WEBVTT - How to Find an Exoplanet

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<v Speaker 1>Brought to you by Toyota. Let's go places. Welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>Forward Thinking. Hey then, and welcome to Forward Thinking the

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<v Speaker 1>podcast and looks at the future, and says citizens of

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<v Speaker 1>the Universe, recording angels, we have returned to claim the pyramids.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Jonathan Strickland and I'm Joe McCormick. Hey, Joey, you

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<v Speaker 1>you like star gazing, right I do? And Lauren you

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<v Speaker 1>like planets right? Um? Okay, so we've established that we

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<v Speaker 1>are all, you know, amateur astronomers. Uh. One of the

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<v Speaker 1>things I've always thought would be really cool would be

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<v Speaker 1>to actually make one of those discoveries of an exoplanet. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's it's just an interesting idea of being

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<v Speaker 1>able to say I have discovered the presence of another

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<v Speaker 1>body orbiting around a distant star. So it got me

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<v Speaker 1>to thinking, you know, how hard is that? And um,

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<v Speaker 1>it turns out it's pretty hard. Well, it's getting easier.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it's certainly easier than it was a few

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<v Speaker 1>thousand years ago. Yeah. Well a few thousand years ago

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<v Speaker 1>I'd say it was impossible. Yes, why is that? I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>why can't we just look up and and see planets

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<v Speaker 1>all throughout the Milky Way for example. Well, they don't

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<v Speaker 1>emit electromagnetic radiation the way that stars do. Yeah, well

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<v Speaker 1>they might, they might emit some frequencies, they certainly do. Yes, No,

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<v Speaker 1>that was a very scientifically inaccurate thing for me to say, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>they don't emit as much, and they don't emit light

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<v Speaker 1>their own They might get it reflected back from the

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<v Speaker 1>star and they're going to fade away because they're very

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<v Speaker 1>far and they're very small, and they're very dim compared

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<v Speaker 1>to the stars. But I was actually curious when you

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<v Speaker 1>think about exo planets. Surely somebody must have guessed at

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<v Speaker 1>this before we detected they were there, and so who

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<v Speaker 1>were the first people to actually suggest that there were

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<v Speaker 1>other planets out there that were different from stars. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>there's there's a lot of different philosophers who have talked

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<v Speaker 1>about this, um, even before we got to the heliocentric

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<v Speaker 1>model of our solar system. So if you want to

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<v Speaker 1>go way back, you had a couple of chuckle heads,

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<v Speaker 1>Aristotle and Epicurus, who were were Yeah, they were just

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they're they're sitting there, you know, taking their

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<v Speaker 1>lunch on the edge of giant stone work, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the hard hats on their heads. I get a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of my historical knowledge from the flint stones, so uh,

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<v Speaker 1>just roll with me on this. Anyway, they were actually

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<v Speaker 1>having a debate, and Epicurus said that he believed the

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<v Speaker 1>universe to be infinite, and therefore it would contain an

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<v Speaker 1>infinity of worlds within it. By definition, if the universe

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<v Speaker 1>is completely infinite, then everything is unnumbered. I mean, you

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<v Speaker 1>have just a countless number of everything's, including other worlds. Um. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>Aristotle said he believed the Earth was at the center

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<v Speaker 1>of the universe and therefore was unique. You can only

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<v Speaker 1>have one center, and he didn't think that because he

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<v Speaker 1>was stupid. I mean, that was a thing that made

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<v Speaker 1>sense to think back then, before we had telescopes and

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<v Speaker 1>modern astronomical equipment, it really did seem like the Earth

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<v Speaker 1>was the center of the universe. It didn't seem to move.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh sure, sure, it seems like you're standing still and

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<v Speaker 1>that the sky is moving around you. So therefore, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously you're the one who's on the stationary uh rock,

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<v Speaker 1>and everything else just moves in spheres around you and uh.

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<v Speaker 1>As it turns out, that was a pretty popular view

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<v Speaker 1>for a long time. Epicurus is view was not the

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<v Speaker 1>most widely accepted Aristotles, however, was for quite some time.

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<v Speaker 1>And um so even with epicurus view of the infinity

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<v Speaker 1>world type of approach, it didn't necessarily mean that he

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<v Speaker 1>thought worlds were orbiting around stars. He just thought that

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<v Speaker 1>there would be other world olds. There are other worlds

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<v Speaker 1>than these for my Dark Tower fans out there. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>But then you get Copernicus coming around in saying, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, I think the Earth is going around

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<v Speaker 1>the Sun, not the Sun and everything else going around

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<v Speaker 1>the Earth. And there that caused a bit of a debate,

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<v Speaker 1>I would say, in philosophical circles. Um. Yeah, And then

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<v Speaker 1>you get a fellow named Giordano Bruno who back in

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<v Speaker 1>proposed that other stars might have planets of their own,

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<v Speaker 1>just like our Sun has planets orbiting it. Uh. There

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<v Speaker 1>were some people who disagreed with Bruno. They they took

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<v Speaker 1>issue with what he had to say. It was the

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<v Speaker 1>Roman Catholic Church at the time, and the way they

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<v Speaker 1>expressed their dissenting this discending opinion was by burning him

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<v Speaker 1>at the stake. So Bruno paid for his his belief,

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<v Speaker 1>which turned out to be true with his life. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>people were even harsher back than than they are in

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<v Speaker 1>YouTube comments. Yeah, it's about to say it does bring

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<v Speaker 1>a little perspective, but you know, figuratively speaking, YouTube commoners

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<v Speaker 1>are pretty much doing the same thing to us. But

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<v Speaker 1>figuratively alright, So at any rate, that was sort of

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<v Speaker 1>the the If you want to look at the earliest

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<v Speaker 1>thinkers who were putting forth this idea of other stars

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<v Speaker 1>having planets orbiting around them, those would be the earliest

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<v Speaker 1>ones I would point to. But these days we actually

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<v Speaker 1>have direct evidence of planets orbiting other stars. We don't

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<v Speaker 1>have to guess anymore. We can actually use the instruments

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<v Speaker 1>of astronomy we've created to get data that tell us

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<v Speaker 1>there must be other planets out there like us. And

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<v Speaker 1>this isn't just a matter of pure curiosity. It actually

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<v Speaker 1>bears on many other questions and science and maybe even

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<v Speaker 1>the future of what happens to the human race. Sure, now,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, the pure science element does matter a lot, because,

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<v Speaker 1>as with every question in science, we can never really

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<v Speaker 1>know how a piece of information, once gathered, might be used. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>something that we know about astronomy about exceplants may prove

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<v Speaker 1>useful in the future in ways that we don't imagine

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<v Speaker 1>right now, even if that just means that we get

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<v Speaker 1>a better understanding of how our universe works, which you know,

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<v Speaker 1>some people dismiss, but that's that's just really cool. The

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<v Speaker 1>idea that we learn things new things about how planets

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<v Speaker 1>are formed and how how they uh you know, orbit

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<v Speaker 1>their stars and what kind of different bodies they can orbit,

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<v Speaker 1>or or what kind of planets are the most common,

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<v Speaker 1>like how unusual a situation like Earth is, or how

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<v Speaker 1>many gas giants there are, or how big or small

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<v Speaker 1>many planets are. Yeah, yeah, very good questions. The other

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<v Speaker 1>thing you might want to consider is how about Earth too?

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<v Speaker 1>How about Earth too? Well. One thing you might observe

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<v Speaker 1>looking at us in our environment is that the population

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<v Speaker 1>of humans on the planet is consistently growing, but the

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<v Speaker 1>planet is not getting any bigger and its resources are

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<v Speaker 1>not multiplying. There may come a day when, in order

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<v Speaker 1>to continue growing, the human species needs to expand beyond

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<v Speaker 1>the planet Earth, uh well, especially to continue growing, growing

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<v Speaker 1>in a way that's comfortable and healthy for all of us.

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<v Speaker 1>In other words, we have to have another place to go. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And so you might look at planets in our own

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<v Speaker 1>solar system and terror forming colonization, or you might look

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<v Speaker 1>way beyond and say, well, is there possibility we could

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<v Speaker 1>colonize extra solar planets planets in other solar systems throughout

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<v Speaker 1>the galaxy? It might be more worthwhile to take a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of a road trip to someplace that's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot more habitable. Yeah, maybe, depending on how fast we

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<v Speaker 1>can get there. Well, And that's a question I think

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<v Speaker 1>we'll look into towards the end of this podcast. But

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<v Speaker 1>another one of the big questions that exoplanets bear on

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<v Speaker 1>is the question of astrobiology extraterrestrial life, Right, what other

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<v Speaker 1>life is out there beyond Earth? Is it Earth like?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it very different from Earth life? That we we

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<v Speaker 1>have a sample size of one planet. When it comes

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<v Speaker 1>to life, we have no way of knowing if what

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<v Speaker 1>we think of his life as representative of the entire galaxy,

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<v Speaker 1>let alone the universe. So this would be a huge

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<v Speaker 1>thing to be able to look at another planet and

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<v Speaker 1>determine what are the what's the likelihood of life being

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<v Speaker 1>found there? Right? I mean, just the discovery of other

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<v Speaker 1>planets out there in the habitable zones around stars is

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<v Speaker 1>already bearing on certain things like the question of the

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<v Speaker 1>Fermi paradox. You've got that Drake equation we talked about.

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<v Speaker 1>We did a podcast back. If you're not familiar, you

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<v Speaker 1>can go check that out our podcast on the Drake equation.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's the question of why aren't we hearing any

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<v Speaker 1>signals from alien civilizations? Um, what's the thing that's limiting

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<v Speaker 1>the number of alien civilizations out there? And it used

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<v Speaker 1>to be thought that, well, maybe there just aren't enough

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<v Speaker 1>planets in our galaxy on which alien life could arise.

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<v Speaker 1>We now know that that variable is smashed. There are

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<v Speaker 1>tons of planets out there, so we're actually narrowing down

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<v Speaker 1>the question. It's got to be one of these other

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<v Speaker 1>variables limiting the number of aliens that could be talking

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<v Speaker 1>to us but aren't. And why do we know we

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<v Speaker 1>need to look at planets? Well, I think we can

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<v Speaker 1>make a pretty good guess based on physics that we're

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<v Speaker 1>not going to find life forms in stars, not life

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<v Speaker 1>as we know it at any rate. Yeah, where we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to need something more or less Earth temperature. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>water would need to be in a liquid state at

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<v Speaker 1>least at some point during its cycle. Yeah, it's yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's hard to imagine any kind of complex system like

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<v Speaker 1>a life form existing at a temperature that a star

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<v Speaker 1>would operate at. Yeah, I wouldn't do well in it.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's take a look at some actual discoveries of

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<v Speaker 1>exo planets. I want to know when was the first

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<v Speaker 1>exo planet really actually discovered by science? All right, well,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're looking for the first time someone pointed at

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<v Speaker 1>at data and said, we can be definitively sure that

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<v Speaker 1>this is coming from other planets outside of our Solar system.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it was just twenty years ago when we

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<v Speaker 1>saw someone point and say, this is definitive proof that

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<v Speaker 1>there is at least one, probably multiple planets outside of

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<v Speaker 1>our own Solar system, and here's the data to prove it.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a radio astronomer who discovered it back in

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<v Speaker 1>and uh he detected two or three planet sized objects

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<v Speaker 1>in orbit around a pulsar in the Virgo constellation. So

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<v Speaker 1>not a star but a pulsar, which is the remnants

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<v Speaker 1>after a supernova, so kind of interesting. It actually got

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<v Speaker 1>some people grumbling about how it shouldn't count because the

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<v Speaker 1>exo planets were in an orbit around the star, but um, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>the data was from the radio telescopes he was using,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh he was detecting, uh, the the effects of

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<v Speaker 1>gravitational force of multiple large bodies upon that pulsar, which

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<v Speaker 1>was what allowed him to infer that there were planets

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<v Speaker 1>or around. Yeah, and we'll talk more about that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of way of detecting planets in a little bit now.

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<v Speaker 1>The first discovery of an exo plant that was actually

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<v Speaker 1>an orbit around a star. Yeah, this dates so just

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<v Speaker 1>one year later, and it was a pair of Swiss

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<v Speaker 1>scientists who announced the discovery of a plant somewhere between

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<v Speaker 1>half the size of Jupiter and two times the size

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<v Speaker 1>of Jupiter. That's it's actually pretty tiny for for exit planets.

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<v Speaker 1>It's also it's also uh, you know, it sounds like

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<v Speaker 1>a huge range, but really when you're talking about galactic measures.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so they determined that was an extremely close orbit

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<v Speaker 1>around its parents star, which was fifty one pegasi, and

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<v Speaker 1>its year was really really short. It's year lasts four

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<v Speaker 1>point to earth days, so every every four point two

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<v Speaker 1>days it orbits its Sun. Feels like it feels like

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<v Speaker 1>a whole lot of whiplash. To me, how many years

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<v Speaker 1>old would you? Why did you ask me that question?

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<v Speaker 1>I would have I would have actually done the calculations

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<v Speaker 1>that I thought about it. Um, I'm almost I'm almost. No,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna do it. If I try and do

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<v Speaker 1>the math, that will just come out horribly wrong. Well, anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>they had discovered the presence of this planet again through

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<v Speaker 1>indirect observation. They used radial velocity detection, which will also

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<v Speaker 1>kind of talk about in a little bit. And soon,

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<v Speaker 1>because they showed that this method was uh you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it was a working method, soon the discoveries just started

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<v Speaker 1>coming pretty quickly. Now, at first, like a lot. If

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<v Speaker 1>you look back at the history of exoplanet discoveries and

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<v Speaker 1>you're looking at stuff from the early two thousand's, they'll

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<v Speaker 1>they'll say, like eight whole planets have been discovered so far.

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<v Speaker 1>But over the next few years, especially once we started

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<v Speaker 1>to really know what to look for and we had

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<v Speaker 1>access to some pretty incredible tools, Uh, that number exploded. Um. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>The first DEDICAD exoplanet space mission was the launch of

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<v Speaker 1>the Corot Space Telescope in two thousand and six, the

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<v Speaker 1>c O R O T, and it provides a continuous

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<v Speaker 1>observation of a stellar field for a period of up

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<v Speaker 1>to six months at a time. So it just it

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<v Speaker 1>just keeps its uh, it's I essentially on a specific

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<v Speaker 1>segment of space and leaves it there for like six

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<v Speaker 1>months to see, you know, any sort of variation in

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<v Speaker 1>the brightness of the stars that are in that stellar field,

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<v Speaker 1>and when it starts to detect variations, it looks for patterns.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you find a pattern in the variation of

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<v Speaker 1>the brightness of a star that suggests that something is

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<v Speaker 1>passing between that star and Earth on a regular basis,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll talk more about that too. So those are kind

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<v Speaker 1>of the early approaches or the early um the early

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<v Speaker 1>examples of this very young field. Well, I think we

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<v Speaker 1>should look at some of the most common methods that

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<v Speaker 1>are used to detect extrasolar planets. Yeah, sure, Well, I

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<v Speaker 1>think the first one we should mention, though it's certainly

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<v Speaker 1>not the most common at this point, is simple direct imaging.

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<v Speaker 1>I think this is what a lot of people would

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<v Speaker 1>just guess is happening. You're just taking a picture up

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<v Speaker 1>in the sky and you see next to a star,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a little planet, a little dot, and there it is. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The problem is that that those dots at that distance

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<v Speaker 1>are saying they're little is being generous, Yeah, that they

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<v Speaker 1>just the typically don't emit enough light that's detectable at

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<v Speaker 1>this distance and distinguishable from the star they orbit to

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<v Speaker 1>see this. This is a problem we have at this point.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really hard to directly image planets. There's there's also

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of glare coming off of well, glare coming

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<v Speaker 1>off of a nearby stars that's going to obscure direct

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<v Speaker 1>visualization of planets like that. Yeah, though it has been done.

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<v Speaker 1>We have card direct images of a few extra so

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<v Speaker 1>the planets with radio waves and with infrared, I believe.

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<v Speaker 1>But there are other methods that are have been used

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<v Speaker 1>a lot more commonly, and one of the main ones

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<v Speaker 1>I want to talk about is the radial velocity method

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<v Speaker 1>is the one I had mentioned earlier with the approach

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<v Speaker 1>with the radio telescope. Yea so true or false question

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<v Speaker 1>t r F question for you, And you can't just

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<v Speaker 1>draw that little thing that could be a T or

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<v Speaker 1>an F, so we have to come down firm the

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<v Speaker 1>whole word. Okay, true or false? The Sun is stationary,

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<v Speaker 1>the unmoving center of gravity in our solar system. That well,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I know the answer to this, and also

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<v Speaker 1>it's in our notes, so it would be cheating. But

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<v Speaker 1>would you would you like me to play along? Play along.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's true, Joe. Well, it's true. We do

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<v Speaker 1>go around the Sun. Except it's false because the Sun

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<v Speaker 1>is not stationary. Wait, it's both true and false. You

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<v Speaker 1>tricked me, Because in space it actually isn't the case

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<v Speaker 1>that a bigger object pulls a smaller object. It's the

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<v Speaker 1>case that both objects pull each other. Yeah, the force

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<v Speaker 1>of gravity exerts on both, on both masses. Right, So

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<v Speaker 1>when you have two objects, it may look from one

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<v Speaker 1>perspective that, say, Jupiter is orbiting the Sun, but in fact,

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<v Speaker 1>both Jupiter and the Sun are orbiting the center of

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<v Speaker 1>gravity between Jupiter and the Sun. And because the Sun

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<v Speaker 1>is so much bigger than Jupiter, the way this typically

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<v Speaker 1>looks is just that Jupiter is going around the Sun, right,

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<v Speaker 1>because the Sun's size actually overlaps that edge of the

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<v Speaker 1>center of the gravitational Furthermore, I mean the entire Solar

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<v Speaker 1>system is moving um and our entire galaxy is moving

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<v Speaker 1>right right, So there are several ways in which the

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<v Speaker 1>Sun is moving. Yes, but it actually does move in

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<v Speaker 1>response to the gravity exerted on it by its planets,

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<v Speaker 1>And an outside observer could look in on this and

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<v Speaker 1>notice it, especially in response to the big planets like

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<v Speaker 1>Jupiter and Saturn. The effect is that the sun or

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<v Speaker 1>the star seems to wobble. Yeah, it actually appears to

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<v Speaker 1>be moving in relation to those plants. And if you're

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<v Speaker 1>far enough out where you can't see the planets but

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<v Speaker 1>you can see the star, you'll see that the star

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<v Speaker 1>is wiggling a little bit, since it's doing a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of a chimmy. Yeah. Right, So the same is

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<v Speaker 1>true in other solar systems throughout the galaxy. But how

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<v Speaker 1>would we detect if a star that's dozens of light

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<v Speaker 1>years away is just wobbling slightly in response to the

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<v Speaker 1>gravitational pull of a planet like it would just seem

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<v Speaker 1>like it's a pin prick. And how could you ever

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<v Speaker 1>be sure that what you saw was a wobble and

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<v Speaker 1>not say the fault of your instrumentation? Right, Well, you

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<v Speaker 1>can measure it with the Doppler effect. Now we should

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<v Speaker 1>probably explain what the Doppler effect is. Okay, so you

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<v Speaker 1>you may remember this from physics class in high school.

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<v Speaker 1>Any object emitting waves, which I love objects that emit waves. There,

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<v Speaker 1>whenever something emits waves, it seems to produce higher frequency

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<v Speaker 1>waves when it's moving towards you and lower frequency waves

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<v Speaker 1>when it's moving away from you. And if you just

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<v Speaker 1>picture the waves in your head, you can kind of

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<v Speaker 1>see why this is the case. Something coming towards you

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<v Speaker 1>is compressing the waves as it moves in your direction.

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<v Speaker 1>Something moving away from you is stretching the waves out

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<v Speaker 1>as it moves away. So this would be if you

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<v Speaker 1>ever hear you know, cars going by you where they're

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<v Speaker 1>honking the horn. You're exactly right. Yeah, the passing police

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<v Speaker 1>car is the classic example. The sirens higher pitched as

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<v Speaker 1>it's coming your direction after it passes by, exactly right.

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<v Speaker 1>This is also true with light. It's not just now

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<v Speaker 1>you know, sound is a physical acoustic wave, but electromagnetic

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<v Speaker 1>radiation the same thing. The same principle applies. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>you can have the police radar gun. The police officer

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<v Speaker 1>can clock the velocity of an approaching or receding vehicle

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<v Speaker 1>by bouncing radio waves. I think it's usually microwaves off

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<v Speaker 1>the car, so it shoots the gun, bounces the waves back,

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<v Speaker 1>and then by calculating the difference between the outgoing waves

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<v Speaker 1>and the waves coming back, the radar gun can detect

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<v Speaker 1>the speed of the car. But this also works for

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<v Speaker 1>electromagnetic waves produced by distant stars. So as the star

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<v Speaker 1>wobbles away from us because of another object in the system,

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<v Speaker 1>the radiation signature changes to a lower frequency, the red shift.

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<v Speaker 1>You may have heard of this, And then when it

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<v Speaker 1>wobbles back towards us again, the radiation signature is shifted

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<v Speaker 1>up towards the blue frequency, the blue shift. So by

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<v Speaker 1>studying the pattern of how the star wobbles, astronomers can

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<v Speaker 1>actually learn a whole lot about the planet that's causing

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<v Speaker 1>the wobbling, including a pretty good guess at its mass.

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<v Speaker 1>But there are limitations to this kind of thing because

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<v Speaker 1>the method depends on the gravitational poll exerted by the planet.

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<v Speaker 1>It's best at finding relatively high mass planets closely orbiting

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<v Speaker 1>relatively low mass stars. You remember that gravity is dependent

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<v Speaker 1>upon two things. It's depending upon the mass of the

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<v Speaker 1>objects in question and the distance between them. So the

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<v Speaker 1>closer and the more massive the objects are, the more

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<v Speaker 1>detectable this would be. Yeah, So what kind of tools

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<v Speaker 1>our researchers using to detect this sort of thing? Essentially

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<v Speaker 1>we're using telescopes and spectrometers. Now, a spectrometer it does

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<v Speaker 1>is it separates the light that comes from stars into

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<v Speaker 1>its component colors and then detect the subtle changes even

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<v Speaker 1>when those changes are indistinguishable too. We puny mirror mortals, right,

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<v Speaker 1>so it can detect with high precision the light frequency

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<v Speaker 1>and how that changes as the star wobbles. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>there's another method that basically tracks the same effect, but

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<v Speaker 1>in a different way. This is called astrometry. This actually

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<v Speaker 1>dates if you're looking at the earliest of the astrometry,

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<v Speaker 1>it dates to like nineteenth century. This is much older,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think generally considered not not as accurate at

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<v Speaker 1>this point. It's we we've mostly moved on to the

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<v Speaker 1>radio velocity and to another one, but interestingly it may

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<v Speaker 1>come back. Yeah, but I'm sorry I should say what

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<v Speaker 1>it is. It's a way of looking for the same

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<v Speaker 1>wobbling of planets visually. Essentially, you just look at where

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<v Speaker 1>a star is in relation to the other stars around it,

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<v Speaker 1>and you visually track its movement over long periods of time.

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<v Speaker 1>As you can guess from the sound of it. That's

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<v Speaker 1>hard to do. Yes, that sounds like you would need

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<v Speaker 1>a really big telescope and a really high res camera

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<v Speaker 1>in order to work that out. Yeah, I'm sure, I'm sure,

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<v Speaker 1>photography made this a lot easier than it was before,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, when you just had to kind of look

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<v Speaker 1>at it and seeing, yeah, that's that's a half a degree,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a scoch. But then there's another one where you

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<v Speaker 1>can try to infer something about planets just by looking

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<v Speaker 1>at the star itself. And this is probably the one

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<v Speaker 1>that's on the rise, the one that just recently got

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<v Speaker 1>really big, the transit method. Yeah, this is where you're

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<v Speaker 1>looking at the light that's coming from the star and

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<v Speaker 1>you're looking for any sort of dimming that would be

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<v Speaker 1>indicative of a body passing between the Earth and that star.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, a little bit like observing a solar eclipse

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<v Speaker 1>here on Earth, where the moon is passing between you

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<v Speaker 1>and the sun, right, except on of course, obviously on

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<v Speaker 1>a much smaller scale because the distance is involved, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and and our perspective. But the idea is that we

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<v Speaker 1>would use very precise instrumentation to measure the amount of

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<v Speaker 1>light that's coming from a star and looking for those

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<v Speaker 1>sort of patterns that you see a one percent dip

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<v Speaker 1>in the luminosity of a star at certain regular intervals

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<v Speaker 1>that could be indicative of an an orbiting body going

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<v Speaker 1>around that start blocking some of the light. Now, obviously

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<v Speaker 1>this depends on lots of different factors. The precision of

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<v Speaker 1>your instrumentation is a big one, but another one is

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<v Speaker 1>just the alignment of the planet's orbit around that star

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<v Speaker 1>compared to where we on Earth are. Because despite what

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<v Speaker 1>most science fiction films would have you believe, space in

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<v Speaker 1>fact has lots of different ways that you can come

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<v Speaker 1>at different objects. And you're not always just nos two

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<v Speaker 1>nose in your spaceship with the other spaceships. Sometimes you're

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<v Speaker 1>all catty wumpus with each other. Like, like we said,

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<v Speaker 1>everything is moving. So if you you know, imagine that

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<v Speaker 1>you are looking at the star and the planet orbits

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<v Speaker 1>it in a way where it doesn't pass between the

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<v Speaker 1>star and Earth, you know, the plants in orbit, uh

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<v Speaker 1>that from our perspective, it would be like a halo

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<v Speaker 1>around the star. Well, we're not gonna be able to

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<v Speaker 1>see that planet because it doesn't pass between the star

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<v Speaker 1>and us, uh, and it's too dim for us to

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<v Speaker 1>pick up on on its own. So the transit method

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<v Speaker 1>would not work for those kind of planets. So for

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<v Speaker 1>any system that is in a in that sort of

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<v Speaker 1>alignment in respect to where we are, that's great, But

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<v Speaker 1>for all the ones that aren't, we have to use

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<v Speaker 1>some other methodology. What about gravitational micro lensing. This is

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<v Speaker 1>another kind of rising in popularity method and it's sort

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<v Speaker 1>of parallel to this transit method, but instead of looking

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<v Speaker 1>for a dimming, we're looking for a brightening UM And

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<v Speaker 1>let me explain how how the heck that works. UM. So,

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<v Speaker 1>so what's going on is that we've got two star

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<v Speaker 1>systems that we're looking at, one distant and one really

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<v Speaker 1>bloody distant UM. And when the nearer one passes between

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<v Speaker 1>us and the farther one, the nearer one's gravity bends

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<v Speaker 1>and magnifies the light that's coming from the farther one

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<v Speaker 1>like a lens. So the farther star appears to smoothly

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<v Speaker 1>brighten and fade over a period of a few weeks

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<v Speaker 1>or a few months UM. And this is pretty nifty

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<v Speaker 1>unto itself. So where do exo planets come in? You

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<v Speaker 1>might ask, Well, if the if the nearer star system

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<v Speaker 1>contains a planet, that planet's gravity can cause hitches in

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<v Speaker 1>the brightening and fading pattern, or even cause a sort

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<v Speaker 1>of lens flare. Almost this type of probably UM and

0:24:52.840 --> 0:24:55.440
<v Speaker 1>this method is is really read for for finding smaller,

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<v Speaker 1>potentially Earth sized exo planets um, which in turn is

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<v Speaker 1>important in our search for extraterrestrial life as we know it.

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<v Speaker 1>As we said near the top of the show. Um. However,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a little bit tough to use this method to

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<v Speaker 1>tell the exact mass of the extra planet in question, UM.

0:25:12.760 --> 0:25:15.760
<v Speaker 1>And and that's because okay, so, so researchers can use

0:25:15.800 --> 0:25:19.840
<v Speaker 1>their observations to determine the ratio of the masses of

0:25:19.880 --> 0:25:22.919
<v Speaker 1>the planet and its star pretty easily, but they have

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<v Speaker 1>to make an educated guess about the actual mass of

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<v Speaker 1>both based on statistical modeling and um any other electromagnetic

0:25:31.000 --> 0:25:34.320
<v Speaker 1>observations that they can make about the stuff. So, uh,

0:25:34.359 --> 0:25:38.639
<v Speaker 1>it's it's imprecise in that way. Interesting. That is interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>And I want to ask about a weird thing about

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<v Speaker 1>robe planets. You'll heard about these. Yeah, I love that

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<v Speaker 1>you kept my note in here, which first of all,

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<v Speaker 1>they can't touch other plants where they will totally steal

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<v Speaker 1>those planets superpowers. Well, okay, hold on a second. Almost

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<v Speaker 1>all the methods we're talking about here, except the direct imaging,

0:25:57.520 --> 0:26:01.240
<v Speaker 1>are involving how a plan in it affects our view

0:26:01.359 --> 0:26:03.800
<v Speaker 1>of a star right, that's how we gathered the data

0:26:03.840 --> 0:26:06.359
<v Speaker 1>about it. So how can you do so if you

0:26:06.400 --> 0:26:08.800
<v Speaker 1>have a planet that's floating out there in the middle

0:26:08.840 --> 0:26:13.480
<v Speaker 1>of interstellar space, which not orbiting a set is definition yes,

0:26:13.720 --> 0:26:16.960
<v Speaker 1>orbiting the galaxy center directly instead of orbiting a star,

0:26:17.880 --> 0:26:19.840
<v Speaker 1>can you see it? Is there a way or not

0:26:19.920 --> 0:26:21.760
<v Speaker 1>see it? But is there a way you can determine

0:26:21.800 --> 0:26:24.800
<v Speaker 1>it's there and learn anything about it? Okay, So so

0:26:25.280 --> 0:26:27.600
<v Speaker 1>rogue planets to to really break it down here, UM

0:26:27.680 --> 0:26:31.080
<v Speaker 1>are not orbiting a star for for one of several reasons. UM.

0:26:31.160 --> 0:26:33.560
<v Speaker 1>They could have escaped their stars orbit, either due to

0:26:33.680 --> 0:26:35.680
<v Speaker 1>the pull of a nearby star or due to their

0:26:35.720 --> 0:26:38.920
<v Speaker 1>star going red giant perhaps and and pushing its planets

0:26:38.920 --> 0:26:41.440
<v Speaker 1>out UM. Or they might have formed out in the

0:26:41.480 --> 0:26:45.040
<v Speaker 1>interstellar dust UM and just didn't have enough mass to

0:26:45.080 --> 0:26:48.800
<v Speaker 1>start fusing hydrogen and thus become a star. Or and

0:26:48.920 --> 0:26:50.639
<v Speaker 1>thank you guys for leaving my joke in here, they

0:26:50.680 --> 0:26:55.040
<v Speaker 1>might have just rolled really high on dexterity UM. So

0:26:55.040 --> 0:26:58.560
<v Speaker 1>so they're not So they're not very near um any stars,

0:26:58.720 --> 0:27:02.280
<v Speaker 1>meaning that hey probably not obscured by light from a star,

0:27:02.840 --> 0:27:06.720
<v Speaker 1>which is cool UM, but they're probably not illuminated much

0:27:06.760 --> 0:27:09.720
<v Speaker 1>at all, which does make them tough to see UM,

0:27:09.760 --> 0:27:13.119
<v Speaker 1>but researchers can use UH telescopic cameras with filters that

0:27:13.200 --> 0:27:16.200
<v Speaker 1>select for certain segments of the spectrum UM and then

0:27:16.440 --> 0:27:20.720
<v Speaker 1>scan darker areas of the sky UH. At that point,

0:27:21.160 --> 0:27:24.760
<v Speaker 1>redder colors are going to indicate cooler bodies like either

0:27:24.800 --> 0:27:29.679
<v Speaker 1>brown dwarves, which are similarly formed when clouds. OH. Interstellar

0:27:29.800 --> 0:27:32.679
<v Speaker 1>stuff don't get dense enough to become stars, although they

0:27:32.680 --> 0:27:36.080
<v Speaker 1>are way bigger than planets, even like gas giants like

0:27:36.160 --> 0:27:40.439
<v Speaker 1>Jupiter UM or it could indicate an exoplanet. So have

0:27:40.600 --> 0:27:44.720
<v Speaker 1>we actually seen any road planets? Thousands have been identified

0:27:44.720 --> 0:27:46.879
<v Speaker 1>in the last ten years or so, and some researchers

0:27:46.880 --> 0:27:50.040
<v Speaker 1>think that there could be billions. In any single given

0:27:50.080 --> 0:27:53.600
<v Speaker 1>nebula um. There might be a dozen that are less

0:27:53.600 --> 0:27:55.760
<v Speaker 1>than a hundred light years away from us right now.

0:27:55.840 --> 0:27:58.479
<v Speaker 1>I just like the whole part where you talked about

0:27:58.640 --> 0:28:02.160
<v Speaker 1>the scan darker areas of the sky because it made

0:28:02.160 --> 0:28:03.919
<v Speaker 1>me think that you have to put it through a

0:28:04.000 --> 0:28:08.320
<v Speaker 1>scanner darkly. Oh yeah, well this is this is the

0:28:08.359 --> 0:28:12.399
<v Speaker 1>nerdiest entry in our outline. Excellent. I didn't put that

0:28:12.440 --> 0:28:16.800
<v Speaker 1>in the notes though, so it was just me being obnoxious. Okay. So,

0:28:16.800 --> 0:28:20.080
<v Speaker 1>so road planets are really fascinating, especially because we're not

0:28:20.200 --> 0:28:23.960
<v Speaker 1>entirely sure how they got out there. But they're perhaps

0:28:24.119 --> 0:28:29.600
<v Speaker 1>less interesting than some solar bound planets because it's less

0:28:29.640 --> 0:28:32.879
<v Speaker 1>likely that they're going to contain life as we know it.

0:28:33.280 --> 0:28:36.240
<v Speaker 1>I actually, uh, it would seem like that, but I

0:28:36.280 --> 0:28:38.680
<v Speaker 1>feel like I've read stuff saying that maybe they could

0:28:38.720 --> 0:28:44.160
<v Speaker 1>contain life, like they might be warmer than we would imagine. Speaking,

0:28:44.200 --> 0:28:45.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, no, and I mean I mean space,

0:28:46.120 --> 0:28:48.480
<v Speaker 1>space is warm. Space is not cold, as we have

0:28:48.520 --> 0:28:50.600
<v Speaker 1>mentioned on the show before. So I'm just trying to

0:28:50.600 --> 0:28:54.800
<v Speaker 1>figure out where the energy source would come from. Geothermal

0:28:55.120 --> 0:28:58.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, like deep see events. Yeah, it's possible. I

0:28:58.560 --> 0:29:03.600
<v Speaker 1>suppose radiators, it's just what Unfortunately I can't remember where

0:29:03.600 --> 0:29:05.600
<v Speaker 1>I've read that now, and our WiFi is out so

0:29:05.680 --> 0:29:09.080
<v Speaker 1>I can't look it up. Yes, technology, um okay, But

0:29:09.200 --> 0:29:12.920
<v Speaker 1>so speaking of technology, what what about the future? Um?

0:29:12.960 --> 0:29:17.360
<v Speaker 1>Where where is this research going? Well? Recently, in our

0:29:17.560 --> 0:29:21.120
<v Speaker 1>podcast about telescopes, we talked about how some upcoming telescopes

0:29:21.280 --> 0:29:24.440
<v Speaker 1>might really help in the search for exoplanets, especially stuff

0:29:24.480 --> 0:29:26.800
<v Speaker 1>like the James Web Space Telescope, and how that might

0:29:26.920 --> 0:29:30.440
<v Speaker 1>use infrared to teach us a lot about what exoplanets

0:29:30.480 --> 0:29:34.000
<v Speaker 1>are out there, and that's really exciting. Sure, but there

0:29:34.040 --> 0:29:36.520
<v Speaker 1>are also other methods that could be coming up well,

0:29:36.560 --> 0:29:38.719
<v Speaker 1>and some of them are dependent upon things that we

0:29:39.200 --> 0:29:42.959
<v Speaker 1>can't necessarily, ever ever say are going to be you know,

0:29:43.080 --> 0:29:48.600
<v Speaker 1>evident to us, right, like gravitons. That's so you're using

0:29:48.640 --> 0:29:53.400
<v Speaker 1>your hypothetical particle. Friend. Well, you asked a hypothetical question,

0:29:53.520 --> 0:29:57.960
<v Speaker 1>you get a hypothetical answer. So I like all my

0:29:58.080 --> 0:30:04.280
<v Speaker 1>hypothetical friends. They're are the less said about my hypothetical

0:30:04.360 --> 0:30:06.400
<v Speaker 1>friends the better? All right? No, No, the reason why

0:30:06.440 --> 0:30:09.440
<v Speaker 1>I mentioned gravitons is so gravitons, that's that's kind of

0:30:09.440 --> 0:30:13.040
<v Speaker 1>like our placeholder. Yeah, so you have particles that mediate

0:30:13.120 --> 0:30:17.080
<v Speaker 1>the other forces of the universe, like electromagnetic force, Um,

0:30:17.160 --> 0:30:22.120
<v Speaker 1>you have the photon. So gravitons are supposedly the hypothetical

0:30:22.200 --> 0:30:25.280
<v Speaker 1>particle that we think might mediate the force of gravity.

0:30:25.440 --> 0:30:28.360
<v Speaker 1>We've never found this particle if it exists, right, we don't.

0:30:28.360 --> 0:30:31.360
<v Speaker 1>We don't have any way of directly observing that this particle,

0:30:31.480 --> 0:30:34.640
<v Speaker 1>if it does exist so far. But you know, it's

0:30:34.640 --> 0:30:36.440
<v Speaker 1>one of those things that we have kind of to

0:30:36.520 --> 0:30:38.880
<v Speaker 1>make the math work. I mean, that's that's a simple

0:30:38.880 --> 0:30:40.920
<v Speaker 1>way of saying it. But in order for us to

0:30:41.480 --> 0:30:44.320
<v Speaker 1>describe things that are going on, it's a very useful

0:30:44.600 --> 0:30:48.360
<v Speaker 1>hypothetical particle. But if it is a real particle and

0:30:48.400 --> 0:30:51.760
<v Speaker 1>we found a way to detect them, than anything that

0:30:51.840 --> 0:30:55.280
<v Speaker 1>has a gravitational field hypothetically is giving off these gravitons,

0:30:55.320 --> 0:30:57.120
<v Speaker 1>and so if we could observe them, we could observe

0:30:57.200 --> 0:30:59.240
<v Speaker 1>lots of stuff. Yeah, I like to think of it

0:30:59.360 --> 0:31:01.800
<v Speaker 1>like the scene in The Matrix where Neo is suddenly

0:31:01.880 --> 0:31:04.440
<v Speaker 1>able to see the entire world as the series of

0:31:04.440 --> 0:31:07.240
<v Speaker 1>ones and zeros and can actually then manipulate it. We

0:31:07.240 --> 0:31:10.720
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't be able to necessarily manipulate anything through gravitons, but

0:31:11.040 --> 0:31:14.240
<v Speaker 1>we might be able, through this kind of detection process,

0:31:14.280 --> 0:31:17.720
<v Speaker 1>be able to to see the presence of stuff out

0:31:17.760 --> 0:31:20.840
<v Speaker 1>there that we never would have picked up on before.

0:31:20.920 --> 0:31:24.600
<v Speaker 1>It would it would lead to a true explosion of

0:31:25.000 --> 0:31:28.480
<v Speaker 1>discoveries and would be incredibly useful for things like, you know,

0:31:28.560 --> 0:31:33.400
<v Speaker 1>detecting asteroids, things that could potentially cause us lots of issues. Now,

0:31:33.800 --> 0:31:38.480
<v Speaker 1>all of that obviously depends upon a hypothetical particle turning

0:31:38.480 --> 0:31:41.240
<v Speaker 1>out to be a real thing that we can actually

0:31:41.320 --> 0:31:44.880
<v Speaker 1>directly observe, and that may very well never be the case.

0:31:45.400 --> 0:31:48.040
<v Speaker 1>It may always be the case that we only observe

0:31:48.120 --> 0:31:52.240
<v Speaker 1>the effects of gravity through the actual interaction of masses

0:31:52.440 --> 0:31:55.880
<v Speaker 1>in space. It would not be you know, viewing the

0:31:55.920 --> 0:32:01.720
<v Speaker 1>actual particle, hypothetical or otherwise. So it's a huge If

0:32:03.240 --> 0:32:07.520
<v Speaker 1>I have a question, please ask it. We're all talking

0:32:07.560 --> 0:32:11.880
<v Speaker 1>about planets within our own galaxy, the Milky Way, are

0:32:12.080 --> 0:32:16.000
<v Speaker 1>our little neighborhood of the universe. Yeah, I just want

0:32:16.000 --> 0:32:18.960
<v Speaker 1>to make sure I'm correct in assuming that it would

0:32:18.960 --> 0:32:22.120
<v Speaker 1>be absolute madness to think we could detect something as

0:32:22.160 --> 0:32:28.880
<v Speaker 1>small as a planet in another galaxy, right right? No, no, no,

0:32:28.960 --> 0:32:31.920
<v Speaker 1>that is not absolute madness. Is it really possible that

0:32:32.000 --> 0:32:35.120
<v Speaker 1>somebody might be able to detect a planet in, say,

0:32:35.160 --> 0:32:38.160
<v Speaker 1>the closest galaxy to us. Some researchers think that we

0:32:38.280 --> 0:32:42.600
<v Speaker 1>already have whoa tell me about it? WHOA? Indeed? Um? Okay, So,

0:32:42.720 --> 0:32:46.600
<v Speaker 1>remember when I was talking about gravitational micro lensing. Some

0:32:46.680 --> 0:32:50.000
<v Speaker 1>scientists out of the University of Zurich in Switzerland think

0:32:50.000 --> 0:32:53.080
<v Speaker 1>it's possible to use the same method to detect planets

0:32:53.080 --> 0:32:57.520
<v Speaker 1>in Andromeda, being our nearest galactic neighbor. But you know,

0:32:57.680 --> 0:33:01.640
<v Speaker 1>still being more than two million light years away. Um,

0:33:01.840 --> 0:33:04.280
<v Speaker 1>other galaxies. I mean, just so y'all know, I mean

0:33:04.280 --> 0:33:06.560
<v Speaker 1>you might not have a sense of cosmic scale. That's

0:33:06.680 --> 0:33:10.880
<v Speaker 1>so far away. It's not close enough, way way out.

0:33:11.000 --> 0:33:14.040
<v Speaker 1>I mean you might think it's a real walk to

0:33:14.040 --> 0:33:17.040
<v Speaker 1>get down to the chemist, but that's just peanuts compared

0:33:17.080 --> 0:33:20.120
<v Speaker 1>to space. Yeah, it's way too far away for us

0:33:20.160 --> 0:33:24.320
<v Speaker 1>to even pick out individual stars, um, even with our

0:33:24.320 --> 0:33:29.840
<v Speaker 1>most impressive telescopes. So instead of looking at stars here,

0:33:29.920 --> 0:33:33.520
<v Speaker 1>they're looking at pixels, each of which contain the light

0:33:33.600 --> 0:33:37.160
<v Speaker 1>from several stars. And and they can they can use

0:33:37.200 --> 0:33:40.720
<v Speaker 1>that same method of brightening to try to determine when

0:33:40.800 --> 0:33:44.400
<v Speaker 1>weird stuff is happening. You mean, the gravitational micro lens.

0:33:44.440 --> 0:33:49.160
<v Speaker 1>The gravitational micro lensing, right, So, so something something passing

0:33:49.200 --> 0:33:52.200
<v Speaker 1>in front of something else and and causing the light

0:33:52.280 --> 0:33:56.040
<v Speaker 1>of the farther thing to bend and appear more bright. Um.

0:33:56.680 --> 0:34:01.480
<v Speaker 1>The concept of using this two look at other galaxies

0:34:01.560 --> 0:34:05.120
<v Speaker 1>is really pretty young, definitely less than ten years old.

0:34:05.360 --> 0:34:08.759
<v Speaker 1>But um, this group out of Switzerland thinks according to

0:34:08.800 --> 0:34:12.319
<v Speaker 1>their simulations of what this lensing would look like run

0:34:12.440 --> 0:34:17.120
<v Speaker 1>against some previous telescope data from Andromeda that they may

0:34:17.160 --> 0:34:19.719
<v Speaker 1>have actually observed an exit planet way back in two

0:34:19.760 --> 0:34:22.960
<v Speaker 1>thousand four. Um. They suggested at the time that it

0:34:23.000 --> 0:34:26.600
<v Speaker 1>was a binary star, but yeah, yeah, based on on

0:34:27.000 --> 0:34:29.719
<v Speaker 1>the simulation, it might have been a planet some six

0:34:29.800 --> 0:34:33.040
<v Speaker 1>or seven times the massive Jupiter. That is incredible, And

0:34:33.080 --> 0:34:35.960
<v Speaker 1>just think that's like, that's just ten years after the

0:34:36.040 --> 0:34:40.600
<v Speaker 1>first discovery of an exoplanet. Period. Yeah, that's in our galaxy. Now,

0:34:40.640 --> 0:34:43.680
<v Speaker 1>of course that's not confirmed, right, Yeah, And unfortunately there's

0:34:43.719 --> 0:34:46.160
<v Speaker 1>really no way to check it because of all of

0:34:46.160 --> 0:34:49.600
<v Speaker 1>these complex movements of planets and solar systems and galaxies.

0:34:50.239 --> 0:34:53.880
<v Speaker 1>It means that that these lensing events do not repeat. Right.

0:34:53.960 --> 0:34:56.799
<v Speaker 1>We can't just train a telescope on that segment of

0:34:56.880 --> 0:34:59.400
<v Speaker 1>and wait for it to happen again. Yeah, So clearly

0:34:59.440 --> 0:35:01.600
<v Speaker 1>what we have to do send someone out the check

0:35:01.880 --> 0:35:06.040
<v Speaker 1>and come back, uh yeah to two million light years

0:35:06.040 --> 0:35:10.520
<v Speaker 1>away or saying that's that's no big Yeah. Well, uh,

0:35:10.760 --> 0:35:12.719
<v Speaker 1>you know. One of the other things we mentioned was

0:35:12.760 --> 0:35:18.000
<v Speaker 1>this this search for actual extraterrestrial life. But how would

0:35:18.040 --> 0:35:21.239
<v Speaker 1>you look for life on exo planets. I mean, as

0:35:21.280 --> 0:35:23.839
<v Speaker 1>we were saying earlier, you're not going to resolve them

0:35:23.920 --> 0:35:25.360
<v Speaker 1>up to the point where you can look at the

0:35:25.400 --> 0:35:28.360
<v Speaker 1>surface and see little people walking around. You look for

0:35:28.440 --> 0:35:31.280
<v Speaker 1>activity on a Friday night, that's when life is always

0:35:31.320 --> 0:35:36.240
<v Speaker 1>at its most active. No, actually, we're talking about looking

0:35:36.400 --> 0:35:42.040
<v Speaker 1>for bio signatures, which are evidence of things that life

0:35:42.080 --> 0:35:45.000
<v Speaker 1>as we know it generates on a planet. And when

0:35:45.040 --> 0:35:46.600
<v Speaker 1>I again when I say life as we know it,

0:35:46.600 --> 0:35:49.080
<v Speaker 1>we're talking about the sample size of one planet. But

0:35:49.200 --> 0:35:51.759
<v Speaker 1>we know at least this is one way it could work, Yes,

0:35:52.280 --> 0:35:55.480
<v Speaker 1>and we know that there are certain things that are

0:35:55.600 --> 0:35:58.040
<v Speaker 1>likely to have been made by something that was alive

0:35:58.320 --> 0:36:01.080
<v Speaker 1>versus something that was not a life like there's some

0:36:01.200 --> 0:36:04.160
<v Speaker 1>gases that we could detect, but we wouldn't necessarily know

0:36:04.200 --> 0:36:06.400
<v Speaker 1>if it came from an organic life form or a

0:36:06.440 --> 0:36:11.040
<v Speaker 1>geological event, right, So, so those would be problematic. Even

0:36:11.080 --> 0:36:13.960
<v Speaker 1>if we detected it, we could never say, for not

0:36:14.040 --> 0:36:16.799
<v Speaker 1>even with any degree of certainty, that it came from

0:36:16.840 --> 0:36:19.880
<v Speaker 1>life forms, because it could have come from some other source. Sure,

0:36:20.000 --> 0:36:24.520
<v Speaker 1>but one example would be oxygen, because it's not natural

0:36:24.719 --> 0:36:27.239
<v Speaker 1>for Earth to have oxygen. If y'all didn't know this,

0:36:27.600 --> 0:36:30.880
<v Speaker 1>Earth is not naturally an oxygen planet. The oxygen in

0:36:30.880 --> 0:36:35.880
<v Speaker 1>our atmosphere is largely a byproduct of life on Earth exactly,

0:36:35.880 --> 0:36:38.160
<v Speaker 1>So oxygen would be one of those biosignatures we would

0:36:38.160 --> 0:36:40.920
<v Speaker 1>look for. There are other ones as well, but these

0:36:40.960 --> 0:36:43.799
<v Speaker 1>are the sort of things that we would try and detect. Now,

0:36:44.280 --> 0:36:47.359
<v Speaker 1>then the question becomes, hey, how do you find out

0:36:48.000 --> 0:36:52.400
<v Speaker 1>that that planet that's really far away has oxygen on it?

0:36:52.440 --> 0:36:54.759
<v Speaker 1>I mean, that doesn't really answer our question. Can lean

0:36:54.800 --> 0:36:57.479
<v Speaker 1>out and try to breathe it? Nope. So the way

0:36:57.520 --> 0:37:02.160
<v Speaker 1>we detect biosignatures is through spectral analysis, again using spectrometers,

0:37:02.160 --> 0:37:05.080
<v Speaker 1>looking at the color of light that's coming off of

0:37:05.160 --> 0:37:08.880
<v Speaker 1>being you know, reflected off of that planet. So, uh,

0:37:08.880 --> 0:37:11.200
<v Speaker 1>when we do that, when we look at the light

0:37:11.239 --> 0:37:14.920
<v Speaker 1>that we can see coming from these planets being reflected

0:37:14.920 --> 0:37:17.520
<v Speaker 1>off of them, obviously they're not emitting the light themselves.

0:37:17.960 --> 0:37:20.799
<v Speaker 1>Then you start to work backwards and say, all right, well,

0:37:20.840 --> 0:37:24.200
<v Speaker 1>what ingredients had to be there for these particular wavelengths

0:37:24.200 --> 0:37:26.920
<v Speaker 1>of light to make it to us? Right? Because different

0:37:26.960 --> 0:37:30.239
<v Speaker 1>types of atoms will reflect light at different wavelengths and

0:37:30.280 --> 0:37:33.600
<v Speaker 1>they will absorb other wavelengths, right, So you would expect

0:37:33.680 --> 0:37:36.320
<v Speaker 1>to see an absence of certain ones with the presence

0:37:36.360 --> 0:37:40.120
<v Speaker 1>of certain gases. And because that's predictable, you know, a

0:37:40.400 --> 0:37:43.640
<v Speaker 1>particular gas is always going to absorb the same wavelengths

0:37:43.640 --> 0:37:46.920
<v Speaker 1>of light. Then we can start to work backwards that way.

0:37:47.040 --> 0:37:50.200
<v Speaker 1>So we've really looked for the dominant biosignatures that we

0:37:50.239 --> 0:37:53.080
<v Speaker 1>found on Earth, because that's again what we have we

0:37:53.160 --> 0:37:55.399
<v Speaker 1>know to work with. There may very well be other

0:37:55.440 --> 0:37:57.560
<v Speaker 1>types of life out there that are very different from

0:37:57.600 --> 0:37:59.719
<v Speaker 1>what we see on Earth, but because we have an

0:38:00.000 --> 0:38:02.160
<v Speaker 1>honored them, we can't know what to look for in

0:38:02.200 --> 0:38:05.560
<v Speaker 1>that case. So it becomes kind of a cyclical problem.

0:38:05.840 --> 0:38:08.560
<v Speaker 1>So we're looking specifically for stuff that is similar to

0:38:08.640 --> 0:38:11.200
<v Speaker 1>what we see here on Earth. Okay, So I want

0:38:11.239 --> 0:38:13.520
<v Speaker 1>to talk about one more thing and follow up on

0:38:13.600 --> 0:38:17.200
<v Speaker 1>that question we had earlier about colonizing exo planets, because

0:38:17.239 --> 0:38:19.520
<v Speaker 1>this comes up a lot when people talk about exoplanets.

0:38:19.560 --> 0:38:21.719
<v Speaker 1>We got to find the habitable exo planet, you know,

0:38:21.760 --> 0:38:24.040
<v Speaker 1>where's the one we could go live out our our

0:38:24.160 --> 0:38:29.160
<v Speaker 1>our peaceful retirement in the galaxy. I don't know how

0:38:29.239 --> 0:38:31.640
<v Speaker 1>realistic that is, and I don't want to be a

0:38:31.719 --> 0:38:36.160
<v Speaker 1>naysayer because who knows what kind of spacecraft and and

0:38:36.200 --> 0:38:38.840
<v Speaker 1>propulsion systems will come up with in the future. But

0:38:39.000 --> 0:38:42.839
<v Speaker 1>based on the kinds of spacecraft we have today, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not sure that that's a realistic thing to talk about. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so what are your objections here, Joe? I mean, what's

0:38:49.320 --> 0:38:51.960
<v Speaker 1>what's the issue? Are you just think we don't have

0:38:52.000 --> 0:38:55.080
<v Speaker 1>a style and enough ride? Yeah, what does a fast

0:38:55.160 --> 0:38:58.000
<v Speaker 1>moving human spacecraft look like? Well, we could look at

0:38:58.080 --> 0:39:01.560
<v Speaker 1>Voyager one. It is like a one ton object that's

0:39:01.600 --> 0:39:04.640
<v Speaker 1>fleeing our Solar system very very fast. It's one of

0:39:04.640 --> 0:39:08.400
<v Speaker 1>the fastest things. I think it is currently the the

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<v Speaker 1>fastest spacecraft. Um, so we may have had something that

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<v Speaker 1>that I think was a little bit faster spiraling into

0:39:15.520 --> 0:39:18.600
<v Speaker 1>the Sun, but right right now it's going very fast

0:39:18.640 --> 0:39:21.000
<v Speaker 1>and we don't necessarily want to do the spiral into

0:39:21.040 --> 0:39:25.160
<v Speaker 1>the Sun. Well, it got a boost, and this wasn't

0:39:25.200 --> 0:39:28.960
<v Speaker 1>just drive systems. It got a very lucky boost by

0:39:29.000 --> 0:39:33.000
<v Speaker 1>doing swing buys of Jupiter and Saturn, which sped it

0:39:33.080 --> 0:39:36.399
<v Speaker 1>up significantly. It took advantage of their gravity to get

0:39:36.840 --> 0:39:40.640
<v Speaker 1>itself thrown out into space. There their gravity in their

0:39:40.640 --> 0:39:43.080
<v Speaker 1>own orbits. Yeah, kind of slingshot up right out. Yeah,

0:39:43.080 --> 0:39:46.040
<v Speaker 1>the old star trek methodology and going back in time. Right,

0:39:46.080 --> 0:39:49.600
<v Speaker 1>so it's going more than thirty five thousand miles per hour,

0:39:49.800 --> 0:39:52.319
<v Speaker 1>which is really fast. I've even seen some figures putting

0:39:52.360 --> 0:39:55.440
<v Speaker 1>it closer to forty miles per hour today. I'm not

0:39:55.480 --> 0:39:58.560
<v Speaker 1>sure I've seen different figures, but let's just round up

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<v Speaker 1>for simplicity and say you had a crew full of

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<v Speaker 1>colonists who are in a spacecraft heading out from Earth

0:40:04.680 --> 0:40:07.799
<v Speaker 1>at fifty thousand miles per hour. I did a little

0:40:07.840 --> 0:40:10.320
<v Speaker 1>math with the help of Google and Wolf from Alpha,

0:40:10.760 --> 0:40:12.960
<v Speaker 1>to see how long it would take to get to

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<v Speaker 1>an exo planet. So I looked at Glies six sixty

0:40:16.880 --> 0:40:19.240
<v Speaker 1>seven c C, which is one of the ones they've

0:40:19.239 --> 0:40:20.840
<v Speaker 1>held up, is sort of one of the one of

0:40:20.840 --> 0:40:25.120
<v Speaker 1>the really cool looking, possibly habitable planets. It's about twenty

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<v Speaker 1>two light years away, so it's one of the closer ones.

0:40:28.760 --> 0:40:31.280
<v Speaker 1>One light year is about five point eight seven eight

0:40:31.520 --> 0:40:36.600
<v Speaker 1>times ten to the twelve miles. That's that's very very far.

0:40:36.719 --> 0:40:38.520
<v Speaker 1>And that's that's just one light year. You said this

0:40:38.560 --> 0:40:40.960
<v Speaker 1>one was twenty two lights. Twenty two light years is

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<v Speaker 1>one point twenty nine times ten to the fourteen miles,

0:40:44.360 --> 0:40:47.920
<v Speaker 1>or about a hundred and twenty nine trillion miles. Okay,

0:40:47.920 --> 0:40:50.400
<v Speaker 1>so then you take a hundred twenty nine trillion miles

0:40:50.400 --> 0:40:53.680
<v Speaker 1>divided by are you using the generous speed or the

0:40:55.160 --> 0:40:57.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm using the super generous fifty thousand miles per hour,

0:40:57.719 --> 0:41:00.520
<v Speaker 1>which is about four hundred and thirty eight million miles

0:41:00.520 --> 0:41:03.560
<v Speaker 1>per year. A fifty miles per hour, it would take

0:41:03.760 --> 0:41:07.360
<v Speaker 1>two hundred nine thousand, three hundred and twenty five years

0:41:07.360 --> 0:41:11.880
<v Speaker 1>to reach this exo planet I just mentioned. That's longer

0:41:11.920 --> 0:41:16.000
<v Speaker 1>than Homo sapiens has been a species. So so there's

0:41:16.000 --> 0:41:20.439
<v Speaker 1>no telling what what the inhabitants of said spaceship would

0:41:20.480 --> 0:41:23.200
<v Speaker 1>be by the time they reached this exo planet. My

0:41:23.239 --> 0:41:26.040
<v Speaker 1>thought was, at that point, you're not you're not actually

0:41:26.040 --> 0:41:30.040
<v Speaker 1>colonizing the planet. You're colonizing the spacecraft itself, right, and

0:41:30.080 --> 0:41:31.759
<v Speaker 1>you're probably the face of bow by the time you

0:41:31.800 --> 0:41:36.840
<v Speaker 1>get there. So yeah, humans would essentially evolve to favor

0:41:36.880 --> 0:41:40.800
<v Speaker 1>the conditions of the spacecraft before they reached the new planet.

0:41:40.840 --> 0:41:42.560
<v Speaker 1>By the time they got there, they might not want

0:41:42.600 --> 0:41:44.960
<v Speaker 1>the planet. They might just need to live on the spacecraft.

0:41:44.960 --> 0:41:48.200
<v Speaker 1>They might be afraid of the planet. So the moral

0:41:48.239 --> 0:41:50.440
<v Speaker 1>of the story to me is that unless we invent

0:41:50.719 --> 0:41:54.879
<v Speaker 1>much much faster spacecraft that can travel faster than light,

0:41:55.000 --> 0:41:57.960
<v Speaker 1>or at least some really significant fraction of the speed

0:41:58.000 --> 0:42:01.640
<v Speaker 1>of light, exo planet colonization and is just off the table.

0:42:01.680 --> 0:42:03.680
<v Speaker 1>Like if you were able to get close enough so

0:42:03.719 --> 0:42:08.560
<v Speaker 1>that you're talking about a generation or maybe two generations

0:42:08.600 --> 0:42:11.319
<v Speaker 1>of people to get to the closest exoplanet, I could

0:42:11.320 --> 0:42:15.280
<v Speaker 1>see that being a possible. Yeah, but if you're talking

0:42:15.920 --> 0:42:20.200
<v Speaker 1>longer than humans have been human, then that is an

0:42:20.200 --> 0:42:23.560
<v Speaker 1>issue totally. Yeah, it's not a really good Plan B.

0:42:23.920 --> 0:42:29.560
<v Speaker 1>That's maybe a Plan X or Plan data Alpha. Well,

0:42:29.840 --> 0:42:32.920
<v Speaker 1>what this comes down to is basically, if you're thinking,

0:42:33.080 --> 0:42:36.399
<v Speaker 1>oh no, we're about to use up Earth, you either

0:42:36.480 --> 0:42:39.080
<v Speaker 1>need to figure out how to tear aform Mars, or

0:42:39.120 --> 0:42:42.680
<v Speaker 1>you need to invent some spacecraft that can travel near

0:42:42.880 --> 0:42:44.879
<v Speaker 1>or faster than the speed of light, or you got

0:42:44.920 --> 0:42:48.799
<v Speaker 1>to figure out how to stop using up Earth exactly right. No,

0:42:48.920 --> 0:42:50.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm taking it as a given. And you're like, we're

0:42:50.640 --> 0:42:55.880
<v Speaker 1>not going to stop, can't stop, cann't stop, won't stop

0:42:56.400 --> 0:43:01.000
<v Speaker 1>to say, black Fridays around the corner. Let the good

0:43:01.040 --> 0:43:04.960
<v Speaker 1>times roll right right right? All right, So so maybe

0:43:05.000 --> 0:43:08.560
<v Speaker 1>that's not our super best option, right No, I actually

0:43:08.600 --> 0:43:11.080
<v Speaker 1>I agree entirely with what you said. I mean, it's

0:43:11.160 --> 0:43:13.000
<v Speaker 1>it's a no brain or the smartest thing to do

0:43:13.080 --> 0:43:14.799
<v Speaker 1>is to make use of the resources we have in

0:43:14.840 --> 0:43:18.520
<v Speaker 1>a smarter way. But but but that's easier said than done, obviously,

0:43:18.719 --> 0:43:21.239
<v Speaker 1>but not Nonetheless, it would be really cool for us

0:43:21.280 --> 0:43:24.480
<v Speaker 1>to find some potentially habitable planets and uh, you know,

0:43:24.560 --> 0:43:27.040
<v Speaker 1>like send him a Facebook message like saying like, hey, guys,

0:43:27.120 --> 0:43:30.000
<v Speaker 1>what's up. Yeah, that was actually one of the things

0:43:30.000 --> 0:43:32.000
<v Speaker 1>I was thinking of. Two is that it you know,

0:43:32.000 --> 0:43:36.360
<v Speaker 1>discovering these exoplanets and finding candidates that could potentially support

0:43:36.400 --> 0:43:40.160
<v Speaker 1>life might mean that we don't ever you know, inhabit

0:43:40.200 --> 0:43:42.560
<v Speaker 1>them ourselves, because they're so far away that to get

0:43:42.560 --> 0:43:46.919
<v Speaker 1>there would have this prohibitively long journey. But maybe if

0:43:46.960 --> 0:43:50.799
<v Speaker 1>we do discover one that has intelligent life on it,

0:43:51.320 --> 0:43:55.560
<v Speaker 1>that we could one day communicate was said intelligent life. Um.

0:43:55.680 --> 0:43:59.560
<v Speaker 1>And keeping in mind this communication would still take an

0:43:59.560 --> 0:44:02.400
<v Speaker 1>incredly long time because even traveling traveling at the speed

0:44:02.400 --> 0:44:05.239
<v Speaker 1>of light, like your example that you had, Joe, that's

0:44:05.239 --> 0:44:08.799
<v Speaker 1>twenty two years between messages. I send a message out

0:44:09.080 --> 0:44:11.040
<v Speaker 1>I have that, I'm gonna wait twenty two years before

0:44:11.080 --> 0:44:13.560
<v Speaker 1>it even gets to the person I texted, and then

0:44:13.600 --> 0:44:16.840
<v Speaker 1>I have to wait for them to you know, the

0:44:16.960 --> 0:44:20.600
<v Speaker 1>message and the winky smiley face twenty two more years

0:44:20.640 --> 0:44:22.799
<v Speaker 1>for me to get the winkie smiley face. By then,

0:44:23.640 --> 0:44:26.080
<v Speaker 1>the movie I was trying to see has already left

0:44:26.080 --> 0:44:29.680
<v Speaker 1>the theater, so it's just not the But but this

0:44:29.760 --> 0:44:32.000
<v Speaker 1>is one of those ways where we could potentially actually

0:44:32.000 --> 0:44:37.400
<v Speaker 1>have a communication with with another intelligent species. But that

0:44:37.480 --> 0:44:41.839
<v Speaker 1>would one depend on they're actually being one out there too.

0:44:41.920 --> 0:44:44.279
<v Speaker 1>We'd have to find it, and then three we'd have

0:44:44.280 --> 0:44:46.680
<v Speaker 1>to be able to send some sort of communication that

0:44:46.680 --> 0:44:49.680
<v Speaker 1>they could identify as communication, and four we'd have to

0:44:49.719 --> 0:44:51.920
<v Speaker 1>agree that that's a smart thing to do. Well, if

0:44:51.920 --> 0:44:55.040
<v Speaker 1>they're that far away, it's not really likely that they're

0:44:55.040 --> 0:44:58.719
<v Speaker 1>going to catch up to us anytime soon, unless at

0:44:58.800 --> 0:45:01.800
<v Speaker 1>least twenty two years to work at the at the

0:45:01.960 --> 0:45:05.600
<v Speaker 1>very least, and more likely three hundred thousand years to

0:45:05.719 --> 0:45:09.080
<v Speaker 1>work with. So I think if you've got three hundred

0:45:09.080 --> 0:45:11.239
<v Speaker 1>thousand years to work with, you you could really say, like,

0:45:11.640 --> 0:45:14.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty sure by the time they get to wherever

0:45:14.560 --> 0:45:19.160
<v Speaker 1>we are, we will be able to handle it. We've

0:45:19.200 --> 0:45:22.840
<v Speaker 1>been training for three hundred thousand years for this, so

0:45:23.200 --> 0:45:26.439
<v Speaker 1>at any rate. It was an interesting discussion and it

0:45:26.480 --> 0:45:30.560
<v Speaker 1>was really interesting to learn how how scientists are detecting

0:45:30.560 --> 0:45:33.200
<v Speaker 1>these exo plants I've always heard about it kind of

0:45:33.280 --> 0:45:37.440
<v Speaker 1>in passing whenever a new discovery comes around, but I

0:45:37.560 --> 0:45:41.240
<v Speaker 1>never really looked into it seriously on a deeper level.

0:45:41.320 --> 0:45:44.799
<v Speaker 1>And it's truly as an amazing field and I can't

0:45:44.800 --> 0:45:47.640
<v Speaker 1>wait to learn more about it just because I mean, again,

0:45:48.320 --> 0:45:51.359
<v Speaker 1>bottom line, we're learning more about how our universe works,

0:45:51.360 --> 0:45:55.120
<v Speaker 1>which is always cool. So any final thoughts, guys on

0:45:55.200 --> 0:45:58.880
<v Speaker 1>exo Planets, do you want to talk about Planet Pooplon

0:46:01.440 --> 0:46:10.160
<v Speaker 1>No Populonula poople on because it's it's planet. You're messing

0:46:10.200 --> 0:46:14.520
<v Speaker 1>my head up now, Jonathan, No, shout out to all

0:46:14.560 --> 0:46:17.879
<v Speaker 1>the puppies on Planet Populan. Your planet is the best one.

0:46:17.920 --> 0:46:21.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure. If if anyone in our galaxy gets preserved,

0:46:21.680 --> 0:46:24.160
<v Speaker 1>I hope it's that one. All right, that's fair. I'm

0:46:24.160 --> 0:46:26.160
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0:46:26.200 --> 0:46:28.960
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0:46:29.400 --> 0:46:32.719
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