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Speaker 1: The Internet. Ship up. This is podcast Robert behind you

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Speaker 1: know Bastards and such. Hello. Everyone, This is Behind the

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Speaker 1: Bastards and I'm here to podcast on the Internet. That's

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Speaker 1: most of what I wanted to get across. Anything else, Sophie.

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Speaker 1: Uh no, okay, good Now today we're we're talking with

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Speaker 1: my friend Mr Miles Gray. Miles, how are you? How

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Speaker 1: are you doing in quarantine? Oh? My god, help me, Robert,

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Speaker 1: You're not You're not doing great. I'm I'm fine relatively speaking.

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm getting used to a new way of living,

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Speaker 1: to put it mildly, but you know, it's taking a lot.

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Speaker 1: I'm actually learning a lot about myself through this quarantine,

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Speaker 1: and I'm trying to use that part to be empowering

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Speaker 1: rather than fucking frightening. Well, we're all learning a lot

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Speaker 1: during this new period of quarantine, and some of the

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Speaker 1: people who are learning the most are America's religious leaders,

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Speaker 1: particularly the leaders of large churches that make their money

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Speaker 1: door every Sunday and and drop out donations. Um. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And today, Miles, we're going to talk about how organized

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Speaker 1: religion historically response to plagues. Uh and that's gonna be

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Speaker 1: a fun topic for you to discuss. Are you a

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Speaker 1: big fan of plagues or organized religion? I'm plagues, not

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Speaker 1: as much, not as much as I used to be.

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Speaker 1: Not as much plagues around When that game Plague Inc.

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Speaker 1: Came out and I was just sucking laughing my ass off,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, here, come to London Olympics, get ready for

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Speaker 1: global spread um. Anyway, but organized religion. I went to

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Speaker 1: out of all sides of the crucifix, of the crucifix? Interesting,

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Speaker 1: Oh right, because religion? Yeah that makes sense. Okay, well Miles,

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Speaker 1: let's let's let's let's let's let's shove our intellectual probost

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Speaker 1: guy into this subject and uh excrete saliva in order

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Speaker 1: up and gain nourishment. Wow, who what flies? What insect

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Speaker 1: was a fad? Okay? Yeah, they like squirt goop out

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Speaker 1: and it dissolves stuff and then they suck it back up.

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that's how flies work. Can you now?

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Speaker 1: This is the natural extension of knowing something like that is,

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Speaker 1: out and just kill somebody with that? Uh? Probably not.

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Speaker 1: but they aren't always. You know, you have to think

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Speaker 1: people with flies. Um, let's talk about let's get into

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Speaker 1: the subject. So on a video posted nearly February eighteen,

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Speaker 1: Gloria Copeland said this to her parishioners in a Facebook

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Speaker 1: that and and play the start too, about a minute

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Speaker 1: in four seconds. Well, listen, partners, we don't have a

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Speaker 1: flu season. We've got a duck season, the dear season,

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Speaker 1: but we don't have a flu season. And don't receive

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Speaker 1: it when somebody threatens you with everybody's getting the flu,

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Speaker 1: we've already had our shot. He bore our sicknesses and

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Speaker 1: carried our diseason. That's what we send though, and by

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Speaker 1: his stripes we were healed. If you've already got the flu,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna pray for you right now. Father, I pray

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Speaker 1: for every person that has symptoms of flu. I'm asking

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Speaker 1: your Lord, but your supernatural power to heal them now

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Speaker 1: from the top of their into the souls of their feet.

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Speaker 1: Flu I bind you off of the people. And Jesus,

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Speaker 1: Jesus himself gave us the flu shot. He redeemed us

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Speaker 1: from the curse of flu. And we receive it, and

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Speaker 1: we take it, and we are healed by his strips. Amen.

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Speaker 1: You know, the Bible says he himself bore our sicknesses

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Speaker 1: and carried our diseases, and by his strips were goodness. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's pretty great, isn't it. Who he Dude, her energy

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Speaker 1: it's ultimately trying to get free drinks. Like he's like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: she's she's doing all of this to like get you

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Speaker 1: to give her a pack of cigarettes. Right, Yeah, you

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Speaker 1: it's it's pretty cool, Gloria. And that video went on

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Speaker 1: Inoculate yourself with the word of God. Flu I bind

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Speaker 1: It's good stuff. Yeah. Again. That was February of two thousand,

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Speaker 1: in the CDC's records. Uh. And the fact that Copeland

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Speaker 1: It looks like we've moved past that particular bad idea. Um,

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Speaker 1: Jesus Capitalist Christ uh you know, is being crucified by

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Speaker 1: And I as a little bit of a I don't know,

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Speaker 1: plagues to like terrorist manifestos, it's like the plague equivalent

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Speaker 1: think The Who's Tommy is the greatest album of all times.

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Speaker 1: So I would say the Black Plague is the Tommy

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Speaker 1: learned about you right now, thank you. Yeah so. Uh.

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Speaker 1: you have people who don't bathe for weeks on end

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00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:05,159
Speaker 1: and beat themselves bloody every day, wandering through town and

425
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 1: they're not just being watched by people. Um, sick children

426
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 1: are brought to them for healing. Uh. If those children

427
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 1: have the plague, obviously that spreads to the Flagelens. If

428
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:16,680
Speaker 1: the Flagelens have the plague, it spreads to the sick

429
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:20,720
Speaker 1: kids and their family. But also these people. As these

430
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:24,880
Speaker 1: men are whipping themselves bloody, worshippers would dip their clothing

431
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,360
Speaker 1: in the blood and then press it to and then

432
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 1: press it to their eyes. Disgusting. It's like it really

433
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 1: is like someone some scientists set out to be like

434
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:42,400
Speaker 1: what's the how can I spread the most plague like?

435
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 1: And they nail it. They nail it like this is

436
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 1: solid work in terms of plague spreading. I'm very impressed.

437
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 1: Get the bloody whip, guys. Blood it's in your fucking

438
00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:59,879
Speaker 1: rub it in your eyes. You want to get it

439
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 1: right in that fucking eye, dude, Like that's the place

440
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,440
Speaker 1: to do it. Who fucking told them like that? You need?

441
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 1: You had to go that far with it. Why couldn't

442
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,119
Speaker 1: have just been like, oh, we're near them. Might have

443
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,440
Speaker 1: to be like now I need the blood in my

444
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 1: fucking I You know, I think it's always I think

445
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 1: Miles that it's kind of like the yes and sort

446
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,199
Speaker 1: of thing is applied to religion. You know. This is

447
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 1: just sort of you just do what feels good in

448
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 1: the moment, you know. Or it's like speaking tongues where

449
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 1: one person whatever and then other people go all the

450
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:38,879
Speaker 1: way in there like you got watch but yeah, and

451
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 1: they fucking start vibing. Yeah, I get it. Performative. So

452
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 1: I guess that person just like, oh, you're just gonna

453
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,439
Speaker 1: fucking sort of weep near them. I'm gonna put the

454
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 1: fucking blood in my eyes because that's down. And everyone's like,

455
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:54,159
Speaker 1: now we're rubbing plague blood in our eyes. It's a

456
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 1: new hip thing. It spreads viral e you know. Although

457
00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 1: the bubonic plague wasn't a virus. But you know what

458
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 1: I'm saying, you get the get the you get the

459
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 1: I don't think it was a virus. What's the bubonic

460
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,879
Speaker 1: plague of virus? I always get this mixed up, the

461
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 1: whole virus versus bacteria. Bacteria, Yep, yep, that's what I thought. Okay, cool,

462
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 1: I remain a great expert. So the Flagelens are doing

463
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 1: a bad thing here in terms of this objectively spread

464
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,359
Speaker 1: the plague to a shipload of people. But again, they're

465
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:29,120
Speaker 1: not monsters, Like there's no one with like good advice

466
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 1: really being like this is a bad idea, and here's

467
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 1: the evidence as to why, Like I mean, you could.

468
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:35,719
Speaker 1: I'm sure there were people who recognize it like this,

469
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:37,440
Speaker 1: really see, it seems like we get a lot more

470
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,400
Speaker 1: plague cases once the Flagelens came in. But like, we're

471
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 1: not doing so hot at science in this areas. You can't.

472
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 1: They're not trying to be irresponsible. It's a nonsense. Time

473
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,920
Speaker 1: they thought God had just started murdering all of them,

474
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 1: and they reacted with panic, but also in a way

475
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 1: that like I think I can't call them monsters for

476
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:58,880
Speaker 1: doing it. Um, Yeah, if we're looking for the greatest

477
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 1: evil committed by Christendom. In the play Gears, Um, it's

478
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 1: actually something that occurs kind of separate from the organized

479
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 1: chunks of the Catholic Church, or at least separate from

480
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 1: what the church wanted in that period. See folks suffering

481
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 1: through the worst of the plague. Gears noticed that Jewish

482
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 1: people did not seem to suffer as badly from the

483
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 1: creeping death. And there's a number of theories for this,

484
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,679
Speaker 1: and it probably boils down to the fact that number one,

485
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 1: Jewish people bathed regularly in the Middle Ages, and Christians

486
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 1: really didn't, so they're kind of the only people. And yeah,

487
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 1: that's still like maybe like once a week or once

488
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,399
Speaker 1: a month or something like. They're not bathing, but bathing,

489
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 1: and other people are just like, no, you just put

490
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 1: on new clothes over your flth and um. They also

491
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 1: washed the bodies of their dead before burial. And since

492
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,399
Speaker 1: the plague is spread heavily by like, um fucking fleas

493
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 1: and stuff like, this helps, right, it reduces the They

494
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 1: don't get it as much as Christians. Um. And they

495
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:57,120
Speaker 1: also aren't attending these giant marches through the city. They're

496
00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 1: not hanging around near around near the flag a Lens.

497
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 1: They're doing their own thing in their own neighborhoods, while

498
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 1: Christians and Christian parts of town are rubbing the blood

499
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 1: of whip building transients into their eyes. So it's not

500
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,120
Speaker 1: hard to see why Jewish people don't get it quite

501
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:12,919
Speaker 1: as much, and still a lot of them die of

502
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 1: the plague. Don't get me wrong, but they people notice

503
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 1: that Jewish communities aren't being hit by this as hard

504
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 1: as the Christian ones. Um, And rather than kind of recognized, oh,

505
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 1: maybe we should start bathing and stop hanging out with

506
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 1: these whip people, UM, Christians started engaging in a series

507
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 1: of unspeakably violent pogroms. And in fact, some scholars will

508
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 1: call this the first Holocaust. UM, and we will we

509
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 1: will never even have a vague idea of the total

510
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 1: death toll. But the individual massacres we know about, we're horrific. UM.

511
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: In one Valence Tine's Day in Strasburg, Germany, two thousand

512
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 1: Jewish people were burnt to death. UM. Three thousand Jews

513
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 1: were massacred in a couple of days in the ghetto

514
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: of Mainz. Um. Jews were massacred in Spain and France

515
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 1: and the Balkans and and basically everywhere but chunks of

516
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 1: Poland because the king of Poland the time had a

517
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 1: Jewish mistress and so he was he was chill. Yeah,

518
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,719
Speaker 1: he was like he's like, hold up, wait a minute,

519
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 1: this is great for me, So yeah, don't worry about it.

520
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 1: I'm also just kind of I'm still thinking about the

521
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 1: bathing part where the Christians culturally were so much dirtier,

522
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: and they're like, look at them, the old clean people

523
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: who don't get sick. They must be involved in some

524
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: kind of dark shit or whatever. And then the idea

525
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:41,719
Speaker 1: of yet what I don't know, like the complexion of

526
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: a person who has not bathed in however long you

527
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 1: naturally interact with a bathing situation, what that's like If

528
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 1: it's like a scratcher that you'd get at a liquor store,

529
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: like you'd reveal a whole other thing on. Yeah, you get,

530
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 1: you get holier. You know, the longer you go without bathing,

531
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: the more God loves you. Oh damn it. God's God's

532
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 1: God's into some kinky ship miles. Um, really He's really

533
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 1: into you know that, Like, um, you know, you know,

534
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 1: God's favorite pornography is actually old episodes of Peanuts and

535
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 1: that character Pig. But now this has gone too far,

536
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 1: this is god further than it ought to. Oh hell yeah, yeah,

537
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: where you going with that, buddy? You want to you

538
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 1: want to finish that there is you know, I didn't

539
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 1: want to lead this into like child porn territory. So

540
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 1: let's go back to anti Semitism. Um. So uh now

541
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 1: and trying to like parce out the Catholic Church is

542
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 1: guilt in this. The Catholic Church is guilty of a ton, an,

543
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 1: absolute assload of anti Semitism over the centuries, and they

544
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 1: definitely seeded communities around Europe with a lot of this

545
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 1: and reinforced it in their Catholic churches with like stained

546
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 1: glass reliefs of Jewish people killing Christian children that are

547
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 1: around to this day. There were even more of them

548
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 1: back then. So there's absolutely a significant level of guilt

549
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: that goes into the Catholic Church in terms of inculcating

550
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: these enough of these beliefs in people that they were

551
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: there when the plague hit and that had an impact

552
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: on the massacre. But when it comes to what they

553
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: actually did during the plague when Jewish people started getting murdered.

554
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 1: They didn't they didn't encourage this sort of ship quite

555
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 1: the opposite. In fact, Pope Clement the sixth released two

556
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 1: papal bowls during the plague, one in eight, and papal

557
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 1: bowls were kind of like the presidential tweets of the day,

558
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: like this is Pope Clement like getting up and and

559
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 1: hopping on the twitter um. The first of his papal

560
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 1: bowls condemned people who attacked Jews for spreading the plague

561
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 1: uh and in specifically stated that Christians who did this

562
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 1: had been seduced by that liar the devil. And in

563
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 1: his second papal bowl, Pope Clement said, it cannot be

564
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 1: true that the Jews, by such a heinous crime, are

565
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 1: the cause or occasion of the plague, because through many

566
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 1: parts of the world, the same plague, by the hidden

567
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 1: judgment of God, has afflicted and afflicts the Jews themselves

568
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 1: in many other races who have never lived alongside them,

569
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: which is actually like a really reasonable, like scientifically backed

570
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: reason for for not doing this, Like he's actually very

571
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 1: he handles this as well as you can expect, I guess,

572
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 1: like that's like that's like that meme where it shows

573
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 1: like level of thinking where it's just fucking light bursting

574
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 1: out of your skull. We're like, hold on, let's look around.

575
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:22,719
Speaker 1: Everybody's getting it. Everybody's getting it. That's not fair. Cities

576
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 1: without any Jewish people are getting to like you can't

577
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: you clearly this can't be their fault. Hey, I want Hey,

578
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 1: I want to blame him as much as you guys do.

579
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 1: Trust me, I do. I'm the pope. I want to

580
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 1: It would be great if we could love blaming people.

581
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 1: Huge about blame. I mean, I would love to escapegoat,

582
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 1: but I'm just this one's tough. This I will say,

583
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: it's interesting that the initial response of the Pope in

584
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 1: Um was arguably based in sounder science than the first

585
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 1: responses of the President of the United States to r

586
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:05,719
Speaker 1: o Play Like clements reasoning is more solid than what

587
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 1: Trump was dropping. So there you go. You're getting own.

588
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: You're getting owned from centuries and so Clement the sixth

589
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 1: I would say, response to this about as well as

590
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: you could have possibly hoped. But also a lot of

591
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 1: people ignore him, millions of people. And there's also obviously

592
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 1: there's individual Catholic priest, individual churches who don't follow it. Like,

593
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: but people in general follow some people aren't on Twitter

594
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 1: as Yeah, tens of thousands of Jews die horribly during

595
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 1: the plague from violence, you know, kind of a minimum um.

596
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 1: And the explanation you'll hear most often for why these

597
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 1: people were killed is that ignorant Christians assumed that the

598
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 1: Jews were poisoning them all as part of some sort

599
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,719
Speaker 1: of like white genocide scheme. Um. And yeah, this is

600
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 1: this is something the Church does deserve some credit for

601
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: because they spread the rumor that Rabbi sacrificed Christian children

602
00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 1: for centuries. But um, the it's more complicated than that,

603
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 1: even though, because more recent research into the eradication of

604
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 1: Jewish communities in Europe during the plague suggests that what

605
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 1: happened actually has fairly little to do with the actual

606
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: damage done by the plague. In other words, the places

607
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 1: where Jewish people weren't killed weren't necessary the places that

608
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: suffered most from the plague. It wasn't Oh, a bunch

609
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:21,760
Speaker 1: of us died from the plague, and now we're angry

610
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: and we need a scapegold to be violent towards. It's

611
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,320
Speaker 1: actually not that's that doesn't seem to be what really happened,

612
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna quote now from a paper put out

613
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 1: by the Elliott School of International Affairs at George Washington University.

614
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: At an aggregate level, we found that scapegoating led to

615
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 1: an increase in the baseline probability of a persecution. However,

616
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,760
Speaker 1: at the city level, locations which experienced higher plague mortality

617
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: rates were less likely to engage in persecutions. Furthermore, persecutions

618
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: were more likely in cities with a history of anti

619
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 1: semitism consistent with scapegoating, and less likely in cities where

620
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 1: Jews played an important economic role. This jokes with long

621
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 1: standing findings in the field of genocide studies. Essential what

622
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 1: you're seeing is that like the towns that people hated

623
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 1: Jews the most before the plague took the opportunity to

624
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 1: murder a bunch of Jewish people, the towns that suffered

625
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 1: the worst from the plague, if they didn't have as

626
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 1: much of a history from anti Semitism, they didn't find

627
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:16,359
Speaker 1: themselves driven to suddenly start killing Jewish people. Um. It

628
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 1: was folks who just kind of took the opportunity. Um.

629
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 1: And one of the things that seemed to be most

630
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: protective of Jewish people during this time was the cities

631
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 1: in which they were kind of most economically integrated. And this,

632
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 1: um this brings us to a real fucking bummer in

633
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 1: the field of genocide studies. Uh and it, I'm gonna mean,

634
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:41,439
Speaker 1: it almost seems like a given, Like yeah, I want

635
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 1: to tell you, like the really the coolest thing, the

636
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: most fun thing about genocide studies, Like that's I don't

637
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 1: know if that's ever sentence someone's going to say, so

638
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 1: thank you though for preparing me. I consider this one

639
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: of the least fun things about genocide studies, even though

640
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,760
Speaker 1: it's kind of explaining why genocides don't happen in some places.

641
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: Um quote. According to the scapegoating theory, members of a

642
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: majority experiencing negative shocks settle on a specific target to

643
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,240
Speaker 1: blame for their problems. Another potential mechanism determining the likelihood

644
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 1: of persecution focuses on the extent of economic complementarities, so

645
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:15,320
Speaker 1: the ability to which their economically intermingled between the majority

646
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 1: and the minority. This thesis argues that patterns of economic

647
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,720
Speaker 1: complementarity and substitute ability determine the ability of two groups

648
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 1: to coexist when the economic activities of the two groups

649
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: complement each other, shocks may lead the majority to protect

650
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 1: the minority because of its economic value. So that's a

651
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:36,439
Speaker 1: bummer that, like what protected communities from. I mean, there's

652
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 1: two ways to view it. Either the soulas is like

653
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: oh no, like purely, when people think that they have

654
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,760
Speaker 1: financial benefits from not murdering each other, they don't murder

655
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 1: each other. That's the bummer where it's like, oh god,

656
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 1: our only solution is more capitalism. The other way to

657
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 1: look at is just that like, no, when when two

658
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: different groups, when a minority group becomes intermingled with a

659
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 1: majority and they all become economically tied, they get to

660
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 1: know each other, they shop at each other's stores, and

661
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,280
Speaker 1: they don't and they're like, oh no, I know these people,

662
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: they're part of my community. I'm not going to murder them.

663
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: And I see that they have there's we have value

664
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 1: that we offer each other and at all, it's not

665
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: just like who the funk are these people? Yeah, so

666
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 1: you can you can interpret this and in an optimistic

667
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,240
Speaker 1: view of human nature or a pessimistic view of human nature,

668
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 1: and it kind of feeds equally well into either. You know,

669
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 1: I wonder if it would be something like, well, you know,

670
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:33,919
Speaker 1: once there's robots, Um, we're just going to be that's

671
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 1: I mean, that's my solution. Like, I don't know, that

672
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:40,839
Speaker 1: seems like that motive seems a little bit far off.

673
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 1: You know, for years now, Miles, every time we've hung out,

674
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,240
Speaker 1: I've said, if there weren't robots, I'd be murdering you. Um.

675
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 1: And I never really thought about why I was saying that,

676
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: but yeah, it was super funny. And then now that

677
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 1: you said this, I'm starting anyway. Yeah, we can explore

678
00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:03,280
Speaker 1: that later. Um. So yeah, it's cool stuff. Um. Anyway,

679
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,879
Speaker 1: there's a lot of the Black plague is a bomber um.

680
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 1: And and we're going to move on from the Black plague. Uh,

681
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,319
Speaker 1: and the question of whether or not genocide is inevitable

682
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 1: or if it's only avoidable with economic complimentarity or whatever.

683
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 1: We're gonna We're gonna move on from that complicated topic

684
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 1: of discussions to talk about something fun. The Spanish flew

685
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,879
Speaker 1: epidemic of nineteen eighteen. Are you a big span flu fan?

686
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 1: Are you a sea Yeah? Oh my God of the

687
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 1: flues so much about this whole thing. I love it

688
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 1: so much. Um. Yeah, if I'm you know. No. The

689
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: only thing I know is that I think Babe Ruth

690
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 1: got it twice. That sounds about that sounds like Babe Ruth,

691
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: And a lot of people would say, you know, Babe Ruth,

692
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: it's the Babe Ruth of flues. I think more modernly

693
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 1: people would say it's the Lebron James of flues. But

694
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 1: it's really this is like you're sucking. I'm just saying,

695
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: if Lebron was a flu, he would kill five to

696
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 1: fifty million human beings, much like is though, just as

697
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 1: like a personal thing. I feel very proud of you

698
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:14,439
Speaker 1: for knowing he don't bring him into this dunking. Well look,

699
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to make this to the audience. Lebron James,

700
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 1: I mean, how far? And like the Lakers, the Spanish

701
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 1: flu carried out a series of dunks all around the world.

702
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,359
Speaker 1: Um that killed tens of millions of people, just like

703
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: the Lakers. Oh my god, now this is do you

704
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: do You have you heard much about like how the

705
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: name Spanish flu came about Miles. Isn't it like his

706
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 1: xenophobic label? No? Um, well it became one. Actually, it's

707
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: very this is a tremendous irony. Um So the Spanish Flu,

708
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 1: we don't know where it came from. Some people say

709
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 1: somewhere in Asia, some people say somewhere in eastern Europe.

710
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: There's actually a really good chance it started in Kansas.

711
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 1: And if you like, some people tracing it back to

712
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:05,439
Speaker 1: think that it actually did start in Kansas. Um. Yeah,

713
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,399
Speaker 1: And if the Spanish Flu originated from Kansas, then it's

714
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 1: probably the second deadliest thing to come out of that state,

715
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 1: right next to Kirstie Alley. Um. Yeah, it's yeah. I

716
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 1: was just talking about Kirsty recently. Yeah, I fifty million

717
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 1: human beings. Um. So the Moniker, the Spanish Flu came out.

718
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 1: The Spanish Flu started to break out in nineteen eighteen.

719
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:33,800
Speaker 1: And what was happening in nineteen eighteen, we have this

720
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 1: this whole World War One thing. You might have heard

721
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 1: of it, Um it was kind of World Wars before

722
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 1: World Wars were cool, you know, yeah, before they got gentrified. Um,

723
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: before like Disney took over. Um So, the Spanish flew

724
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 1: this influenza hits and it starts killing people on the

725
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 1: Western Front is where a lot of early cases were,

726
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 1: and it spread heavily, but it actually killed more people

727
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:58,439
Speaker 1: than the whole war that, but it starts spreading widely

728
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 1: among soldiers. But like all of the Western powers, had

729
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 1: clamped down on freedom of the press during the war,

730
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 1: so you couldn't report in England, or in France or

731
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 1: in Germany. You couldn't write stories about this new flu

732
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 1: that was spreading. You'd get fucking you wind up in

733
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 1: a fucking prison cell. Whereas Spain is a neutral power

734
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: and their press is relatively free during this time. So

735
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 1: Spanish newspapers start reporting on the influenza first, and so

736
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 1: people blame start assuming that it started in Spain. And

737
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 1: there absolutely is racism and persecution as a result of this.

738
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 1: But just because Spain didn't clamp down on the press,

739
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: super fucked up. Holy sh it, look at you had

740
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 1: to fucking open your big fucking mouth, and ye shouldn't

741
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 1: have had just Spain. It's good that they did, but

742
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 1: it is just part of one of the lessons of

743
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 1: histories that you should never do good things because everything's bad. No,

744
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,240
Speaker 1: that's not the lesson of history, but it can feel

745
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:57,280
Speaker 1: that way sometimes. Uh, don't lose hope. Let's talk about

746
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: the Spanish flu pandemic. So the influenza did start in Spain,

747
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 1: but it did kill a funk pile of Spaniards, like

748
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: it killed so many Spanish people miles. Um. I would

749
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,320
Speaker 1: compare it to like Christie Alley um in its ability

750
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 1: to murder people in Spain. How many piles to a

751
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 1: Christie Alley is seven or eight? Um so And in

752
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 1: nowhere in Spain did the Spanish flu kill more people

753
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 1: than the town of Zamora, or kill at least a

754
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 1: higher percentage of people than the town of Zamora. Now,

755
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 1: Zamora was renowned as being one of the most devout

756
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 1: parts of Spain, which was a very devout country at

757
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 1: this time, you know. Uh. And Zamora was very particularly

758
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:36,359
Speaker 1: famous for its Holy Week processions, which are kind of like,

759
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: you know, sort of like what we saw with the

760
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 1: Black plague. You know, it's the it's this thing that

761
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 1: the Church has always done. They would have these processions

762
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 1: of barefoot, hooded peditents um, like marching through town and

763
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 1: everybody sort of show up to watch them and worship together. Um,

764
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 1: which is I'm sure a very satisfying thing to do

765
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,720
Speaker 1: if you're a Catholic believer, but also is a super

766
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: good way to spread the plague. Um. So that's that's

767
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:03,399
Speaker 1: a big part of the culture in Zamora. UM. Now. So,

768
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 1: in nineteen fourteen, Zamora had welcomed the arrival of a

769
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 1: new bishop named Antonio Alvario I Blanno at thirty eight

770
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 1: years old. The church newspaper El Cario had declared Bologno

771
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 1: an eloquent, youthful, fire brand of a leader. So he's

772
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 1: like this hot young priest who comes into town. He's

773
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:23,959
Speaker 1: very popular, very charismatic. Uh and he's you know, four

774
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 1: years into the gig when the play hits um and

775
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 1: So the Bishop of Zamoura had been seen as something

776
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 1: of like a wounder kin within church circles prior to

777
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:33,399
Speaker 1: this point, which is why he got that job so young.

778
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:35,320
Speaker 1: He'd been one of the best students in his seminary,

779
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 1: and at age twenty three he'd become the chair of

780
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: metaphysics at the seminary in Guadalajara. UM. So he was

781
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:45,839
Speaker 1: a very well respected guy within the church. Um and Yeah.

782
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 1: The book Pale writer by Laura Spinning notes of the

783
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 1: bishop quote. In his inaugural letter to his new diocese,

784
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 1: Alvario Ebilangno wrote that men should actively seek God in truth,

785
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 1: which were the same thing, and expressed his surprise that

786
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: science seemed to advance and step with it a termination

787
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 1: to turn away from God. The light of reason was weak,

788
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 1: and modern society's mistake contempt for God's law for progress.

789
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 1: He wrote of dark forces that wish to reject God

790
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:14,919
Speaker 1: or even annihilate him, if that were possible. So we're

791
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 1: not set up with this guy being a great dude

792
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 1: to handle the first plague that hits in an era

793
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 1: where people actually know about science and how disease spreads

794
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 1: in a real concerted way. Yeah, because because what he

795
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 1: is like, Oh, don't come at me with science, bro,

796
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: I'm a fucking man of God. Science is atheism receipts

797
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:35,439
Speaker 1: and I don't need those in front of my face

798
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 1: right now. Yeah. And this is like, you know, Spanish

799
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,800
Speaker 1: blue hits were like right on the cusp of antibiotics.

800
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 1: You know, we haven't really locked that ship down, but

801
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 1: like we're starting to understand how all this ship works.

802
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: And so there are experts who have good advice in

803
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 1: the Spanish flu and um, yeah, he's not going to

804
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 1: be the kind of guy who listens to experts. So

805
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 1: when the when the influenza hit the country that would

806
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 1: become its namesake. It starts at first in the east.

807
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: By September it had traveled into the interior of Spain.

808
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 1: That fall was a particularly good time for it to

809
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 1: spread in Spain because September is a harvest month, and

810
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 1: it's also the month when many Spanish cities would host

811
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:16,760
Speaker 1: bull fights, which again I would say, I love fighting

812
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 1: bulls um during this time of the year. If you're

813
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 1: like me, try to do it alone. Don't fight bulls

814
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: with hundreds of other people in the center of the town.

815
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 1: It's it's gonna spread, you know, COVID nineteen A, right,

816
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: how many bulls have you thought? I don't know. It's

817
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,240
Speaker 1: kind of hard to remember with all the head injuries,

818
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: but you know, yeah, so said. Fall was also kind

819
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:38,479
Speaker 1: of the time of the year in which the army

820
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 1: would send new recruits to Zamora to conduct artillery drills,

821
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 1: and this is probably how the disease first gets gets

822
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 1: to the town, because some of these recruits were sick

823
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:49,720
Speaker 1: by the time they hit Zamora, and many soon followed.

824
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 1: And at first the city government attempted to quarantine six

825
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 1: soldiers in their barracks, but this did not work, probably

826
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: do partly to the fact that soldiers infected people before

827
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 1: anyone knew that they were sick, and partly due to

828
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 1: the fact that you just you can't try stop soldiers

829
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 1: from fucking, you know, especially Spanish soldiers. They're just gonna

830
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 1: sunk their way through that town and they're pictures. Yeah,

831
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:16,840
Speaker 1: the Legion, the Spanish legion. Oh my boy. There's a

832
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 1: whole fun discussion about the fact that those guys were

833
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: like the main arm of Spain's fascist dictator and colonial anyway,

834
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: we don't need to get into that, but yes, but

835
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 1: those vs are so deep. You can be fucking and

836
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 1: Spanish troops especially be fucking and I think they be

837
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 1: fucking they be spreading the influenza when I think you

838
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 1: can assume assume. However, the hotter the soldier, the more

839
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 1: evil they are. Yeah, the more plague they're gonna spread,

840
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: which is why my presidential campaign will rest upon only

841
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 1: hiring ugly people to be in the army. Were fantastic. Yeah,

842
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 1: we're gonna lock this ship down, no no more. You're

843
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 1: gonna have to brand that differently, so it's not like, yeah,

844
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 1: well actually landed on it. This is our way of

845
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 1: dealing with it, is just branding their faces. You know,

846
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 1: as I'm a anybody ugly with it, this probably not

847
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:18,840
Speaker 1: that you should it should be a different name. Like,

848
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:22,240
Speaker 1: it's not for ugly. It's an army of the normal,

849
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 1: you know, not for the hot. So that way, you know,

850
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 1: people don't have to admit to themselves they might not

851
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:30,720
Speaker 1: be as beautiful. We don't We don't want to do branding,

852
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 1: but we do want to plug these brands because you

853
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:38,320
Speaker 1: know what time it is speaking of burning people's faces

854
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 1: permanently to make them less aesthetically pleasing and reduce the

855
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:46,879
Speaker 1: spread of fascistic, militaristic dogma. You know what else will

856
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 1: brand your faces in order to stop the spread of

857
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 1: negative attitudes towards the sectioness of violence. These products a

858
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 1: great we're back. So, yeah, these troops come into town,

859
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 1: they they intermingle with the civilian population. Everybody in fucking

860
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 1: Zamora starts to get sick, right yeah, And enough people

861
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 1: are sick within a couple of weeks that it actually

862
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 1: gets in the way of the town's ability to take

863
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 1: in the harvest, which of course means people start to starve.

864
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 1: It's not a good situation. And the whole problem was

865
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:29,359
Speaker 1: exacerbated by the fact that people did not have kind

866
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:33,919
Speaker 1: of an ideal handle on virology. Um, the the experts did,

867
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 1: but normal people were still not all that far off

868
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: from kind of where normal people were, you know, during

869
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:43,840
Speaker 1: the bubonic plague right there. There's doctors get this stuff,

870
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 1: but like your average Joe doesn't. And I'm gonna quote

871
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: from the book Pale Writer again. During the first wave

872
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 1: of the pandemic, the country's Inspector General of Health, Martin Salazar,

873
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:55,879
Speaker 1: had lamented the inability of a bureaucratic and underfunded health

874
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,919
Speaker 1: system to prevent the disease from spreading. Though provincial health

875
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 1: committees took their lead from his directorate, they had no

876
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 1: powers of enforcement, and they quickly came up against what

877
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 1: he described as the terrible pignorance of the populace, the

878
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 1: failure to grasp, for example, that an infected person on

879
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 1: the move would transmit the disease. Oh yeah, ignorance, pignorance. Yeah,

880
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:17,919
Speaker 1: we've never seen anything like that happen again, because we've

881
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 1: obviously moved forward so much in the last century, and

882
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 1: we can just laugh at these simple Spaniards for failure

883
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 1: to understand virology and isolate themselves. Oh my god, we

884
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 1: know everything. Now look at us. We're not letting history

885
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 1: fucking repeat itself over and goddamn over miles. I've been

886
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 1: quarantined in a bunker since the start of March, but

887
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 1: I can guarantee that one thing that would never happen

888
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 1: in America in the midst of a plague is people

889
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:49,919
Speaker 1: gathering in mass and clubs and beaches, um, while huge

890
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 1: chunks of the country locked themselves down. That wouldn't happen

891
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:56,319
Speaker 1: because we're not We're smarter than people were in nineteen eight,

892
00:49:56,480 --> 00:50:01,279
Speaker 1: and we haven't been systematically dismantling our education system to

893
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 1: create people who might not really give a funk about

894
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 1: things like us. I don't even know what systematically dismantling means,

895
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 1: and I'm just gonna roll along to my story now

896
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: sounds like it now. The popular liberal solution uh to

897
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 1: sort of like within kind of the intelligencia, the kind

898
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 1: of like more secular sort of people in like the

899
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 1: cities in Spain. Their solution to the plague was what

900
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 1: they called a sanitary dictatorship, a strict program of quarantine

901
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 1: imposed from the top down to stop the spread of

902
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 1: the illness on all costs, and dutifully the newspapers of

903
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 1: Zamora try to explain the benefits of this system to

904
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 1: the people. But first they had to explain very basic

905
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 1: facts about contagion to their readers, including the fact that

906
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 1: the disease did not develop spontaneously as a result of

907
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 1: God being angry at you. Um, and a lot of

908
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 1: Again this is nineteen eighteen. A lot of local doctors

909
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:54,959
Speaker 1: weren't helpful in spreading the real news. And I'm gonna

910
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 1: quote again from pale writer one Luis Cebara suggested the

911
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 1: imprint that is ease with the result of a build

912
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 1: up of impurities in the blood due to sexual incontinence,

913
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:06,760
Speaker 1: a variation in the medieval idea that a moderate lechery

914
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 1: could trigger a humoral imbalance. So this guy is like, no,

915
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:14,320
Speaker 1: it's people fucking too much. That's what makes you. You

916
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:17,320
Speaker 1: fucked too much. God gets angry at you, and God's

917
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: anger goes into your blood, as we all know. And

918
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 1: so the more God anger that builds up, it just

919
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 1: starts boiling out of you in the plague. And that's

920
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 1: how it works. What they tell you, what they tell you,

921
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 1: what that it's not God that's angry at who told

922
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 1: you that because you're coming, scientist, because you're coming, and

923
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 1: you know what, I bet that person doesn't come or

924
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 1: has never comed. It's such a fucking week. I'm saying

925
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:44,439
Speaker 1: it right now. Dr Louis E. Barra never came, not once. Yeah.

926
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 1: I like that. That's the first myth like they have

927
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 1: to take down as like a like a press or

928
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 1: like just like the experts. All right, I know this

929
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 1: flu is going around. It's really gnarly, and the question

930
00:51:56,440 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 1: on everyone's mind is is it God? That's super We're

931
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:02,319
Speaker 1: angry at us and that's what's happening, and we've got

932
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 1: to say, no, that's not what it is. And it

933
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:06,840
Speaker 1: just feels like a very heavy thing to have to

934
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 1: lay on to people. Yeah, God's not pissed at you,

935
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 1: but you're still dying, and here's what we have to do. Yeah.

936
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:15,360
Speaker 1: I guess there's probably is an extent to which a

937
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 1: lot of people found it more comfortable to believe that

938
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 1: just God was God was you know, kind of drunken

939
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 1: angry again, as opposed to like, oh no, actually, this

940
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 1: is just a thing that we're going to be dealing

941
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 1: with probably forever. Where sometimes horrible viruses creep up somewhere

942
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 1: in the world and kill people all over the planet.

943
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:33,719
Speaker 1: And this is this is just the way it is,

944
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:40,319
Speaker 1: and there is no reason to it. Uh yeah. So

945
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 1: the good news is that the actual government of Zamora

946
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:46,879
Speaker 1: listened to the experts, the experts who weren't idiots at least,

947
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 1: and announced a ban on large gatherings until further notice. Now,

948
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 1: we in the USA are well familiar with how our

949
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 1: own country people reacted when this started to happen um,

950
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 1: and the same things occurred in Zamora, only instead of

951
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 1: drunk college kids on spa break, the culprit was the

952
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 1: Bishop of Zamora. And I'm gonna quote again from the

953
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 1: book Pale Writer. On thirty September, Bishop Alvario Eblano defied

954
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 1: the health authorities by ordering a novena evening prayers on

955
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:16,320
Speaker 1: nine consecutive days in honor of St. Roco, the patron

956
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:18,799
Speaker 1: Saint of Plague and Pestilence, because the evil that had

957
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 1: befallen Zamoranos was due to our sins and ingratitude, for

958
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 1: which the avenging arm of eternal justice has been brought

959
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 1: down upon us. On the first day of the novenna,

960
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 1: in the presence of the mayor and other notables. He

961
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 1: dispensed holy communion to a large crowd at the Church

962
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:34,839
Speaker 1: of St. Esteban. At another church, the congregation was asked

963
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,359
Speaker 1: to adore relics of St. Rocco, which meant lining up

964
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 1: to kiss them. So plague breaks out. Let's get everyone

965
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:42,399
Speaker 1: into a small room, have them all dipped their hands

966
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:44,919
Speaker 1: into the same water him them all kissed the same thing,

967
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 1: Like everybody, take a sip out this cup to kiss

968
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 1: that thing. Is It is weird that like we got

969
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:59,320
Speaker 1: over like all of our most of our prescriptions against

970
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:02,320
Speaker 1: like X and intoxication, all the stuff that the Catholic

971
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 1: Church would have said people shouldn't be doing. But the

972
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 1: same basic bad idea is the same. Like this group

973
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 1: of people who thinks fucking is horrible, in this group

974
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 1: of people who are all there to funk, are all

975
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 1: still gathering in a small area and touching their mouths

976
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 1: to the same things. Fundamentally, the problem is the same. Yeah, right, exactly,

977
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:24,799
Speaker 1: But you're just you're doing the worst version of it,

978
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:27,839
Speaker 1: that's the least fun version of what ye doing. At

979
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 1: least some of these dead people had a good party.

980
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 1: I don't know if I want to say that, but

981
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 1: it does sound. Yeah, I don't know. There's again, there's

982
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 1: no lesson here other than it's always a bad idea

983
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 1: to shove your mouth on the same things other people

984
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 1: are in a cramped room in the middle of a plague. Yeah.

985
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:48,400
Speaker 1: At the very least is what are the what are

986
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 1: the scientists saying? What are experts saying things? And stay inside? Yeah?

987
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:56,719
Speaker 1: No really, na, Na, So I fucked that. I'm going

988
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:59,359
Speaker 1: to suck a bunch of ship party with a bunch

989
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 1: of my friends. Yeah. Well, I think I told Robert this.

990
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 1: But the the kid that was like a TikToker that

991
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:06,760
Speaker 1: was going around looking to its ended up in the

992
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 1: hospital with coronavirus. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I'm not gonna I'm

993
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:13,840
Speaker 1: not going to spare a whole lot of my sympathy

994
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 1: for that kid. Yeah yeah, keep moving, keep moving the

995
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 1: same day as that, let's all kiss the same thing party. Uh.

996
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:26,879
Speaker 1: Sister Docitia Andreas of the Servants of Mary and Nun

997
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:29,760
Speaker 1: died while treating influenza riddle soldiers of the barracks because

998
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:32,319
Speaker 1: you know, she got sick from them. The bishop called

999
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 1: her a virtuous and exemplary nun who accepted her martyrdom

1000
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 1: by flu with grace and a plum um. He praised

1001
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 1: her for sleeping only four hours a day during this period,

1002
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 1: which I'm sure helped her immune system out a whole bunch. Now,

1003
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 1: the mother, Yeah, she was so dedicated to hanging out

1004
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 1: with blague victims and then she died from it. It's

1005
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:54,920
Speaker 1: a bummer, um. The mother superior of this nun's convent

1006
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:57,879
Speaker 1: was so taken by the sacrifices Sister Andreas had made

1007
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:00,360
Speaker 1: that she urged all of the people of Or to

1008
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 1: turn out in large numbers for her funeral. And the

1009
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 1: bishop immediately hopped onto this, and he announced that all

1010
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:11,359
Speaker 1: attendees of this nun's funeral would be given sixty days indulgence,

1011
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:14,399
Speaker 1: which means like sixty days of get out of Hell

1012
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 1: free cards. Basically like sixty days that you like you

1013
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 1: don't gotta pay the church and like go to the

1014
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:21,719
Speaker 1: go to the fucking priest or whatever to like you know,

1015
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 1: you don't have to like get your sins forgiven for

1016
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 1: sixty days because you've been you've been to this. So

1017
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 1: he promises everyone who shows up at this funeral, and again,

1018
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 1: a crowded and disease riddled uh cathedral that they'll all

1019
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:41,479
Speaker 1: get out of hell free for two months. And while

1020
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 1: the newspapers of Zamora or are all trying to warn

1021
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:46,719
Speaker 1: people to stay home, they're also required because they're backed

1022
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:49,400
Speaker 1: by the church, to print the notices of church events.

1023
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 1: So they're simultaneously telling people to stay home and being

1024
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:55,359
Speaker 1: like huge plague party at the cathedral on this day,

1025
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 1: get out of hell for two straight months, you know.

1026
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:03,920
Speaker 1: So a whole bunch of Zamaranio show up to this

1027
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 1: this this funeral, and the bishop calls the funeral in

1028
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 1: the face of a state ban on gatherings. Quote one

1029
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 1: of the most significant victories Catholicism has obtained. Maybe as

1030
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:20,919
Speaker 1: a stretch, Um, yeah, yeah, well, I don't know. They've

1031
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 1: They're pretty they've They've had a lot of victories. We

1032
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 1: can argue they were victories that were won by doing

1033
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 1: horrible things. But they didn't get all those billions of

1034
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 1: dollars in art from losing mm hmm. So as October began,

1035
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 1: journalists started to write about the weird fact that Zamarano

1036
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 1: seemed to be dying in much much higher numbers than

1037
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 1: the residents of other cities. They blamed the problem on

1038
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 1: poor local hygiene, and later that month the sanitary dictatorship

1039
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 1: they sought was finally put in place. People were fined

1040
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 1: for throwing trash into the streets, Businesses were closed for

1041
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 1: failing to pass inspection, citizens were ticketed for letting their

1042
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 1: chickens roam free. But the Bishop of Zamora continued to

1043
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 1: hold man and Zamoranos crowded into the church in greater

1044
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 1: numbers than ever before. In fact, as the flu claimed

1045
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 1: more and more of their lives, the bishop repeated the

1046
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:11,960
Speaker 1: prayer pro tempore pestilential over and over again, and this

1047
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 1: prayer basically states the disease happens by the will of

1048
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 1: God and only God's mercy can end it, and so

1049
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 1: is huge peep numbers of the people who chanted this

1050
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:23,560
Speaker 1: prayer started to sicken and die. The priests starts circulating

1051
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 1: a letter and which he claims that the continuing deaths

1052
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 1: are proof that science can't cure the illness. So he's

1053
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 1: telling people to do the opposite of what the science says,

1054
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 1: telling them only God can pick who gets sick. A

1055
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 1: bunch of these people ignore the advice of scientists and

1056
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 1: get sick and die, and the bishop puts out a

1057
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 1: letter being like, see, the scientists are fullest shit, he writes, quote,

1058
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 1: observing in their troubles that there is no protection or

1059
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 1: relief to be found on the earth. The people distance themselves,

1060
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 1: disenchanted and turn their eyes towards Heaven. And of course, Heaven,

1061
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:57,120
Speaker 1: as represented by the bishop, is telling them all to

1062
00:58:57,160 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 1: get into crowded uh spaces together and kiss the same thing. Yeah,

1063
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:04,480
Speaker 1: he's yeah, you see what happened to those fucking idiots.

1064
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 1: That's right. Let's keep the party going, baby. Yeah. So

1065
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 1: four days after sending out this letter, on October, the

1066
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 1: bishop held a mass procession, bringing in worshippers from all

1067
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 1: around the countryside and cramming the cathedral fuller of people

1068
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 1: than it had been in years. Law enforcement attempted to

1069
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 1: stop this, pointing out that it was a clear violation

1070
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:23,440
Speaker 1: of the ban on mass gatherings, and the bishop accused

1071
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 1: them of unjustly interfering in church business. The mass went

1072
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 1: on as scheduled, and in the days that followed, even

1073
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 1: more people sickened. And I'm gonna quote again from pale writer.

1074
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:34,919
Speaker 1: As in other towns and villages, the decision was taken

1075
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:37,160
Speaker 1: to stop bringing the church bells and eulogy of the

1076
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:40,200
Speaker 1: dead in case the constant tolling frightened people. But in

1077
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:43,760
Speaker 1: other places funeral processions had also been banned, not in Zamora,

1078
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 1: where mourners continued to pass through the narrow streets as

1079
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:48,640
Speaker 1: the din of the bells gave way to silence. Even

1080
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 1: in normal times, coffins, white ones for children were a

1081
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 1: luxury beyond the means of most. Now, Wood for coffins

1082
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 1: was hard for anyone to come by, and the bloated,

1083
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 1: blackened remains of the deceased were transported to their final

1084
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 1: resting place, draped own in a shroud. In an echo

1085
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 1: of the ritual burning of incense to purify the altar,

1086
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:06,120
Speaker 1: gunpowder was sprinkled in the streets and set a light,

1087
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:09,640
Speaker 1: and approaching funeral cortage could thus be perceived only dimly

1088
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:11,960
Speaker 1: through the choking black smoke, mixed at times with the

1089
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 1: fog that rose from the Duero. In those cool autumn days,

1090
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:17,360
Speaker 1: the town must have looked as if it were on fire.

1091
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:21,520
Speaker 1: When historian noted, h, yeah, it would have looked like

1092
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 1: the end of the fucking world, or like New York

1093
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:28,360
Speaker 1: Now maybe um so, just even like yeah. The inability

1094
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:32,520
Speaker 1: to like Bury, they're dead properly. Is just makes it

1095
01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:36,240
Speaker 1: such a fucking stark picture. It's pretty cool that in

1096
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 1: the space of a month our president has gone from

1097
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:40,960
Speaker 1: where we got fifteen cases and soon they'll be zero

1098
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 1: to now the government is having to buy a hundred

1099
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:48,400
Speaker 1: thousand extra bodybags from Canada. Pretty cool evolution for all

1100
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 1: this to take. Like, yeah, I mean I think like

1101
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:56,120
Speaker 1: maybe okay, I said a hundred thousand, maybe a little more. Uh,

1102
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:57,920
Speaker 1: And I don't know who I'm gonna blame, but I'm

1103
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 1: just gonna completely play a casual. It's really yeah. From

1104
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:07,400
Speaker 1: it's fine too, we're out of corpse bags, okay. Yeah.

1105
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:09,520
Speaker 1: So the town of Zamora had one of the highest

1106
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:11,520
Speaker 1: death rates in Spain, losing more than ten percent of

1107
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:15,120
Speaker 1: its population in the month of October alone. Um so

1108
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:19,240
Speaker 1: that's a bad October. Um. Now, this was nearly three

1109
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:21,680
Speaker 1: times the overall death rate in Spain at the time.

1110
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:24,560
Speaker 1: The Catholic Church and Zamora, working with for the Bishop,

1111
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 1: declared to this frightful toll to be God's vengeance. Quote,

1112
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:30,360
Speaker 1: the evil upon us might be a consequence of our

1113
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:32,760
Speaker 1: sins and lack of gratitude, and therefore the vengeance of

1114
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 1: eternal justice felt upon us. When the plague finally left

1115
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:39,000
Speaker 1: Zamora much depleted, the bishop cheered that he and his

1116
01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:42,840
Speaker 1: fellow faithful had saved the town by placating God's legitimate anger.

1117
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:45,840
Speaker 1: And the Bishop of Zamora probably counts as one of

1118
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:49,080
Speaker 1: the most deliberately and fatally irresponsible religious leaders of the

1119
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:52,120
Speaker 1: entire Spanish flu epidemic. And of course he suffered no

1120
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:56,160
Speaker 1: consequences as a result of this. Uh he did fine,

1121
01:01:56,440 --> 01:02:00,400
Speaker 1: So that's good. Wow, that's a good all that ship

1122
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:02,800
Speaker 1: And then yeah, he did find it to the end

1123
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:04,240
Speaker 1: of the movie. He made it to the end of

1124
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:07,000
Speaker 1: the movie. And he was far from alone in In fact,

1125
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:09,200
Speaker 1: I found a Pathos article that included just a bunch

1126
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:12,160
Speaker 1: of digitized newspaper assets. Uh. And they kind of like

1127
01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 1: trace different American Christian leaders who were just as hell

1128
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:18,160
Speaker 1: bent upon leading their followers into disasters. This is not

1129
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:21,680
Speaker 1: just a Catholic thing. Uh. In Buffalo, New York quote,

1130
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:24,160
Speaker 1: while local churches remained and closed in accordance with the

1131
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:27,920
Speaker 1: mayor's proclamation, several congregations, however, have arranged to conduct outdoor

1132
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:32,080
Speaker 1: services tomorrow. The Courier listed several open air masses in St. Paul's.

1133
01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:34,920
Speaker 1: The Episcopal Cathedral planned to worship in Shelton Square with

1134
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:38,000
Speaker 1: the assistance of its full choir. The service will largely

1135
01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:41,080
Speaker 1: consist of the singing of patriotic hymns and General Pershing's

1136
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:44,760
Speaker 1: message to the Churches of America will be read on Sunday,

1137
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 1: October thirteenth, nineteen eighteen. UH Dr W. S. Black, rector

1138
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:52,400
Speaker 1: of the Episcopal Church, wrote that he was angry to

1139
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:54,880
Speaker 1: walk through town and find the pool room in full

1140
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:57,919
Speaker 1: blast with an ample supply of patrons. So he goes

1141
01:02:57,920 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 1: through and he sees that like pools and bars are still,

1142
01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:01,960
Speaker 1: and so he was like, well, why should I keep

1143
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:05,160
Speaker 1: my fucking church closed if other businesses are opened? Uh

1144
01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:08,440
Speaker 1: He states, I believe in obeying the law of constituted authorities,

1145
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:10,200
Speaker 1: but I'm under pledged to the boys over there that

1146
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:12,800
Speaker 1: customary times of service, certain prayers must be said. So

1147
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:15,120
Speaker 1: he reopens his church in the middle of the plague,

1148
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:18,880
Speaker 1: and people start attending church again. In Indianapolis, Indiana, Tin

1149
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:22,560
Speaker 1: Black Apostolic Christians were arrested for attempting to worship despite

1150
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:24,120
Speaker 1: the fact that the Board of Health had told them

1151
01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:27,920
Speaker 1: not to quote from their local newspaper. When the seven

1152
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:30,040
Speaker 1: women and three men were taken to police headquarters, they

1153
01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:32,240
Speaker 1: began talking in the unknown tongue, and it was some

1154
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:34,680
Speaker 1: time before the turnkey and matron were able to learn

1155
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:37,640
Speaker 1: their names. So this sort of stuff happens all over

1156
01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:40,320
Speaker 1: the world as a result of the plague um and

1157
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:42,560
Speaker 1: science being what it was back then. It's impossible to

1158
01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:43,800
Speaker 1: say kind of how many of the dead and the

1159
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:46,600
Speaker 1: Spanish flew epidemic could trace their illness from an infection

1160
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:49,160
Speaker 1: they got in a church service that occurred after like

1161
01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:51,640
Speaker 1: things got closed down. We just weren't keeping good enough

1162
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:55,680
Speaker 1: track to do that. But thankfully, Miles, we have the

1163
01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:58,760
Speaker 1: coronavirus pandemic of to give us kind of a fun

1164
01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:02,360
Speaker 1: modern example for how virulent a single church service could be.

1165
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:04,800
Speaker 1: So that's that's gonna be fun. You would do that, Miles.

1166
01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:08,040
Speaker 1: You wanna talk about that? Oh, you got the numbers,

1167
01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:14,120
Speaker 1: sure deal, buddy. On February sixty South Korea had thirty

1168
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:17,080
Speaker 1: known cases of novel coronavirus. Almost all of the people

1169
01:04:17,120 --> 01:04:20,040
Speaker 1: infected had caught it from family or friends. On February eight,

1170
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:23,320
Speaker 1: only thirty nine people had tested positive. One of them

1171
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:25,560
Speaker 1: was a sixty one year old woman known as Patient

1172
01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:28,080
Speaker 1: thirty one. She came down ill and decided to go

1173
01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:31,080
Speaker 1: attend her church anyway, and her church was the shin

1174
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:34,880
Speaker 1: Honi Church of Jesus in Daigu. Two days after this,

1175
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:38,439
Speaker 1: on February hundred and four, South Koreans had the coronavirus.

1176
01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:41,600
Speaker 1: Fifteen of these confirmed cases were members of or were

1177
01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:44,920
Speaker 1: directly connected to the shin Shony church in some way.

1178
01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:48,120
Speaker 1: This woman attends the service while sick and knowing she's sick.

1179
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:52,439
Speaker 1: Two days later, there's fifteen cases connected to that church. Now,

1180
01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:56,000
Speaker 1: by March twenty, a month or so later, South Korea

1181
01:04:56,040 --> 01:04:59,320
Speaker 1: had more than nine thousand confirmed cases, and the shin

1182
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:03,520
Speaker 1: Shony Rich Cluster was responsible for five thousand and eighty

1183
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:06,080
Speaker 1: of them, making up more than half of the total

1184
01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:09,320
Speaker 1: cases in South Korea. All because of a single worshiper

1185
01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:11,439
Speaker 1: who had to get the Bible study when she was ill.

1186
01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:21,120
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so that's yeah, okay, yeah, it's it's cool,

1187
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:25,320
Speaker 1: and I don't know, it's it's the Yeah. The irony

1188
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:27,919
Speaker 1: of it all too is like, you know, people will

1189
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:30,880
Speaker 1: use religion as a thing that they're like in their mind,

1190
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:33,479
Speaker 1: they may think, I actually, if if I go to church,

1191
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:36,160
Speaker 1: I may feel better or something like that, but not

1192
01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:40,760
Speaker 1: actually being totally aware or considerate or whatever the reason

1193
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:43,760
Speaker 1: is of like what the risk is to other people

1194
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:47,960
Speaker 1: and even yourself from just going out there. It's cruel, Yeah,

1195
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:49,560
Speaker 1: and it it has a lot to do with the

1196
01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:51,800
Speaker 1: nature of the specific church, but also a lot of

1197
01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:54,280
Speaker 1: churches do kind of the same things as church does,

1198
01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:55,760
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna get into that in a second. I

1199
01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:57,320
Speaker 1: do want to note right now, since we started by

1200
01:05:57,320 --> 01:06:00,480
Speaker 1: talking about the Catholic Church, it took them too plagues,

1201
01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:03,200
Speaker 1: but I think they kind of got it right this time. Right.

1202
01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:05,640
Speaker 1: The Pope was pretty early on like we're fucking no,

1203
01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:08,000
Speaker 1: no, no no, no, none of this ship like state of funk.

1204
01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:13,080
Speaker 1: Hod this God understands like like we don't gotta be

1205
01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:16,840
Speaker 1: all dipping the same Like no, um yeah, He's like,

1206
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:19,320
Speaker 1: because I got if we were, if we get rid

1207
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:20,960
Speaker 1: of all the good ones, now, I don't know what

1208
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:23,600
Speaker 1: the funk we're going to be left with. So the

1209
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:27,920
Speaker 1: Catholic Church at least broadly got there. So the third

1210
01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:31,360
Speaker 1: plague is a charm, is what I'm saying. Mm hmm, yeah,

1211
01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:35,320
Speaker 1: we really makes sense. Like American Christian churches only have

1212
01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:38,160
Speaker 1: one other plague, Like the next plague that comes around,

1213
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:43,960
Speaker 1: we'll get it, right, I think, yeah, if we follow,

1214
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:47,040
Speaker 1: we'll see, We'll see. I'm really very excited for the

1215
01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:49,480
Speaker 1: next plague, Miles, you know, I mean a lot. I

1216
01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:51,400
Speaker 1: think that's really what we're gonna learn. He's like, all right,

1217
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:54,840
Speaker 1: fourth plagues the charm. I think I'm hoping third plague

1218
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:56,920
Speaker 1: is the charm. But we'll see, they'll keep you in

1219
01:06:57,000 --> 01:07:00,240
Speaker 1: more plagues, so we'll you'll be like, oh, look, there's

1220
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:02,720
Speaker 1: the only thing to learn from this is third plagues

1221
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:08,760
Speaker 1: the charm. Yeah, that's what it takes, is three. So

1222
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:11,080
Speaker 1: I do want to talk about some peculiarities of the

1223
01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:14,480
Speaker 1: Shinshone Church of Jesus that explained why five they got

1224
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:18,280
Speaker 1: five thousand people are more sick um. Yeah, so the

1225
01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:21,919
Speaker 1: Washington Post notes, quote, Unlike other churches, Shinshony makes its

1226
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:24,480
Speaker 1: members sit on the floor tightly together during services and

1227
01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:27,160
Speaker 1: neat military like ranks and file, says Lee hoo Yahn,

1228
01:07:27,160 --> 01:07:29,200
Speaker 1: who left the church in two thousand and fifteen. We

1229
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:31,320
Speaker 1: were not supposed to have anything on our faces like

1230
01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:34,000
Speaker 1: glasses or masks. We were traded to sing our hymns

1231
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:35,920
Speaker 1: loudly and of course, in Korea, as in a lot

1232
01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:38,480
Speaker 1: of parts of Asia, wearing kind of face mask is

1233
01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:41,160
Speaker 1: a lot more common. Um. You know, it's just like

1234
01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:44,600
Speaker 1: a thing people did more often in regular daily life. Uh.

1235
01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:47,240
Speaker 1: And the church had a specific prescription against that because

1236
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:50,200
Speaker 1: they wanted to bring people together, which also in a

1237
01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:53,720
Speaker 1: time of illness, gets them sick together. Um. That doesn't

1238
01:07:53,720 --> 01:07:56,320
Speaker 1: even make I mean, because in Asian culture, when you

1239
01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:58,920
Speaker 1: wear it, you notes to be considerate of other people.

1240
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:01,200
Speaker 1: It's not because like I'm this because it's like wearing

1241
01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:04,840
Speaker 1: a hood, but you're also Christianity in particular in a

1242
01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:07,360
Speaker 1: lot of parts like in Korea, also, it has like

1243
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:10,400
Speaker 1: this kind of very powerfully um anti not I mean

1244
01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:12,920
Speaker 1: anti authoritarian might be the wrong word, but like anti

1245
01:08:13,040 --> 01:08:16,679
Speaker 1: um countercultural thing, right, because Christianity is not as common

1246
01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:18,200
Speaker 1: in that part of the world. And I think this

1247
01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:20,240
Speaker 1: it's from what I'm reading this, it seems like that's

1248
01:08:20,240 --> 01:08:22,200
Speaker 1: a part of this is that they're they're like because

1249
01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:25,000
Speaker 1: they're like, yeah, that's what they would do. Yeah, we're

1250
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:28,360
Speaker 1: trying to be connected and see each other's faces. Yeah,

1251
01:08:28,360 --> 01:08:31,280
Speaker 1: and miss Lee this this former member UM, who was

1252
01:08:31,320 --> 01:08:33,479
Speaker 1: interviewed by The Post, stated we were taught not to

1253
01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:35,400
Speaker 1: be afraid of illness. We were taught not to care

1254
01:08:35,400 --> 01:08:38,599
Speaker 1: about such worldly things like jobs, ambition, or passion. Everything

1255
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:41,760
Speaker 1: was focused on proselytizing, even when we were sick. So

1256
01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:43,880
Speaker 1: if you're sick and you're proselytizing, obviously you're going to

1257
01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:45,639
Speaker 1: spread it more. So that's and that's how a lot

1258
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:48,479
Speaker 1: that's why half of the cases in Korea, you know

1259
01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:52,040
Speaker 1: a month later, are from this church clusters, because a

1260
01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:54,040
Speaker 1: lot of these people are going up ministering to people

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Speaker 1: while they're contagious. Um. And yeah, it's it's it's bummer. Um. Now,

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Speaker 1: it's also not unique to South Korea. UM. I think

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Speaker 1: at this point we all remember that Louisiana pastor who

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Speaker 1: defied the governor's order to not hold gatherings larger than

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Speaker 1: fifty people and like repeatedly held gatherings, Pastor Tony spell Um.

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Speaker 1: And he actually made the same justification. One of those

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Speaker 1: guys from nineteen eighteen made uh. He stated, he told CNN,

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Speaker 1: if we close every door in the city, then I

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Speaker 1: will close my doors. But you can't say the retailers

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Speaker 1: are essential, but the church is not. That is a

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Speaker 1: persecution of the faith. Um. So that's a hundred two

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Speaker 1: years later you got the same basic line of reasoning.

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Speaker 1: Spell also believes that the pandemic is like politically motivated. Uh.

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Speaker 1: There's another evangelical pastor, Rodney Howard Brown of Florida's Tampa

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Speaker 1: Bay Church, who called people pansies for being scared of

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Speaker 1: the coronavirus. In yeah, he said his church would only

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Speaker 1: close its doors when the rapture is taking place. Um, yeah,

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Speaker 1: continuing to bust people in. I think this is the

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Speaker 1: guy who got arrested. Later, there's at least one church

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Speaker 1: you like, and it was like a kind of a

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01:09:58,240 --> 01:10:00,280
Speaker 1: show arrest, like he got he was in an out

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Speaker 1: a little bit. I don't think it's gonna do anything

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Speaker 1: to him. Um. But the scariest thing to me. So

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Speaker 1: you can find many, many stories, And if I had

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Speaker 1: a little more time, I probably would have collected a

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Speaker 1: longer list of different shitty individual churches and the things

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Speaker 1: they've said. But we're all familiar with a lot of

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Speaker 1: religious leaders have said horrible, stupid things about it. You

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Speaker 1: can't get it if you pray or you know, my

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Speaker 1: church isn't gonna Jesus will protect you. All these things

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Speaker 1: that will lead people to take risks, or they'll just

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01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:30,000
Speaker 1: be like, you know what, I'm gonna command God right

1293
01:10:30,040 --> 01:10:35,640
Speaker 1: now to knock this off right now, Okay, but I

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Speaker 1: need about sixty tho more dollars to come in, and

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Speaker 1: then I'll fucking I'm gonna tell God. I'm telling you,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell him. I'm gonna say, fucking hey, God,

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Speaker 1: quit it. You want that safe. This is all a problem, obviously,

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Speaker 1: Each of these churches, these pastors, these people are are

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Speaker 1: problems that we all have to deal with as we

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Speaker 1: confront this virus. But I don't think that's not what

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Speaker 1: scares me the most. Um. What scares me the most

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Speaker 1: is what I read in a March fifteenth Washington Post article.

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Speaker 1: Without guidance from the top, Americans have been left to

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Speaker 1: figure out their own coronavirus solutions. It includes interviews with

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01:11:06,479 --> 01:11:08,080
Speaker 1: a number of pastors. I want to quote from that

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01:11:08,120 --> 01:11:11,640
Speaker 1: now because I find this terrifying in a totally different way.

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Speaker 1: In Arkansas, the Reverend Josh King met with pastors of

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Speaker 1: five other churches on Thursday to decide whether or not

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Speaker 1: to continue holding service. The religious beliefs told them that

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Speaker 1: meeting in person to worship each Sunday remained an essential

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01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:23,920
Speaker 1: part of their faith, and some of their members signed

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Speaker 1: on to Trump's claim that the media and the Democrats

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Speaker 1: were overblowing the danger posed by the virus. One pastor

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Speaker 1: said half of his church is ready to lick the

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Speaker 1: floor to prove there's no actual virus, said King and King,

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Speaker 1: I think it seems like at least he understands that

1317
01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:40,479
Speaker 1: it's a serious threat and real, and he took some

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Speaker 1: actions like to try to to to reduce, you know,

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01:11:43,080 --> 01:11:45,280
Speaker 1: the likelihood that dis congregation would get it. But he's

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01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:48,120
Speaker 1: posted pointon like I don't know how to deal with this,

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01:11:48,280 --> 01:11:50,679
Speaker 1: the fact that a huge and over my pastors, like yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're willing to like lick the fucking floor to prove

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01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:55,320
Speaker 1: that there's no virus. That scares me more than even

1324
01:11:55,360 --> 01:12:00,720
Speaker 1: the pastors pushing this stuff, Like how widespread this information

1325
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Speaker 1: is and how centralized it is. You know, I don't

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Speaker 1: know if it's also like just feel like I can

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01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:10,559
Speaker 1: grow out so hard that I won't get sick, Like, dude,

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Speaker 1: yeah you want to fucking see, Dude, how much I

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Speaker 1: believe bro, I'll lick this fucking floor. Dude, this coronavirus

1330
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Speaker 1: shit so Miles, that's the episode that I've got for

1331
01:12:21,200 --> 01:12:26,360
Speaker 1: you today. Oh boy, how are you feeling? Oh? I'm

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01:12:26,360 --> 01:12:30,040
Speaker 1: just just glad that I was raised in the house

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Speaker 1: that respects science. Yeah. I was raised in a house

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Speaker 1: that I thought respected science, uh until recently, until recently.

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Speaker 1: But you know that's a lesson for another time. Yeah,

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01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:57,840
Speaker 1: sorry to hear that. Um yep, so Miles, you want

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01:12:57,880 --> 01:13:02,360
Speaker 1: to plug anything, Yeah, I want to plug Daily Zeitgeist

1338
01:13:02,439 --> 01:13:06,679
Speaker 1: stand Fiance, which is that show I do with Sophia

1339
01:13:06,720 --> 01:13:10,679
Speaker 1: Alexandra who you've had on numerous times. We get high

1340
01:13:10,680 --> 01:13:13,680
Speaker 1: and watch Fiance. So if you want to escape and

1341
01:13:13,720 --> 01:13:19,559
Speaker 1: watch trash TV with us and be faded, come through. Yes,

1342
01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:25,559
Speaker 1: so do that. Um go, uh, find people who are

1343
01:13:25,560 --> 01:13:27,920
Speaker 1: bleeding and touch their blood to your eyes. Oh no, no,

1344
01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:30,519
Speaker 1: that's a bad thing. Sorry, I mixed up my my

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01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:34,120
Speaker 1: post it notes here. I'm so sorry. Not that. Um,

1346
01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:38,639
Speaker 1: stay in your houses and listen to podcasts exactly. Yeah.

1347
01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:43,080
Speaker 1: Um like our podcast, this podcast, which you can find

1348
01:13:43,160 --> 01:13:45,599
Speaker 1: wherever you found this episode of it. Just keep doing

1349
01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:53,679
Speaker 1: what you're doing. It's perfect. Um. That's the episode. Bye,

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Speaker 1: bye bye.