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Speaker 4: In fact, there's just like shaking her head of it.

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Speaker 4: A fun time. Oh yeah, this was after the like

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Speaker 4: Lots of pressure, having lots of pressure. Patriots Unfiltered here

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Speaker 4: on a Tuesday, just two days ahead of the draft,

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Speaker 4: I know. This is like the real radio stations that decide, well,

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Speaker 4: it's vacation week, it's school vacation, so we're not going

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Speaker 4: to come even though it's a major, major sports news

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Speaker 4: week in New England. You got the playoffs going on

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Speaker 4: for the Celtics, you got the draft coming for the Patriots.

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Speaker 4: Everybody just decided I'm not going to work this week.

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Speaker 4: But but Evan and Paula here, we'll bring you to

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Speaker 4: the next couple hours for It's unfiltered. Not a whole lot.

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Speaker 4: I don't think has really changed in terms of what

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Speaker 4: But I did think there was some interesting stuff from

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Speaker 6: Yeah, sort of like a big catch.

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Speaker 4: All draft notebook kind of thing with a lot of

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Speaker 6: Well, I always go back to remembering I think it

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Speaker 6: was last year that Bill Belichick was on one of

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Speaker 6: his draft paloozas at some point in his media tour,

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Speaker 6: and he just said that the twenty four to forty

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Speaker 6: before the draft and some of the reporting starts to

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Speaker 6: So I actually pay a ton of attention to what

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Speaker 6: Browns and the Giants are both fielding trade calls for

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Speaker 6: three players that could possibly entice teams to trade up.

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Speaker 6: Ashton Genty, which I find interesting for the Patriots because

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Speaker 6: it stands the reason if Paul, if there's three players

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Speaker 6: maybe the Patriots do factor into that. Could they trade

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Speaker 4: With you about genty because I think people have tied

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Speaker 4: And who wouldn't want the opportunity to get left all

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Speaker 4: Yeah. So I do think the Schreger thing, and you

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, and and fielding calls is obviously very different than

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Speaker 6: But it's always fascinating when the pick is not a quarterback,

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Speaker 6: always interesting in terms of value what you can actually

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Speaker 7: Now we can get there is nothing you know.

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Speaker 4: I know you don't know who I am because I

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Speaker 4: So what brings you by today? I know that there's

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Speaker 6: you don't always see the voluntary mini camps. Is this

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Speaker 6: A voluntary mini camp?

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Speaker 7: But you know, I feel like it's it's good work.

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Speaker 6: So it's good Josh McDaniels back as the offensive coordinator.

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Speaker 6: And I think one of the things that we all

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Speaker 6: Have you have you watched any film of past Patriots offenses.

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Speaker 7: Man, that's very exciting.

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Speaker 10: Man. I was, you know, I was happy when I

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Speaker 7: And I know what he does.

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Speaker 10: I've seen what he does with I meant while I

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Speaker 7: Just feel like he brings out that slot position.

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Speaker 4: Do you watch some of the obviously there's a lot

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Speaker 10: As I you know, as soon as I came in,

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Speaker 6: Was there anything that from his rookie season, you know

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Speaker 7: Man, he plays with tough grit, you know. Man, I've

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Speaker 6: Really quick last question, what, uh you got any plans

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Speaker 6: Like how do you watch it? You all get together

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Speaker 7: Now, yeah, sey'all.

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Speaker 10: For the past these past years, I always had I

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Speaker 7: I watched it draft to see.

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Speaker 4: You see all those wide receivers, You're like, yeah, we don't.

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Speaker 3: What's the Patriots you.

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Speaker 4: Know, the one for you know, food and beverage and okay,

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I remember talking to to I'll be taking the

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Speaker 4: Great. Yeah, but we get a couple of days out

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Speaker 3: And I'm not done yet. Yeah, I've only I've done

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Speaker 4: Because you pulled a Paul in college and you waited

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Speaker 4: Right, And I understand what I'm saying. I understand your

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Speaker 4: Somebody else might be interested in trading up at one.

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Speaker 4: Boganzi has let everybody know that they're open to anything,

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Speaker 4: it certainly seems like they've locked in on camp Ward.

444
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Speaker 4: So that that's how it would change. Someone might want

445
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Speaker 4: to trade with the Patriots that flie down, and then

446
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Speaker 4: it would depend on whoever the fourth team is. It

447
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Speaker 4: totally depends on who that team is okay. So like

448
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Speaker 4: if it's jackson if it's Jacksonville, I don't know, they might,

449
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Speaker 4: they might not. I mean, I don't think to your point,

450
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Speaker 4: I don't think that a lot of teams would take

451
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Speaker 4: Will Campbell at four. The Patriots have a dramatic need

452
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Speaker 4: at less tame.

453
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Speaker 3: So in my exercise, who do you think is the

454
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Speaker 3: player after Carter that most teams would want as really?

455
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think just in this draft and the closer

456
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Speaker 6: that we get to the draft, I think you're here

457
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Speaker 6: more and more that there's three consensus blue chip talents

458
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Speaker 6: in this draft. He's one of them, and some teams

459
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Speaker 6: I think are trying not to reach on need at

460
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Speaker 6: the top of the draft. And if you're just gonna

461
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Speaker 6: pick the best player available in that spot, it would

462
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Speaker 6: probably be genty And maybe a team that's a little

463
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Speaker 6: bit more better equipped on the offensive line, feels like

464
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Speaker 6: they're in a better spot, would be willing to trade

465
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Speaker 6: up even now, you know, to fourth overall to.

466
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Speaker 3: Take going to be number five picked.

467
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Speaker 6: I think, yeah, I think, yeah, I don't know. You know.

468
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Speaker 6: The one thing that always holds up for what Jacksonville though,

469
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Speaker 6: is is that they have an analytics guru.

470
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Speaker 4: And totally new regime too, so you'll have a book

471
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Speaker 4: on them.

472
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Speaker 6: Yeah, but you know, Gladstone's a he's a Nert like

473
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Speaker 6: he's he's an analytics guy. So to take a running

474
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Speaker 6: back at that spot is probably not typically what you

475
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Speaker 6: would see them do.

476
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Speaker 4: This is what you're supposed to say.

477
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Speaker 8: But if I guess, actually, who is the best player

478
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Speaker 8: on the board for pretty much every team, if that

479
00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,880
Speaker 8: scenario were to play out, you know Ward, Travis Hunter,

480
00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,679
Speaker 8: Abdul Carter, the next best player is is Genty?

481
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and what about Tyler Warren? I think he's probably

482
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Speaker 4: a top ten consensus guy. Yeah, probably is no one.

483
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Speaker 4: I think it's the eye of the beholder. It's a

484
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Speaker 4: flavor for all of these guys. I think you could

485
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Speaker 4: say Will Campbell, Ashton Genty, my guy, Jalen Walker, you

486
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Speaker 4: know ty Warren. I think some people like the other.

487
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Speaker 4: You know, Coloston Lovelin better than Tyler Warren, you know,

488
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Speaker 4: even as a tight end. But I think that you

489
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Speaker 4: could ask ten teams who the other you know that

490
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Speaker 4: the fourth player is, and you might get eight answers.

491
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Speaker 3: So if we weren't picking fourth, and I think they're

492
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Speaker 3: gonna pick Campbell. I don't know, But who do you

493
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Speaker 3: think would be the fourth player? I mean, well, no,

494
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Speaker 3: I'm sorry. If we didn't pick Will Campbell, where do

495
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Speaker 3: you think Will Campbell would go?

496
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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a good question. I think there's a case

497
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Speaker 6: to be made that he would slide a little bit

498
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Speaker 6: if if the Patriots weren't in the position that they're in.

499
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Speaker 6: I think there certainly.

500
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Speaker 4: Would be a spot that he could go to the

501
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Speaker 4: Jets right the seven seven.

502
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Speaker 6: The Jets, they have a left tackle. You know, they'd

503
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Speaker 6: be drafting him to pay the right side, I suppose,

504
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Speaker 6: or maybe even left guard.

505
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Speaker 4: Yeah, they might not be as disappointed if you had

506
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Speaker 4: to play guard.

507
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I could see that. You know, I could still

508
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 6: depending on what happens with Colton Miller and all that

509
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:34,360
Speaker 6: in Vegas, Like maybe the Raiders would still take him.

510
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:37,479
Speaker 6: But the Saints I think are another team. You know,

511
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 6: Telusi Fugalo is really a right tackle who they drafted

512
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,159
Speaker 6: last year in the first round, so you know, he

513
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Speaker 6: goes back to his natural spot at right tackle. Campbell

514
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Speaker 6: goes in at left tackle. But I think there's a

515
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Speaker 6: chance to your point, Fred, I think is what you're

516
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Speaker 6: getting at that if Campbell didn't go four because the

517
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Speaker 6: Patriots weren't at four. You could be looking at eight, nine,

518
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Speaker 6: ten for Campbell and we'll go.

519
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Speaker 4: Big a picture, Shidoas Sanders doesn't go three to the Giants,

520
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 4: there's a very good chance that he doesn't go in

521
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,479
Speaker 4: the first round, right, Like, that's how much it can be. Now,

522
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 4: it's a little different for a quarterback because there's probably

523
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:14,080
Speaker 4: only three options, right, You're going from from three is

524
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 4: one option, nine to the Saints is two option, and

525
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:18,919
Speaker 4: then probably twenty one to the Steelers.

526
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Speaker 6: Yeah, the Steelers seems three.

527
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Speaker 3: But the Campbell example is a perfect example of after

528
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:28,440
Speaker 3: Hunter and Carter, it's really what do you need? Right, yep,

529
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Speaker 3: because they're so all of them are so lumped together.

530
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, there's the point I'm trying to make

531
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Speaker 6: the whole draft is that the positional need, and I'd

532
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Speaker 6: also put positional value in there as well, is going

533
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 6: to determine a lot of these picks for teams Like there.

534
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Speaker 6: I don't think that you can sit here and say

535
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Speaker 6: definitively that Will Campbell is a worse player than Mason Graham,

536
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 6: or Will Campbell is the worst player than Tyler Warren,

537
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,719
Speaker 6: Like I think you can make cases for either one

538
00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 6: of those guys. I think it's kind of a I agree.

539
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Speaker 3: So they said that, you know, this is the first

540
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 3: draft that there hasn't been a first round trade.

541
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:09,959
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is as late as it's the latest as

542
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 4: it's been gone. Every team is slated to pick in

543
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 4: their original spot.

544
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Speaker 3: And I'm thinking if the trade, if there is a

545
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:19,200
Speaker 3: trade and it doesn't happen among that first three picks,

546
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Speaker 3: there may not be a trade in this first round

547
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 3: because everything is just well, they's so lumped together. There's

548
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:25,880
Speaker 3: no reason.

549
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 4: That's one of those if we were doing this show,

550
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:34,440
Speaker 4: say in you know Arizona or you know Denver, you'd

551
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Speaker 4: know the specific players that you're looking for and the

552
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 4: teams that are ahead of you that you might want

553
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Speaker 4: to get in front of. I don't know right now

554
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 4: who would be.

555
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,400
Speaker 3: But is there anyone that that that is that good

556
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 3: that you'd be willing to give up assets to get

557
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 3: in this draft?

558
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:52,159
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's definitely a lot of smoke connecting Denver to

559
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 6: Colson Lovelin. John Payton calls out the joker position in

560
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 6: his offense, you know, the move tight end, and I

561
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 6: think that Dave put out there at least that they

562
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 6: have sort of an infatuation with Colson Loveland and they

563
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 6: could be interested in moving up in the draft to

564
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 6: make sure that they get Colson Loveland. But to Paul's point,

565
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,479
Speaker 6: I do bet. I bet there are teams that have

566
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Speaker 6: Loveland higher than Tyler Warren.

567
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Speaker 4: I think Schefter had that, I wouldn't be in his

568
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:20,879
Speaker 4: catcher all grab back. He had some interesting things, like

569
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 4: he he had one he I think he cited one

570
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 4: specific GM that does not even have a first round

571
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 4: grade for any of the quarterbacks. Yeah, correct, And then

572
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 4: there was another one that said that Sanders does not

573
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 4: have a first round grade, but again that doesn't really matter.

574
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 4: Like I would, I would argue that there have probably

575
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 4: been a ton of quarterbacks chosen over the last ten

576
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 4: years that didn't have first round grades. Chosen in the

577
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Speaker 4: first round. You know, I'm not sure that all six

578
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 4: of those guys last year had first round grades. Maybe

579
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 4: they did, but I wouldn't be surprised if bow Knicks

580
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:03,880
Speaker 4: didn't have a first round grade. But he got taken

581
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 4: in the first round, and so far he looks like,

582
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:11,880
Speaker 4: you know, perfectly fine picked. I think quarterbacks often get drafted,

583
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,879
Speaker 4: you know, ahead of their value for obvious reasons. And

584
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:16,679
Speaker 4: we'll see if that happens to Sanders or not.

585
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and yeah.

586
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 4: The other thing that I think Schefter had was one

587
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 4: decision maker said definitively that Ward would have been seven

588
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,199
Speaker 4: last year. Yeah, behind all six of the of the

589
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 4: guys that got taken.

590
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean what does that say.

591
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 3: I mean, like, I don't think there's any chance that uh,

592
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,679
Speaker 3: Cleveland is it's smoking mirror, is that they they're not

593
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 3: going to pick a quarterback.

594
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 4: Cleveland's not going to take a quarter I mean the

595
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 4: first Tennessee, I don't know, it seems sounds like everything

596
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:46,640
Speaker 4: is locked up at this point.

597
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:50,119
Speaker 3: But like, do they feel like cam Ward would be

598
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 3: the seventh quarterback last year?

599
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 4: Yeah? But you know, so, like I'm okay with that

600
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,919
Speaker 4: as long as he's good. Like bow Knicks was the

601
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 4: sixth he played pretty well. Yeah, so just because you

602
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,199
Speaker 4: fall behind other guys that were successful, I mean, the

603
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,400
Speaker 4: only one that didn't get to play was McCarthy, right, right, Yeah,

604
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 4: the other five showed.

605
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 3: Promise, so Atlanta still, No, he didn't play a lot,

606
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 3: he didn't play.

607
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:18,479
Speaker 4: He only played the last month of the season. But

608
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 4: he but he looked like he knew what he was doing.

609
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, I would say that if you put cam warden

610
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 6: last year's draft, he's at least in the conversation with

611
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 6: the Pennix, McCarthy Knicks tier, Like you could rank.

612
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 4: Went ahead of Bonisis.

613
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:35,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, like rank them however you want to rank them

614
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 6: once you get into that tier, Like he's clearly not

615
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 6: in the Caleb Jaden Daniels, and Drake may tier. But

616
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 6: I still think he would have been in the conversation

617
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 6: with the rest of those guys in last year's draft. So, like,

618
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 6: what would he have been? Quarterback seven? Like to maybe

619
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 6: to some eyes he would have been right like to

620
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 6: some evaluators he would have been, but I think to

621
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 6: others he probably would have been the fifth best quarterback

622
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 6: or maybe not over penn I think Pennix is probably

623
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 6: the one guy that would have been tough for him

624
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 6: to grade out higher.

625
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 3: Then, So again, you've said it before, it's it's not

626
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 3: a star draft, it's a starter draft. I said, it's

627
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 3: a blue collar draft. It's a let's just get to work,

628
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 3: you know, as I started looking into these players, I've

629
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 3: only done a handful of positions so far, there's depth.

630
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 3: There's depth that positions, especially edge.

631
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 4: I mean, and to your point, I think because this

632
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 4: is this is probably two classes at least worth of

633
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 4: prospects coming out because of COVID. This is like sort

634
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 4: of the I think you can get. You can make

635
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 4: a case that the undrafted free agentcy even will have

636
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 4: There'll be some talent. There's a good mix of talent.

637
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 3: We've been there for six years and then guys who

638
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 3: were too junior again.

639
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 4: And that's why, like I've been teasing Evan a little

640
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 4: bit about the whole starters, Like I don't really care

641
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 4: if they're starters. I care if they deserve to be starters.

642
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 4: Like there's no doubt the Patriot going to draft guys.

643
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 4: I heard on one of my stations this morning. You know,

644
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 4: they're gonna they need to come away with three or

645
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 4: four starters, And I would just push back on that. No,

646
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 4: they need to come away with three or four good

647
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 4: starters that you're gonna be able to do. You're gonna

648
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 4: want to give a second contract to that, You're gonna

649
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 4: want to have be the nucleus of your team moving forward.

650
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 4: You know, like this is I don't mean any disrespect,

651
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 4: but I'm going to put just names like of guys

652
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 4: who have started like last year, like daniel Aqualay and

653
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 4: Jilani Tavai. And you know that you know serviceable players,

654
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,479
Speaker 4: hard working players, but you need to do better than

655
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 4: that they start by default, right, and that.

656
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 3: You want somebody who they out.

657
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 4: Who is those two third round picks that the Patriots have,

658
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 4: you know, at at sixty nine and seventy seven, can

659
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 4: they find two guys that are like worthy of like

660
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 4: displacing the people they're going to replace theming like that,

661
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 4: but they're worth it. That would be a home run.

662
00:30:58,040 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, I looked, there are one of six and there too.

663
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 6: I think the four.

664
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 4: Of those picks tored pick.

665
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 6: I think all four of those picks have a lot

666
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 6: of value in a draft like this because there is

667
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 6: a lot of depth, to Friend's point, in this class

668
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 6: in general, and like this is a draft like nerds draft,

669
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 6: Like this is a draft that Day two is probably

670
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 6: the most important day of the draft to the Patriots.

671
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 6: Take at four overall, they're gonna get a good player,

672
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 6: you know, whether it's Campbell, whether it's gent D whoever

673
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 6: it is, They're gonna get a good player at four

674
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 6: over member according to memboo Jalen Walker.

675
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 3: You know whoever, I'm surprised you want Membo.

676
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 6: I want Campbell. You know I have Campbell graded higher.

677
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 6: But I hear the argument for Membo. You know, he's

678
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 6: got the requisite measurables. He's a great athlete, you know,

679
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 6: basically the same level of athlete in the combine as

680
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 6: Will Campbell was.

681
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 3: But he's never played left tackle.

682
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 6: He's never played left tackle. But there are examples of

683
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,479
Speaker 6: guys that have never played left tackle in college.

684
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 3: Oh, I know there is. But don't you think that's

685
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 3: that's as much, if not a bigger risk then Will

686
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 3: Campbell's arm measurement.

687
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 4: I would say, I would say it's similar.

688
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 6: They can kind of cancel each other out.

689
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 4: To me, well, but the other part of it is

690
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 4: they're going to need a right tackle too, Like Morgan

691
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 4: Moses is a stop day. He's thirty four years old.

692
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 3: I know.

693
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 4: I know if if it were, if they thought that

694
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 4: Membo was that much better than Campbell, I could see

695
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 4: Evans argument and just say, well, he's a better player.

696
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 4: We're going to take him even if he plays right tackle.

697
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 4: And I got to patch it together for another year.

698
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 4: I'm going to have my right tackle of the future.

699
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 4: That's okay. But if Campbell is better than Membo, then

700
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 4: you take Campbell's a left tack.

701
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 6: He's got a little bit of a higher ceiling. I think.

702
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 6: I think Campbell has a higher floor and is probably

703
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 6: a little bit more pro ready right now to step

704
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 6: in as a rookie h compared to Membo. But I

705
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 6: think Membo's is a length, his wings span, is athleticism,

706
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 6: like all of the requisite measurables that he brings to

707
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 6: the table probably give him a little bit of a

708
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 6: higher ceiling at tackle.

709
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 3: Specifically, My plan B for this draft, Plan A is Campbell.

710
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 3: Plan B is believe it or not, Tyler Warren and

711
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 3: then try like hell to get back in their first

712
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 3: round and take somebody like Josh Connery.

713
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 6: If you're gonna do that.

714
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 4: So I like your plan, and I think that the

715
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 4: thing that.

716
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 3: I think that you know doesn't I think get talked

717
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 3: enough about is the lack of coaching that the offensive

718
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 3: line has had over the last few years on this team.

719
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 3: And I think that's gonna make a big, big difference.

720
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 3: I think it's gonna give a chance for Caleb Williams

721
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 3: to have a shot here.

722
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 4: I believe that's Kayden Wallace.

723
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 3: Kden Wallace. Yeah, I'm mixing up the quarterback for the Bears.

724
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 3: But uh Like, I think that coaching has been lacking here.

725
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 3: And we've said it before. You don't need five studs

726
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 3: on the offensive line if they're well coached.

727
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 4: And I think the environment.

728
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 3: Here over the last few years was terrible. I think

729
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 3: the coaching was subpar, and I think that's really hurt

730
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 3: the offensive line. I think hopefully that will be corrected

731
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 3: this year with Doug Marone and whether it's Will Campbell

732
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 3: or Josh Connery, they're gonna get good coaching and that's

733
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 3: going to give them a shot to be good players.

734
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 6: I think it's a fair argument. I think that the

735
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 6: two things. I like, why not Genty at that point?

736
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,280
Speaker 6: Like I would just take I would just take Genty

737
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 6: over Tyler Warren. But second to that, you know they

738
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,919
Speaker 6: tried this last year trying to trade back up into

739
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 6: the first round to you need a partner to get

740
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 6: the run at tackle or receiver. You know there's reports

741
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,240
Speaker 6: out there that was it was both. You know, one

742
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 6: some people say it was for a tackle, some people

743
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 6: say it was for a receiver, but they were targeting

744
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,399
Speaker 6: a position to move up to do this last year,

745
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:47,359
Speaker 6: and at the end of the day they couldn't get

746
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 6: the trade done, right, So you run that risk, you do.

747
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 6: But I think between Connory, Urcery and Simmons, you know,

748
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 6: there are three viable tackle options in that twenty to

749
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 6: forty range that you could probably get your hand.

750
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 3: But he may not be able to play right away.

751
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 4: Right yeah, and he probably won't be cleared until August

752
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 4: for football, So you know, that's that's tough for a rookie.

753
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 6: I think we're talking mid season before you see Josh

754
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,359
Speaker 6: Simmons at best, you know, because once he's cleared, then

755
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 6: he's got to ramp it back up and he's got

756
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 6: to get in football shape and get coached.

757
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 4: And get nice that we can talk to Fred about

758
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 4: these guys now because he's done his research, he's got

759
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 4: the back of the end a little bit.

760
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,320
Speaker 6: A little bit, I can tell that that he likes himself.

761
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:29,839
Speaker 6: From Tyler Warren, he's mentioned him.

762
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 3: Well, I just think I'm just looking at needs on

763
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 3: this team and impact and I think, uh, he could

764
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 3: make an immediate impact. You know, I'm not saying he

765
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,240
Speaker 3: could be Bowers from the Raiders.

766
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,359
Speaker 4: Not that kind of player. Yeah, different kind, But.

767
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 3: I think he can make an immediate impact on this offense.

768
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 6: Yeah, he definitely could. I think that The questions that

769
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 6: I've had with Tyler Warren the whole time are like,

770
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,359
Speaker 6: what is his what is his carrying trade? Like, what

771
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 6: is his elite carrying trade. He's good at a lot

772
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 6: of different.

773
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:01,280
Speaker 4: It's just a football player.

774
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 6: He's he's I would even say great at some of them.

775
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 6: You know, he's a really good blocker. He's a really

776
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 6: physical receiver down the field and at the catch point.

777
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 6: You know, he's got some versatility certainly, you know, to

778
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 6: move around the formation and play from different spots. Even

779
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,479
Speaker 6: played wildcat quarterback yep, some at Penn State.

780
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 3: But with a football players, but what is the.

781
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 6: One thing that you look at and you say wow.

782
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 6: You know with gent D there's an obvious one. You know,

783
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 6: his his contact balance and his ability to break tackles

784
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 6: is just next level like with with Warren, and I

785
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 6: just worry about the jack of all trades, master of

786
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 6: none thing a little bit.

787
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 4: Did you watch any They had a like a draft

788
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 4: special kind of thing on on genty over the weekend

789
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 4: on ESPN. Do you watch any of the high school islines.

790
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 4: I'm sure this one particular broken tackle. It's not even

791
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 4: just that, like you know, the production, but like he

792
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 4: gets you know, when you get like your legs sort

793
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 4: of chopped out from under you and like you just

794
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 4: go down like a ton of bricks. So he got

795
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 4: hit it and got knocked off his legs. But as

796
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 4: he was doing it, he spun and he was able

797
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 4: to contort his body all the way around and he

798
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 4: stayed on his feet. He put the hand down and

799
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 4: he remained on his feet despite the tackler really knocking

800
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 4: his pins right out from under him. It was like,

801
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 4: to your point about his ability to break tackles and

802
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 4: play through contact, it wasn't. I mean, I know it

803
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 4: was high school and he was obviously so much better

804
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 4: than the guys he's playing against, but he did play

805
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 4: high school football in Texas.

806
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 6: He's also doing it against Oregon and Penn State also,

807
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 6: so it's not like it's just those teams. Yeah, he

808
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 6: had more yards after contact than any other.

809
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 4: Running receiver in the I mean, next leading rusher in there.

810
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,839
Speaker 6: Had totally rushing yards. Yeah, he had it more after

811
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 6: contact than anybody else.

812
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,800
Speaker 4: Yep, it was over seventeen hundred and the next leading

813
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 4: rusher was sixteen hundred.

814
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, nineteen total. Yeah, So if he's gonna if you're

815
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 6: ruling out the tackles, if you're taking Campbell and Membo

816
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,839
Speaker 6: out of it, and you're forgetting about position to need,

817
00:37:58,400 --> 00:37:59,959
Speaker 6: I just don't know how you don't make the case.

818
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 4: You could make a strong argument that the next best

819
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,720
Speaker 4: player after Carter and Hunter is Genty. Now I would

820
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 4: not necessarily want to draft him. I would go Jalen Walker,

821
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 4: but I can make an argument for Warren, I can

822
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,839
Speaker 4: make an argument for Genty certainly all those guys. And

823
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 4: that's what I think. The intrigue of this draft starts

824
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 4: with the Patriots, because I think people are pretty confident

825
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 4: that the top three picks are going to go in

826
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 4: some order Ward, Hunter, Catter. But what happens next, I

827
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,320
Speaker 4: think a lot of people could have different opinions.

828
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 3: I mean, if Genty ends up on the Patriots, I'm

829
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 3: not going to be complaining's you know.

830
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 4: And I have like a you know, I'm sort of

831
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 4: I'm tight cast and rightly so as the running backist,

832
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 4: like I'm sort of anti running, but I do feel

833
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 4: for them, like I've heard a lot of people say

834
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 4: Patriots can't take him, like they don't have the offensive line,

835
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 4: They're not in the situation. That's like a cherry on

836
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 4: the Sunday kind of a pick, you know, like Saquon

837
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:59,919
Speaker 4: Barkley to Philly puts them over the top. Well, that's great,

838
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 4: But then I hear people say stuff like, well, if

839
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 4: I have all those other things, what do I need

840
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 4: the running back with the fourth overall pick for right? Like,

841
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 4: it's never the running backs time, I like, I do

842
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 4: I feel bad for the position?

843
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,399
Speaker 3: Were always locks for the first round back in the day.

844
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's an interest.

845
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,320
Speaker 6: They're kind of in the middle because like the teams

846
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 6: that have taken running backs in the recent pass in the

847
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 6: top ten, the Giants was Saquan the Panthers with McCaffrey,

848
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 6: neither one of those teams had a Drake may Right.

849
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,760
Speaker 6: So it's not apples to apples because when the Giants

850
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 6: drafted mccar drafted Barkley, they had a thirty seven year

851
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 6: old Eli Manning, Like, it's not Drake may Right. You know.

852
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 6: When the Panthers drafted uh McCaffrey, they had Cam. At

853
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 6: the end of Cam's run in Carolina. So there the

854
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 6: Patriots at least have Drake may to elevate that that

855
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 6: ceiling of the offense. But it's also not the Detroit

856
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 6: Lions taking Jamir Gibbs, because the Lions already had Penny Sewell,

857
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 6: and they already had Jared Goff, and they already had

858
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:00,800
Speaker 6: Aman Ross Saint Brown, and they already had had Aiden

859
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 6: Hutchinson on defense, like they already had other blue chip

860
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 6: players on their roster that was already ascending at that point.

861
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 6: So Gibbs was the cherry on top to the Sunday

862
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 6: in Detroit. So the Patriots are kind of like right

863
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 6: in the middle. They have a young quarterback that's more

864
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 6: promising than some of the other teams that have done it,

865
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 6: but they're not quite the finished product that the Detroit

866
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 6: Lions were. So it's a tough spot to be in.

867
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 6: I think to take gent and make it work. You know,

868
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:30,280
Speaker 6: they're not quite there, but you could see a path

869
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 6: if they can do what Fred was talking about of

870
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 6: trading back up and getting that tackle just.

871
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,439
Speaker 4: Being a selfish I think that might be the pick

872
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 4: I would make, like for our purposes, like to talk

873
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:43,240
Speaker 4: about to write about for excitement. You know, faned excitement,

874
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,720
Speaker 4: like I hope get a stud running.

875
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,839
Speaker 3: I hope in the early days of training camp when

876
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 3: it's just you know, helmets and shorts, that he practices

877
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 3: without a shirt on.

878
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 4: Okay, Mike, I think that would be fun.

879
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 6: I do wonder about you know, I went back and

880
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 6: watched some of his twenty twenty three As everybody says

881
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 6: he was a much better receiver in twenty twenty three.

882
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 6: You got to watch the pass catching tape from the

883
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 6: season before they used him more in that vein. He's

884
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 6: still averaged negative air yards per target in twenty twenty

885
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,399
Speaker 6: three because they're throwing him screens, right. You know, he's

886
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 6: five foot eight, so like he's not like when I

887
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 6: hear the Ladanian Thomlins in comparisons, like la Danian Thomlinson

888
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 6: was a downfield receiving threat, like he could run routes

889
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:30,359
Speaker 6: outside the backfield, down the field. I don't think you're

890
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 6: gonna get that out of gent.

891
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 4: So I have a this is a total aside, just

892
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 4: this Patriot centric now, you know, because that's I would

893
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:42,760
Speaker 4: say most Patriots fans, media guys have put pass catching

894
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 4: back is a significant need. You know, it's something that's

895
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 4: probably gonna get addressed, maybe maybe late day two, but

896
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 4: if not in day three. Josh wrote that, right, why

897
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 4: is Antonio Gibson not an option for that? This is

898
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 4: a guy who was a college wide receiver. Why is

899
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 4: he not an option to be Josh McDaniel's past past

900
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 4: catching back.

901
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 6: It's a great question. I don't know. I've asked that

902
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 6: question a million times too about about Gibson. That's what

903
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 6: he's touted as. It's like, to your point, he was

904
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 6: a college receiver.

905
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 4: That's what he was in Washington. That's literally what he is.

906
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:18,240
Speaker 6: I don't know. I think maybe they're looking for somebody

907
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 6: that can do a little bit more of both of

908
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:23,800
Speaker 6: volume on early downs and catch the ball out of

909
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 6: the backfield more to push Stevenson.

910
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 4: I would think, yeah, I just I just, you know,

911
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 4: I was the more I've been thinking about it, because

912
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,320
Speaker 4: I hear a lot of people talk about Trevor etn.

913
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 4: You know, he was talking to Mike Reese, my good

914
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 4: buddy yesterday, you know, and Mike brought him up as

915
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 4: a guy that would make some sense, and I agree,

916
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 4: he's That's what he was at Georgia. He's a good

917
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 4: versatile back that can get out of the backfield catch

918
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 4: the ball in that traditional style. I just why is

919
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 4: no one really talking about Gibson as an option in

920
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 4: that regard? Just sort of came to me. Yeah, I

921
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 4: don't know, And I'm not saying you can't have Gibson

922
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 4: and you know, just like you can and have Shane

923
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 4: Vereen and James White. You know, once upon a time,

924
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 4: you know, you had those kinds of guys.

925
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm hoping for a couple of things with

926
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 3: this offense. One that Drake is that much better because

927
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 3: it's the second year.

928
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:12,439
Speaker 4: And all the biggest one.

929
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:17,879
Speaker 3: And again Josh makes them that much better because I'm

930
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,359
Speaker 3: not I had no problem with AVP, but I think

931
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 3: Josh is a better coordinator. And I think those two

932
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 3: things elevate the guys that we had last year to

933
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 3: be to be better. And so maybe this year a

934
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 3: guy like Gibson does show you that, you know, I don't.

935
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 4: I think he showed me it last year. Yeah, Like

936
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 4: that's not enough though, well, because their offense stunck exactly,

937
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 4: but not because of him. He didn't have the ability

938
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 4: to be a pass catching back.

939
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:43,280
Speaker 3: That's my point. That's my point.

940
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,800
Speaker 4: But I think he does. He was the offense just

941
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 4: because they couldn't block.

942
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was squashed in that offense. He didn't have

943
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 3: you know, he wasn't given the opportunity to show off.

944
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 4: What he kept better. I just I guess I agree

945
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 4: with everything you're saying. I think the biggest key would

946
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 4: be you need Rake May to make the year or

947
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 4: two jump. But the problems with the offense last year,

948
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 4: to me, started in Like you can say I like

949
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 4: dalex Van Pelt, I didn't like him.

950
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 3: I didn't like to play problem years ago.

951
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 6: It was all about.

952
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 4: Their inability to block anybody. And if that's the case

953
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:19,839
Speaker 4: this year again, I don't care what Josh McDaniels does,

954
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 4: it's not going to be that much better.

955
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,479
Speaker 3: Well, I you know, I add Doug Maron into that mix.

956
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 3: As I started the show.

957
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:26,799
Speaker 4: I'm saying, if they can't block anybody, I don't care

958
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 4: who's coaching.

959
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,399
Speaker 3: I know, well no, but I'm hoping the coaching helps that.

960
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, it just block for him.

961
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 6: You have a tough time getting there with the improvement

962
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,240
Speaker 6: on the offensive line without a real investment at left tackle.

963
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 6: Like if they come out of this draft with one

964
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 6: of those left tackles, even at the top of the

965
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 6: second rounding and Nursery Connorley, someone like that, I would feel, Okay,

966
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 6: they have a young guy in a pipeline. And if

967
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 6: you tell me that.

968
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:54,839
Speaker 4: Whoever they come out with, like you said, well, that's

969
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 4: a vast improvement over last year, Like Ursery would be

970
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 4: an improvement over Vederian Loan. Yeah, Demontre Jacobs, you know.

971
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 4: And so now you have Morgan Moses and Ursery or

972
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 4: Connery or Campbell, that should be an upgrade. So like

973
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 4: whether the coaching is better or not, you have better

974
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 4: players blocking sure you should be better because of that.

975
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:18,839
Speaker 4: And now you have to hope Drake may has made

976
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 4: the progression. And you know, we just had to Mario

977
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 4: Douglas in here. Maybe he does that. Josh McDaniel's thing.

978
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:26,919
Speaker 4: This is where I would put coaching into it, because

979
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 4: I think that the system that Josh wants to run

980
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 4: is going to accentuate that maybe he turns out to be,

981
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 4: you know, more of a volume kind of guy. And

982
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 4: then you know, this gets us to something else that

983
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 4: we I don't know if you caught this. Evan and

984
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 4: I talked about this off air a little bit. That

985
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 4: whole Adam schefter grab bag of the draft bunch of tidbits.

986
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,879
Speaker 4: He had some young players around the league that could

987
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,240
Speaker 4: be on the trading block, and he had some veterans

988
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:53,919
Speaker 4: around the league that could be on the trading block.

989
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 4: As an example for a veteran, right, he had Kashawan

990
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 4: Boody as a young guy that might be expendable for

991
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:01,720
Speaker 4: the Patriots, which tells me that there's probably some smoke

992
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 4: where there's fire there. Evanth and I kind of agree

993
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:09,399
Speaker 4: that it's a little too quick if that's the case,

994
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 4: if they're looking to move on from him. Now. Now,

995
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 4: I don't know what's going to happen Thursday, Friday, you know,

996
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 4: more likely Friday might change my mind. But why would

997
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 4: he be the do you think the first one?

998
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,760
Speaker 3: Well, if Booty's the guy that gets you the asset

999
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 3: that allows you to move back up into the first round, then.

1000
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, well okay, like let's what what are we doing?

1001
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 3: Well, like, what if you can get a third for Booty?

1002
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 3: You can't, Okay, then I think it's too fast. But

1003
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 3: that's let's just say it's too quick.

1004
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:39,439
Speaker 4: But let's just operate under the premise, and you know what,

1005
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 4: let me stop being so snarky, let's operate under the

1006
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 4: assumption that you're getting a Day three pick swap for

1007
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 4: Kayshawn boot Like. I don't think they have a wide

1008
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:52,360
Speaker 4: receiver that they could deal that could get you with

1009
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 4: third round pick. I don't think they have one, So

1010
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 4: let's just let's just make that assumption.

1011
00:46:58,480 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 3: Then don't too fast.

1012
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 4: Yeah Like, And that was what Evan and I were

1013
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:03,839
Speaker 4: kind of saying, not that he I don't think either

1014
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 4: one of us is in love with Kaishawan Booty, but yeah,

1015
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 4: me played last year. He made some plays. I think Evan,

1016
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 4: you put it like, oh, Iven, if you stick him

1017
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 4: on the outside and just have him run go routes

1018
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:15,800
Speaker 4: every once in a while, you got behind everybody.

1019
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 3: Don't you think that's why he ended up in the

1020
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 3: grab bag? Is because other teams are like, he's not

1021
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 3: that bad.

1022
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:22,840
Speaker 4: No, I think the Patriots are looking to move on

1023
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:24,399
Speaker 4: for him. That's how you end up in the grab bag.

1024
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 4: But why, I don't.

1025
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 3: Could be a little bit of both, But I think

1026
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 3: it's more he got a little attractive, and he's the

1027
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 3: guy that the Patriots might be able to get something for.

1028
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 4: Maybe maybe they'll trade a fifth round pick for a

1029
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 4: seventh round pick and move, like Evan said, can you

1030
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 4: get another fifth round pick out of it? So they

1031
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:44,839
Speaker 4: have one seventy one right now in the fifth round.

1032
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:48,240
Speaker 4: Can you get another fifth round pick but one seventy

1033
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:52,320
Speaker 4: one they have? Yeah, yeah, maybe you can get another one.

1034
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 6: What I wonder with Booty is just he's had some

1035
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 6: hiccups along the way here, and is he he just

1036
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:03,839
Speaker 6: not a program guy? And are we doing that whole

1037
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 6: thing with Kaishaan Booty where they just don't feel like

1038
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 6: they're going to be able to get him to buy

1039
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 6: into the vrable program.

1040
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 4: Maybe maybe it's as simple as that.

1041
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 6: I just look at what he did last year. It

1042
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 6: wasn't anything eye popping, but he had six hundred yards

1043
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,359
Speaker 6: last year. That's six hundred more yards than the two

1044
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 6: rookies had last year. So like, why why would kai

1045
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 6: Shan Boody be the odd man out of him, Polk

1046
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 6: and Baker Unless it's just simply because he has more

1047
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 6: value than those two guys, and you're really buying low,

1048
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:39,399
Speaker 6: you know, selling you know low on those other two.

1049
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 6: That would be the m I just don't really see that,

1050
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:43,839
Speaker 6: you know, he's.

1051
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 4: Selling about as high on Booty as you probably going

1052
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:49,320
Speaker 4: to get and the other two guys have no value

1053
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:51,439
Speaker 4: at all because they did nothing his rookies, right.

1054
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:54,839
Speaker 6: But I look at the way that too. Josh McDaniels

1055
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 6: has typically used the outside receiver, you know, take Randy

1056
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 6: Moss out of it, and maybe Brandon Cooks for a year, right,

1057
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 6: you know, Brandon Lafel. You know those types of players

1058
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 6: like Booty can do that. Like Booty can run go

1059
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:13,319
Speaker 6: routes on the outside and get behind Derek Stingley for

1060
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 6: fifty yard touchdown once a game, right, Like, he can

1061
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 6: do those types of things. And if you're not going

1062
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 6: to run the offense through the X receiver, through the

1063
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 6: outside receiver and that's not going to be the volume

1064
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 6: role in your offense, I think that he can be

1065
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 6: the viable third guy in that pecking order. You know,

1066
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 6: if it's Stefon Diggs and Pop Douglas and Booty, or

1067
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 6: it's Stefon Diggs and a draft pick and Booty. Like

1068
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 6: I feel comfortable with Booty being a low volume outside

1069
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 6: receiver and what we know as the traditional McDaniel's offense.

1070
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 6: So unless it's for a great value, I'm not ready

1071
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:51,360
Speaker 6: to drive Keayshan Boody to the airport just yet, Like

1072
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:53,439
Speaker 6: I think that he has a role that you can

1073
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 6: envision on this team as a decent X like.

1074
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 4: I do agree with us or I do. Yeah, I

1075
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 4: just thought it was odd, you know, like even if

1076
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:08,760
Speaker 4: you were gonna say, okay, well, the rookies deserve another

1077
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 4: year to see or at least an off season to

1078
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 4: see if they've matured, and you know whatever, Pop wouldn't

1079
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 4: wouldn't like Born be the guy to go.

1080
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 3: I think so.

1081
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 4: But because Kaishan BOUDI you could make an argument that

1082
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 4: year three, he's an descending player. Kendrick Bourne, to me,

1083
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 4: is what he is.

1084
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 3: No.

1085
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 4: I know, at this point in his career, he's not

1086
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:31,919
Speaker 4: going to get much better or worse.

1087
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:34,360
Speaker 3: That's why he might be the guy that's more attractive

1088
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:35,360
Speaker 3: to other teams.

1089
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Speaker 4: I just don't think that that guy. Again, you're getting

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Speaker 4: a Day three pick. He's a sixth round pick. You're

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Speaker 4: getting a Day three pick for him.

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Speaker 6: I think that's the only argument, though, is that he

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Speaker 6: has the most trade value out of anybody in that room,

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Speaker 6: right because he's a young, descending player.

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Speaker 4: But he might but I don't think but I think

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Speaker 4: he probably does. I think Fred's right he probably does

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Speaker 4: have the most, but it's like, you know, Will Campbell

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Speaker 4: is the fourth pick in this draft. You know, it's

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Speaker 4: it's a bar he has the most, but I don't

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Speaker 4: think he has much value. He I would agree with

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Speaker 4: Fred that he probably has the most value out of

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Speaker 4: those guys.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I get. I just look at him as different,

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Speaker 6: Like they don't have a ton of outside receivers, like

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Speaker 6: true outside receivers, you know, Kendrick Bourne, Jalen Polk, Stefan Diggs,

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Speaker 6: Pop Douglas, Like those guys are all kind of redundant

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Speaker 6: to one another. And Digs is certainly not coming off

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Speaker 6: the field once he's ready to go. So it's Born,

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Speaker 6: it's Polk, It's you know, those are the guys that

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Speaker 6: I personally, if you're gonna move somebody, I feel like

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Speaker 6: those are the guys that you would probably move, but

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Speaker 6: they probably have the least amount of value.

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Speaker 7: What's up, everybody?

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Patriots Unfiltered Extras Matist Baalmanoux Francisco

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Speaker 1: and Chris Cassidy, where we read leftover emails that you

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Speaker 1: guys are sent in from the previous show. So, guys,

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00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 1: we've some good stuff here on the show before we

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00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 1: had Hunter Henry so here, So we'll start. We'll start

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Speaker 1: with an email directly to Hunter Henry. Okay, I'm nice

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00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 1: from Anthony Hunter Henry, big fan. I just want to

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00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 1: say how thankful I am for you. You brought a lot

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00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 1: of joy these past couple of years and have been

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Speaker 1: one of the few great bright spots. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: always showing up and you are the next jersey I.

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Speaker 3: Get related that message.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, No, he was great on the shows.

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Speaker 3: Good We can get the players.

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Speaker 5: You know, he's been great the last couple of years.

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Speaker 12: I mean he really has been one of the main

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00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 12: bright spots this season, like or not this season, but

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Speaker 12: all yes, sorry, really really dynamic player. He really throw

1167
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:31,720
Speaker 12: the ball to any point, he's gonna make it play.

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Speaker 12: And that's what you need.

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Speaker 1: There's a there is a point if you're like on

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Speaker 1: the content team and you're in the end zone, within

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Speaker 1: like a ten yard, there.

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Speaker 3: Was a good chance Hunter Henry's gonna catch the ball.

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Speaker 5: Yes, and you were just tracking Hunters just where he

1174
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 5: ended up. Getting your phone.

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Speaker 1: Ready, just stay within the whole time, all right. Subject

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Speaker 1: title discuss amongst yourselves Game of Thrones, Starbucks coffee cut

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Speaker 1: Darren from Saint Stephen.

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Speaker 5: So I walked into Thursday Shows late. I was at

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Speaker 5: a community event and I walk in and they're literally

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00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:00,839
Speaker 5: talking about Game of and I was like, I don't

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Speaker 5: know how we got here, but I'm glad we're here.

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Speaker 4: I was ready to go.

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Speaker 12: The theme of the show was just show ending, and

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00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 12: they started talking about Came of Thrones in bulk.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, specifically they want us talk about the Starbucks. I

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Speaker 5: assume that ended up in the show in the fire accident.

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Speaker 1: By accident in Middle Ages. There's a Starbucks coming.

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Speaker 3: Maybe there was a Starbucks there, there was not a Starbucks.

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Speaker 5: You say that there was not a Starbucks in King's

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Speaker 5: Landing to this just kind of goes back to what

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Speaker 5: we all touched on on the show was that this

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Speaker 5: last two seasons or whatever it was, got rushed because

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Speaker 5: the show runners were really trying to get a move

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Speaker 5: on so that they could go do Star Wars, which

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Speaker 5: they got fired from Star Wars anyway, so it was

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Speaker 5: all for nothing, and it just like that's what I'm

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Speaker 5: talking about, like the level of just not caring that

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Speaker 5: they had with this show that, like, I can't remember

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Speaker 5: a show that just like Times stopped when Game of

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Speaker 5: Thrones on, it was the biggest cultural phenomenon of the

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Speaker 5: twenty whenever it ran into Yeah, obviously it spanned from

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Speaker 5: the tents and twenties.

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Speaker 12: I mean the show itself was amazing. I am not

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Speaker 12: a season ending eight. I don't think it was that bad.

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Speaker 3: It was people on it. I think people think it

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Speaker 3: ended correctly.

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Speaker 12: Literally, I think it ended correctly like the show the

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Speaker 12: show needed to end with friend.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think the big thing is that they did a

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Speaker 1: table read and I forget the character's name.

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Speaker 3: He threw the script and discussed did the table reading.

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Speaker 5: I didn't realize that, but I mean it just goes

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Speaker 5: back to.

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Speaker 7: It got rushed George R.

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00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 5: Martin. He didn't get I'm not going to say fat

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Speaker 5: and he was no longer motivated to write the books.

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Speaker 5: And when you get ahead of the books, like there's

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00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:02,879
Speaker 5: so much world building that it was inconsistent and.

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Speaker 1: Now we got dire Wolves recreating before he finished the book.

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Speaker 1: But let's get to the next email, because there's there's

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Speaker 1: some more Game of Thrones in here. Email from Ryan

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Speaker 1: from Watertown High Patriots Unfiltered Gang. I'm a big fan Patriots,

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Speaker 1: Fanson's birth and PU fans is the Dark Ages, post

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Speaker 1: Brady era. Love what you guys do, and especially love

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Speaker 1: with all you bring a different perspective to the game

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Speaker 1: and the team. My quick Game of Thrones take is

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Speaker 1: that from season one to season eight, episode three of

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Speaker 1: the show is incredible. Season eight, episodes four and six

1230
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 1: were some of the worst three episodes of television and

1231
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 1: human history, and the writers should have to take a

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Speaker 1: ten year hiatus from the entertainment industry just to think

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Speaker 1: about how they let us down.

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Speaker 3: I agree with them that I've got a question for you, guys.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna list some wide receivers that could potentially be

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00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:46,920
Speaker 1: on our roster, and I want to hear from each

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00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 1: of you who makes your ideal twenty six to twenty

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Speaker 1: five to twenty six six man wide receiver room. Considering

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00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 1: Digs and mac Collins are locks. Here are the list

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Speaker 1: picks I list below. Current Patriots Pop Douglas, Kendrick bourd

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00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 1: jay In Polk, Kaysehan Boody, Javon Baker. Potential free agents

1242
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 1: are Tyler Lockett on a one year team friendly deal,

1243
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 1: Elijah Moore three years, eleven million, and then potential draft

1244
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 1: picks are Travis Hunter, Ted McMillan, Agbuka, Jayden Higgins, and

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00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 1: Trey Harris. I think it's safe to say the wide

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00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 1: receiver room is still wide open and any of these

1247
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 1: guys could be in the mix.

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Speaker 3: Can't wait to hear your thoughts. Thanks, guys, just.

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Speaker 12: I'll jump right into it. I guess I would say

1250
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 12: with Diggs and Hollins being locked, yep, in that sense,

1251
00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 12: if Hunters available, if Buk is available, if they take

1252
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 12: one of those first or second rounders type of guys.

1253
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:37,440
Speaker 12: I think that is when they will become locks. And

1254
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 12: if that happens, you have to look at the guys. Yeah,

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00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 12: three and up is a lock in my opinion, I think.

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00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 12: I mean Booty is a Locke. I think Pop's a lock.

1257
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 12: I think Polk is a lock. Ye, So that's three

1258
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 12: right there. You have like the fringe guys are.

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00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:54,120
Speaker 3: Bigger and you reach six.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think the fringe guys are Baker and KB.

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00:58:57,760 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 7: I agree. I love Tyler Lockett.

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00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:01,720
Speaker 1: I think he's a little on the older side, but

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00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 1: I think we got our vets with Hollins and Diggs.

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00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:07,919
Speaker 1: Elijah Moore, I mean he was a high draft pick,

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00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 1: hasn't really hit his stride. I think I don't really

1267
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 1: see it there. So I think what you listen is

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00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 1: spot on.

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00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, I like it too, It's just I go about it. Okay,

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00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:19,960
Speaker 5: is it my pipe dream list with Hunter even available

1271
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 5: for us? Or do I play it more realistically? Going

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00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:27,440
Speaker 5: more realistically, I think that's a scenario where Kendrick Bourne

1273
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 5: is maybe still around, because how do you get Hunter.

1274
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 5: It's just it just it seems like further and further

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00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 5: of a possibility of each passing day.

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Speaker 1: I think also like some of the guys we listed

1277
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 1: could maybe be a trade candidate because I think Kendrick

1278
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 1: barn stills a lot to give, So.

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Speaker 5: You know, for sure, Booty, I do too, and that's

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Speaker 5: why I'm not necessarily willing to turn the page. Whereas,

1281
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Speaker 5: like I know that, I feel like a lot of

1282
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:56,000
Speaker 5: people feel like Polk is a lock, but like me, personally,

1283
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 5: I just haven't seen a ton out of him, and

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00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:01,880
Speaker 5: I know that only going to be a second year, but.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 6: I think that's that's I think the only logic behind it.

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01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 1: I think I think you'll find out some stuff pretty

1288
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:08,640
Speaker 1: quickly within the first two weeks of camp.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, honestly.

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01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:10,560
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But all right, guys, thank you for being on the

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Speaker 1: PU extras. Be sure to send in more emails to

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Speaker 1: podcasts at Patriots dot com because if they don't get

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Speaker 2: And now great moments in.

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Speaker 3: History. So I do the thing where you see somebody

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Speaker 3: I'm like? You know, mostly go around, go around. You know,

1303
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:47,160
Speaker 3: He's like, you wouldn't do it, wouldn't go around. Finally,

1304
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 3: you know, he decides, oh, I'll go around. So he

1305
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:52,200
Speaker 3: goes around, but then he decides to do a pull

1306
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:55,240
Speaker 3: up roll down. He pulls up next to me. He

1307
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:57,960
Speaker 3: pulls the pull up, pull up, roll down and pulls

1308
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:00,600
Speaker 3: down the window. So he starts talk to me, and

1309
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:02,680
Speaker 3: I just say, keep driving.

1310
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:03,480
Speaker 4: Just like that.

1311
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:05,439
Speaker 3: You have the kids in the backseat. I don't care,

1312
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 3: but I just say keep He goes. We'll talk later.

1313
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:13,280
Speaker 3: I know we won't, you know, by end of day.

1314
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:18,640
Speaker 3: That was it. That's another great moment from all Right,

1315
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 3: Fun and Fun and parking lots. I was so annoyed

1316
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:29,439
Speaker 3: at that person pull up, rolled down. All right, we're

1317
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:32,520
Speaker 3: talking draft. We're gonna take some calls, emails. I know

1318
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:36,760
Speaker 3: everyone's been patiently waiting to get there two cents in,

1319
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:43,440
Speaker 3: So let's start with Patty and agawam, what's up Patty?

1320
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:45,600
Speaker 3: I guess he's not there.

1321
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:45,960
Speaker 4: All right.

1322
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 3: These people have been holding on a long time. I

1323
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:52,920
Speaker 3: don't blame him. Dave in Florida what's up, Dave, David

1324
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:58,640
Speaker 3: and Florida. He's gone all right? Christian in La everyone's

1325
01:01:58,680 --> 01:02:00,880
Speaker 3: favorite call table. What's Christian.

1326
01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:05,800
Speaker 13: Call from?

1327
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:07,880
Speaker 4: Might be the volume?

1328
01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:11,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, it could be, but anyway, David and Bethlehem rites

1329
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:14,880
Speaker 3: into podcast at Patriots dot Com. He says Paul and

1330
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:18,600
Speaker 3: Evan are glibally underestimating the difficulty of switching from right

1331
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:22,400
Speaker 3: tackle to left tackle. Most fail try shaving left handed.

1332
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:25,360
Speaker 3: Fred Astaire was a great dancer. Ginger Rogers did everything

1333
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:28,880
Speaker 3: he did backwards and wearing heels. Likely Membo has never

1334
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:32,640
Speaker 3: played left tackle because he can't do what you do well.

1335
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:35,640
Speaker 4: I just want to emphatically state that I have no

1336
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:38,120
Speaker 4: interest in drafting Membo and moving him to left tackle.

1337
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:41,240
Speaker 4: I would draft Membo as the right tackle at four.

1338
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:44,200
Speaker 4: I said, no, I'm not saying that. I'm saying if

1339
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:46,640
Speaker 4: I were to, like Evan had him in his mock draft,

1340
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:50,840
Speaker 4: if I thought that Membo was better than Campbell, so

1341
01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:53,240
Speaker 4: I want to take the better player, I would take him,

1342
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:56,120
Speaker 4: and he'd be my right tackle of the future. Because

1343
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:57,919
Speaker 4: Morgan Moses is thirty four years old.

1344
01:02:58,080 --> 01:03:00,720
Speaker 3: My thing with tackles is a lot the same with

1345
01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:02,760
Speaker 3: defensive backs. If you're a tackle and you can play

1346
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:05,400
Speaker 3: left tackle, you play left tackle. If you're a defensive

1347
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 3: back and your play corner, you play corner.

1348
01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:11,680
Speaker 4: I can't argue with that, see what I'm saying.

1349
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:13,520
Speaker 6: I never said it was easy or like that it

1350
01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:15,000
Speaker 6: was a shoeing that he could do it. So I

1351
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:16,840
Speaker 6: don't know where that's coming from. I never said that,

1352
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:19,960
Speaker 6: But there I can see the argument for it. Like

1353
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 6: if he if they draft him and they play him

1354
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:26,600
Speaker 6: at left tackle as a rookie, and it goes great,

1355
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:28,680
Speaker 6: then great, you have your left tackle. If it goes

1356
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:31,720
Speaker 6: poorly or not not so great, then.

1357
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:33,720
Speaker 4: You guys have to right You guys have done it.

1358
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:36,040
Speaker 6: So it's just a case for it. I'm not saying.

1359
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:37,120
Speaker 6: This is why I would say.

1360
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:40,840
Speaker 4: You know, and again, if you could play left tackle,

1361
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:43,120
Speaker 4: you tried to make the switch, and he could do it, fine,

1362
01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:46,480
Speaker 4: But I'm okay if he can't, because I need a

1363
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:49,880
Speaker 4: right tackle too, right. That's that was my point. But

1364
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:53,720
Speaker 4: there's a there's a list of guys that played one

1365
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:56,240
Speaker 4: side of the Joe Walt played left tackle throughout his

1366
01:03:56,240 --> 01:03:58,040
Speaker 4: college career. You played right tackle last year for the

1367
01:03:58,120 --> 01:03:59,520
Speaker 4: Chargers at an all pro level.

1368
01:03:59,640 --> 01:04:02,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, so, I think, But that's like going from corner

1369
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:05,720
Speaker 3: to safety. That happens a lot. No, rarely you go

1370
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:06,880
Speaker 3: in safety to corner.

1371
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:11,120
Speaker 4: No, no, no, But I'm saying tackles switch sides. Most can't

1372
01:04:11,120 --> 01:04:14,440
Speaker 4: do it. Some can't, I know. Ye.

1373
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:16,320
Speaker 3: I think it's easy left to right.

1374
01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:18,280
Speaker 4: There's not any easier than left right. I think it is.

1375
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:18,960
Speaker 3: I think it is.

1376
01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:22,200
Speaker 4: It's it's. It might be considered an easier, like a

1377
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:24,840
Speaker 4: less important position. I think it's, but it's still everything

1378
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:25,480
Speaker 4: is backwards.

1379
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:28,960
Speaker 3: It is, it is, But the mistakes aren't his glaring.

1380
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:31,120
Speaker 3: I think it's a little easier to transition from left

1381
01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:31,440
Speaker 3: to right.

1382
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:32,880
Speaker 6: Yeah. I mean there's a couple of guys that have

1383
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:37,280
Speaker 6: done it from I'm getting my right and left confused

1384
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:40,120
Speaker 6: from right to left. Tristan WARF's is probably the ones

1385
01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:40,880
Speaker 6: and most recent.

1386
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:43,440
Speaker 3: There's always exceptional Tyron.

1387
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:45,680
Speaker 6: Smith Fred's guy did it too. He played right tackle

1388
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:48,720
Speaker 6: at USC and then went and actually played right tackle

1389
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:51,240
Speaker 6: to start in Dallas for a little bit, and then

1390
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:54,240
Speaker 6: eventually went to left, just like Worfs. Wof Worfs played

1391
01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:58,720
Speaker 6: three full years at right tackle for Tampa Bay, and

1392
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:01,120
Speaker 6: then his fourth season they chained him to left tackle.

1393
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:03,200
Speaker 6: He was a first team All Pro last year at

1394
01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:06,920
Speaker 6: left tackle. You know, we talked to Doug Morone was

1395
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:09,560
Speaker 6: it earlier this month, and he had a guy in

1396
01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:12,640
Speaker 6: New Orleans who did it, Jamal Brown, who was a

1397
01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:15,760
Speaker 6: first round pick by the Saints. He played right tackle

1398
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:17,920
Speaker 6: to start his career in New Orleans and then they

1399
01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:19,400
Speaker 6: moved him to left and he was a Pro bowler

1400
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:22,720
Speaker 6: at left tackle. So it's all I'm telling you is

1401
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:23,560
Speaker 6: that it's been done.

1402
01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:27,240
Speaker 4: Don't like it's this one. Did Orlando Brown play right

1403
01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:31,680
Speaker 4: tackle at one point and then they're they're changed to

1404
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:32,280
Speaker 4: left tackle?

1405
01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:35,520
Speaker 6: Very possible. The other one is Jedrick Wills with Cleveland,

1406
01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:39,160
Speaker 6: who played right tackle at Alabama and then played left tackle.

1407
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:44,200
Speaker 4: And my bigger point, like, just again, if member, if

1408
01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:48,880
Speaker 4: you thought, if you have him evaluated greater than Campbell,

1409
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:51,480
Speaker 4: the right left thing wouldn't be the by determining factor.

1410
01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:54,000
Speaker 4: It would be the better player. But I also would

1411
01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:57,040
Speaker 4: just say, we've just given you a couple of examples

1412
01:05:57,080 --> 01:05:59,800
Speaker 4: of guys who switched sides and done it well. There

1413
01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:03,160
Speaker 4: are really no examples of guys with arms. And I

1414
01:06:03,200 --> 01:06:07,520
Speaker 4: won't say definitively as short as will Campbell's because of

1415
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:09,560
Speaker 4: the discrepancy between the combine numbers and.

1416
01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:11,080
Speaker 6: The PRODA numbers.

1417
01:06:11,160 --> 01:06:13,400
Speaker 4: But there is no example of a guy who had

1418
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:15,800
Speaker 4: thirty two and five ahs inch arms or shorter that

1419
01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:19,680
Speaker 4: has succeeded over the last twenty five years.

1420
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:22,440
Speaker 6: That's true if you evaluate the tape and I come

1421
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:24,760
Speaker 6: away from the tape saying Will Campbell's the better player.

1422
01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:27,280
Speaker 6: But if you evaluate the tape and say Rembu's the

1423
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:30,920
Speaker 6: better player, then to me, the right to left and

1424
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:33,200
Speaker 6: the short arms cancel each other out like.

1425
01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:35,080
Speaker 4: One is kind of how I would feel about it.

1426
01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:37,960
Speaker 4: That's why I would say I'm comfortable with Membo being

1427
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:40,960
Speaker 4: a right tackle if it doesn't work with Campbell, he's

1428
01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:44,160
Speaker 4: a guard. Now, to me, there's a big difference between

1429
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:46,960
Speaker 4: filling the right tackle spot and then filling a guard spot. Yeah,

1430
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:49,920
Speaker 4: I mean I think the way again. My buddy Mike

1431
01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:52,920
Speaker 4: Reese this morning said, well, you know, even if like

1432
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:54,640
Speaker 4: he wants to do you a sort of your double

1433
01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:57,560
Speaker 4: dip thing. So if you get Will Campbell at four

1434
01:06:57,720 --> 01:07:00,960
Speaker 4: and then are able to sort of squeak out connorly or.

1435
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:02,880
Speaker 3: I don't want to double dip at the position.

1436
01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:07,200
Speaker 4: Ursery, well, like, the worst case scenario is you know

1437
01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:09,760
Speaker 4: the worst case you can't do it? Well. Yeah, I

1438
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:13,080
Speaker 4: suppose it was a very Patriots dot Com like comment. Right,

1439
01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:15,760
Speaker 4: worst case scenario, Yeah, you should get two All pros

1440
01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:17,880
Speaker 4: playing on the left side, though one of them plays

1441
01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:19,640
Speaker 4: left tackle, one of them plays left guard, and your

1442
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:21,960
Speaker 4: offensive line is okay for at least the next five years.

1443
01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:25,080
Speaker 3: Yep, yep. Nick in Boston writes in to answer your

1444
01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:27,520
Speaker 3: question from earlier in the show, Patriots don't consider Gibson

1445
01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:30,080
Speaker 3: the answer as pass catching back because he's a bad

1446
01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:30,920
Speaker 3: pass blocker.

1447
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:33,680
Speaker 4: In my opinion, that's a good point. That's a very

1448
01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:34,400
Speaker 4: good point, email.

1449
01:07:34,560 --> 01:07:36,880
Speaker 6: I don't think this is a great pass blocking class,

1450
01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:39,000
Speaker 6: to be honest with you, Yeah, he's right.

1451
01:07:39,040 --> 01:07:40,960
Speaker 4: I think Gibson does struggle a little bit. He had

1452
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:43,200
Speaker 4: some good pickups, but he does struggle a little bit.

1453
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:46,040
Speaker 3: And that separately. Todd McShay said yesterday that teams he's

1454
01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:49,000
Speaker 3: spoken to picking in the top ten are happy that

1455
01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:51,280
Speaker 3: Will Campbell is the pick at for so better players

1456
01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:55,320
Speaker 3: fall to them. Please draft Membo, who is an actual

1457
01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:58,160
Speaker 3: tackle or genty. I know drafting and running back at

1458
01:07:58,160 --> 01:08:00,640
Speaker 3: the top of the draft is horrible, asked management, but

1459
01:08:00,680 --> 01:08:02,600
Speaker 3: at least he has a chance to be elite. The

1460
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:05,360
Speaker 3: Giants are used as the main example of white drafting

1461
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:07,760
Speaker 3: running back doesn't move the needle, but I think that

1462
01:08:07,880 --> 01:08:11,600
Speaker 3: argument is missing context. The year before the Giants drafted Saquon,

1463
01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:14,600
Speaker 3: their offense ranked thirty first, and then it ranked sixteenth.

1464
01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:17,840
Speaker 3: In Saquon's rookie season, the offense was average because they

1465
01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:22,200
Speaker 3: had a diminished quarterback, but Saquon still provided a large boost.

1466
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:24,679
Speaker 6: Well, I think Eli Manning was hurt the year before

1467
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:26,160
Speaker 6: and then came back and played.

1468
01:08:26,400 --> 01:08:32,839
Speaker 4: Don't let facts get in the way. But yeah, actually

1469
01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:36,519
Speaker 4: I don't. Yeah, I don't remember, because Eli was very durable,

1470
01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:39,519
Speaker 4: but he played through Maybe he played through injury.

1471
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:41,840
Speaker 6: He had one season where he missed a lot of

1472
01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:44,920
Speaker 6: games or missed some games, and it might have not

1473
01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:45,479
Speaker 6: been that one.

1474
01:08:45,400 --> 01:08:49,200
Speaker 4: Because I thought macadoo ended his streak. Buddy Ben McAdoo.

1475
01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:52,120
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, he had a consecutive from started streak and

1476
01:08:52,120 --> 01:08:53,920
Speaker 4: then he decided to bench him late late in the

1477
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:54,400
Speaker 4: last time.

1478
01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:57,280
Speaker 6: Okay, I had my ears mixed up, but I don't

1479
01:08:57,960 --> 01:09:00,240
Speaker 6: The emailer might be right about the rankings. I don't

1480
01:09:00,240 --> 01:09:02,920
Speaker 6: know if he's using yards, points, whatever, but I don't

1481
01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:04,720
Speaker 6: think that's the point. Is We're not trying to be

1482
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:07,160
Speaker 6: the sixteenth best offense right in the NFL.

1483
01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:09,879
Speaker 4: And I don't really care what the like the numbers.

1484
01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:13,000
Speaker 4: I want to win games and the Giants didn't win games.

1485
01:09:13,280 --> 01:09:16,600
Speaker 3: Alex, I don't know what you're saying. Just say it.

1486
01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:20,080
Speaker 3: Oh good, yeah, okay, thank you, Okay, I'm just.

1487
01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:20,640
Speaker 6: To go to them.

1488
01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:25,639
Speaker 4: I would just go, you know, does the guy lead

1489
01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:26,519
Speaker 4: you to win games?

1490
01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:27,000
Speaker 6: Right?

1491
01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:29,960
Speaker 4: And I'm not saying don't take genty because he could

1492
01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:32,920
Speaker 4: help your offensive. He's the best player then, like you know,

1493
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:34,400
Speaker 4: more power to you.

1494
01:09:34,680 --> 01:09:37,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I think the argument for gent other

1495
01:09:37,040 --> 01:09:39,439
Speaker 6: than him just being the best player, is that you

1496
01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:43,120
Speaker 6: would think that there could be some sort of gravity

1497
01:09:43,320 --> 01:09:45,720
Speaker 6: of him being on the field, where you get more

1498
01:09:45,760 --> 01:09:48,439
Speaker 6: seven and eight man boxes, you get guys that bite

1499
01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:50,840
Speaker 6: a little bit harder on play action, like he's the

1500
01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:54,160
Speaker 6: vocal point of the game plan, like those types of things. Now,

1501
01:09:54,760 --> 01:09:57,400
Speaker 6: for the most part, the numbers would say that, doesn't

1502
01:09:57,439 --> 01:09:58,560
Speaker 6: it really I should.

1503
01:09:58,439 --> 01:10:01,280
Speaker 4: Know the answer to this question. Ball security issues with

1504
01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:02,599
Speaker 4: him at all in school college.

1505
01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:05,240
Speaker 6: He had four fumbles last year. I mean, the game

1506
01:10:05,240 --> 01:10:08,040
Speaker 6: against Penn State wasn't good, but I think a lot

1507
01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:10,960
Speaker 6: of that was I'm trying to break six tackles to,

1508
01:10:11,240 --> 01:10:14,800
Speaker 6: you know, make this run happen. And I'm you know,

1509
01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:16,679
Speaker 6: he gets stripped like towards the end of the run,

1510
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:18,800
Speaker 6: kind of like Remondrey, you know.

1511
01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:20,960
Speaker 3: But I still not good.

1512
01:10:21,080 --> 01:10:24,559
Speaker 6: I wouldn't say it's it's maybe a small sea concern.

1513
01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:27,600
Speaker 3: All Right, people are back on the phones. Let's go

1514
01:10:27,640 --> 01:10:31,000
Speaker 3: to David and Florida. What's up David, Hey.

1515
01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:32,320
Speaker 4: Guys, what's it going good?

1516
01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:34,320
Speaker 14: Yeah?

1517
01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:37,040
Speaker 15: So I had two things here. First. Firstly, I wanted

1518
01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:39,840
Speaker 15: to apologize to Paul hearing that you had to walk

1519
01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:43,840
Speaker 15: in on Fred Hard at work today. So the second

1520
01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:48,320
Speaker 15: thing is that I've actually speaking of Paul. I've realized

1521
01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:50,559
Speaker 15: that I've started to talk like him a little bit

1522
01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:52,800
Speaker 15: when it comes to some of this draft stuff. But

1523
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:56,720
Speaker 15: I'm seeing people online saying, I like Will Campbell just

1524
01:10:56,720 --> 01:10:58,559
Speaker 15: not at four, or I like this player, just not

1525
01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:00,280
Speaker 15: And then I just responded with you don't like.

1526
01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:02,599
Speaker 4: Him, you don't like him. Yeah, that's that's well done.

1527
01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:05,040
Speaker 15: I completely agree with that. That is such a good

1528
01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:07,400
Speaker 15: response to some of these arguments, and I feel like

1529
01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:09,559
Speaker 15: a lot of people have to hear that. So thankful.

1530
01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:14,840
Speaker 4: I'm glad I could help yeah, and I do get

1531
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:17,360
Speaker 4: there's some nuanced thanks David to that line of thought.

1532
01:11:17,479 --> 01:11:19,920
Speaker 4: You know, like I think Will Campbell's going to be

1533
01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:21,760
Speaker 4: a really good football player, but I'm not sure he's

1534
01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:24,839
Speaker 4: worth the fourth pick. Now. I do think this draft

1535
01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:28,360
Speaker 4: is kind of unique. I think in this draft you

1536
01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:30,840
Speaker 4: can make an argument that he's the fourth best player.

1537
01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:33,559
Speaker 3: Is this all because of COVID? This draft just the

1538
01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:35,559
Speaker 3: way things kind of fell out?

1539
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:40,040
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't in terms of smarter people's available.

1540
01:11:39,520 --> 01:11:42,280
Speaker 3: In this draft, like a lot of guys, you know,

1541
01:11:42,360 --> 01:11:45,280
Speaker 3: it's it's almost like that bridge, like after this year,

1542
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:48,200
Speaker 3: COVID's in the in the rearview mirror, like this is

1543
01:11:48,240 --> 01:11:50,000
Speaker 3: the last effects of COVID.

1544
01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:52,799
Speaker 4: Well that's supposed to be true, Like this is about

1545
01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:54,920
Speaker 4: the end of the extra years. There's like there's a

1546
01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:57,280
Speaker 4: lot of six year guys in this draft, but that's.

1547
01:11:57,080 --> 01:12:00,000
Speaker 3: Why the college rosters and that effects who's available.

1548
01:12:00,439 --> 01:12:03,320
Speaker 4: You know, Yeah, no, it probably could be. Yeah, I

1549
01:12:03,360 --> 01:12:05,200
Speaker 4: didn't really think of it in those terms, spread but

1550
01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:08,880
Speaker 4: that's logical. What you're saying is that's why there's more

1551
01:12:08,920 --> 01:12:11,800
Speaker 4: guys that haven't come out yet. That's why you know,

1552
01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:14,639
Speaker 4: maybe guys didn't commit as much. Maybe the talent's more

1553
01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:17,360
Speaker 4: spread out or you know, I don't know. Yeah, a

1554
01:12:17,400 --> 01:12:18,000
Speaker 4: lot of facts.

1555
01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:21,040
Speaker 3: Let's go to Christian in LA. What's up Christian?

1556
01:12:22,240 --> 01:12:22,559
Speaker 4: All right?

1557
01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:25,280
Speaker 13: Here you guys here you get at I see you

1558
01:12:25,320 --> 01:12:28,760
Speaker 13: having some sort of phone issues which happened, So thank

1559
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:31,679
Speaker 13: you guys for taking my call here from La where

1560
01:12:32,040 --> 01:12:37,320
Speaker 13: sunny and finally getting warm. Yeah, okay, Before so the football,

1561
01:12:37,320 --> 01:12:39,160
Speaker 13: I want to cut my haters off and say, the

1562
01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:41,400
Speaker 13: only reason why I mentioned wait for Me last week

1563
01:12:41,680 --> 01:12:44,160
Speaker 13: and the other company was because of the contact of

1564
01:12:44,280 --> 01:12:46,960
Speaker 13: the call. It wasn't me being super La as I've

1565
01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:51,240
Speaker 13: now heard. So that's that. But on the football, when

1566
01:12:51,240 --> 01:12:54,920
Speaker 13: we were talking yesterday, they were saying, how such a

1567
01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:57,920
Speaker 13: deep class at deep physics and such a deep class

1568
01:12:57,920 --> 01:13:01,040
Speaker 13: at running back. We were wondering, does that really have

1569
01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:05,439
Speaker 13: an impact on the league in terms of everyone gets

1570
01:13:05,439 --> 01:13:07,880
Speaker 13: a good defensive end. Does that like level up the

1571
01:13:07,960 --> 01:13:10,280
Speaker 13: competition in that position? And then next year there's a

1572
01:13:10,360 --> 01:13:13,639
Speaker 13: run on left tackles to sort of you know, cancel

1573
01:13:13,680 --> 01:13:16,120
Speaker 13: out for running defensive ends, or there's a run on

1574
01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:19,519
Speaker 13: running backs. The next year they do linebackers that they

1575
01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:21,719
Speaker 13: can't sl that up. Do you guys think that really

1576
01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:24,559
Speaker 13: actually has an impact on the league when they have

1577
01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:26,799
Speaker 13: a run or a deep class.

1578
01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:29,360
Speaker 3: Well, I mean deep like it's all relative. I mean

1579
01:13:29,439 --> 01:13:31,479
Speaker 3: when we say it's a deep class, I mean there's

1580
01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:34,080
Speaker 3: good players. I mean they're not all Aaron Donald or

1581
01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:37,519
Speaker 3: you know, Lawrence Taylor. You know if you had a

1582
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:40,280
Speaker 3: run on those guys. Yeah, that that affects the landscape

1583
01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:43,080
Speaker 3: of the league. But I don't think we're going there. Yeah,

1584
01:13:43,080 --> 01:13:44,880
Speaker 3: there's going to be some good players that come out

1585
01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:48,080
Speaker 3: of this draft that will make teams, and and uh,

1586
01:13:48,120 --> 01:13:49,760
Speaker 3: it will help those teams. But I don't know if

1587
01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:52,559
Speaker 3: it's it's altering, it's uh, you know.

1588
01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:54,599
Speaker 13: So it doesn't shift the league when there's a deep

1589
01:13:54,600 --> 01:13:56,160
Speaker 13: class at won specific position.

1590
01:13:56,400 --> 01:13:57,240
Speaker 4: I don't I don't think.

1591
01:13:57,280 --> 01:13:57,880
Speaker 3: I don't think so.

1592
01:13:58,080 --> 01:13:58,120
Speaker 10: No.

1593
01:13:58,280 --> 01:14:00,920
Speaker 6: I think it's more about this draft often like, yeah,

1594
01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:05,120
Speaker 6: you have to look at it and say, ash and

1595
01:14:05,200 --> 01:14:07,120
Speaker 6: Genty might be the best running back, But is the

1596
01:14:07,200 --> 01:14:09,360
Speaker 6: drop off from Ashen Genty to the running back we

1597
01:14:09,400 --> 01:14:12,800
Speaker 6: could get on Day two bigger or smaller than Will

1598
01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:15,000
Speaker 6: Campbell to the next best tackle that we're going to

1599
01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:17,240
Speaker 6: get on day two? And I think that that's where

1600
01:14:17,280 --> 01:14:20,519
Speaker 6: the arguments there are the discussions come into play about

1601
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:23,240
Speaker 6: who they're going to take at four overall is well,

1602
01:14:23,640 --> 01:14:25,880
Speaker 6: Will Campbell might not be as good of a player

1603
01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:29,880
Speaker 6: as Ashon Genty, but we can get you know, RJ.

1604
01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:32,040
Speaker 6: Harvey on day two of the draft at running back,

1605
01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:34,960
Speaker 6: and there is no equivalent to RJ. Harvey at the

1606
01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:38,400
Speaker 6: tackle position. The drop off at tackle is significant, so

1607
01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:40,920
Speaker 6: we have to what we'd rather lean in. You know,

1608
01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:43,479
Speaker 6: I think the same thing about edge rusher, Like, yeah,

1609
01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:46,759
Speaker 6: Jalen Walker is a good player, but you can find

1610
01:14:47,200 --> 01:14:49,920
Speaker 6: good edge rushers in this class probably into day three

1611
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:52,320
Speaker 6: of the draft. So do you need to take the

1612
01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:55,519
Speaker 6: edge rusher at four or can you take the position

1613
01:14:55,600 --> 01:14:58,040
Speaker 6: of need at tackle and then take the edge rusher

1614
01:14:58,120 --> 01:14:58,639
Speaker 6: on day two?

1615
01:14:58,920 --> 01:15:02,200
Speaker 3: You know, I don't think there's ever been a draft

1616
01:15:02,439 --> 01:15:06,000
Speaker 3: where so many great players from one position came out

1617
01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:09,000
Speaker 3: of that draft that had altered what other teams had

1618
01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:10,720
Speaker 3: to do the next year too.

1619
01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:13,559
Speaker 4: Right, and that like, I don't think you can control

1620
01:15:13,680 --> 01:15:17,400
Speaker 4: where the talent is going to be sort of situated.

1621
01:15:17,840 --> 01:15:20,280
Speaker 4: You know, I have heard a lot of different draft

1622
01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:23,679
Speaker 4: guys talk about they have the most amount of running

1623
01:15:23,720 --> 01:15:28,400
Speaker 4: backs in this draft with draftable grades since whatever two

1624
01:15:28,439 --> 01:15:32,320
Speaker 4: thousand and eight. Or something I've heard some different years.

1625
01:15:32,840 --> 01:15:36,960
Speaker 4: But that doesn't mean next year there will be like

1626
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:40,479
Speaker 4: a lot of off ball linebackers, you know that that

1627
01:15:40,520 --> 01:15:43,559
Speaker 4: are going to be ready made to offset those running backs.

1628
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:46,000
Speaker 4: Like you, I don't think you control where the talent

1629
01:15:46,160 --> 01:15:47,960
Speaker 4: is going to be concentrated from draft to draft.

1630
01:15:48,080 --> 01:15:53,120
Speaker 6: Now multiple drafts, you know, for example, interior defensive line,

1631
01:15:53,400 --> 01:15:57,240
Speaker 6: like there we are in a a what's the word

1632
01:15:57,400 --> 01:16:02,680
Speaker 6: like golden era of interior pass rushers like this is

1633
01:16:02,720 --> 01:16:07,120
Speaker 6: probably I mean Aaron Donald retired, So maybe that that

1634
01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:11,599
Speaker 6: brings it down a slight notch. But you know, Chris Jones,

1635
01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:15,760
Speaker 6: Jalen Carter, you know, those types of level players. Like

1636
01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:18,599
Speaker 6: it's just all throughout the league there's great interior pass rushers.

1637
01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:21,559
Speaker 6: So now guards and centers are becoming a little bit

1638
01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:23,400
Speaker 6: more valuable than maybe they were five years.

1639
01:16:23,439 --> 01:16:26,880
Speaker 3: Oh, I would say that over multiple drafts, there was

1640
01:16:26,920 --> 01:16:31,360
Speaker 3: an alteration at quarterback in the AFC. You know, like

1641
01:16:31,439 --> 01:16:34,519
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, you had Herbert and you had

1642
01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:39,080
Speaker 3: Mahomes and you had Josh Allen, you know, and that

1643
01:16:39,479 --> 01:16:42,400
Speaker 3: altered things, you know, the structure in the AFC. But

1644
01:16:42,680 --> 01:16:45,679
Speaker 3: it's multiple years, it's never it's usually not just one.

1645
01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:50,280
Speaker 4: So, but that's a good example. So the AFC right

1646
01:16:50,320 --> 01:16:54,840
Speaker 4: now has you know, a half dozen top flight quarterbacks.

1647
01:16:55,080 --> 01:16:57,680
Speaker 4: So if you're in the AFC, you're gonna need to

1648
01:16:57,720 --> 01:17:00,479
Speaker 4: be able to play some pass defense, right, But if

1649
01:17:00,479 --> 01:17:03,040
Speaker 4: the cornerbacks are not worthy of taking in the first round,

1650
01:17:03,080 --> 01:17:05,080
Speaker 4: you can't just say, well, I need a cornerback, right,

1651
01:17:05,439 --> 01:17:07,960
Speaker 4: you know, if they are. You know, obviously that's usually

1652
01:17:07,960 --> 01:17:10,280
Speaker 4: a pretty deep position in any draft. There's a lot

1653
01:17:10,280 --> 01:17:13,200
Speaker 4: of defensive backs. But that's when you get in trouble

1654
01:17:13,240 --> 01:17:15,000
Speaker 4: if you say, well, I got to go up against

1655
01:17:15,040 --> 01:17:17,320
Speaker 4: you know, Mahomes, you know, twice a year, and I

1656
01:17:17,360 --> 01:17:19,960
Speaker 4: got to find a way to well, I can't just

1657
01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:22,439
Speaker 4: take jeff A Kuda right number three. Overall, I know

1658
01:17:22,479 --> 01:17:24,639
Speaker 4: Detroit Tuch Camm and not anybody in the AFC West,

1659
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:27,600
Speaker 4: But if he's not worthy of that pick, that's not

1660
01:17:27,680 --> 01:17:29,600
Speaker 4: a good pick, just because you need a corner to

1661
01:17:29,640 --> 01:17:32,040
Speaker 4: go against these high flying passing attacks.

1662
01:17:32,240 --> 01:17:34,760
Speaker 3: Eldred's in North Carolina? What's up? Eldred?

1663
01:17:35,800 --> 01:17:36,000
Speaker 6: Hey?

1664
01:17:36,080 --> 01:17:36,320
Speaker 14: Out of.

1665
01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:43,320
Speaker 16: H question? Uh, gret, I love you. Behind the invo

1666
01:17:43,479 --> 01:17:46,240
Speaker 16: wide receivers, Dante Thorton is my guy.

1667
01:17:46,760 --> 01:17:51,040
Speaker 6: If you tell you that one, I mean if who's Tennessee.

1668
01:17:51,439 --> 01:17:55,040
Speaker 4: Okay, he's in there's no question that's Eldrid's guy.

1669
01:17:56,040 --> 01:17:59,880
Speaker 3: He made my envelope.

1670
01:18:00,120 --> 01:18:03,360
Speaker 4: It's a good time to transition to the envelope there.

1671
01:18:06,439 --> 01:18:12,519
Speaker 16: Yeah, a question, would you stick somebody's toes up doing

1672
01:18:12,520 --> 01:18:16,439
Speaker 16: a draft? Give a third for the Raiders left tackle?

1673
01:18:16,560 --> 01:18:22,280
Speaker 16: If he if they trade him and then let Carolina move,

1674
01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:24,240
Speaker 16: what will you get a first in a second? Did

1675
01:18:24,240 --> 01:18:27,240
Speaker 16: you move down and get get what you need? Would

1676
01:18:27,320 --> 01:18:29,720
Speaker 16: y'all do that? Or would you stick and pick? What's

1677
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:32,640
Speaker 16: the point you got with rounds you got? And I

1678
01:18:32,760 --> 01:18:33,960
Speaker 16: go from there? Thank you?

1679
01:18:34,160 --> 01:18:35,639
Speaker 3: Okay, thanks Elder, Thanks Biggy.

1680
01:18:36,280 --> 01:18:38,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I'm interested in coldon Miller. I don't

1681
01:18:38,680 --> 01:18:40,080
Speaker 4: know if you'd have to give up a third round

1682
01:18:40,120 --> 01:18:42,240
Speaker 4: pick because you're going to have to give him a contract. Yeah,

1683
01:18:42,479 --> 01:18:44,880
Speaker 4: so that would lower I would think the draft compensation.

1684
01:18:45,240 --> 01:18:47,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, it would certainly free them up at the top

1685
01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:47,160
Speaker 6: of it.

1686
01:18:47,200 --> 01:18:50,680
Speaker 4: You're available, yeah, I don't think there's any indications so

1687
01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:52,280
Speaker 4: far that he's available.

1688
01:18:51,960 --> 01:18:54,280
Speaker 3: Right, that was like on day one when he didn't

1689
01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:57,120
Speaker 3: show up. All these stories, they haven't heard anything.

1690
01:18:56,960 --> 01:18:59,639
Speaker 4: Since he's in the contract, right, you know, yeah, knit

1691
01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:02,840
Speaker 4: with the Raiders. But that doesn't mean he's available, right.

1692
01:19:02,840 --> 01:19:06,439
Speaker 3: So anyway, we talked about the envelo. So here's an envelope, right,

1693
01:19:06,479 --> 01:19:10,479
Speaker 3: here's the front of the envelope. In the envelope, you know,

1694
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:14,320
Speaker 3: we have something in the novel, and then you have

1695
01:19:14,439 --> 01:19:19,559
Speaker 3: the back of the envelope. So, but I've only done

1696
01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:22,400
Speaker 3: these are only well, we did wide receivers last week.

1697
01:19:22,479 --> 01:19:25,240
Speaker 3: So I only have really kind of three positions that

1698
01:19:25,280 --> 01:19:27,639
Speaker 3: I've really looked at for back of the envelope other

1699
01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:31,719
Speaker 3: than wide receiver. I started with the tackle. I didn't

1700
01:19:31,720 --> 01:19:33,720
Speaker 3: go into guards and centers. Who cares. I didn't get

1701
01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:34,120
Speaker 3: into that.

1702
01:19:34,160 --> 01:19:35,720
Speaker 6: I'll do that for you. So I don't know.

1703
01:19:35,840 --> 01:19:39,479
Speaker 3: I just looked at tackles. So I have five people

1704
01:19:39,640 --> 01:19:41,599
Speaker 3: on my back of the envelope. They may not all

1705
01:19:41,640 --> 01:19:46,559
Speaker 3: be that unknown or you know, but Ozzie Trapillo I

1706
01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:47,519
Speaker 3: like him b C.

1707
01:19:47,720 --> 01:19:51,680
Speaker 4: So I picked him as a guy that could be

1708
01:19:51,720 --> 01:19:52,280
Speaker 4: a Patriot.

1709
01:19:52,439 --> 01:19:53,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know like that.

1710
01:19:54,040 --> 01:19:55,960
Speaker 4: By the end of the draft, so and so will

1711
01:19:55,960 --> 01:19:57,800
Speaker 4: be on the Patriots. Yeah he could be one of them.

1712
01:19:57,800 --> 01:19:59,960
Speaker 3: Six eight, three, sixteen. I have him as the heir

1713
01:20:00,120 --> 01:20:05,200
Speaker 3: to Moses. Right at right tackle, I have Logan Brown

1714
01:20:05,240 --> 01:20:08,800
Speaker 3: out of Kansas. He's a six six three eleven. I

1715
01:20:08,800 --> 01:20:13,240
Speaker 3: called him a project, never misses a game. He saw

1716
01:20:13,320 --> 01:20:15,000
Speaker 3: a lot of these tackles don't miss games.

1717
01:20:15,400 --> 01:20:20,639
Speaker 6: You know, very athletic, very high upside. But you probably

1718
01:20:20,680 --> 01:20:23,000
Speaker 6: read this and the Beast maybe, but he's had some

1719
01:20:24,200 --> 01:20:26,479
Speaker 6: He had to transfer from Wisconsin, let's just put it

1720
01:20:26,520 --> 01:20:29,080
Speaker 6: to you that way for some issues that happened at

1721
01:20:29,080 --> 01:20:33,000
Speaker 6: the Wisconsin program. Ye, if he if that hadn't happened,

1722
01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:35,519
Speaker 6: it's one of those guys like if that hadn't happened,

1723
01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:38,719
Speaker 6: we're probably talking about him pushing the top one hundred

1724
01:20:39,040 --> 01:20:41,360
Speaker 6: of this draft. He's going to get knocked a couple

1725
01:20:41,439 --> 01:20:42,400
Speaker 6: of rounds because of.

1726
01:20:42,640 --> 01:20:44,679
Speaker 3: It's okay, the past things we do in our youth,

1727
01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:44,960
Speaker 3: you know.

1728
01:20:45,040 --> 01:20:47,439
Speaker 6: Yeah, we got into it with a teammate a little bit.

1729
01:20:47,960 --> 01:20:51,639
Speaker 3: Another left tackle, Miles Hinton out of Michigan's six six

1730
01:20:51,720 --> 01:20:54,280
Speaker 3: three twenty five. I noted that he only has one

1731
01:20:54,320 --> 01:20:55,320
Speaker 3: flag in two years.

1732
01:20:55,400 --> 01:20:57,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's a lot of people that are really high

1733
01:20:57,160 --> 01:20:59,760
Speaker 6: on Miles Hinton. He's, you know, kind of one of

1734
01:20:59,800 --> 01:21:02,000
Speaker 6: those guys highly touted out of high school. You know,

1735
01:21:02,040 --> 01:21:04,960
Speaker 6: went to a big, you know, blue blood program, you know,

1736
01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:08,040
Speaker 6: power five school, power four, whatever you call it. Uh,

1737
01:21:08,080 --> 01:21:11,160
Speaker 6: there there's a there's some Day three buzz for Miles

1738
01:21:11,479 --> 01:21:13,000
Speaker 6: Hinton that that's for sure.

1739
01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:16,960
Speaker 3: I can't read my own writing. Left tackle Jalen is

1740
01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:19,599
Speaker 3: a Travis Travis Travis out of Iowa State.

1741
01:21:20,160 --> 01:21:23,799
Speaker 6: As strong as an ox, big, big dude, like six eight.

1742
01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:25,519
Speaker 3: Six seven six eight three thirty nine.

1743
01:21:25,560 --> 01:21:29,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, huge, huge tackle is a little stiff, little heavy footed,

1744
01:21:29,280 --> 01:21:31,360
Speaker 6: but but it's got all of the people moving and

1745
01:21:31,400 --> 01:21:32,439
Speaker 6: all that stuff checked.

1746
01:21:32,600 --> 01:21:32,880
Speaker 7: Yep.

1747
01:21:34,720 --> 01:21:37,280
Speaker 3: And then finally I have him at tackle or guard

1748
01:21:37,680 --> 01:21:41,360
Speaker 3: Xavier Trust out of Georgia six seven three eighteen. He's

1749
01:21:41,520 --> 01:21:42,360
Speaker 3: Rhode Island guy.

1750
01:21:42,600 --> 01:21:46,559
Speaker 6: Yeah, reminds me of McLendon, Warren McClendon, who also came

1751
01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:50,240
Speaker 6: from Georgia. You know, probably like a flex tackle guard,

1752
01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:52,280
Speaker 6: you know, probably a backup in the league, but can

1753
01:21:52,320 --> 01:21:55,400
Speaker 6: probably back up both spots, and those guys are valuable.

1754
01:21:55,479 --> 01:21:59,360
Speaker 3: Yeah. Uh so that's my tackle position. Then I did

1755
01:21:59,400 --> 01:22:02,639
Speaker 3: a couple of runs. Obviously, Skataboo's won.

1756
01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:05,880
Speaker 4: He's you know, he's actually like your Stataboo one.

1757
01:22:06,000 --> 01:22:09,719
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's some buzz about Skataboo not having as many

1758
01:22:09,760 --> 01:22:12,479
Speaker 6: fans in the league as he does in the meeting.

1759
01:22:12,680 --> 01:22:14,599
Speaker 4: Well, he's kind of a hard oh, and he's not

1760
01:22:14,880 --> 01:22:16,200
Speaker 4: totally season He's not.

1761
01:22:16,360 --> 01:22:18,160
Speaker 6: As you know, there's a lot of questions about his

1762
01:22:18,200 --> 01:22:21,320
Speaker 6: play speed and his explosiveness and how athletic he truly

1763
01:22:21,479 --> 01:22:23,439
Speaker 6: is and all that kind of stuff. So I'm actually

1764
01:22:23,439 --> 01:22:25,519
Speaker 6: really interested to see where he goes because I think

1765
01:22:25,520 --> 01:22:26,479
Speaker 6: he'll be a Day three pick.

1766
01:22:26,560 --> 01:22:28,559
Speaker 4: Day three. Yeah, he's a Day three guy.

1767
01:22:28,640 --> 01:22:34,479
Speaker 3: Yeah. And laquin Allan Syracuse six foot about two oh five.

1768
01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:38,120
Speaker 3: He got into a fight early in his career, not

1769
01:22:38,280 --> 01:22:40,439
Speaker 3: on the field, but you know that's why you like,

1770
01:22:40,520 --> 01:22:42,879
Speaker 3: I'm getting in a little trouble. But he's a hard worker.

1771
01:22:43,080 --> 01:22:45,240
Speaker 3: All his coaches love him, and he's got huge hands

1772
01:22:45,240 --> 01:22:46,000
Speaker 3: for a running back.

1773
01:22:46,080 --> 01:22:49,320
Speaker 6: Yeah. So he's probably the best all around past catching

1774
01:22:49,360 --> 01:22:52,040
Speaker 6: back in this class. He's one of the few guys

1775
01:22:52,040 --> 01:22:54,400
Speaker 6: that can actually block at the position. He's a very

1776
01:22:54,479 --> 01:22:57,679
Speaker 6: high level pass blocker, a very good pass catcher out

1777
01:22:57,720 --> 01:23:00,000
Speaker 6: of the backfield. It reminds me a little bit of

1778
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:02,240
Speaker 6: Rashad White in Tampa Bay. You know, that kind of

1779
01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:04,160
Speaker 6: player that they can get out of the backfield and

1780
01:23:04,200 --> 01:23:07,240
Speaker 6: catch passes. But out of everything that that you can

1781
01:23:07,280 --> 01:23:09,880
Speaker 6: give to Laquinn al And he might be the best

1782
01:23:09,920 --> 01:23:11,360
Speaker 6: pass bocker in the entire class.

1783
01:23:11,400 --> 01:23:14,000
Speaker 4: So it's funny you brought up Rashad White. Yeah, he

1784
01:23:14,200 --> 01:23:18,400
Speaker 4: was also one of the guys that Schefter had being

1785
01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:22,479
Speaker 4: potentially available with the emergence of Bucky Irving. Yeah, I'd

1786
01:23:22,479 --> 01:23:25,040
Speaker 4: give up a draft a late draft pick for Rashad

1787
01:23:25,080 --> 01:23:27,680
Speaker 4: White if if that's something that you really want to do.

1788
01:23:27,840 --> 01:23:29,720
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's gonna be tough to get any value for

1789
01:23:29,800 --> 01:23:31,600
Speaker 6: running backs with the class that it is about to

1790
01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:33,200
Speaker 6: come in, Like, you know, why would you trade a

1791
01:23:33,280 --> 01:23:35,200
Speaker 6: draft pick when you could draft one.

1792
01:23:35,080 --> 01:23:37,320
Speaker 4: Of these Dudescause I have a guy who's ready made.

1793
01:23:37,320 --> 01:23:38,639
Speaker 4: I don't have to wait for him to be ready,

1794
01:23:38,720 --> 01:23:39,280
Speaker 4: that's true.

1795
01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:42,439
Speaker 3: And then I only picked two for defensive end edge

1796
01:23:42,479 --> 01:23:45,600
Speaker 3: because it's such a deep draft. For that it's like

1797
01:23:46,479 --> 01:23:49,960
Speaker 3: they're all pretty good as you can see. I like

1798
01:23:50,040 --> 01:23:54,080
Speaker 3: the local guys. Donovan ez Juraku. Yeah, so from BC

1799
01:23:54,160 --> 01:23:57,280
Speaker 3: six to forty eight ACC Defensive Player of the Year.

1800
01:23:57,439 --> 01:24:00,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that's something. Yeah, had like sixteen sacks

1801
01:24:00,120 --> 01:24:02,240
Speaker 6: last year. He is agent switched up.

1802
01:24:02,360 --> 01:24:05,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm surprised that you didn't know of him, not really,

1803
01:24:06,680 --> 01:24:08,479
Speaker 4: like just because of the name, Like it's a you know,

1804
01:24:09,640 --> 01:24:10,040
Speaker 4: stands out.

1805
01:24:11,360 --> 01:24:13,599
Speaker 3: And then the late draft guy, maybe even Ah.

1806
01:24:13,800 --> 01:24:14,680
Speaker 4: He's a first round a.

1807
01:24:14,600 --> 01:24:18,200
Speaker 3: Free undrafted free agent R j Oben out of Notre

1808
01:24:18,320 --> 01:24:21,280
Speaker 3: Dame sixty three two fifty one. He's more polished than

1809
01:24:21,320 --> 01:24:24,720
Speaker 3: you would think as a pass rusher, has a lot

1810
01:24:24,760 --> 01:24:26,920
Speaker 3: of experience. I think he's played six years. He played

1811
01:24:26,920 --> 01:24:30,639
Speaker 3: at Duke before Notre Dame. It's nothing else. He's special teams,

1812
01:24:30,680 --> 01:24:34,200
Speaker 3: but I think he could actually become a rotational pass rusher.

1813
01:24:34,520 --> 01:24:36,920
Speaker 6: He's got some moves in his arsenal. He's he's not

1814
01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:38,840
Speaker 6: quite the athlete that some of these other guys are,

1815
01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:41,040
Speaker 6: which is why he's gonna go a little bit later.

1816
01:24:41,120 --> 01:24:42,400
Speaker 4: But he's got skills.

1817
01:24:42,479 --> 01:24:45,120
Speaker 6: He's got skilled he's got hands, he's got heavy hands,

1818
01:24:45,280 --> 01:24:47,240
Speaker 6: he's got some counters to his game. He's he was

1819
01:24:48,560 --> 01:24:50,760
Speaker 6: it was the word. He was decent and mobile, like

1820
01:24:50,760 --> 01:24:53,040
Speaker 6: we saw him at the Senior Bowl and he was solid.

1821
01:24:53,200 --> 01:24:55,599
Speaker 6: But Donovan Azaraku, who is one of my favorites, he's

1822
01:24:55,640 --> 01:24:59,120
Speaker 6: he's gonna go early. I you know, just twitched up,

1823
01:24:59,360 --> 01:25:02,559
Speaker 6: sudden mover, can rush off the edge, speed, rush beat

1824
01:25:02,600 --> 01:25:06,439
Speaker 6: you inside defense the run. Well, just a really good player.

1825
01:25:06,479 --> 01:25:09,320
Speaker 3: So Asaraku probably doesn't qualify as a back of the

1826
01:25:09,439 --> 01:25:10,439
Speaker 3: envelope guy, he's too.

1827
01:25:10,960 --> 01:25:14,320
Speaker 6: He's a top thirty two talent in the draft.

1828
01:25:14,439 --> 01:25:16,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I think I want to say it was

1829
01:25:16,760 --> 01:25:19,160
Speaker 4: the Florida State game that I really noticed him, Like

1830
01:25:19,240 --> 01:25:20,559
Speaker 4: he wrecked that game.

1831
01:25:20,800 --> 01:25:23,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's right there with you know, like Mike Green

1832
01:25:23,160 --> 01:25:25,479
Speaker 6: and Shamar Stewart and all those guys. You know, he's

1833
01:25:25,479 --> 01:25:27,679
Speaker 6: a little bit cleaner off the field than my Green.

1834
01:25:27,760 --> 01:25:30,000
Speaker 6: So I could actually see him going ahead of Mike

1835
01:25:30,040 --> 01:25:31,920
Speaker 6: Green in the draft. I think he's a back end

1836
01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:32,920
Speaker 6: of the first round talent.

1837
01:25:33,160 --> 01:25:38,720
Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, so I hope to get to, uh, defensive backs, linebackers,

1838
01:25:38,720 --> 01:25:41,160
Speaker 3: and tight ends. Those are the other three positions I

1839
01:25:41,200 --> 01:25:43,759
Speaker 3: want to get to before doing Jaggie.

1840
01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:45,000
Speaker 4: Wide receivers this year.

1841
01:25:45,960 --> 01:25:47,120
Speaker 3: Already, did I know?

1842
01:25:47,120 --> 01:25:47,960
Speaker 4: But they were good ones?

1843
01:25:48,160 --> 01:25:53,320
Speaker 3: No, n oh yeah, nickname Thornton's late draft.

1844
01:25:53,360 --> 01:25:54,160
Speaker 4: You had, you had Nick.

1845
01:25:54,479 --> 01:25:57,920
Speaker 6: He's not Day one or two, right, Dante Thornton. Yeah,

1846
01:25:58,920 --> 01:25:59,599
Speaker 6: but he's so.

1847
01:25:59,560 --> 01:26:01,880
Speaker 3: I can sit anyone that's day three. I consider that's

1848
01:26:01,960 --> 01:26:04,040
Speaker 3: back of the envelope, you know.

1849
01:26:04,400 --> 01:26:07,639
Speaker 6: Sure, right, Yeah, you're right, those are good names. Good tackles,

1850
01:26:07,680 --> 01:26:09,880
Speaker 6: You are right, good tackles. Those guys, I think, you know,

1851
01:26:09,920 --> 01:26:13,320
Speaker 6: Logan Brown, Travis like those guys are all flyers at

1852
01:26:13,320 --> 01:26:15,760
Speaker 6: the You know on day three that a lot of

1853
01:26:15,840 --> 01:26:19,040
Speaker 6: people have liked it throughout this process. You know, size

1854
01:26:19,080 --> 01:26:21,639
Speaker 6: with Travis and athleticism with Brown. Yeah.

1855
01:26:22,160 --> 01:26:25,759
Speaker 3: Okay, so let's get back to the phones. We've got

1856
01:26:26,160 --> 01:26:28,120
Speaker 3: Kareem in Boston. What's up, Kareem?

1857
01:26:29,360 --> 01:26:33,120
Speaker 17: Hey, guys, it's Boston dream here on my question, is

1858
01:26:33,400 --> 01:26:37,240
Speaker 17: there any chance that we completely hunt on left tackle

1859
01:26:37,280 --> 01:26:39,280
Speaker 17: when we just take a flyer and the team just

1860
01:26:39,320 --> 01:26:42,639
Speaker 17: goes best player available and then addresses the position next year?

1861
01:26:42,800 --> 01:26:46,000
Speaker 4: I do think I would say there's a chance. I

1862
01:26:46,040 --> 01:26:48,280
Speaker 4: think it's probably unlikely, but yeah, I could make an

1863
01:26:48,360 --> 01:26:48,880
Speaker 4: argument for.

1864
01:26:48,840 --> 01:26:49,599
Speaker 3: That, yep.

1865
01:26:51,240 --> 01:26:53,639
Speaker 17: And then is there any chance that we can bring

1866
01:26:53,680 --> 01:26:56,320
Speaker 17: back the pickleback shots this year for the draft show?

1867
01:26:57,200 --> 01:26:57,400
Speaker 4: Oh?

1868
01:26:57,920 --> 01:26:58,720
Speaker 3: What's what do you say?

1869
01:27:00,080 --> 01:27:03,960
Speaker 4: Pickle juice the shots? Yeah, pickleback shots. So you guys

1870
01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:05,400
Speaker 4: didn't you and Andy do that one year?

1871
01:27:06,080 --> 01:27:06,680
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1872
01:27:07,400 --> 01:27:09,479
Speaker 6: I don't think you need to do that left tackle

1873
01:27:10,040 --> 01:27:12,320
Speaker 6: like you don't need to. I don't think you need

1874
01:27:12,360 --> 01:27:14,920
Speaker 6: to skip it like. I think there's gonna if you

1875
01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:17,280
Speaker 6: truly want to stick to the board and play best player, like,

1876
01:27:17,320 --> 01:27:19,599
Speaker 6: there's gonna be tackles on that you're gonna be able

1877
01:27:19,640 --> 01:27:22,599
Speaker 6: to draft it the spots on day you know, day one,

1878
01:27:22,680 --> 01:27:27,040
Speaker 6: day two that you can justify sticking to the board

1879
01:27:27,120 --> 01:27:28,960
Speaker 6: and taking those guys. I don't think you have to

1880
01:27:29,680 --> 01:27:31,200
Speaker 6: thank Boston a position.

1881
01:27:31,920 --> 01:27:34,240
Speaker 3: Let's go to Brad in Ohio. What's up, Brad?

1882
01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:37,160
Speaker 13: Hey, how you guys doing today?

1883
01:27:37,439 --> 01:27:38,320
Speaker 3: Okay?

1884
01:27:39,200 --> 01:27:40,200
Speaker 15: Ready for the draft?

1885
01:27:41,000 --> 01:27:41,519
Speaker 3: Getting ready?

1886
01:27:41,560 --> 01:27:42,120
Speaker 6: Getting there?

1887
01:27:43,439 --> 01:27:47,559
Speaker 14: That's right. A couple of quick questions for you guys today,

1888
01:27:47,920 --> 01:27:52,000
Speaker 14: keep up the good job. Just to qu uh if

1889
01:27:52,040 --> 01:27:55,920
Speaker 14: we look at it from a defensive perspective and gleaming

1890
01:27:56,479 --> 01:28:01,080
Speaker 14: from what Rabel said in his interview, which defensive player

1891
01:28:01,640 --> 01:28:05,479
Speaker 14: do you think would be the best to counter from

1892
01:28:05,479 --> 01:28:11,400
Speaker 14: a Patrick Mahomes, Allen and Jackson given uh, you know

1893
01:28:11,640 --> 01:28:14,679
Speaker 14: that position, because he'd be talked about a premium position.

1894
01:28:14,840 --> 01:28:17,519
Speaker 14: So I'm thinking he's going to go somebody to try

1895
01:28:17,520 --> 01:28:19,720
Speaker 14: to go after one of them. Who would be the

1896
01:28:19,760 --> 01:28:20,559
Speaker 14: best for that?

1897
01:28:20,560 --> 01:28:22,200
Speaker 15: That's my first question.

1898
01:28:22,760 --> 01:28:26,200
Speaker 14: And then there's a couple Iowa players a defensive tackle

1899
01:28:26,360 --> 01:28:31,720
Speaker 14: Yaya Black I believe, and linebacker Higgins that I'd like

1900
01:28:31,800 --> 01:28:36,479
Speaker 14: to see maybe looked into. And then Luke Lackie a

1901
01:28:36,560 --> 01:28:41,280
Speaker 14: tight end. And I did ask Evan and Alex once

1902
01:28:41,320 --> 01:28:44,519
Speaker 14: about double dipping a tight end. And the reason why

1903
01:28:44,680 --> 01:28:47,320
Speaker 14: is because the ones we have are good, but they're

1904
01:28:47,439 --> 01:28:50,519
Speaker 14: just kind of old. So I was wondering if maybe

1905
01:28:50,520 --> 01:28:54,280
Speaker 14: we should you know, upgrade for Drake's perspectives.

1906
01:28:54,360 --> 01:28:58,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, tight ends, you know, Yeah, yeah, all right, thanks Brad.

1907
01:28:59,280 --> 01:29:01,120
Speaker 6: I don't think you have the draft two of them.

1908
01:29:00,960 --> 01:29:04,280
Speaker 6: I don't see the need for that. But adding a

1909
01:29:04,320 --> 01:29:06,599
Speaker 6: tight end to the developmental pipeline.

1910
01:29:06,920 --> 01:29:10,880
Speaker 3: The first question about like who's the best, the best

1911
01:29:10,920 --> 01:29:13,519
Speaker 3: to go after I would I.

1912
01:29:13,479 --> 01:29:17,240
Speaker 4: Mean, yeah, it's abdul Cotter in this draft. I mean,

1913
01:29:17,280 --> 01:29:20,760
Speaker 4: I like Jalen Walker, you know, as a realistic possibility

1914
01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:24,800
Speaker 4: at four. But that's one thing that stood out to

1915
01:29:24,840 --> 01:29:28,000
Speaker 4: me with rabel Is when he talked about, sort of

1916
01:29:28,160 --> 01:29:32,559
Speaker 4: as introductory press conference, guys who affect the quarterback. And

1917
01:29:32,800 --> 01:29:35,439
Speaker 4: that's why I think they still have a need for

1918
01:29:35,640 --> 01:29:41,639
Speaker 4: edge rush. And I think Evan's point about the depth

1919
01:29:41,680 --> 01:29:43,800
Speaker 4: of that spot makes a lot of sense, Like I

1920
01:29:43,800 --> 01:29:46,000
Speaker 4: don't necessarily think you need to use the fourth overall

1921
01:29:46,040 --> 01:29:48,880
Speaker 4: pick on that position, because you can get a really

1922
01:29:48,880 --> 01:29:52,600
Speaker 4: good one, as you said, Fred with Azaraku as a

1923
01:29:52,640 --> 01:29:54,719
Speaker 4: guy later in the first round that might be available

1924
01:29:54,760 --> 01:29:56,479
Speaker 4: even at the top of the second when you go,

1925
01:29:57,280 --> 01:29:59,600
Speaker 4: is that that much of a difference. Probably not, ye,

1926
01:30:00,040 --> 01:30:02,360
Speaker 4: especially with with Walker, even though I have a crush

1927
01:30:02,360 --> 01:30:05,519
Speaker 4: on Walker, there is some question as to whether does

1928
01:30:05,520 --> 01:30:08,040
Speaker 4: he fit best as a pure edge guy or is

1929
01:30:08,080 --> 01:30:10,679
Speaker 4: he sort of an off the ball linebacker type who

1930
01:30:10,680 --> 01:30:14,599
Speaker 4: can do sort of those different things. You know, he's smaller,

1931
01:30:14,640 --> 01:30:16,400
Speaker 4: but kind of like Don the high tower where you

1932
01:30:16,439 --> 01:30:19,120
Speaker 4: use him as an edge rusher and certain situations he

1933
01:30:19,160 --> 01:30:21,680
Speaker 4: comes up the a gap. On other situations, He's not

1934
01:30:21,720 --> 01:30:23,519
Speaker 4: as big as his high tower, as I said, But

1935
01:30:24,200 --> 01:30:26,000
Speaker 4: how much has that kind of versatility?

1936
01:30:26,200 --> 01:30:30,000
Speaker 3: How much do we have to factor in the vraable

1937
01:30:30,080 --> 01:30:32,720
Speaker 3: type of player in trying to figure out who's going

1938
01:30:32,760 --> 01:30:33,360
Speaker 3: to get picked.

1939
01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:37,040
Speaker 6: I do think it's getting a tad overrated, thank you

1940
01:30:37,200 --> 01:30:37,880
Speaker 6: at this point.

1941
01:30:38,120 --> 01:30:38,720
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1942
01:30:38,800 --> 01:30:41,760
Speaker 6: I think there are certain positions, you know where they

1943
01:30:41,800 --> 01:30:43,880
Speaker 6: talk about effort and finish. Well, if you're gonna play

1944
01:30:43,920 --> 01:30:46,360
Speaker 6: defense or offensive line, then effort and finish is going

1945
01:30:46,439 --> 01:30:48,880
Speaker 6: to be a big part of the position that you play.

1946
01:30:49,360 --> 01:30:51,479
Speaker 6: But are they going to take a guy you know,

1947
01:30:51,840 --> 01:30:54,760
Speaker 6: Jalen Walker is getting a lot of buzz because he

1948
01:30:54,880 --> 01:30:59,160
Speaker 6: has got all the intangible qualities that vrabel wants. He's

1949
01:30:59,200 --> 01:31:02,439
Speaker 6: going to be a team captain. Someday, He's gonna have

1950
01:31:02,520 --> 01:31:05,559
Speaker 6: great effort and finish. He's gonna be, you know, one

1951
01:31:05,600 --> 01:31:08,120
Speaker 6: of those high character guys in the locker room and

1952
01:31:09,000 --> 01:31:09,920
Speaker 6: want that and that.

1953
01:31:11,320 --> 01:31:14,760
Speaker 4: And that's why I think Evans percent right. He's a

1954
01:31:14,880 --> 01:31:18,160
Speaker 4: rable guy. Like what coach doesn't want guys that play hard,

1955
01:31:18,760 --> 01:31:21,240
Speaker 4: you know, work, they work hard on and off the field,

1956
01:31:21,320 --> 01:31:24,679
Speaker 4: the team oriented, they finish, play to the whistlelake right,

1957
01:31:24,920 --> 01:31:26,960
Speaker 4: I mean all coaches want those kinds of things.

1958
01:31:27,040 --> 01:31:30,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know. With Jalen Walker, I posted

1959
01:31:31,200 --> 01:31:34,080
Speaker 6: a breakdown of him today and I think, Paul, you

1960
01:31:34,160 --> 01:31:35,920
Speaker 6: nailed it to me. Like I have Jalen Walker as

1961
01:31:35,920 --> 01:31:38,240
Speaker 6: a linebacker, A lot of people have Jaalen Walker as

1962
01:31:38,240 --> 01:31:41,040
Speaker 6: an edge rusher. I just at six one, two forty,

1963
01:31:41,040 --> 01:31:42,840
Speaker 6: I don't see how you're gonna play edge rusher full

1964
01:31:42,880 --> 01:31:45,080
Speaker 6: time in the NFL. So I look at him as

1965
01:31:45,120 --> 01:31:46,920
Speaker 6: high tower, like he's gonna play off the ball on

1966
01:31:47,000 --> 01:31:49,880
Speaker 6: first and second down and then on third down they'll

1967
01:31:49,920 --> 01:31:51,960
Speaker 6: put him in the pass rush somewhere, whether it's you know,

1968
01:31:52,040 --> 01:31:54,720
Speaker 6: over the guard or out over the tackle. But I

1969
01:31:54,960 --> 01:31:58,280
Speaker 6: don't see him as a full time pass rusher. Guy

1970
01:31:58,320 --> 01:32:00,880
Speaker 6: off the edge. But I think that he's gonna be

1971
01:32:00,960 --> 01:32:02,680
Speaker 6: able to do a little bit of both. And he's

1972
01:32:02,680 --> 01:32:05,960
Speaker 6: gonna bring the intangibles in the in the football character

1973
01:32:06,439 --> 01:32:06,880
Speaker 6: side of.

1974
01:32:06,840 --> 01:32:09,120
Speaker 4: It, and he definitely has that. I mean they people

1975
01:32:09,160 --> 01:32:15,240
Speaker 4: speak of him really glowingly in terms yeah leadership and professionalism.

1976
01:32:15,439 --> 01:32:17,680
Speaker 6: He has a chance to be like a captain as

1977
01:32:17,720 --> 01:32:19,360
Speaker 6: a second year player, like you know that, like a

1978
01:32:19,360 --> 01:32:23,840
Speaker 6: Devin mccordy type of captain for a decade type of player.

1979
01:32:23,920 --> 01:32:27,160
Speaker 6: But is he the best player on the football field,

1980
01:32:27,160 --> 01:32:29,760
Speaker 6: which is what you know Rabel said at his introductor

1981
01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:32,719
Speaker 6: in his press conference, you know, pre draft press conference,

1982
01:32:32,800 --> 01:32:35,000
Speaker 6: was He's gotta be a good football player first, Like

1983
01:32:35,000 --> 01:32:37,479
Speaker 6: we're not just drafting a bunch of boy scouts. You

1984
01:32:37,520 --> 01:32:40,000
Speaker 6: have to have good football players first.

1985
01:32:39,920 --> 01:32:42,479
Speaker 3: Michael writes, And I'm interested in the idea of trading down.

1986
01:32:42,520 --> 01:32:44,400
Speaker 3: If we trade down with the Saints at number nine,

1987
01:32:44,400 --> 01:32:46,840
Speaker 3: what are the chances will Campbell will still be available?

1988
01:32:47,120 --> 01:32:48,920
Speaker 3: And if not, do we hit the panic button and

1989
01:32:48,960 --> 01:32:51,880
Speaker 3: grab Kelvin Banks or armored Membu at nine.

1990
01:32:52,320 --> 01:32:54,599
Speaker 4: So I'm glad you brought this up. I do think

1991
01:32:54,600 --> 01:32:56,400
Speaker 4: there's a chance that you could do something like that.

1992
01:32:56,479 --> 01:32:58,479
Speaker 4: I don't know exactly what the odds are, but I

1993
01:32:58,520 --> 01:33:00,560
Speaker 4: don't think it's out of the ramapass ability that you

1994
01:33:00,560 --> 01:33:03,040
Speaker 4: could still get Campbell. I want to talk to Evan

1995
01:33:03,040 --> 01:33:05,600
Speaker 4: about Kelvin Banks a little bit. Yeah, you guys know,

1996
01:33:05,920 --> 01:33:08,519
Speaker 4: like going back to like during the season, Kelvin Banks

1997
01:33:08,560 --> 01:33:12,439
Speaker 4: was my tackle of choice. Yeah, he sort of slipped

1998
01:33:12,439 --> 01:33:16,400
Speaker 4: after getting you know, ironically getting dominated by my guy

1999
01:33:16,840 --> 01:33:23,120
Speaker 4: Jalen Walker and that Georgia Mikels defense. Yeah, he seems

2000
01:33:23,160 --> 01:33:25,800
Speaker 4: to be on the rise again. Am I imagining that?

2001
01:33:25,960 --> 01:33:29,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, we're getting uh, we're going full circle here with

2002
01:33:29,320 --> 01:33:33,080
Speaker 6: two guys Tet McMillan and Kelvin Banks. Sounds like a

2003
01:33:33,160 --> 01:33:35,400
Speaker 6: lot of the buzz that Tet McMillan was gonna fall

2004
01:33:35,479 --> 01:33:37,960
Speaker 6: maybe to like the twenty range that seems to be

2005
01:33:38,000 --> 01:33:41,120
Speaker 6: a little bit overblown. Similarly, with Banks, I think both

2006
01:33:41,160 --> 01:33:43,880
Speaker 6: those guys are you know, probably going the ten to

2007
01:33:43,880 --> 01:33:47,280
Speaker 6: twenty range conservatively, but are still going to go early

2008
01:33:47,960 --> 01:33:49,679
Speaker 6: in the draft. I think the one thing that people

2009
01:33:49,720 --> 01:33:52,559
Speaker 6: have concerns with with Banks that tackle, because a lot

2010
01:33:52,560 --> 01:33:56,320
Speaker 6: of people project Banks to play guard at the next level.

2011
01:33:56,320 --> 01:33:58,439
Speaker 6: Actually he's he's a guard in the beast, you know.

2012
01:33:58,560 --> 01:34:01,280
Speaker 6: Dan Brugler has him as a guard. The more space

2013
01:34:01,320 --> 01:34:04,280
Speaker 6: he plays in, the body control and the balance is

2014
01:34:04,320 --> 01:34:06,720
Speaker 6: not always there. So when he gets out on an

2015
01:34:06,760 --> 01:34:09,519
Speaker 6: island against pass pass rushers and he's got a dance

2016
01:34:09,560 --> 01:34:11,280
Speaker 6: with those guys out there, he's not the best at

2017
01:34:11,280 --> 01:34:15,599
Speaker 6: sustaining blocks and being able to stay connected to those

2018
01:34:15,640 --> 01:34:18,479
Speaker 6: pass rushers. So some people think that his playing style

2019
01:34:18,560 --> 01:34:21,679
Speaker 6: is a little bit more conducive to playing inside versus outside.

2020
01:34:21,720 --> 01:34:23,760
Speaker 6: But I think that the league views him as a

2021
01:34:23,760 --> 01:34:25,560
Speaker 6: top twenty player in the class.

2022
01:34:25,280 --> 01:34:27,840
Speaker 4: And I think, yeah, it's funny. I mean, I don't

2023
01:34:27,880 --> 01:34:30,280
Speaker 4: pretend to be the expert on offensive line play, but

2024
01:34:30,320 --> 01:34:33,080
Speaker 4: he seems to me to have prototypical.

2025
01:34:32,560 --> 01:34:36,599
Speaker 6: There's a lot of parotypical trades. Extremely wide bodied guy.

2026
01:34:36,800 --> 01:34:40,240
Speaker 6: You know, he's got the length, he's got the foot speed, athleticism,

2027
01:34:40,920 --> 01:34:43,559
Speaker 6: but a really good run blocker already.

2028
01:34:43,560 --> 01:34:46,040
Speaker 4: Again, it's not a lot of character to Fred high

2029
01:34:46,120 --> 01:34:47,479
Speaker 4: character guy Ki Banks.

2030
01:34:47,479 --> 01:34:50,840
Speaker 3: There you go, yep, Jack and and Auber. Who's our

2031
01:34:51,320 --> 01:34:53,960
Speaker 3: insider at Michigan, he says, Miles hint and transferred to

2032
01:34:53,960 --> 01:34:56,559
Speaker 3: Michigan from Stanford. He played very little his first year

2033
01:34:56,600 --> 01:34:59,280
Speaker 3: to do to injury. He played left tackle the next season.

2034
01:34:59,439 --> 01:35:01,840
Speaker 3: He never lived up to his billing. He's a huge

2035
01:35:01,840 --> 01:35:04,840
Speaker 3: guy who doesn't play physically. Early on, he struggled with

2036
01:35:04,880 --> 01:35:08,200
Speaker 3: pass protection. He eventually settled in as a solid, but

2037
01:35:08,360 --> 01:35:11,839
Speaker 3: not dominant left tackle. I'm skeptical he will ever develop

2038
01:35:11,840 --> 01:35:14,280
Speaker 3: into a starting left tackle in the NFL. He would

2039
01:35:14,320 --> 01:35:17,120
Speaker 3: be worth drafting in the sixth or seventh round. Perhaps

2040
01:35:17,200 --> 01:35:20,160
Speaker 3: Hinton has a better future in the NFL as a guard.

2041
01:35:21,040 --> 01:35:22,880
Speaker 6: I don't know about the guard part. I mean, I

2042
01:35:23,240 --> 01:35:26,160
Speaker 6: watched him at tackle, and I just if you're going

2043
01:35:26,240 --> 01:35:28,439
Speaker 6: day three, like I think he's spot on that he's

2044
01:35:28,439 --> 01:35:30,640
Speaker 6: a Day three pick, there's no doubt about that. But

2045
01:35:30,680 --> 01:35:33,280
Speaker 6: if you're going day three, he's got a lot of

2046
01:35:33,280 --> 01:35:37,559
Speaker 6: the raw tools and measurables that lend themselves to a

2047
01:35:37,600 --> 01:35:39,559
Speaker 6: higher ceiling than some of the other guys you know

2048
01:35:39,800 --> 01:35:42,960
Speaker 6: over thirty four inch arms, really good athlete, you know,

2049
01:35:43,200 --> 01:35:45,719
Speaker 6: highly touted guy that never lived up to the building.

2050
01:35:45,760 --> 01:35:47,680
Speaker 6: But you put him in the right program with the

2051
01:35:47,760 --> 01:35:51,000
Speaker 6: right coach and maybe you get you know, that five

2052
01:35:51,120 --> 01:35:54,519
Speaker 6: star talent out of him. So as a day three flyer,

2053
01:35:54,600 --> 01:35:56,639
Speaker 6: like that's what teams are looking for, or the guys

2054
01:35:56,640 --> 01:35:59,160
Speaker 6: that have some upside and some ceiling to them.

2055
01:35:59,160 --> 01:36:02,240
Speaker 3: At that point of the draft, spiin Frezo says, listening

2056
01:36:02,320 --> 01:36:04,519
Speaker 3: to the first three callers speaking and not being heard

2057
01:36:04,560 --> 01:36:07,120
Speaker 3: by you guys and then getting hung up on with hilarious.

2058
01:36:07,560 --> 01:36:10,040
Speaker 3: Four boys had to walk the plank, and Fred, my

2059
01:36:10,080 --> 01:36:13,280
Speaker 3: appliance guy, gave the thumbs up on speed. Queen. Oh

2060
01:36:13,320 --> 01:36:16,559
Speaker 3: it's yeah, listen, I know what I'm talking about there

2061
01:36:19,280 --> 01:36:22,320
Speaker 3: Ford in Savannah. Fred, let it be known we were

2062
01:36:22,360 --> 01:36:25,519
Speaker 3: lockstep on lad and now we are once again with

2063
01:36:25,640 --> 01:36:29,400
Speaker 3: Tyler Warren Evan. Him being good at multitude of things

2064
01:36:29,479 --> 01:36:32,080
Speaker 3: is not a good argument for not selecting him. Let's

2065
01:36:32,080 --> 01:36:34,000
Speaker 3: go Patriots, please surprise us.

2066
01:36:34,320 --> 01:36:37,040
Speaker 6: It was really good at multiple things, but wasn't actually good.

2067
01:36:37,120 --> 01:36:40,040
Speaker 6: Adelius Thomas like, I feel like there's a lot of

2068
01:36:40,040 --> 01:36:46,280
Speaker 6: players like that that are just like it, just I mean,

2069
01:36:46,280 --> 01:36:49,479
Speaker 6: obviously different positions, but like I think in the league

2070
01:36:49,520 --> 01:36:51,800
Speaker 6: you have to have a something that you're elite at

2071
01:36:52,080 --> 01:36:54,000
Speaker 6: to truly move the needle for a team. Like what

2072
01:36:54,160 --> 01:36:56,479
Speaker 6: is the one thing that you can hang your hat

2073
01:36:56,520 --> 01:36:59,000
Speaker 6: on and say I am awesome at this?

2074
01:36:59,760 --> 01:37:02,240
Speaker 4: That's the question in this draft, because I would agree

2075
01:37:02,280 --> 01:37:03,880
Speaker 4: with you, you need to be elite at something if

2076
01:37:03,880 --> 01:37:05,680
Speaker 4: you're going to be one of those picks. Yeah, you're

2077
01:37:05,720 --> 01:37:08,360
Speaker 4: gonna be a top ten pick in a draft. You

2078
01:37:08,439 --> 01:37:10,240
Speaker 4: got to have an elite trade. But maybe in this

2079
01:37:10,320 --> 01:37:13,240
Speaker 4: draft there aren't a lot of guys with elite traits. Yeah,

2080
01:37:13,280 --> 01:37:14,800
Speaker 4: so you just picture the next best.

2081
01:37:14,920 --> 01:37:17,160
Speaker 6: He's one of the cleanest prospects in the draft. Like you,

2082
01:37:17,160 --> 01:37:19,479
Speaker 6: you're going to get a starting at tight end. I

2083
01:37:19,520 --> 01:37:21,920
Speaker 6: just don't know if he's going to be an elite

2084
01:37:21,920 --> 01:37:23,679
Speaker 6: tight end. You know, he's going to be a good

2085
01:37:23,720 --> 01:37:26,559
Speaker 6: tight end for a long time. I'm also agist, so

2086
01:37:26,640 --> 01:37:29,280
Speaker 6: that's part of it too. He's older, and I don't

2087
01:37:29,680 --> 01:37:32,280
Speaker 6: I don't love older prospects. Like, it's not impressive to

2088
01:37:32,320 --> 01:37:35,479
Speaker 6: me when like a twenty four year old owns eighteen

2089
01:37:35,560 --> 01:37:35,920
Speaker 6: year olds.

2090
01:37:35,960 --> 01:37:37,960
Speaker 4: You don't have to agree with you on the on

2091
01:37:38,080 --> 01:37:43,920
Speaker 4: that as Belichick, Yeah, tended to gravitate to the underclassman

2092
01:37:44,000 --> 01:37:46,160
Speaker 4: a lot. Yeah, liked he liked the younger guys.

2093
01:37:46,439 --> 01:37:49,240
Speaker 3: Well, I think yeah, I mean bost teams. That's why

2094
01:37:49,280 --> 01:37:52,360
Speaker 3: those those when those juniors declare, they go higher because

2095
01:37:52,720 --> 01:37:54,480
Speaker 3: you get them for you know, they're.

2096
01:37:54,479 --> 01:37:57,080
Speaker 4: Well, it's part of it, yeah, I mean mostly they

2097
01:37:57,439 --> 01:38:00,760
Speaker 4: just more talented. Yeah, it took what five years to

2098
01:38:00,960 --> 01:38:03,200
Speaker 4: really where would those two wide receivers go if they

2099
01:38:03,240 --> 01:38:06,639
Speaker 4: came out right now? You know, Ryan was it? Ryan

2100
01:38:06,680 --> 01:38:08,120
Speaker 4: Williams and Jeremiah Smith.

2101
01:38:08,240 --> 01:38:09,559
Speaker 6: Jeremiah Smith might be the first pick.

2102
01:38:09,680 --> 01:38:12,360
Speaker 4: They might probably both be in the top ten anyway.

2103
01:38:13,120 --> 01:38:17,040
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Nick in Connecticut. If Luther Burden slips into

2104
01:38:17,120 --> 01:38:19,360
Speaker 3: the late first, early second round, I'd love for the

2105
01:38:19,400 --> 01:38:21,599
Speaker 3: Patriots to find a way to get him. This got

2106
01:38:21,640 --> 01:38:24,160
Speaker 3: me thinking about how we and Diggs, how he and

2107
01:38:24,240 --> 01:38:26,880
Speaker 3: Diggs would gel in the locker room and on the field.

2108
01:38:26,880 --> 01:38:29,360
Speaker 3: I believe both have a similar skill set, so if

2109
01:38:29,400 --> 01:38:32,080
Speaker 3: Diggs was willing to mentor him, it could be an

2110
01:38:32,080 --> 01:38:35,040
Speaker 3: amazing fit. With that said, I know Diggs has had

2111
01:38:35,040 --> 01:38:38,080
Speaker 3: the reputation of being a distraction and sometimes not having

2112
01:38:38,080 --> 01:38:41,280
Speaker 3: the best attitude. With the Burdens red flags come into

2113
01:38:41,320 --> 01:38:45,640
Speaker 3: the league, it could potentially exacerbate the issue instead of

2114
01:38:45,680 --> 01:38:48,080
Speaker 3: it being a positive. I'm just interested in where you

2115
01:38:48,120 --> 01:38:49,000
Speaker 3: guys fall on that.

2116
01:38:49,320 --> 01:38:51,800
Speaker 4: So I'm just going to talk about Diggs and I'll

2117
01:38:51,840 --> 01:38:55,519
Speaker 4: let I'll let f talk about Burden, who I love,

2118
01:38:55,600 --> 01:38:59,400
Speaker 4: by the way, but just the whole off field thing

2119
01:38:59,439 --> 01:39:01,479
Speaker 4: with Diggs, and this is something I've argued with Mike

2120
01:39:01,520 --> 01:39:04,120
Speaker 4: about a lot and I wish he was here For

2121
01:39:04,160 --> 01:39:06,519
Speaker 4: a guy who is like as big a problem as

2122
01:39:06,520 --> 01:39:08,519
Speaker 4: everybody makes him out to be. He's been on nothing

2123
01:39:08,520 --> 01:39:13,320
Speaker 4: but winning teams. In Minnesota they won, in Buffalo they won,

2124
01:39:13,479 --> 01:39:16,960
Speaker 4: and last year in Houston they won. So he can't

2125
01:39:16,960 --> 01:39:21,080
Speaker 4: be that disruptive. He's always part of a winning bad now,

2126
01:39:21,120 --> 01:39:23,599
Speaker 4: I understand that. I understand that. You know who else

2127
01:39:23,600 --> 01:39:25,200
Speaker 4: didn't win it all? Logan Mankin. Do you think he

2128
01:39:25,240 --> 01:39:25,840
Speaker 4: was disruptive?

2129
01:39:26,439 --> 01:39:28,120
Speaker 3: Well when he had his contract thing?

2130
01:39:28,280 --> 01:39:29,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's why they didn't win it all?

2131
01:39:30,880 --> 01:39:31,200
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2132
01:39:31,320 --> 01:39:35,040
Speaker 6: Yeah. I love Luther Burden. I have him as the

2133
01:39:35,040 --> 01:39:38,040
Speaker 6: third best receiver in the class. I think he's getting

2134
01:39:39,479 --> 01:39:42,519
Speaker 6: dinged for the off field stuff and for the character stuff,

2135
01:39:42,560 --> 01:39:45,320
Speaker 6: And to me, he's the biggest litmus test of the

2136
01:39:45,320 --> 01:39:48,439
Speaker 6: whole Rabel thing in this entire draft. Like, if the

2137
01:39:48,479 --> 01:39:51,920
Speaker 6: Patriots passed on Luther Burden at thirty eight, then I

2138
01:39:52,200 --> 01:39:57,320
Speaker 6: will be hundred percent sold that Rabel's football character. And

2139
01:39:57,400 --> 01:40:00,280
Speaker 6: you know, getting the right kind of guy is holding

2140
01:40:00,320 --> 01:40:02,519
Speaker 6: a lot of weight in the draft room because that

2141
01:40:02,600 --> 01:40:05,559
Speaker 6: guy is definitely a first round talent. So like, you

2142
01:40:05,600 --> 01:40:07,840
Speaker 6: can't pass on him on thirty eight based off the

2143
01:40:07,840 --> 01:40:10,599
Speaker 6: football I think He's a little bit different than Diggs,

2144
01:40:10,640 --> 01:40:13,240
Speaker 6: Like he's better after the catch and he's more elusive

2145
01:40:13,240 --> 01:40:16,320
Speaker 6: with the ball in his hands than Stefan Diggs, but

2146
01:40:16,400 --> 01:40:19,120
Speaker 6: not maybe as good of a route runner as Diggs is,

2147
01:40:19,200 --> 01:40:22,800
Speaker 6: But he's to me, he's like a Zay Flowers, Deebo

2148
01:40:22,920 --> 01:40:26,040
Speaker 6: Samuel type of receiver. But I love Luther Burden and

2149
01:40:26,080 --> 01:40:30,720
Speaker 6: another one young player early breakout, true sophomore breakout in

2150
01:40:30,760 --> 01:40:33,800
Speaker 6: twenty twenty three. And I think that last year was

2151
01:40:33,840 --> 01:40:35,560
Speaker 6: just a bad year for the program. It was a

2152
01:40:35,560 --> 01:40:37,320
Speaker 6: bad year for the quarterback, it was a bad year

2153
01:40:37,360 --> 01:40:39,680
Speaker 6: for everybody at Missouri that didn't live up to the

2154
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Speaker 6: expectations and not hurt him.

2155
01:40:42,160 --> 01:40:45,280
Speaker 4: And just you know, with that character concern out of

2156
01:40:45,320 --> 01:40:49,479
Speaker 4: the draft for Vrabel, it's worth mentioning he took a

2157
01:40:49,520 --> 01:40:53,479
Speaker 4: handful of risks in Tennessee and for the most part,

2158
01:40:53,920 --> 01:40:57,040
Speaker 4: was not rewarded for them. I believe one major hit

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01:40:57,280 --> 01:41:00,280
Speaker 4: in that regard was Jeffrey Simmons, who had some questions

2160
01:41:00,320 --> 01:41:03,519
Speaker 4: coming out, and obviously that was a home run. But

2161
01:41:03,760 --> 01:41:06,760
Speaker 4: he also took Isaiah Wilson, the guy who played like

2162
01:41:07,320 --> 01:41:10,519
Speaker 4: played like five plays for him as a first round pick.

2163
01:41:10,600 --> 01:41:12,559
Speaker 4: There was a lot of questions. I remember at the COMBA.

2164
01:41:12,640 --> 01:41:15,599
Speaker 4: I believe that was one of my last combines. There

2165
01:41:15,640 --> 01:41:18,040
Speaker 4: were a lot of questions about him there in Indy.

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01:41:18,520 --> 01:41:20,680
Speaker 4: They took him anyway in the first round and he

2167
01:41:20,800 --> 01:41:22,759
Speaker 4: was out of the league. I think he like literally

2168
01:41:22,800 --> 01:41:26,360
Speaker 4: played like less than a game in the league. Caleb

2169
01:41:26,400 --> 01:41:30,439
Speaker 4: Farley was an injury risk that obviously turned out to

2170
01:41:30,439 --> 01:41:33,920
Speaker 4: be valid. He didn't play a whole lot, so he's

2171
01:41:33,960 --> 01:41:35,240
Speaker 4: taken some risks.

2172
01:41:35,120 --> 01:41:38,320
Speaker 6: The injury one. In his pre draft press conference, that's

2173
01:41:38,320 --> 01:41:40,920
Speaker 6: what he pointed out specifically when it comes to what

2174
01:41:40,960 --> 01:41:43,000
Speaker 6: did you learn? The question was what did you learn

2175
01:41:43,000 --> 01:41:46,040
Speaker 6: from Tennessee? And they took some injury risks early on

2176
01:41:46,120 --> 01:41:49,080
Speaker 6: in the draft. And that's why I've more or less

2177
01:41:49,160 --> 01:41:52,840
Speaker 6: crossed Josh Simmons off the list. I think that he's

2178
01:41:52,880 --> 01:41:55,439
Speaker 6: going to learn from some of the change his ways,

2179
01:41:55,479 --> 01:41:57,200
Speaker 6: I guess is a better way to put it. With

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01:41:57,240 --> 01:41:59,479
Speaker 6: some of those things. When it comes to injured guys,

2181
01:41:59,520 --> 01:42:02,000
Speaker 6: there's a couple other guys that have popped up. Now

2182
01:42:02,080 --> 01:42:04,759
Speaker 6: you start to hear about the guys that have medical

2183
01:42:05,479 --> 01:42:07,880
Speaker 6: red flags on them from teams this time of year.

2184
01:42:07,880 --> 01:42:11,600
Speaker 6: You know, Jeehat Campbell's another one will Johnson has like

2185
01:42:11,600 --> 01:42:14,200
Speaker 6: a knee thing that people are worried about now.

2186
01:42:14,280 --> 01:42:16,200
Speaker 4: Is that what I want to ask you about him too.

2187
01:42:16,200 --> 01:42:18,760
Speaker 4: He's the corner from Michigan Freddie. Yeah, you know, and

2188
01:42:18,760 --> 01:42:23,040
Speaker 4: there was some questions about his sort of speed, you know,

2189
01:42:23,080 --> 01:42:26,519
Speaker 4: his long speed, and now that he's dealing with his

2190
01:42:26,640 --> 01:42:29,559
Speaker 4: knee thing, generally you're not going to gain speed. It's

2191
01:42:29,560 --> 01:42:31,600
Speaker 4: not like Tommy John's surgery where you know, all of

2192
01:42:31,600 --> 01:42:33,439
Speaker 4: a sudden you start throwing three miles an hour hotter

2193
01:42:33,560 --> 01:42:38,200
Speaker 4: after you go under the knife. Is there concerns about

2194
01:42:38,520 --> 01:42:39,240
Speaker 4: Will Johnson?

2195
01:42:39,360 --> 01:42:42,400
Speaker 6: It sounds like it's more longevity than it is, like

2196
01:42:42,439 --> 01:42:44,880
Speaker 6: he's hurt right now. I think it's more of like

2197
01:42:44,920 --> 01:42:47,240
Speaker 6: a Sony Michelle situation of like how long is the

2198
01:42:47,320 --> 01:42:48,200
Speaker 6: knee gonna hold up?

2199
01:42:48,520 --> 01:42:49,439
Speaker 4: That's a tough one.

2200
01:42:49,760 --> 01:42:52,360
Speaker 3: Joe writes in I think they should be giving serious

2201
01:42:52,760 --> 01:42:56,719
Speaker 3: consideration to taking genty. The examples like McCaffrey and Barkley

2202
01:42:56,720 --> 01:42:59,280
Speaker 3: are examples where teams never had and never got a

2203
01:42:59,360 --> 01:43:02,200
Speaker 3: quarterback for at least this year. You should be building

2204
01:43:02,200 --> 01:43:04,960
Speaker 3: your teams under the assumption you do. If may proves

2205
01:43:04,960 --> 01:43:07,560
Speaker 3: to be bad, you can reassess teams who had the

2206
01:43:07,640 --> 01:43:10,800
Speaker 3: quarterback ended up doing very well drafting a running back

2207
01:43:10,880 --> 01:43:14,400
Speaker 3: high some pro running back examples Dallas with Dak and Zeke,

2208
01:43:15,720 --> 01:43:18,519
Speaker 3: the Rams with Goff and Gurley, and even the Jags

2209
01:43:18,560 --> 01:43:21,519
Speaker 3: with Fournette and Bortles. If you can trade down and

2210
01:43:21,560 --> 01:43:24,559
Speaker 3: get Genty, I think that's your best bet. Trade back up,

2211
01:43:24,680 --> 01:43:27,280
Speaker 3: get a left tackle, then find a pass rusher and

2212
01:43:27,320 --> 01:43:28,759
Speaker 3: guard with those third rounders.

2213
01:43:29,439 --> 01:43:31,000
Speaker 4: It's basically Evans argument.

2214
01:43:30,880 --> 01:43:33,200
Speaker 6: It's a fair then like it's a it's a fair plan.

2215
01:43:33,320 --> 01:43:37,120
Speaker 6: Then you know. The Dallas one I think is Dallas

2216
01:43:37,200 --> 01:43:39,600
Speaker 6: drafted Dak the same class that they drafted Zeke, and

2217
01:43:39,640 --> 01:43:42,120
Speaker 6: they stumbled into Dak Prescott. He was a fourth round

2218
01:43:42,160 --> 01:43:44,120
Speaker 6: pick that turned out to be a franchise quarterback.

2219
01:43:44,320 --> 01:43:47,680
Speaker 4: I like his argument, I would question his examples, Like

2220
01:43:48,200 --> 01:43:50,720
Speaker 4: Leonard Fournette is an example of a good pick at

2221
01:43:50,760 --> 01:43:53,000
Speaker 4: four they did make because they had because they had

2222
01:43:53,000 --> 01:43:53,719
Speaker 4: Blake Bortles.

2223
01:43:54,840 --> 01:43:55,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, like they.

2224
01:43:55,800 --> 01:43:59,080
Speaker 4: Had a good but they had an unbelievable team right

2225
01:43:59,800 --> 01:44:02,040
Speaker 4: that was very talented and probably should have gone to

2226
01:44:02,080 --> 01:44:04,560
Speaker 4: the Super Bowl. They probably should have beaten the Patriots

2227
01:44:04,640 --> 01:44:09,320
Speaker 4: that day, and that that's what seventeen AFC Championship. Yeah,

2228
01:44:09,360 --> 01:44:12,639
Speaker 4: they had the Patriots dead and buried. But I would

2229
01:44:12,720 --> 01:44:15,839
Speaker 4: argue that just because you had success for a fleeting

2230
01:44:15,880 --> 01:44:17,559
Speaker 4: season doesn't mean that that was a good pick.

2231
01:44:18,280 --> 01:44:20,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, and Gurley and Goff's a good one. But Gurley

2232
01:44:21,040 --> 01:44:23,639
Speaker 6: is another example of a running back that flamed out

2233
01:44:23,680 --> 01:44:26,639
Speaker 6: after his rookie contract. So the longevity thing.

2234
01:44:26,560 --> 01:44:29,400
Speaker 4: Is thanks for reminding me of that one, because that,

2235
01:44:29,520 --> 01:44:31,920
Speaker 4: to me is that that should be the post of childhood.

2236
01:44:31,960 --> 01:44:34,479
Speaker 4: Why you don't do that right because it's such a

2237
01:44:34,520 --> 01:44:35,479
Speaker 4: short shelf life?

2238
01:44:35,560 --> 01:44:43,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, let's see this is uh John, where's he from? Denver?

2239
01:44:44,520 --> 01:44:45,960
Speaker 3: Calls himself the Denver omelet?

2240
01:44:47,000 --> 01:44:47,120
Speaker 4: Uh?

2241
01:44:47,400 --> 01:44:47,639
Speaker 6: Little?

2242
01:44:47,680 --> 01:44:51,959
Speaker 3: Would you rather game? Would you rather draft all offensive

2243
01:44:52,000 --> 01:44:54,360
Speaker 3: players or draft all defensive players?

2244
01:44:54,760 --> 01:44:58,080
Speaker 4: All offense this year? In this draft this year offense?

2245
01:44:58,160 --> 01:45:01,120
Speaker 3: Okay? Would you rather trade Drake made of the Giants

2246
01:45:01,120 --> 01:45:04,360
Speaker 3: for neighbors in the number three pick? Or Trey Drake

2247
01:45:04,560 --> 01:45:08,840
Speaker 3: and number four for Patrick Mahomes? Bonus? This forces Kelsey

2248
01:45:08,880 --> 01:45:10,960
Speaker 3: to cry and retire in his podcast, and he and

2249
01:45:11,000 --> 01:45:11,720
Speaker 3: Taylor break up.

2250
01:45:12,000 --> 01:45:14,679
Speaker 4: Patrick Mahomes, Yeah, I have no interest in the Giants.

2251
01:45:14,880 --> 01:45:16,919
Speaker 6: Yeah, only I wouldn't do that Giants trade.

2252
01:45:16,800 --> 01:45:19,479
Speaker 4: No, No, but I would do it The Kansas City one.

2253
01:45:19,400 --> 01:45:24,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, film rookie content trout fishing with Travis Hunter or

2254
01:45:25,040 --> 01:45:26,639
Speaker 3: Russell Gators with Will Campbell.

2255
01:45:27,320 --> 01:45:30,320
Speaker 6: I want nothing to do with gators, so yeah, they'll

2256
01:45:30,320 --> 01:45:31,080
Speaker 6: take the farm on.

2257
01:45:31,080 --> 01:45:35,760
Speaker 3: That scenario, Mike Rabel is abducted by aliens. Who would

2258
01:45:35,800 --> 01:45:39,120
Speaker 3: you rather bring back as head coach? Gerard Mayo, Bill

2259
01:45:39,160 --> 01:45:41,400
Speaker 3: Belichick or Josh McDaniels, Bill.

2260
01:45:41,240 --> 01:45:43,919
Speaker 4: Belichick, Josh, Josh McDaniels.

2261
01:45:43,920 --> 01:45:46,800
Speaker 6: Did rather bring Josh McDaniels back, Yeah than Bill?

2262
01:45:47,000 --> 01:45:49,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, we didn't. I just bringing Bill back.

2263
01:45:50,120 --> 01:45:52,439
Speaker 4: I didn't say that Josh McDaniels is a better head

2264
01:45:52,439 --> 01:45:54,920
Speaker 4: coach than Bill Belichick. If you ask me right now

2265
01:45:54,960 --> 01:45:57,320
Speaker 4: what I'd rather have, I'd rather have Josh McDaniels than

2266
01:45:57,320 --> 01:46:01,400
Speaker 4: a seventy four or three whatever you're old, Bill Belichick's

2267
01:46:01,479 --> 01:46:04,160
Speaker 4: little that's crazy. I saw enough of Bill at the end.

2268
01:46:04,200 --> 01:46:05,479
Speaker 4: I don't think he was the same coach.

2269
01:46:05,560 --> 01:46:06,799
Speaker 6: Didn't see Josh in Vegas.

2270
01:46:07,520 --> 01:46:09,760
Speaker 4: I didn't say that was great, didn't say that.

2271
01:46:11,560 --> 01:46:14,160
Speaker 3: Would you rather win Super Bowl fifty two with Brady's

2272
01:46:14,160 --> 01:46:17,559
Speaker 3: comeback drive? And Bill reveals why Malcolm Butler didn't play

2273
01:46:17,840 --> 01:46:20,920
Speaker 3: or win Super Bowl forty two in the nineteen and

2274
01:46:20,960 --> 01:46:26,160
Speaker 3: o C nineteen not even a question. Would you rather

2275
01:46:26,280 --> 01:46:29,160
Speaker 3: spend the day with Jack and and Aba touring the

2276
01:46:29,200 --> 01:46:32,280
Speaker 3: Michigan facility while he talks about every obscure Michigan player

2277
01:46:32,320 --> 01:46:35,559
Speaker 3: that the Patriots should draft, or may even get to

2278
01:46:35,680 --> 01:46:40,080
Speaker 3: smell harbors and you even get to smell Harbor's use

2279
01:46:40,120 --> 01:46:43,599
Speaker 3: skivvies at the end, Or spend the day with Christian

2280
01:46:43,640 --> 01:46:46,519
Speaker 3: in La and his fifth home on the Amalfi Coast

2281
01:46:46,800 --> 01:46:49,639
Speaker 3: seeing how people in that tax bracket live. The two

2282
01:46:49,680 --> 01:46:52,040
Speaker 3: of you can spit from his high tower down to

2283
01:46:52,120 --> 01:46:53,240
Speaker 3: the rest of us Heathens.

2284
01:46:53,640 --> 01:46:54,360
Speaker 6: Definitely Christian.

2285
01:46:54,880 --> 01:46:58,519
Speaker 4: Christian seems like he might just be throwing it around

2286
01:46:58,560 --> 01:46:59,639
Speaker 4: a little bit. Hey here we go.

2287
01:47:01,439 --> 01:47:05,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, he doesn't like Christian in La, so.

2288
01:47:06,439 --> 01:47:08,519
Speaker 4: Poor Christian in La. I like how he gets on

2289
01:47:08,600 --> 01:47:11,720
Speaker 4: every call now when he has his preemptive I know,

2290
01:47:11,760 --> 01:47:14,519
Speaker 4: people retort to all his critics.

2291
01:47:14,560 --> 01:47:16,479
Speaker 6: I do think it's funny that he also brings up

2292
01:47:16,479 --> 01:47:18,679
Speaker 6: the weather in La and he's like, it's finally getting warm.

2293
01:47:18,680 --> 01:47:20,479
Speaker 6: It's like it's always warm, Like what do you mean

2294
01:47:20,479 --> 01:47:23,960
Speaker 6: it's finally getting warm? Like you go out to La.

2295
01:47:24,120 --> 01:47:25,800
Speaker 6: The coldest that gets is like forty degrees.

2296
01:47:26,040 --> 01:47:28,439
Speaker 4: We had a beautiful day here on Saturday. It's like,

2297
01:47:28,560 --> 01:47:30,880
Speaker 4: you know, I think could hit the eighties. Yeah, at

2298
01:47:30,880 --> 01:47:33,040
Speaker 4: one point, and I had a bunch of stuff to do.

2299
01:47:33,120 --> 01:47:35,519
Speaker 4: I got a lot of stuff done. I very much enjoyed,

2300
01:47:35,960 --> 01:47:38,280
Speaker 4: actually for a change, doing yard work because it was

2301
01:47:38,280 --> 01:47:41,040
Speaker 4: so nice out. But I didn't get to golf. So

2302
01:47:41,120 --> 01:47:44,320
Speaker 4: I went golfing yesterday afternoon and we were back in

2303
01:47:44,320 --> 01:47:46,640
Speaker 4: the fifties with like thirty mile an hour, wins in

2304
01:47:46,680 --> 01:47:50,400
Speaker 4: my face on every shot. That's in a related story.

2305
01:47:50,479 --> 01:47:56,320
Speaker 4: I sucked. Fred's not even paying attention. No, no, what's

2306
01:47:56,320 --> 01:48:01,000
Speaker 4: the matter, Like how nice it was on Saturday, But

2307
01:48:01,080 --> 01:48:03,280
Speaker 4: I was busy with other stuff. I didn't get to

2308
01:48:03,320 --> 01:48:05,960
Speaker 4: golf and enjoy that weather. I played yesterday and it

2309
01:48:06,040 --> 01:48:09,080
Speaker 4: was back to like fifty degrees wind in your face

2310
01:48:09,120 --> 01:48:12,520
Speaker 4: every shot in it, and I suck. Where'd you play

2311
01:48:12,760 --> 01:48:14,439
Speaker 4: the meadows and peevity the meadows?

2312
01:48:14,720 --> 01:48:15,120
Speaker 10: Yeah?

2313
01:48:15,160 --> 01:48:16,400
Speaker 6: Fancy, it's not.

2314
01:48:17,160 --> 01:48:19,080
Speaker 4: It's a public course. It's not fancy.

2315
01:48:19,760 --> 01:48:23,320
Speaker 6: Sounds fancy, let's see.

2316
01:48:23,240 --> 01:48:26,360
Speaker 4: Ryan, really not. It doesn't even have a clubhouse.

2317
01:48:26,080 --> 01:48:30,840
Speaker 3: Ryan, and Watertown appreciates everything we do with the draft.

2318
01:48:30,840 --> 01:48:33,040
Speaker 3: This Thursday, I'm sure everyone is going to ask questions

2319
01:48:33,080 --> 01:48:35,960
Speaker 3: about wide receiver. I'd like to hear your perspective on

2320
01:48:36,000 --> 01:48:39,120
Speaker 3: this scenario. I'm gonna list some wide receivers that could

2321
01:48:39,120 --> 01:48:41,519
Speaker 3: potentially be on our roster, and I want to hear

2322
01:48:41,560 --> 01:48:44,920
Speaker 3: from each of you who makes your ideal. Twenty twenty five,

2323
01:48:45,000 --> 01:48:49,519
Speaker 3: twenty twenty six six man wide receiver room considering Digs

2324
01:48:49,520 --> 01:48:53,920
Speaker 3: and mccollins are locks. Pick four more from the list below.

2325
01:48:55,960 --> 01:49:00,080
Speaker 3: So the list is Douglas Bourne, Poke, Booty Baker and

2326
01:48:59,840 --> 01:49:04,040
Speaker 3: the free agents. It's too long, now, forget it. It's

2327
01:49:04,080 --> 01:49:05,519
Speaker 3: too many. I thought this was going to be a

2328
01:49:05,560 --> 01:49:09,040
Speaker 3: draft for Yeah, it's too many people. I'm sorry, Ryan,

2329
01:49:09,120 --> 01:49:12,120
Speaker 3: but you can't send us an email email that makes

2330
01:49:12,160 --> 01:49:12,880
Speaker 3: us think too much.

2331
01:49:13,040 --> 01:49:15,720
Speaker 6: Jalen Noel or Kyle Williams. Yeah, draft one of those

2332
01:49:15,720 --> 01:49:16,240
Speaker 6: two guys.

2333
01:49:16,880 --> 01:49:19,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I like both of those guys. I

2334
01:49:19,960 --> 01:49:22,240
Speaker 4: tend to gravitate to the outside guys a little bit

2335
01:49:22,280 --> 01:49:24,760
Speaker 4: more than Evan does, but I like both. You know,

2336
01:49:24,800 --> 01:49:26,240
Speaker 4: Williams has really come on a lot.

2337
01:49:26,840 --> 01:49:28,920
Speaker 6: That's what I like a little bit more about. I

2338
01:49:28,920 --> 01:49:31,479
Speaker 6: love Jaylen Nole, you know that. But Kyle Williams can

2339
01:49:31,560 --> 01:49:33,920
Speaker 6: play a little bit on the outside. He's got some

2340
01:49:34,000 --> 01:49:36,759
Speaker 6: ability to play stretch the field, you know, beat press

2341
01:49:36,800 --> 01:49:39,400
Speaker 6: coverage like that kind of thing. So I've gravitated a

2342
01:49:39,439 --> 01:49:41,760
Speaker 6: little bit more towards him too, and I put him

2343
01:49:41,760 --> 01:49:43,519
Speaker 6: in the mock draft, and everybody told me I took

2344
01:49:43,600 --> 01:49:45,599
Speaker 6: him too high. I did not take him too high.

2345
01:49:45,840 --> 01:49:47,840
Speaker 6: I'm telling you that right now. That guy's not making

2346
01:49:47,840 --> 01:49:50,800
Speaker 6: it out of the second round. So maybe thirty eight,

2347
01:49:50,800 --> 01:49:53,160
Speaker 6: maybe he's gonna go fifty instead of thirty eight, but

2348
01:49:53,200 --> 01:49:54,719
Speaker 6: he's he's not making it out.

2349
01:49:54,640 --> 01:49:56,479
Speaker 4: Of another one of those. If you want them, you

2350
01:49:56,520 --> 01:49:57,200
Speaker 4: got to take them.

2351
01:49:57,280 --> 01:50:01,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, Brandon California. At this point in the draft process,

2352
01:50:01,560 --> 01:50:04,240
Speaker 3: I feel like we have exhausted just about every possible

2353
01:50:04,280 --> 01:50:06,920
Speaker 3: outcome for the Patriots in the first round. Barring a

2354
01:50:06,960 --> 01:50:09,639
Speaker 3: trade back into the end of the first round, Thursday

2355
01:50:09,720 --> 01:50:13,080
Speaker 3: night might end up being a quick and possibly boring

2356
01:50:13,200 --> 01:50:16,640
Speaker 3: night for Patriots fans. That's why I would like to

2357
01:50:16,680 --> 01:50:18,840
Speaker 3: be more like Fred and have some teams to root

2358
01:50:18,880 --> 01:50:22,320
Speaker 3: against on Night One. My question is if any of

2359
01:50:22,360 --> 01:50:24,679
Speaker 3: you have some players you would hate to see land

2360
01:50:24,920 --> 01:50:27,640
Speaker 3: on other teams. Personally, I would hate to see a

2361
01:50:27,680 --> 01:50:30,400
Speaker 3: scenario where we pass on Campbell and watch him fall

2362
01:50:30,439 --> 01:50:32,840
Speaker 3: to the Jets, especially if he ends up being great

2363
01:50:32,880 --> 01:50:35,479
Speaker 3: like I think he will be. Another example of this

2364
01:50:35,560 --> 01:50:38,479
Speaker 3: might be someone like Luther Burden being swooped up at

2365
01:50:38,479 --> 01:50:40,080
Speaker 3: the end of the first round by a team like

2366
01:50:40,080 --> 01:50:41,480
Speaker 3: the Bills of the Chiefs.

2367
01:50:42,600 --> 01:50:46,120
Speaker 4: The latter one I would put right in that category

2368
01:50:46,120 --> 01:50:47,920
Speaker 4: of what he's talking about. I don't want to see

2369
01:50:48,520 --> 01:50:52,080
Speaker 4: those passing teams that I think are like a weapon

2370
01:50:52,120 --> 01:50:56,120
Speaker 4: away from being really tough to stop. Get a guy

2371
01:50:56,200 --> 01:50:56,439
Speaker 4: like that.

2372
01:50:57,240 --> 01:51:01,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, I know. I just trying to keep up a

2373
01:51:01,040 --> 01:51:03,839
Speaker 6: little bit with the rest of the AFC East and Buffalo.

2374
01:51:03,880 --> 01:51:05,439
Speaker 6: A lot of people in Buffalo want them to go

2375
01:51:05,520 --> 01:51:07,920
Speaker 6: defense because of how the defense took a little bit

2376
01:51:07,960 --> 01:51:11,040
Speaker 6: of a step back last year, and specifically defensive line.

2377
01:51:11,040 --> 01:51:12,679
Speaker 6: And you see a lot of mocks with like Kenneth

2378
01:51:12,720 --> 01:51:16,000
Speaker 6: Grant from Michigan or Walter Nolan or whatever, and I'm like,

2379
01:51:16,040 --> 01:51:17,760
Speaker 6: take one of those guys, go right Do you want

2380
01:51:17,800 --> 01:51:20,160
Speaker 6: to take an interior run stuffer in the first round

2381
01:51:20,160 --> 01:51:22,160
Speaker 6: if you're if you're a Buffalo, go right ahead.

2382
01:51:22,840 --> 01:51:25,080
Speaker 4: I would say. On the flip side, though, like when

2383
01:51:25,120 --> 01:51:28,439
Speaker 4: you're picking in the late twenties thirties, that's where you like,

2384
01:51:29,080 --> 01:51:30,840
Speaker 4: that's where you're pick. Like, That's why I'm not overly

2385
01:51:30,880 --> 01:51:34,200
Speaker 4: interested in Mason Graham. Yeah, but I would take you know,

2386
01:51:34,320 --> 01:51:36,960
Speaker 4: one of those guys at twenty seven. Whatever Buffalo is picking,

2387
01:51:36,960 --> 01:51:38,639
Speaker 4: they gotta be picking like twenty eight, twenty nine.

2388
01:51:38,720 --> 01:51:41,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, they want to they want to get stouter through

2389
01:51:41,120 --> 01:51:42,280
Speaker 6: the middle, you know, they want to be a.

2390
01:51:42,320 --> 01:51:47,280
Speaker 3: Base a little bit, don't you think, just in perception, like.

2391
01:51:47,640 --> 01:51:50,559
Speaker 6: He didn't do anything in the pre draft process, like nothing,

2392
01:51:50,600 --> 01:51:52,519
Speaker 6: he didn't work out, nothing, And I think when that

2393
01:51:52,640 --> 01:51:55,479
Speaker 6: type of stuff happens, you kind of forget about him

2394
01:51:55,479 --> 01:51:57,519
Speaker 6: a little bit. Yeah, right, like you know, people start

2395
01:51:57,560 --> 01:52:01,040
Speaker 6: to kind of forget about him. Right, I've never been

2396
01:52:01,120 --> 01:52:04,280
Speaker 6: crazy about him, you know, compared to some other people.

2397
01:52:04,439 --> 01:52:08,600
Speaker 6: Just two hundred ninety six pound interior defensive lineman that

2398
01:52:09,040 --> 01:52:11,519
Speaker 6: isn't a great athlete. Like clearly if he was a

2399
01:52:11,560 --> 01:52:13,720
Speaker 6: good athlete, he would have tested. So he's not a

2400
01:52:13,720 --> 01:52:16,160
Speaker 6: great athlete. I think we can say that. Yeah, he's

2401
01:52:16,240 --> 01:52:19,080
Speaker 6: kind of like point, you know, a technique wizard and

2402
01:52:19,160 --> 01:52:21,479
Speaker 6: an effort guy. Yeah yeah, right.

2403
01:52:22,080 --> 01:52:22,200
Speaker 16: Uh.

2404
01:52:22,400 --> 01:52:25,280
Speaker 3: Here's a more what's more likely game? And this is

2405
01:52:25,320 --> 01:52:30,160
Speaker 3: from Tyler in Ludlow. What's more likely there are less

2406
01:52:30,680 --> 01:52:33,519
Speaker 3: There are less than three first round trades, or half

2407
01:52:33,520 --> 01:52:36,479
Speaker 3: of the top ten picks are traded. I think that's

2408
01:52:36,600 --> 01:52:37,200
Speaker 3: more likely.

2409
01:52:37,360 --> 01:52:38,599
Speaker 6: Yeah, less than three.

2410
01:52:38,640 --> 01:52:41,880
Speaker 3: Less than three. Yeah, what's more likely Patriots draft Will

2411
01:52:41,880 --> 01:52:43,720
Speaker 3: Campbell at four or the field.

2412
01:52:45,560 --> 01:52:46,400
Speaker 6: Technically Campbell.

2413
01:52:46,400 --> 01:52:48,760
Speaker 4: I'm gonna say Will Campbell's more likely. I just feel

2414
01:52:48,840 --> 01:52:53,519
Speaker 4: like everybody is in agreement. Yeah, it's funny. I had

2415
01:52:53,520 --> 01:52:56,840
Speaker 4: a conversation about this too, and I was told to like,

2416
01:52:56,880 --> 01:52:58,600
Speaker 4: I don't know why you're putting so much stock in

2417
01:52:58,600 --> 01:53:01,000
Speaker 4: the fact that everybody thinks they're picking Will Campbell, right,

2418
01:53:01,560 --> 01:53:04,559
Speaker 4: because you know, Vrabel is not necessarily a guy that

2419
01:53:04,600 --> 01:53:07,360
Speaker 4: would track to telling everybody what they're going to do,

2420
01:53:07,479 --> 01:53:10,479
Speaker 4: so that people are just making their opinions. But I

2421
01:53:10,520 --> 01:53:13,720
Speaker 4: just feel like there's an overwhelming amount of evidence right

2422
01:53:13,720 --> 01:53:17,160
Speaker 4: now that people seem to be all in on camp Yeah.

2423
01:53:17,160 --> 01:53:19,839
Speaker 6: I think with Campbell, to go to your a golf analogy,

2424
01:53:19,880 --> 01:53:21,960
Speaker 6: you're on the fairway, Like, did you hit a three

2425
01:53:22,040 --> 01:53:25,080
Speaker 6: hundred and fifty yard drive? Probably not, but you're on

2426
01:53:25,120 --> 01:53:27,240
Speaker 6: the fairway. I think with some of these other guys,

2427
01:53:27,280 --> 01:53:29,880
Speaker 6: you worry about being in in the woods.

2428
01:53:29,960 --> 01:53:32,000
Speaker 4: See I was on the fairway all day yesterday, but

2429
01:53:32,040 --> 01:53:34,240
Speaker 4: it was at that point that I was not getting

2430
01:53:34,240 --> 01:53:35,679
Speaker 4: from the fairway to the green.

2431
01:53:36,160 --> 01:53:38,040
Speaker 3: That's where we could have teamed up. I could have

2432
01:53:38,040 --> 01:53:38,880
Speaker 3: shot that second.

2433
01:53:38,920 --> 01:53:42,200
Speaker 4: I hit like three irons over the green yesterday, and

2434
01:53:42,200 --> 01:53:44,599
Speaker 4: it wasn't because I like I hit him long, because

2435
01:53:44,880 --> 01:53:47,000
Speaker 4: I didn't hit them right. So you know when you

2436
01:53:47,080 --> 01:53:48,760
Speaker 4: hit like an iron off the heel and it goes

2437
01:53:48,840 --> 01:53:51,320
Speaker 4: further than it normally would like, That's why I was

2438
01:53:51,400 --> 01:53:54,200
Speaker 4: hitting him over the green, not because I just had

2439
01:53:54,200 --> 01:53:57,320
Speaker 4: the wrong club. They're all I just I bulked up.

2440
01:53:58,120 --> 01:53:59,879
Speaker 4: I'm not a big mishitting everything.

2441
01:54:00,080 --> 01:54:02,640
Speaker 6: I don't golf, but I watched the end of the Masters,

2442
01:54:02,760 --> 01:54:04,360
Speaker 6: and that shot that Rory.

2443
01:54:04,160 --> 01:54:08,080
Speaker 4: Hit the before choked and missed the putt.

2444
01:54:08,320 --> 01:54:11,280
Speaker 6: Before the one, the one that curved around one of

2445
01:54:11,320 --> 01:54:13,880
Speaker 6: the greatest shots I've ever seen. I mean that that

2446
01:54:14,000 --> 01:54:14,679
Speaker 6: was unreal.

2447
01:54:15,479 --> 01:54:18,200
Speaker 3: What's more likely after genty is the top four pick,

2448
01:54:18,320 --> 01:54:19,800
Speaker 3: or he is in the top twenty pick.

2449
01:54:21,000 --> 01:54:23,280
Speaker 6: He is a top four pick, definitely moreless.

2450
01:54:23,280 --> 01:54:27,280
Speaker 4: He's not I'm going to go I'm gonna go, he's not.

2451
01:54:27,439 --> 01:54:29,559
Speaker 4: I mean, I think I don't think he's going in

2452
01:54:29,560 --> 01:54:29,920
Speaker 4: the top.

2453
01:54:29,960 --> 01:54:31,920
Speaker 3: I don't think there's any shot he's a top four pick.

2454
01:54:32,320 --> 01:54:35,000
Speaker 6: A shot, yeah, yeah, but Patriots could take him. They

2455
01:54:35,040 --> 01:54:35,880
Speaker 6: could somebody could.

2456
01:54:35,760 --> 01:54:37,880
Speaker 4: Try to say this top four because I think there's

2457
01:54:37,880 --> 01:54:39,680
Speaker 4: a better chance the Patriots take him at four, then

2458
01:54:39,680 --> 01:54:40,480
Speaker 4: he goes out of the top.

2459
01:54:40,480 --> 01:54:44,360
Speaker 3: Tokay, Yeah, what's more likely the Cowboys war room celebrates

2460
01:54:44,400 --> 01:54:47,600
Speaker 3: after making their pick, just like they defeated an alien invasion.

2461
01:54:47,960 --> 01:54:50,240
Speaker 3: Or Paul drinks a diet pepsi and Draft Night, well

2462
01:54:50,280 --> 01:54:51,360
Speaker 3: we know that, well.

2463
01:54:51,200 --> 01:54:54,480
Speaker 4: Both of what's the over under on Diapepsi's on Draft Knight?

2464
01:54:54,560 --> 01:54:55,480
Speaker 4: Usually that's a.

2465
01:54:55,400 --> 01:54:58,440
Speaker 3: Heavy probably thirty two one for each pick.

2466
01:54:58,520 --> 01:55:00,960
Speaker 4: That's a lot. My eyes would be bugging out of

2467
01:55:01,040 --> 01:55:01,360
Speaker 4: my head.

2468
01:55:03,320 --> 01:55:08,920
Speaker 3: I noticed in the dispenser out there, the snack you know,

2469
01:55:09,000 --> 01:55:13,040
Speaker 3: the drink dispenser they took out all the celsius. Is

2470
01:55:13,040 --> 01:55:14,880
Speaker 3: that because they just haven't filled it? Or is there

2471
01:55:14,880 --> 01:55:15,960
Speaker 3: a thing like we're not.

2472
01:55:18,080 --> 01:55:21,840
Speaker 4: Game we need a home we need a home revs game.

2473
01:55:21,840 --> 01:55:24,480
Speaker 6: A lot of the time, Uh, there's revs games like

2474
01:55:24,520 --> 01:55:27,680
Speaker 6: Saturday night, like of Draft weekend. I think Messi was here.

2475
01:55:28,000 --> 01:55:29,640
Speaker 6: Was that last year or two years ago that he

2476
01:55:29,680 --> 01:55:32,200
Speaker 6: was here on like the on Day three, the night

2477
01:55:32,240 --> 01:55:33,600
Speaker 6: of Day three, So maybe Saturday.

2478
01:55:33,960 --> 01:55:36,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's not going to help me though.

2479
01:55:37,960 --> 01:55:41,440
Speaker 3: Ford and Savannah, why does the inevitability of selecting Campbell

2480
01:55:41,480 --> 01:55:44,280
Speaker 3: with the fourth oral pick. Feel like getting socks for Christmas,

2481
01:55:44,320 --> 01:55:46,680
Speaker 3: because it is sure I desperately need socks, but I

2482
01:55:46,720 --> 01:55:52,760
Speaker 3: won't feel anything but underwhelmed when receiving them. I think

2483
01:55:52,760 --> 01:55:56,040
Speaker 3: you're under selling Will Campbell and the need left tackle.

2484
01:55:56,080 --> 01:55:58,680
Speaker 3: I think you're gonna be mid year, you're gonna be

2485
01:55:58,760 --> 01:56:00,200
Speaker 3: very happy he's on this team.

2486
01:56:00,360 --> 01:56:03,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, but two things can be true, like who do

2487
01:56:03,080 --> 01:56:06,200
Speaker 4: you think is the best left tackle, like of all time,

2488
01:56:06,480 --> 01:56:07,360
Speaker 4: of all time?

2489
01:56:08,000 --> 01:56:11,200
Speaker 3: Or you love I like Tyron Smith.

2490
01:56:11,240 --> 01:56:15,800
Speaker 4: Tyron Smith is like getting socks. Yes, it is, like

2491
01:56:15,840 --> 01:56:17,240
Speaker 4: I understand what Evans point is.

2492
01:56:17,360 --> 01:56:21,400
Speaker 6: It's like it's a blocker and you hope it's not fun.

2493
01:56:21,560 --> 01:56:23,400
Speaker 4: You hope that he pans out. You hope that he's

2494
01:56:23,440 --> 01:56:25,000
Speaker 4: your guy in the future. And then you're like, oh,

2495
01:56:25,520 --> 01:56:27,720
Speaker 4: that was a smart pick. See we did the right thing.

2496
01:56:27,760 --> 01:56:28,880
Speaker 4: We got the right guy, and you.

2497
01:56:28,800 --> 01:56:30,920
Speaker 3: Get a guy like that. But he's a Hall of

2498
01:56:30,960 --> 01:56:31,600
Speaker 3: Famer man.

2499
01:56:31,800 --> 01:56:32,440
Speaker 4: I understand.

2500
01:56:32,760 --> 01:56:36,920
Speaker 6: There's a few tackles that like, I think Penny Sewell

2501
01:56:37,120 --> 01:56:40,560
Speaker 6: changes the Lions offense, like his because he's so athletic

2502
01:56:40,600 --> 01:56:42,120
Speaker 6: and he can get out in space and he can

2503
01:56:42,160 --> 01:56:44,840
Speaker 6: block and on the move so well that like you can.

2504
01:56:45,640 --> 01:56:49,040
Speaker 6: You can schematically build the offense around a guy like that,

2505
01:56:49,640 --> 01:56:52,320
Speaker 6: but that's like a very Everybody else is just kind

2506
01:56:52,320 --> 01:56:54,960
Speaker 6: of Is he serviceable at the position? Or is he not?

2507
01:56:55,360 --> 01:56:58,120
Speaker 3: Nate Rison, He says. I've always wondered if I would

2508
01:56:58,120 --> 01:57:00,840
Speaker 3: ever meet any of the Unfiltered, and last week it

2509
01:57:00,920 --> 01:57:03,880
Speaker 3: finally happened. I ran into Deuce while he was out

2510
01:57:03,880 --> 01:57:06,480
Speaker 3: for a walk with Zuke. I heard this story who

2511
01:57:06,520 --> 01:57:09,680
Speaker 3: had bitten a squirrel? Zuke bit a squirrel. Turns out

2512
01:57:09,760 --> 01:57:11,560
Speaker 3: Deus lives right up the street from me, in a

2513
01:57:11,600 --> 01:57:14,200
Speaker 3: house my kids used to go to daycare in. I'm

2514
01:57:14,200 --> 01:57:16,880
Speaker 3: writing to say that Deuce is exactly the same kind,

2515
01:57:16,960 --> 01:57:19,840
Speaker 3: thoughtful and engaging person he is on air, and thank

2516
01:57:19,920 --> 01:57:21,720
Speaker 3: him for taking a few minutes to talk to me

2517
01:57:22,080 --> 01:57:24,880
Speaker 3: and my son. The whole experience was great and moved

2518
01:57:24,920 --> 01:57:29,200
Speaker 3: him up my Unfiltered panelist rankings, which he sorely needed

2519
01:57:29,240 --> 01:57:36,240
Speaker 3: after their precipitous slide following the jant Mock Draft. Football Wise,

2520
01:57:36,280 --> 01:57:39,640
Speaker 3: please get Evan to stop recommending the Patriots draft underside

2521
01:57:39,640 --> 01:57:43,320
Speaker 3: wide receivers or slot receivers in general. Eldred and I

2522
01:57:43,440 --> 01:57:46,200
Speaker 3: would like to continue to listen to the show The

2523
01:57:46,320 --> 01:57:49,440
Speaker 3: Josh McDaniel's Patriots have never had an issue with production

2524
01:57:49,520 --> 01:57:52,600
Speaker 3: from that position and they won't this year. Either Pop

2525
01:57:52,640 --> 01:57:55,000
Speaker 3: can play it, and if he doesn't have the durability,

2526
01:57:55,040 --> 01:57:56,680
Speaker 3: it will be next man up and they can figure

2527
01:57:56,680 --> 01:57:58,840
Speaker 3: out what they have in that room. Not to mention,

2528
01:57:58,880 --> 01:58:02,320
Speaker 3: they're paying Stefan Dig's twenty million plus per year and

2529
01:58:02,360 --> 01:58:04,720
Speaker 3: he played forty six percent of his snaps from the slot.

2530
01:58:04,920 --> 01:58:08,280
Speaker 3: According to Evan, the Patriots need outside help and it's

2531
01:58:08,360 --> 01:58:11,560
Speaker 3: unfortunate this isn't the draft to get it. But ultimately,

2532
01:58:11,640 --> 01:58:13,480
Speaker 3: we can't play three slots at once.

2533
01:58:14,440 --> 01:58:16,360
Speaker 6: I'm not too worried about where they're all gonna play.

2534
01:58:16,400 --> 01:58:18,080
Speaker 6: I just want guys that can get open.

2535
01:58:17,880 --> 01:58:20,560
Speaker 4: And either and Digs is not making anyway there that

2536
01:58:20,600 --> 01:58:21,280
Speaker 4: amount of money.

2537
01:58:21,320 --> 01:58:24,320
Speaker 3: So his top one hundred draft of the Patriots is

2538
01:58:24,320 --> 01:58:28,440
Speaker 3: Will Campbell at four, Landon Jackson at thirty eight defensive end,

2539
01:58:28,520 --> 01:58:32,640
Speaker 3: Dylan Samson running back at sixty nine, Andrew mccouba at

2540
01:58:32,640 --> 01:58:35,879
Speaker 3: seventy seven free safety, and at one o six everyone's

2541
01:58:35,880 --> 01:58:37,120
Speaker 3: favorite Dante Thornton.

2542
01:58:38,000 --> 01:58:40,240
Speaker 6: Yeah that's not bad. Mean, it's a little high for Thornton,

2543
01:58:40,320 --> 01:58:42,400
Speaker 6: but the other right, I like all the other players

2544
01:58:42,840 --> 01:58:44,560
Speaker 6: you know. I just I just look at a little

2545
01:58:44,600 --> 01:58:47,040
Speaker 6: bit differently, like in terms of the outside inside thing.

2546
01:58:47,160 --> 01:58:49,840
Speaker 6: I just like guys that can create separation and guys

2547
01:58:49,840 --> 01:58:50,760
Speaker 6: that make big plays.

2548
01:58:50,800 --> 01:58:52,760
Speaker 3: All right, we'll do one more call then we're gonna

2549
01:58:52,840 --> 01:58:55,680
Speaker 3: hit the road. It's Danny in Michigan. What's up, Danny?

2550
01:58:57,000 --> 01:58:57,240
Speaker 4: Oh?

2551
01:58:57,560 --> 01:58:58,360
Speaker 18: Hey, how's it going?

2552
01:58:58,400 --> 01:58:59,040
Speaker 15: Guys?

2553
01:58:59,520 --> 01:58:59,760
Speaker 6: Good?

2554
01:59:00,040 --> 01:59:01,520
Speaker 4: Hey, Danny.

2555
01:59:01,720 --> 01:59:04,400
Speaker 18: I just had a little two questions for you about

2556
01:59:04,400 --> 01:59:09,120
Speaker 18: the wide receiver position. One, why can't Kayshawn Boody? I

2557
01:59:09,160 --> 01:59:12,760
Speaker 18: know they're different types of wide receiver, but why can't

2558
01:59:12,840 --> 01:59:17,400
Speaker 18: Kayshawan Boody have a similar career trajectory as a Nicocollins

2559
01:59:17,840 --> 01:59:20,920
Speaker 18: who came into the league a late round draft pick

2560
01:59:21,080 --> 01:59:24,200
Speaker 18: and a project guy, and then year three he really

2561
01:59:24,280 --> 01:59:25,360
Speaker 18: blew up onto the scene.

2562
01:59:27,200 --> 01:59:29,960
Speaker 4: I mean, do you see the same physical characteristics with

2563
01:59:30,000 --> 01:59:30,760
Speaker 4: those two players?

2564
01:59:31,920 --> 01:59:33,680
Speaker 18: No, And I said that they're not the same type

2565
01:59:33,680 --> 01:59:38,120
Speaker 18: of player. But I saw Nico Collins play at Michigan

2566
01:59:38,920 --> 01:59:43,160
Speaker 18: who was not a very explosive receiver all the time.

2567
01:59:43,880 --> 01:59:47,040
Speaker 4: But he's a pretty imposing receiver. Would you say, like

2568
01:59:47,280 --> 01:59:48,480
Speaker 4: just physically he would.

2569
01:59:48,320 --> 01:59:51,000
Speaker 18: Say just physically six four, Yeah, he's a pretty big guy.

2570
01:59:51,080 --> 01:59:53,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that would be my only, my only thing.

2571
01:59:53,800 --> 01:59:56,400
Speaker 4: But I mean your larger point is is not off.

2572
01:59:56,440 --> 01:59:58,240
Speaker 4: I think that's why Evan and I thought it would

2573
01:59:58,240 --> 02:00:00,840
Speaker 4: be a little bit early to put the plug on that,

2574
02:00:00,920 --> 02:00:04,120
Speaker 4: because I do think there's a chance that he's still ascending.

2575
02:00:04,400 --> 02:00:06,480
Speaker 4: We don't know exactly. I think he got better from

2576
02:00:06,560 --> 02:00:08,920
Speaker 4: year one to year two, will he get better again

2577
02:00:09,000 --> 02:00:10,240
Speaker 4: from year two to year three?

2578
02:00:10,720 --> 02:00:12,560
Speaker 6: Or even if he's just the guy that he is now,

2579
02:00:12,880 --> 02:00:16,360
Speaker 6: Like if you're not feeding that position one hundred and

2580
02:00:16,480 --> 02:00:18,840
Speaker 6: fifty targets in the season and that's more of like

2581
02:00:19,120 --> 02:00:23,120
Speaker 6: a secondary position in your offense, then Kishon Boody can

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Speaker 6: be a third receiver on in your offense. Is he

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Speaker 6: the high volume guy? No, But if Diggs is going

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Speaker 6: to be that or digs in a rookie are going

2585
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Speaker 6: to be that, then the booty's just the other guy

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Speaker 6: that's kind of out there.

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Speaker 4: And when did Collins get drafted, by the way, do you.

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Speaker 6: Remember, I want to say, third round?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a lot earlier than the sixth.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, like you said, like Nico Collins is six',

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Speaker 6: four the four to, four like he's kind of LIKE

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Speaker 6: Dk metcalf his.

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Speaker 4: Size, Yeah i'll keep my thoughts as to different versions

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Speaker 4: Of Nico collins off the. YEAR i don't have to,

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Speaker 4: know BUT i Guess i'm wondering maybe if he learned

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Speaker 4: something at THE nfl level.

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Speaker 3: Too all, right that's gonna be it for this. Show

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Speaker 3: catch twenty two is on at noon. Tomorrow More draft talk.

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Speaker 3: Tomorrow On, thursday we will not be on at our

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Speaker 3: normal time at noon because it's The. Draft we'll be

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Speaker 3: live at. Seven we'll have video for the first hour

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Speaker 3: and then lead rules say we need to shut off the.

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Speaker 3: Video video will still be on patrios dot com, though and,

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Speaker 3: YouTube it'll just be shut off for social. Media so

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Speaker 3: if that's how you consume, us you'll have to go

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Speaker 3: To patriots dot com old fashioned. YouTube but we will

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Speaker 3: be On thursday night as we always, are for the

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Speaker 3: duration of the first. Round we'll have. Everything we'll Have

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Speaker 3: Mike rabel after the. Pick he's supposed to come on,

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Speaker 3: live so we'll carry that. Live we'll cut away to

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Speaker 3: the draft party to see what's going on over. There

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Speaker 3: so it's a big. Night draft show is always one

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Speaker 3: of our favorite shows that we, do our favorite show

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Speaker 3: from our listeners and viewers as, well so Can't, wait

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Speaker 3: don't know What i'm gonna wear. Yet hit that, Out,

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Speaker 3: paul what are you? Wearing?

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Speaker 6: Same probably a quarter.

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Speaker 3: Zip put a quarter zip from you, know some allegiance

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Speaker 3: that you.

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Speaker 4: Have MAYBE i don't, Know i'll give it some. Thought,

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Speaker 4: okay Maybe i'll wear The. Citadel you're gonna go with

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Speaker 4: the citadel at The?

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Speaker 6: Citadel you can lay it out the night before ON

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Speaker 6: i do.

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Speaker 4: Not That's.

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Speaker 3: Fred, yeah all, right we will see you On thursday

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Speaker 3: Night catch twenty two. Tomorrow thanks for listening, today see you. Then,

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Speaker 3: hey this Is. Fred thanks for tuning into the. Show

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