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Speaker 1: This is twenty four, a weekly highlight reel from the

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Speaker 1: Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show featuring all things election coverage.

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Speaker 2: Let's get started. Here are Clay and Bucks.

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Speaker 3: As we start to think about the July Republican Convention

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Speaker 3: and the August Democrat Convention. And we will be in

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Speaker 3: Milwaukee for the full week of the Republican Convention, by

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Speaker 3: the way, which I'm looking forward to. I think that

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Speaker 3: Jesse Kelly has already booked us for a night out

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Speaker 3: at Red Lobster in Milwaukee, which feels like it has

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Speaker 3: a epic potential.

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Speaker 4: I'm a little sad because that's going to be amazing,

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Speaker 4: but it won't be before the DNC convention, so I

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Speaker 4: can't sit there and lord it over you too, who

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Speaker 4: both believe that Biden still may be replaced, So at

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Speaker 4: that point I won't be able to make you buy

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Speaker 4: me the unlimited all you can eat Lobster Fest.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be fun. Okay, So you mentioned the debate.

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Speaker 3: This is the front page of the New York Times

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Speaker 3: today and the headline is TV networks to urge Biden

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Speaker 3: and Trump to debate, wading into a fraud topic. Opening

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Speaker 3: paragraph and again this is the New York Times front page.

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Speaker 2: In an unusual move.

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Speaker 3: The five major broadcast in cable news networks have prepared

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Speaker 3: a joint open letter that urges President Biden and former

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Speaker 3: President Trump to participate in a tell in televised debates

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Speaker 3: ahead of election Day. According to two people with direct

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Speaker 3: knowledge of their plans, the letter, endorsed by ABC, CBS, CNN, NBC,

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Speaker 3: and Fox News, thrust into public view a question that

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Speaker 3: swirled whether there will be presidential debates. I read that today,

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Speaker 3: Buck and I thought, oh, this is interesting. This is

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Speaker 3: basically a public threat to Joe Biden that, because Trump

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Speaker 3: has said he'll debate anytime, any place, anywhere, and has

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Speaker 3: been very consistent about that as it pertains to the

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Speaker 3: presidential debates, if they are going to give this level

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Speaker 3: of attention to whether the debates happen, this to me

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Speaker 3: feels like a bully tactic designed to force Joe Biden

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Speaker 3: into the debates. And the fact that they put it

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Speaker 3: on the front page of the New York Times and

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Speaker 3: that all five major news outlets across the political spectrum

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Speaker 3: are all signing on. They said they're trying to get

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Speaker 3: other news organizations to do it as well. It says

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Speaker 3: the letters not final. The networks are also seeking endorsements

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Speaker 3: from other leading national news organizations, including newspapers New York Times,

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Speaker 3: Washington Post, Wall Street Journal. I would think are all

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Speaker 3: being asked as well, So.

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Speaker 2: How do you read this?

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Speaker 3: I thought it was very interesting that again on the

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Speaker 3: front page this morning, as I'm drinking my Crocket coffee,

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Speaker 3: this is what I'm reading.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I would say that it's not surprising at all

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Speaker 4: that they would take this position because what is the

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Speaker 4: revenue associated with those debates work. I mean, there's there's

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Speaker 4: big money to be made for these in these presidential debates,

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Speaker 4: for those news networks. And it also I think I

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Speaker 4: think it goes a little bit to the anxiety quite

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Speaker 4: honestly that the cable news networks have that there uh

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Speaker 4: their relevant slash, their ability to set the political tone

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Speaker 4: and and be the go to place for political news,

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Speaker 4: well for news maybe in general, but for political news

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Speaker 4: more specifically, is you know, slipping away, slipping away faster

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Speaker 4: maybe than they had anticipated. In the era of digital

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Speaker 4: social media. I mean, I'm just gonna say, like I

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Speaker 4: think that X and truth social for example, are increasingly

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Speaker 4: places where people who are really going deep into the

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Speaker 4: news on a regular basis, are spending more and more

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Speaker 4: time just because it's so much faster, It's so much

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Speaker 4: more efficient than trying to watch long form cable cable

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Speaker 4: news commentary. And I think that the network have to

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Speaker 4: make this pitch because for money and also for relevance.

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Speaker 4: And I think that the worst fear that they have

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Speaker 4: that people feel very differently about cable news role or

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Speaker 4: the news networks role, right, ABC, NBCCBS. Then all of

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Speaker 4: a sudden, you have the presidential debates that are just

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Speaker 4: streamed on streaming platforms, and anyone can make money off

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Speaker 4: and off their platform based on.

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Speaker 5: The viewership that they get.

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Speaker 4: And isn't that kind of the way it should be? Actually,

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Speaker 4: the more you think about it, I think Republicans have

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Speaker 4: made huge mistakes for years by allowing these not so

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Speaker 4: stealthy commies to be the moderators from places like CNN

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Speaker 5: Why why go doin with that?

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Speaker 2: I agree?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think even didn't RNC give a debate

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Speaker 3: to the NBC for the Republican primary and then they

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Speaker 3: go fire Ron McDaniel as soon as she gets hired

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Speaker 3: which feels a little bit too frank, like a quid

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Speaker 3: pro quo, Oh, you give us a debate where we

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Speaker 3: can make tens of millions of dollars in theory, I

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Speaker 3: think the I don't know about you, Buck, but I

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Speaker 3: even think the idea that you should be able to

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Speaker 3: run commercials during debates feels a little bit dirty to me.

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Speaker 3: You ever, you ever get on and uh, but you

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Speaker 3: see what I'm saying that right, which is why we're

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Speaker 3: in the Internet era. Why not just have it streamed live?

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Speaker 3: I mean maybe they'll say the debate participants need like

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Speaker 3: have it for an hour. I think these guys are

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Speaker 3: plenty happy to talk for an hour. I mean they've

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Speaker 3: been talking their whole lives, Biden and Trump. Why why

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Speaker 3: should it be Also the favoritism that goes into this

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Speaker 3: others don't?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 4: And what it's really doling out. It's just money. I mean,

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Speaker 4: this is guaranteed eyeballs. It's just money to be able

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Speaker 4: to have a debate for your network. So and the

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Speaker 4: notion that there's some prestige that NBC News or that's

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Speaker 4: a joke, right, Look at NPR. It's a joke that

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Speaker 4: these places are journalistic entities that are honest brokers.

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Speaker 3: I think it should be like State of the Union,

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Speaker 3: where everybody covers it on all of the networks. And

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Speaker 3: I would argue if I were doing it, I would say,

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Speaker 3: and this would actually be I think really interesting. What

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Speaker 3: if each candidate got to pick the moderator to ask

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Speaker 3: the questions of the other candidate.

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Speaker 2: I think that would be super fair.

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Speaker 3: Like Trump gets to pick a it has to be

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Speaker 3: somebody who's employed by a news network, right, But if

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Speaker 3: Trump wants Sean Hannity to ask every question of Joe Biden,

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Speaker 3: and then let's say Joe Biden wants I don't know,

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Speaker 3: Rachel Maddow to ask every question of Donald Trump, I

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Speaker 3: actually think that would be incredibly riveting television because obviously

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Speaker 3: then they can end up talking cross talking about different topics.

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Speaker 3: But you then are balancing out the bias by letting

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Speaker 3: basically each guy pick the person who's going to interrogate

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Speaker 4: I can I just be the wet blanket here for

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Speaker 4: a second on all this though, because I just think

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Speaker 4: even though we're in such a media obsessed era, I

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Speaker 4: don't think that debates absent a total catastrophe. And I'm

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Speaker 4: not even sure what that would look like, other than

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Speaker 4: someone having a stroke on stage. Absent a total catastrophe,

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Speaker 4: I'm not sure the debates really do very much. I'm

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Speaker 4: not sure the debates I don't think the data shows

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Speaker 4: that they move. It's more for spectacle and entertainment than

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Speaker 4: it is for actually helping to determine the election.

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Speaker 5: I think that's the case for a while.

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Speaker 3: I would say that is generally the case, and I

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Speaker 3: agree with you that catastrophe could be a moving aspect.

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Speaker 3: I think it's uniquely maybe different with the ages of

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Speaker 3: had a situation where you could legitimately say I'm not

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Speaker 3: sure that at least one of the candidates, certainly Joe Biden,

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Speaker 3: is physically capable of finishing his term.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: How old was Reagan in eighty four, like seventy one

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Speaker 3: or something, seventy four whatever. His age was nowhere close

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Speaker 3: topic in eighty four and I think people wanted to

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Speaker 3: see Reagan how he did, but I think the Biden.

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Speaker 3: Now the challenge here is I think we saw it

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Speaker 3: with the State of the Union. They're gonna shoot him

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Speaker 3: up with every caffeine known demand, with every drug cocktail

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Speaker 3: think he's going in that two hour period. Now, they

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Speaker 3: may have to sleep, he may have to sleep twenty

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Speaker 3: straight hours after he does it, but they will shoot

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Speaker 3: him up with every pill imaginable to make him look

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Speaker 3: energetic and not lost with lethargy. Now here's the challenge,

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Speaker 3: And this is what I would say to Trump if

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Speaker 3: these debates happen. Just get him off his talking points.

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Speaker 3: Biden falls apart when he doesn't have a teleprompter to

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Speaker 3: might fall apart in the debates.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I'm just it's deja vu all over again,

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Speaker 4: which I know is a joke. Ever, people was like,

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Speaker 4: deja vu means I know it took French. It's a

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Speaker 4: jog quote, right, yes, But I remember that was the

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Speaker 4: theory back in twenty twenty, was that Biden when people

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Speaker 4: saw him on stage and then we didn't really have

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Speaker 4: And I still think Biden says no because to your point, Clay,

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Speaker 4: it's different because of the age factor than it has

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Speaker 4: ever been before. Reagan was seventy three years old back

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Speaker 4: in eighty four. Okay, so yeah, it's different because we're

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Speaker 4: talking about a whole step up right seventies to eighties,

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Speaker 5: And so that's one thing.

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Speaker 4: But I also believe that because the Biden narrative is

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Speaker 4: that Trump is a threat to democracy, they're going to

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Speaker 4: make the deplatforming argument or that you can't platform a

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Speaker 4: threat to democracy like Donald Trump.

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Speaker 5: I think you know that's.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're right on that.

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Speaker 3: I think when all the major news organizations are saying

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Speaker 3: they want a debate, that gets a harder argument to

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Speaker 3: That's what I would.

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Speaker 5: Don't you think they have to say that publicly?

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 4: They have to say that publicly. Do you really think

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Speaker 4: they're going to put a lot of pressure on him

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Speaker 4: If they think it's going to hurt Biden's numbers, that

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Speaker 4: to me would be the tell they have to put

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Speaker 4: this thing out of the New York Times. We want

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Speaker 4: him to debate behind closed doors. I'm sure they're like,

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Speaker 4: don't debate that, that lunatic, you know, I don't think.

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Speaker 2: I think it's an interesting question.

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Speaker 3: I think behind closed doors a lot of them may

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Speaker 3: be like, Biden's a disaster, We don't really care if

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Speaker 3: Trump wins.

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Speaker 5: Just something to think that Clay is really throwing some

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Speaker 5: bobs today.

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Speaker 2: Wow, No, I think that.

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Speaker 3: To me, I read that as this is pressure on Biden,

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Speaker 3: letting him know front page New York Times, we're not

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Speaker 3: carrying your water. If you try to argue, oh, I

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Speaker 3: can't afford to platform him if every news organization signs

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Speaker 4: Don't don't ever underestimate the willingness of the media to

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Speaker 4: carry water for a Democrat. I mean, I don't know

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Speaker 4: they have no integrity to protect. But maybe maybe you're right,

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Speaker 4: maybe they are gonna pres because there's money involved too,

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Speaker 4: and there's prestige involved.

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Speaker 4: I wrote, if you think there's anything that's too stupid

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Speaker 5: Aside the politicization just the weakest.

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Speaker 4: If you try to lock up anyone on this, I

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Speaker 3: I think the more it becomes likely that they're not

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Speaker 2: That's the direction that I see it going.

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Speaker 1: We're listening to twenty four the most important tier in

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Speaker 3: He's running for the Senate in Wisconsin. He could be

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Speaker 2: We'll find out. And he lives right now in Madison.

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Speaker 3: By the way, I think I'm gonna try to get

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Speaker 2: What do you think?

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Speaker 3: And when Alabama rolls into to your hometown of Madison,

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Speaker 6: It's gonna be Rocky Camp Randall is one of the

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Speaker 2: You're going to be all in on the Badgers.

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Speaker 6: That's gonna be tough, but there's no way I'm going

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Speaker 5: Hey, Eric, it's it's Buck.

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Speaker 4: Tell us why you're going to be able to beat

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Speaker 6: Look, Tammy Baldwin is a career politician, thirty eight years

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Speaker 3: What do you your race is not the same as

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Speaker 6: Yeah right, now, well let's back up. In twenty twenty,

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Speaker 6: Two thirds of more women, a third of mar college

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Speaker 6: talking to them. I'm telling you there's a major shift

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Speaker 6: going on there because these people had than hammered by

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Speaker 6: the inflation and the open borders and immigration and what's

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Speaker 6: happening there. I'm taught. I'm fighting in Madison. You know,

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Speaker 6: I was born there, raised there, had a business there

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Speaker 6: for twenty five years. You know, that is my home.

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Speaker 6: That's where I live, and I've given to more charities

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Speaker 6: than all but a handful of people in the Madison market.

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Speaker 6: So I'm going to compete there, but I'm going to

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Speaker 6: talk to everybody across the state because our country is

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Speaker 6: in trouble. Look, we're losing the American dream for far

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Speaker 6: too many people, and it's scary how much damage the

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Speaker 6: Left has done to our country in such a short

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Speaker 6: amount of time, and we have to take back this country.

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Speaker 4: We're speaking to Eric Hovedy. He's running for the US

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Speaker 4: Senate seat that is currently held by Tammy Baldwin and Wisconsin.

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Speaker 5: It's going to be a very important race. Just one

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Speaker 5: more for you.

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Speaker 2: Eric.

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Speaker 4: My understanding is, you know, when you think of Wisconsin

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Speaker 4: as a border state. Most people would think, well, yeah,

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Speaker 4: I guess you know Canada, But you are a border

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Speaker 4: state in more ways too, because there are people that

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Speaker 4: are being these illegal immigrants that are coming into the

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Speaker 4: country are being moved by the federal government into your state,

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Speaker 4: including into some small towns. Can you tell us what's

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Speaker 4: going on with that.

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Speaker 6: It's happening in small towns all over. I'll give you

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Speaker 6: an example. Whitewater, Wisconsin's a town of about thirteen thousand citizens.

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Speaker 6: They dropped a thousand illegal immigrants overnight there. So what's happened.

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Speaker 6: Where do you house these people? They don't have the

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Speaker 6: housing for them, so they're putting them all over the place.

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Speaker 6: Access to healthcare, This is a real crisis in our country.

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Speaker 6: People are struggling to get access to healthcare even before

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Speaker 6: this immigration wave, and now it's made it really acute.

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Speaker 6: It's blown up the Whitewater's budget, I mean almost immediately.

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Speaker 6: How does the city that now has to take care

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Speaker 6: of another thousand people that isn't generating revenue for them

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Speaker 6: any taxes. It's just a big got so their budgets

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Speaker 6: upside down literally immediately, where before their budget was in

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Speaker 6: a good position. But this is happening in small towns

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Speaker 6: all over. I was just talking to somebody who said

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Speaker 6: this was happening in another even smaller town in northern

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Speaker 6: Wisconsin where all these Nicaraguans came in. Nobody knows how

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Speaker 6: to speak to them. They don't where to put housing,

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Speaker 6: where do you get them into schools? You don't even

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Speaker 6: have the teachers to the school of them. So we've

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Speaker 6: got a crisis.

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Speaker 7: On our hand.

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Speaker 6: And you know the other thing, Wisconsin has been very impacted,

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Speaker 6: like all over our country about the fentanyl and opiate crisis.

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Speaker 6: You know, we lost to what is it, one hundred

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Speaker 6: and twelve thousand Americans last year to this crisis. Most

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Speaker 6: of them are young. It's the leading cause of death

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Speaker 6: for Americans between the ages of eighteen and forty five.

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Speaker 6: And all those drugs pour over our southern border. So

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Speaker 6: on every single level, this has been negative to our country,

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Speaker 6: to the people of Wisconsin, and it needs to be

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Speaker 6: shut down and stopped.

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Speaker 5: Eric Hovedy everybody, Eric, what's your website?

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Speaker 4: Because you're gonna need some help to beat Tammy Tammy Baldwin.

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Speaker 7: Eric E. R. C.

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Speaker 6: Hubbd ho V is in Victory. D isn't David E.

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Speaker 6: Is an Edward Ericovde dot Com. I appreciate anybody and

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Speaker 6: everybody's involvement, because look, we got to take back our country.

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Speaker 6: We got to save America. So thank you both of

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Speaker 6: you guys. It's great being on your show.

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Speaker 5: Thanks Eric, appreciate it you. We're gonna be rooting for

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Speaker 5: you and talking to you more as it gets closer.

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Speaker 1: If you're listening to twenty four the Year of Impact

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Speaker 1: with Clay and Buck, because.

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Speaker 3: I bet Sean Parnell I saw him share this, I

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Speaker 3: bet he's pretty fired up about it too.

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Speaker 2: Sean.

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Speaker 3: You've got a bunch of kids, and we're going to

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Speaker 3: talk about situation on the ground in Pennsylvania and what

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Speaker 3: needs to happen in order for Pennsylvania to go back

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Speaker 3: or red in twenty twenty four. But when you hear

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Speaker 3: Dawn Staley says she's fine with men identifying as women

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Speaker 3: playing women's basketball, do you find this as crazy as

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Speaker 3: I do? That it's almost impossible to believe that. You know,

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Speaker 3: we made a movie called Juwanna man like the whole

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Speaker 3: era of mocking this. South Park has obviously been on

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Speaker 3: the front edge of this, and now it's basically Democrat

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Speaker 3: Party orthodoxy that if you're a dude pretending to be

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Speaker 3: a woman, you should be able to be in women's sports.

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Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, I mean I was kind of blown away

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Speaker 7: by it. And I say this to somebody who has

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Speaker 7: three daughters who work their butt off every single day

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Speaker 7: committing themselves to a sport or whatever it is really

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Speaker 7: that they want to do, and when you let men

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Speaker 7: play women's sports, I mean, it's just I guess I

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Speaker 7: was to say, Clay, the Party of Science doesn't really

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Speaker 7: care about science because it's basic science that men are bigger, stronger,

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Speaker 7: faster than women. And ultimately, I look, it's a safety issue.

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Speaker 7: It's a safety issue, especially especially with how physical sports

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Speaker 7: can be. You sti't want to see anything happen to

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Speaker 7: a young girl that dedicated her life having her dreams

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Speaker 7: stolen by a man and then get hurt in the

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Speaker 7: process as well. It's it's just terrible all around.

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Speaker 4: Hey, Sean, I'm sure you saw the Wall Street Journal

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Speaker 4: piece now they're voting. Read a Pennsylvania fracking boom weighs

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Speaker 4: in on Biden's re election chances. It gets into some

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Speaker 4: of the data. Look, the biggest swing state by population

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Speaker 4: is Pennsylvania, so it's critical for twenty twenty four. I

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Speaker 4: can't foresee a future in which Trump wins Pennsylvania and

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Speaker 4: does not win the election, right, I mean, I feel

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Speaker 4: like it's if he wins Pennsylvania, chances are he's gonna

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Speaker 4: win everywhere else he needs to. But this, this piece

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Speaker 4: goes into how the Democrats anti fracking position has changed

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Speaker 4: some of the dynamics such that now, especially out of

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Speaker 4: the Pittsburgh area, Democrats are the party of like software

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Speaker 4: designers who live in the city, and the Republicans are

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Speaker 4: the guys who are working in the natural gas industry

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Speaker 4: and guys that are doing more sort of trade and

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Speaker 4: and you know, outside jobs.

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Speaker 5: What are you seeing.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's such a great point, and I think your

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Speaker 7: assessment is spot on. I mean, there is a take

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Speaker 7: a tectonic shift, paradigm shift happening politically in Pennsylvania. And

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Speaker 7: I say, this is somebody who comes from, you know,

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Speaker 7: a family of blue dog Union Democrats, pro life, pro

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Speaker 7: gun Democrats who in many cases now are more pro

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Speaker 7: Trump than some of my Republican family members. And here's

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Speaker 7: the deal, buck, Like, you can drive anywhere from my

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Speaker 7: house in western Pennsylvania forty five minutes in any direction,

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Speaker 7: and you will drive through two or three towns that

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Speaker 7: have been are completely direct old school coal or oil

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Speaker 7: manufacturing towns that have buttoned themselves up. And the truth

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Speaker 7: is is that Republicans and Democrats both betrayed the people

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Speaker 7: who lived in those towns for a very very very

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Speaker 7: long time. And so Trump comes along and all of

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Speaker 7: a sudden, all of these people have a voice again.

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Speaker 7: And ultimately, I think that this paradigm shift has brought

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Speaker 7: forth this incredible opportunity for Republicans where now we're the

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Speaker 7: party of the working class. Now we're the party of

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Speaker 7: the middle class, right, and you have the Democrats who

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Speaker 7: have now strangely become in my lifetime, the party of

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Speaker 7: you know, big tech oligarch's, Hollywood celebrities, Ivory Tower academics.

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Speaker 7: And in western Pennsylvania, I mean, this is this is

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Speaker 7: a heavily you know, it's a heavily Republican area. It's

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Speaker 7: the place where Republicans can do very, very very well.

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Speaker 7: But there are a lot of blue dog Democrats here again,

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Speaker 7: pro life price gun Democrats who are gonna vote for Trump.

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Speaker 7: And I just think there's an unbelievable opportunity for Republicans

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Speaker 7: in Pennsylvania, especially with Trump at the top of the ticket.

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Speaker 7: I mean, Pennsylvania is more than in play this time around.

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Speaker 7: There's there's no question.

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Speaker 3: About it that could play out, Sean Parnell with us

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Speaker 3: now not only in the national race. So I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: talk about here in a second, but also with Dave

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Speaker 3: McCormick trying to win back a Senate seat. I'm curious

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Speaker 3: how you would assess that Senate race and also what

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Speaker 3: the world's happened with with John Fetterman, who has has

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Speaker 3: really I mean it's like he went in for treatment

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Speaker 3: at at Walter Reed and came out in many respects

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Speaker 3: sounding like a Republican. Like what has happened there? Did

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Speaker 3: people miss attribute his political leanings? I mean, he regularly

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Speaker 3: says he's not woke, he's not a progressive, he's very

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Speaker 3: pro Israel. He's come out in favor of racking to

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Speaker 3: a certain degree. Also, I believe now believes the border

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Speaker 3: should be shut down.

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Speaker 2: What is going on there?

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Speaker 3: How would you assess the Senate in general, the race,

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Speaker 3: but also Fetterman.

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Speaker 7: Well, first of all, we'll talk Dave McCormick first. I

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Speaker 7: think he's the only person you know that Bob Casey

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Speaker 7: has run against that can and I think likely will

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Speaker 7: beat Bob Casey. I mean, Dave McCormick is a fundraising machine.

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Speaker 7: And whether or not you like money in politics or not,

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Speaker 7: the guy you need money to run effective races. I

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Speaker 7: always liken money and political races to bullets in your

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Speaker 7: gun and combat. Right, politics is just like war, just

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Speaker 7: without the bullets. And so you run out of bullets

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Speaker 7: on the battleground like you're done. You run out of

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Speaker 7: fundraising dollars when you're running a race, you're done. But

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Speaker 7: Dave McCormick has an ability to raise historic sums of money.

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Speaker 7: And if you look at Pennsylvania as it is today,

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Speaker 7: just by the numbers, just by voter registration numbers. Trump

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Speaker 7: won Pennsylvania in sixteen and by the way, he was

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Speaker 7: the first Republican to do it running for president since

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Speaker 7: Ronald Reagan. He won by a razor sin margin with

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Speaker 7: a voter registration Republican voter registration deficit the Democrats of

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Speaker 7: six hundred thousand plus. Now the Democrats only have a

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Speaker 7: three hundred and eighty plus thousand voter registration advantage, so

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Speaker 7: it's nearly cut in half. So the state is more

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Speaker 7: favorable than it's ever been and it's going to continue

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Speaker 7: to trend read every day that goes on. As far

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Speaker 7: as Spetterman is concerned, I have I have a theory

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Speaker 7: about this, and it's basically, for a long time in

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Speaker 7: Pennsylvania there has been one Republican and one Democrat at

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Speaker 7: the top of the ticket for Senate. The state has

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Speaker 7: always had a sense of moderation there. There's a phrase

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Speaker 7: of Pennsylvania tolerate neither neither too much virsue or too

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Speaker 7: much vice. And so from a political standpoint, the people

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Speaker 7: here in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania have always had kind

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Speaker 7: of like an even keel temperament in the Senate. Well,

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Speaker 7: this is the first time two Democrats have been at

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Speaker 7: the top of the ticket in the Senate in Pennsylvania

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Speaker 7: in over one hundred years. And so I see Fetterman's

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Speaker 7: moderation right as it pertains to Israel, fracking and everything else,

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Speaker 7: as a political strategy to draw fire away from Bob

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Speaker 7: Casey and give Pennsylvanians the state of the sort of

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Speaker 7: political homeostasis that they've always had at the top of

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Speaker 7: the ticket. And what you see is people were writing

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Speaker 7: all these stories about Fetterman, like, WHOA, what happened to

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Speaker 7: this guy? Look at him? He's so conservative now, but

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Speaker 7: nobody's really writing about Bob Casey. And I mean, and

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Speaker 7: I look at it like this, Clay. You know, John

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Speaker 7: Fetterman waves around in Israeli flag. But the fact is,

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Speaker 7: look at how he votes in the Senate. He voted

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Speaker 7: against a standalone a package for Israel in the Senate.

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Speaker 7: So if you were really so pro Israel, you would

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Speaker 7: certainly vote for that. I've known John Fetterman long time,

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Speaker 7: since he was mayor of Braddock. He has been a

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Speaker 7: free Palestine guy for as long as I've known him.

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Speaker 7: So it goes back to an old adage that I have, like,

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Speaker 7: don't listen to what democrats say, watch how they vote.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that makes a lot of sense. Actually, Sean,

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Speaker 4: thank you for putting that into context for us. By

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Speaker 4: the way, if you want to hear more of Sean Parnell,

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Speaker 4: he has the Sean Parnell Show podcast on the Clay

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Speaker 4: and Buck Network. Another reason for our wonderful radio listeners

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Speaker 4: to subscribe on the iHeartRadio app to the Clay and

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Speaker 4: Buck Network and Seawan Show will be there along with

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Speaker 4: Tudor Dixon. Carol Markowitz Sean, how does Trump win? You

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Speaker 4: know the Pennsylvania terrain politically as well as anybody. How

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Speaker 4: does Trump win in twenty twenty four?

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Speaker 7: Well, his path is going to be well, first of all,

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Speaker 7: again a state, it's more favorable than it's ever been.

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Speaker 7: But Trump has this ability and this is perhaps more

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Speaker 7: prominent in Pennsylvania than almost anywhere else, maybe Michigan as well.

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Speaker 7: But Trump has this ability to bring out this crazy

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Speaker 7: cross section of voters from everywhere, even first time people

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Speaker 7: that have really never voted before. A perfect example of

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Speaker 7: this is Erie County. It's largely it's a swing county

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Speaker 7: here in Pennsylvania in the northwest, but it's a Democrat county. Essentially,

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Speaker 7: they're more registered Democrats than Republicans. Trump won it in

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Speaker 7: twenty and sixteen with Trump off the ballot. In the

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Speaker 7: off cycle race in eighteen, the congressman who represents Erie

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Speaker 7: County lost it by almost twenty thousand votes. In twenty twenty,

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Speaker 7: Trump locked Erie County again by probably fifteen hundred votes.

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Speaker 7: So you get a sense of the turnout machine that

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Speaker 7: he is. And so when you add his ability to

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Speaker 7: turn out voters plus somebody like Dave McCormick on a ticket,

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Speaker 7: you kind of have a Trump Toomey vibe going there.

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Speaker 7: And by the way, those guys couldn't be more different.

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Speaker 7: I mean toom he voted to convict Trump and the Senate,

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Speaker 7: as we all remember. But you have this kind of

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Speaker 7: unbelievable synergy where Dave McCormick is going to play very,

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Speaker 7: very very well in the suburbs, and then you've got

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Speaker 7: Trump who's bringing out all these first time voters in

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Speaker 7: blue collar Democrats. Dave McCormick is going to benefit from that,

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Speaker 7: and my hope is that Trump benefits from some of

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Speaker 7: the suburban vote with McCormick as well. Add to that

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Speaker 7: that it is it's going to be what seems to

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Speaker 7: me a great Republican year with a terribly weak Democrat

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Speaker 7: candidate both at president and vice president. Somehow Kamala Harris

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Speaker 7: is less popular than Joe Biden. But look, there's a

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Speaker 7: ton of opportunity in Pennsylvania with a lot of synergy

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Speaker 7: on the ticket. And then you add to that a

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Speaker 7: mail in program that Republicans have never had before in

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Speaker 7: Pennsylvania that is at this point, very very very effective.

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Speaker 7: I like our chances.

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Speaker 3: That's where I wanted to hit for the last question

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Speaker 3: for you. The number one thing we hear when we

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Speaker 3: talk about Pennsylvania is they're going to steal it, because

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Speaker 3: I think a lot of people saw the way the

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Speaker 3: votes kept rolling in the changes that were made in

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty, the fact that Feederman and happened to Sean.

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Speaker 4: By the way, Sean was ahead going to bed and

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Speaker 4: then all of a sudden all the extra ballots came in.

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Speaker 5: Sean was what was the gap?

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Speaker 7: Oh, there was a thirteen thousand, But I mean, any

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Speaker 7: way you cut it, That's why every news outlet in

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Speaker 7: the country called the race for me, including MSNBC. Any

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Speaker 7: way you cut it mathematically, there's going to be a

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Speaker 7: thirteen thousand vote margin of victory. The race took over

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Speaker 7: a week, and the main issue was, even though like

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Speaker 7: I said, it took over a week to actually finish

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Speaker 7: the counting, was that you had a bunch of ballots

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Speaker 7: that were not signed, with no identification for first time

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Speaker 7: mail and voters, and unsupervised drop boxes. So that sort

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Speaker 7: of wittered away people's confidence in how we conduct elections here.

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Speaker 7: So things have gotten a little bit better in Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 7: But the truth is Republicans, especially in this state over

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Speaker 7: the last three cycles, have not done a good job

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Speaker 7: at voting an election infrastructure here in this state that

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Speaker 7: is required to win. Democrats, by contrast, have done well.

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Speaker 7: And just be clear for your audience people who are listening,

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Speaker 7: I don't like mail in ballots. I don't like our

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Speaker 7: system here. But the rules of the rules of engagement

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Speaker 7: are what they are until we win. You can't fix

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Speaker 7: things until we win. And so that has to be

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Speaker 7: the first priority. And what comes part and parcel with

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Speaker 7: that is building a system that will allow us to

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Speaker 7: do that, and so that that that operation is two.

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Speaker 7: It has to have two phases. Right, You have to

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Speaker 7: put a ton of dollars into registering low perpend You

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Speaker 7: have to register Republican voters. So you got to close

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Speaker 7: that registration gap and then focus on all the people

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Speaker 7: that Trump brings out, these low propensity voters that maybe

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Speaker 7: even vote for the first time in their life for

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Speaker 7: Trump and twenty or maybe even in sixteen, get them

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Speaker 7: on the permanent mail in vote so that in off

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Speaker 7: cycle races you can have that presidential level turnout. This

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Speaker 7: is why Republicans are be getting killed in Pennsylvania and

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Speaker 7: off cycle and off cycle or mid mid term elections

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Speaker 7: is because the Democrats basically set the bar really high

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Speaker 7: in twenty twenty. They got all these people on the

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Speaker 7: permanent mail in voting list, and Republicans are just like,

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Speaker 7: well I don't like mail in voting. Well, that ain't

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Speaker 7: gonna win elections. And so this time around we have

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Speaker 7: a program with millions and millions of dollars behind it.

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Speaker 7: This is some sort of quiet behemoth working in the

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Speaker 7: background of Pennsylvania to do just what I told you.

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Speaker 7: And so not only do we have all these great

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Speaker 7: things doing sener giella ticket, a great year, great environment,

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Speaker 7: we can come and president, we also have this program

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Speaker 7: where we're working to register voters and get them on

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Speaker 7: the permanent mail in list so that we can bolster

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Speaker 7: our chances in November. And like I said, I like

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Speaker 7: our chances.

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Speaker 4: Sean Parnell, everybody check out the Sean Parnell Show, which

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Speaker 4: is in the Clay and Buck podcast network.

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Speaker 5: Please subscribe. Sean.

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Speaker 7: Great to talk to you man, Thank you, Thanks Gleay,

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Speaker 7: Thanks Buck,