Speaker 1: Of the Law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies.
Speaker 3: These episodes are based on. These are our stories.
Speaker 4: Done done, Yay.
Speaker 2: Another episode of That's Messed Up an sv podcast.
Speaker 3: I am Liza Traeger.
Speaker 1: And I'm Kara Klank. And you know how this podcast works, Guys.
Speaker 1: We talk about an episode of SVU, we talk about
Speaker 1: the true crimas based on and then we usually interview
Speaker 1: an actor from the show. And you know, we've not
Speaker 1: been able to do that because of the strike.
Speaker 3: But the strike is over.
Speaker 1: It's been ratified with a depressingly low participation percentage, and
Speaker 1: we are going.
Speaker 3: To be having guests in the new year.
Speaker 1: This is coming out the day after Christmas, our last
Speaker 1: episode of twenty twenty three. What a year it's been.
Speaker 1: Thank you to everybody who came out and saw us live.
Speaker 1: We do have one more live show in the on
Speaker 1: the schedule for January seventh in Seattle at the Wet
Speaker 1: City Comedy Festival. It's at the Crocodile Slash. The Bell
Speaker 1: what's it called, the I don't know. It's got like
Speaker 1: two names, but the Crocodile Lounge.
Speaker 3: It's great. It's got like a great.
Speaker 1: Uh it's not even called the Crocodile Lounge. That's where
Speaker 1: I did stand up in New York. It's just called
Speaker 1: the Crocodile. Go to Thats Messed Up Live dot com.
Speaker 1: That's got the link for that. You can go see
Speaker 1: Lisa there on the six doing stand up. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of other awesome headliners, Patti Harrison, jol Kim Booster.
Speaker 1: Go check out that fest and come see us on
Speaker 1: the seventh. I think our show's at like six thirty,
Speaker 1: and that'll be the last one we have until we start.
Speaker 3: Figuring out what we're doing for twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2: And as you're listening to this, I am in Mexico City,
Speaker 2: So I hope you think about me living my full
Speaker 2: time fantasy.
Speaker 1: I'll think about you at the Casa Azul as Rose,
Speaker 1: he says, She goes, can we go to the Casa Azul,
Speaker 1: which is.
Speaker 3: What she calls Free to Callo's House?
Speaker 1: Because if you don't know, every four and five year
Speaker 1: old in the world like knows everything about Free to Callo.
Speaker 1: She's truly an icon among kindergarteners and Lisa Rosie was like,
Speaker 1: can we go to the Kasas? Like, oh, you know,
Speaker 1: Lisa's actually going there like a week. She was like,
Speaker 1: can we go too. I was like, I don't think
Speaker 1: we can tag along on Lisa's vacation, but she'll send
Speaker 1: us pictures. Well, if there's a gift shop, I'll definitely
Speaker 1: see what little Blue House plea goodbye please? They I
Speaker 1: would love to. She is obsessed with Freda. I mean
Speaker 1: we've been reading her Free to Calla books since she
Speaker 1: was like eighteen months old, and she used to point
Speaker 1: to a picture of Freda Callo in a suit and
Speaker 1: be like, that's.
Speaker 3: Daddy, and we thought that was really funny. But she
Speaker 3: loves Freda.
Speaker 1: They named their butterfly Frida, and their class they said
Speaker 1: it free after it grew out of a Chrysalist.
Speaker 3: And everything in a cocoon. So big fans over here.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it'll be I will be driving back to
Speaker 1: Connecticut from West Virginia, where by the way, I'm trying
Speaker 1: to get my kids tickets to visit Santa at a
Speaker 1: Bass Pro shop in West Virginia.
Speaker 3: And it's a hard ticket to get. How hard are
Speaker 3: you trying?
Speaker 2: So my mother in.
Speaker 1: Law's doing it but she was like, didn't seem like
Speaker 1: there was much of a line, but might get more
Speaker 1: crowded closer to Christmas than I go. I can't wait
Speaker 1: to explain to my child how Santa definitely stops by
Speaker 1: a bass pro shop to talk to kids every year.
Speaker 2: Well, listen, some kids want a fishing pole. You know
Speaker 2: we're not all the same, true, true, Well, speaking of
Speaker 2: fucking Christmas. So earlier this month, I'm driving back from
Speaker 2: San Diego. Everything is great, having a nice drive, some
Speaker 2: nice phone chats. All of a sudden, I can't exit
Speaker 2: our exit, and then I'm stuck in this insane traffic.
Speaker 2: And then I finally get to where I need to go.
Speaker 2: Another street is closed, so I'm turning around with people,
Speaker 2: and then of course I feel bad for the people
Speaker 2: coming back in. I'm like, you're gonna get stuck at
Speaker 2: the McDonald's, but I'm not helping you. And so then
Speaker 2: I get back on the highway, go backwards. Exit another thing.
Speaker 2: There's streets closed, like truly miles of street closings. I
Speaker 2: see fire trucks. I don't know what's going on. I
Speaker 2: have my friends start checking the news. She's googling stuff.
Speaker 2: She's like there's a record event. I'm like, this isn't
Speaker 2: a fucking record event. I'm like reckless, Like this isn't
Speaker 2: fucking I don't.
Speaker 3: Know what this is.
Speaker 2: I call Kara and she goes, it's a fucking Christmas
Speaker 2: parade and she was stuck in it too, but I
Speaker 2: got stuck in it.
Speaker 1: I was driving, so I took Rosie to Lakhma, which
Speaker 1: is a modern martn art museum in la and it
Speaker 1: was so cute. I took her there and I go
Speaker 1: I got to run run her home by like twelve thirty,
Speaker 1: twelve forty five because I got to get to therapy
Speaker 1: by one twelve forty five. We're getting to our neighborhood.
Speaker 1: This parade started at one, which is what's crazy. Was
Speaker 1: supposed to go one to two. You called me at
Speaker 1: three and there was still bullshit going on three o'clock
Speaker 1: like it was supposed to be. It was an hour
Speaker 1: over by the time you hit it, and like I
Speaker 1: but I was getting there right as everybody was taking
Speaker 1: their seats to go watch it, and I just was
Speaker 1: literally panicking. Like Rosie's never kind of seen me panic
Speaker 1: like that, Like I just was, like truly, I was
Speaker 1: in dead ends. I was by Casey. I was thinking,
Speaker 1: I was by your old house. Like I was just
Speaker 1: like hitting all these dead ends. I was in a
Speaker 1: McDonald's drive through. I was in the Taco Bell drive through.
Speaker 1: I was like trying to get through all these ways.
Speaker 1: There was no way for me to get across this
Speaker 1: parade to get to my house. It took me forty
Speaker 1: five minutes to get home from the exit of our exit,
Speaker 1: and I missed my therapy appointment.
Speaker 3: I just was like texting my therapists, going, ironically.
Speaker 1: This is where I need therapy the most, because I
Speaker 1: am truly freaking out.
Speaker 3: I cannot get home.
Speaker 1: Jared kept going, just take a deep breath. Traffic sucks,
Speaker 1: I go. You don't understand.
Speaker 2: It's not traffic. It's literally I'm trapped.
Speaker 1: I am barricaded onto one side of Figueroa and I
Speaker 1: cannot get to the other side.
Speaker 3: It was terrible.
Speaker 2: It was wild. One woman did yell at one of
Speaker 2: the traffic cops. But it was truly like I got
Speaker 2: off on forty third So from forty third Street to
Speaker 2: sixtieth Street full blocked, blocked, I had to go all
Speaker 2: the way around. I was.
Speaker 3: It was bonkers.
Speaker 1: And then everybody that was trying to avoid the parade
Speaker 1: and get home was in the same line of traffic.
Speaker 1: Like that was crazy just getting once you figured it
Speaker 1: out and got on to the other side.
Speaker 3: So I just was so I was like this, I'm glad.
Speaker 2: I wasn't well. Then I called our friend and I go,
Speaker 2: what is going on? She goes, maybe the President's there?
Speaker 2: I go, shut the fuck up. The President did not
Speaker 2: come to Highland Park randomly by the fucking food for less.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Which friends has said that?
Speaker 2: Can you tell me, Julie, She goes, well, last time
Speaker 2: I got stuck in stuff the President was visiting. I go, Yeah,
Speaker 2: in New York City, Okay, not in our like little
Speaker 2: area on a random afternoon. No.
Speaker 3: I love that though.
Speaker 1: If Biden was just chilling at food for us one day,
Speaker 1: that would be cool.
Speaker 2: I also I would have gone to the parade. I
Speaker 2: also wish that my Google Maps was better and told
Speaker 2: me to go on the two like there would have
Speaker 2: been other options.
Speaker 3: But I didn't know what was happening.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know what doesn't know parade. It knows
Speaker 1: like accidents, but it can't figure out parades. Like I
Speaker 1: kept telling me to go back to where I was like,
Speaker 1: I can't go their Google maps and I couldn't find
Speaker 1: a traffic cop.
Speaker 2: You found one, right, That's how you eventually figured it out. Well,
Speaker 2: I haven't seeing empty vehicles, No, I saw a guy
Speaker 2: and then I saw this woman scream at him, and it's.
Speaker 3: Like, what girl?
Speaker 2: Relax? I was really kind. I go, can you just
Speaker 2: please tell me how to get to my streets? I'm like,
Speaker 2: please get me home? And he helped, but my car
Speaker 2: reeked of weed.
Speaker 3: Like I cannot I cannot believe.
Speaker 2: I was that desperate that I was like, listen, if
Speaker 2: I get arrested, I get arrested.
Speaker 3: I gotta get home, I gotta get well.
Speaker 2: I have more embarrassing. No blame of a Christmas parade.
Speaker 2: This is all my fault.
Speaker 3: So I go.
Speaker 2: I drive to the comedy store, I would say, three
Speaker 2: times a week, maybe more or less.
Speaker 3: For years.
Speaker 2: Now, I go there more than I go anywhere else,
Speaker 2: I would say. And I missed my exits twice, truly,
Speaker 2: driving on the wrong highway for miles because I was
Speaker 2: listening to Taylor Swift. I twice. This has happened two
Speaker 2: days in a row, where all of a sudden I'm like,
Speaker 2: why would I get on the ten? And then I
Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, I missed the.
Speaker 3: One on one.
Speaker 1: You were like about you hit the ocean and you
Speaker 1: were like fuck, like wait, where were you listening to
Speaker 1: Taylor just her music? You just got someone to the music?
Speaker 2: Oh my yes, I'm just that I've It's truly broken
Speaker 2: my brain in a way I can't I can't understand.
Speaker 2: And then yesterday I'm driving to the store and then
Speaker 2: it keeps telling me to get off on these downtown
Speaker 2: and I hate driving downtown. I feel like it's like
Speaker 2: truly Gotham, You're underground, Like I really hate driving downtown,
Speaker 2: and it kept me like get off on the third street.
Speaker 2: Get I'm like, I'm not fucking going downtown. And then
Speaker 2: I'm like, wait, why am I here? And then I
Speaker 2: realized I missed the ten, and then I had to
Speaker 2: go on like Martin Luther King draw so many miles,
Speaker 2: go all the way around it was and then I
Speaker 2: made it in time, but barely, and it was like
Speaker 2: I was I just it was just because I was
Speaker 2: listening to Taylor.
Speaker 3: I like, it's really taken over.
Speaker 2: But I was talking so all of a lot of
Speaker 2: you on the road have made us incredible sview that's
Speaker 2: messed up friendship bracelets and so we have like bags
Speaker 2: of them and I brought some yesterday to the comedy
Speaker 2: store to give to some of of our SVU friends
Speaker 2: and it was really exciting.
Speaker 3: I felt really cool.
Speaker 2: And one of our friends, I go, I just can't
Speaker 2: get enough of her, and he goes, yeah, she's touched.
Speaker 3: By God, and I go, yeah, you're right, that is
Speaker 3: what it is.
Speaker 2: It's like, it's really it's too much. And then I
Speaker 2: woke up. But now everyone knows it's really sweet. I
Speaker 2: always get Simpson stuff, people send me Miley things, sex
Speaker 2: SVU stuff, and now I woke up to a text
Speaker 2: about articles that are happening different tailor things, and like
Speaker 2: waking up to pictures, You're just people.
Speaker 1: Putting more intense interests to your list, but nothing ever
Speaker 1: falls off. Everything stays on the list.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm hoping this tapers off a little, so I'm
Speaker 2: not missing exits to my job, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 2: I just hope it's but I had like tasks to
Speaker 2: do today, but instead I read this time article about
Speaker 2: Taylor Swift was the most I've read about anything outside
Speaker 2: of the research for this podcast.
Speaker 3: It was it was like an eight to ten page article.
Speaker 3: I was for those long ones that take like hours. Yeah,
Speaker 3: oh my god.
Speaker 2: But the photos are good. Did I try to buy
Speaker 2: a print? I did? Okay, anyways, but then I got
Speaker 2: to talk to a friend for a really long time
Speaker 2: and made people happy. Steph tool of did take the
Speaker 2: best bracelet? Which one? And I let her have it
Speaker 2: because that's the spirit of the bracelets. I gave her
Speaker 2: Stabler's jean jacket. Oh wait, do you have mommy's juice
Speaker 2: in that? Oh yeah, because yeah, yeah, no I would.
Speaker 2: It's funny because people go, what is that? And then
Speaker 2: I get to be like, well, there's this episode where
Speaker 2: a guy has to butt chug for his mom a
Speaker 2: booze in her ass her throat. Yeah, people just stare,
Speaker 2: They're like, excuse me. But she's like, why aren't there
Speaker 2: Stabler ones? And you know, because a lot are inside
Speaker 2: jokes for us, and I'm right now, I'm holding Fishing
Speaker 2: Expedition post mortem and Murshka Hargate, but I switched them out.
Speaker 2: But she goes, isn't there a Stabler one? And she goes,
Speaker 2: oh my god, Stabler's jean jacket and she put it
Speaker 2: on her key ring and I texted her just so
Speaker 2: she knew. I go, just so you know you did
Speaker 2: get one of the best ones. And she goes, thank you.
Speaker 2: I love it so much, it'll never leave my heart.
Speaker 3: I love his denim. And I go, Okay, the right
Speaker 3: person got it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's Canadian stabler, always in a Canadian tuxedo.
Speaker 2: It's like, perfect, You're totally right.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 2: I had a friend call me that said, on Hulu
Speaker 2: there's a series called Homicide for the Holidays and it's
Speaker 2: like holiday based murders, and have have we gone too
Speaker 2: far as a true crime community?
Speaker 1: Like well, it's like everybody's just trying to find different
Speaker 1: angles in but I don't know, it's like we can't
Speaker 1: do like an Arbor day murder marathon, all crimes involving
Speaker 1: trees and wood, like.
Speaker 2: Through the snow okay, and on a snow filled lake
Speaker 2: we found but it's.
Speaker 1: A little Right after the family got together, she was
Speaker 1: never seen again.
Speaker 3: Like, I don't know, it's too much.
Speaker 1: I will say, though, you know, famously my making a murderer.
Speaker 3: My family watched it through a full on a full.
Speaker 1: Christmas holiday together, watched the entire thing, and Jared was horrified.
Speaker 3: So I love twice holidays.
Speaker 2: I've watched it twice, but not at holiday holidays.
Speaker 3: Was the first time.
Speaker 2: What is his family watch on Christmas? Like a Christmas
Speaker 2: Jared's family, there's not like a thing. They'll watch anything
Speaker 2: with us. I mean they'll they like, but we wouldn't
Speaker 2: probably do that.
Speaker 3: But they like.
Speaker 1: They like a lot of like upstairs downstairs BBC Downtown
Speaker 1: Abbey type shit, like they should get into below deck. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they if they like upstairs it is modern. That is
Speaker 1: modern Downtown Abbey.
Speaker 2: And I'm sure your parents are gonna love Captain Sands
Speaker 2: are there.
Speaker 3: I bet they'll love Captain Sandy.
Speaker 2: You know, I felt like your parents would like Captain Sandy,
Speaker 2: and I feel like his.
Speaker 3: Parents would love Captain Lee. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not that your parents would dislike Captain Lee, but
Speaker 2: I think they would have something.
Speaker 3: Going for Sandy in a way. Well, they're all Republicans.
Speaker 3: I'm sure that is the way.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, my parents finally moved out of my
Speaker 1: childhood home.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, they're gone. It's out.
Speaker 1: We're done. We're not we don't, I don't. I can't
Speaker 1: go back to my old house.
Speaker 3: Anymore.
Speaker 2: Did was there a lot of memories there?
Speaker 3: Like did they live there?
Speaker 2: Boxes you had to go through or were all your
Speaker 2: possessions gone?
Speaker 3: And it's just memories.
Speaker 1: No, It's like, well I lived there for thirty five years, right,
Speaker 1: but like my parents moved into it thirty five years ago.
Speaker 1: I didn't win it for thirty five years, but my
Speaker 1: parents lived in it for thirty five years.
Speaker 2: And we like every year.
Speaker 1: My mom was so big on like can you just
Speaker 1: take these things out of the house that are yours?
Speaker 1: So like, I've been slowly moving things that Like I
Speaker 1: just took my wedding dress out of the house like
Speaker 1: one trip ago when I was in Connecticut. So like
Speaker 1: I'm I've been getting stuff out, so I don't really
Speaker 1: think there's anything left.
Speaker 3: I mean there might be. Like I asked my mom to.
Speaker 1: Put a side a box of VHS tapes because I
Speaker 1: want to get them digitized to DVD of like family
Speaker 1: videos and stuff.
Speaker 3: But I think, like, yeah, well, so I use this
Speaker 3: service to do that.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you remember a couple of years
Speaker 2: ago where I got all my old family video It
Speaker 2: was actually pre pandemic.
Speaker 3: For that show, I was doing the vacation.
Speaker 2: Oh right, But and I had a Google Drive folder
Speaker 2: of them all and then I wanted to find one
Speaker 2: from like a specific video. I'm locked out of it.
Speaker 2: I didn't doubt, and like I downloaded them on my
Speaker 2: computer that had water damage, right, And so I've been
Speaker 2: emailing with the company and I basically had to pay
Speaker 2: like eighty something dollars to reopen the thing. I'll get
Speaker 2: it in three weeks, then I can download keep it permanently,
Speaker 2: and then with a subscription, I can always keep it whatever.
Speaker 2: But it was they like take it away from you,
Speaker 2: and I didn't know, So that's crazy. So the DVD
Speaker 2: is probably better than what I did, which was I
Speaker 2: just thought it would always stay my Google Drive.
Speaker 3: And it is weird that this company and he just
Speaker 3: has my.
Speaker 1: Home videos on lock yeah, because like I literally just
Speaker 1: asked a photographer, like I was like, could I get
Speaker 1: some prints of like Rosie's gallery from last year? Like
Speaker 1: I know you already took the gallery down, and she goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll just unlock it.
Speaker 3: She just unlocked it.
Speaker 1: Like it's like they could have just unlocked it for you,
Speaker 1: Like they're charging you to be dicks. Yeah, fucking because
Speaker 1: they know it's your family memories, but I'm excited.
Speaker 3: I want to get those chart change.
Speaker 1: But we were all there at my old house together
Speaker 1: in August, so we did all get together and have
Speaker 1: like a little family party. So I think that was
Speaker 1: like a nice way. But I kind of thought i'd
Speaker 1: have like one more chance to sort of go and
Speaker 1: I don't. But my parents moved into this new place
Speaker 1: and I can't wait to see it.
Speaker 3: My sister said, it's nice, and is it close.
Speaker 1: It's close to Yeah, it's it's probably twenty minutes from
Speaker 1: my parents' old house. I'm closer to my brother where it's,
Speaker 1: which is usually where I stay when I go back now,
Speaker 1: so it'll be pretty close.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's nice. Yes, so it'll be good. My parents
Speaker 2: are still scurrying up and down to it's of stairs
Speaker 2: all the time, NonStop, ranging up, and my mom like
Speaker 2: insisted on moving to a place where it had like
Speaker 2: a first floor master bedroom.
Speaker 1: A first floor I mean a no getting into a tub,
Speaker 1: like a walk in shower, like they're trying to minimize accidents,
Speaker 1: because you know, the day they had to move out
Speaker 1: of the house, like the final day, final final day,
Speaker 1: my dad decided, oh wait, we haven't taken anything out
Speaker 1: of the attic yet. They just never went up there.
Speaker 1: There was like hockey sticks and sleds from when we
Speaker 1: were kids up in the fucking attic that they have
Speaker 1: to get rid of. My dad stepped through the attic
Speaker 1: floor through the ceiling the day they had to move out.
Speaker 3: Oh my god. So like he didn't like get hurt.
Speaker 1: But that's like they had to get a contractor in
Speaker 1: there to like fix it before the new people moved
Speaker 1: in the next day.
Speaker 3: Damn, it's fucking nuts, Like my mom goes.
Speaker 1: My mom was like, I mean, I guess shit happens,
Speaker 1: and I was like, yeah, with you guys, so much
Speaker 1: shit happened.
Speaker 2: I wonder if basement and attics are regional or like
Speaker 2: something like that, because we most of my friends had basements.
Speaker 2: We were in basements. I didn't know of addicts. Addicts
Speaker 2: were just on TV.
Speaker 3: For me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we have an attic, but it's like you had
Speaker 1: to like pull a ladder down the way you do.
Speaker 3: It, well, that's a savation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so we never went up there, like I
Speaker 1: think in my life I've been up there twice. Maybe,
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, my parents would just like go
Speaker 1: up there and like put boxes and come back down
Speaker 1: like I don't even think they walked like it was
Speaker 1: just like a place to you know.
Speaker 3: Obviously it doesn't have a secure flooring.
Speaker 1: But we had a storage space off of my childhood
Speaker 1: bedroom that was like that was what we kind of
Speaker 1: used as an attic. It was what we called the
Speaker 1: storage space, but it was you could put all the
Speaker 1: shit in there. And that's where I hid my phone
Speaker 1: when I bought a phone on my own and I
Speaker 1: plugged it into a jack so I could have a
Speaker 1: phone in my own room because my parents said I couldn't.
Speaker 1: And I would like make little phone calls and then
Speaker 1: hide my phone in the storage space.
Speaker 3: And it never rang. They couldn't really tell when it
Speaker 3: was ringing.
Speaker 1: They weren't like in my room with me, you know,
Speaker 1: like it rang like the rest of the house.
Speaker 3: But they couldn't really tell.
Speaker 2: Was it a clear phone with where you could see
Speaker 2: all the wiring.
Speaker 3: I wish I wanted that so badly.
Speaker 1: That was my absolute jam, But no, it was like
Speaker 1: some phone I won through selling wrapping paper for my school,
Speaker 1: Like I would sell that was like our thing that
Speaker 1: we did for fundraising or whatever. Was like sell wrapping
Speaker 1: paper and you would win prizes, and I won. I
Speaker 1: was able to choose my prize, and I chose this
Speaker 1: like little shitty phone. Like I don't even think it
Speaker 1: had a cradle.
Speaker 3: I think it was just like a headset piece that
Speaker 3: you went like this and you can dial on it
Speaker 3: like it was. It was crazy.
Speaker 2: But I are a poster child of you should allow
Speaker 2: your kids to do things or they will learn how
Speaker 2: to sneak and lie like no other. Absolutely, that's just
Speaker 2: no trust, I know. But like you got away with everything,
Speaker 2: might as well just be like, yeah, I have a phone.
Speaker 2: I just you know, you know, such a bad parent.
Speaker 2: Not that your parents are bad, it's a bad that's
Speaker 2: the generation. Yeah that everyone was silly. Yeah, it was
Speaker 2: just you're in trouble and then your kids are sneaking
Speaker 2: out windows. Yeah, Like it's just I don't know why
Speaker 2: they thought it was a good idea to be so
Speaker 2: strict when everyone was climbing.
Speaker 3: I know, I know.
Speaker 1: It's definitely made me think about how I'm going to
Speaker 1: do things differently. For sure, if Rosie wants a phone
Speaker 1: in her room, whatever, but by the way, a phone
Speaker 1: in your room's not going to exist when Rosi's older,
Speaker 1: because they're all just gonna have cell phones. But when
Speaker 1: do I give her that? That's the big question.
Speaker 2: I think you can get her a jitterbug right yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: or one without data where she would need Wi Fi
Speaker 2: to be.
Speaker 1: There's little like watches too that can get texts and
Speaker 1: make calls, and or like little watches for kids. I
Speaker 1: might do that too, Yeah, and throw a what are
Speaker 1: those trackers in the backpack?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: For you know, a tile?
Speaker 2: I heard you could put the tiles in the shoes
Speaker 2: because the bags can be missing, but you can, like
Speaker 2: under the sole or something. You can put them in
Speaker 2: the shoe or even in the Yeah, because you know
Speaker 2: what I've been watching on TikTok. Well, now I don't
Speaker 2: have TikTok anymore on my phone, hopefully I've not.
Speaker 3: Put it back on.
Speaker 2: But I was listening to nine to one one calls
Speaker 2: where people can't be free to talk, like you know,
Speaker 2: it's them ordering a pizza or something like that and
Speaker 2: the other and then the operator is just like, tell
Speaker 2: me if you're in trouble and can't talk, and then
Speaker 2: it's yes, and then it's like how they get the
Speaker 2: cops there?
Speaker 3: While Wow, I think about that, like all the time.
Speaker 1: I always think about how I'll like make a phone
Speaker 1: like call my oneman really quickly and then hide my
Speaker 1: phone and be like I'm just here at my adrene
Speaker 1: like say your address. I don't know, like I think
Speaker 1: about that. That's like a like probably a rescue nine
Speaker 1: one one thing or something I picked up as a child.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's and then it's like does the person armed,
Speaker 2: and it's say pepperoni, and then you like hear a
Speaker 2: man yelling like I said that.
Speaker 3: You know, it's it's pretty wild, but.
Speaker 2: You know, it's just hard to think because like most
Speaker 2: of humanity is bad at what they do. Not really
Speaker 2: that's not true, but a lot of people are bad
Speaker 2: at their jobs. And yeah, we see that all the time.
Speaker 2: And it's just so scary if you call the wrong
Speaker 2: nine one one operator, yeah, nobody to watch the hang up.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, but it is.
Speaker 2: It's so scary to think what if you got one
Speaker 2: that was like shift over wrong number.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, Well, we have to get the episode started,
Speaker 1: but I also I wanted to really quickly on the
Speaker 1: tip of tailor TikTok, wrapping up everything we've talked about today.
Speaker 3: Thank you guys, so much.
Speaker 1: For all watching and sharing our little TikTok video we
Speaker 1: made of the We're best Friends, We're SVU.
Speaker 3: Fans video that we made.
Speaker 1: We had such a fun time making that because we
Speaker 1: knew that, like only SVU people.
Speaker 3: Would like get what we were talking about.
Speaker 1: So, and thank you all for spamming the comments of
Speaker 1: Travis and Jason's podcast We Are you know, hoping to
Speaker 1: get a call that they want to be on or whatever.
Speaker 2: So I'm listening to today's episode. I'm a weekly listener
Speaker 2: to the New Heights podcast now and there they brought
Speaker 2: up two bears, one cave. They brought up fucking Sigora
Speaker 2: and Bert and those boys have enough. We yeah, but
Speaker 2: I'm talking our time we get brought up. So I'm
Speaker 2: about to Textagore and be like, don't you fucking dare. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, oh, and if there are TikTok trends.
Speaker 3: That's what I was gonna say that you want us.
Speaker 2: To do, send them to us because we'd love to
Speaker 2: make more videos.
Speaker 1: But we like, we're only two elder millennials. We're just
Speaker 1: two elder mills. And so, like Lisa's took it off
Speaker 1: her phone and I'm not on it that much. So
Speaker 1: if you see like a trend that seems like it
Speaker 1: would be fun for like the SVU or for us
Speaker 1: or whatever, send it to us, DM it to us,
Speaker 1: to our Instagram or whatever and let us know so
Speaker 1: be cause like we'd love to make more stuff like
Speaker 1: that and it's fun and yeah, but let's get started.
Speaker 2: Hopefully you had a great time with Santa. Let's say
Speaker 2: Boxing Day. I don't know, is the twenty sixth Boxing Day?
Speaker 2: Let me see, I don't even know what it is.
Speaker 5: Mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's Tuesday, December twenty sixth, So Happy Boxing Day
Speaker 2: to all Canada.
Speaker 3: So what is Canada? Boxing Day?
Speaker 2: The day after Christmas is the feast of Saint Stephen,
Speaker 2: the first Christian murder. It's also known as Boxing Day,
Speaker 2: a secular holiday celebrated in parts of.
Speaker 3: The Commonwealth, including Canada.
Speaker 1: So, okay, happy day to all who celebrate a knockout
Speaker 1: punch of a day for you, here's a Boxing Day
Speaker 1: treat this episode.
Speaker 2: So we're doing merchandise today and that's season twelve, episode four.
Speaker 2: You obviously know it's not a good type of merchandise,
Speaker 2: but let's.
Speaker 3: Jump in here.
Speaker 1: It's not about it's not about Benson knowing all the
Speaker 1: high end brands.
Speaker 2: No, No, this one's sad.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: So we start off and there's a Dakota Fanning looking
Speaker 2: girl running very very fast. She's breathing hard, she's scared.
Speaker 2: She's running through a farmer's market. She's in flannel, she's
Speaker 2: knocking down people. It's very action movie. Produce is flying,
Speaker 2: you know, it could be a comedy. But she looks panicked.
Speaker 2: Someone's yelling at her, but she's clearly in distress, and
Speaker 2: I don't understand why no one helps her. Like every
Speaker 2: adult at the farmer's market's like hey, and it's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: she's clearly rooking this.
Speaker 1: Jam, you dumbass, Like it's like, yeah, she looks terrified.
Speaker 2: I just can't believe not one adult went, what's wrong?
Speaker 2: How can I help you? You know, like, not fucking one.
Speaker 2: But uh oh, she gets hit by a car and
Speaker 2: now she's dead in the street. So I guess maybe
Speaker 2: they're thinking twice about how they acted. So obviously Melinda
Speaker 2: is now on the case. She's standing over the body
Speaker 2: and I paused it in that moment to type, and
Speaker 2: the light is hitting her gorgeous like she is glowing
Speaker 2: in these blue scrubs.
Speaker 3: It is Golden hour.
Speaker 2: So Melinda is glowing, but I am haunted by like
Speaker 2: this girl. When she landed the foliard, the noise of
Speaker 2: her crunching on the cement was not good for me.
Speaker 2: Very authentic noise is good of a body hitting cement.
Speaker 2: So something is jacked up with a socket, So that's
Speaker 2: not good. So the zygomatic socket is busted. The scapula
Speaker 2: radius alna in the eye are all fucked. But Benson
Speaker 2: and Stable are like, okay, sure, but why are we
Speaker 2: called for a traffic fatality? And Melinda has a killer
Speaker 2: line because I know how to do my job.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you do, bitch, and like it's season twelve, why
Speaker 1: are you testing Melinda?
Speaker 3: Yea, why are you testing Melinda?
Speaker 2: It's so annoying and her full curls are on command today,
Speaker 2: And so Melinda gets the sad news. There's ligature and
Speaker 2: friction marks on the wrists and ankles. She is abused
Speaker 2: and she was starved to death. And then this quote
Speaker 2: it's sad, but it's the wording is funny to me.
Speaker 2: Her heart is soft and floppy Floppy is an easter bunny,
Speaker 2: not for a heart.
Speaker 3: Get a posaurus, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But it's weird, Like floppiness is always in medical jargon.
Speaker 1: There's a thing called like floppy baby, Like when they're
Speaker 1: first born, if they're floppy.
Speaker 3: That's like bad.
Speaker 1: You have to like figure out what's going on. Like
Speaker 1: they're supposed to be more like rigid, intensed up because
Speaker 1: they just got pulled out of a body, you know,
Speaker 1: and like if they're floppy, it's like a bad sign.
Speaker 1: I think it's called like floppy baby syndrome or something
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 3: But aren't they all floppy?
Speaker 2: Like how do you know what when the baby's floppy
Speaker 2: versus a regular baby?
Speaker 1: I think, well, here, let me see what causes floppy
Speaker 1: baby syndrome, neuro muscular disorder, central nervousism.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think it's just like when they come out, they're
Speaker 1: usually tensing up their little arms and legs and they're screaming,
Speaker 1: you know. And then so like when they come out,
Speaker 1: they're like rigid with their legs and arms, kind of
Speaker 1: like tether pissing, and so floppy is not not the best. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But anyway, it is a funny. It is a funny
Speaker 1: like word in general.
Speaker 2: It just sounds more like whimsical and silly than likely mabbs.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So there's also lumin in her stomach and nothing in
Speaker 2: the small intestines, and her body was breaking down muscle
Speaker 2: for fuel. Her liver was like fucked and greasy. This
Speaker 2: is sad, like this girl was starved to death. And
Speaker 2: but behind Melinda's a skeleton. You'd find it a school
Speaker 2: or a party city. So it is funny. She's being
Speaker 2: really serious, but then there's like just a floppy skeleton
Speaker 2: in the back, and it's like, I think Melinda should
Speaker 2: know what a skelt, like, what bones are which bones?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, I've seen I've seen that before.
Speaker 1: The only reason I think it could be there is
Speaker 1: so she can explain it to detectives and be like,
Speaker 1: see where the scapula hits or whatever, because she does
Speaker 1: do that a lot.
Speaker 3: She does a lot of teaching to them. But it
Speaker 3: is funny. I think I saw that when they had
Speaker 3: that little morg party where she was.
Speaker 1: Trying to fuck I see. Yeah, I think I saw
Speaker 1: that skeleton, just like chilling with a Santa hat on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Melinda's in an open marriage so anyway, so Stabler
Speaker 2: asked a good question. How was she even managed to run?
Speaker 2: And Melinda explains it was adrenaline. She's between twelve and fifteen,
Speaker 2: and she gave birth within the last year because her
Speaker 2: pelvic cradle is spreading.
Speaker 3: Uh oh. And then the car didn't even kill her.
Speaker 2: The you know, the cab rushed the process, but she
Speaker 2: would have died in soon, you know. So Melinda is
Speaker 2: ruling it a homicide. We go to the credits, We
Speaker 2: come back to a flooding. In the squad room, they're
Speaker 2: mopping water. There's trash bags everywhere. The pipes are old
Speaker 2: and the city will not get them new pipes.
Speaker 3: So then Craigan's like, I hear you're.
Speaker 2: Questioning Melinda's ruling, and she's pissed and why are you
Speaker 2: challenging the Emmy And they're like, we just don't think
Speaker 2: it's possible to build a case because it didn't actually
Speaker 2: kill the Jane Doe like the cab did, so the
Speaker 2: best we could do is attempted murder. So okay, then
Speaker 2: fucking do it, you know what I mean? So anyway,
Speaker 2: so Finn has footage up on the flat screen and
Speaker 2: Craigan goes, well, let's find the bastard who starved her
Speaker 2: and not be worrying about court and what to charge
Speaker 2: and the cases, like, let's find who starved her. So
Speaker 2: we're watching footage of her running and Benson's like, whoever
Speaker 2: she's running from? She looks fucking terrified. And then they
Speaker 2: noticed there's a kid running behind her that also looks
Speaker 2: like he's trying to get away, so there's two of them.
Speaker 2: He got lost in the crowd, and so she fell
Speaker 2: into lot fifty on the footage, and that's they're going
Speaker 2: to go to the market and talk to the lady,
Speaker 2: and the lady's pissed.
Speaker 3: She's a dumb bitch.
Speaker 2: It's like, the girl is dead, but sure your jars
Speaker 2: of blueberry compo are really a priority here. I kept
Speaker 2: thinking that they were going to like break the news
Speaker 2: to her, like the girl is dead, but it does
Speaker 2: then they don't, so I'm like, oh, so do you
Speaker 2: just know?
Speaker 3: And you still wanted to come back from the dead
Speaker 3: and pay for the blueberry compoe.
Speaker 2: She wanted the cops bay, she wanted the city to
Speaker 2: pay for her compo, Like she doesn't care a child's dead.
Speaker 2: She's not questioning herself being like, fuck, should I have
Speaker 2: done more to help you know, like that's not really happening.
Speaker 2: So a man behind her is like, get over it
Speaker 2: to the you know, to the wife, I think it's
Speaker 2: a husband. It's a husband energy for sure, and so
Speaker 2: this isn't Lussia's grape, you know, I don't think he's
Speaker 2: like an evil boss. So she's losing it. She's like,
Speaker 2: but she ruined our display, Bob, And the husband's like,
Speaker 2: we don't want to get the girl in trouble. There
Speaker 2: are more important things than your stupid jam. This Karen
Speaker 2: is so annoying, and the Karen is like, speak for yourself.
Speaker 3: Those kids are a menace.
Speaker 2: Like those kids, and it's the mission Farms hires, so
Speaker 2: there's usually more of them. And it's a program that
Speaker 2: gives at risk kids day jobs, you know, instead of
Speaker 2: therapy activities, love, Let's get them a job, you know,
Speaker 2: instead of taking them to the aquarium, let's get him
Speaker 2: a job in the fields.
Speaker 3: What the fuck?
Speaker 2: So the husband identifies that that girl running her name
Speaker 2: is Carly, and then the wife is like, oh, he's
Speaker 2: such a pushover. He was always giving them samples and
Speaker 2: that girl scarfed up my food. And it's like, are
Speaker 2: you pissed that she's hungry and eating it too fast.
Speaker 3: You're mad she destroyed it.
Speaker 2: Now you're mad she's scarfing it down, Like, I just
Speaker 2: don't understand the mind frame. But there are people that
Speaker 2: don't believe in free school lunch and they believe kids
Speaker 2: should have to be janitors to get food.
Speaker 3: Like there are.
Speaker 1: Bad people, it's just not the vibe of somebody who
Speaker 1: sells blueberry compote at a farmer's market. That's not who
Speaker 1: I think is gonna be horrible to children, Like.
Speaker 2: But this bitch sucks. She goes and then they had
Speaker 2: the nerve to puke it all up. It's like, why
Speaker 2: would you not help her? Benson and Sailor hate her
Speaker 2: like we do. And we find out the kids are
Speaker 2: only there on the weekends and every they're like, how
Speaker 2: did no one notice that these children were starved? So
Speaker 2: they go to speak to the farmer's market management to
Speaker 2: find out where the farm is and they say it's
Speaker 2: in Long Island, Suffolk County. So Finn is like, you
Speaker 2: didn't have an issue with them only using children as labor,
Speaker 2: and Finn is not into this. Finn has a lot
Speaker 2: of deep feelings in this episode, and the dude is
Speaker 2: classic well, the law says twelve and thirteen year olds
Speaker 2: can do farm work with parental consent, and fourteen and
Speaker 2: up can work without consent. And Finn's like, yeah, but
Speaker 2: they're getting paid like shit, and they get charged for
Speaker 2: all this stuff, so they're in debt to farmers. They're
Speaker 2: like indentured servants, you idiot. And the dude says, no way,
Speaker 2: you're talking about illegals. These are like at risk American kids,
Speaker 2: and Finn goes, yeah, they're just as vulnerable. So he
Speaker 2: presses for a W two for a girl named Carly,
Speaker 2: and the dude does have one, which is wild.
Speaker 3: The last name is Holbart.
Speaker 2: She's fifteen Lower East Side address, so he writes it
Speaker 2: down for Finn, and now we're knocking on an apartment building.
Speaker 2: Nobody's answering for a very long time, so Finn knocks
Speaker 2: on the neighbor's door. She has a blunt bob cut
Speaker 2: glasses and looks like she's about to talk.
Speaker 3: I thought she would be a nosy neighbor.
Speaker 2: She goes, oh, the whole bird's actually got evicted about
Speaker 2: a year ago after the mother died cancer, and then
Speaker 2: they went away, and she slams the door in his face.
Speaker 3: Like, she I guess I called her rock.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he goes, do you know where they went? She
Speaker 1: goes away and just shuts the fucking door. She's classic,
Speaker 1: It's yeah. But I thought she was going to be
Speaker 1: a different classic. I thought she was gonna know everything
Speaker 1: and be caring. He thought she was gonna be like,
Speaker 1: if you want to know what I think?
Speaker 2: Yeah, But instead she also doesn't care where these kids are.
Speaker 2: So no one wants to help anybody. So the parents'
Speaker 2: voters are on the board now at the squad and
Speaker 2: there's security footage picks. So the family was tossed out
Speaker 2: on the street about a year ago. They were drowning
Speaker 2: in hospital det He has no current job, and Finn goes,
Speaker 2: there's no missing report for Carly, and Craigan's like, do
Speaker 2: we think the dad is the one who starve her?
Speaker 2: And Finn goes, I mean, that's a lot of mouths
Speaker 2: to feed and no income. So the dad used to
Speaker 2: work in construction, but he can't work until he pays
Speaker 2: his union fees and he hasn't done that. So Craigan's
Speaker 2: trying to find a like, find him for like somehow,
Speaker 2: So they're going through his unemployment, Social Security but Benson says,
Speaker 2: those benefits stopped a long time ago. But what do
Speaker 2: we have. We find a car registration. It's a station
Speaker 2: wagon and there's also three other kids. So what's up
Speaker 2: with all those kids? We have Micah thirteen and daughters
Speaker 2: Savannah seven and Lizzie five, cute names. So the child
Speaker 2: services took them for a few months, but then the
Speaker 2: dad got them all back and then fully disappeared from
Speaker 2: the system. Finn runs in and the car has been found,
Speaker 2: and they head down to the car stable and Benson
Speaker 2: walked through a homeless alley type place and it's bad,
Speaker 2: you know, it's it's like it's sad. Benson's like, fuck,
Speaker 2: we can't tell him that his daughter is dead here,
Speaker 2: like this is bad, and Stabler goes, it doesn't matter
Speaker 2: where we, you know, tell him he's going to be upset.
Speaker 2: They sadly approach the station wagon. It's a bridge covered
Speaker 2: thing on one hundred and sixteenth Street. I can't imagine
Speaker 2: where this is, Like, I don't know any open areas
Speaker 2: like this. Yeah, me neither. I just feel like the
Speaker 2: city is so jam packed in like every crevice. This
Speaker 2: is like a big car park under a bridge, like
Speaker 2: it's huge. I don't know, but there are small kids
Speaker 2: playing behind the station wagon. The dad comes from behind
Speaker 2: the car. He goes, I know, I know, I shouldn't
Speaker 2: block the alley. I'm leaving right now. I'm leaving. He
Speaker 2: tells the girls to rinse off with a jug of water.
Speaker 2: They're like, oh, no, you actually need to come with us.
Speaker 2: He then pleads, please don't take my kids away, and
Speaker 2: they say this is about Carly and he gets so excited.
Speaker 2: He goes, oh my god, have you seen her? And
Speaker 2: this guy is great. He is from Nurse Jackie. He's
Speaker 2: the guy that Nurse Jackie cheats on her husband with.
Speaker 2: He's the pharmacist and he does have a good energy,
Speaker 2: even though we are going to be mad at him
Speaker 2: throughout this whole episode. So he asks if she's okay,
Speaker 2: and they say that we should discuss it in private.
Speaker 2: He of course breaks down. He knows what's up, and
Speaker 2: he starts screaming no, no, no. The little girls are like, wait,
Speaker 2: what's wrong, what's going on? Please don't take us. He's
Speaker 2: trying to be calm for them, but he is freaking out.
Speaker 2: So they have him now at the precinct and they
Speaker 2: explain what happened. Your daughter was hit by a car
Speaker 2: and she went quickly. He says, it's my fault. I
Speaker 2: should have looked after them. I couldn't even do that.
Speaker 2: He says, I saw her the last time a year ago,
Speaker 2: because they were working farmland. It's a place on Long Island.
Speaker 2: When their mom died, he just couldn't pay the bills
Speaker 2: and could barely feed them. And Stabler is pissed. He goes,
Speaker 2: you sent your kids away to make money. He says
Speaker 2: that he had no choice. Some lady just told him
Speaker 2: they were too young to work in the city but
Speaker 2: not outside the city. And it's like, who is this lady?
Speaker 3: Like what?
Speaker 2: So you turned defenseless miners to a stranger, He says, well,
Speaker 2: a woman wouldn't hurt them. He's a fool, so he's
Speaker 2: a fucking idiot. She gave me a phone number and
Speaker 2: talked with them, and then one time, one day the
Speaker 2: number got disconnected.
Speaker 3: He said.
Speaker 2: Her name was Magda Poloma, thirty five. She was short
Speaker 2: and she had a little scar over her left eye.
Speaker 2: And they got a license plate of the car and
Speaker 2: then they ask, oh, did she give you an advance
Speaker 2: for salaries? And he says, yes, five hundred dollars each,
Speaker 2: and Sabler's visibly sickened and said, you sold your children
Speaker 2: to a predator. He screams, I love my kids. I
Speaker 2: got them work. Benson says, dude, you had other options,
Speaker 2: and he says he begged child services to help. They
Speaker 2: dragged his kids away, crying and screaming and split them
Speaker 2: up and one kid had a broken arm from an
Speaker 2: attack in foster care. He's like, foster care sucks, and
Speaker 2: I had to get all my kids back. They then
Speaker 2: reveal that Carly was fucking pregnant, and he starts to
Speaker 2: finally realize how bad this is, and he asks that
Speaker 2: she get abused or something, and Benson kind of tears
Speaker 2: up a little bit and she's like, your child was starved,
Speaker 2: beaten and sexually assaulted. Dramatic music plays and he cries
Speaker 2: and he shakes his head. Benson looks stern at him.
Speaker 2: Stabler scowls. He's like, I sent them away so they
Speaker 2: can have food and shelter and be safe. And Stabler
Speaker 2: opens the folder with the pictures so he can see
Speaker 2: what fucking happened, and he goes, does this look safe
Speaker 2: to you?
Speaker 3: And he cries, I mean This is.
Speaker 2: The first time where I kind of understand where he's
Speaker 2: coming from. Where he's like, well, they were gonna have
Speaker 2: shelter and food. I thought it was like a good decision.
Speaker 2: So because this whole time, I'm like, selling kids for
Speaker 2: five hundred bucks is insane, Like why are you trusting
Speaker 2: a random woman in a phone? Like, but then the
Speaker 2: finally getting to see where he was coming from.
Speaker 1: Is a little I'm sure they also know how to
Speaker 1: dupe you. They're like, yeah, they get to live in nature.
Speaker 1: They work two hours a day, and then they go
Speaker 1: to school. It's like going to forest school. It's like
Speaker 1: an outdoor you know, community or whatever.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: They're not telling them we're gonna pimp them out, and
Speaker 1: like like the five hundred dollars is just to like
Speaker 1: get them started with supply, you know whatever. Like I'm
Speaker 1: sure they know how to fool them, even though it's
Speaker 1: like unconscionable.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So then the dad in the in the photos in
Speaker 2: the crowds, he's a picture and he goes, that's my son,
Speaker 2: that's Micah. Do you have Micah? So they always looked
Speaker 2: after each other. He's like he would never leave his
Speaker 2: sister just bleeding in the street. He must be in
Speaker 2: danger or two. Please please help me find him. That's
Speaker 2: my boy. So Craigan's at the office with the crew
Speaker 2: and the dude and it's dark in the office. Turn
Speaker 2: on a lamp. It is so dark, but Mission farms
Speaker 2: his bogus. There's no info anywhere about them. The license
Speaker 2: plate to the car was reported stolen a year ago,
Speaker 2: and the phone number was a Burner Soyle that was
Speaker 2: bought in a bodega. Benson is playing with the little
Speaker 2: kids and gets up and they're like, this Paloma bitch
Speaker 2: is a ghost. So you know, she's well organized. She's
Speaker 2: a lying predator. And Sailor goes, yeah, and I blame
Speaker 2: the dad that sold his kids. And Craigan's like, I mean,
Speaker 2: some kids do have jobs. And it is so funny
Speaker 2: because sometimes Craigan has no patience for people, and then
Speaker 2: when he chooses to see the good in people, it
Speaker 2: makes no sense. Yeah, like why is he trying to
Speaker 2: defend this?
Speaker 3: Like he'll be like he'll.
Speaker 1: Be like this fucking addict, and it's like, but you
Speaker 1: are an addict, you know, And then he'll be like,
Speaker 1: I don't know. The guy was just trying to get
Speaker 1: his kids some pocket money, you know, like he does
Speaker 1: have weird sides.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like his boomer is showing.
Speaker 2: But he and Stabler goes, no kids should have a childhood,
Speaker 2: and Stablor and Craigan go back and forth, and Craigan
Speaker 2: is soft and Stabler is like fuck you.
Speaker 3: So basically though, the work.
Speaker 2: Was legal, so they have to cut like everyone loose
Speaker 2: and being homeless isn't a crime, so Craigan doesn't want
Speaker 2: to split the family up. Finn runs in and a
Speaker 2: civilian caught the chase on his cell camera and it's
Speaker 2: not what we think, so we watch it and done done.
Speaker 2: Micah pushed Carly into trap so her bruther I gasped, but.
Speaker 3: I knew I just watched it, but I was like,
Speaker 3: I can't believe it.
Speaker 2: Why would the boy do this? And so he looks
Speaker 2: so scared. So I do have a new candle and
Speaker 2: it does smell like bananas, and I get whiffs of
Speaker 2: it once in a while and it brings me to
Speaker 2: such a place of joy. Okay, sorry, I love that.
Speaker 2: Were a little serotonin boost?
Speaker 3: Can we are?
Speaker 2: And I know it's like so sad because the brother
Speaker 2: just killed his sister.
Speaker 3: But then I got a whiff.
Speaker 2: Of banana and I was like, mmm, so anyways, why
Speaker 2: would that happen? So and he looks scared as well.
Speaker 2: So Finn is like, yeah, he was abused too, and
Speaker 2: he found out that he was charged with prostitution and resisting.
Speaker 2: So first they work on the farm and then they're
Speaker 2: forced into the sex trade, and Finn goes, yep, and
Speaker 2: there's more money in flesh than produce, and uh, private adoption.
Speaker 2: Benson says, fuck, they probably sold Carly's baby. And I
Speaker 2: didn't even fucking think about this. I thought it was
Speaker 2: people who wanted a baby. Then we find out infants
Speaker 2: on the black market. That's a ton of money. Craigan goes,
Speaker 2: then you can raise your own victim. Did your brain
Speaker 2: even go there?
Speaker 5: Yeah no, but I mean I like, yeah, no, you
Speaker 5: get a baby and you raise you, uh, to raise
Speaker 5: your own victim.
Speaker 3: I totally thought it was just rich people wanting babies.
Speaker 2: Like my, Uh, that is dark, dude, that is fucking
Speaker 2: dark to think about. Yeah, really horrible, Oh my god, God,
Speaker 2: raising your own victim? So yeah, raise victim in house
Speaker 2: is the direct quote. Saber's like, whoa, how can a
Speaker 2: thirteen year old be charged? For an act he can't
Speaker 2: legally consent to. Finn goes, oh, I'm livid about this,
Speaker 2: and goes, first thing I'm gonna do is ask the
Speaker 2: dude that fucking pinched him. So Finn runs up to
Speaker 2: a young woman detective and Finn goes, you know, Micah Holbert,
Speaker 2: and she goes, yep, i've you know. I've brought him
Speaker 2: in before for pandering and Finn goes, yeah, he's thirteen,
Speaker 2: he's a victim. She says, fine, I'll let him know
Speaker 2: next time I call her him for working a corner
Speaker 2: and Finn goes, they are sexually assaulted. We can't treat
Speaker 2: them like criminals, and she responds, well, we match the
Speaker 2: photos to missing persons and then send them home to
Speaker 2: the same screwed up families that made them run away in.
Speaker 3: The first place.
Speaker 2: And they're back on the corner and Finn goes, we
Speaker 2: need to protect these children, and she's like, well, they
Speaker 2: have to testify against the pimps and open court, and
Speaker 2: Finn goes, nobody is gonna talk and she's like, exactly
Speaker 2: my problem.
Speaker 3: It sucks, dude, I hate this.
Speaker 2: So I still don't like her them, and Finn is
Speaker 2: like okay, just help me find Micah, bring me to
Speaker 2: their pimps.
Speaker 3: So they go to the pimps.
Speaker 2: They ride together and there's all these losers lined up
Speaker 2: with their hands over their head. Finn goes, fact, now
Speaker 2: all of you are my bitches. Fact, deliver this kid
Speaker 2: to me or get used to living in the tombs.
Speaker 3: Fact.
Speaker 2: Until then, no stables safe, no John's out of reach,
Speaker 2: and most of all, no money gets made. So then
Speaker 2: one dude immediately he is like, relax, relax, I can
Speaker 2: help you out. So he's trying to be chill and
Speaker 2: helpful and sly. We don't really know what's going to happen.
Speaker 2: Finn goes, who are you? And he's being super vague
Speaker 2: and silly, but the other detective knows him and calls
Speaker 2: him a maggot and a nickel drug dealer and pimp,
Speaker 2: so he's bad. He works with kids, and he points
Speaker 2: to her and says, I told you nobody wants an
Speaker 2: old whore, and I kind of like that, even though
Speaker 2: it's fucked up, but men do like to Men are
Speaker 2: pedophiles in their full spirit, and they have to fight
Speaker 2: against it at all times. So Finn asks who runs
Speaker 2: him and they say he's a drop off. Whoever runs
Speaker 2: doesn't get involved, keep their distance, and nobody watches those kids.
Speaker 2: Those kids police each other, and he goes, I wish
Speaker 2: I knew how to do that. So I can't even
Speaker 2: I can't even fathom the abuse that these kids like are.
Speaker 3: Loyal to the Pimpsilverach. It's scary.
Speaker 2: So Finn gets in his face and goes, I need
Speaker 2: this kid brought to me by this time tomorrow, and
Speaker 2: the dude goes, I'll have Jasmine deliver him to you
Speaker 2: and only you. Finn goes do that, and so it's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: he's doing what you're saying. It's so funny. But Finn
Speaker 2: runs to the office and it's overrun with water. The
Speaker 2: pipe's finally burst. Everyone has a box of files and
Speaker 2: they move to the command center outside.
Speaker 3: They're gonna be out there for a minimum of a week.
Speaker 2: Because the dude that rehabs the precincts he just got indicted.
Speaker 3: L ol.
Speaker 1: Wait, so I was like kind of wondering, like why
Speaker 1: are they doing this? Like why are they doing this?
Speaker 2: Weird?
Speaker 1: The precinct is flooding thing, And I was about this
Speaker 1: episode for something else and found out that this episode
Speaker 1: is like right when they were moving their studios from
Speaker 1: New Jersey to Chelsea Peers. So I think it has
Speaker 1: something to do with that. They're like in transition, and
Speaker 1: so they're using like kind of we got to get
Speaker 1: out of the office, you know, and work out of
Speaker 1: a van because like maybe it wasn't ready by like
Speaker 1: a week or something, you know. But I thought that
Speaker 1: was interesting because I was like, this is such a
Speaker 1: dumb plot point that has nothing to do with actually
Speaker 1: what's happening in the episode.
Speaker 3: It's just inconvenient, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because the usually when things are in construction and
Speaker 2: a mess, and and like, look, I'm just thinking about
Speaker 2: when Munch got paint on him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I was thinking of too.
Speaker 1: That might have been when they were like because they
Speaker 1: have to explain that they're refurbishing the place because you know,
Speaker 1: the precinct changes so much over the course of the show.
Speaker 1: But this pipes and water, I'm like, what the fuck?
Speaker 1: Like I think it's because of this big move from
Speaker 1: they like lost their tax credit in New Jersey and
Speaker 1: so they moved back to the city.
Speaker 2: Which I bet was happier with wait, but yeah, so
Speaker 2: but I also love that the dude that's going to
Speaker 2: fix its indicted, and it's because concrete testing was fake
Speaker 2: and so they might have to overhaul the whole foundation.
Speaker 3: Of the whole bid away.
Speaker 2: But then they go to this mobile center, fully painted,
Speaker 2: set up, professional trailer like it looks like an office.
Speaker 2: Things are bulletined. There is no way this is slapped together.
Speaker 2: There's full walls, there's like walls in there. It's not
Speaker 2: a trailer. So the running the description on Magda against
Speaker 2: any known traffickers. There are three options. So let's get
Speaker 2: a mug book going after we get Micah in custody
Speaker 2: and show him the photos. Finn goes the deadlines tomorrow,
Speaker 2: will see what happens at the drop off. Craigan sends
Speaker 2: a squad to back him up. We see really young children.
Speaker 2: It's really sad. It looks like they're playing dress up,
Speaker 2: but it's just children that are sex workers victims.
Speaker 3: I don't know. It's awful.
Speaker 2: Sailors like, oh god, you know, thinking about his kids.
Speaker 2: Benson goes, those are not your kids, knows, but it
Speaker 2: just sucks. Benson says, as long as we treat victims
Speaker 2: as criminals, it will always be the same arrest the
Speaker 2: Johns get them. They all get slaps on the wrist.
Speaker 2: Nobody cares. Nothing is a degiterrent these creeps. Benson wants
Speaker 2: to treat them like the scum they are. Finn finally
Speaker 2: has his sights on Micah and he pretends to be
Speaker 2: a John. And then this is really upsetting. Micah says,
Speaker 2: hands thirty, blowing goes forty in and out sixty five.
Speaker 2: He's wearing a green tak top and he has a
Speaker 2: very devin saa vibe.
Speaker 3: And Finn is a good john. He knows what's up.
Speaker 3: And just then Mike, Finn.
Speaker 1: Like looks like such a cop to me, Like, it's
Speaker 1: just like he does not look I don't know, like.
Speaker 2: No, because he's also is he the cop killer too?
Speaker 2: Like he is iced tea.
Speaker 1: Sure he is iced tea, but he doesn't seem like
Speaker 1: the kind of guy who at any point is picking
Speaker 1: up a team for a blow and go Like, that's
Speaker 1: just not the vibe I get from Finn or from
Speaker 1: Ice or from like. But we know him, yeah, of course,
Speaker 1: of course, of course. But I'm sure think that that
Speaker 1: kid has seen all kinds.
Speaker 2: That's what I mean, Like, we assume no one is
Speaker 2: molesting children which makes it easier for people to molest
Speaker 2: children because they're all doing it. You are, it is
Speaker 2: up to you, and I'm calling child services.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 2: Mike then goes around the world is three hundred, so
Speaker 2: that's upsetting. Around the world means all the holes in
Speaker 2: one session. I looked it up, so all three holes
Speaker 2: is around the world. But Urban Dictionary did have other
Speaker 2: explanations in this capacity. I know what it is, but
Speaker 2: it also means rimming situation like a circle around the butthole.
Speaker 3: And then the third.
Speaker 2: Urban Dictionary explanation is licking from the top of an
Speaker 2: ascract to the bottom than up the.
Speaker 3: Pussy and dick.
Speaker 2: Oh, but in terms of where we're coming from, I
Speaker 2: think it's every hole. Yeah, Vinn says, well, this car's
Speaker 2: too small for what I want to do. Let's take
Speaker 2: a ride, and the dude goes yes. So then Stabler
Speaker 2: approaches him and immediately the fighting. I mean, this young
Speaker 2: actor is very talented. Like the thrashing, fighting, screaming and
Speaker 2: pain that he does throughout this whole episode is masterclass.
Speaker 2: And he's crawling he like does not want to be punished,
Speaker 2: and he goes, you don't understand. You have to let
Speaker 2: me go. They'll get punished. Stabler calms him down, and
Speaker 2: then we see that there's bloody marks all over his
Speaker 2: back and body, and it horrifies the detectives. He kneels
Speaker 2: and cries and says, they'll get punished. Please let me go,
Speaker 2: They'll get punished, she repeats, and he starts thrashing as
Speaker 2: we stare at his giant wounds that are as giant
Speaker 2: as his whole back. In the cop car, he's pushing
Speaker 2: against the door and windows, screaming, let me out, you bitches.
Speaker 2: They also want to know how to help Jasmine Stable
Speaker 2: and Benson really come with us. She's like, uh uh,
Speaker 2: you see his back. My daddy is good to me.
Speaker 2: He would never do that. She does give them the
Speaker 2: info that they need that he travels an hour to
Speaker 2: get to the city, but does it no more. And
Speaker 2: they again try to protect her and give her a
Speaker 2: place to stay and get her counseling, and she says,
Speaker 2: all you're doing is man making sure I get smacked.
Speaker 2: And they're like, wait, you said he didn't mistreat you,
Speaker 2: and you're getting hit, and she goes, well, my stepdad
Speaker 2: did a lot worse, so can I go now?
Speaker 3: And they say please just wait.
Speaker 2: And then Finn is about to zip time Mica, but
Speaker 2: they don't want him to. They're like, what the fuck,
Speaker 2: Like he's probably been you know, he is tied up
Speaker 2: and has ligature marks, so like the zip tie is going.
Speaker 3: To scare him.
Speaker 2: But also I don't get why they're not just bringing
Speaker 2: him to the precinct faster, like get him into a room,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, and feed him. I don't
Speaker 2: understand why they have to like sit him in the
Speaker 2: car for this long. They don't know what to do
Speaker 2: because he's flipping out, but they don't want to tie
Speaker 2: him up because that's trauma. But now he starts banging
Speaker 2: his head against the windows so hard they have to
Speaker 2: take him out. Stable grabs him and goes, just calm
Speaker 2: down and you can get untied, and he breathes a
Speaker 2: little softer. We're at the hospital and there's evidence of
Speaker 2: repeated sexual penetrations, severe malnutrition. He is a human trafficking victim,
Speaker 2: and the doc says, oh, that makes total sense. And
Speaker 2: on top of that, he also has farm pesticide stuff
Speaker 2: in his blood, calloused hands and this is all just
Speaker 2: so upsetting. He asks if he has any family or
Speaker 2: any help through counseling or treatment. And you were like, well,
Speaker 2: the father lives in a fucking car, but we'll find
Speaker 2: him now. So Staylor's like, we need to talk to Micah.
Speaker 2: And the doctor says, well, I hope you have better
Speaker 2: luck than me. They enter his room cautiously. He's so silent,
Speaker 2: and he's like, you should have let me go. You're
Speaker 2: gonna get them killed. And they say, tell us where
Speaker 2: they are, we'll get them out. He goes, you're a
Speaker 2: liars and everybody lies. Nobody does something for nothing, and
Speaker 2: Staylor says, I do. And now Dan Goldberg walks in.
Speaker 2: Micah's guardian at Lydtum, assigned by family court, and you
Speaker 2: can't interrogate my client. Benson says, it's not an interrogation,
Speaker 2: it's an interview either way, good vibe. Staylor says, let's
Speaker 2: go outside, so they exit the room in the hallway
Speaker 2: to chat. And this guy he is well known. He
Speaker 2: was in Maria Bamford's show on Netflix. He played her manager.
Speaker 2: And he's also in one of my favorite movies, in
Speaker 2: a World, and he plays the dad in it, so
Speaker 2: that's exciting.
Speaker 1: Wait, he also plays the father in Wait, I have
Speaker 1: to look this up.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, wait, do you know his name? I'm looking
Speaker 3: it up. Fred Melamed.
Speaker 1: Sorry, he's in Casual and he plays the main people's
Speaker 1: father and he's like this complete narcissist and.
Speaker 3: They have like a complicated relationship with their parents. He
Speaker 3: is really good.
Speaker 1: He's in so much like he this man has seven
Speaker 1: things in pre pro I mean like in upcoming, Like
Speaker 1: he feels like he's so prolific.
Speaker 3: Fred Melamed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's really great and I've only seen him in
Speaker 2: like sillier parts, so but whatever. So he, you know,
Speaker 2: is stopping this interrogation, like this chat from happening, and
Speaker 2: the detectives are trying to help Mike guy, you know,
Speaker 2: so Sailor takes him outside in the hallway to chat
Speaker 2: and this guy.
Speaker 1: My question is also like where has this man been?
Speaker 1: Because like I'm a CASA, you know, and he's a
Speaker 1: gal guardian Adltam is gal and like there's some time
Speaker 1: I'm like considered like it'll be like costas slash gal
Speaker 1: or whatever, and I'm kind of like, have you not
Speaker 1: been checking it? Who called you? How did you get involved?
Speaker 1: Like at this juncture when things are really bad, do
Speaker 1: you think he just joined like they just got him.
Speaker 1: They're like, you gave the Hosco mind.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: Maybe Saila breaks it down to him, but the guy
Speaker 2: is like, I'm sorry. Until he is no longer a
Speaker 2: suspect in his sister's murder, he is off limits, like
Speaker 2: I'm here to protect him. Benson goes, you are risking
Speaker 2: the lives of other children, but he thinks he's doing
Speaker 2: the right thing in protecting Micah. So Finn and Craigan
Speaker 2: are standing outside the mobile unit and Craigan is fuming.
Speaker 2: The construction workers are just hanging around and they're not
Speaker 2: working because they're union guys. So I just love Craigan
Speaker 2: being upset. Benson and Stadler are approaching sunglasses. They can't
Speaker 2: get Mica to talk. The DA doesn't want to prosecute
Speaker 2: an abuse victim as an adult for murder, and then
Speaker 2: Finn says, this kid's going to juvenile lock up or
Speaker 2: a psych ward. Benson says, either way, Goldberg isn't gonna
Speaker 2: let him anywhere near us, so unless we give him
Speaker 2: something he needs, So what is that? Craigan says, let's
Speaker 2: get a psych evaluation of intent, and like when he
Speaker 2: was chasing his sister down, Sabler thinks family court will
Speaker 2: cut him loose, but if they can find out that
Speaker 2: he didn't mean to kill his sister, So Craigan's gonna
Speaker 2: call doctor Huang. So we hear Beadie Wong's voice say Micah,
Speaker 2: don't hold your breath, and we see an angry Micah.
Speaker 2: Poor boy, he wants out. He starts screaming to be out.
Speaker 2: He says, I'll open the door, but you are not
Speaker 2: allowed to go out. He respects the boundaries and says
Speaker 2: that he hates locks and chains, and it's dark and
Speaker 2: musty and it smells rotten. So he was kept in
Speaker 2: a cellar, and he was locked up on a farm
Speaker 2: in a cellar, so that's why they opened the door,
Speaker 2: so like, you know, not to trigger him. So he said,
Speaker 2: any mistake and every single kid gets beat, so no
Speaker 2: one can make some mistakes. No marks on the girls
Speaker 2: because men don't want them ugly. And Huang asks for like, well,
Speaker 2: what happened the first day on the farm, and Micah
Speaker 2: begins to pace. So Magda drove him there and she
Speaker 2: was nice, sweet ice cream, played games, but then he
Speaker 2: was left with Liam and they just know him as
Speaker 2: just Liam Benson and stabler are with the lawyer and
Speaker 2: is like, we can't protect him from his abuser if
Speaker 2: you keep doing what you're doing.
Speaker 3: Is that what you want?
Speaker 2: He says, you know, I don't. But until the judge rules,
Speaker 2: my hands are tied.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 2: Wang is, you know, talking to Micah and he goes,
Speaker 2: he made sure you never paid off your debt, didn't
Speaker 2: he And you're on the hook for everything, food, water, shelter.
Speaker 2: And then sadly the sex started. So the money was
Speaker 2: so good that he wanted more money. So then the
Speaker 2: farm trips turned into motel trips, and then on the
Speaker 2: weekends he spent on the knee, on his knees, taking
Speaker 2: one right after another. And like the thing is the
Speaker 2: price is so cheap, Like if the money is good,
Speaker 2: that means he's working so fucking much. It gets worse.
Speaker 2: Wait till we get to the next part. Yeah, he
Speaker 2: kicks the chair. He's upset and mad. Ten of them,
Speaker 2: there's ten of them total, and six of them made
Speaker 2: money from sex. And then he says and Carly, and
Speaker 2: he breathes, have a and b d Wong says, you're
Speaker 2: safe here, have a heliens in He goes.
Speaker 3: What happened? To the others.
Speaker 2: So we worked days and we work nights, and we
Speaker 2: didn't always get to eat, not even like what we picked.
Speaker 2: We only ate scraps and garbage from composts, unless the
Speaker 2: girls were pregnant, then we ate real good. So there
Speaker 2: were three babies born, and so during those times they
Speaker 2: got to eat well. But the babies were taken away
Speaker 2: right away and never seen again.
Speaker 3: He says. Carly wanted her baby, and it didn't matter
Speaker 3: how she got it. It was hers.
Speaker 2: But they don't know what happened to the baby. B
Speaker 2: d Wong looks so disgusted and desperate to help him,
Speaker 2: but like you know, he needs to take a moment,
Speaker 2: so he walks out and he goes. They need to
Speaker 2: catch these animals, he asked. Did you ever notice any
Speaker 2: landmarks or road signs when you went to these motels?
Speaker 2: He says, I usually keep my eyes shut. The car
Speaker 2: rides make me sick. Carl would rub his belly to
Speaker 2: make him feel better. His sister took care of him,
Speaker 2: and he's crying at this point. We took care of
Speaker 2: each other, he says, and she tried to leave. If
Speaker 2: she left, they would beat us. Carly knew how bad
Speaker 2: they would beat us. Why would she try to run?
Speaker 2: Bd Wong explains, well, maybe she was trying to get help,
Speaker 2: and he starts to freak out.
Speaker 3: No no, no, no, no, no no, no, please don't
Speaker 3: say that.
Speaker 2: He knocks down the chair and starts Thrashinghuang is trying
Speaker 2: to figure out what's going on. He's crying because if
Speaker 2: she was really trying to save them, then like uh oh,
Speaker 2: and bd Wong goes, what did you do? He goes,
Speaker 2: I killed Carly. I pushed her and she got hit
Speaker 2: and he starts crying. Stabler nods, we hear Micah say,
Speaker 2: I didn't know she was trying to save us. I
Speaker 2: killed my sister. Huang niels and puts his hand down
Speaker 2: his shoulder as he cries. Stabler's like, we need to
Speaker 2: find this bitch. He tells the lawyer man like, we
Speaker 2: need to go through mug books, like we need to
Speaker 2: do this, lawyer. The lawyer says, that's doctor Huang's call,
Speaker 2: so he's recommending immunity and witness protection.
Speaker 3: Thank god.
Speaker 2: The lawyer doesn't think that any family court judge is
Speaker 2: going to accept that. Howang goes, I don't fucking care
Speaker 2: a federal court judge will accept it, and I'm the
Speaker 2: FBI and I'm taking over. Benson's like, wait, slow down.
Speaker 2: What he goes human trafficking, sex trafficking, the man act
Speaker 2: like transporting miners across state lines, all violating US codes.
Speaker 2: He says, I have to call my boss. Sablor fights
Speaker 2: the and goes, no, Micah isn't going anywhere. Bidie Wong
Speaker 2: opens his mouth like jaw to the floor, like excuse me,
Speaker 2: and slowly walks back and goes, and how are you
Speaker 2: gonna stop me? And say, Butler's trying to big dick him,
Speaker 2: and goes, You're not the only one with the FEDS
Speaker 2: on speed dial. It's like it's that speed dial. He
Speaker 2: is the FBI, Like I can't believe Stabler's trying to
Speaker 2: big time him. And it's like you have him on call.
Speaker 2: He has the badge bitch.
Speaker 3: I know, but I kind of get what Stabler.
Speaker 1: Like in this moment, I feel like Huang is only
Speaker 1: looking out for Micah, and Stabler and Benson are looking
Speaker 1: at the bigger picture of like what's going on with
Speaker 1: the other kids, Like we got to find these other
Speaker 1: fucking kids. They're in danger right now. And I think
Speaker 1: that's where this is all stumming from. Yeah, So they
Speaker 1: have a stare off into the blackness. So we open
Speaker 1: up and Benson and Stabler are visiting Gloria Rubin, who's
Speaker 1: playing assistant US Attorney Christine Danielson.
Speaker 3: She's a Neil Bear. She's a Neil Bear.
Speaker 2: Darling.
Speaker 3: Oh, I mean, I always know Glory.
Speaker 1: I always remember Gloria Rubin from her role on Er
Speaker 1: where she played a doctor with HIV and that was
Speaker 1: like one of the first like that was like such
Speaker 1: an important character. I feel, wow, you know, and that's
Speaker 1: like always how I knew her. But then I know
Speaker 1: she's been in as few other times as well. But
Speaker 1: like she is, she's a Neil Bear, fab I feel.
Speaker 2: And Saber's like, wow, you've moved up in the world.
Speaker 2: And she's like, why are you guys here?
Speaker 3: You got this?
Speaker 2: The case is slid. Why do you have to bring
Speaker 2: me in? And so they just and then she starts
Speaker 2: talking numbers. So globally about twenty seven million people are trafficked,
Speaker 2: and in the US that's fourteen to eighteen thousand, but
Speaker 2: she thinks that number is low. She then says, how
Speaker 2: like if a girl from Indonesia is trafficked here and
Speaker 2: she's found, she gets aid in services, but if it's
Speaker 2: a girl from New York, she gets nothing. She goes
Speaker 2: to a TV screen and starts showing photos and chatting
Speaker 2: about victims. And this is just like a pure lesson time.
Speaker 2: This does not move the plot in any capacity, but
Speaker 2: it does help us understand what's really going on, and
Speaker 2: it's really sad. So we first see a fourteen year
Speaker 2: old girl who's enslaved by a suburban family in Minnesota.
Speaker 2: She cooks and cleans and sleeps in the closet, and
Speaker 2: it's like, who is this family? You know, like a
Speaker 2: regular family just has a child, because I bet they
Speaker 2: have children, but it's different than this girl. And they
Speaker 2: keep her in the closet. It's like it's sickening. It's
Speaker 2: so I can't even imagine. And then to clean and cook,
Speaker 2: it's so cha like it's affordable. We have someone come
Speaker 2: to the house, you know, every a couple of weeks,
Speaker 2: every month. It's a it's an affordable price. I don't
Speaker 2: understand why you'd need a child's slave.
Speaker 1: So then then if it's not affordable clean your own
Speaker 1: fucking house, you don't get a child's slave.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, yeah, even if you can't afford it.
Speaker 2: I'm not okay with child slavery. Let me go on
Speaker 2: the record.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: So then there's a twelve year old sold by her
Speaker 2: mother for five grand to a middle aged man who
Speaker 2: shared her with his friends. And now a nine year
Speaker 2: old girl in Portland tossed to the street by her
Speaker 2: grandmother and she got taken by a pimp who charged
Speaker 2: premium prece for someone so young. Just reminds me when
Speaker 2: parents talk about having unconditional love for their kids and
Speaker 2: how that's not guaranteed. Yeah, She's like, for each one saved,
Speaker 2: there eight more like them, and there's not much else
Speaker 2: to do, like without funding for domestic victims. So what
Speaker 2: happens to Micah's friends when we find them? And she says,
Speaker 2: I promise I'll take care of them and protect them.
Speaker 2: I'll use my budget and we'll figure it out. But
Speaker 2: she hasn't decided yet if she's going to take their bait,
Speaker 2: and they look confused and shocked by the statement. Benson's
Speaker 2: mouth is open wide, and Sailor says, we did the legwork,
Speaker 2: and she's like, well, I have the task force, the
Speaker 2: funding and the personnel I need, And then I'm thinking,
Speaker 2: should have stuck with long, you idiots. But then Benson
Speaker 2: leans in and goes, yeah, and your personnel isn't familiar
Speaker 2: with the case and they need to be read in
Speaker 2: and that's a waste of time, and we need to
Speaker 2: save these kids. And Sailor adds that Manhattan is yet
Speaker 2: to ever make one sex traffic conviction, and we can
Speaker 2: make a local example with this. She thinks about it.
Speaker 2: Benson looks worried in her eyes. Stabler pleads, please please
Speaker 2: help us out, so she shakes her head and then goes,
Speaker 2: give me your tin.
Speaker 3: That's the badge. So they switch their badges.
Speaker 2: They give their NYPD badges, they get us Marshall deputy badges,
Speaker 2: and I'm wondering, like, lol, how did she have those
Speaker 2: badges just ready, two badges ready to give to random people,
Speaker 2: And so they swap them out and with these credentials
Speaker 2: they can work outside of their jurisdiction. Benson smiles really
Speaker 2: cheeky vibes, and then they raise their right hand and
Speaker 2: take an oath. Finn is staring at the boy in
Speaker 2: the hospital through glass, at Micah with his lawyer, Stable
Speaker 2: and Benson run in and Stabler is like pumped to
Speaker 2: have screwed over Huang and it bothers me and I
Speaker 2: just I don't get it. He's like, so, how mad
Speaker 2: is Huang about the bad news? And Finn gives Finn goes,
Speaker 2: why don't you give him some space? He used words
Speaker 2: I've never heard him use, and he asks to see
Speaker 2: the badges and they're like showing these badges off like
Speaker 2: little children. So then Gloria Rubin runs in and knows Finn.
Speaker 2: I mean she's from you know, she's from four episod,
Speaker 2: So it's going back to two thousand and two. She
Speaker 2: did play a different character, but they do know this person.
Speaker 2: And she asks how Micah is doing identifying people and
Speaker 2: he has matched seven possible matches, but he ran through
Speaker 2: something and there's nothing, and then all of a sudden
Speaker 2: he sees a photo and he starts thrashing. He gets
Speaker 2: up violently, so the lawyer runs to the window and
Speaker 2: shows them the photo and it's Victoria Raised and we
Speaker 2: obviously hate her. Akakiki Ramos lots of akash has tons
Speaker 2: of names, and they're going to add Magna a Paloma
Speaker 2: to the list of names. She's served time in Maryland
Speaker 2: and they haven't been able to find her since her
Speaker 2: record is sealed because she flipped for a deal and
Speaker 2: got witness protection. Even with those badges, they can't get
Speaker 2: into that folder. Benson and Stablar are like, hmm, maybe
Speaker 2: the AUSA assigned to the case has access, and Gloria goes,
Speaker 2: we're very territorial, so stupid. So then the a USA
Speaker 2: is the United States Attorney's Office and Staylor breaks it down,
Speaker 2: what kind of press do you want?
Speaker 3: Live victims are dead kids? She sighs.
Speaker 2: She looks off to think. So they go and they
Speaker 2: try to see what they can do. So they're at
Speaker 2: Federal Correctional Institution interview room in Danbury, Connecticut, Sunday, October third.
Speaker 2: She's pleading with a tall string being of a man
Speaker 2: who is like, this, better not mess up my case.
Speaker 3: Bullshit.
Speaker 2: We've heard this so many times. And it's like you're
Speaker 2: always wrong, Like these men are always wrong. They're wrong
Speaker 2: constantly and never learn a lesson. And it reminds you
Speaker 2: of con Air, which Kara did recently watch for the
Speaker 2: first time. Yes, and it's like that angry dude and
Speaker 2: it's like he was wrong like seven times in that episode.
Speaker 2: I mean in that movie and would not stop yelling
Speaker 2: and demanding things. It's like, fuck you, you stupid men
Speaker 2: in charge are always wrong. So behind him, though, is
Speaker 2: the bitch Poloma sitting behind glass and she says she's
Speaker 2: not talking with that immunity, and they're like, yeah, she
Speaker 2: has it, and he seems shocked.
Speaker 3: They're like he's like, fuck, how big is your case?
Speaker 2: And she has no patience since she snaps, quit fishing,
Speaker 2: tell your witness to cooperate. She gives lip and says,
Speaker 2: I don't have to talk to you, and she gets
Speaker 2: right in there in her face. Fine, then I will
Speaker 2: vacate the deal you have on the table right now,
Speaker 2: no witness protection, no immunity, and the lawyer yells, you
Speaker 2: can't do that, and Gloria Rubin goes, you're threatening my
Speaker 2: human trafficking case. I can and I will. My case
Speaker 2: is bigger and the AG loves headlines. I mean, besides
Speaker 2: the horrific cases, learning all these acronyms seems so hard
Speaker 2: for the job, Like how do you remember every single initial?
Speaker 3: There's just so many letters and codes. It's like I
Speaker 3: don't understand.
Speaker 2: So she shimmy's in her chair Sabler walks over and
Speaker 2: opens a folder with Mikeah and Carly, and it's just
Speaker 2: so sad that what they've been through. She looks down
Speaker 2: and smiles and says, yeah, got a thousand bucks seats.
Speaker 2: She's cold, she's cold blooded, she's smugs. She doesn't feel bad.
Speaker 2: But also this woman, I looked her up. She has
Speaker 2: barely any credit. She should be working more. I think
Speaker 2: she plays soulless very very well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's good.
Speaker 2: She thinks about it and takes the breath before revealing
Speaker 2: it's Liam and Julie Ryan want to be farmers, but
Speaker 2: she's never seen the farm.
Speaker 3: Fuck.
Speaker 2: The guy was careful and he would meet and pick
Speaker 2: up the case. We talked on burn phones that he
Speaker 2: would give me, and he said he needed some merchandise
Speaker 2: to work on the fields, and I got it for him.
Speaker 3: Where did they meet?
Speaker 2: So they met at a farm and feed store in
Speaker 2: some town called Hyan donk Yan Dank whatever. She delivered
Speaker 2: seven kids and even says I heard they turn those
Speaker 2: kids out. Evil bitch isn't worried. They ask if she
Speaker 2: knew any of their names, and she says, I didn't ask.
Speaker 2: I didn't care. All you saw was Dollar signs hunt.
Speaker 2: She's like yeah, and of course she then gets pissed
Speaker 2: and says, well, no one came to my rescue.
Speaker 3: That's all we are Dollar Signed. So it's classic, you know.
Speaker 2: Obviously she was abused forever and now she has no
Speaker 2: care for anybody and wants them to suffer as much
Speaker 2: as she did. So I bet her and the girl
Speaker 2: from Damaged would get along. I hope they meet in
Speaker 2: jail one day. I feel like Ari Grainer and this
Speaker 2: evil bitch can be soulless in jail together, making friendship bracelets,
Speaker 2: let's say mean things.
Speaker 1: She's like the She's like Laura Gomez, who we interviewed
Speaker 1: her character remember from like where she's helped to traffic
Speaker 1: the girls. Yeah, because she was trafficked herself, Like yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: And so yeah, hopefully she meets her in jail too.
Speaker 2: They can all like reminisce. So then she reveals something bad.
Speaker 2: So she worked, she only worked with them for less
Speaker 2: than a year and recently stopped. I guess she does
Speaker 2: have limits because she heard her rumor they burned some
Speaker 2: workers when the heat was closing in. So they kill kids,
Speaker 2: they burn them, and yeah, awful. It keeps getting worse.
Speaker 2: So illegals, she says, are too scared to talk, so
Speaker 2: they just have to kill the kids. And that happened
Speaker 2: in Florida, and they made the kids drink kool aid,
Speaker 2: So this is on par with charisma. Like I think
Speaker 2: this is the most dark, horrible situation ever, Like that
Speaker 2: was a bunch of dead kids and now this, I
Speaker 2: it's just it's just dark. So Benson says, there's no
Speaker 2: record of them buying anything in Suffolk County, no bank accounts,
Speaker 2: no credit, They're paying cash.
Speaker 3: Tailor then does have a great idea.
Speaker 2: Let's fax over the photos of them to the farm
Speaker 2: and feed store and see if they're regulars there. Benson nods,
Speaker 2: Finn's on the computer getting scooped. So they lost their
Speaker 2: farm in Maryland due to foreclosure. They moved to North
Speaker 2: Carolina and then Florida, and they must have skipped down
Speaker 2: before Sarasota ped could question them after neighbors reported they
Speaker 2: had illegal labor. And when they got there they found
Speaker 2: all these bodies of children cyanide with grape juice. Craigan
Speaker 2: runs in with a little paper in his hand. The
Speaker 2: Ryan's are releasing ten acres off the books from a
Speaker 2: farmer that just went bankrupt. So Stabler and Benson are
Speaker 2: driving like so fast, and Finn's gonna have Suffolk County
Speaker 2: PD meet them there.
Speaker 3: Stabler is very clear, no lights, no sirens. We can't
Speaker 3: spook them or the kids will die.
Speaker 2: So Gloria is in the backseat of the car and
Speaker 2: she's calling to get warrants set and first responders ready
Speaker 2: on hand with cyanide kits. It's a dirt, bumpy road
Speaker 2: and there's a truck driving at them. They start playing chicken.
Speaker 2: Benson hangs out the door with a gun ready to shoot.
Speaker 2: They fly off the road and the detectives get them
Speaker 2: with guns. They put their hands out the windows right away.
Speaker 2: They're not playing games right now, and it's just like
Speaker 2: the plainest looking blonde woman I've ever seen, Like.
Speaker 3: Like what we assume criminals look like. They are not.
Speaker 3: They are there.
Speaker 5: This is it.
Speaker 2: Benson and Gloria rushed to the farm. They gotta help
Speaker 2: these kids. Benson enters, gun up, Hello, is anybody there?
Speaker 2: She announces she's a police officer, and then she remembers,
Speaker 2: oh my god, the root seller. We gotta go underground.
Speaker 2: She goes underground. There's children chained up. It is so sad,
Speaker 2: and the chains are all like they it pulls all
Speaker 2: their arms over their heads because there's like a thin
Speaker 2: pole and Benson's trying to tear down the pole so
Speaker 2: to get all the chains down. The kids are puking,
Speaker 2: they've already been poisoned. The EMTs start coming in. He
Speaker 2: and the EMT has all the stuff needed in the
Speaker 2: cyanide kit. And this actor was probably so stressed, or
Speaker 2: maybe they got a real EMT because he had to
Speaker 2: say hydrox hydro.
Speaker 3: Oxacobolaman in.
Speaker 2: Hydri and see kobalaman Yeah, should bind the crystals, he says,
Speaker 2: and then a thiosulfate IVY and a hyperbaric oxygen. But
Speaker 2: that's a tough audition. That's a tough audition, but it's
Speaker 2: a small enough part. Like I wonder if they were
Speaker 2: able to get a real EMT. Yeah, but you know,
Speaker 2: we've talked to people who have memorized Wilder. So but
Speaker 2: he only has a ten to fifteen minute window to
Speaker 2: save these kids. There's so many kids, and I hope
Speaker 2: they're able to do it. This is horrible. Another EMT joins,
Speaker 2: and the faces on Benson and Stabler are pained. They
Speaker 2: are in pain, and this is just so sad and
Speaker 2: to think that kids are living like this. So the
Speaker 2: scum criminals are being shackled and put into separate cop cars,
Speaker 2: and I'm so happy they're going to be locked away
Speaker 2: for fucking life. They're dressed bad, they're clearly the worst people,
Speaker 2: but like unassuming as fuck. And then they're they're in
Speaker 2: full body chains and so that's like cool. Gloria goes, wow,
Speaker 2: full body chains and Stabler goes, they're lucky they're not
Speaker 2: in body bags. And they invoke right away. Obviously their
Speaker 2: career criminals. They found a laptop, they found tons of cash.
Speaker 2: Hopefully they'll be able to find like all the kids
Speaker 2: that they sold. And they do have to switch their
Speaker 2: badges out though, so they get to do a little
Speaker 2: swap on the badges. Thank you, Benson says, and Gloria says.
Speaker 2: The door is always open. And they're at Bellevue and
Speaker 2: Micah's in bed and now you know, the dad's in
Speaker 2: the hospital. He goes, fuck, my daughter is dead and
Speaker 2: my son killed her and it is your fault, and
Speaker 2: he asks how to fix this, and they go listen,
Speaker 2: it's going to take a lot of time and care,
Speaker 2: but Micah needs counseling and support and you have to
Speaker 2: do it and we need to make sure he feels safe.
Speaker 2: And the dad goes, well, I live in a car,
Speaker 2: and they go not anymore. They talk to a shelter
Speaker 2: geared towards families. It's temporary housing, but all of them
Speaker 2: are getting housing until he can get back on his feet,
Speaker 2: and he is shocked that they're helping him after he
Speaker 2: screwed up so bad, but they know Micah cannot get
Speaker 2: better without him, and I just I hate him. I
Speaker 2: don't know if I was Mike, i'd be pissed to
Speaker 2: my dad, like, I don't know how you get over it.
Speaker 3: I really don't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, selling me to sex traffickers what? The dad nods,
Speaker 2: thanks them and goes towards Micah, who's in the hospital
Speaker 2: bed and begins to cry and says I'm sorry, and
Speaker 2: the dad says, it's not your fault, it's mine and
Speaker 2: we can all agree with that, and then Benson and
Speaker 2: Stabler walk off like the superheroes they are as benson
Speaker 2: hair sways in.
Speaker 3: The wind and that's Dick Wolf baby, dark, thank you
Speaker 3: so much?
Speaker 2: Wow, Yeah, dark dark episode, but seeing little kids in
Speaker 2: chains and a cellar is tough. Like, I wonder who
Speaker 2: those little kids are, their stage parents, they were all there.
Speaker 3: Like, how do you explain it to the kids. It's
Speaker 3: just like a lot I know. Ugh, it's really gross.
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Speaker 3: Okay. So this episode, I think.
Speaker 1: Partially just the beginning part and the brother's sister relationship
Speaker 1: I think is based on the death of Janis Marie Brock.
Speaker 1: She was born in nineteen fifty seven and then at
Speaker 1: some point her parents lost custody and she and her
Speaker 1: younger brother, Timothy were put into foster care.
Speaker 3: So in nineteen sixty nine, at the age of twelve.
Speaker 1: I don't know how old Timothy is, but Janis is twelve,
Speaker 1: and she's Janie Marie, but she goes by Marie mostly
Speaker 1: in her life.
Speaker 2: So she is twelve.
Speaker 1: They get adopted by the youngs of Newport News, Virginia,
Speaker 1: and so there's surnames changed from Brock to Young, so
Speaker 1: now she's Janis Marie Young. Around nineteen seventy two, she's fifteen,
Speaker 1: she is raped by an adoptive sibling, which her younger
Speaker 1: brother witnessed. So she packs her shit into a pillowcase
Speaker 1: and she gets the hell out of there. And her
Speaker 1: and her brother were so close, and he he's like, ah,
Speaker 1: you know, we were like each other's teddy bear, each
Speaker 1: other's comfort blankets. And he's like, we both endured a
Speaker 1: lot of abuse. And when she ran away, I figured
Speaker 1: it would just be for like a little bit, but
Speaker 1: then he never saw her again. So what happened was
Speaker 1: on June ninth, nineteen seventy three, a teenage girl is
Speaker 1: pushed in front of a car and killed in Saint Petersburg, Florida.
Speaker 3: And it's really graphic.
Speaker 1: I mean, like, I know that the sound was graphic
Speaker 1: for you in this episode, but apparently this girl was
Speaker 1: like dragged one hundred feet and like was unrecognizable from
Speaker 1: this this being hit by this car. She'd been fighting
Speaker 1: with a man named Laurence Dorn. Doran said he didn't
Speaker 1: even know her, but had given her and some other
Speaker 1: people a ride and then at the house where he
Speaker 1: dropped them off, he claimed she attacked him with a
Speaker 1: broken bottle and a knife, and he said when he
Speaker 1: shoved her he was acting in self defense. So he
Speaker 1: was charged with her murder, but then later the charge
Speaker 1: was downgraded to manslaughter, and eventually they were the charges
Speaker 1: were dropped altogether because they couldn't prove his intent. And
Speaker 1: this just like reminds me of in the episode where
Speaker 1: they were like, well we got to talk to Mike
Speaker 1: about his intent when he was like when he pushed
Speaker 1: his sister. So that makes me feel like this is,
Speaker 1: you know, loosely borrowed from this. And so this unidentified
Speaker 1: woman had actually been in touch with the police hours earlier.
Speaker 1: The police had stopped to question her, and they had
Speaker 1: given her the name Marie Brock, and since Janice or
Speaker 1: often went by her middle name, and Brock was her
Speaker 1: original last name before she was adopted by these people
Speaker 1: that abused her and let her get sexually assaulted, so
Speaker 1: unable to find her family because they're looking up Marie Brock,
Speaker 1: the police assumed that she'd given them a fake name
Speaker 1: and named her a Jane Doe and she was buried
Speaker 1: in an unmarked grave. But her little brother, Timothy never
Speaker 1: stopped looking for his sister Janice. He looked for her
Speaker 1: for forty two years, but he was always looking for
Speaker 1: her as Janice Young, never as Janice Brock, so then
Speaker 1: one day he finally decides, in like the twenty tens,
Speaker 1: he decides to do a search for Janie Brock and
Speaker 1: he finds a composite sketch on a Facebook post that
Speaker 1: he thought that.
Speaker 3: Kind of looks like my sister.
Speaker 1: Calls the Saint Petersburg police, and then finally in twenty fifteen,
Speaker 1: you know, her body was disinterred in like twenty ten.
Speaker 1: I don't know why this all took so long, but
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen, through DNA testing with her brother, they did
Speaker 1: identify her finally after forty two years as Janice Murray Brock.
Speaker 1: So her brother Timothy lives in North Carolina and he
Speaker 1: keeps her ashes with him in his house, so she's.
Speaker 3: Always with him, and he finally found her.
Speaker 1: So that's like a little bit I think the brothers
Speaker 1: sister and the getting pushed another thing that was listed.
Speaker 1: I mean, this episode is obviously based on sex trafficking
Speaker 1: in general and human trafficking, but I well, I'll start
Speaker 1: with this. So there is an article from two thousand
Speaker 1: and four that The New York Times published which was
Speaker 1: like a huge investigative piece into like the big business
Speaker 1: of sex slaves and sex trafficking in the US, Mexico
Speaker 1: and abroad as well. It tells the stories of a
Speaker 1: lot of young women trafficked from Mexico living as sex slaves.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of young women in Ukraine and Russia
Speaker 1: who sometimes like paid money to go be nannies in
Speaker 1: the US or waitresses in Paris. Like there would be
Speaker 1: big like billboards that were like Paris is waiting for you,
Speaker 1: just like you know, and then they would end up
Speaker 1: going into Mexico where they would get broken down, and
Speaker 1: then they would get sold to US buyers a lot
Speaker 1: of times. So this article refers to a lot of
Speaker 1: these young And this article came out literally right as
Speaker 1: this episode dropped, so this was a hot topic in
Speaker 1: two thousand and four.
Speaker 3: Also, George W.
Speaker 1: Bush made sex trafficking a huge thing, so he's the
Speaker 1: president at the time. So the article refers to the
Speaker 1: young victims in as products or purchases in quote. So
Speaker 1: I think that's like where we got some of this
Speaker 1: inspo for like the title merchandise and for calling them that.
Speaker 3: So they also talk about how a.
Speaker 1: Lot of times women play the role of breaking down
Speaker 1: the children's psychologically, like they bond with them as mother
Speaker 1: figures and then they crush their spirits. So it's a
Speaker 1: lot like the Victoria Raya's character in the episode, Like
Speaker 1: most of these women were once victims and then this
Speaker 1: they eventually move into more you know, supervisory roles in
Speaker 1: these trafficking circles and stuff, and then the abuse and
Speaker 1: cycle of abuse perpetuates and continues. I'm not going to
Speaker 1: recap this entire article because it's twenty years old and
Speaker 1: I'm sure a lot of the info is out of date,
Speaker 1: but i will put it in the source list if
Speaker 1: you want to read it. It's like extremely harrowing. It's
Speaker 1: like the stuff in this episode barely touches it. Because
Speaker 1: the stuff in this episode is a lot about the
Speaker 1: US is obviously about New York. What's in this article
Speaker 1: is a lot about what's happening in Mexico. There's like
Speaker 1: kids being taken as toddlers, as very little children. They
Speaker 1: are being forced to do sex work, oh, for dozens
Speaker 1: of people a day. And like it's like you were
Speaker 1: saying the prices seem cheap for what Micah was doing,
Speaker 1: these girls are doing it for four dollars and fifty cents,
Speaker 1: Like they're doing it for pesos, Like it's really like
Speaker 1: it's unconscionable. And they're like talking about how much they
Speaker 1: could make in a day, and you're like breaking it down.
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, they could make two thousand dollars in
Speaker 1: a day, but they're only getting paid four fifty per
Speaker 1: john Like that's fucked, Like you know, so four dollars
Speaker 1: and fifty cents by the way, So it's really horrible,
Speaker 1: Like it's young girls and boys, they're psychologically and physically
Speaker 1: broken down to be sold to sexual objects.
Speaker 3: It's very stomach turning.
Speaker 1: But I realized in reading this article, how much of
Speaker 1: what they've described I've already like seen on SVU, like
Speaker 1: you know where, like shipping containers coming over with kids
Speaker 1: from other countries, and like even the one of the
Speaker 1: episodes from the first episode of Slaves, you know where
Speaker 1: she's kept under the she comes over from Romania and
Speaker 1: she's kept under a bed like by the psychopath. Like
Speaker 1: so sview does Do has tackled this subject many times,
Speaker 1: and I thought what was interesting is that when I
Speaker 1: was reading about it, I found this interview with Neil
Speaker 1: bhar and Gloria Rubin talking about the episode. So this
Speaker 1: interview was on a website that doesn't even exist anymore.
Speaker 1: I had to find it in the way back machine.
Speaker 1: And what's weird is like there's barely anything to the interview.
Speaker 1: It's like two quotes. It's like, how do you like
Speaker 1: playing this character to Gloria Rubin, She's like, I mean
Speaker 1: pretty good.
Speaker 3: I've only done it once before. Like it was just
Speaker 3: such a weird interview.
Speaker 1: But then in it, Neil Bhaer talks about how he
Speaker 1: was teaching a class at Harvard and talking about sex
Speaker 1: trafficking and a student came up to him and was
Speaker 1: actually telling him about the farm work, like a lot
Speaker 1: of the human trafficking that goes on without the sexual
Speaker 1: element that happens right in the US. So Neil bhr
Speaker 1: is quoted as saying, we hear about sex trafficking, which
Speaker 1: is horrendous, but we don't hear as much about trafficking
Speaker 1: where kids are forced to work on farms and work
Speaker 1: for people in their homes, and so I guess that's
Speaker 1: what he was trying to bring to the forefront in
Speaker 1: this episode. But they definitely just mesh it, like meld
Speaker 1: it with the sexual trafficking that's also going on all
Speaker 1: the time. And I'm sure in real life it can
Speaker 1: cross over. But I found an academic paper while I
Speaker 1: was doing this research called Children in Chains colon on
Speaker 1: the Productive and Exploitative Tendencies of Representation in Law and
Speaker 1: Order Special Victims Unit by Catherine Hampshire from Ball State University.
Speaker 1: I'm not an academic. I don't know how academic this
Speaker 1: paper is. It looked very nice. It looked like it
Speaker 1: was in a beautiful pdf online, so I don't know,
Speaker 1: you know, like if this person is just like a
Speaker 1: random college student publishing this. But there we was just
Speaker 1: some interesting points in it that I wanted to bring up.
Speaker 1: Like in the paper, she talks about how how SVU
Speaker 1: talking about this specific branch of trafficking is productive in
Speaker 1: that it expands the discourse about trafficking to include children
Speaker 1: forced into labor and other practices outside of sex, slavery,
Speaker 1: and prostitution, because that's where a lot of the attention
Speaker 1: tends to lie. She also says that it reveals the
Speaker 1: traumatic implications that these experiences can have on their victims
Speaker 1: based on real life experience, Like she quotes a person
Speaker 1: who works with real life child trafficking victims named Danielle
Speaker 1: Nico Lescu, who says the analyzed sub jacks show us
Speaker 1: that the forms of abuse which the child endured while
Speaker 1: being traffic have disastrous consequences on the emotional balance and
Speaker 1: on the general behavior of children. End quote, which seems obvious,
Speaker 1: but that includes Stockholm syndrome, panic, PTSD, anxiety, and often
Speaker 1: victims on SVU they show them dealing with these traumatic experiences.
Speaker 1: So those were her positives, and then her negatives were
Speaker 1: like showing the kids back and his like bruises and
Speaker 1: cuts and stuff. What is exploitative and that can like
Speaker 1: that kind of thing would retraumatize a victim, handcuffing him
Speaker 1: and acting like that's the only way he can be approached.
Speaker 1: Like she had other problems with the episode, but it
Speaker 1: was it was, you know, definitely giving props to the
Speaker 1: episode for talking about the farm work part of it.
Speaker 2: It's exploitative because I think it shows the viewer, like me,
Speaker 2: how fuck fucked fucked up it is and how evil
Speaker 2: they are and the desperation he felt, yeah, for pushing
Speaker 2: his sister, and because it's confusing, and then when you
Speaker 2: see these welts and you see that all these other
Speaker 2: children's lives are dependent on you returning Like, yeah, I
Speaker 2: think it adds to the vicious like nature of these
Speaker 2: fucking criminals and like what these kids are going through.
Speaker 3: But you know, I can see where she's coming from.
Speaker 1: I guess yeah, No, I mean totally totally. And SVU
Speaker 1: treads the line of this all the time. I mean, ultimately,
Speaker 1: all of this is entertainment. It's all for entertainment, but
Speaker 1: the show does like educate and bring up like so
Speaker 1: much of this article from two thousand and four, which
Speaker 1: I'm sure was a bombshell at the time. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I've seen all of this in SVU, Like I've seen
Speaker 1: like all of this, like mothers that are like I
Speaker 1: don't know where my child is, or they can talk
Speaker 1: on the phone and they're like mom, like they're in
Speaker 1: their parents are in Mexico, they're in Queens and they're like,
Speaker 1: I don't know where I am. I don't know if
Speaker 1: I can ever get back to you. And then this
Speaker 1: our article that this guy wrote in The Times, like
Speaker 1: is really well researched, Like this man went to dangerous
Speaker 1: places to talk to child trafficking victims, to pimps, madams,
Speaker 1: like all kinds of people. He had to go to
Speaker 1: places in Mexico where people were like, oh, if you
Speaker 1: go there, the cops protect this trafficking ring, like you're
Speaker 1: not going to get any info. And so like he
Speaker 1: would have to go in with like like help from
Speaker 1: federal help, like you know, representatives from the Mexican government
Speaker 1: or whatever to try to like get to talk and
Speaker 1: get these facts about this this whole epidemic, and it's
Speaker 1: really horrible and I do feel like it's going on still.
Speaker 1: There's like all these there's these moms that are like
Speaker 1: in the article that are just naming kids in their
Speaker 1: neighborhoods like oh, yeah, she's gone, she's gone, she's gone.
Speaker 3: Like these girls get pulled off the street.
Speaker 1: Like I think that stuff does happen, and I think
Speaker 1: it's it was happening in Mexico at that time. A
Speaker 1: lot of these rings have been broken up since there
Speaker 1: was a huge Russian Ukrainian one that was that was
Speaker 1: broken up in the early two thousands before this article
Speaker 1: came out, so you know, they are working to break
Speaker 1: that down. And it's really sad because when they talk
Speaker 1: to a couple of these victims, they are so anonymous,
Speaker 1: like there are names or they don't even want their
Speaker 1: initials printed in the article because they're like, I can't
Speaker 1: even deal with what they'll do to my family if
Speaker 1: I even get suspected.
Speaker 3: But there a lot of them say, you.
Speaker 1: Know, you get to a point where you don't even
Speaker 1: want to go home to your family because you're like,
Speaker 1: who even am I now? Like what will they even
Speaker 1: think of me? Like I've been gone for so long
Speaker 1: and this is what I've become. Like it's just so
Speaker 1: sad and dark. But at the same time, like I've
Speaker 1: said it before, I do think that some of the
Speaker 1: child trafficking and sex trafficking shit that has proliferated in
Speaker 1: the US now on TikTok hugely is.
Speaker 3: A lot in a lot of ways garbage.
Speaker 1: Like I mean, I've seen videos of women like holding
Speaker 1: up a receipt that has a smiley face on it
Speaker 1: on TikTok going this is how they this is how
Speaker 1: they track you for trafficking, or like if you find
Speaker 1: a zip tie on the front of your car, don't
Speaker 1: take it off. Someone's trafficking trying to mark you for trafficking.
Speaker 1: Like this kind of stuff is crazy, and so I
Speaker 1: as always like to direct people to the you're wrong about.
Speaker 1: So that's called human trafficking'll I've put it in the
Speaker 1: sources for this episode, so you can go directly there
Speaker 1: to listen to it, because they take they have a
Speaker 1: really well rounded view of trafficking, wherein they point out
Speaker 1: what they try to show in this episode, which is
Speaker 1: that it's extremely common for people to just be trafficked
Speaker 1: for labor and to be mistreated on farms where they
Speaker 1: are forced to work never paid, you know, exposed to
Speaker 1: pesticides like, you know, exposed to harmful conditions hypothermia, heat stroke,
Speaker 1: like all this stuff, and it's just not necessarily the
Speaker 1: they're going to pluck a suburban woman off the streets
Speaker 1: of Chicago, you know, while she's jogging the way that
Speaker 1: some people think it is like, and they do a
Speaker 1: much better job than I can explaining this and a
Speaker 1: lot of the like I was reading in this interview
Speaker 1: with Gloria Rubin and Neilbaert that they were like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we really wanted to get out the statistics and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. But then that was in two thousand and
Speaker 1: four when this was popping off, and since then, it
Speaker 1: feels like a lot of the statistics have been debunked,
Speaker 1: you know, like if you call like the nickmic, which
Speaker 1: we have used as a source and as what would
Speaker 1: sister PEG do before? The National Center for Exploited and
Speaker 1: Missing Children, they have certain numbers that will come out,
Speaker 1: but that's based on people that just call in, and
Speaker 1: if there's a whiff of child trafficking, they will put
Speaker 1: that down as someone who's like a child trafficking victim.
Speaker 1: That's not necessarily what's happening. They'll double count people. If
Speaker 1: a kid runs away seven times, that kid might be
Speaker 1: counted seven times as a runaway who's possibly being child trafficked.
Speaker 1: There's just a lot more to it than these huge
Speaker 1: numbers of right now, while we're sitting here, thirty thousand
Speaker 1: kids are being trafficked. It's like not It's not as
Speaker 1: cut and dry with these statistics, and a lot of
Speaker 1: them are flawed and have been debunked.
Speaker 2: So I think what they did a good job with
Speaker 2: is showing that it's like family that sells you, because
Speaker 2: I it's really easy to get behind the idea that
Speaker 2: some far away traffickers are abusing children, and it's a
Speaker 2: lot harder to believe the children in front of you
Speaker 2: that are telling you, they're being abused and mistreated by
Speaker 2: family members, trusted members of community. And that's why I
Speaker 2: think with this panic and that you know QAnon movie
Speaker 2: and on TikTok I show up, it's like women grabbing
Speaker 2: their child's foot in a stroller as they're at Target,
Speaker 2: so no one takes their kid. And it's like, that's
Speaker 2: actually easier to panic about that than to do something
Speaker 2: about when your fucking brother is molesting someone or a
Speaker 2: grandma sells someone. So it's like, yeah, it kind of
Speaker 2: My latest uber driver was a Jehovah's witness and he
Speaker 2: was he was really working it. I had to be like, honey,
Speaker 2: wrong tree, Like it's not gonna happen. But you know,
Speaker 2: I'm chatty. We're chatting. We're chatting, and then we actually
Speaker 2: start talking about wildly. I bring up I don't know
Speaker 2: how we got here, but about how black women die
Speaker 2: giving birth so much, and how fucked up it is
Speaker 2: and how women aren't believed when they go to the
Speaker 2: doctor and that it's dangerous and all this stuff. I
Speaker 2: don't even know how we got there. And he turns
Speaker 2: and he goes, that's what I'm saying. I'm just waiting
Speaker 2: for God and to come down and save this for us.
Speaker 2: And it's like, yeah, it's so much easier for you
Speaker 2: to do all these missions and work on behalf of
Speaker 2: God this thing that might happen or not, versus actually
Speaker 2: doing actual work to help real people that.
Speaker 3: Are in front of you.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: You know, it's just easier to pretend it's some boogeyman,
Speaker 2: but it's the people in your neighborhood. Yeah, And I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Why it's it's such a huge right wing hot button,
Speaker 1: especially right now with QAnon and everything. That's how Freedom Movie.
Speaker 2: And they don't actually have to make real change, they
Speaker 2: don't actually have to like even question their part in
Speaker 2: what's happening.
Speaker 3: It's you know.
Speaker 1: The other thing is too, is that they touch on
Speaker 1: in this episode of You're Wrong About That. I've always
Speaker 1: am like constantly harping on.
Speaker 3: Is that there.
Speaker 1: The reason why it's a right wing touching point as
Speaker 1: well is because ultimately human trafficking like gout, like restrictions
Speaker 1: and guidelines and all this stuff affects sex workers like
Speaker 1: it it harms sex workers, and they want to shut
Speaker 1: down sex work like that's that. And it's racism as well,
Speaker 1: like where Cindy McCain fall filed a report of human
Speaker 1: trafficking it at the Phoenix Airport because she saw a
Speaker 1: mother and a child that were two different ethnicities and
Speaker 1: thought it was a trafficking thing and it was not.
Speaker 2: So it's like, but you know that's a hot button
Speaker 2: issue for these people. Well, and this is an old
Speaker 2: episode of ours, but about Roger Kraft or Robbert Kraft,
Speaker 2: the owner of the Patriots, they talk about this in
Speaker 2: that episode. Yeah, like the massage parlors in Florida and
Speaker 2: all these rich dudes and it's like the the raids
Speaker 2: happen on to save sex. But at the end of
Speaker 2: the day, the only people really punished were sex workers.
Speaker 2: None of these rich dudes getting handy is and using
Speaker 2: sex workers got punished.
Speaker 3: They all got free.
Speaker 2: But all these women were on house arrests, deported, jail
Speaker 2: time fees couldn't work, and it was later.
Speaker 1: Like what they talk about in this episode also is
Speaker 1: that it was discovered later that even the New York
Speaker 1: Times and reputable outlets were reporting on stories by local
Speaker 1: cops in that craft bus that were bullshit that were
Speaker 1: later totally proved like bogus. So all of this to say, like,
Speaker 1: there are absolutely children being abused all over the world
Speaker 1: right now, and it's horrific, and it's like it's so
Speaker 1: hard to like this. The two thousand and four article
Speaker 1: had details that were like absolutely like the New York
Speaker 1: Times article that I linked to, it's like absolutely stomach turning,
Speaker 1: as I said.
Speaker 2: But also when you think about it and when you
Speaker 2: see it in sview episodes, it's like these kids are
Speaker 2: like beaten and andre and like out of it, and
Speaker 2: it's like that's what you're doing for your bachelor party.
Speaker 2: It's like weird. It's weird to me that that's even
Speaker 2: like an enjoyable.
Speaker 1: While they were talking about it too in this in
Speaker 1: the article about how they're a little bit blaming porn,
Speaker 1: but they're like the sexual appetite for people is has
Speaker 1: become harder, like more violent, more younger, like just really
Speaker 1: and it's they you know, in the article, they're like
Speaker 1: that's what's driving this craze or whatever. Ultimately, it's like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just like I mean, they're talking
Speaker 1: in this article a lot about Mexico just like kidnapping
Speaker 1: kids and turning them out and selling them all over
Speaker 1: the place. I don't know how much that's happening domestically
Speaker 1: right in the US, but it's horrific either way.
Speaker 3: I just feel like we need to.
Speaker 1: Sort of like, yeah, like let's focus on getting more
Speaker 1: accurate data and like not penalized sex workers and like
Speaker 1: figuring out like I don't even know if these rings
Speaker 1: are still happening. I know they were, but in two
Speaker 1: thousand and one it said like they were saying a
Speaker 1: lot of them got broken up.
Speaker 3: So I don't know. People will sell drugs guns other people.
Speaker 1: For money, and I don't know. We have to just
Speaker 1: figure out ways to stop that. But I'm certainly not
Speaker 1: the person to do that. But I do recommend this
Speaker 1: on podcast episode very highly because it really articulates what
Speaker 1: I am being terrible at articulating about this.
Speaker 2: Now you're doing a good job, and I think us
Speaker 2: together have made it very clear. But an invisible trafficker
Speaker 2: is easier to panic about than when it's your local
Speaker 2: leaders or church leaders or in your family, and so
Speaker 2: it gives people the sense that they're doing something positive
Speaker 2: and they're not. You don't have to hold your baby's
Speaker 2: ankle at target, but okay, yeah, check.
Speaker 1: Your receipts guys, they're coming for you. We will be
Speaker 1: back in a sec with our post mortem.
Speaker 2: Well that was a troubling episode. Thanks for listening to
Speaker 2: that one. Yeah, I guess people are for sale and
Speaker 2: people will buy a baby and raise it to.
Speaker 3: Be its victim. I think that was the most horrifying
Speaker 3: for me. I didn't know that. Well.
Speaker 1: I hope that that's truly like a rare occurrence and
Speaker 1: like not like a more of a boogeyman thing than anything,
Speaker 1: because it's like you'd have to be very wealthy.
Speaker 3: So it's a printing. Yeah, yeah, like I'm sure it's happened, but.
Speaker 2: It's yeah, you have to be quite rich to make
Speaker 2: that happen, or just sick. I mean the prices we
Speaker 2: hear aren't even a lot.
Speaker 3: Like that's the thing. It's like they work, these fucking kids.
Speaker 2: It just really it's a disaster because we're all, you knows,
Speaker 2: those hierarchy of needs. We're all allowed to have bad
Speaker 2: days and like be upset by what's happened in our
Speaker 2: own lives. But if you just take one second to
Speaker 2: think about the global population, it is like, well, miracle
Speaker 2: the life we're living.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's also just like the more and more
Speaker 1: I think about reproductive rights. I'm not saying like any
Speaker 1: of these children should like not exist. I'm just saying that,
Speaker 1: like I think a lot of times it's like children
Speaker 1: are born into like cycles of violence, They're born into poverty,
Speaker 1: They're born into like like like situations where reproductive freedom
Speaker 1: like was not available to the families, and it really
Speaker 1: does just like affect poorer populations. And then it's like
Speaker 1: we've got children turning tricks because their families just like
Speaker 1: like are desperate or whatever, you know what I mean. Like,
Speaker 1: so I just feel like these these the communities of
Speaker 1: you know that are facing economic hardships are disproportionately affected
Speaker 1: by you know, either religious or political pressure to.
Speaker 3: Have kids no matter what, and this and that.
Speaker 1: And then it's like we just have thousands of these
Speaker 1: kids that are just like you know, being forced into
Speaker 1: labor or forced into sex work, forced into something you
Speaker 1: know well, and that family like you know, it was
Speaker 1: medical bills that got them in And there's just no
Speaker 1: safety net in this country for anything like one illness
Speaker 1: can destroy you one job loss, one layoff. And that's
Speaker 1: why as a society, I'm so confused why we treat
Speaker 1: homeless people so poorly when we're all just like one
Speaker 1: terrible thing away from yeving on the streets, and we
Speaker 1: treat them like ah, like they deserve, Like I really
Speaker 1: will never understand a person that sees someone sleeping outside
Speaker 1: and has nothing but like compassion and sad like of like, fuck,
Speaker 1: that must suck, Like I really don't understand the people
Speaker 1: that are like put the migrants on a bus and
Speaker 1: ship them over there, Like I don't.
Speaker 3: I will never understand that. Like no, I was just
Speaker 3: reading that about this.
Speaker 1: I was just reading like a random instagram about a
Speaker 1: woman who was like I had savings, I was doing great.
Speaker 1: I got into a car accident that completely fucked my
Speaker 1: life up. Couldn't work, couldn't do this, And now is
Speaker 1: like living you know, on snap and in government housing.
Speaker 3: It's like it truly is so close.
Speaker 1: Everybody is so close to losing everything from one catastrophic event.
Speaker 3: You know, hopefully not this Christmas.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, this is a perfect, perfect holiday season
Speaker 1: episode to just talk about the horrors of the fucking world.
Speaker 1: And it is like overwhelming. When I was reading this article,
Speaker 1: I was like, there's so much information here. The numbers
Speaker 1: are so staggering. They're so overwhelming. It's like I can't
Speaker 1: even start to think about how many children are just
Speaker 1: in horrible situations.
Speaker 3: All over the world because I have it, like I
Speaker 3: shut off, you know, we have to.
Speaker 2: I mean they say that like our brains weren't meant
Speaker 2: for this much information, Like we shouldn't be knowing everything
Speaker 2: we're knowing.
Speaker 3: It's like, that's so I think we're all going nuts.
Speaker 3: It's it's it's too much to handle.
Speaker 2: But also I feel like when we first started the podcast,
Speaker 2: we'd be like, oh, it's this holiday, well match, and
Speaker 2: now we're like, here's a human trafficking one Merry Christmas,
Speaker 2: you filthy animals. Yeah, let's do that.
Speaker 1: Let's do the one where Live goes to the Bahamas
Speaker 1: because it's Christmas time. No, we're just doing merchandise because
Speaker 1: you capitalists all just gave your kids up on job presents.
Speaker 2: I did like this is outdated now, but I did
Speaker 2: like the kind of fuck you for Black Friday that
Speaker 2: was exciting where the sales weren't good and people weren't shopping,
Speaker 2: there were no lines and everyone's like, honestly, go fuck yourselves,
Speaker 2: and that was just stop. Just no one even went online.
Speaker 2: No one went on I didn't because usually I do
Speaker 2: online Monday. There was nothing.
Speaker 3: It did not really I that was cool. Oh yeah
Speaker 3: I heard.
Speaker 1: I thought I heard cyber Monday people were like spending,
Speaker 1: but like, yeah, I think the like pushing each other
Speaker 1: down for flat screens at a Walmart.
Speaker 3: It's not really happening anymore.
Speaker 1: Like no, because but like there's also like buy nothing
Speaker 1: groups and like you know, I'm in these mom groups
Speaker 1: where people are trading very valuable stuff all the time
Speaker 1: and selling it for less and blah blah blah. Like
Speaker 1: so I just think there's a lot of other ways
Speaker 1: besides like you know, getting trampled at three in the
Speaker 1: morning on Thanksgiving morning, that you can do. And I
Speaker 1: like that some stores are taking a stand and saying
Speaker 1: we're just not gonna be open on Thanksgiving. We're gonna
Speaker 1: let our staff actually enjoy the holiday. So but like, yeah,
Speaker 1: just start giving deals out like the way Amazon does
Speaker 1: Prime Day or whatever. Start giving deals out the beginning
Speaker 1: of the middle of Thanksgiving and have them go till Christmas.
Speaker 1: You're gonna get your sales. We don't need Black Feast. Yeah,
Speaker 1: do what Amazon does, but you know what it just
Speaker 1: have it be a long period of sales. So it's
Speaker 1: just like you're giving people sales, people are buying shit,
Speaker 1: you're simulating the economy, and nobody's fighting each other.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: That goes for a little store too.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: I got to make my way over to a little
Speaker 1: store in the middle of LA because I just heard
Speaker 1: a girl I went to high school with owns a
Speaker 1: little toy store and she doesn't do online sales.
Speaker 3: Wow. Yeah, it's over a miracle mile. I gotta go
Speaker 3: check it out.
Speaker 1: Anyway, Guys, take care of your children, keep them close. Jesus,
Speaker 1: there's so much horror in the world. That's the post
Speaker 1: mortem on this episode. Let's get to what would Sister
Speaker 1: Peg Do, where we try to hug kel. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: try to help a little bit with what would Sister
Speaker 1: Peg Do. This is our weekly segment where we direct
Speaker 1: you towards a book, an organization, an article, something to
Speaker 1: give you more info about what we talked about today.
Speaker 1: And you guys know, I can't stop fucking talking about
Speaker 1: this podcast you're wrong about and so I wanted to
Speaker 1: direct you specifically to their direct their episode about human trafficking.
Speaker 3: I brought it up so many times on the show.
Speaker 1: The episode does a really great job of highlighting how
Speaker 1: sex trafficking numbers are overblown, and how like the idea
Speaker 1: of stranger danger got sort of pushed out again during
Speaker 1: the Bush administration, and that's more of a boogeyman and
Speaker 1: that stuff like what we see in this episode, children
Speaker 1: being forced into labor is much more prevalent and much
Speaker 1: more and harder to police.
Speaker 3: And you know, so listen to that episode.
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Speaker 3: I don't know. I was gonna say, enter the New Millennium.
Speaker 3: I'm really losening, I think.
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