1 00:00:01,760 --> 00:00:04,920 Speaker 1: All media. 2 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:08,800 Speaker 2: Welcome to it could happen here. I'm Garrison Davis. I'm 3 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:11,639 Speaker 2: joined by Mia Wong. It's a sort of a new week, 4 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 2: so let's start preparing for what these next few months 5 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:17,240 Speaker 2: are going to look like in the wake of Trump's 6 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 2: election victory last week, So one thing I was thinking 7 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 2: about after the results kind of rolled in and seeing 8 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 2: everyone's reactions online, you have a you know, a mix 9 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 2: of people going full doomer, some people trying to get 10 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:34,519 Speaker 2: hopped up on hopium, some people on copium right, just 11 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 2: trying to like find any psychological way to survive. And 12 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 2: for me, kind of the way I like to survive 13 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 2: is just through information. So this episode, we're going to 14 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 2: get into how we see life for trans people under 15 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:49,520 Speaker 2: a second Trump term, based on both what he's done 16 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 2: in the past, what he's promised to do in the future. 17 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 2: And I know, in like the days after the election, 18 00:00:56,280 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 2: like LGBTQ, like crisis hotlines all saw massive spike in 19 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 2: people calling in to the point where some people were 20 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 2: even unable to reach someone, And like I understand, this 21 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 2: is a very scary moment in time, and as much 22 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 2: as it might not be fun to hear about how 23 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 2: things are all gonna get worse. There's also some misconceptions, 24 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 2: and I think there's also a degree of power in 25 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:23,039 Speaker 2: actually being able to reasonably ascertain what things could look 26 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:25,959 Speaker 2: like instead of just kind of feeling it out and 27 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 2: just going purely on vibes. So to kind of start, 28 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 2: I guess I'll mention some things that Trump did in 29 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 2: his first term that then got undone by Biden, which 30 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 2: will probably just end up being reinstated. We don't know 31 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 2: these for sure, but that's like a decent guess. So 32 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 2: one of the first things Trump did when he got 33 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 2: into office is he rolled back in Obama era memo 34 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 2: directing schools to protect trans students from discrimination. 35 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that, by the way, discrimination protection is a 36 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 3: constant theme in this episode. It's gonna get a lot worse. 37 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 2: Trump later went on to ban trans people from serving 38 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 2: in the military. He also went after trans making it 39 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 2: so that trans people usually would need to be housed 40 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 2: in prisons and jails according to their assigned sex at birth, 41 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 2: which is of course a very dangerous situation for people incarcerated, 42 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 2: specifically trans women. 43 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think there is good reason to expect 44 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:21,239 Speaker 3: that treatment there is going to get worse. There's been 45 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 3: you know, we'll get into this more later in the episode, 46 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 3: but there's been a real focus on incarcerated trans people 47 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:30,080 Speaker 3: getting health care. Yeah, and this is one of the 48 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 3: things that's kind of ambiguous as to how Trump could 49 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 3: go about trying to stop these people from getting health care. 50 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:38,959 Speaker 3: So the thing about providing healthcare to trans people who 51 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 3: have been incarcerated is that they have to do it. It 52 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 3: is something that is required by the Constitution of the 53 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 3: United States. The Eighth Amendment holds that there is a 54 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 3: ban on cruel and unusual punishment, and withholding medical care 55 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 3: is so obviously a form of cruel unusual punishment that 56 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 3: even staggeringly right wing Supreme courts have been like, no, 57 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:00,639 Speaker 3: you actually have to give people medical care in prison. 58 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 3: So this is one that's going to be a little 59 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 3: bit difficult for him to do. I don't know, he 60 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 3: might find some way to do it. This is one 61 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 3: of the ones where there's a real potential for it 62 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 3: to get worse, and we simply do not know enough 63 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 3: about what legal strategy is going to be here to 64 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 3: say for sure. 65 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 2: But it's also worth mentioning, like people have had to 66 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 2: fight for access to healthcare in prison, Like, it's not 67 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 2: something that comes easily, Like people have had to sue 68 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 2: to make sure that they get the healthcare that they 69 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 2: are legally required to receive. And we can just assume 70 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 2: that that process will probably be slightly more difficult under 71 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 2: a second Trump term like it was under a first 72 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 2: Trump term, then it may kind of currently be now. 73 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 2: So that's kind of one shift in how things might 74 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 2: be slightly more challenging. 75 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I want to also mention so that analysis 76 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 3: and a lot of the analysis, the policy analysis that 77 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 3: I'm going to be doing going forward, is heavily indebted 78 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 3: to trans policy expert Carin Green, who we've had on 79 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 3: the show a couple of times before Amazing. She was 80 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 3: one of the people who ended up working on compliance 81 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 3: for that lawsuit where Kamala Harris tried to keep transprisoners 82 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 3: from getting healthcare, and she came in and like had 83 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 3: to like ensure that the state of California was doing 84 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 3: it and they weren't. So that's something that has been 85 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 3: fought for, and that's something I mean, the trans community 86 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:19,279 Speaker 3: is small enough that that is the thing that has 87 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:22,479 Speaker 3: specifically been fought for by people who I consulted to 88 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:25,839 Speaker 3: make this episode. So, yeah, these these rights have been 89 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:27,599 Speaker 3: dearly one and it's going to be very hard to 90 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:30,039 Speaker 3: protect them. If I'm doing something where there's there's something 91 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 3: about policy implementation, assume that I talked to Krinn about 92 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:36,159 Speaker 3: this and that's why it's accurate. 93 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 4: And while I'm. 94 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 3: Doing this, I want to plug a couple of the 95 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 3: projects that she works on. But there's there's something you 96 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 3: can do very immediately right now, before we get into 97 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 3: all of the terrible stuff that's going to happen, which 98 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 3: is you can donate to the Trans Income Project, which 99 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:52,480 Speaker 3: is the project that supports trans people and transsex workers 100 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 3: in particular, which is a lot of trans people and 101 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 3: supports them by just giving them direct cash transfers. They 102 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 3: used to their work too, but yeah, and it direct 103 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 3: caast transfers are one of the most effective ways that 104 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 3: you can help trans people. And if you give money 105 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 3: to this organization, they'll be links in the chat you 106 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 3: can help do this. So let's get into how things 107 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:14,599 Speaker 3: are going to get worse. Unfortunately, trudministration, Congress, and state 108 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 3: legislators have an enormous amount of power to make everything worse. 109 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 3: We're mostly going to be focusing on what Trump and 110 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 3: Congress can do well. We'll get into the legislator's a 111 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:27,279 Speaker 3: bit at the end. So there are a lot of 112 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:31,720 Speaker 3: levers of state power and sort of policy techniques that 113 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 3: Trump can pull here to make things worse. We're going 114 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 3: to go roughly from easiest to hardest to pull off. 115 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:42,719 Speaker 3: So the first lever is federal funding. Probably the easiest 116 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 3: place that this lever can get pulled is in the 117 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 3: education system. Trump can unfortunately fairly easily implement what amounts 118 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 3: to a don't say trans ban on a federal level 119 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 3: by threatening to withhold federal funding for any school that 120 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 3: doesn't mandate things like misgendering and dead dating students and 121 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 3: banned And this is I think he's explicitly talked about 122 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 3: is like banning anyone in classes, any teachers from talking 123 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:09,040 Speaker 3: about traditioning at all. He's also threatened to have teachers 124 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 3: who talk to students about being trans like investigated by 125 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 3: the Department of Justice. We'll get more into Department just 126 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 3: investigations in a bit. He's also used an explicit threat, 127 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 3: the same threat of cutting state funding to stop schools 128 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 3: some letting kids use the right bathroom in the locker 129 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 3: room it's also possible he will do that through Title nine. 130 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 3: But there's a lot of ways that he can do 131 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 3: this very easily that are probably not going to be 132 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 3: able to be stopped. And this is going to get 133 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 3: extremely bad very quickly. Another sort of avenue that he 134 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 3: has is I guess what you'd call like the High 135 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 3: Amendment for trans people. So for people who don't know 136 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 3: what the High Amendment is, the High Amendment is a 137 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 3: writer that bans federal spending on abortion. It's been like modified, 138 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:55,280 Speaker 3: it's not like the one hundred percent band that he 139 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:57,280 Speaker 3: used to be because now there's like exceptions for rape 140 00:06:57,279 --> 00:07:00,120 Speaker 3: and incests and stuff life of their parents too. But 141 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 3: it is a very very effective Republican tool. It's actually 142 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:05,919 Speaker 3: also Joe Biden helped implement that that's been used to 143 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 3: limit are access to abortion, and we already have seen 144 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:13,679 Speaker 3: the start of these kind of things even under Biden. 145 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 3: There was a version of this of a kind of 146 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 3: High Amendment for trans healthcare that was an attempt to 147 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 3: get the DoD to not be able to spend money 148 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 3: on trans healthcare. That's already a provision that's been tacked 149 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 3: onto one of the most recent spending bills. That went 150 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 3: through because Joe Manchin like defected and joined the Republicans 151 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 3: to get it onto one of the spending omnibuses, and 152 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 3: that was again just for the Department of Defense. We 153 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 3: are very likely to see versions of these attached to 154 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 3: every single spending bill that explicitly say that government funding 155 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 3: cannot be used for trans healthcare. It will definitely be 156 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 3: used to do to say you can't use it for 157 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 3: trans healthcare for minors. It is possible this will be 158 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 3: expanded to adults. We don't know. It depends how far 159 00:07:55,880 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 3: there's sort of anti trans I don't know the arrangement goes, 160 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 3: but that that is a real danger. And this can 161 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 3: also be expanded to refusing to allow Medicare and Medicaid 162 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 3: to pay for anything at a clinic that does trans healthcare, 163 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:14,119 Speaker 3: even if the money isn't funding the healthcare. That's also 164 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 3: possible that would be absolutely catastrophic for the medical system. 165 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 3: Even just a government band that you know, prevents things 166 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 3: like Medicare and Medicaid and like government health care from 167 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 3: covering transition in the first place is a disaster. But 168 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 3: if they go further and you know, prevent clinics who 169 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 3: like provide trans healthcare from taking Medicare and Medicaid. That's 170 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 3: bad enough that I think that is in terms of 171 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 3: what is the thing we most need to be worried 172 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 3: about right now, I think that's the worst possible thing 173 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 3: that can happen very quickly, because. 174 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:47,559 Speaker 2: It could basically pressure medical clinics into refusing to offer 175 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 2: any kind of gender affirming care because it would threaten 176 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:52,440 Speaker 2: their just base ability to operate as a medical clinic 177 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 2: taking Medicare, Medicaid, et cetera. 178 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, this is the thing I talked about a bit 179 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 3: in our Agenda forty seven episode on this. But this 180 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 3: is this effectually create It's like Sophie's choice for these 181 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 3: clinics because it's either you treat trans people who have 182 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 3: private insurance, right, or you can treat like people who 183 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:13,079 Speaker 3: have who are a medicaa Medicaid. So it's like, okay, 184 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 3: either either you let trans people get fucked or you 185 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 3: let like every poor person or old person in the 186 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 3: US like eat shit. 187 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:23,959 Speaker 4: So there aren't good options here for that. 188 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:26,079 Speaker 2: How do we think something like this would be implemented? 189 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 2: Like is this an executive order or does this have 190 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 2: to go through Congress? 191 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 4: So that's the other part about this. That's very bad. 192 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 3: The way this is being done is these things are 193 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 3: attached to what are called writers to spending bills. So 194 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 3: any spending bill Republican's put in front of the House, 195 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:43,559 Speaker 3: they will have this like provision in it, right, And 196 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:47,079 Speaker 3: the really big problem for us is that spending bills 197 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 3: usually get past now out of this thing called Senate reconciliation. 198 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 3: And the thing about Senate reconciliation is that you can't 199 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 3: fill a buster them, so these can just get rammed 200 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:00,719 Speaker 3: through really really quickly, and there's not going to be 201 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 3: enough opposition in the House to stop it either. So 202 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:06,079 Speaker 3: I mean, some of this stuff probably could be done 203 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 3: with executive orders, but it's quite possible you won't even 204 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 3: need that because it can just be rammed through in 205 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:11,559 Speaker 3: spending bills, which. 206 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,199 Speaker 2: Is a little bit harder to undo from my understanding. 207 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, executive orders can be overturned by the next guy, 208 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 3: whereas getting these provisions out is going to take a 209 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 3: long time. Yeah, you know, this is another issue that 210 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 3: we have. The map for the Democrats retaking the Senate 211 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 3: is terrible in twenty twenty six, and it's bad in 212 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 3: twenty twenty eight two. So I still don't think this 213 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:33,959 Speaker 3: is being recorded Friday. I don't think we still actually 214 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 3: know what their majority in the Senate's going to be. 215 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:36,839 Speaker 4: But it's a lot. 216 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 3: And also we know that Joe Manchin is willing to 217 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 3: vote for stuff like this because he's done it already, 218 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 3: So this is probably coming quickly. It basically depends on 219 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:55,320 Speaker 3: how good their policy people are, which who knows. But yeah, 220 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 3: this is not going to be difficult for them to 221 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 3: implement and it's going to be extremely damaging. 222 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 2: Well, that was a lot. Let's take a little bit 223 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 2: of a break and will we come back, take another 224 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 2: look into what life could be like under a second 225 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 2: Trump term. 226 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 4: We are back. 227 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:22,199 Speaker 3: So the threat to trans people does not only come 228 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 3: from Congress and the President. One of the things that's 229 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:29,080 Speaker 3: almost certainly going to happen very soon is there is 230 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 3: currently a case about a trans healthcare band from Miners 231 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 3: and Tennessee in front of the Supreme Court. It's called 232 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 3: Scrimetti versus Us. We are almost certainly going to lose this. 233 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 3: Not losing this requires a bunch of extremely unlikely things happening, 234 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:49,079 Speaker 3: and this is very, very bad. What Scrimetti versus Us 235 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:52,079 Speaker 3: is probably going to cost us is trans people as 236 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 3: a group being protected by the fourteenth Amendment. So the 237 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 3: fourteenth Amendment is supposed to provide everyone equal protection under 238 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 3: the law. The way that's been interpreted is that if 239 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 3: you're passing a law that directly targets a group, there 240 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 3: are certain levels of scrutiny that have to be applied 241 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 3: to it to see whether or not it's discriminatory and 242 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 3: can be allowed to proceed. What's probably going to happen 243 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 3: here is that trans people aren't going to be held 244 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 3: as protected at all, which means that the fourteenth Amendment 245 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 3: will not protect us from things that are unbelievably obviously discriminatory, 246 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 3: like healthcare bands for youth, which is again literally the 247 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 3: same procedures that are happening for trans children are done 248 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 3: to SIS children all the time, and it's fine. Yeah, 249 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 3: so this is very obviously discrimination. We're probably going to 250 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 3: lose it because the Supreme Court is full of a 251 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 3: bunch of the worst people in the entire world. It 252 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 3: is technically possible that Gorstch defects and drags someone else 253 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 3: over and we get a thing that says we have 254 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 3: intermediate scrutiny. That would be the best win we could 255 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 3: possibly get on this. It's extremely it's unlikely. We're probably 256 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:55,680 Speaker 3: going to lose it. And this is also going to 257 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 3: overturn the landmark case Bostock versus Clayton County, which is 258 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 3: the one that rules that you can't discriminate against transpeople 259 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 3: based on gener identity. 260 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 2: Specifically for like employers as well. 261 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, for employees. Is specifically for employers. So what we 262 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:10,839 Speaker 3: could very well be about to lose. And again, this 263 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 3: is another thing that's very high likelihood because this case 264 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 3: they're ready in front of the Supreme Court, and the 265 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 3: Supreme Court hates us. We could be about to lose 266 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 3: employment discrimination protections now. To be fair, and I think 267 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:22,960 Speaker 3: most trans people who are listening to the show know this. 268 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 3: I don't know how many SIS people understand this, but 269 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:30,679 Speaker 3: the level of trans employment discrimination in the workplace is unbelievable. 270 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, this isn't really enforced at all. Yeah, it's pretty bad. 271 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 3: It is something that right now is technically possible to 272 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 3: do and you're not allowed to just straight up to 273 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 3: say it. But you know, like there is a reason 274 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 3: that the unemployment rate for trans people is like three 275 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 3: times as high. No, it's actually it's Yeah, I think 276 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:49,560 Speaker 3: it's about three times as high as the rate for 277 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 3: SIS people. Right we don't have great data. There's some 278 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 3: data from the Trans Student Survey from twenty twenty two, 279 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 3: but the full report isn't out yet. But what I 280 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 3: will say is that the the trans level of unemployed 281 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 3: unemployment right now in the US is very low. The 282 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:06,080 Speaker 3: level of unemployment for trans people is nineteen thirty six, 283 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:09,719 Speaker 3: great depression levels, and this is before we lose these protections. 284 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 3: It is also worth noting this will not overturn like 285 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:15,079 Speaker 3: state level of protections. So if you're in a state 286 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 3: that like has specifically bandit, you will have some more recourse. 287 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 3: But we're losing fourteenth medic protections. But a federal level 288 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 3: would basically allow explicit employment discrimination. Yeah, if someone's trans, 289 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 3: it's possible that case goes like marginally better for us 290 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 3: and that doesn't happen. But it's hard to see how 291 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 3: that would happen. The lawyers I talked to you will 292 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 3: say this is not this is not a legal opinion, 293 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 3: but they seem to think that this is how this 294 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 3: would go, and the policy people seem to think it'd 295 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 3: be going the same way. Yeah, there's some other things 296 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 3: that can happen. Trump has been promising, We're going to 297 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 3: get federal investigations into clinics that provide gender affirming care, 298 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 3: also into hospitals. You know, there's gonna be enormous legal harassment. 299 00:14:57,520 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 3: This has already been happening on a sort of lower level, 300 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 3: but from sort of individual lawsuits and state attorney generals. 301 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 3: But this is going to be happening with the full 302 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 3: backing of the Department of Justice. You can look at 303 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 3: like what Texas has been doing the past four years. Yeah, 304 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 3: with them investigating not just clinics, but also like parents 305 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 3: of trans kids. Yeah, parents, like individual health care providers. 306 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 3: He was also pledging to investigate like the companies that 307 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 3: make hormones. 308 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 4: So that's bad. 309 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 3: There's also the Department of Justice has been making some 310 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 3: incredibly half assed attempts to try to go after some 311 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 3: of the healthcare bans. 312 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 4: That's all going to stop. They're just going to give 313 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 4: all that up. 314 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 3: There's also a bunch of bills that could be passed, 315 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 3: depending on the Democrats' willingness to filibuster them. So Trump 316 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 3: has called for a ban of trans people like playing 317 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 3: sports that correspond with their gender, and that may well 318 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 3: pass because the Democrats are cowards, and the Republicans are 319 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 3: going to have a large majority in the Senate. Trump 320 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 3: has also pushed for a ban on gender firming care 321 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 3: for minors, including hrits homo replacement therapy, which is like 322 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 3: one of the main ways transition and puberty blockers. That 323 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 3: one is less likely to make it through the Senate. 324 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 3: But it also again depends on how cowardly the Democrats 325 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 3: are and how much they decide to cave. And this 326 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 3: is the moment that there is another thing that you 327 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 3: can do and you should start doing this right now, 328 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 3: which is this is the moment right now to start 329 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 3: pressuring your congress person about this, like start calling them, 330 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 3: start pressuring them, and start making sure that they don't 331 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 3: fully sort of turn on trans rights. This is just 332 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 3: something that you can concretely do right now, because these 333 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 3: people need to understand that there are consequences for turning 334 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 3: on trans people, because if there aren't consequences, they are 335 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 3: going to do it now. Trump has also called for 336 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 3: a ban on recognizing trans people at a federal level 337 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 3: on like all identification documents things like that also would 338 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 3: outlaw non binary marketings on passports and stuff. That would 339 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 3: also be really bad. That's also something that probably requires 340 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 3: a law. And that's again and everything. Call your congress people, 341 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 3: like pressure them now, start doing it now, do not 342 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 3: wait until he's actually an office. 343 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 2: Like, all of these issues are things that public opinion 344 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 2: has been shifting on greatly the past like two years. Yeah, 345 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 2: these things used to be much more kind of seen 346 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 2: as like, yeah, this like makes sense. This is like 347 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 2: a humane and reasonable effort to include a group of 348 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:17,360 Speaker 2: discriminated people. And now we see in a growing number 349 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:19,719 Speaker 2: a majority of people pull on this issue do not 350 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 2: support these measures. They don't support having the ability to 351 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:26,640 Speaker 2: have your gender marker match your gener identity. They don't 352 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 2: support your ability to participate in public life. And that 353 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 2: is the result of an intentional misinformation campaign and essentially 354 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:37,639 Speaker 2: like a hate crime campaign and a hate speech campaign 355 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:39,360 Speaker 2: that that has been going on for the past like 356 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 2: four years because Republicans knew that they already lost the 357 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:45,439 Speaker 2: battle on like regular gay people, so they moved on 358 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:48,400 Speaker 2: to the next subjugated class. And that's something we've talked 359 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 2: about for a while. And this is like something that 360 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:54,360 Speaker 2: is shifting. So you have to actually verbally express to 361 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:56,359 Speaker 2: your representatives that this is something that you actually do 362 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:59,159 Speaker 2: care about. Otherwise they will look at these like general 363 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 2: polls and be like, oh, this isn't popular anymore and 364 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 2: shift and cave on it. They need to know that 365 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 2: their constituents actually do care about these things if we 366 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 2: want these things to not get passed through Congress. 367 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's also worth mentioning that a lot of 368 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 3: this people just don't know anything about about trans people 369 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 3: because we're like one percent of the population right now. 370 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 3: Part of the reason the Republican campaign is working is 371 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 3: that people are susceptible to being told things about trans 372 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:25,959 Speaker 3: people and believing them. But that also works for us, right, 373 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:27,679 Speaker 3: it goes both ways. Part of what's been going on 374 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:30,439 Speaker 3: is that, like, we haven't had the kind of giant 375 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 3: advocacy push outside of some trans people, but we have 376 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:37,400 Speaker 3: no money, we have no resources, and we need there 377 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 3: to actually be large, widespread and vocal public support because 378 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 3: otherwise all of the stuff that's happening here is going 379 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 3: to get even worse. And you know the word when 380 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 3: we could get very well, the worst case scenario things 381 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 3: which are full bands for adults. That's the thing that 382 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:56,920 Speaker 3: they could pass through Congress, But right now they don't 383 00:18:56,920 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 3: have the support for it. Yeah, However, Comma's going to 384 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:03,199 Speaker 3: get to there are signs that the Democratic Party is 385 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:05,119 Speaker 3: deciding to throw us under the bus. 386 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, not as steadfast on this issue then what we 387 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 2: will probably prefer. 388 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, And on the state level, I guess the important 389 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 3: thing for the state level is that once we lose 390 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:17,160 Speaker 3: fourteenth Ament protections, it's going to be so much harder 391 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:18,679 Speaker 3: for there to be legal challenges to any of this. 392 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 3: And this means we're going to see a proliferation of 393 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 3: these state level bans on healthcare, even sort of marching. 394 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 4: Ahead of where the federal government is. 395 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 2: Let's have our last break, and when we come back, 396 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 2: we will close the episode by discussing Trump's focus on 397 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:38,160 Speaker 2: trans issues during his campaign, as well as things that 398 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 2: you can start doing, like right now, to get ready 399 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 2: and prepare for these next four years. 400 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 4: All right, we are back. 401 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 2: During the last few months of Trump's campaign, his team 402 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 2: shifted away from the key issues of the economy and 403 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:05,879 Speaker 2: immigration in their national election ad efforts, and specifically honed 404 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:08,880 Speaker 2: in on trans issues as a wedge against Kamala Harris 405 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 2: and the Democrats in general. The infamous Kamala is for 406 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 2: they them ad being the prime example of this. According 407 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:20,680 Speaker 2: to a PBS report, from October seventh to October twentieth, 408 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:24,360 Speaker 2: Trump's campaign and pro Trump groups spent an estimated thirty 409 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:29,120 Speaker 2: nine million dollars on anti trans ads, and Trump ended 410 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 2: up spending more money on these ads than on housing, immigration, 411 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 2: and the economy combined. This was his main focus in 412 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 2: his final ad push, specifically after the September debate. A 413 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:45,440 Speaker 2: new report from journalist Casey Parks using data from ad Impact, 414 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 2: shows that Republicans spent nearly two hundred and fifteen million 415 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 2: dollars on anti trans ads this election cycle. And this 416 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 2: figure does not include cable or streaming ads, this is 417 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:59,879 Speaker 2: just network TV. And these anti trans ads weren't just 418 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 2: focused on the presidential election. Other Republicans in various Senate 419 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:07,919 Speaker 2: races picked up on the success of these anti trans 420 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:12,160 Speaker 2: ads and used them in Ohio, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. Now, 421 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:15,719 Speaker 2: initially some thought that maybe this would be a repeat 422 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:19,120 Speaker 2: of twenty twenty two. Maybe this extra focus on this 423 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 2: small group of the population wouldn't lead to kind of 424 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:25,400 Speaker 2: electoral successes, pointing to how a similar strategy failed during 425 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 2: the twenty twenty two mid terms, but then election Day 426 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:30,639 Speaker 2: came and we saw that there was a degree of 427 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 2: success or at least these did not hurt them in 428 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 2: any substantial way, and Republicans won many of the Senate 429 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 2: races on anti trans campaign messages. I'm going to quote 430 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:41,399 Speaker 2: from an article in The New York Times called it 431 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 2: Trump and the Republicans bet big on anti trans ads 432 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:45,680 Speaker 2: across the country. 433 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 4: Quote. 434 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,239 Speaker 2: The kamala Is for the Them ad was rated as 435 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 2: one of his campaigns more effective in September in some 436 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 2: Democratic testing, according to results reviewed by The Times, Republican 437 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:00,680 Speaker 2: strategists said the focus on transgunter women and girls sports 438 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 2: had been particularly effective with a key group of voters 439 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 2: the party had hemorrhaged support from in recent years, college 440 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 2: educated women. One of the things you see in the 441 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 2: focus groups is that the moms get really visibly angry 442 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 2: on this issue, said Jim McLaughlin, a Republican polster who 443 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 2: works for mister Trump and other Republican campaigns. Quote it's 444 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,120 Speaker 2: a fairness issue. They don't want their daughters to lose 445 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 2: a scholarship, and they don't want them to get hurt. 446 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 4: Unquote. 447 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 2: The enthusiasm for this issue kind of lines up with 448 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 2: what me Sophie and Roberts saw at the RNC, where 449 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:36,959 Speaker 2: anti trans statements consistently got the loudest applause. Though some 450 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 2: state level Democrats like Representative Seth Multon of Massachusetts and 451 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,479 Speaker 2: Tom Soulsey of New York, as well as some mother 452 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 2: DNZ advisors, have jumped onto the blame game, citing trans 453 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 2: issues as if not the reason, then a reason Democrats 454 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 2: just completely fumble this election, claiming that the Democratic Party 455 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:55,159 Speaker 2: is far to the left on trans issues and the 456 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:59,159 Speaker 2: average American. But largely the Dems were not out campaigning 457 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 2: for trans people loud and proud the selection cycle. Oh, 458 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 2: Trans issues were intentionally pushed off stage at the DNC, 459 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:10,160 Speaker 2: and the Harris campaign tried their hardest to sidestep this issue, 460 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,680 Speaker 2: giving vague non answers and whether trans people should be 461 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 2: able to receive healthcare by just stating that her administration 462 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 2: would quote unquote follow the law and invoking states rights 463 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,359 Speaker 2: type framing. And I see this as just a massive 464 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 2: failure to confront an issue that Republicans have like slingshot 465 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 2: into the spotlight, and it shows a failure to do 466 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 2: things because it's like the right thing to do, not 467 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 2: just necessarily for some like electoral gain, well. 468 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 4: Even even on a strategic level. 469 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:40,919 Speaker 3: Right, we saw this with border policy too, Right, exactly 470 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 3: Democrats adopted the Republican's sport policy and then they look 471 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,639 Speaker 3: exactly and it's like, yeah, if you just agree or 472 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,360 Speaker 3: refuse to contest them on their core issues, then that's 473 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,399 Speaker 3: what people are going to believe, because people have a 474 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,919 Speaker 3: tendency to believe what their elites are telling them. You 475 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 3: can't defeat these people's ideology by just agreeing with it 476 00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,239 Speaker 3: or star stepping out of the way a bit. 477 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:01,479 Speaker 2: That's just lets it's and I think this is going 478 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 2: to be proven to be like the biggest mistake Democrats 479 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 2: made this election cycle, Like, you can't just sed territory 480 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:10,440 Speaker 2: to the right based on a massive disinformation campaign, which 481 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 2: is exactly what the Democrats did on immigration and crime, 482 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 2: and they showed a willingness to do that on trans rights. Now, 483 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:19,160 Speaker 2: even if some of these people that Democrats included claim 484 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,920 Speaker 2: to not like hate trans people individually, they have allowed 485 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 2: questions around access to bathrooms, sports and government fund and 486 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 2: healthcare to be used as a wedge against trans rights 487 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,159 Speaker 2: as a whole and the ability for trans people to 488 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 2: be able to exist in public life. To close. I 489 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 2: think we should have just a brief discussion on what 490 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 2: people can do specifically during these next seventy five days 491 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 2: and even in the months after, like what people can 492 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,959 Speaker 2: do to prepare for some of the worst aspects of this, 493 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 2: specifically on the healthcare front. Now, we did a series 494 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 2: of episodes a few years ago on DIYHRT there are 495 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:57,119 Speaker 2: both pharmaceutical and home brewed options for homones that can 496 00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:01,160 Speaker 2: be ordered online. Now since that episode, home brewed distribution 497 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,440 Speaker 2: networks have spread throughout the United States. There's probably one 498 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:08,400 Speaker 2: already in whatever city is closest to you. Now, access 499 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 2: to those networks does require a degree of, like in 500 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 2: person community, and I know that can be challenging. You 501 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 2: can certainly do organizing online on discord. You can certainly 502 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 2: find trans people on discord that can help you learn 503 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,679 Speaker 2: where pharmaceutical grade estrogen can be ordered online. But that 504 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:28,240 Speaker 2: type of online organizing will only get more dangerous under 505 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 2: a Trump term, especially if the legal status of these 506 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:35,399 Speaker 2: hormones change. So I will always emphasize the importance of 507 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 2: in person community, and it might just take like learning 508 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 2: if there's a trans band in the city you're in 509 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 2: going to some shows, learning where trans people go. Where 510 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 2: trans people gather is their community picnics is their book 511 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 2: fares is their zine fares? Like? Is there like even 512 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:55,639 Speaker 2: gaming conventions? Right, just places that there might be a 513 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:59,200 Speaker 2: number of trans people gathered and talk to them about 514 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,920 Speaker 2: being transd talk to them about the issues that you're facing. 515 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 2: It might take a few months to gain trust and 516 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 2: become friends, but that's just how friendships work anyway, and 517 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 2: that can be challenging. And there may not be something 518 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 2: like this in a city super close to you, which 519 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 2: is why online connections are useful, and sometimes it might 520 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 2: require a little bit of travel. Now, what we can do, 521 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 2: at least right now is stockpile things in case things 522 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 2: get harder to maintain or produce. There's multiple forms of 523 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 2: these hormones that can be stored, and I do believe 524 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 2: that there will be some form of home brewed option 525 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,920 Speaker 2: that will most likely continue to exist even if prescribed 526 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 2: hormones get restricted. And a part of why I emphasize 527 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 2: kind of doing this in person as well, especially if 528 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,479 Speaker 2: you're a minor, that will just get more dangerous to 529 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 2: do under a second Trump term. I will point people 530 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:50,680 Speaker 2: to the website diyhrt dot wiki. It's currently the best 531 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 2: information source on dosing testing, how to find supplies and 532 00:26:54,920 --> 00:27:00,159 Speaker 2: options for ordering hormones now, because changing legal paperwork on 533 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 2: the federal or state level often takes a while. If 534 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,879 Speaker 2: that's something that you want to do, now is the 535 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 2: time to start. There's still seventy days until Trump takes 536 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,360 Speaker 2: office and some of these changes could start being put 537 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:18,879 Speaker 2: into effect. You should absolutely apply for a passport now. 538 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 2: Depending on many variables, it may be advantageous to have 539 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 2: your legal name and gender marker match whatever you more 540 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 2: easily pass as, rather than your gender identity. Now I 541 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 2: understand why this is less than ideal and if you 542 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 2: think that this might just inhibit your transition progress and 543 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 2: push you further back into the closet, especially if the 544 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,239 Speaker 2: option of changing your gender marker on federal documents just 545 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 2: like goes away during the next four years, then people 546 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:50,160 Speaker 2: should just go ahead and get that stuff changed asap. 547 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 2: But it's something to reflect on and consider. Lastly, I 548 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 2: want to mention something about personal safety. Over the course 549 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 2: of the past week, I've from friends around the country 550 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 2: experiencing a spike in anti queer and misogynistic violence chuds, 551 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,640 Speaker 2: frat boys, and just asshole men have been way more 552 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 2: willing to just openly harass queer people out in public. 553 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 2: Some of this I think is just Trump supporters quote 554 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 2: unquote celebrating the election results. But once Trump takes office, 555 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 2: I expect this type of harassment to start slowly increasing 556 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:29,200 Speaker 2: as truds feel like they can get away with more 557 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:33,640 Speaker 2: just open misogyny, homophobia, racism, etc. I know a lot 558 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 2: of people have been talking about or posting about buying firearms, 559 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 2: and firearms is one of the last things you should 560 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,240 Speaker 2: buy in a panic. This is a very careful and 561 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 2: calculated choice for you need to make about your own 562 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 2: personal safety, your own mental health, your own willingness to 563 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,280 Speaker 2: carry and train with the gun. This is its own topic, 564 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 2: but I do recommend buying and carrying pepperjel for basically 565 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 2: all queer people and women. It's a great self defense tool. 566 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 2: It spreads less than pepper spray, so you're going to 567 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 2: be less likely to just spray yourself. Saber is a 568 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 2: good brand. Buy it for yourself, buy it for your friends. 569 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 2: Uh Mia, do you have anything else you want to add? 570 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, two things. One. 571 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 3: People have been asking for book macrumentation, so we're giving 572 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 3: them to you. 573 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 4: We're only given to you to you at the end 574 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 4: of the episodes. You got to stay around. 575 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 3: And I think something that's good to read in this 576 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 3: moment on trans isssues is Julius Serrano's book Whipping Girl. 577 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 3: I've had Julius Runnold on the show before. She is 578 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 3: one of the most important, I mean, honestly like feminist 579 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 3: theorists of the last of this century. And there's a 580 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 3: new additional Whipping Girl that's come out recently, and it 581 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 3: is it is one of the fundamental sort of texts 582 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 3: to understand the experience to transfent people in this country 583 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 3: and why things have gotten the way that they've gotten. 584 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 3: So yeah, go go read Whipping Girl. It's spectacular. And 585 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 3: then I want to plug one more thing that you 586 00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 3: can give money to. So I mean again, another very 587 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 3: effective way for s people to support trans people is 588 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 3: give them money, because all of us are unbelievably broke 589 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 3: like all of the time. Another place you can give 590 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 3: money to is the TRANSSICE Funding Project. We'll have that 591 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 3: in this too, when they they give out grants to 592 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 3: other just like trans groups who are doing organizing or 593 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 3: doing other kinds of support work. Mutual land, et cetera, 594 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 3: et cetera. So that's money that goes directly to trans people. Yeah, 595 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 3: and then, obviously, as we've said, this is the forces 596 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 3: people part of the episode. After our after our four 597 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 3: trans people part, go call your congress people, Go pressure them, 598 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 3: Go show up to their offices and make it extremely 599 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 3: clear that it is unacceptable to write off trans people 600 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 3: and that they need to be willing to successfully stop 601 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 3: these writers and successfully do whatever they can to chant 602 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,120 Speaker 3: out the works to make sure that the Republicans cannot 603 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,320 Speaker 3: pass bills that will harm us even more than the 604 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 3: things that they're already going to do. 605 00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 1: It's happened Here is a production or pool Zone Media. 606 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 1: More podcasts from cool Zone Media, visit our website foolzonmedia 607 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 1: dot com, or check us out on the iHeartRadio app, 608 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever. 609 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 4: You listen to podcasts. 610 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 1: You can now find sources for it could Happen here 611 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 1: listed directly in episode descriptions. 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