WEBVTT - When the Story Moves Faster than the Truth | MiniPod

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<v Speaker 1>Native lampod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership with

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Nolan Well's coverage through

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<v Speaker 2>media literacy lens and the importance of verification. After almost

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<v Speaker 2>a month, there are still a lot of unanswered questions.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's important that we keep talking about this story.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's also important how it's talked about. So watch

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<v Speaker 2>this clip from TMZ, which I think also highlights how

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<v Speaker 2>fragmented information gathering has become and why the media landscape

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<v Speaker 2>is shifting so quickly, which I'll explain.

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<v Speaker 3>If it's all true that he stayed behind on the island,

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<v Speaker 3>was drinking, people saw him.

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<v Speaker 2>Now listen to how YouTuber Trent out Loud pushes back

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<v Speaker 2>on that, we.

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<v Speaker 3>Know when that picture was taken, we can align the

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<v Speaker 3>video with the distress call, and he wasn't on that boat.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but Harvey, how do you know?

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<v Speaker 2>So the questions that Trent raises are really important, at

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<v Speaker 2>the very least, just to try to verify the unfounded

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<v Speaker 2>claims that the outlet was making amid an ongoing investigation

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<v Speaker 2>that has the potential to influence a jury pool, a

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<v Speaker 2>grand jury pool. This exchange highlights how fragmented information gathering

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<v Speaker 2>has become. In mind you, this is TMZ making this claim,

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<v Speaker 2>which traditionally with celebrity stories has become the authority in

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<v Speaker 2>many ways, but not on a law enforcement investigation. And

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<v Speaker 2>you have Trend out Loud acting almost as a de

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<v Speaker 2>facto journalist in this case, pushing back for the audience,

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<v Speaker 2>and it shows how the media landscape is shifting so rapidly.

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<v Speaker 2>Part of it is because we used to trust the

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<v Speaker 2>outlets that have these huge platforms and believed that they

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<v Speaker 2>did their due diligence before passing along information. But now

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<v Speaker 2>we've seen multiple times, and in this case of Nolan

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<v Speaker 2>Well's coverage specifically, we've seen in real time the bias

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<v Speaker 2>and what seems to be a lack of fact checking

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<v Speaker 2>and real reporting. And that's why Trent asking these questions,

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<v Speaker 2>whether he got definitive answers or not makes a difference.

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<v Speaker 5>Here.

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<v Speaker 4>He's literally using media.

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<v Speaker 2>Literacy to ask about the credibility, about the validity of

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<v Speaker 2>those claims in real time, and that allows anyone watching

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<v Speaker 2>to realize, hey, wait, that thing that Harvey states as

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<v Speaker 2>a fact actually isn't one after all. And the more

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<v Speaker 2>you realize how media can be used for manipulation, the

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<v Speaker 2>better you can consume information.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm Jenny Norman.

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<v Speaker 2>I used to do the news. Now I just report

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<v Speaker 2>the facts and uncomfortable truths.

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<v Speaker 4>Welcome home, y'all. This is our mini pod. We are

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<v Speaker 4>thrilled to be joined today by a brilliant journalist formerly

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<v Speaker 4>with ABC, and boy do they miss her now because

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<v Speaker 4>she is kicking things off right and hot on the internet,

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<v Speaker 4>holding big media accountable for the narratives that they are

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<v Speaker 4>sharing overall, but particularly right now in the Nolan Wells case.

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<v Speaker 4>I've seen that video and we are thrilled to welcome

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<v Speaker 4>Jane Norman on Native Lampid. Welcome home, y'all. Hey, thank

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<v Speaker 4>you guys for having me. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>I am a fan, first time yeah for a long

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<v Speaker 1>time listener, first time caller. So I am I'm glad

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<v Speaker 1>to be in your presence, sure for sure.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, thanks for having this. So let's talk about what

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<v Speaker 4>you're like seeing in this Nolan Wells case, the Harvey

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<v Speaker 4>Leven clip that you kind of go through and say,

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<v Speaker 4>here are all of the challenges. Talk about why it's

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<v Speaker 4>so problematic to have mainstream media talking about the case

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<v Speaker 4>and the ways in which they.

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<v Speaker 5>Are, well, it's because they're talking about it before there

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<v Speaker 5>has been a full investigation, and because they were coming

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<v Speaker 5>to the conversation as if they knew what happened. That's

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<v Speaker 5>the problem that journalists came to this story thinking that

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<v Speaker 5>they already knew what happened, They knew it beginning to end,

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<v Speaker 5>and weren't there as journalists. Weren't there looking to find

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<v Speaker 5>information to verify information that they were getting, and that's

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<v Speaker 5>what continues to happen on these big platforms.

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<v Speaker 4>So in that particular case of.

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<v Speaker 5>What Harvey was sharing pointing to video that he got

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<v Speaker 5>from former officer Tatum, Thankfully, in that case we had

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<v Speaker 5>trend out Loud, this YouTuber who was basically acting as

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<v Speaker 5>a journalist and pushing back on those claims because the

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<v Speaker 5>other people that Harvey was talking to weren't doing that.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's why.

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<v Speaker 5>Typically Angela, what was happening in that clip with Harvey

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<v Speaker 5>at first before Trent came on, That's what should happen

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<v Speaker 5>in a newsroom, not what should happen on a platform

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<v Speaker 5>that is going out to lots of people. You can

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<v Speaker 5>be talking about the information that you're getting, but before

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<v Speaker 5>it goes out to all of these people. There should

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<v Speaker 5>be verification, there should be some vetting of this information,

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<v Speaker 5>and that doesn't seem to be what happened. But we

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<v Speaker 5>were able to have Trent there pushing back to say, well, Harvey,

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<v Speaker 5>how do we know when this video came? When when

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<v Speaker 5>did Officer Tatum provide you the metadata to be able

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<v Speaker 5>to make these claims so substantially on this platform, And

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<v Speaker 5>then to have Harvey at the end say well, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>anything's possible, So then you didn't know, so then why

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<v Speaker 5>were you saying it as.

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<v Speaker 4>If you did. That's the problem with so many of

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<v Speaker 4>these platforms. Why do you think that keeps happening? Because

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<v Speaker 4>it's not just happening with Harvey, it's happening quite a bit.

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<v Speaker 4>And if I think we'd be remiss if we didn't

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<v Speaker 4>acknowledge in the case of the missing black child, it's

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<v Speaker 4>happening over and over again. Why do you think that is? Jenny?

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<v Speaker 5>I would start with the question, Angela, why doesn't it

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<v Speaker 5>happen with a missing white woman?

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<v Speaker 4>Right?

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<v Speaker 5>Because we see when it happens, and we know when

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<v Speaker 5>it doesn't happen.

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<v Speaker 4>We know the stories.

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<v Speaker 5>That the media will go to, and they've got open ears,

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<v Speaker 5>and we know who they are offering the suspicion to

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<v Speaker 5>and who they are offering the benefit of the doubt to.

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<v Speaker 5>And in this case, it's flipped the way that it

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<v Speaker 5>normally would be for a missing white woman. And why

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<v Speaker 5>is that?

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<v Speaker 1>We know?

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<v Speaker 6>What?

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<v Speaker 1>How do I educate my mama and her chat group

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<v Speaker 1>on how to consume what to consume because they are

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<v Speaker 1>more worried and praying about this boy and his family.

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<v Speaker 1>But I've be damned every single day they don't get

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<v Speaker 1>some news off Facebook or somewhere else. I mean, how

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<v Speaker 1>do we educate people about how to consume news? I

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<v Speaker 1>mean we always talk about creators and warn them about

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<v Speaker 1>what to put out, but what should we consume at

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<v Speaker 1>all and just have our third eye? I mean, how

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<v Speaker 1>do we do that?

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<v Speaker 2>Well?

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<v Speaker 5>First off, we are so grateful for all of the

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<v Speaker 5>praying aunties, grandma's and mama's out there, But yeah, when

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<v Speaker 5>it comes to where we're getting our news, and this

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<v Speaker 5>is the thing, because we're looking around and looking at

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<v Speaker 5>the traditional news outlets that we have thought were the

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<v Speaker 5>places to get the verified information and we're realizing, hey,

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<v Speaker 5>you're not doing your job the way that you once

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<v Speaker 5>were or the way that we thought you once were.

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<v Speaker 5>So where do we go? That's sort of what we're

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<v Speaker 5>still figuring it out. We have to find the pockets.

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<v Speaker 5>We have to find the areas where information is being vetted,

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<v Speaker 5>where people are using their critical thinking skills, where people

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<v Speaker 5>are pushing back and asking the questions and being skeptical.

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<v Speaker 5>That's what we need a little bit more of. We

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<v Speaker 5>need more skepticism. When you hear something to think, one,

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<v Speaker 5>does that sound right? And if it doesn't, to go

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<v Speaker 5>look more, to check where you are getting your information from.

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<v Speaker 5>And yes, it's hard to say where you're getting it from,

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<v Speaker 5>but we've still got these outlets out there, and you

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<v Speaker 5>can still get the information from traditional news outlets. But

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<v Speaker 5>then you have to have enough wherewithal in your mind

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<v Speaker 5>to realize what's not being told here, what perspective are

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<v Speaker 5>they sharing it from, what voices are they including, who

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<v Speaker 5>are they not including why might they not be including

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<v Speaker 5>those voices, and be able to ask those questions to

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<v Speaker 5>understand what information you're getting and what information you're not getting.

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<v Speaker 4>I have a question around Nancy Grace being on the case.

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<v Speaker 4>I wonder if what you feel about this. This is

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<v Speaker 4>a woman who's deeply passionate about crime related cases. Lost

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<v Speaker 4>her fiance at a young age. But since then has

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<v Speaker 4>I mean she'd been on the case for me Janey

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<v Speaker 4>since oj Okay, So this is very serious. But also

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<v Speaker 4>Nancy's out there put some stuff out that hasn't in

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<v Speaker 4>fact check. So what do we tell To Bacari's point,

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<v Speaker 4>his momb I heard Chad group about this.

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<v Speaker 5>I think that listen, with this particular case, it has

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<v Speaker 5>to be trust but verify.

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<v Speaker 6>If you have your source that you have trusted for years,

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<v Speaker 6>for decades, Okay, trust but verify. And at this point,

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<v Speaker 6>unfortunately we're still waiting. It's gonna have to be trust

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<v Speaker 6>but verify with every piece of information we get because

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<v Speaker 6>it's coming through the hands and through channels that we

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<v Speaker 6>really can't trust.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's coming from Mississippi.

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<v Speaker 5>That's exactly it.

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<v Speaker 4>That's what I mean.

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<v Speaker 5>It's coming whether it's coming from law enforcement or from

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<v Speaker 5>other officials. We can only trust and verify so much.

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<v Speaker 5>There is only limited information. And that's why we need

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<v Speaker 5>these praying aunties and Grandma's for this family, because our

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<v Speaker 5>hearts go out to them because they should be getting

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<v Speaker 5>more answers than they are right now.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. Absolutely, Well, Jane, we are so grateful that you

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<v Speaker 4>could join us today. Briefly, we got to have you back.

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<v Speaker 4>We had this our other main show go long, and

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<v Speaker 4>of course we know you have several conflicts. So we're

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<v Speaker 4>going to welcome you back very very very soon to

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<v Speaker 4>do more if you have time.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome home.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank y'all so much. I appreciate it. Thanks, welcome home.

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<v Speaker 4>So we're really grateful for Janey joining us today. You

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<v Speaker 4>know what else is moving. I love Jenna Bakari. That

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<v Speaker 4>I think is fascinating. So allegedly there was a friend

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<v Speaker 4>of the family of Nolan Wells that joined who joined

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<v Speaker 4>uh Don Lemon's show the other day talking about what

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<v Speaker 4>they're really worried about is folks coming into Mississippi and

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<v Speaker 4>saying they're racist and all that. Those clips have been

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<v Speaker 4>pulled down, but this is what is still up. Let's

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<v Speaker 4>go ahead and roll that clip.

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<v Speaker 3>When you step into the middle of one of the

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<v Speaker 3>biggest stories in America, invoke a grieving family's name and

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<v Speaker 3>speak as though you're a care their trust the public doesn't.

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<v Speaker 3>The public, I think deserves to know whether the family

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<v Speaker 3>actually agrees. I think that is a fair assessment, and

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<v Speaker 3>in this case, they don't that alone, I think would

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<v Speaker 3>have made yesterday's interview extremely memorable. And then we started

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<v Speaker 3>talking about race, and you know how that is, Once

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<v Speaker 3>you start talking about race, it becomes a whole another show.

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<v Speaker 3>So we started talking about race, and then Emmanuel told

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<v Speaker 3>me that people outside Mississippi need to stop bringing up

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<v Speaker 3>Mississippi's racial history. He argued that Hollywood has convinced the

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<v Speaker 3>rest of America that the South is frozen in the past.

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<v Speaker 3>That was his I'm paraphrasing here. He said the interracial marriages,

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<v Speaker 3>mixed families, black and white people living together as evidence

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<v Speaker 3>that racism no longer defines where he lives. And then

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<v Speaker 3>he said something that really kind of got to me, right,

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<v Speaker 3>He said, a quiet racist isn't really a problem as

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<v Speaker 3>long as that racist keeps it to himself. He said,

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<v Speaker 3>who cares? Okay, I care?

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<v Speaker 4>Where do they find this man at? The question is

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<v Speaker 4>the older, older black man.

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<v Speaker 1>Was his friend?

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<v Speaker 4>No? No, no, it was a friend of the allegedly

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<v Speaker 4>a friend of the family. So yeah, I think that

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<v Speaker 4>what is troubling me are you know it feels like,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, there's always like cloud chasing in these cases.

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<v Speaker 4>B you see it more than I do given your

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<v Speaker 4>line of work. But what's what's crazy to me is

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<v Speaker 4>you're you're creating platforms for yourselves on the back of

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<v Speaker 4>this black but who were still trying to understand how

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<v Speaker 4>he left us. And I just think there has to

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<v Speaker 4>be something in you that says, you know what, now

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<v Speaker 4>is not the time. We don't know if race played

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<v Speaker 4>a role in this or not why because it's an

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<v Speaker 4>open perhaps murder investigation, but certainly in a homicide investigation

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<v Speaker 4>like we owe this family answers, the city, the county,

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<v Speaker 4>the state, this country owes this family answers. We should

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<v Speaker 4>not be out here trying to figure out how to

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<v Speaker 4>create something, some narrative. We just have to be careful.

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<v Speaker 1>Be more than careful. But I do, I do appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>trusted messengers like Don Lemon, and I think the anguish

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<v Speaker 1>that you see on your face is indicative of all

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<v Speaker 1>of us, because we like, who is this nigga? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>And we should not be asking questions like that. We

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<v Speaker 1>should be instead he I mean praying for that family,

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<v Speaker 1>praying for that community, because we don't know. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>at the end of the day, he could look, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>have any black bodies in rivers in Mississippi.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm trying. And then and the fact that we don't

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<v Speaker 4>even have to go back to life instruction or lynching era.

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<v Speaker 4>There are people who the corner, the current corner has

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<v Speaker 4>continually ruled no foul play, cause of death unknown, etcetera, etcetera.

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<v Speaker 4>But lo and behold here, you know we I don't

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<v Speaker 4>know this man is saying, we don't have to look

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<v Speaker 4>at Mississippi's racist past. You're right, we can look at

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<v Speaker 4>Mississippi's racist present.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's just stay focused on the race. But but past

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<v Speaker 1>is prolog in. Mississippi deser, Mississippi deserves this moment.

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<v Speaker 4>But I'm saying, if you don't want to look at

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<v Speaker 4>the past, we can look at right now. And it's

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<v Speaker 4>still problematic. It's still problematic. So yeah, I just think

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<v Speaker 4>that it's important for us to continue to uplift this story.

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<v Speaker 4>If there are others that come up that we don't

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<v Speaker 4>know about, please put bring them to our attention. It's

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<v Speaker 4>just it's it's mission critical. And we also I just

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<v Speaker 4>want to remind our black children, y'all, please have a

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<v Speaker 4>diverse friend group and folks who ain't bullying you or

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<v Speaker 4>putting you in bad situations. Folks who have you back?

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I don't know what happened in this case,

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<v Speaker 4>but I'm saying overall, I want you to be around

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<v Speaker 4>positive influences. You'll want nobody have you out here taking drugs,

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<v Speaker 4>is selling drugs. I don't want you to have nobody

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<v Speaker 4>out here having you drink too early, don't want you

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<v Speaker 4>to get tatted up too early, and damn sure, don't

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<v Speaker 4>want you falling in the water. Now, how you gonna

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<v Speaker 4>talk to me about typing in here? You go?

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<v Speaker 1>I was just pulling something up. But also parents, parents

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<v Speaker 1>know who your fan group, who your son's friend group is,

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<v Speaker 1>and know who their parents are.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my god, be that was not that was?

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, you can edit that.

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<v Speaker 4>No you can't because for whatever reason you messed it

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<v Speaker 4>got hacked by the Microsoft people, the fake Microsoft people

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<v Speaker 4>rather yes, prayers to the family. Thank you for your

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<v Speaker 4>courage in this really, really difficult time. You have made

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<v Speaker 4>it your mission to be out in the streets conferences,

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<v Speaker 4>letting people know what happened to your son and trying

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<v Speaker 4>to prevent that from happening to other people's children. So

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<v Speaker 4>thank you, Kari. Seriously. Anyway, Welcome home, y'all.

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