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Speaker 1: He was a small in stature, you know, I think

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Speaker 1: maybe in cargo shorts or I mean, he looked like

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Speaker 1: he could have still been in high school. But if

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Speaker 1: you'd shut your eyes and we're just listening to him.

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Speaker 1: His command of materials, a build bit, communicatment engage was

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Speaker 1: on par with anyone you know I had met with

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Speaker 1: over the course of my tech career.

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Speaker 2: The way people tell it, Sam Altman has always been

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Speaker 2: destined for greatness.

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Speaker 3: I've personally seen Sam resolve a one hundred million dollar

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Speaker 3: issue in a thirty minute phone call. Fifteen minute phone call.

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Speaker 2: He's a young Bill Gates, a baby Steve Jobs. Then

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Speaker 2: Sam came within grasp of real power by being one

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Speaker 2: of the founders of open Ai. He went against Elon Musk.

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Speaker 1: I am the reason Open Eye exists.

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Speaker 4: And one Elon reacts by trying to win at all

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Speaker 4: costs and whatever whatever scorched earth may arise from that.

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Speaker 2: Sam became the leader of the most exciting company in

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Speaker 2: the tech industry. He testified in front of Congress.

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Speaker 5: My worst fears are that we cause significant harm to

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Speaker 5: the world. I think if this technology goes wrong, it

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Speaker 5: can go quite wrong.

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Speaker 2: It would be a future shaped by him and his

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Speaker 2: company's invention until breaking news, Sam Altman is out as

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Speaker 2: CEO of Open Ai.

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Speaker 3: This is a stunner.

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Speaker 2: I'm your host, Ellen Hewitt. In this season of Foundering

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Speaker 2: will take you inside Open Ai. It's a story of feuds, betrayals, billionaires,

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Speaker 2: and maybe the extinction of humanity. And it's also the

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Speaker 2: story of Sam Altman, the most Silicon valley man alive.

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Speaker 3: I heard someone describe him as the Michael Jordan of listening.

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Speaker 2: Maybe our future AI overlord. But he's also been dogged

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Speaker 2: by rumors of being duplicitous.

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Speaker 4: It feels embarrassing to be related to him.

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