1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: Sexton Show Podcast. 3 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 2: Second hour of Play and Bock kicks off right now. 4 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:11,039 Speaker 2: We are joined by Julie Kelly. He has a substack 5 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 2: you could all check out Declassified Julie Kelly on substock 6 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 2: dot com. 7 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:17,479 Speaker 1: Julie, thanks for being here. 8 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 2: Are you at the courthouse today for the trial of 9 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 2: some j six defendants including the Proud Boys? 10 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: Tell us the latest. What's going on? 11 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 3: Hey guys, So I just left at ec Federal Courthouse 12 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 3: where the first sentencing one of five sentencings four members 13 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 3: of the Prowd Boys, for whom we're convicted of seditious 14 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 3: conspiracy by DC jury today Judge Tim Kelly, Trump appoint 15 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:48,879 Speaker 3: I think it's important to note sentence Joe Biggs to 16 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 3: seventeen years in prison for his convictions for seditious conspiracy, 17 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 3: obstruction of an official proceeding, et cetera. But what's more 18 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 3: important is a judge Kelly added, went along with Joe 19 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 3: Biden's DJ which is requesting terrorism enhancements for various crimes 20 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 3: related to January sixth, and what Tim Kelly did today, 21 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 3: he added tearing down part of a metal sense to 22 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 3: the list of federal terrorism crimes. This is what is 23 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 3: happening in Washington, d C. I can't believe what I'm seeing. 24 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 3: What I've seen in this courthouse this week, and I've 25 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 3: seen a lot already. But to codify Joe Biden's weaponization 26 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:37,679 Speaker 3: of dj criminalization of political protests. For someone like Joe Biggs, 27 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 3: who didn't attack a police officer, he didn't bring a 28 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:43,479 Speaker 3: weapon in. He was with a bunch of rowdy, proud 29 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 3: boys who went in and he walked inside the building twice, 30 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 3: didn't attack anyone, didn't vandalize anything inside the capital. But 31 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 3: because he and others were shaking part of the metal 32 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 3: fence outside the capital, Judge Kelly added the terror enhancement, 33 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 3: which put ten years added ten years to the base 34 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 3: of the sentencing guidelines. 35 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 2: Wait, Julie, Julie, can you can you just I'm sorry, 36 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 2: I just how can shaking offense be I mean I 37 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 2: dealt with cases that had terrorism enhancements and it was 38 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 2: usually like you know, bringing an explosive onto the trying 39 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 2: to bring it on the plane or something, right, it 40 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 2: was for terrorism purposes. How can shaking offense be terrorism? 41 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 4: Like? 42 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: What was the actual legal rationale there? 43 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 3: Well, because the people I think who originally created terrorism 44 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 3: laws thought that if they put something like destruction of 45 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 3: government property in the statute, that serious judges and serious 46 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 3: prosecutors would recognize that means exactly what you're saying, trying 47 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 3: to blow up a government building, you know, taking down 48 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 3: government assets, causing a mass casualty event. I actually listened 49 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 3: to an assistant US attorney from the DC US Attorney's 50 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 3: Office who was straining to compare a mass casualty event 51 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 3: someone shooting down an airliner, someone using a weapon of 52 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 3: mass destruction to what happened on January sixth, and the 53 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 3: shaking of a metal sense in order to connect the 54 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 3: two terrorism acts of terrorism Again, I'm sort of speechless 55 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 3: because I just left there. I was expecting Judge Kelly 56 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 3: to do that, but to hear them, you know, strain 57 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 3: to compare a mass casualty event like nine to eleven, 58 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:30,640 Speaker 3: which we know judges have done. They just did again 59 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 3: this week to four hours at the Capitol on January sixth. 60 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 3: It's crazy. 61 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 5: All right, Julie, you've been covering this, and give your 62 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 5: Twitter handle for everybody out there if they want to 63 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 5: follow you, because you've done a better job covering these 64 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 5: January six cases and the political persecution surrounding them than 65 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 5: anybody I think on the planet. What are your social 66 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 5: handles so people can follow you? 67 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 3: Thanks so much, so much Twitter is Julie underscore Kelly too. 68 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 3: I'm a true social also, Julie underscore Kelly. My substack, 69 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 3: as you said, is declassified. With Julie Kelly, I'm getting 70 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 3: a lot of transcripts and motions, as you guys know 71 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 3: and see. I get those and I post them so 72 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 3: people can read for themselves what the prosecutors and judges 73 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 3: are saying in these cases. And so that's where people 74 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:25,359 Speaker 3: can find me. And I'll be writing about not just 75 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 3: what happened in this hearing today, but you also had 76 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:30,840 Speaker 3: a Democrat Obama judge yesterday brand a sixty one year 77 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 3: old grandmother from Florida, a domestic terrorist, added, said that 78 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:38,720 Speaker 3: the terrorism enhancement was appropriate in her case. She was 79 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 3: in the capital for eighteen minutes, again, committed no violent crime, 80 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 3: didn't try to blow up a building, didn't try to 81 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 3: kill police officers. So they are, as I wrote in 82 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 3: my book, they're using January sixth to launch a war 83 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 3: on terror against all of us and that's precisely what 84 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 3: they're doing, and they're expanding it in scope and setting 85 00:04:57,800 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 3: a very dangerous precedent for the future. 86 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 5: Again, you've done a fabulous job covering all of this, 87 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 5: and I just want to make sure that everybody out 88 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 5: there understands they're elevating Grandma's to terrorists while simultaneously lowering 89 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 5: serious felony violent charges that are being prosecuted inside the 90 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:21,279 Speaker 5: Washington d C. Against almost everyone else. So it's not 91 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 5: just that they're like, if they were just aggressively prosecuting 92 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 5: every alleged violent felon, people might say, Okay, that's just 93 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 5: a hard edged prosecutor. They're actually tossing virtually every other 94 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:37,040 Speaker 5: serious felony charge that they can down to a misdemeanor 95 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 5: while trying to put Grandma's in prison for substantial time. Now, Julie, 96 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 5: I want to you've covered the Trump stuff very well, 97 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 5: You've predicted with us for years now on this show 98 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 5: exactly where we're headed. Can you contextualize for our audience 99 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 5: how outlandish it is for a March fourth trial date 100 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 5: to be given for Donald Trump relative to what the 101 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 5: usual amount of time people have had to prepare is 102 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:08,839 Speaker 5: for these January sixth cases. Based on all the ones 103 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:11,600 Speaker 5: that you have covered, I think a usual timeline is 104 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 5: eighteen to twenty four months. Suddenly Trump gets charged in 105 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 5: August and is supposed to be on trial by March. 106 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 1: There's no precedent for that, right There. 107 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:23,599 Speaker 3: Absolutely isn't, and I would direct people to my substeck. 108 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 3: I just also purchased and posted the entire transcript on 109 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 3: Monday's hearing. You have to read what Judge Tanya Chuckkin 110 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 3: was saying in court to justify her what they call 111 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:39,719 Speaker 3: rocket docket, her fast track for this case, among other things, 112 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 3: claiming that Donald Trump's attorneys, who he hadn't hired yet, 113 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:45,720 Speaker 3: should have been working on this case a year ago 114 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 3: when the government dj announced they hadn't paneled a grand 115 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 3: jury for January sixth. She also, by the way, compared 116 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:57,479 Speaker 3: January sixth to nine eleven. But the reason why it's consequential, 117 00:06:57,640 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 3: of course, and I go back to the Proud Boys case. 118 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 3: They are making this tie between what the government d 119 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 3: Jane and the and the judges are now calling an 120 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 3: active domestic terror, tying that to Donald Trump. So that 121 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 3: is and the reason why she wants to step ahead 122 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 3: of say what's happening in southern Florida. That trial is 123 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 3: scheduled from May tany Chuck and wants to butt in 124 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 3: and take over first and get the first federal indictment 125 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 3: because of course it's in Washington, DC. It's no brainer. 126 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 3: So I think that that's part of DJ and the 127 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 3: judges calculation is to get a quick hit, quick conviction 128 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 3: on these four accounts. But I still think there's going 129 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 3: to be more charges. The grand jury is still unpaneled 130 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 3: in Washington, DC for January sixth. This isn't over to 131 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 3: me by a long shot. So I wouldn't I fully 132 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 3: expect more charges from Jacksmith against Donald Trump. 133 00:07:56,040 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 2: Julie, which of these four criminal trial do you find 134 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 2: the most legally precarious for Trump at this stage? 135 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 3: You mean, post like the greatest risk to him. 136 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, in terms of prosecution or a conviction. 137 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, I'd have to go with the 138 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 3: January sixth election case hre in Washington DC. I mean, look, 139 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 3: DLJ has an almost near perfect conviction record. And to 140 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 3: your point about the trials, the average trial is about 141 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 3: fourteen months from arrest indictment to trial. The Proud Boys 142 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 3: trial was almost two years between original indictments they cut, 143 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 3: superseding it and dragging it out, adding charges and defendants. 144 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 3: But those men were starting to be arrested in January 145 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 3: and February, and they didn't go to trial till this 146 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 3: past January. So for her to suggest that seven months 147 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 3: that she's giving Donald Trump some sort of break is 148 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:55,680 Speaker 3: preposterous because that just is not the historical case with 149 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 3: January sixth trial. 150 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 1: Is there any way that this could be further? 151 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 2: I mean, I thought all long the judge that she 152 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 2: was going to do this gwent and I've been talking 153 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 2: with this that she wasn't going to try to let 154 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 2: them wait till after the election, because we all know 155 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 2: that the Democrats are afraid Trump might win and then 156 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 2: he'll just make the charges go away. The process to 157 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 2: extend it if it doesn't go through the judge, what 158 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 2: you'd have to have an appeals court that would hear 159 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 2: it and that they would make that determination. 160 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:23,559 Speaker 1: But is that likely? 161 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 2: I mean, basically, do you think the j six DC 162 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 2: trial looks now like it is going to happen before 163 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 2: the election. 164 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 3: I've always thought no, but seeing how Tanya Chuckkin has 165 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 3: conducted herself in these hearings, there is a possibility now 166 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 3: that maybe they won't add charges, that they're just going 167 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:47,079 Speaker 3: to go forward with these four counts obstruction and then 168 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 3: three conspiracy charges and you know, go from there. There's 169 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:54,719 Speaker 3: real pitfalls to that though. The obstruction count is now 170 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 3: pending before the Supreme Court, and if the Supreme Court 171 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 3: decides to take up the obstruction count and cospiracy to 172 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 3: obstruct that dj the Jacksmith charge Donald Trump with, if 173 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 3: they take that up at the end of October, I 174 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 3: think you're going to have to see some recalculation, recalibration 175 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 3: from Special Council Jack Smith. Those counts are not a 176 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 3: sure thing. So that's why I still think that they 177 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 3: might add counts that if he does go to trial. 178 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 3: To say, he does go to trial in March, you 179 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 3: get a quick conviction right a month later. Then his 180 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 3: sentencing hearing is say three months out from there, during 181 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 3: the summer of twenty twenty four. You can't appeal until 182 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 3: a sentence is handed down, So there's no way really 183 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 3: to appeal his conviction until your sentence. That's the usual 184 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 3: way how it goes in federal court. Now, there can 185 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 3: be some other appeal, you know, certainly motions that his 186 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 3: defense team are planning to file, not the least of 187 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:58,439 Speaker 3: which is selective prosecution and move to dismiss these counts. 188 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 3: But it doesn't, you know, not something kind of chuck 189 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:04,560 Speaker 3: him on her own. It's going to entertain Nope. So yes, 190 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:07,200 Speaker 3: if you're asking if it's feasible that this could go 191 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 3: to trial and he could be sentenced and I'm taken 192 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 3: into custody before November twenty twenty four with this case, yes, 193 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 3: if they don't. 194 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:16,839 Speaker 5: That's the question I wanted to ask you, Julie. You've 195 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:19,319 Speaker 5: been there for so for people out there who aren't 196 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 5: aware there would be a trial. Let's say the trial. 197 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:25,199 Speaker 5: Let's pretend that the government gets exactly what they want 198 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 5: now basically, which is this trial starts March fourth. Let's 199 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 5: say that it takes two months, which is I don't 200 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 5: think crazy to think it might take two months, and 201 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 5: let's say sometime in May. A jury that is not, 202 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 5: as you have pointed out, Julie Kelly, of Donald Trump's peers, 203 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 5: it's a ninety five percent or whatever it is, DC 204 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 5: jury that's likely to convict Trump on everything because they 205 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:52,079 Speaker 5: are died in the world Democrat activists right so then 206 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 5: they come back. Let's say that the conviction happens in May. 207 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 5: To your point, they come back and let's say it's 208 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 5: August and they enter in the official sentence. Have you 209 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 5: seen everybody taken out in handcuffs at that point. I'm 210 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 5: not familiar with what happens at the sentencing hearings, Like 211 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:13,959 Speaker 5: would would they then theoretically take Trump and try to 212 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 5: put him in prison in August or you know, September 213 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:21,320 Speaker 5: or something, a couple of months before an actual election 214 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:23,680 Speaker 5: with him as potentially the Republican nominee. 215 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 1: I'm just trying to play this out. 216 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 5: In the event that had happened, based on what you 217 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 5: have seen of these jan six cases so far, they 218 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:33,479 Speaker 5: could ask. 219 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:35,680 Speaker 3: The judge at that point when he is sentenced to 220 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 3: immediately take Donald Trump into custody. They could DJ and 221 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 3: Jacksoniss office definitely could ask for that. I've seen that done. 222 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 3: It just happened this week with the conviction of five 223 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:50,599 Speaker 3: pro lifers who are convicted by a DC Street of 224 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:54,560 Speaker 3: violating the Space Act, and the Clinton appointed judge took 225 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 3: remanded them into immediate custody before they as they were sentenced. 226 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 3: So yes, that could possibly happen. Again, I wouldn't put 227 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 3: anything past checks. 228 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 2: That is just they could give him all confinement too, 229 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 2: just to point that that's also a possibility, I believe. 230 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: So that was. 231 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 5: Crazy to think because I mean the Secret Service would 232 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 5: theoretically have to accompany Trump into any custody, right because they. 233 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:22,560 Speaker 2: Would shut down, they would shut down probably part of 234 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 2: a facility. And this is it sounds insane as we're 235 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 2: talking about this, but I think they'd have to shut 236 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 2: down a part of a facility and they would have 237 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:31,959 Speaker 2: to do perimeter security while he was in a cell. 238 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 1: But right, I mean, this is insane. 239 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 3: The Secret Service, I think they have a commeddy who 240 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 3: secret Service agents agents as well. So yes, but I 241 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 3: mean we're so far past, we have so crossed rubicon 242 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 3: here that anyone who thinks that that's too absurd, too outland, 243 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 3: just too unrealistic. Take it from me. After watching these 244 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 3: judges in line, prosecutors in action, there is nothing they 245 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 3: won't do to punish down Trump's supporters and ultimately get 246 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 3: at the big prize, which is Donald Trump himself. 247 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 2: Julie Kelly, everybody declassified on substack, subscribe to it. Julie 248 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 2: as always, thank you for the work you do. 249 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 1: We'll be talking to you again soon. 250 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 3: Thanks, guys, appreciate it. 251 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 2: Remember the scene in Goodfellas where he's like, whyse guys 252 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 2: do prison different? And he's like, slicing up the garlic 253 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 2: really thin so we can put it in the sauce. 254 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: So they had to be a little bit like that. 255 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 1: We got to talk more about this because I just 256 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 1: don't crazy. 257 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 5: I just don't think anybody has really thought through. I 258 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 5: wish I could curse on the air right now, because 259 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 5: there's so many different curse words to sum this up. 260 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 5: But it is so bonkers to even think about what 261 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 5: is currently taking place that I don't think anybody has 262 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 5: even played it out. 263 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 1: In their head. 264 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 2: Given that these are entirely Trump is facing entirely non 265 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 2: obviously nonviolent crimes, and he's he would be a first 266 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:00,160 Speaker 2: time offender, certainly after the first conviction, I think go 267 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 2: to the federal guidelines and given his age and not 268 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 2: even taking into account the fact that he's the former 269 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 2: president could be the future president. 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Clay Travis 294 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 1: and Buck Sexton. 295 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:30,479 Speaker 5: Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. 296 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: We have got a lot of topics going on right now. 297 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 5: But I just want to say this, the Trump charges, 298 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 5: I just I don't think Buck, and we need to 299 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 5: make people understand how crazy this is. I mean, we 300 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 5: are talking about the Secret Service having to take over 301 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 5: some element of a. 302 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 2: Wing of a federal correctional facility. Yes, in order to 303 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 2: make sure that nothing happens to Trump. They're not going 304 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 2: to let him get attacked in the breadline. 305 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 4: Right. 306 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 5: This is all bonkers, and I feel like some rational 307 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:16,919 Speaker 5: human even in the Biden White House, there has to 308 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 5: be somebody rational in the merrit Garland Department of Justice. 309 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:23,479 Speaker 5: There has to be somebody rational to point out that 310 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 5: we are going down a path that is not only unprecedented, 311 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:32,680 Speaker 5: but truly illogical in what it is going to require. 312 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 5: As crazy as it has been so far, Buck, you 313 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 5: ain't seen nothing yet. 314 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 2: Oh it's gonna get a lot crazier, folks, Strap in 315 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:41,920 Speaker 2: no question, look at what's coming. 316 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:42,880 Speaker 1: Look at these trials. 317 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:46,680 Speaker 2: I think Julie had said that the Jasik trial was 318 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 2: not happening, and I've been saying it is. I think 319 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:51,400 Speaker 2: that she now says it's very possible. 320 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:52,440 Speaker 1: She's not saying it will. 321 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 5: Be needs to the Supreme Court needs to step in 322 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 5: and say this isn't possible, right. I don't know if 323 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 5: they will. I don't know if they have the stones, 324 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:05,199 Speaker 5: so to speak, to do it, but they should. The 325 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 5: Bind administration stinks in so many ways. 326 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:09,399 Speaker 1: We all know this. 327 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:12,399 Speaker 2: They're not good, poor judgment, don't know what's going on, 328 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 2: and actually when they do know what's going on, they 329 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 2: making things worse. 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Welcome back for it's eight. 345 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:02,360 Speaker 1: Hundred two two two eight eight two. 346 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 2: A lot of people, a lot of VIPs write again, 347 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 2: a lot of folks all across the country. Well, actually no, 348 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:11,439 Speaker 2: mostly in Georgia, to be honest, writing in right now 349 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 2: about Georgia. And if you want to be a VIP subscribers, 350 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:17,120 Speaker 2: you can get the It's like the batphone, but it's 351 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 2: the Clay and Buck phone. But it's an email box. 352 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:21,360 Speaker 2: So my analogy is not great, but you get right 353 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:24,159 Speaker 2: to us with this. Go to Clayndbuck dot com. Become 354 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 2: a VIP subscriber. I will start with in the v 355 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:30,719 Speaker 2: We also got lines lit Clay. Well, we'll take some 356 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 2: of these, and I want to get to multiple people. 357 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 2: Sometimes we take we spend a little more time with 358 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:37,479 Speaker 2: the first call than we mean to, so some other 359 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 2: people don't get on. We'll try to move through it quickly. 360 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 2: On the quick side, we have VIP listener. Lisa writes 361 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:48,680 Speaker 2: in I agree that Trump needs to stop saying Georgia 362 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 2: was stolen. He needs to say there were irregularities and 363 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 2: we were looking into them. He loses if he keeps 364 00:19:56,520 --> 00:20:02,359 Speaker 2: saying it was stolen. I think VIP listener Lisa's assessment 365 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:05,640 Speaker 2: here is a stute. I think that is a student analysis, 366 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 2: which is that it should be about looking into the 367 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:10,439 Speaker 2: ways the system was rigged before. 368 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:13,879 Speaker 1: That's obviously what he is. 369 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 2: Going to be saying he did in a court when 370 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 2: this comes to court, which assuming it actually makes its 371 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:21,160 Speaker 2: way into the court, but beyond that, for the purposes 372 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 2: of winning the next election, it should just be on 373 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 2: talking about voter integrity in Georgia and what he's going 374 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:29,159 Speaker 2: to do as president for the people of Georgia. So 375 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 2: you're one hundred percent right. 376 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 5: I mean what Trump should say is Brian Kemp and 377 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:41,159 Speaker 5: Georgia Republicans did a really good job ensuring free and 378 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 5: fair elections with their new voting bill that they passed 379 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 5: in the wake of twenty twenty, and I expect to 380 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 5: win a landslide in Georgia as a result. 381 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:53,919 Speaker 1: He has to make up with the Georgia GOP. 382 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 5: Period, and some people out there don't understand that you 383 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 5: can simultaneously leave Trump is being unfairly treated with the 384 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 5: charges that are being brought against him and that they 385 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:07,120 Speaker 5: are in outrage, and that. 386 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 1: Also Trump is not Jesus. He is not perfect. 387 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 5: He sometimes makes poor decisions, and when a politician makes 388 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 5: poor decisions, he or she should be criticized for them. 389 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:21,120 Speaker 5: I think Trump is making poor decisions with the way 390 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:23,120 Speaker 5: that he is handling Georgia right now. By the way, 391 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 5: Melanie writes in, you guys are afraid to talk about 392 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 5: the election fraud. Triple exclamation points. It happened, triple exclamation points. 393 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 5: All of us MAGA people believe you're controlled. Triple exclamation points. 394 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 5: It's obvious to us. Triple exclamation points. Who would we 395 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:43,920 Speaker 5: be controlled by? 396 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:46,160 Speaker 1: I don't know, like who? 397 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:49,439 Speaker 5: Like I mean, okay, Melanie writes in and says that 398 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 5: you and me are controlled. Who is the puppet master 399 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 5: Melanie that is controlling Buck and me. 400 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:01,360 Speaker 2: To give Trump, whom we want to win in advice 401 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:04,440 Speaker 2: and messaging that we think would be helpful to that end. 402 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, but who is that a Soros conspiracy? Like someone 403 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 1: explained this one to me. I'm curious. 404 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 5: I'm just curious, Like who is the person controlling this? 405 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:13,640 Speaker 3: I mean? 406 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 5: And I'm kind of having fun with this. You don't 407 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 5: have to agree with anything Buck or myself says. I 408 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:24,639 Speaker 5: can say this one hundred percent honest. Our boss is 409 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 5: Julie Talbot. 410 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 1: Buck. 411 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 5: Has Julie ever in your time on air, ever told 412 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:34,400 Speaker 5: you what opinion you should or should not have on 413 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:35,880 Speaker 5: any issue under the sun. 414 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 2: I can say no, of course. Then I've never been 415 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 2: told what to say by anyone on radio ever, full stop. 416 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 1: Period. 417 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 5: Yes, I actually have written into when I sold out Kick, 418 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 5: just so you guys know when I sold out Kick. 419 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:51,880 Speaker 1: So, first of all, no one has ever told me what. 420 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 5: I can and cannot say on radio at any point 421 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,200 Speaker 5: in my entire career, going back to when I did 422 00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:00,959 Speaker 5: local sports talk radio in Nashville. That's a credit to 423 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,479 Speaker 5: all the people that I've worked for, and certainly on 424 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 5: television as well. But so you know, when I sold 425 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 5: out Kick, I so care about my ability to share 426 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 5: my opinions. That written into my contract is that I 427 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:19,119 Speaker 5: cannot be told what I can and cannot say. So 428 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:23,880 Speaker 5: the number one thing, and I'm fortunate now. I'm fortunate 429 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 5: now to have the resources that if I just wanted 430 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 5: to say, screw it, I'm off to travel around the world. 431 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 5: I'm not working anymore. I could do it. I never 432 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,719 Speaker 5: thought that I would be in that position. The only 433 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:41,159 Speaker 5: thing I care about is being able to say exactly 434 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 5: what I think. So, look, I understand people can agree 435 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 5: or disagree on a variety of different topics, but the 436 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 5: idea that anyone in our position would have somebody like 437 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,119 Speaker 5: puppet Master like, I don't even know who that person is. 438 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:57,400 Speaker 1: But I also don't understand. 439 00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,439 Speaker 2: I mean, we shouldn't spend too much time on this 440 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 2: because we got other callers and other things. 441 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:05,200 Speaker 1: But so, what's what's the what's the angle there? 442 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 2: Exactly by saying that we think it's better for Trump 443 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:13,119 Speaker 2: to focus on the election ahead of him and pitching 444 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 2: the people of Georgia on why he'd be a better 445 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 2: president than Biden and why the elections in Georgia have 446 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:24,680 Speaker 2: maybe improved, gotten tighter on the security, that's better messaging. 447 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 1: Why isn't that a good thing? 448 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 6: Is it? 449 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 2: Because we're all supposed to sit around and say that 450 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,640 Speaker 2: Trump won in twenty twenty as well? Is that that's 451 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 2: the that's the better path forward to win? I just 452 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 2: think that that's I mean, who does anyone like, why 453 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:38,920 Speaker 2: would someone believe that? 454 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 5: Well? 455 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,680 Speaker 2: Why does that help you win? The next election, Why 456 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,200 Speaker 2: does that help you win. I don't understand that if. 457 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:48,200 Speaker 5: You truly believe twenty twenty was stolen and that Trump 458 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 5: is the rightful president, why would twenty twenty four not be. 459 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 1: Stolen as well? 460 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:57,360 Speaker 5: Like it's a self defeating argument to argue I actually won. 461 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,240 Speaker 5: Well you're not in the White House. And if you 462 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:04,640 Speaker 5: believe that the election was rigged and Trump actually won 463 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:08,399 Speaker 5: in twenty twenty, I think the election was rigged. I 464 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,159 Speaker 5: don't think they changed votes in like dominion voting and 465 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 5: everything else. 466 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,359 Speaker 2: They just they just had We had emails coming in 467 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:17,680 Speaker 2: for people saying that Herschel loss because they cheated, even 468 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 2: after we said, well, these seven other Republicans all won, 469 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,359 Speaker 2: and people are now telling us well, Herschel only lost 470 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,119 Speaker 2: because they cheated because he's associated with Trump. 471 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:26,679 Speaker 1: So now we're in affair. 472 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 2: Now we're in a situation where it's only Trump and 473 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 2: people associated closely with Trump who lose. In Georgia, that's 474 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 2: the only cheating that happens. Still I'm talking about still 475 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:37,679 Speaker 2: forget about twenty twenty. Yeah, I don't believe people are 476 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:39,159 Speaker 2: entitled to all their opinions in all this. 477 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 1: I do not think that is a strong argument. 478 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 5: If you actually believe it, then why would it not 479 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 5: occur again? Like this is the ultimate self defeating aspect 480 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:49,479 Speaker 5: of it. 481 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 2: If they could, if they could steal it from Trump 482 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 2: and twenty in Georgia and steal it from just Herschel, 483 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 2: nobody else, and the Republicans are just Herschel, which I 484 00:25:58,000 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 2: don't even think Herschel has said that has happened. 485 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 1: I miss something. 486 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 2: I don't think Erneld the Herschel claims the election was stolen, 487 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 2: but anyway, they definitely could steal it again the next time. 488 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:09,159 Speaker 2: So what's the point, right, You're a statement about it 489 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 2: being self defeating. So we got to get ourselves that 490 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 2: it's not a winning mentality, Coach, It's not a winning mentality. 491 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 1: That's the problem, And I. 492 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:18,919 Speaker 2: Think it's a problem that we're going to continue to 493 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 2: have to deal with a little bit and look at 494 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:23,639 Speaker 2: because we got a lot of people listening in Georgia, 495 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 2: including people who probably voted for Kemp and aren't that 496 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 2: excited about Trump, and we're gonna be trying to tell 497 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 2: them how much better Trump is going to be than 498 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 2: the Democrat alternative. But we got to be able to 499 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:35,359 Speaker 2: convince them of that. 500 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,919 Speaker 5: You have to be Look, if you were just think 501 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 5: about it in a sports context. College football is kicking 502 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:46,880 Speaker 5: off tonight. I can't wait to watch Florida Utah. If 503 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 5: your coach walks in and says, the referees are going 504 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:56,200 Speaker 5: to change the rules against you, just like they did 505 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,639 Speaker 5: in the past game and as a result you really 506 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 5: want and but you can't win in the future, Like 507 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 5: that's the worst coach ever. In some ways, that's the 508 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 5: argument that Trump's trying to make. 509 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 2: Let's do Let's get a couple more of these Georgia 510 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 2: calls in when we come. We have Mark in Barnesville, Georgia, 511 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 2: and Mark, what have you got for us? 512 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 6: Hey, guys, I just want to say thank you for 513 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 6: let take my call. And I want to tell you 514 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 6: Rush will be proud of y'all. 515 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:25,399 Speaker 1: Well, you're very kind, sir, Thank you. 516 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,359 Speaker 6: Well. I listen to y'all every day I can, you know, 517 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 6: And I want to tell you I don't think that 518 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:38,119 Speaker 6: the votes that the tally of votes was. You know, 519 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 6: they can tally one hundred times if I'm gonna come 520 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 6: up with the same thing. But for us, for there'll 521 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,920 Speaker 6: be a pipe busted early in the day and they 522 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:52,880 Speaker 6: only have to shut everything down at night, and then 523 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,920 Speaker 6: Trump's wear ahead. And then the next morning we come 524 00:27:55,960 --> 00:28:00,400 Speaker 6: in and somehow Biden's way ahead, you know, so that 525 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,200 Speaker 6: that's big for us down here the night I get. 526 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 5: Look, Atlanta is thank you for the call. Atlanta is 527 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:10,680 Speaker 5: a mess. Here's the deal though, if you look at 528 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 5: the voting tallies, the voting tallies for Trump, and this 529 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 5: is important. In Atlanta, Philadelphia, Milwaukee, Pittsburgh, big urban areas 530 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 5: that typically provide lots of Democrat votes, they actually were 531 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 5: not very good for Democrats. 532 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 1: This is important. I haven't heard a lot of people 533 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 1: talk about this. 534 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 5: Milwaukee and Atlanta, for instance, didn't turn out in staggering 535 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 5: numbers in favor of Democrats. Trump lost, And again, this 536 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 5: is why I'm trying to win the election. You have 537 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 5: to look at the data. Trump lost because of suburban voters. 538 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 5: It wasn't because of inner city votes who did not 539 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 5: vote for him, correct and who very well may have 540 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 5: been voting for other Republicans. They split their ticket in 541 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 5: the Atlanta surrounding region, Cobb County, Gwenett County, all these areas, 542 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 5: and the same thing happened outside of Milwaukee, and the 543 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 5: same thing happened outside of Philadelphia, and the same thing 544 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 5: happened in Maricopa County. It's not inner city vote totals 545 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 5: that cost Trump the election. If you actually go look 546 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 5: at the numbers, they did not have a huge, let's 547 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 5: just say it, black turnout. Herschel didn't lose because way 548 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 5: more black voters turned up to support a Warnock. It's 549 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 5: because white, college educated suburban voters turned against him. And 550 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 5: just go look at the tallies. So I understand, Look, 551 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 5: are there going to be always suspicious things going on 552 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 5: with elections? Yes they are. There are three you know, 553 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 5: one hundred and fifty six million people who go vote. 554 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:00,959 Speaker 1: It's not a flaw this process. 555 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 5: But if you actually dial into the specifics and go 556 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 5: look at the scoreboard, so to speak, what you see 557 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 5: is Trump lost in twenty because of college educated suburban 558 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 5: voters who might otherwise have been voting Republican on their ticket, 559 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 5: not voting for him outside. 560 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 2: You're talking about as a function of the data and 561 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 2: the numbers the votes that were tallied. 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Appreciate all 605 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,840 Speaker 5: of you hanging out with us as we are rolling 606 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:35,600 Speaker 5: through the battlefield that is the twenty twenty four election 607 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 5: the primary season. Here is an important thing for all 608 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 5: of you to recognize. Every moment that all of you 609 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 5: spend talking about the charges being brought against Trump talking 610 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 5: about the legal machinations is let's be honest Democrats plan, 611 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 5: because every moment that is spent talking about trump legal 612 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 5: issues is time that is not spent talking about all 613 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:14,320 Speaker 5: of Joe Biden's failures. And this is my biggest concern 614 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:18,200 Speaker 5: as we gear up for twenty twenty four. If Trump 615 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 5: is the nominee, and it looks like Trump is going 616 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:25,000 Speaker 5: to be the nominee. If Trump is the nominee, all 617 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 5: of the talk he soaks up all of the oxygen, 618 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:33,480 Speaker 5: and there's way less time spent making the case about 619 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 5: how truly awful Joe Biden has been as a president. 620 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:43,440 Speaker 5: He has failed on every front. Democrats implicitly are acknowledging that, 621 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 5: because every time you try to have a conversation about 622 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 5: the border, or about crime, or about inflation, or about 623 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 5: biden Friagonomics, what do they immediately try to do shift 624 00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:00,800 Speaker 5: the story back to Trump. Every election should be buck, 625 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:05,360 Speaker 5: as you well know, a referendum on the incumbent, should 626 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 5: or should not the incumbent be given for more years. 627 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:13,680 Speaker 5: What the Democrats are clearly doing, and you have to 628 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:18,040 Speaker 5: recognize what their game plan is is they are bringing 629 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:23,040 Speaker 5: charges against Trump in New York in DC, in Georgia 630 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:26,000 Speaker 5: and in South Florida, so they don't have to defend 631 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 5: Joe Biden's record. 632 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:31,760 Speaker 2: They waited two years to bring all of these trials, 633 00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,920 Speaker 2: all these trials simultaneously. Are these charges, I should say simultaneously, 634 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,359 Speaker 2: these indictments. They waited two years for it. They could 635 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:45,279 Speaker 2: have waited longer, but they didn't. So what did they 636 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,120 Speaker 2: think was going to happen here? Well, what we're seeing 637 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 2: is a rally around Trump effect in the primary, which 638 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:55,279 Speaker 2: is very real, and then they're banking on this will 639 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,400 Speaker 2: make it doesn't Remember, it doesn't have to be impossible. 640 00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:58,799 Speaker 2: It's going to be a close election no matter what, 641 00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 2: but that this will make it, by the numbers even 642 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 2: more difficult for him to win. This has all been 643 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,920 Speaker 2: a calculation, and I think part of the problem that 644 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,200 Speaker 2: we have to address here is that the calculation is. 645 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,240 Speaker 2: You know, they are setting the terms for this battle 646 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:14,760 Speaker 2: right now. 647 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:16,120 Speaker 1: Yep. That is just a fact. 648 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:18,040 Speaker 2: So we can all sit here and we can tell 649 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,640 Speaker 2: ourselves things that make us feel little bit better, like, oh, 650 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,200 Speaker 2: you know, they're playing right into Trump's hands. No, they're 651 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,879 Speaker 2: the ones that are bringing these indictments. When they're bringing them, 652 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,080 Speaker 2: how they're bringing them and where they're bringing them, and 653 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:32,640 Speaker 2: they're doing it for obviously political purposes. So I think 654 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:34,480 Speaker 2: we need to see that they're the ones who are 655 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,080 Speaker 2: setting the schedule here right now, and we're the ones 656 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,120 Speaker 2: that have to adapt and find a way as a party, 657 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,640 Speaker 2: as a movement, as a voters, find. 658 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,400 Speaker 1: A way to deal with this. 659 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,719 Speaker 2: And remember, we're effectively powerless in a legal sense. I mean, 660 00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:50,719 Speaker 2: the voters are powerless. Trump can do things, and there's 661 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,799 Speaker 2: lawyers and some judges maybe, but the rest of it, 662 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,439 Speaker 2: we're watching it play out and they're largely so far 663 00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,560 Speaker 2: getting their way. So it's an uphill battle. 664 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:04,280 Speaker 5: James in Newport News, Virginia, a little bit of levity. 665 00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,439 Speaker 5: What you got for us, James, Heay claim Brook. 666 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:11,000 Speaker 4: I just wanted to tell you that politics sports seemed 667 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:16,799 Speaker 4: to be being similar to politics, and religion all seem 668 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:18,879 Speaker 4: to be blending in a little bit. If you saw 669 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:22,319 Speaker 4: your highest state playoff game last year against Georgia, you 670 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:26,040 Speaker 4: saw blatant cheating on the Georgia against the highest state. 671 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:30,120 Speaker 4: You saw Marvin Harrison Junior catch the touchdown and be 672 00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,560 Speaker 4: called and got cream for and they said it was targeting. 673 00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,160 Speaker 4: He didn't give him a touchdown, but he got hit 674 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:36,759 Speaker 4: in the head. He was out with a cogguction for 675 00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,720 Speaker 4: the rest of the game, and they in the highest 676 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:40,640 Speaker 4: he was already head. 677 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:44,600 Speaker 5: All right, thank you for the call, Ohio State, Van say, 678 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,920 Speaker 5: clearly there's cheating in Georgia. Did you not see the 679 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,200 Speaker 5: playoff game that the Georgia Bulldog stole against US? 680 00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,000 Speaker 1: Fuck? You have no idea what he's talking about. 681 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,400 Speaker 5: Marvin Harrison junior, may best player in college football, knocked 682 00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:58,040 Speaker 5: out of the game.