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Speaker 1: We start with Hector's effects getting bagged up his white
Speaker 1: tiger suit his magic ambulance. Matt takes charge of the
Speaker 1: stuff and goes to the Emmy. He gets the cause
Speaker 1: of death, single gunshot went to the head. And then
Speaker 1: Hector's niece Angela shows up, and she is, of course
Speaker 1: very angry. She believes, and I think Matt believes us well,
Speaker 1: that this is a dirty cop operation. Understanding Matt, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that they were pissed they lost the case and so
Speaker 1: they took matters into their hands. That's certainly what she believes,
Speaker 1: and I think Matt thinks that's possible as well, considering
Speaker 1: that they did try to kill him, try to kill
Speaker 1: the witness recently. So Matt tells her, listen, I'll look
Speaker 1: into it.
Speaker 3: I was just gonna say, I do think it's interesting
Speaker 3: we properly meet Angela here in the comics. Angela does
Speaker 3: become the next generation of White Tiger. I would be
Speaker 3: interesting if we could see her in some kind of
Speaker 3: Young Avengers type situation in the comics that Alex Malieve
Speaker 3: Brian Michael benistetevil stuff that is definitely like a big
Speaker 3: influence on this From the late nineties, that is where
Speaker 3: she first appeared in issue fifty eight of volume two,
Speaker 3: she was much like sexier and a more classic kind
Speaker 3: of adult superhero. But I do think that there is
Speaker 3: an interesting connection here to other street level heroes because
Speaker 3: of the heroic legacy of kind of the White Tiger
Speaker 3: comes from Kunlun, and so I do think there's some
Speaker 3: kind of interesting connections here, and I would be very
Speaker 3: intrigued to see them at adapt this in a different
Speaker 3: way that does not rely on her being kind of
Speaker 3: a federal agent, and it's more about her youthfulness. Also,
Speaker 3: I did feel like when Matt was hugging her, he
Speaker 3: was kind of very much putting the suit and the
Speaker 3: magical amula and the bag near her. So maybe we'll
Speaker 3: see that, not in this season, but maybe maybe Dana
Speaker 3: was season two, maybe a future Marvel project.
Speaker 2: Yeah, cool to see.
Speaker 3: I'm happy to potentially see the legacy of White Tiger
Speaker 3: carry on.
Speaker 1: We see in a short scene right after his Muse,
Speaker 1: the series of Killer Muse carrying what is a victim,
Speaker 1: certainly a victim his leaders into the subway tunnels where
Speaker 1: the Muse will carry out his gast really work. Meanwhile, Dan,
Speaker 1: assistant assistant to the Mayor, Dan is just out partying
Speaker 1: with Bebe and at first you're like, why is beebe
Speaker 1: partying with this guy? And then you realize that Bebe
Speaker 1: is just pumping this guy for information.
Speaker 3: He is getting absolutely played on, like a whole different level.
Speaker 3: And throughout this kind of great sequence you really get
Speaker 3: to see how Boebe is kind of manipulating him for
Speaker 3: what she believes to be the bag.
Speaker 1: Right, so you know she's getting on him. You know,
Speaker 1: Dan's like, well, I can't I can't drink, I can't
Speaker 1: do ketymine tonight because I have to go.
Speaker 2: I have to go.
Speaker 3: I know I had a young writer on this ship.
Speaker 3: Kevin dropped like that was that was really guys. Let
Speaker 3: me just say Kennyman has been around. Kean has been
Speaker 3: around since the nineties.
Speaker 1: Like, K holes are a thing.
Speaker 2: K holes are real.
Speaker 1: If you were out in the streets in the nineties
Speaker 1: and two thousands K holes were there, you've been falling into.
Speaker 1: So bb is getting on him for what you know,
Speaker 1: you could be on the on call for the mayor
Speaker 1: at all hours. You have more people Wilson, Fisk and
Speaker 1: Dannis like, well, you don't understand. We've got this huge
Speaker 1: thing coming with the port. Wilson has this whole recycling center.
Speaker 1: He plans to take the city recycling in garbage over
Speaker 1: to the private sector and like make it more efficient.
Speaker 1: He's going to hire contractors. It's great idea. He's going
Speaker 1: to turn the port into this whole garbage recycling cent
Speaker 1: I think it's brilliant. And meanwhile Bbie is trying to
Speaker 1: keep Dan out so he can.
Speaker 2: Keep Yeah in fun.
Speaker 1: But Dan decides to leave. Matt gets a call from Kirsten.
Speaker 1: She tells him we've got your your next case. It's
Speaker 1: a gentleman by the name of Leroy Bradford. He was
Speaker 1: arrested for shoplifting some stuff from a local board data fiddle, faddle,
Speaker 1: and we're taking this pro bonum at therapy. Heather asks
Speaker 1: Fisk and Vanessa listen. I know this is tough, but
Speaker 1: I think it's time, and I think it's time to
Speaker 1: just discuss the affair with Adam and Fisk does not
Speaker 1: want to, but Vanessa is like, I've been waiting for
Speaker 1: this because, let me tell you, Adam's hands. He was
Speaker 1: an artist. He had these strong hands.
Speaker 2: It's creative way. I don't know why she's him up
Speaker 2: like that, like that was never gonna end well for you.
Speaker 2: Oh Adam, babe, he's.
Speaker 1: Such a talented artist. And Fisk is like me, I
Speaker 1: never thought about cheated Vanessa. Ever, by the way, I believe,
Speaker 1: I believe, I believe, I'm one hundred percent believe it.
Speaker 2: There's nobody more fable to his wife and the in
Speaker 2: fiction or.
Speaker 3: Reality that the world's biggest wife guy like, no question,
Speaker 3: one hundred million.
Speaker 1: And Vanessa, meanwhile, I was saying, well, whatever the case
Speaker 1: may be, you were not.
Speaker 2: Here, you were you left me, and that was the betrayal.
Speaker 1: Yes, you didn't know if you were dead. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you were alive. It was like no contact.
Speaker 1: You were just off the face of the earth. And
Speaker 1: it reminded her of her dad, who was a traveling
Speaker 1: businessman habitually cheating on her mom. And Vanessa says, She's like,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm concerned that Wilson could hurt Adam, and
Speaker 1: Wilson then admits to having quote a dialogue, just a dialogue,
Speaker 1: dialogue with him, totally fine, just a conversation, no violence.
Speaker 1: He says, like, I'm not that guy anymore. And then
Speaker 1: after the session, Heather, picking up on the vibes I think,
Speaker 1: very responsibly takes vanessa'side as like are you safe? Do
Speaker 1: you feel safe? For you fine? And she's like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm fine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that. She is a web.
Speaker 3: Vanessa's like, look, the reason I had an affair is
Speaker 3: because there's many things that my husband would do, terrible things,
Speaker 3: extreme things, illegal things.
Speaker 2: And she's like, but and me, he just can't do it.
Speaker 3: I'm away wife. Guy like, it's not gonna happen, Heather.
Speaker 3: I appreciate your good parraprising hair, but I gotta say
Speaker 3: you're putting yourself in that cross hairs. Wilson Fisk is
Speaker 3: not gonna want to hear about that.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: Let's go to Akick cat Break and then we'll be
Speaker 1: right back after a word for Worces. Yeah, and we're
Speaker 1: Matt Matt at the police station meets his client, Leroy Bradford.
Speaker 1: Mister Bradford is not impressed with Matt. He does not.
Speaker 1: He's thinking, I got a blind lawyer. They gave me
Speaker 1: a bad lawyer. I can't believe this. He denies stealing
Speaker 1: the fiddle Fattle. Matt is like, there's a lot of evidence,
Speaker 1: and Bradford is like, well, I paid for it last week,
Speaker 1: and Matt's like, that's not how it works. There's a
Speaker 1: fun line here where Bradford's like, could it have been
Speaker 1: a scroll? And Matt is like no, and then Bradford's like, listen,
Speaker 1: I'm not taking a place, so you need to go actually.
Speaker 2: Do your job.
Speaker 1: So Matt mat, Yeah, Matt goes to the DA and
Speaker 1: turns on the I am handsome Matt Murdock charm dude.
Speaker 3: The way that women just fall for him in this
Speaker 3: show is maybe the most comics accurate thing.
Speaker 1: I love yes, because yes, very comic.
Speaker 4: In the comics, like women love Matt murdocc and yeah,
Speaker 4: he is literally like flirting with a woman trying to
Speaker 4: get which you know what, use your flirtation skills for
Speaker 4: good whatever, But it.
Speaker 2: Is so funny this sequence.
Speaker 3: You're just like, Okay, I guess you are charming her.
Speaker 2: You're doing it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. He At one point he's like says something about
Speaker 1: he references dating life, and she's like, I think I'd
Speaker 1: like to know more, she says, or something like that.
Speaker 2: He's like he's like, uh, you know, my other senses
Speaker 2: are heightened, and she's like, well, I would like to
Speaker 2: know that. And also he's like okay.
Speaker 3: He's like, you're gonna be harsh to me on Latvian
Speaker 3: Heritage Day, the day of your heritage, and she was
Speaker 3: like what how do you know?
Speaker 2: So?
Speaker 1: How do you know that?
Speaker 2: How do you know that?
Speaker 3: Also, fantastic exposition there for because later that will become
Speaker 3: a blot point.
Speaker 2: But yeah, just such a fun scene. And he does
Speaker 2: a good job charming.
Speaker 1: So he gets ten days served, not probation, but ten
Speaker 1: days served, which you know, I think all parties agreed
Speaker 1: like this is pretty good.
Speaker 3: It was meant to be thirty five days and then
Speaker 3: Matt got it down and really it would just be
Speaker 3: a few days, so it seems like wet time.
Speaker 1: Served with the current time served. He runs into dirty
Speaker 1: cock Powell and all but accuses Powell and friends of
Speaker 1: murdering murdering Hector Ayala, but Powell denies it, and Matt
Speaker 1: can tell from his heartbeat that he's telling the truth.
Speaker 1: Powell dirty cock Powell then threatens Matt with disbarment and
Speaker 1: a beating, and Matt says, okay, well the first one
Speaker 1: I don't think you can do. In the second one,
Speaker 1: bring more.
Speaker 3: Guys, dude, that's such a good line. When he was like,
Speaker 3: I guess you'll have to bring more than the last time, is.
Speaker 2: Like I beat the shower of two of you.
Speaker 1: WHOA Yeah, incredible obsessed I Love You got a red
Speaker 1: hook where Fisk is showing his team his plans for
Speaker 1: the privatization of the port. Fisk doesn't care about the
Speaker 1: red tape and all the city council stuff and all
Speaker 1: the okay is that they need to get He's just like,
Speaker 1: let's just do it. Sheila's like, well, shouldn't we think
Speaker 1: smaller because we've got this mob war that's like kind
Speaker 1: of brewing, and we need to start like a construction
Speaker 1: project with some panels and some studies first to show
Speaker 1: that you're serious to the city, and we need to
Speaker 1: get this on the docket of the public advocate. And
Speaker 1: Fiscus like, okay, do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, He's like, okay, it sounds realistic. Like I'm gonna
Speaker 2: wait for this show.
Speaker 1: Buck Cashman warns Fisk meanwhile that you know, Sheila's right
Speaker 1: about that mafia ward, it's going to be a problem.
Speaker 1: Leroy argues with Matt he's not happy about the ten days.
Speaker 1: He wants probation still, and Matt is like, listen, this
Speaker 1: is as good as it gets. And then Leroy goes
Speaker 1: on a impassioned monologue about just how difficult it is
Speaker 1: to be entangled in the legal system. And be poor,
Speaker 1: and Matt is like, Okay, you're right. Yeah.
Speaker 3: It was good because I like the way that Matt
Speaker 3: kind of Matt was still full of like the vim
Speaker 3: and vigor of charming a lady and getting it down,
Speaker 3: and to Matt it's just kind of paperwork. And then
Speaker 3: he has the pal interaction where he's feeling pretty good
Speaker 3: and then goes back to Leora and he's like, h
Speaker 3: shouldn't this be like a thank you counselor, and they
Speaker 3: were is like fuck you, Like I'm gonna tell.
Speaker 1: You like this is I'm actually eating some stealing.
Speaker 3: Some fucking fiddle battle. He's like, they cut my benefits off.
Speaker 3: I thought that was such a great sequence and I
Speaker 3: kind of loved how at the end Matt just had
Speaker 3: to be like, yep, you're right. And the kind of
Speaker 3: realization and recognition of what Matt can't do within the
Speaker 3: kind of system was really good.
Speaker 1: Fisk goes on his meat mayor Fisk Handshake tour to
Speaker 1: like local schools and then, as you mentioned, the Latvian
Speaker 1: the New York Latvian Association, where at every stop they're singing,
Speaker 1: we built this city to Wilson Fisk, and he is
Speaker 1: becoming more and more well, he's stream while the BB
Speaker 1: report dropped it's skating peace with uh you know, Intel
Speaker 1: sourced directly from assistant to the Mayor Dan about how
Speaker 1: Mayor Fisk plans to use tech companies to undercut the
Speaker 1: Department of Sanitation as as part of his plan for
Speaker 1: Red Hook. And this is the result again of Dan
Speaker 1: blabbing while on Kendeman and alcohol. Fisk is really really
Speaker 1: really pissed. There's an all hands meeting. Dan takes full
Speaker 1: responsibility and says, looks and I was drunk, I was
Speaker 1: in a k hole. Is like, maybe you shouldn't tell
Speaker 1: me about that part of it, and then he basically
Speaker 1: is like listen, I will do I am your loyal soldier.
Speaker 1: I will kiss your feet, I will do whatever it
Speaker 1: takes to make you happy. And then Wilson Fisk is like, well, okay, fine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he's like, boh, if you do it again,
Speaker 2: I'll kill you. But I will literally kill you.
Speaker 3: Also interesting evolution hip because Sheila and Fisk I definitely
Speaker 3: was not sure about her place in the Fisk administration,
Speaker 3: but because she takes responsibility and says, hey, whatever Dan did, like,
Speaker 3: blame it on me. It's not on him, like I'll
Speaker 3: take the full Suddenly, Fisk is like, wait a minute.
Speaker 3: These are two people who I think I'm gonna have
Speaker 3: on my team and see how this goes. Also, I
Speaker 3: love that Phoebe's headline was just mad garbage and then
Speaker 3: he keeps it. He's like, maya garbage like garbage man
Speaker 3: like bb that she was catching it gone to his
Speaker 3: skim babe, like good job.
Speaker 1: At night. Matt goes to the site of Hector's murder
Speaker 1: and using his heightened senses, figures out where the shellcasing
Speaker 1: would have rolled and he finds it, and he finds
Speaker 1: that it's engraved with a Punisher logo. So Matt goes
Speaker 1: to see Frank at Frank's hideout, which Matt. I love
Speaker 1: that Matt knows where it is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, He's just like this motherfucker is like a Janita somewhere,
Speaker 3: and Matt's like, where he is.
Speaker 2: That's my pal, that's my friend.
Speaker 5: Let's go to a quick break and we've right back. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and we're back.
Speaker 1: So at the Punisher's hideout, which is like in the
Speaker 1: bowels of some buildings somewhere where I think you're right,
Speaker 1: he's either working at day job as a janitor or
Speaker 1: his is being hidden by janitarial staff or something.
Speaker 3: Because he's like a janet's jumpsuit. But also the place
Speaker 3: is just full of like AK forty seven.
Speaker 2: There's a gun.
Speaker 3: Everywhere, Like it's really like no one's like coming in
Speaker 3: and being like yea, yeah, this guy's the super nothing
Speaker 3: wrong here, like no.
Speaker 1: Yeah, nobody's like no, nobody's coming down there to be like, hey,
Speaker 1: my radiator is the work, like clearly because he's and
Speaker 1: it's not just the guns and the ammo, but he's
Speaker 1: got like a whole one wall is just like a
Speaker 1: board of like targets, like full of people like he's
Speaker 1: gonna kill yeah, And Matt and Frank pick up right
Speaker 1: where they left off from their previous interactions, arguing about,
Speaker 1: you know, in a philosophical way about the nature of
Speaker 1: the work they do. Man, it's like, you know, I
Speaker 1: kind of need your help, and the city in fact
Speaker 1: needs your help, Like couldn't you start doing more like
Speaker 1: crime fighting stuff? And Frank is like fuck that shit,
Speaker 1: And then he's like, by the way, have you seen this?
Speaker 1: And then he shows him the bullet casing. I love that.
Speaker 1: Matt immediately knows it's not Frank.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, I thought that was really great where
Speaker 3: it was like they already kind of had this recognition
Speaker 3: of these, you know, to quote them bullshit famboys. Yeah,
Speaker 3: like that's that's something that has been going on, exists,
Speaker 3: And both of them are awhere like it wasn't him, Like,
Speaker 3: that's not what Frank does.
Speaker 1: So Matt's like, you know some of those fan boys
Speaker 1: or cops, and Frank's like, okay, what's that. That's not
Speaker 1: my problem. Frank is completely uninterested in doing crime fighting stuff.
Speaker 1: And then he turns the tables. He says, like, why
Speaker 1: did you really come here? What's the real reason? I
Speaker 1: think you came here? Because you want permission from me
Speaker 1: the guy who actually kills the bad guys to kill
Speaker 1: the bad guy, the bad guy being Dexter Bullseye, who
Speaker 1: killed your good friend Foggy say his name? Why don't
Speaker 1: why can't you even talk about Foggy? Why you know,
Speaker 1: why are you not? Like? What about what about Fogster?
Speaker 2: What his name name?
Speaker 1: Matt breaks down, gets very upset, punches Frank and then
Speaker 1: apologizes and he's like listen in a very an almost
Speaker 1: like frantic, tearful, emotional explosion, says Dax cat Life. He
Speaker 1: got multiple life terms. The system worked, but it's clear
Speaker 1: that like the way he's saying it, he doesn't even really.
Speaker 2: No, and he's like crying.
Speaker 3: I thought this sequence was so good, and I had
Speaker 3: to say it builds on something that I think this
Speaker 3: show is doing immensely well, which is recognizing and accepting
Speaker 3: the past of the Netflix shows but not letting them
Speaker 3: overtake whatever this new kind of vision they have is.
Speaker 3: Because you know, obviously Foggy IRFP to that man, he's dead. Karen,
Speaker 3: we've barely seen her. She's in San Francisco now, and
Speaker 3: now we get this really great interaction between Matt and Frank,
Speaker 3: and you know what, we might never see Frank again
Speaker 3: this season.
Speaker 2: You never know. And I kind of love.
Speaker 3: How self assured they are in making sure that if
Speaker 3: these people are here, it's not just for a cameo.
Speaker 2: It's part of this wider journey that Matt is on.
Speaker 2: And you know what, Frank's not wrong. Also, Matt kills
Speaker 2: people all the time.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I don't believe it traumatic, not canonically, but
Speaker 3: like in the show when we see the traumatic bris
Speaker 3: injuries he's given.
Speaker 2: For sure, but no, no, but I love this.
Speaker 3: I think it's the strongest part about the Punisher and
Speaker 3: dead evil stuff they set up before and it was great.
Speaker 3: And I think that this also, you know, in a
Speaker 3: writing kind of success, but also in the power of
Speaker 3: Charlie Cox's performance. This is directly throwing back to that
Speaker 3: moment where we see des get life and Matt looks
Speaker 3: like furious in the court room. It's almost because it's
Speaker 3: like it's not enough, you know, for him. So I
Speaker 3: think that that is going.
Speaker 2: To be a huge part of where we go from here.
Speaker 1: I also think to your previous point about like do
Speaker 1: this does this show have the chops? I think that
Speaker 1: this conversation shows that they continue to have the chops.
Speaker 1: The Punisher is it is a character because of his
Speaker 1: use of guns, because of the fact that his symbol
Speaker 1: in real life has been a opted by cops. Is
Speaker 1: complicated and I think the Netflix series was maybe not
Speaker 1: ready to deal with that reality, and this show is
Speaker 1: dealing with it in a very well rounded, clear eyed way,
Speaker 1: complex way that I think is really interesting. Like I
Speaker 1: could listen to these guys argue for the entire episode.
Speaker 1: I think this is I think it's a really interesting
Speaker 1: conversation about the nature of heroism in this world. That
Speaker 1: night over wine, Fisk tells Vanessa, whoa wait, we should
Speaker 1: get back together.
Speaker 2: We should do it.
Speaker 3: We should do it.
Speaker 2: I love I would never do anything to hurt.
Speaker 3: You specifically, but other people I would have many times.
Speaker 2: Has got me a big problem for us. Actually.
Speaker 1: Matt, meanwhile, having date night of his own, he comes
Speaker 1: home to find Heather is there. She was worried about
Speaker 1: him because he was out crime fighting or whatever, you know,
Speaker 1: like investigating and doing what he was. They have this
Speaker 1: wonderful again the writing really good, this wonderful, real, real
Speaker 1: feeling exchange where she's like, you know, it's I know
Speaker 1: that you can handle yourself, but also it's like, because
Speaker 1: you're blind, this other side of me comes out. It's like,
Speaker 1: weirdly that's protective. I'm not that person, but I worry about.
Speaker 3: You, and I like, I really like the moment where
Speaker 3: she's like, if you're just out doing your thing and
Speaker 3: I'm doing my thing, I'm not worried.
Speaker 2: But the moment I stay.
Speaker 3: Over and you don't come back, suddenly I'm like, wait,
Speaker 3: what happened? Did he walk into traffic? Like she says
Speaker 3: all this early silly stuff, but there's so much truth
Speaker 3: it feels real. I have to say, Look, it's kind
Speaker 3: of interesting to see, you know, a superhero show where
Speaker 3: the morals and the kind of relationships are often very
Speaker 3: black and white, very This is a very situation ship type.
Speaker 2: Yeah, being to a.
Speaker 3: Relationship where it's like this, you know, he's flotting with
Speaker 3: the other women. He is, you know, still probably got
Speaker 3: feelings for Karen, but this woman's staying in his house,
Speaker 3: she's thinking about it. Just felt very real to me,
Speaker 3: in the same way that that Matt and Frank conversation
Speaker 3: felt real. I think the writers in this show just
Speaker 3: keep delivering.
Speaker 1: They've done a great job. Matt puts on the charm
Speaker 1: and the pair have the kind of fully satisfying love
Speaker 1: making session that you don't often see, even suggested on
Speaker 1: Disney Plus, and this is certainly suggested. This is certainly
Speaker 1: suggested here. Matt, unable to sleep after goes to the
Speaker 1: roof to visit his Dearedevil stuff. He's got his whole
Speaker 1: like Dearedevil. Yeah, he's got like many masques.
Speaker 2: It's his little dad devil back cave.
Speaker 3: He kind of goes through and I feel like there's
Speaker 3: this I just felt like they do a really good
Speaker 3: job of kind of spending time with him. He looks
Speaker 3: at all the different masks, he looks at the differ
Speaker 3: from versions of the suit. He's kind of having that
Speaker 3: conversation in his head of which hero do you want
Speaker 3: to be? And they don't need a voice over, they
Speaker 3: don't need to tell you. It's just so clear by
Speaker 3: by what he's doing. And it's really interesting.
Speaker 1: I also love the I mean, this is a small point,
Speaker 1: but like the dichotomy of Frank underground Matt above ground
Speaker 1: on the roof, like they both have their little store
Speaker 1: rooms of stuff but in different places, like kind of
Speaker 1: mirroring their status as heroes and anti heroes. And so
Speaker 1: Matt goes to his stuff and then he trains a
Speaker 1: little bit clearly, Yeah, training.
Speaker 2: With his like cool mace or something like. It was
Speaker 2: like it was like it was like a chain.
Speaker 3: And Uppi and chain and yeah, Rabba as very finish him,
Speaker 3: almost very kill Bill, very kill Bill. Also as well,
Speaker 3: another great kind of dichotomy and reflection here which has
Speaker 3: been going on throughout the show is kind of Vanessa
Speaker 3: and Fisk and their closed off relationship, their lack of honesty,
Speaker 3: and then we get see Matt and head that having
Speaker 3: this real honest conversation. And then as Matt is training,
Speaker 3: we kind of cut back to Fisk and see how
Speaker 3: he deals with his issues.
Speaker 1: So we go to Fisk, who is one thing I've noticed.
Speaker 1: I think that one of the ways and I think
Speaker 1: this is so smart that they are marking the evolution
Speaker 1: of Wilson Fisk from guy trying to be just the
Speaker 1: straight up mayor to the kingpin again, is his food
Speaker 1: is getting more opulent.
Speaker 2: At the beginning, he's just eating like a little plain, a.
Speaker 1: Little strip of something and some vegetables on the side,
Speaker 1: and it's a very small and now we see him
Speaker 1: digging into like this pile of pasta with sausage laid
Speaker 1: over the top. It looks really good. And he's down
Speaker 1: in his basement eating next to a cage in which
Speaker 1: he keeps Adam.
Speaker 3: Well, this answers our question why he did somebody kept
Speaker 3: in prison. We were right about that, but I have
Speaker 3: to say I thought it was just gonna be a
Speaker 3: gang Bossel.
Speaker 2: I did not perceive that. I did not know.
Speaker 3: I did not see that coming. It's clear Adam's been
Speaker 3: there for a long time. Adam is beauty, he's I
Speaker 3: don't know if his hands are looking great, and Wilson's
Speaker 3: just sitting there eat opulent, eating his little dinner, just
Speaker 3: looking at him like.
Speaker 2: Yes, you shouldn't have slept with my wife.
Speaker 1: I'm like sorry, And Adam is clearly starving as well, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I need food, like and he's like, yeah, it's just
Speaker 1: because like eating this big pile of pasta.
Speaker 2: He's like, not happening for you.
Speaker 3: And also as well, obviously a great point here, which
Speaker 3: is like Wilson's idea of what it means to be
Speaker 3: honest to Vanessa and be open is never gonna really
Speaker 3: lead to anything positive.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 2: But say, I did think it was.
Speaker 3: Pretty hilarious when in the moment of the therapy where
Speaker 3: Vanessa and Fisk were both being asked by Heather like
Speaker 3: where's Adam now, you know, they both say I don't
Speaker 3: know exactly the same time. So I'm also like, hey,
Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe this is what gets them off.
Speaker 3: Maybe Adam's down there like maybe this was the compromise.
Speaker 2: You're not gonna kill him, but you can keep him prisoner.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Those two are really messed up, But Wilson, you gotta
Speaker 3: get this has gotta stop. You gotta I guess i'd
Speaker 3: say let him go, but that's never gonna happen.
Speaker 2: So you've got to.
Speaker 1: Happen, Wilson is. I mean, you're exactly right in that.
Speaker 1: I think this is his version of telling the truth,
Speaker 1: which is like this very legalistic. Well, I'm not that
Speaker 1: guy anymore. There's been no violence, which is like, clearly
Speaker 1: you've been beating on the guy. But like, but he
Speaker 1: said he.
Speaker 2: Wouldn't kill them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's alive still, So yeah, Wilson clearly still the
Speaker 1: man he always was. Then we go to the subway
Speaker 1: tunnels where Muse is draining the blood of a victim
Speaker 1: for use in his street art. This is how Muse
Speaker 1: paints his murals using the blood of his victims. Then
Speaker 1: we cut to the credits. Another great episode.
Speaker 2: Of Okay, so is Muse?
Speaker 3: Now we've kind of gotten about I look at the mosque,
Speaker 3: which I love this design. I think it looks great.
Speaker 2: Is Muse?
Speaker 3: The kids who came to had the Glenns signing and
Speaker 3: said I need help.
Speaker 2: I think so too. I think that's what the kind
Speaker 2: of implication is.
Speaker 1: The energy was like the insistence, the air of desperation.
Speaker 1: It I think clearly it's going to be that.
Speaker 3: I'm very interested to see if because this is again
Speaker 3: taking from the Charles Saw stuff, which we know is
Speaker 3: a really big influence here with a Ronghani legend. You
Speaker 3: probably most recently people know him for doing Bazaka with
Speaker 3: Keanu Reeves and Matt kint.
Speaker 2: This is really interesting stuff because.
Speaker 3: In the comics, Muse is an inhuman and also Muse
Speaker 3: like kills in humans, and this is very much around
Speaker 3: the time that Wilson is rising to powers mayor and
Speaker 3: his establishment of anti vigilante laws, which we are seeing,
Speaker 3: so this all.
Speaker 2: Tracks with the comics. I'm just interested to.
Speaker 3: See if they continue the route of Muse bringing bigger
Speaker 3: and more violent art to life, because he begins, as
Speaker 3: we see here, with this blood mural and they find
Speaker 3: out it has the blood of hundreds of people. But
Speaker 3: next he kind of poses dead in humans. It gets
Speaker 3: a lot more Hannahbalish, and then soon it's a very
Speaker 3: very interesting kind of reveal of what his powers are.
Speaker 3: Essentially a power to be overstimulated, which I think is
Speaker 3: the worst superhero you could ever deal with. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm I'm very interested to see what happens because I
Speaker 3: think there could be some interesting routes from the comics
Speaker 3: where kind of Muse and punishes stories intertwine and become
Speaker 3: part of Fisk's anti vigilante kind of stuff. But I'm
Speaker 3: just interested. I didn't think that we would get Muse.
Speaker 3: I know we'd seen him in the trailer, but I
Speaker 3: mean pre that, I just thought, this is a really
Speaker 3: dark storyline, and I think maybe this is where they're
Speaker 3: gonna real Obviously, end of episode three with Hector being
Speaker 3: shot in the head was just as brutal as anything
Speaker 3: you'll see on the Netflix show. But I wonder if
Speaker 3: this is where they're gonna go. Oh, actually, we can
Speaker 3: go even darker, Like we can do something scarier, we
Speaker 3: can kind of Hannibal Lek to this a little bit.
Speaker 3: I'm intrigued. I like mus I was a fan of that.
Speaker 3: There was a lot of plotline around this time that
Speaker 3: was similar. DC also had a hero like a villain
Speaker 3: like this, a kind of our super villain. I'm interested
Speaker 3: to know what that kind of represents, maybe a reaction
Speaker 3: to Banks or something.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure, but yeah, I want to.
Speaker 3: Know where this goes next because it feels like it's
Speaker 3: gonna go really, really dark, but this show has done
Speaker 3: a good job of surprising me and kind of balancing
Speaker 3: the charm of the MCU with the bleakness of the
Speaker 3: Netflix shows.
Speaker 1: In the next few episodes of X ray Vision, we
Speaker 1: have our second book club meeting. Make sure you read
Speaker 1: the wonderful first story in Ted Chang's Exhalation collection of
Speaker 1: short stories. And then on Wednesday we'll be reacting uh
Speaker 1: oh finale season two of Severn's Hopefully it won't be
Speaker 1: another two plus years before we get another fingers Crossed
Speaker 1: season of that. And then Thursday we're gonna react to
Speaker 1: the Double Daredevil drop of episodes one oh five and
Speaker 1: one oh six. That's it for this episode.
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