WEBVTT - Daredevil: Born Again Episode 4 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:04.040 Worrying. Today's episode Canad spoilers for the fourth episode of 0:00:04.120 --> 0:00:22.239 Daredevil Board again on Disney Plus. Hello, my name is 0:00:22.280 --> 0:00:25.720 jas Conception and I'm Rosey Night and welcome back to 0:00:25.880 --> 0:00:28.720 x ray Visions, a podcast where we dive Dee, the 0:00:28.880 --> 0:00:31.840 Dear famborite shows, movies, comics of pop culture. Coming to 0:00:31.880 --> 0:00:35.680 you from Myra podcast, where we're bringing you three episodes 0:00:35.720 --> 0:00:38.120 a week every Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday, plus news on 0:00:38.159 --> 0:00:38.840 the weekends. 0:00:39.400 --> 0:00:43.320 In today's episode Bread, we're talking about dead Evil bort 0:00:43.360 --> 0:00:46.800 a good episode one oh four Bread. How'd you feel 0:00:46.800 --> 0:00:47.279 about that? 0:00:47.880 --> 0:00:52.559 Bread? And a reminder that our book for this month 0:00:52.760 --> 0:00:55.640 is The Merchant and the Alchemist Gate, the first short 0:00:55.680 --> 0:01:00.560 story in Ted Chang's amazing short story collection Exhalations. Very 0:01:00.600 --> 0:01:02.080 happy to see how many of you have picked this 0:01:02.120 --> 0:01:05.080 one up, so find yourself a copy and read along 0:01:05.240 --> 0:01:08.200 before our episode on March twenty fifth. If you want 0:01:08.200 --> 0:01:10.280 to send us any questions, you can put them in 0:01:10.280 --> 0:01:13.920 the discord or email us official XRV pod at gmail 0:01:13.959 --> 0:01:14.720 dot com. 0:01:16.319 --> 0:01:22.639 We start with Hector's effects getting bagged up his white 0:01:22.640 --> 0:01:27.240 tiger suit his magic ambulance. Matt takes charge of the 0:01:27.280 --> 0:01:30.759 stuff and goes to the Emmy. He gets the cause 0:01:30.760 --> 0:01:33.800 of death, single gunshot went to the head. And then 0:01:34.000 --> 0:01:36.839 Hector's niece Angela shows up, and she is, of course 0:01:36.959 --> 0:01:41.400 very angry. She believes, and I think Matt believes us well, 0:01:41.560 --> 0:01:46.280 that this is a dirty cop operation. Understanding Matt, Yeah, 0:01:46.319 --> 0:01:50.040 that they were pissed they lost the case and so 0:01:50.080 --> 0:01:53.279 they took matters into their hands. That's certainly what she believes, 0:01:53.280 --> 0:01:57.160 and I think Matt thinks that's possible as well, considering 0:01:57.160 --> 0:02:00.640 that they did try to kill him, try to kill 0:02:00.680 --> 0:02:04.240 the witness recently. So Matt tells her, listen, I'll look 0:02:04.280 --> 0:02:04.640 into it. 0:02:04.760 --> 0:02:06.760 I was just gonna say, I do think it's interesting 0:02:06.960 --> 0:02:11.200 we properly meet Angela here in the comics. Angela does 0:02:11.240 --> 0:02:14.720 become the next generation of White Tiger. I would be 0:02:14.760 --> 0:02:16.720 interesting if we could see her in some kind of 0:02:16.720 --> 0:02:21.920 Young Avengers type situation in the comics that Alex Malieve 0:02:22.800 --> 0:02:25.799 Brian Michael benistetevil stuff that is definitely like a big 0:02:26.320 --> 0:02:30.240 influence on this From the late nineties, that is where 0:02:30.280 --> 0:02:33.359 she first appeared in issue fifty eight of volume two, 0:02:33.600 --> 0:02:37.120 she was much like sexier and a more classic kind 0:02:37.160 --> 0:02:41.359 of adult superhero. But I do think that there is 0:02:41.400 --> 0:02:44.800 an interesting connection here to other street level heroes because 0:02:44.840 --> 0:02:49.920 of the heroic legacy of kind of the White Tiger 0:02:50.280 --> 0:02:53.520 comes from Kunlun, and so I do think there's some 0:02:53.639 --> 0:02:57.880 kind of interesting connections here, and I would be very 0:02:58.800 --> 0:03:02.200 intrigued to see them at adapt this in a different 0:03:02.320 --> 0:03:04.079 way that does not rely on her being kind of 0:03:04.120 --> 0:03:07.080 a federal agent, and it's more about her youthfulness. Also, 0:03:07.080 --> 0:03:09.520 I did feel like when Matt was hugging her, he 0:03:09.600 --> 0:03:14.040 was kind of very much putting the suit and the 0:03:14.080 --> 0:03:16.560 magical amula and the bag near her. So maybe we'll 0:03:16.560 --> 0:03:19.080 see that, not in this season, but maybe maybe Dana 0:03:19.160 --> 0:03:21.560 was season two, maybe a future Marvel project. 0:03:22.160 --> 0:03:22.959 Yeah, cool to see. 0:03:23.000 --> 0:03:25.560 I'm happy to potentially see the legacy of White Tiger 0:03:25.600 --> 0:03:26.000 carry on. 0:03:26.880 --> 0:03:29.680 We see in a short scene right after his Muse, 0:03:30.080 --> 0:03:35.640 the series of Killer Muse carrying what is a victim, 0:03:35.920 --> 0:03:40.360 certainly a victim his leaders into the subway tunnels where 0:03:41.280 --> 0:03:45.760 the Muse will carry out his gast really work. Meanwhile, Dan, 0:03:47.000 --> 0:03:50.600 assistant assistant to the Mayor, Dan is just out partying 0:03:50.640 --> 0:03:53.680 with Bebe and at first you're like, why is beebe 0:03:53.800 --> 0:03:56.320 partying with this guy? And then you realize that Bebe 0:03:56.600 --> 0:03:58.640 is just pumping this guy for information. 0:03:58.720 --> 0:04:03.600 He is getting absolutely played on, like a whole different level. 0:04:04.040 --> 0:04:06.800 And throughout this kind of great sequence you really get 0:04:06.840 --> 0:04:10.920 to see how Boebe is kind of manipulating him for 0:04:11.040 --> 0:04:12.560 what she believes to be the bag. 0:04:12.560 --> 0:04:15.040 Right, so you know she's getting on him. You know, 0:04:15.160 --> 0:04:18.200 Dan's like, well, I can't I can't drink, I can't 0:04:18.200 --> 0:04:20.440 do ketymine tonight because I have to go. 0:04:21.440 --> 0:04:22.000 I have to go. 0:04:22.160 --> 0:04:24.280 I know I had a young writer on this ship. 0:04:24.760 --> 0:04:28.040 Kevin dropped like that was that was really guys. Let 0:04:28.120 --> 0:04:30.720 me just say Kennyman has been around. Kean has been 0:04:30.720 --> 0:04:32.000 around since the nineties. 0:04:32.120 --> 0:04:33.360 Like, K holes are a thing. 0:04:33.640 --> 0:04:34.800 K holes are real. 0:04:34.880 --> 0:04:37.360 If you were out in the streets in the nineties 0:04:37.360 --> 0:04:40.880 and two thousands K holes were there, you've been falling into. 0:04:41.160 --> 0:04:45.039 So bb is getting on him for what you know, 0:04:45.080 --> 0:04:47.039 you could be on the on call for the mayor 0:04:47.080 --> 0:04:50.719 at all hours. You have more people Wilson, Fisk and 0:04:50.800 --> 0:04:54.719 Dannis like, well, you don't understand. We've got this huge 0:04:54.760 --> 0:04:59.840 thing coming with the port. Wilson has this whole recycling center. 0:05:00.279 --> 0:05:04.400 He plans to take the city recycling in garbage over 0:05:04.520 --> 0:05:07.279 to the private sector and like make it more efficient. 0:05:07.279 --> 0:05:09.680 He's going to hire contractors. It's great idea. He's going 0:05:09.720 --> 0:05:12.360 to turn the port into this whole garbage recycling cent 0:05:12.880 --> 0:05:16.520 I think it's brilliant. And meanwhile Bbie is trying to 0:05:16.600 --> 0:05:19.239 keep Dan out so he can. 0:05:19.120 --> 0:05:22.360 Keep Yeah in fun. 0:05:23.040 --> 0:05:27.040 But Dan decides to leave. Matt gets a call from Kirsten. 0:05:27.200 --> 0:05:30.360 She tells him we've got your your next case. It's 0:05:30.600 --> 0:05:32.760 a gentleman by the name of Leroy Bradford. He was 0:05:32.800 --> 0:05:40.360 arrested for shoplifting some stuff from a local board data fiddle, faddle, 0:05:40.440 --> 0:05:45.520 and we're taking this pro bonum at therapy. Heather asks 0:05:45.640 --> 0:05:48.719 Fisk and Vanessa listen. I know this is tough, but 0:05:48.800 --> 0:05:50.279 I think it's time, and I think it's time to 0:05:50.320 --> 0:05:54.919 just discuss the affair with Adam and Fisk does not 0:05:55.040 --> 0:05:58.760 want to, but Vanessa is like, I've been waiting for 0:05:58.800 --> 0:06:01.400 this because, let me tell you, Adam's hands. He was 0:06:01.400 --> 0:06:04.839 an artist. He had these strong hands. 0:06:04.560 --> 0:06:08.760 It's creative way. I don't know why she's him up 0:06:08.839 --> 0:06:12.440 like that, like that was never gonna end well for you. 0:06:12.720 --> 0:06:14.839 Oh Adam, babe, he's. 0:06:14.720 --> 0:06:17.440 Such a talented artist. And Fisk is like me, I 0:06:17.560 --> 0:06:21.200 never thought about cheated Vanessa. Ever, by the way, I believe, 0:06:21.240 --> 0:06:24.520 I believe, I believe, I'm one hundred percent believe it. 0:06:24.560 --> 0:06:26.880 There's nobody more fable to his wife and the in 0:06:27.600 --> 0:06:28.360 fiction or. 0:06:28.360 --> 0:06:32.040 Reality that the world's biggest wife guy like, no question, 0:06:32.120 --> 0:06:32.960 one hundred million. 0:06:33.720 --> 0:06:36.039 And Vanessa, meanwhile, I was saying, well, whatever the case 0:06:36.080 --> 0:06:36.840 may be, you were not. 0:06:36.880 --> 0:06:39.599 Here, you were you left me, and that was the betrayal. 0:06:39.960 --> 0:06:43.240 Yes, you didn't know if you were dead. I don't 0:06:43.240 --> 0:06:45.680 know if you were alive. It was like no contact. 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:48.480 You were just off the face of the earth. And 0:06:48.520 --> 0:06:51.200 it reminded her of her dad, who was a traveling 0:06:51.279 --> 0:06:57.279 businessman habitually cheating on her mom. And Vanessa says, She's like, 0:06:58.200 --> 0:07:02.120 you know, I'm concerned that Wilson could hurt Adam, and 0:07:02.600 --> 0:07:08.000 Wilson then admits to having quote a dialogue, just a dialogue, 0:07:09.520 --> 0:07:13.920 dialogue with him, totally fine, just a conversation, no violence. 0:07:13.960 --> 0:07:16.400 He says, like, I'm not that guy anymore. And then 0:07:16.440 --> 0:07:18.840 after the session, Heather, picking up on the vibes I think, 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:24.880 very responsibly takes vanessa'side as like are you safe? Do 0:07:24.920 --> 0:07:26.360 you feel safe? For you fine? And she's like, no, 0:07:26.480 --> 0:07:27.040 I'm fine. 0:07:27.360 --> 0:07:29.040 Yeah, I like that. She is a web. 0:07:29.080 --> 0:07:32.000 Vanessa's like, look, the reason I had an affair is 0:07:32.040 --> 0:07:35.239 because there's many things that my husband would do, terrible things, 0:07:35.240 --> 0:07:36.880 extreme things, illegal things. 0:07:36.920 --> 0:07:39.320 And she's like, but and me, he just can't do it. 0:07:39.360 --> 0:07:44.800 I'm away wife. Guy like, it's not gonna happen, Heather. 0:07:45.200 --> 0:07:49.040 I appreciate your good parraprising hair, but I gotta say 0:07:49.440 --> 0:07:53.280 you're putting yourself in that cross hairs. Wilson Fisk is 0:07:53.280 --> 0:07:54.360 not gonna want to hear about that. 0:07:54.480 --> 0:07:55.040 I'm sorry. 0:07:57.720 --> 0:07:59.840 Let's go to Akick cat Break and then we'll be 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:17.960 right back after a word for Worces. Yeah, and we're 0:08:17.960 --> 0:08:21.960 Matt Matt at the police station meets his client, Leroy Bradford. 0:08:22.040 --> 0:08:24.520 Mister Bradford is not impressed with Matt. He does not. 0:08:24.800 --> 0:08:28.160 He's thinking, I got a blind lawyer. They gave me 0:08:28.200 --> 0:08:30.840 a bad lawyer. I can't believe this. He denies stealing 0:08:30.840 --> 0:08:33.839 the fiddle Fattle. Matt is like, there's a lot of evidence, 0:08:34.440 --> 0:08:37.840 and Bradford is like, well, I paid for it last week, 0:08:37.880 --> 0:08:40.120 and Matt's like, that's not how it works. There's a 0:08:40.240 --> 0:08:42.600 fun line here where Bradford's like, could it have been 0:08:42.600 --> 0:08:46.120 a scroll? And Matt is like no, and then Bradford's like, listen, 0:08:46.160 --> 0:08:50.199 I'm not taking a place, so you need to go actually. 0:08:49.840 --> 0:08:50.440 Do your job. 0:08:51.120 --> 0:08:54.040 So Matt mat, Yeah, Matt goes to the DA and 0:08:54.120 --> 0:08:57.240 turns on the I am handsome Matt Murdock charm dude. 0:08:57.480 --> 0:09:00.480 The way that women just fall for him in this 0:09:00.559 --> 0:09:02.640 show is maybe the most comics accurate thing. 0:09:02.720 --> 0:09:06.960 I love yes, because yes, very comic. 0:09:07.240 --> 0:09:11.280 In the comics, like women love Matt murdocc and yeah, 0:09:11.320 --> 0:09:15.040 he is literally like flirting with a woman trying to 0:09:15.080 --> 0:09:17.440 get which you know what, use your flirtation skills for 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:18.640 good whatever, But it. 0:09:18.640 --> 0:09:20.600 Is so funny this sequence. 0:09:20.640 --> 0:09:23.839 You're just like, Okay, I guess you are charming her. 0:09:24.000 --> 0:09:24.760 You're doing it. 0:09:25.400 --> 0:09:28.040 Yeah. He At one point he's like says something about 0:09:28.200 --> 0:09:31.680 he references dating life, and she's like, I think I'd 0:09:31.679 --> 0:09:33.520 like to know more, she says, or something like that. 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:37.600 He's like he's like, uh, you know, my other senses 0:09:37.640 --> 0:09:40.120 are heightened, and she's like, well, I would like to 0:09:40.160 --> 0:09:42.240 know that. And also he's like okay. 0:09:42.679 --> 0:09:45.480 He's like, you're gonna be harsh to me on Latvian 0:09:45.600 --> 0:09:49.200 Heritage Day, the day of your heritage, and she was 0:09:49.280 --> 0:09:50.240 like what how do you know? 0:09:50.360 --> 0:09:50.480 So? 0:09:50.559 --> 0:09:51.439 How do you know that? 0:09:51.520 --> 0:09:52.120 How do you know that? 0:09:52.200 --> 0:09:56.720 Also, fantastic exposition there for because later that will become 0:09:56.720 --> 0:09:57.360 a blot point. 0:09:57.400 --> 0:09:59.720 But yeah, just such a fun scene. And he does 0:09:59.720 --> 0:10:00.680 a good job charming. 0:10:01.320 --> 0:10:03.960 So he gets ten days served, not probation, but ten 0:10:04.040 --> 0:10:08.400 days served, which you know, I think all parties agreed 0:10:08.480 --> 0:10:09.600 like this is pretty good. 0:10:09.679 --> 0:10:11.920 It was meant to be thirty five days and then 0:10:12.000 --> 0:10:13.840 Matt got it down and really it would just be 0:10:13.880 --> 0:10:16.240 a few days, so it seems like wet time. 0:10:16.200 --> 0:10:19.280 Served with the current time served. He runs into dirty 0:10:19.280 --> 0:10:22.760 cock Powell and all but accuses Powell and friends of 0:10:22.840 --> 0:10:26.240 murdering murdering Hector Ayala, but Powell denies it, and Matt 0:10:26.240 --> 0:10:28.280 can tell from his heartbeat that he's telling the truth. 0:10:30.360 --> 0:10:34.080 Powell dirty cock Powell then threatens Matt with disbarment and 0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:37.199 a beating, and Matt says, okay, well the first one 0:10:37.240 --> 0:10:38.560 I don't think you can do. In the second one, 0:10:38.640 --> 0:10:39.080 bring more. 0:10:39.000 --> 0:10:42.440 Guys, dude, that's such a good line. When he was like, 0:10:42.800 --> 0:10:45.080 I guess you'll have to bring more than the last time, is. 0:10:45.080 --> 0:10:46.559 Like I beat the shower of two of you. 0:10:46.800 --> 0:10:49.880 WHOA Yeah, incredible obsessed I Love You got a red 0:10:49.880 --> 0:10:53.480 hook where Fisk is showing his team his plans for 0:10:53.520 --> 0:10:57.840 the privatization of the port. Fisk doesn't care about the 0:10:57.880 --> 0:11:00.440 red tape and all the city council stuff and all 0:11:00.480 --> 0:11:02.680 the okay is that they need to get He's just like, 0:11:02.760 --> 0:11:06.640 let's just do it. Sheila's like, well, shouldn't we think 0:11:06.679 --> 0:11:09.280 smaller because we've got this mob war that's like kind 0:11:09.280 --> 0:11:15.119 of brewing, and we need to start like a construction 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:20.400 project with some panels and some studies first to show 0:11:20.480 --> 0:11:23.880 that you're serious to the city, and we need to 0:11:23.920 --> 0:11:26.840 get this on the docket of the public advocate. And 0:11:26.880 --> 0:11:28.040 Fiscus like, okay, do it. 0:11:28.320 --> 0:11:31.120 Yeah, He's like, okay, it sounds realistic. Like I'm gonna 0:11:31.120 --> 0:11:31.880 wait for this show. 0:11:32.400 --> 0:11:36.320 Buck Cashman warns Fisk meanwhile that you know, Sheila's right 0:11:36.360 --> 0:11:38.679 about that mafia ward, it's going to be a problem. 0:11:39.120 --> 0:11:41.880 Leroy argues with Matt he's not happy about the ten days. 0:11:41.920 --> 0:11:45.600 He wants probation still, and Matt is like, listen, this 0:11:45.720 --> 0:11:48.080 is as good as it gets. And then Leroy goes 0:11:48.760 --> 0:11:53.440 on a impassioned monologue about just how difficult it is 0:11:53.480 --> 0:11:55.520 to be entangled in the legal system. And be poor, 0:11:55.520 --> 0:11:57.080 and Matt is like, Okay, you're right. Yeah. 0:11:57.120 --> 0:11:58.960 It was good because I like the way that Matt 0:11:59.120 --> 0:12:02.319 kind of Matt was still full of like the vim 0:12:02.440 --> 0:12:05.439 and vigor of charming a lady and getting it down, 0:12:05.640 --> 0:12:08.160 and to Matt it's just kind of paperwork. And then 0:12:08.200 --> 0:12:10.920 he has the pal interaction where he's feeling pretty good 0:12:11.160 --> 0:12:13.160 and then goes back to Leora and he's like, h 0:12:13.200 --> 0:12:16.320 shouldn't this be like a thank you counselor, and they 0:12:16.360 --> 0:12:18.440 were is like fuck you, Like I'm gonna tell. 0:12:18.320 --> 0:12:22.960 You like this is I'm actually eating some stealing. 0:12:22.640 --> 0:12:25.520 Some fucking fiddle battle. He's like, they cut my benefits off. 0:12:25.720 --> 0:12:28.200 I thought that was such a great sequence and I 0:12:28.280 --> 0:12:30.600 kind of loved how at the end Matt just had 0:12:30.600 --> 0:12:34.040 to be like, yep, you're right. And the kind of 0:12:34.080 --> 0:12:38.800 realization and recognition of what Matt can't do within the 0:12:39.000 --> 0:12:40.440 kind of system was really good. 0:12:41.360 --> 0:12:44.800 Fisk goes on his meat mayor Fisk Handshake tour to 0:12:45.000 --> 0:12:48.600 like local schools and then, as you mentioned, the Latvian 0:12:49.160 --> 0:12:52.760 the New York Latvian Association, where at every stop they're singing, 0:12:52.800 --> 0:12:55.800 we built this city to Wilson Fisk, and he is 0:12:55.840 --> 0:12:58.960 becoming more and more well, he's stream while the BB 0:12:59.160 --> 0:13:05.640 report dropped it's skating peace with uh you know, Intel 0:13:05.800 --> 0:13:11.320 sourced directly from assistant to the Mayor Dan about how 0:13:11.679 --> 0:13:15.680 Mayor Fisk plans to use tech companies to undercut the 0:13:15.760 --> 0:13:19.199 Department of Sanitation as as part of his plan for 0:13:19.240 --> 0:13:22.480 Red Hook. And this is the result again of Dan 0:13:22.640 --> 0:13:28.480 blabbing while on Kendeman and alcohol. Fisk is really really 0:13:28.520 --> 0:13:30.920 really pissed. There's an all hands meeting. Dan takes full 0:13:30.960 --> 0:13:33.560 responsibility and says, looks and I was drunk, I was 0:13:33.559 --> 0:13:36.640 in a k hole. Is like, maybe you shouldn't tell 0:13:36.679 --> 0:13:40.520 me about that part of it, and then he basically 0:13:40.600 --> 0:13:44.120 is like listen, I will do I am your loyal soldier. 0:13:44.200 --> 0:13:46.560 I will kiss your feet, I will do whatever it 0:13:46.720 --> 0:13:52.360 takes to make you happy. And then Wilson Fisk is like, well, okay, fine. 0:13:53.240 --> 0:13:55.440 Yeah, but he's like, boh, if you do it again, 0:13:55.480 --> 0:13:58.200 I'll kill you. But I will literally kill you. 0:13:58.240 --> 0:14:02.520 Also interesting evolution hip because Sheila and Fisk I definitely 0:14:02.720 --> 0:14:05.480 was not sure about her place in the Fisk administration, 0:14:05.840 --> 0:14:10.720 but because she takes responsibility and says, hey, whatever Dan did, like, 0:14:10.760 --> 0:14:12.840 blame it on me. It's not on him, like I'll 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:15.360 take the full Suddenly, Fisk is like, wait a minute. 0:14:15.440 --> 0:14:17.840 These are two people who I think I'm gonna have 0:14:17.920 --> 0:14:20.760 on my team and see how this goes. Also, I 0:14:20.840 --> 0:14:24.760 love that Phoebe's headline was just mad garbage and then 0:14:24.880 --> 0:14:29.560 he keeps it. He's like, maya garbage like garbage man 0:14:29.680 --> 0:14:32.680 like bb that she was catching it gone to his 0:14:32.760 --> 0:14:34.320 skim babe, like good job. 0:14:35.680 --> 0:14:38.520 At night. Matt goes to the site of Hector's murder 0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:42.400 and using his heightened senses, figures out where the shellcasing 0:14:42.920 --> 0:14:46.200 would have rolled and he finds it, and he finds 0:14:46.200 --> 0:14:49.160 that it's engraved with a Punisher logo. So Matt goes 0:14:49.200 --> 0:14:53.520 to see Frank at Frank's hideout, which Matt. I love 0:14:53.600 --> 0:14:55.400 that Matt knows where it is. 0:14:55.600 --> 0:14:59.160 Yeah, He's just like this motherfucker is like a Janita somewhere, 0:14:59.160 --> 0:15:00.600 and Matt's like, where he is. 0:15:00.680 --> 0:15:02.200 That's my pal, that's my friend. 0:15:02.320 --> 0:15:20.440 Let's go to a quick break and we've right back. Yeah, 0:15:20.480 --> 0:15:21.120 and we're back. 0:15:21.480 --> 0:15:25.240 So at the Punisher's hideout, which is like in the 0:15:25.320 --> 0:15:28.800 bowels of some buildings somewhere where I think you're right, 0:15:28.880 --> 0:15:32.920 he's either working at day job as a janitor or 0:15:34.240 --> 0:15:38.680 his is being hidden by janitarial staff or something. 0:15:38.480 --> 0:15:43.720 Because he's like a janet's jumpsuit. But also the place 0:15:43.800 --> 0:15:45.680 is just full of like AK forty seven. 0:15:45.840 --> 0:15:46.480 There's a gun. 0:15:46.600 --> 0:15:49.720 Everywhere, Like it's really like no one's like coming in 0:15:49.760 --> 0:15:52.160 and being like yea, yeah, this guy's the super nothing 0:15:52.240 --> 0:15:53.280 wrong here, like no. 0:15:53.360 --> 0:15:56.120 Yeah, nobody's like no, nobody's coming down there to be like, hey, 0:15:56.240 --> 0:16:00.360 my radiator is the work, like clearly because he's and 0:16:00.400 --> 0:16:03.080 it's not just the guns and the ammo, but he's 0:16:03.120 --> 0:16:06.120 got like a whole one wall is just like a 0:16:06.200 --> 0:16:09.760 board of like targets, like full of people like he's 0:16:09.800 --> 0:16:13.720 gonna kill yeah, And Matt and Frank pick up right 0:16:13.720 --> 0:16:17.560 where they left off from their previous interactions, arguing about, 0:16:18.000 --> 0:16:20.000 you know, in a philosophical way about the nature of 0:16:20.000 --> 0:16:22.200 the work they do. Man, it's like, you know, I 0:16:22.280 --> 0:16:24.800 kind of need your help, and the city in fact 0:16:24.800 --> 0:16:29.000 needs your help, Like couldn't you start doing more like 0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:31.560 crime fighting stuff? And Frank is like fuck that shit, 0:16:32.120 --> 0:16:35.600 And then he's like, by the way, have you seen this? 0:16:35.760 --> 0:16:37.640 And then he shows him the bullet casing. I love that. 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:39.560 Matt immediately knows it's not Frank. 0:16:39.360 --> 0:16:41.880 Yeah, I know, I thought that was really great where 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:44.720 it was like they already kind of had this recognition 0:16:44.800 --> 0:16:49.200 of these, you know, to quote them bullshit famboys. Yeah, 0:16:49.240 --> 0:16:52.680 like that's that's something that has been going on, exists, 0:16:52.840 --> 0:16:55.320 And both of them are awhere like it wasn't him, Like, 0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:56.760 that's not what Frank does. 0:16:57.240 --> 0:16:58.880 So Matt's like, you know some of those fan boys 0:16:58.920 --> 0:17:01.920 or cops, and Frank's like, okay, what's that. That's not 0:17:02.000 --> 0:17:06.439 my problem. Frank is completely uninterested in doing crime fighting stuff. 0:17:06.920 --> 0:17:08.880 And then he turns the tables. He says, like, why 0:17:08.920 --> 0:17:10.920 did you really come here? What's the real reason? I 0:17:11.000 --> 0:17:14.600 think you came here? Because you want permission from me 0:17:14.760 --> 0:17:17.000 the guy who actually kills the bad guys to kill 0:17:17.000 --> 0:17:21.560 the bad guy, the bad guy being Dexter Bullseye, who 0:17:21.680 --> 0:17:25.120 killed your good friend Foggy say his name? Why don't 0:17:25.119 --> 0:17:27.159 why can't you even talk about Foggy? Why you know, 0:17:27.160 --> 0:17:30.080 why are you not? Like? What about what about Fogster? 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:34.760 What his name name? 0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:40.080 Matt breaks down, gets very upset, punches Frank and then 0:17:40.320 --> 0:17:44.680 apologizes and he's like listen in a very an almost 0:17:44.720 --> 0:17:53.480 like frantic, tearful, emotional explosion, says Dax cat Life. He 0:17:53.560 --> 0:17:57.399 got multiple life terms. The system worked, but it's clear 0:17:57.480 --> 0:18:00.200 that like the way he's saying it, he doesn't even really. 0:18:00.160 --> 0:18:01.879 No, and he's like crying. 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:04.399 I thought this sequence was so good, and I had 0:18:04.480 --> 0:18:07.240 to say it builds on something that I think this 0:18:07.320 --> 0:18:12.800 show is doing immensely well, which is recognizing and accepting 0:18:13.160 --> 0:18:17.040 the past of the Netflix shows but not letting them 0:18:17.280 --> 0:18:21.080 overtake whatever this new kind of vision they have is. 0:18:21.240 --> 0:18:25.919 Because you know, obviously Foggy IRFP to that man, he's dead. Karen, 0:18:25.960 --> 0:18:28.320 we've barely seen her. She's in San Francisco now, and 0:18:28.359 --> 0:18:33.119 now we get this really great interaction between Matt and Frank, 0:18:33.240 --> 0:18:35.120 and you know what, we might never see Frank again 0:18:35.160 --> 0:18:35.720 this season. 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:38.639 You never know. And I kind of love. 0:18:39.320 --> 0:18:43.680 How self assured they are in making sure that if 0:18:43.680 --> 0:18:45.520 these people are here, it's not just for a cameo. 0:18:45.720 --> 0:18:47.840 It's part of this wider journey that Matt is on. 0:18:48.160 --> 0:18:51.720 And you know what, Frank's not wrong. Also, Matt kills 0:18:51.720 --> 0:18:52.600 people all the time. 0:18:52.680 --> 0:18:57.639 I'm sorry, I don't believe it traumatic, not canonically, but 0:18:57.720 --> 0:19:00.000 like in the show when we see the traumatic bris 0:19:00.160 --> 0:19:00.960 injuries he's given. 0:19:01.280 --> 0:19:03.480 For sure, but no, no, but I love this. 0:19:03.800 --> 0:19:06.560 I think it's the strongest part about the Punisher and 0:19:06.760 --> 0:19:09.760 dead evil stuff they set up before and it was great. 0:19:09.800 --> 0:19:12.639 And I think that this also, you know, in a 0:19:13.040 --> 0:19:17.800 writing kind of success, but also in the power of 0:19:18.080 --> 0:19:23.520 Charlie Cox's performance. This is directly throwing back to that 0:19:23.680 --> 0:19:28.119 moment where we see des get life and Matt looks 0:19:28.200 --> 0:19:31.240 like furious in the court room. It's almost because it's 0:19:31.240 --> 0:19:34.159 like it's not enough, you know, for him. So I 0:19:34.200 --> 0:19:35.480 think that that is going. 0:19:35.400 --> 0:19:38.280 To be a huge part of where we go from here. 0:19:39.040 --> 0:19:41.760 I also think to your previous point about like do 0:19:41.840 --> 0:19:43.679 this does this show have the chops? I think that 0:19:43.760 --> 0:19:49.399 this conversation shows that they continue to have the chops. 0:19:48.440 --> 0:19:55.280 The Punisher is it is a character because of his 0:19:55.440 --> 0:19:58.480 use of guns, because of the fact that his symbol 0:19:58.640 --> 0:20:02.160 in real life has been a opted by cops. Is 0:20:02.400 --> 0:20:06.840 complicated and I think the Netflix series was maybe not 0:20:06.960 --> 0:20:11.199 ready to deal with that reality, and this show is 0:20:11.280 --> 0:20:18.040 dealing with it in a very well rounded, clear eyed way, 0:20:18.040 --> 0:20:24.280 complex way that I think is really interesting. Like I 0:20:24.320 --> 0:20:28.280 could listen to these guys argue for the entire episode. 0:20:28.320 --> 0:20:31.040 I think this is I think it's a really interesting 0:20:31.080 --> 0:20:35.280 conversation about the nature of heroism in this world. That 0:20:35.560 --> 0:20:40.480 night over wine, Fisk tells Vanessa, whoa wait, we should 0:20:40.520 --> 0:20:41.159 get back together. 0:20:41.880 --> 0:20:42.520 We should do it. 0:20:43.040 --> 0:20:43.639 We should do it. 0:20:43.960 --> 0:20:48.000 I love I would never do anything to hurt. 0:20:49.040 --> 0:20:53.400 You specifically, but other people I would have many times. 0:20:53.760 --> 0:20:55.920 Has got me a big problem for us. Actually. 0:20:56.760 --> 0:21:00.360 Matt, meanwhile, having date night of his own, he comes 0:21:00.400 --> 0:21:02.720 home to find Heather is there. She was worried about 0:21:02.800 --> 0:21:05.679 him because he was out crime fighting or whatever, you know, 0:21:05.760 --> 0:21:09.560 like investigating and doing what he was. They have this 0:21:09.640 --> 0:21:14.879 wonderful again the writing really good, this wonderful, real, real 0:21:15.040 --> 0:21:18.760 feeling exchange where she's like, you know, it's I know 0:21:18.840 --> 0:21:22.639 that you can handle yourself, but also it's like, because 0:21:22.640 --> 0:21:25.000 you're blind, this other side of me comes out. It's like, 0:21:25.080 --> 0:21:28.320 weirdly that's protective. I'm not that person, but I worry about. 0:21:28.160 --> 0:21:30.400 You, and I like, I really like the moment where 0:21:30.400 --> 0:21:32.879 she's like, if you're just out doing your thing and 0:21:32.960 --> 0:21:34.639 I'm doing my thing, I'm not worried. 0:21:34.680 --> 0:21:36.160 But the moment I stay. 0:21:35.920 --> 0:21:39.480 Over and you don't come back, suddenly I'm like, wait, 0:21:39.560 --> 0:21:41.840 what happened? Did he walk into traffic? Like she says 0:21:41.880 --> 0:21:44.560 all this early silly stuff, but there's so much truth 0:21:44.720 --> 0:21:47.720 it feels real. I have to say, Look, it's kind 0:21:47.720 --> 0:21:52.040 of interesting to see, you know, a superhero show where 0:21:52.080 --> 0:21:55.000 the morals and the kind of relationships are often very 0:21:55.000 --> 0:21:58.679 black and white, very This is a very situation ship type. 0:21:59.320 --> 0:22:00.520 Yeah, being to a. 0:22:00.480 --> 0:22:03.600 Relationship where it's like this, you know, he's flotting with 0:22:03.640 --> 0:22:06.600 the other women. He is, you know, still probably got 0:22:06.640 --> 0:22:09.440