 2: The front cover is just going to guarantee the one

625
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 2: thing you are, your favorite character, your Lorena, will be

626
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 2: making love every single page.

627
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 3: Can I Oh, it's it's your main character making love.

628
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 2: This person's all over the place.

629
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 4: Wow.

630
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 3: So they're just like a urinary tract infection.

631
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there's all the way. That's kind of the

632
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 2: battle that she's fighting. She's gonna like just come to

633
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 2: a climax at one point, damaged.

634
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 3: Does she get cranberry juice because she I mean, it

635
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 3: takes place in New England, so she's gonna.

636
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 2: Go to a bog. She's gonna squeeze her own juice,

637
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 2: and she's.

638
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 3: Gonna take somebody's gonna squeeze her juice every page, every

639
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 3: single page, even when she's drinking the cranberry juice.

640
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 2: She's getting it. You know this lady is she loves

641
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 2: to just do it. So this will be good research

642
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 2: if nothing else. What's the worst book you've ever read?

643
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 3: The worst book I've ever read?

644
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 2: Do you finish books when you hate them?

645
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 3: I don't.

646
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 2: You're somebody who can give it up.

647
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 3: I will quit immediately.

648
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 2: Oh I'm so jealous of it.

649
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 3: And there are books that, like I've been told are

650
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 3: fantastic that I get a few pages in Clockwork Orange

651
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 3: was like.

652
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 2: Oh, sure that's not for everybody. No cup of tea.

653
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 3: I got like ten pages in. I was like, hey, bro,

654
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 3: if y'all are gonna speak regular English, I'm not. I'm

655
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 3: not gonna pretend that this is enjoyable for me. I

656
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 3: will move the fuck on.

657
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 2: Had you seen the movie prior to reading it?

658
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,800
Speaker 3: I had not. I just I mean, you hear it's

659
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 3: like this. It's hailed as like one of the most

660
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 3: classic pieces of literature of all time, and you know

661
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 3: it was one of those things where I think my

662
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 3: counterpart at the high school I was teaching at was

663
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 3: teaching her group, so like I took a certain half

664
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 3: of the eleventh and twelfth graders and she took the

665
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 3: other half, and I think she was teaching a clockwork

666
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 3: orange for that other half. And so I was like,

667
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 3: I've never read it. I'm gonna like steal one of

668
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 3: the books and read it now. Sure, And then I

669
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 3: made it, you know, ten pages, and I was like,

670
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 3: oh no, this is for the kids.

671
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 2: Good. And then you told your half they would be

672
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 2: reading Unexpected Love.

673
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly one and through Okay, sure, we gotta make

674
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 3: it through this series.

675
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 2: I feel like, I don't think this is the end

676
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 2: of the series. I have to believe that this goes

677
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 2: to Book.

678
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 3: Twelve would have said the finale, Yeah, the very end

679
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,800
Speaker 3: Unexpected Love, the very end, Seasons of Redemption.

680
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 2: So you are able to give up a book, I like,

681
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 2: I'm learning slowly that it's okay to be like, oh yeah,

682
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 2: I just don't enjoy reading this and that's fine. What

683
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 2: is it that makes you not want to give it up?

684
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 2: I feel like I don't know. I need to have

685
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 2: the whole picture I'm like, well, maybe I make it

686
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 2: to the end and all of this nonsense I've been

687
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 2: through will finally feel rewarding. Yeah, but that's happened enough

688
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,800
Speaker 2: now that I mean, it's happened enough that it doesn't

689
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 2: feel rewarding. I'm like, oh, yeah, maybe.

690
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 3: Sometimes I say, how often does it ever pay off?

691
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 3: For your question?

692
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 2: Probably never? Yeah, the something I tried reading recently, I like,

693
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 2: every once in a while, I'll be like, oh, wouldn't

694
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 2: it be fun to read like a fantasy novel, like

695
00:35:55,480 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 2: just a fun thing that fails almost every time, especially

696
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 2: where there's like they're like building out a world or whatever,

697
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 2: and I'm right, oh, I should just maybe I should

698
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,439
Speaker 2: just be reading a history book learning actual facts.

699
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 3: We have real world stuff already.

700
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. They're like, there's some really intense fantasy novels that

701
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:17,800
Speaker 2: are like the person has created a dictionary, right like

702
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 2: fifty pages, and I'm like, oh, I don't know what

703
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 2: I'm doing with my time. I cannot use this knowledge

704
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 2: in any space.

705
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 3: I mean, that's what's essentially happening to what's her name

706
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 3: from the Harry Potter series?

707
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 2: Right, Oh, yeah, of course I have never said her

708
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 2: name out loud. Jk Rowywing I believe is Yes.

709
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 3: Anyway, I think she just built out this world and

710
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 3: like doesn't want to go learn regular history, so she's

711
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 3: just going to keep making up and you.

712
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 2: Can't leave it alone. It's so bizarre to watch. But yeah,

713
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 2: that is a weird thing. It's like you're like richer

714
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 2: than the Queen of England. Yeah, you've wrote all these

715
00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 2: books just like right it used to do ecstasy.

716
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 3: In your car?

717
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, talk about.

718
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 1: That, dude.

719
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to hear more. Talk about that.

720
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 3: Time where you were homeless and the only salt in

721
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,320
Speaker 3: your head, the only solution to your bad feelings was

722
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 3: doing ecstasy alone in your car. That seems like a

723
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 3: pretty good story. Yeah, you've got theme parks. Now let's

724
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 3: go back to the bank just being on drugs car

725
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 3: Ja and to maybe the you. Let's let's figure out

726
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 3: what that Jay in that case stand for.

727
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:35,240
Speaker 2: Judy Coody, Judy Coody, I wonder what that is, Stephen,

728
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 2: do you have any idea what that is? Joanne for

729
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 2: that Christine Joanne Kevin Killer, Joanne Killer, Joanne Killer rally.

730
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,760
Speaker 2: It's funny, Kawhi, Yeah, it's funny.

731
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 3: Your take on books is very similar to what I

732
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 3: can in books immediately I can't with television.

733
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 2: Oh, you're stuck on a show, like I will finish it.

734
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 2: What are some examples of this that, Like you were

735
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 2: watching a show and not enjoying it, but I.

736
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,479
Speaker 3: Didn't like Dexter after like season two.

737
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 2: Oh, I feel like that's like common, right, Yeah, that

738
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 2: show immediately went insane, it went really.

739
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 3: Wild and bad, and I wooh boy, went all the

740
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 3: way to the end. There's like almost every show that

741
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 3: I've watched, I've watched until the very end of it.

742
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,720
Speaker 2: I think it's like, I think that's kind of common

743
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 2: because like the first season of a show will usually

744
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 2: be good, yeah, and then they get you emotionally on

745
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 2: some level. You're invested and you're like, well, I'm just

746
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 2: now trapped. I want to see what happens to these characters, right,

747
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 2: I imagine that's what happened with Dexter, where it's like it's.

748
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 3: That And I think I also have a fascination with

749
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 3: the artists, Like there's there's a part of there's so

750
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 3: many artists involved in making a television ship, right, Like

751
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 3: the actors, the writers, the directors.

752
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,760
Speaker 2: You've got the makeup people, yeah, exactly, the production assistant

753
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 2: giving their own little touch.

754
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 3: And I like the idea of seeing the crack in

755
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 3: their armor, where like, at a certain point you see

756
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:18,280
Speaker 3: the actor know that they're saying something stupid out loud,

757
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 3: and I want to see it. I want you to

758
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:23,240
Speaker 3: admit that you made a mistake.

759
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,720
Speaker 2: You've made a horrible bargain with the devil.

760
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 3: Deal with you sign a contract that requires you to

761
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 3: be here for seven years so long as this show continues.

762
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 3: So great, let me see how much seven years breaks

763
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 3: your spirit.

764
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 2: It's beautiful.

765
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 3: I want to I want to know how this goes

766
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 3: to the end.

767
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 2: What happened with Dexter, Like, I mean, what what? What

768
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 2: was so horrible about the show? I mean, you know

769
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 2: the premise, yeah, kill kill.

770
00:39:55,480 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 3: Serial killers, and I think at some point they continue

771
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 3: you to sort of create enemies for him, who started

772
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 3: to figure out who he was in his world, and

773
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 3: it became much more of every episode is like high

774
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 3: jinks to hide his truth from people around him, and

775
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 3: then becomes a varse Yeah, but then people around him

776
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:22,280
Speaker 3: started to know it and then like manipulate him to

777
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 3: kill people they preferred. Oh wow. And then at one

778
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 3: point he had a sexual affair with his sister who

779
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 3: was oh technically his sister, but then they found out

780
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 3: was his sister in.

781
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 2: Fact, like later on they like rewrote it basically to

782
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 2: be like just kidding. You went through it once and

783
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 2: I think about it again, and this time it's real.

784
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 3: It's just and I could be wrong, but it just

785
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 3: became like these weird like inner in you know, just

786
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 3: layering of like, oh, we ran out of story a

787
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,879
Speaker 3: while ago, so let's just make some shit up.

788
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 2: That's something that I hope that people in TV or learning,

789
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 2: which I feel like the British have learned, where it's

790
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 2: just like, oh you can you can only do this

791
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,760
Speaker 2: for two seasons. If that's the story you've got, that's okay,

792
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 2: you can just end it.

793
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 3: I just started. Sherlock Holmes, uh huh. They do three

794
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 3: episodes this season.

795
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 2: Perfect, nice, Jane, you commit some quality to it.

796
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 3: You do They do like an hour and a half episode,

797
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:26,720
Speaker 3: So they just treat every episode like it's an independent film. Sure,

798
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 3: and they just won three episodes of it. That's fantastic.

799
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,359
Speaker 3: Although I don't want to split. I haven't watched the show,

800
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 3: but I spoiled this for you. I've heard horrible things

801
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 3: about later seasons. Oh, I'm sure it's terrible, but you're committed,

802
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 3: so it doesn't matter. I'll figure it out. But I

803
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 3: like the idea that you're just like, Nope, this is

804
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 3: we're just going to cover. We know how far our

805
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 3: imagination can stretch.

806
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 2: We have a beginning and an end. Let's get there.

807
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,320
Speaker 2: Let's get that then we'll stop, rather than just beating

808
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,479
Speaker 2: it into the ground and making people beg them And.

809
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 3: Really, with three episodes of season, you have a beginning,

810
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 3: you have an end. You can make nonsense episode right

811
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 3: in the middle of it.

812
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: Just on.

813
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:06,800
Speaker 3: This is Sherlock Holmes going to the DMV.

814
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 2: Let's watch him to his laundry, right, let's watch him

815
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 2: go on a first date or something.

816
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, Breaking Bad I think is my favorite show.

817
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 2: Wonderful.

818
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,439
Speaker 3: Part of the genius of it was like it's one

819
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 3: of the few things that like has ever hit television

820
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 3: where they knew exactly what the ending was.

821
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, where like felt like we're headed towards a goal.

822
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:29,439
Speaker 3: They had a goal in mind.

823
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 2: He's got an expiration dates and it's like he's gonna

824
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 2: die on some level.

825
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 3: Exactly, Whereas like a Game of Thrones was oh boy,

826
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 3: the books are gone. You don't know what we're doing.

827
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 3: That old guy won't answer our phone calls. Let's just

828
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 3: make it up.

829
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. Game of Thrones is like a good example of

830
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 2: a show that I just stuck with till the end. Sure,

831
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 2: despite knowing, oh, this is just off the rails at

832
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:57,720
Speaker 2: this point, I'm not going to be happy with whatever happened.

833
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:00,840
Speaker 3: By the time you hit season seven, you are furious.

834
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's just like why am I still watching this?

835
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 3: Yeah? But then it's like, but they were so good.

836
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 3: He has a few years ago. They have to be

837
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 3: able to figure.

838
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 2: Out to lend this thing. But like even those I

839
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 2: read those books, and like after book three it was

840
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 2: like clear that George R. R. Martin, like he had

841
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 2: three books of story and then for whatever reason they

842
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 2: were probably popular. He keeps going. And obviously that guy,

843
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 2: he obviously does not know how this is going to end.

844
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 2: Otherwise he would have published the books, didn't.

845
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 3: I think he came out into some article where he said,

846
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:35,280
Speaker 3: I want to thank the show for helping me really

847
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,320
Speaker 3: figure out why.

848
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 2: That's not a good sign because everyone hated how that ended.

849
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 3: But it's either a terrible sign for his intuition, meaning

850
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 3: that he's going to follow the trajectory of the show

851
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 3: or he's shitting on the show. I was like, that's

852
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 3: not how ill now I know what everybody hated, and

853
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 3: I'll just do something complete for letting me right, Okay,

854
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 3: that's not the ending people want it. Yeah, I think

855
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 3: he Yeah, I don't. I think he has no clue.

856
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 3: I think even like the amount of detail he puts

857
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 3: in the books mostly him just trying to fill the pages.

858
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's like a dick In style thing where

859
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 2: it's just like I'm getting paid by the word. So

860
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 2: let's do this for seven hundred pages.

861
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 3: I'll describe the meat in their mouth.

862
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 2: Yeah. People really enjoy the feast, and they'll forget that

863
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 2: there should be a decent plot line here. Yeah. Well,

864
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 2: I feel like we're at the point of the podcast

865
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:34,959
Speaker 2: where we should play a game.

866
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 3: Let's do it. Let's see of a good game.

867
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 2: The game we're going to play is called Gift or

868
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 2: a Curse. So basically, I'm gonna name three things, okay,

869
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 2: and you're just going to tell me if there are

870
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 2: a gift or a curse.

871
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:49,919
Speaker 3: Each individual thing.

872
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 2: Yes, So we'll go through one by one. But from

873
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:55,720
Speaker 2: what I what I need from you is a number

874
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 2: between one and.

875
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 3: Ten of scale on gift or curse.

876
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:01,839
Speaker 2: No, just give me a number right now. Oh, right now,

877
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 2: because I'm going to pick these randomly. And yeah, so

878
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,359
Speaker 2: give me a five. Five. It's a good number.

879
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:09,720
Speaker 3: It was my number in high school.

880
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 2: You're a basketball Oh you're a basketball.

881
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, basketball player. I was pretty good. I I wouldn't.

882
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 3: I can't do anything now, but at a time I

883
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:22,280
Speaker 3: used to be a I played as a practice player

884
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 3: for the women's basketball team colleague beautiful. Yeah, I've been

885
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 3: pretty woke my whole life.

886
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 2: Wow, you were really ahead of the game.

887
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 3: Yeah no, but that I went to a D one school.

888
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 3: We were playing against very talented women's that's great.

889
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 2: So you're, I mean, not a bad player.

890
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 3: I wasn't a bad player. I was not anything worth bragging.

891
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 2: You're really balancing the scales there because I'm may be

892
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 2: the worst basketball player on the planet. I was sure

893
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 2: on a little league team for years and did not

894
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 2: score a point.

895
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,839
Speaker 3: Okay, never once in a real game, not.

896
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 2: A single time. Wow, my parents should have pulled me. Yeah,

897
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 2: did not go calculate this while I'm doing this, I

898
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 2: want you to just you can promote something, you can

899
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:08,240
Speaker 2: tell people something about yourself, whatever you want. The time

900
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 2: you have is you have no idea because I've got Yeah.

901
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,320
Speaker 3: I love this. I just get to talk. This is great.

902
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 3: My name's Langston. I have a Twitter. It's at Langston Kerrman.

903
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 3: It's also my Instagram. And I have an album and

904
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 3: that's on all of the places where you buy music

905
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,439
Speaker 3: and listen to the things. And it's called Light Skin

906
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:34,760
Speaker 3: Feelings and it's me telling jokes and it's pretty funny.

907
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,320
Speaker 3: It got some warm reception.

908
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,839
Speaker 2: At a time Lengthston, your time is up. I will

909
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:43,240
Speaker 2: say Light Skin Feelings is a very good album.

910
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 3: Thank you.

911
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 2: I don't know how people find albums anymore me neither.

912
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,359
Speaker 2: Seek it out. Sure, seek it out, try to pay

913
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 2: money for it. I don't care if you pay it. Okay,

914
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter that.

915
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 3: Just listen to it and tell your friends to also

916
00:46:55,520 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 3: listen to it. Apparently that's more valuable than money nowadays.

917
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 3: That's what they're That's what all these companies keep telling me.

918
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 2: Yes, you want to raise this man's clout, make me

919
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 2: popular on the internet. Yes, that's valuable. Okay, we're getting

920
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 2: into the game here. Number one thing. I want you

921
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 2: to tell me if you think the following is a

922
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:20,240
Speaker 2: gift or a curse, and they'll tell me why. Small

923
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:24,399
Speaker 2: plates small plates at restaurants, you know, at small plate

924
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 2: restaurants that.

925
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:30,399
Speaker 3: Sort of tappas if you will. Yes, I believe that

926
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 3: small plates are a curse. I do not support small plates.

927
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 3: I think that it is just an excuse for people

928
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 3: to order a lot more than they otherwise would have ordered,

929
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 3: and paid for a lot more things than they otherwise

930
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 3: would have paid for. And basically it makes you have

931
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 3: to sit through an explanation of the way that restaurants

932
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 3: work in a way that you did not need to

933
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 3: sit through the explanation because we've all been going to

934
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 3: restaurants our entire small.

935
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 2: Plates curse Lengthen, yeah, just nailed it. I mean you're

936
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 2: absolutely correct on this and there are correct end in

937
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 2: correct answers. Okay, So I just want you to be

938
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 2: aware that he's good to know afterwards fail. I didn't

939
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 2: want to put too much pressure on you, but I

940
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 2: absolutely agree small plates are a curse for all of

941
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 2: those reasons. Also, I need to know. I just need

942
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 2: one plate of food in front of me, so I

943
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 2: know what I'm eating when the fifty plates, I have

944
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 2: no idea what I put in my body. I could

945
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 2: eat all of them and not realize that I've eaten

946
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 2: seven meals.

947
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 3: Why do I need octopus and olives? Yes, that's not

948
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 3: a good mix.

949
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 2: Also, I know I'm going to find something that I

950
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 2: really like, and then they're gonna be like nine things

951
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 2: that I kind of like. And why can't I just

952
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 2: eat all of the thing I like?

953
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:50,479
Speaker 3: Yeah? And the thing is with small plates, we all

954
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 3: always like the same thing. Of course that thing disappears immediately.

955
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 2: Maybe one or two of those gets ordered, and then

956
00:48:57,560 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 2: it's like a bunch of cauliflower, right.

957
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 3: And you feel like an idiot just being like, hey,

958
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:04,839
Speaker 3: would you bring out like eight more plates of this

959
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 3: thing that we all like?

960
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 2: Hey, this was twenty five dollars. Can we get a

961
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 2: bunch more of the well so we can throw throw

962
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 2: away the rest of.

963
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:13,360
Speaker 3: It, you know, so we could all have a human

964
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 3: serving amount of that thing that we liked instead of

965
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,320
Speaker 3: a bunch of shit. Yes, we're gonna not finish.

966
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:23,879
Speaker 2: I do feel like fortunately small the top is small

967
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,800
Speaker 2: plates trend is like kind of waning or something. I

968
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 2: feel like I'm going to more restaurants where I can

969
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 2: just order my plate of food that I can selfishly eat.

970
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:35,320
Speaker 3: I think there's there's and it's the beauty of comedy.

971
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 3: And I don't want to say that comedy is completely

972
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:40,479
Speaker 3: responsible for this, but I do think that we tend

973
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:45,279
Speaker 3: to call out the bullshit. Yeah, sort of has been

974
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 3: like there was a period where people were sort of

975
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 3: fascinated with small plates, and then comedy in all forms

976
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 3: was sort of like, hey, don't y'all feel stupid doing that?

977
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 3: And then it's a bad thing, right, And now restaurants

978
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:00,359
Speaker 3: are like, all right, guys, they get it. It's a rue.

979
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, regular amounts of food.

980
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 3: We just got to give them spaghetti again, normal people.

981
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 2: Take a giant plate of spaghetti. Sure, Okay, one for one. Nice,

982
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 2: let's move on to the next, the next thing. Uh,

983
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 2: oh my god, I'm having a hard time reading this.

984
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:22,720
Speaker 2: House plants, house plants, house plants gift her a curse.

985
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:26,760
Speaker 3: Ah, that's a tough one. Hmmm, I'm gonna say gift.

986
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:30,799
Speaker 3: I think house plants are a gift. My wife has

987
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:34,879
Speaker 3: murdered a number of house plants. She does not take

988
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 3: care of them, well, she does not water them. There

989
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 3: was once a point where I gave her a cactus

990
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 3: that she kept by the door where there is no sunlight,

991
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 3: because she was under the presumption that cactuses didn't need sun.

992
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 2: Sunny places.

993
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:51,800
Speaker 3: Sure, they just needed water.

994
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 2: Yes, you find all these cactus in the rainforest sort

995
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 2: of thing.

996
00:50:56,160 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 3: You know, cactuses love a cave. She has murdered a

997
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:05,919
Speaker 3: number of houseplants, and I think that has, uh, it

998
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 3: has been a gift in that it has taught me

999
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 3: what we have to do to grow and improve in

1000
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 3: our relationship. And I say gift. I say they're a

1001
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:19,439
Speaker 3: good thing because they teach us lessons.

1002
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 2: Well unfortunately, Okay, so they're a curse. That's obvious. Sure,

1003
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 2: it's very clear, and it's it's sad to watch you

1004
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 2: just fail immediately after nailing the first it's.

1005
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:32,359
Speaker 3: Such a long ran.

1006
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:35,880
Speaker 2: Hey yeah, and then you just truly fall flat on

1007
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 2: your face. It's embarrassing, canceled Lson Kerman, I think there,

1008
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:47,360
Speaker 2: I don't think. I know they are a curse because

1009
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:52,360
Speaker 2: they offer this beautiful promise of beautifying your home, but

1010
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:55,320
Speaker 2: they immediately just become a stress inducing nightmare.

1011
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 3: They do cause stress.

1012
00:51:56,560 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 2: I have killed so many and it's just a depressing

1013
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:05,359
Speaker 2: feeling to watch this thing you brought into your home

1014
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:08,920
Speaker 2: slowly die. And they are the most fickle things in

1015
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 2: the world. Like I've done the research, I've looked online

1016
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 2: for the advice on how to take care of them.

1017
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 2: I kill them every time. Sure, unless you live in

1018
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 2: a greenhouse where there's constant sunlight, it is the most

1019
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:20,959
Speaker 2: difficult thing to take care.

1020
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:24,360
Speaker 3: I will say that if I had as many bodies

1021
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 3: on my hand as you do, I'd call it.

1022
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 2: A curse as well a total curse. It's there is

1023
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:33,759
Speaker 2: a house plan that I can I refer to on

1024
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:36,760
Speaker 2: this podcast from time to time and continue to forget

1025
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 2: to research the name of it, which is you don't

1026
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:41,360
Speaker 2: you don't have to do anything to keep alive. And

1027
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 2: I'm never going to I've decided I'm never going to

1028
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 2: tell people on this podcast at this point. I'm not

1029
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:49,919
Speaker 2: going to look it up. But there is one house

1030
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 2: plan out there that you do not have to maintain.

1031
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:55,839
Speaker 2: And it's an incredible feeling to just leave this thing

1032
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:56,919
Speaker 2: and it just looks good.

1033
00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 3: Have you heard of air plants.

1034
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:01,799
Speaker 2: I have heard of airplants, and I don't know what

1035
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 2: we're talking about.

1036
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:05,759
Speaker 3: So they essentially and I don't know how they work,

1037
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 3: but they essentially are able to sustain themselves without any soil. Okay,

1038
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 3: So they just literally are plants that sort of like

1039
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:20,439
Speaker 3: spike out in every direction and you can put them

1040
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:23,360
Speaker 3: in like a some sort of container. And it doesn't

1041
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 3: require dirt to be able to light.

1042
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:29,319
Speaker 2: Does it require water or a light light?

1043
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 3: Yes? And the occasional spray from like a you know,

1044
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 3: a spray.

1045
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 2: Or what is that called a water spray?

1046
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 3: Water bottle?

1047
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1048
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 3: Whatever? What do we spray cats with?

1049
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:43,439
Speaker 2: Water?

1050
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:49,399
Speaker 3: Yeah? Hell yeah? I listen. I abuse animals, and I'm

1051
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:50,319
Speaker 3: not ashamed.

1052
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 2: Of or that someone you've made your spraying cats.

1053
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:55,759
Speaker 3: In their face because fucking like them?

1054
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:57,280
Speaker 2: Do you do you have pets?

1055
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 3: We don't have hats. I grew up with a lot

1056
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 3: of pets. O. My wife did not, so and I'm

1057
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 3: gone too often to justify adding an obligation to a

1058
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 3: person who otherwise is.

1059
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 2: Not here take care of this thing you have no

1060
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 2: interest in doing.

1061
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 3: Exactly, and by the way, keep murdering our plants in

1062
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 3: the process, So just kill I know you're not good

1063
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:24,479
Speaker 3: at keeping things alive here much more.

1064
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:33,320
Speaker 2: Okay. So now you've you've gotten one, You've just failed another. Yeah,

1065
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:37,440
Speaker 2: final final thing. This is big gift a curse. This

1066
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 2: could go either way. This basically will mean pass or fail.

1067
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 3: I don't know that it will. I think I'm going

1068
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 3: to land at a sixty six.

1069
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 2: Sixty six? What does that mean? Yeah, that's I kind

1070
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:52,839
Speaker 2: of maybe that's passed. You barely fail?

1071
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:54,720
Speaker 3: Is fifty? Are we talking?

1072
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1073
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:56,760
Speaker 2: I guess yeah, you have to get down to fifty?

1074
00:54:57,360 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 3: Okay, cool, All right, here we go.

1075
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 2: Do you think the desert is a gift for a curse?

1076
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 3: Ah? Wow? The desert? Is the desert a gift or

1077
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 3: a curse? We currently live in a desert. I'm gonna

1078
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 3: say it's a gift. I like it here in this desert.

1079
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 3: I think they lie to us often and say it's

1080
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 3: not a desert. They tell us that we're in some

1081
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 3: sort of weird tropical paradise by putting up trees that

1082
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 3: don't belong here. But that's not true. And this desert

1083
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 3: has made it so that I can live off of

1084
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 3: my silly jokes and ramblings, and it doesn't rain very often,

1085
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:47,759
Speaker 3: and hot people are for some reason attracted to being here.

1086
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna say gift, it's a gift.

1087
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 2: Lengston. You're correct. Ah, the desert, of course. I love

1088
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:02,320
Speaker 2: the desert at all. So much mystery, so much warmth.

1089
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:06,719
Speaker 2: You've got the cactus, you've got just the quiet. You've

1090
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:11,359
Speaker 2: got very little rain lizards. There's a lizard. Everybody loves

1091
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:17,319
Speaker 2: a lizard. Exciting snake with less threat. Snake you want

1092
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:21,960
Speaker 2: to get to know. Yeah exactly. Yeah, I'm just realizing

1093
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:24,480
Speaker 2: that the lizard is kind of to the snake as

1094
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 2: like a squirrel is to a rat. It's like the

1095
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:29,320
Speaker 2: more pr friendly version of that animal or whatever.

1096
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, they got the right people in front of him.

1097
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. It didn't make like the bad moves of

1098
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 2: not having legs or not having fur on your tail.

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00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:39,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, what are you idiots doing? Yeah, with no legs

1100
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 3: and no furs. No, the desert, I absolutely. I think

1101
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:47,320
Speaker 3: most people love the desert as long as they've got water,

1102
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 3: they've got cool shelter. Yeah, but it's just you go

1103
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 3: out into the desert and you're having a wonderful time.

1104
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:56,439
Speaker 3: It's a good time.

1105
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 2: Do you spend any time in Palm Springs.

1106
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 3: I haven't. I I've done a few shows down there,

1107
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 3: but never like gone and you know, chilled. Okay, I

1108
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 3: think I'd like it.

1109
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:09,360
Speaker 2: You've got to give it a shot.

1110
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 3: I enjoy drugs. I'd like go do some drugs and

1111
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:14,880
Speaker 3: wander and yes, stare at stuff.

1112
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 2: Yes, it's a wonderful town. There are like two restaurants,

1113
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 2: good restaurants, so you don't have to make any decisions,

1114
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 2: like those are the places I'll eat. Yeah, and uh,

1115
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 2: it offers everything that I've talked about with the desert here.

1116
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 2: I've never seen a lizard there, but you've got to

1117
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 2: take a peek and maybe you'll see one.

1118
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, they've got to be a lizard there. Look at you.

1119
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 3: Two out of three out of three really not too bad.

1120
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 3: Sixty six point sixty six with the bar over it.

1121
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 2: This is a former high school teacher here and he's

1122
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 2: going to graduate. Yeah, I mean, good for you. Okay.

1123
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 2: Final segment of this podcast is called I Said No Questions.

1124
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:57,680
Speaker 2: People are writing into I Said No Gifts at gmail

1125
00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:02,040
Speaker 2: dot com and they're getting advice on gift giving. Need

1126
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 2: to give people in their lives gifts, and they're obviously

1127
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 2: extremely desperate, have turned to me as the final result.

1128
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 3: Need to ask a podcast, Yeah, what to do?

1129
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a sad situation and so I through pity.

1130
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 2: I'm trying to help these people. Let's give it a shot.

1131
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:24,920
Speaker 2: The first one up here. Just this is very simple,

1132
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 2: deer Bridger. I'm finishing up a job. What kind of

1133
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 2: gift should I get? My bet get my I've been

1134
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 2: talking a lot about reading on this podcast, and every

1135
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:36,520
Speaker 2: example of me trying to read so far has really

1136
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 2: been a D level reading.

1137
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 3: As a person who struggles to read out loud. I'm

1138
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 3: here with it.

1139
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:44,959
Speaker 2: It's tough. Yeah, it's frequently your.

1140
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 3: Difficult judgment on this side of the table.

1141
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 2: I'm going to give it another shot, deer Bridger. I'm

1142
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:52,080
Speaker 2: finishing up a job? What kind of gift should I get?

1143
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 2: My boss? Best Aril in Los Angeles? Ariel is out there.

1144
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:01,920
Speaker 2: She's saying goodbye to a job. We don't know how

1145
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 2: long she was there, we don't know what her if

1146
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 2: she actually cares about her boss? Right, I mean, obviously

1147
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:11,360
Speaker 2: it's done with the job, so it couldn't have been

1148
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:14,480
Speaker 2: that great. No, you don't like it, What do you

1149
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 2: get a boss? I don't know that I've ever.

1150
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 3: I've never once bought my boss. That's not true. I

1151
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:23,800
Speaker 3: bought my my boss. I still buy my former boss.

1152
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:28,200
Speaker 3: The teacher who is like a mentor. Yeah, right, a gift,

1153
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 3: but not because he was my.

1154
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:32,520
Speaker 2: Boss's, because there was a relationship prior to the boss.

1155
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 2: Exactly what are you buying him?

1156
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:40,360
Speaker 3: I'll get him like like books or like some sort

1157
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:47,240
Speaker 3: of like gift card or something or just something relevant. Yeah, time,

1158
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 3: but it's nothing like super intimate totally.

1159
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 2: Well, I think with a boss, this person has been

1160
00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 2: working you. Let's just assume to the bone.

1161
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 3: Let's I think yelled at you, yelled at you.

1162
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, like just screamed right into your face, stared.

1163
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 3: Over your shoulder.

1164
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:15,440
Speaker 2: They're a lot, Yeah, just like a dominance, you know,

1165
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:19,120
Speaker 2: like tapped their watch when you came in. This kind

1166
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 2: of just passive aggressive.

1167
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:24,400
Speaker 3: If it's a mail boss, he might have locked his

1168
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:25,280
Speaker 3: door when you.

1169
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 2: Let's hope not. Let's just hope there might have been

1170
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 2: some dangerous Yeah, you want to get him a visit

1171
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:37,640
Speaker 2: from the police. I mean, I'm assuming Ariel that your

1172
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:42,840
Speaker 2: boss here. You must have been pleasant enough. Yeah, I'm

1173
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:44,520
Speaker 2: thinking of restaurant gift card.

1174
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:46,000
Speaker 3: That's a good offer.

1175
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:49,760
Speaker 2: Everybody likes that. It's kind of like it's not too personal.

1176
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 2: I feel like getting a boss a personal thing. It

1177
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 2: might weird them out, or you don't want them. You

1178
01:00:56,760 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 2: don't want to start crossing the line to we're now friends. Yeah,

1179
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 2: sure you want to like leave a good taste in

1180
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:05,280
Speaker 2: their mouth, but you don't want them like calling you

1181
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:08,160
Speaker 2: socially right, keep the distance.

1182
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:14,400
Speaker 3: I think similarly, a desk ornament sort of has that

1183
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:17,480
Speaker 3: vibe of like, here's a thing that I don't have

1184
01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:19,960
Speaker 3: to look at anymore, but maybe you can put on

1185
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:23,640
Speaker 3: your desk and it'll make you feel like you are loved,

1186
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:27,560
Speaker 3: like appreciated in a way that doesn't matter to me.

1187
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:32,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, just like a nice card that actually reminds me.

1188
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:39,840
Speaker 2: I intern for David Letterman years ago and was tasked

1189
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:43,880
Speaker 2: with buying if it's his birthday, and my bosses at

1190
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:47,560
Speaker 2: the job told me to go get the greeting card

1191
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:52,040
Speaker 2: for his birthday, which picking out a greeting card for

1192
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:56,120
Speaker 2: anyone is absolutely terrifying. Yeah, and this added this whole

1193
01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 2: new dimension of like, what what card do you get

1194
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:01,240
Speaker 2: Dave Letterman?

1195
01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:05,520
Speaker 3: You're not that guy who transformed late night comedy?

1196
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:06,400
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1197
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:07,920
Speaker 3: What makes him last? Of course?

1198
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:11,560
Speaker 2: Like cards have some stupid bullshit on him that's like

1199
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 2: you don't want to give that to him, so I

1200
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:15,840
Speaker 2: finally just settled on one that said like happy birthday

1201
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:18,760
Speaker 2: and had some balloons on it. Oh boy, no, no

1202
01:02:18,840 --> 01:02:21,640
Speaker 2: text within the car. Yeah, I take it to my bosses.

1203
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:26,880
Speaker 2: They furious with me, sure, totally unhappy. But you can't.

1204
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:29,600
Speaker 2: You can't saddle me with getting a greeting card for

1205
01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:32,280
Speaker 2: someone else in your life. You're gonna get what you're

1206
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:32,840
Speaker 2: gonna get.

1207
01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:36,480
Speaker 3: And then also give me a give me a trajectory. Yeah,

1208
01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:40,880
Speaker 3: like some advice. Yeah, it's like, okay, you want a

1209
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 3: funny card, I'll go funny. You wanna you wanta more

1210
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:46,760
Speaker 3: like a poem? Poemy cards?

1211
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:47,080
Speaker 2: Sure?

1212
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:51,000
Speaker 3: Like they say weird romantic things to a person you

1213
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:55,400
Speaker 3: don't have romantic feelings. Seems right for David, he's you know,

1214
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:56,840
Speaker 3: he grew that beard for a reason.

1215
01:02:56,880 --> 01:03:03,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I think the secret I mean with cards

1216
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:06,480
Speaker 2: is let's just make them all blank. I don't need

1217
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:12,120
Speaker 2: anybody writing my message. You should say happy birthday, happy anniversary, whatever,

1218
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:15,160
Speaker 2: sorry your mom died, and then leave the rest to me.

1219
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:19,360
Speaker 2: Do just folded cardboard, lad put a nice picture on it.

1220
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 2: I don't need anybody expressing my feelings for me. Yeah, Aril,

1221
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:27,440
Speaker 2: I hope something that we've said here adds up to

1222
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:30,520
Speaker 2: the perfect gift for your boss. If not, it doesn't matter.

1223
01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:31,840
Speaker 2: You don't work for them anymore.

1224
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:36,280
Speaker 4: And a knife, Send a knife, Send a knife. That's

1225
01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:40,040
Speaker 4: a good message. What does this person have in mind

1226
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:48,720
Speaker 4: for me? Okay, next question, Bridger, My anniversary with my

1227
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:52,000
Speaker 4: fiance is coming up. We don't share expenses yet, and

1228
01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:54,720
Speaker 4: he hasn't worked this year, So what can I give

1229
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:57,800
Speaker 4: him that's nice but won't make him feel guilty for

1230
01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:05,480
Speaker 4: not giving me something expensive. That's Neil in Pittsburgh. So wow,

1231
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:08,680
Speaker 4: this is this is an emotionally complicated thing.

1232
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:10,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're trying not to.

1233
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:15,640
Speaker 2: Dog, yeah, which on some level you kind of do

1234
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:18,400
Speaker 2: want to, you know, you do want to get them

1235
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:20,760
Speaker 2: a nice thing. This person obviously he hasn't worked. He

1236
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:23,600
Speaker 2: probably could have a nice thing in his life.

1237
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:26,640
Speaker 3: But then why is any word?

1238
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:31,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, we need to talk about Neil's fiance. It seems

1239
01:04:31,640 --> 01:04:32,920
Speaker 2: like he's a problem person.

1240
01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:34,720
Speaker 3: What is mister Neil doing here?

1241
01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:38,960
Speaker 2: I feel like maybe is there like a premium account

1242
01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:44,640
Speaker 2: on LinkedIn? Is there? Does monster dot com still exist?

1243
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:47,760
Speaker 3: Perhaps a nice interview time.

1244
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:51,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, or like yeah, a little book on tips on

1245
01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:54,160
Speaker 2: the job hunt or just you know, you clip out

1246
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:56,520
Speaker 2: the classified section of the newspaper.

1247
01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:59,960
Speaker 3: Media tutorial on firm handshap.

1248
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:04,280
Speaker 2: Firm handshakes like the perfect, not too much, not too little.

1249
01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:09,360
Speaker 2: Let's go just like a normal person, because obviously your

1250
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:12,560
Speaker 2: fiance has got to do something to get back into

1251
01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:15,600
Speaker 2: the job market. Yeah, I mean, maybe we're just finding

1252
01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:20,840
Speaker 2: out that Neil's fiance has been kind of just milking

1253
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:24,040
Speaker 2: this thing, and who knows, maybe it's time to say goodbye,

1254
01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:24,800
Speaker 2: break it off.

1255
01:05:25,040 --> 01:05:27,280
Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't know if that's a great gift, but.

1256
01:05:27,560 --> 01:05:29,920
Speaker 2: I mean I think, I mean, I actually think it

1257
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:34,480
Speaker 2: might be the perfect gift, give him the gift of

1258
01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:35,720
Speaker 2: you've got to figure it.

1259
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:37,880
Speaker 3: Out, buddy, I'm leaving.

1260
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:40,480
Speaker 2: I'm leaving, and maybe we'll see each other in the

1261
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:43,760
Speaker 2: future and you'll have a damn job. Otherwise I don't

1262
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:45,920
Speaker 2: want to see you anymore. We're in Pittsburgh. It's not

1263
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:49,600
Speaker 2: that it's probably a relatively expensive city.

1264
01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:55,240
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, get a get a job working.

1265
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:58,760
Speaker 2: Steel, working steel, Yeah, bam of steel town.

1266
01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:02,560
Speaker 3: It's a steel down those beams, those jobs aren't going anywhere.

1267
01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:08,880
Speaker 2: Nobody else has this steal. Uh Okay, So I feel

1268
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:12,360
Speaker 2: like it's Neil. Unfortunately, it's time to end the relationship.

1269
01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:13,800
Speaker 3: You got to break up, Neil.

1270
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:17,760
Speaker 2: This man has warmed his way into your life and

1271
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:21,600
Speaker 2: has probably gotten too many gifts already. Get him some

1272
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:24,800
Speaker 2: walking shoes, getting get him some walking shoes to walk

1273
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:30,560
Speaker 2: right out of the apartment onto a new life. Bless you, Neil.

1274
01:06:30,840 --> 01:06:34,160
Speaker 2: I'm excited for your future as a you know, somebody

1275
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:41,000
Speaker 2: who is an independent woman. Okay, well, I think we

1276
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:43,400
Speaker 2: we nailed it with both of these. The world is

1277
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:45,000
Speaker 2: a better place because of us.

1278
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:45,640
Speaker 3: For sure.

1279
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:48,720
Speaker 2: Ril is getting our boss something I can't remember exactly

1280
01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:54,479
Speaker 2: what we talked about, and Neil is single. We're gonna

1281
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:55,960
Speaker 2: wrap it up. I think that's the end of the show.

1282
01:06:56,040 --> 01:06:59,800
Speaker 2: Links delight having you. I've got this beautiful new book.

1283
01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:03,800
Speaker 2: I'm going to dive right into it. Aase, do finish

1284
01:07:03,880 --> 01:07:07,760
Speaker 2: up some James Baldwin and get right into Andrea Bouchar,

1285
01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:11,480
Speaker 2: my second favorite, one of his peers, one of his peers.

1286
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:16,520
Speaker 2: I think we can say there's Baldwin at Bouchar, both

1287
01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:20,640
Speaker 2: equally important to America. All Right, that's the end of

1288
01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:23,520
Speaker 2: the show. I said. No Gifts isn't exactly right production.

1289
01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:27,479
Speaker 2: It's engineered by Earth Angel Stephen Ray Morris. The theme

1290
01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:30,720
Speaker 2: song is by miracle worker Amy Man. You can follow

1291
01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:33,840
Speaker 2: the show on Instagram and Twitter at I said no gifts,

1292
01:07:34,120 --> 01:07:37,120
Speaker 2: and if you have a question or need help getting

1293
01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:39,880
Speaker 2: a gift for someone in your life, email me at

1294
01:07:40,040 --> 01:07:43,120
Speaker 2: I Said No gifts at gmail dot com. Listen and

1295
01:07:43,160 --> 01:07:46,960
Speaker 2: subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Stitcher or wherever you found me,

1296
01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:49,360
Speaker 2: and why not leave a review while you're at it?

1297
01:07:52,440 --> 01:08:00,360
Speaker 1: Did you hearn a man? Myself perfectly clear? Here, I

1298
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:06,200
Speaker 1: guess to my home, you gotta come to me empty?

1299
01:08:06,600 --> 01:08:12,840
Speaker 1: And I said, no, guest, your own presence is presents enough.

1300
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:18,560
Speaker 1: I already had too much stuff, So how do you

1301
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:29,720
Speaker 1: dare to surbey mea