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Speaker 1: Wake that answer up in the morning, The Breakfast Club Morning.

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Speaker 2: Everybody is the j n V.

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Speaker 3: Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne the guy. We are the Breakfast Club.

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Speaker 3: You got a special guest in the building. Indeed, the

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Speaker 3: seventeenth season on Air, Ladies and Gentlemen, Steve Wilcals, Welcome

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Speaker 3: back again.

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Speaker 4: How are you? I'm great? What're you coming from Connecticut?

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Speaker 2: Okay, so it wasn't that long.

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Speaker 4: No, I mean, you know it's not great, but as

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Speaker 4: long as the car is moving, I'm yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: You're celebrating your thirtieth year in television. Like on television.

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Speaker 5: I know you started as Jerry Springer's bodyguard and actually

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Speaker 5: the producer on The Jerry Springer Show.

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Speaker 2: Right, what did you produce.

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Speaker 4: The no No No.

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Speaker 2: Name and the credits on a couple of episodes?

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Speaker 4: Well, on my show, I'm an executive producer.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, I know.

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Speaker 4: But that's I don't produce. That's just uh, you know,

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Speaker 4: they give you the title because if my show ever

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Speaker 4: won an Emmy, if I was an executive pducer, I

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Speaker 4: want to get an Emmy. That's why they do it.

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Speaker 4: So I have nothing to do with the producing of

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Speaker 4: the show. But I started on the Spring show. I

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Speaker 4: was a Chicago cop. Yeah. They just hired some cops

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Speaker 4: to do security and I happened to be one of them,

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Speaker 4: and thirty years later, I'm still here. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Did you ever expect your career to end up like No,

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Speaker 2: I was.

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Speaker 4: Going to be policeman. Like my dad was a Chicago

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Speaker 4: policeman for thirty years and he retired, and that's what

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Speaker 4: I was going to do, you know, just pay a cop,

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Speaker 4: get my pension, and retire. But I kind of like

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Speaker 4: the way it worked out.

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Speaker 3: So you to retire on a job.

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Speaker 4: You know, I had twelve years and I could have

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Speaker 4: got a pension, but I pulled it, and you know,

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Speaker 4: just twelve years was long enough.

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Speaker 3: Actually, did you have to really contemplate like do I

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Speaker 3: leave this where I could go or do I wait

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Speaker 3: twelve years I get my pension. It was good for

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Speaker 3: the rest of my life.

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Speaker 4: It was difficult because you know, when I left, I

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Speaker 4: had no idea. I left in two thousand and one

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Speaker 4: and I got my show in two thousand and seven,

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Speaker 4: so I never knew I was going to get my

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Speaker 4: own TV show. I mean, that was crazy even to think.

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Speaker 4: But my wife, who's my executive producer became the execut

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Speaker 4: producer Jerry Springer. I actually came home one night and

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Speaker 4: I was covered in blood in my police uniform. And

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Speaker 4: she goes, this is crazy, man. You need to you

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Speaker 4: know she and she said, listen, when the Springer shows over,

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Speaker 4: we're not staying work living on your policeman cellar. She goes,

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Speaker 4: I'm a TV producer. We're going to go to LA

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Speaker 4: or New York and I'm going to be a TV producer.

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Speaker 4: You'll find something to do. And I said yeah. And

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Speaker 4: at that point, I was kind of burnt out being

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Speaker 4: everything and getting hurt. So I was like, okay, I'm

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Speaker 4: okay with that. When did you really start making money?

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Speaker 4: Ay thirty the TV? At what point did you realize? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: So in ninety four when I started, I was like

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Speaker 4: an hourly guy. Then the next year they wanted me there,

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Speaker 4: then I think it was ninety seven they gave me

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Speaker 4: a contract for seventy five thousand dollars. So that's a

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Speaker 4: part time job, you know, And I was making I

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Speaker 4: was like six months later they toret a contract contract

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Speaker 4: because the show was just rocking, And uh so, I

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Speaker 4: And uh so, I guess that was when it really started.

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Speaker 4: And then after that then I kept climbing, and then

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Speaker 1: I had the second longest running syndicated daytime talk show

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Speaker 1: in current production Jesus, and.

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Speaker 4: I wish all those people that laughed in my face

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Speaker 4: in LA when I did the media tour, like they

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Speaker 4: were just dogging me man, like Jerry Springer's guy, he's

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Speaker 4: not gonna last thirteen weeks because back then it was

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Speaker 4: thirteen week pickups and they're like, you're not gonna last

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Speaker 4: thirteen weeks, and I'm like, okay, we'll see. You know,

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Speaker 4: thirty years in TV straight, we're never missing a paycheck

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Speaker 1: So what's the key to the success, though, Well, A

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Speaker 1: tooth question is a two four question, what's the key

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Speaker 1: to success and what did you learn learn from Jerry

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Speaker 1: because he had a long career.

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, and I'm not trying to sound like,

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Speaker 4: you know, like I didn't learn anything from Joy, but

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Speaker 4: there was nothing to learn from Jerry's show because we

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Speaker 4: do a completely different show. Right. There's a lot of

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Speaker 4: things I learned from Jerry, like being professional, showing up

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Speaker 4: on time, being always ready. And he said, hey, man,

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Speaker 4: when you got don't try to be like me or

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Speaker 4: the show. Just do your own thing and you'll be fine.

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Speaker 4: The really secret of my success is my wife. And

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Speaker 4: I say that, and you know, I'm not just a

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Speaker 4: husband saying about his wife. You know, if it wasn't

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Speaker 4: for my wife, I wouldn't be sitting here right now.

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Speaker 4: And that's the truth, because you know, I had my

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Speaker 4: you know all that, Like she stuck with me through

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Speaker 4: that pulled me out of it. You know, I was

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Speaker 4: going through things. And but even like she knows how

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Speaker 4: to produce me on my show, she knows how to

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Speaker 4: do a lot of things. She kept the Springer Show

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Speaker 4: got the best executive producer on TV, so truthfully and

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Speaker 4: she and she knows me, she lets me be me.

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Speaker 4: The first two years of my show were terrible. I

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Speaker 4: was produced in a way that was just I hated

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Speaker 4: And they that person left and my wife took over,

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Speaker 4: and thank god, because I wouldn't. I definitely would not

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Speaker 4: be on there than nepotism. No, they did not want

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Speaker 4: to give my wife the show because she was the

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Speaker 4: EP of Springer. You know when this when Richard Donnoic

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Speaker 4: left the Springer Show, they promoted my wife VP. They

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Speaker 4: the job, my wife's doing it, and the rings he goes, yeah, okay,

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Speaker 4: we're going to give your wife, and that was it. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So she's the key to the success. Clear she is

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Speaker 5: Did you guys ever have any fallouts about you not

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Speaker 2: Of course?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, uh you know. There was like she would do

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Speaker 4: I don't know what it is. I don't like it.

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Speaker 4: I feel like I can't relate the kids. You know,

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Speaker 4: I'm not gonna lie, and but my wife, I just

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Speaker 4: it'll be over in twenty minutes and white complain.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the last week you reported the Steve Wolkals was

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Speaker 3: in the Just with the Mess right.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you had taken to social media because you watched

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Speaker 5: the Wendy Williams.

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Speaker 2: Like and I just you know, wanted to know in person,

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Speaker 4: I think like when when I was going through my

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Speaker 4: She's not ready to do anything, man, come on, you know,

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Speaker 1: But you know, God bless the dead Jerry's bringer, Like

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Speaker 4: Kyle seeing back with the Romans, you know, feed the

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Speaker 4: Christians to the Lions, because that's that was kind of

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Speaker 4: the atmosphere and the Spanish studios back then.

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Speaker 3: You remember the first time you got recognized in the public,

437
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Speaker 3: when he was like, wow, I'm on.

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Speaker 4: I remember walking out of the studio and the first

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Speaker 4: time a kid asked me for my autograph because this

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Speaker 4: was before cell phones and you know, I'm sure a

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Speaker 4: lot of your listeners can't even imagine that. There wasn't

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Speaker 4: no cell phones back then. But he asked me for

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Speaker 4: my autograph, and I said, dude, why would you want

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Speaker 4: my autograph? You know, I was like Noah, He's like,

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Speaker 4: oh please. You know, I said, okay, here you go,

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Speaker 4: and and that was kind of like the first time

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Speaker 4: I'm like, man, I guess I'm a part of this show.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 1: All of that led to all of that had to

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Speaker 1: lead to you get in your own shoulder, Like they

451
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Speaker 1: had to be some producers back there, like yo, Steven

452
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Speaker 1: really parting.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if that was the case. I think

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Speaker 4: what really cemented. It was when Jerry went on Dancing

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Speaker 4: with the Stars, and you know, because I was a

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Speaker 4: big part of the show. So when he went on

457
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Speaker 4: Dance with the Stars, they said, we can't shut the

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Speaker 4: production of the show down. He'll probably be gone a week.

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Speaker 4: You know, he's terrible. He'll get voted off right away. Well,

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Speaker 4: and back then, we'd take three days a week and

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Speaker 4: we would do two shows each day, so six shows

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Speaker 4: a week. I did all six and then they miss

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Speaker 4: they you know, underestimated Jerry because audience loved Jerry and

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Speaker 4: they kept voting him to stay on. So I think

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Speaker 4: he was on six weeks. I ended up doing thirty shows.

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Speaker 4: And when those thirty shows are, they rade it really well.

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Speaker 4: So I don't think anybody was sitting around going, hey,

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Speaker 4: let's give this guy a show. I think a lot

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Speaker 4: of them looked at me like he's he's a cop

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Speaker 4: who cares. But when when I did all those shows

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Speaker 4: and they rate it well, then somebody said, hey, let's

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Speaker 4: give this guy shows on Monday. So Jerry would tape Monday,

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Speaker 4: Tuesday Wednesday, he'd come in and do Tuesday Wednesday. I

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Speaker 4: would do Monday shows and then after that I got

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Speaker 4: a phone call and said, hey, we're giving you your

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Speaker 4: own show.

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Speaker 1: Oh that person got a raise.

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Speaker 4: Damage they didn't give me one. They barely paid me

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Speaker 4: a little more than when I was making on the

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Speaker 4: Spader Show. I was like, this is crazy, man. Like, first,

481
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Speaker 4: the first offer was less than what I was making,

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Speaker 4: so I don't think anybody even knew what I was

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Speaker 4: making on the Sprayer and so I was like, that's

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Speaker 4: less than what I'm making now and I'm gonna make glad.

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Speaker 4: I said no, So they gave me a little one. So, yeah,

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Speaker 4: that first year was kind of rough.

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Speaker 1: You said, you and Jerry used to talk politics, So

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Speaker 1: being that this is an election year, is that something

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Speaker 1: that we might see in the seventeenth season.

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Speaker 4: No, No, No, we've never talked politics on the show.

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Speaker 4: I mean we you know, when you're on the air

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Speaker 4: so long, because people like when I'll come September, I'll

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Speaker 4: be doing the big media, you know for season eighteen,

494
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:26,959
Speaker 4: and everybody saying, oh, you know, is there any changes

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Speaker 4: coming up for the season, And answer is no, because

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Speaker 4: when you've been on this line, people tune in to

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Speaker 4: expect a certain show light of Tuck to touch the

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Speaker 4: DNA touch, So you're not gonna fool Like people always

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Speaker 4: said to me, Well, why does moy do DNA every

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Speaker 4: day I go because people watch? Yeah, like, you know,

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Speaker 4: don't mess around with it.

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Speaker 3: I was gonna ask what you being an ex police officer,

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Speaker 3: what do you think about how the world is taking

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Speaker 3: towards cops now? Like things have changed right now with

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Speaker 3: bail reform. You know, criminals are getting out faster. It

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Speaker 3: feels like cops are scared now to do anything before

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Speaker 3: everything's on camera.

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Speaker 4: Well when they I think in New York, didn't they

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Speaker 4: take away their immunity like you can be personally sued, right, yeah? Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I mean you know we didn't have that when I

511
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Speaker 4: was a cop, And I mean, who's gonna jeopardize, you know,

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Speaker 4: their financial wellbeing to you know, listen, I think I'll

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Speaker 4: put it this way. When I was coming out of

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Speaker 4: the Marines in nineteen eighty nine, I wanted to be

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Speaker 4: a cop, just like my dad. And it was a

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Speaker 4: good job, you know, like you got pension benefits, all

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Speaker 4: this stuff. If I was coming out of the Marines today,

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Speaker 4: I would never take that job, not in a millionaires. So,

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think policemen really are It's not a

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Speaker 4: good job. You know, you fight all the time, and

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Speaker 4: like you said, you make arrest and people are back

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Speaker 4: out on the street, especially here in New York and

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Speaker 4: Chicago's the same way, so you know it's not a

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Speaker 4: good job.

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Speaker 1: Do you have a timetable on when you want the

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Speaker 1: show to run?

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Speaker 4: Its course? I love doing the show, and you know,

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Speaker 4: I'm only sixty. God, I was thirty when I started

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Speaker 4: on TV. But yeah, okay, yeah, it is Come on, man,

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Speaker 4: when you say sixty, see you don't think it's old

531
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Speaker 4: because you're not there yet. When you become sixty, it's

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Speaker 4: alms old and it is old, you know. But so

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Speaker 4: they answer your question is I love doing the show.

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Speaker 4: I enjoy it. It provides me with a great life,

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Speaker 4: so I don't. I'm never gonna say I'm gonna quit.

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Speaker 4: But you know, TV's changing, It's it's difficult and it's

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Speaker 4: tough now, you know, and now they're exploring all these

538
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Speaker 4: different avenues to bring revenue into the show. But I

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Speaker 4: would definitely like to hit twenty. I' mean at seventeen,

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Speaker 4: I'm going to season eighteen. Nice round number twenty. If

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Speaker 4: it would go longer, I guess I would do it,

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Speaker 4: you know, because I just finished taping last Wednesday and

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Speaker 4: now I won't go back to work until last week

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Speaker 4: in August, so I get very quest Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I do have one last question. I'll look at

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Speaker 1: doctor Phil right, and people say doctor Phil went from

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Speaker 1: fixing release problems and focusing on fixing America's problems, like

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Speaker 1: we saw him at the border and things like that.

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Speaker 4: Do you what do you think of it? I you know,

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Speaker 4: it's funny you say that because I just saw him

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Speaker 4: on the view talking about how COVID affected kids, and

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Speaker 4: the women on the view are like, oh, well, you know,

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Speaker 4: we saved kids from you know, getting COVID, and he's like,

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Speaker 4: hey man, kids weren't getting COVID anyway, you know, you know,

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Speaker 4: and we really hurt our children by not having them

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Speaker 4: in school. And he made a great point when I

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Speaker 4: never even thought about kids that were in bad situations

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Speaker 4: and now we weren't following up on them, like kids

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Speaker 4: that were being molested or abused at home, all these

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Speaker 4: you know, agencies that were responsible for that, We're sending

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Speaker 4: them into the home being constantly with the abuser. And

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Speaker 4: so I thought he made a really wonderful point. And

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Speaker 4: so I think doctor Phil is. You know, he first

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Speaker 4: of all, he was a very educated guy, right, I

565
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Speaker 4: think he's a very smart guy. So I just thought

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Speaker 4: that was really a great point, and he was making

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Speaker 4: some really good points about how kids we've hurt them

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Speaker 4: with their development. Teen suicides, you know, just went through

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Speaker 4: the roof with this pandemic. Because I don't know how

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Speaker 4: you guys reacted to it, but you know, just being

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Speaker 4: home all the time in the same spot, not going out,

572
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Speaker 4: everybody fearful, that's tough on your psyche, you know. And

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Speaker 4: so like with kids were they weren't getting COVID, they

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Speaker 4: weren't really you know, a risk. We should have been

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Speaker 4: sending back to school and getting out there and socializing

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Speaker 4: and everything else. So I had a lot of respect

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Speaker 4: for doctor Phil for doing that. And listen, he he

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Speaker 4: has the platform where he can make that change. I

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Speaker 4: don't have that platform, you don't know, No, not with

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Speaker 4: my show, you know, and doctor Phil, I think it's

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Speaker 4: a good move for him, and I enjoy listening to him.

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Speaker 1: You don't think they would accept something like that from

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Speaker 1: you if you decided.

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Speaker 4: Not on my show, I'd have to have a I'd

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Speaker 4: have to have a different platform other than my show,

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Speaker 4: my show, my fans, I don't think would be down.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you have a very set for yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and then you know people like it and I

589
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Speaker 4: just it wouldn't be good.

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Speaker 1: Clearly it works man seventeen seasons.

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Speaker 3: Congratulations, congratulations, that's right, the Steve wilk O Show in

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Speaker 3: his seventeenth season, and thank you for joining us again.

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Speaker 5: One second, what is your skin regimen? You do not

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Speaker 5: look like a six to zero white man.

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Speaker 4: You do not. I'm sorry, I shave, I don't do

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Speaker 4: any like. You know, my old publicist, Gary Rosen, he

597
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 4: give me all his skincare products and stuff and they're

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Speaker 4: probably all shelved in my drawer in my bathroom, never

599
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Speaker 4: touched or broken. And my wife like, she's like, damn it,

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Speaker 4: your skin so beautiful.

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Speaker 2: You don't do anything.

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Speaker 4: I don't do anything.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, you're aging like a black person.

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Speaker 4: Well, the.

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Speaker 3: Breakfast Club wake that answer in the morning.

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Speaker 4: The Breakfast Club

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Speaker 3: H