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Speaker 1: All right, messed Up listeners, we are back with a

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Speaker 1: bit of a delayed emergency episode. As you guys know,

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Speaker 1: James is trekking through the jungles of Vietnam right now.

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Speaker 2: He is in the middle of absolute nowhere.

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Speaker 1: I believe he's in the kitchen of the hostel he's

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Speaker 1: staying in right now to try and get any sort

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Speaker 1: of internet connection on his phone. We have to talk

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Speaker 1: about Frankie Montas news. We didn't want to put out

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Speaker 1: an episode without mentioning this because it is important. This

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Speaker 1: is also one of our guys, Frankie Montas here on

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Speaker 1: the podcast. As we know, he is out for six

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Speaker 1: to eight weeks due to a lat injury. He hasn't

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Speaker 1: even begin throwing, which basically puts him to at the

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Speaker 1: best case scenario being ready to start maybe in May,

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Speaker 1: probably more likely June, if everything goes really well, and

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Speaker 1: we just want to talk about it, what's going on

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Speaker 1: with Frankie Montas, what's going on with the rotation and

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Speaker 1: everything like that. Make sure you guys are following us.

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Speaker 1: Subscribe to the mess of podcast YouTube channel. I truly

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Speaker 1: have no clue how long this is going to be,

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Speaker 1: but we just wanted to drop a little bit something

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Speaker 1: for you guys. So you have some content on Frankie Montas,

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Speaker 1: James out in Vietnam. What are you feeling about Frankie?

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Speaker 1: What have you been hearing?

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Speaker 3: I mean, it just sucks that this was like the

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Speaker 3: first signing that Met's made this offseason, and now immediately

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Speaker 3: he gets hurt before he starts throwing, and he was

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Speaker 3: these murmurs of people being critical of David Searns, and

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Speaker 3: it's also us have been some of the most positive

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Speaker 3: people at David Searns since he was hired for this job.

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Speaker 3: He's done a great job in general. This is probably

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Speaker 3: the first time where something he's done can come a

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Speaker 3: bit into question. I think there's two sides of that,

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Speaker 3: where it's like maybe giving Frankie Manzas thirty four million

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Speaker 3: guaranteed dollars in the beginning of December before the pitching

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Speaker 3: marketing moved a lot, especially seeing the contracts that wind

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Speaker 3: up being given to Jack Flay Nick Pavetta doesn't look

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Speaker 3: that good in retrospect, but also that's kind of Revision's

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Speaker 3: history because the Mets need to fill three or four

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Speaker 3: starting rotation spots, and they're able to give Frankie Montsis

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Speaker 3: less money than guys got early, but there was more

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Speaker 3: He's basically this is supposed to be this year's Liui Severino,

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Speaker 3: which is like, let us trust you to give one

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Speaker 3: hundred and sixty innings for a three seven three era

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Speaker 3: him until I don't know. I think I'm a little

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Speaker 3: more pessimistic than you. I think the middle of June

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Speaker 3: I think we get to a spot this year with

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Speaker 3: We don't really have enough good guys in the middle

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Speaker 1: It is pretty funny how every single year Tyler McGill

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Speaker 1: every single year during training that gets him right back

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Speaker 1: biggest thing here is we got the Tyler McGill text

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Speaker 1: you up. Now, we got to see what Tyler McGill's got.

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Speaker 1: He's been in this scenario before, which at least that's

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Speaker 1: something that makes me feel better, is that he has

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Speaker 1: those are very similar reasons why David Serns and other

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Speaker 1: always been the fear with him is that he is

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Speaker 1: kind of like you did with Severino, as you mentioned.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, now, kind of the hope is that someone else

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Speaker 3: you're like, does Griffin Cannon have a three point sixtyright

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Speaker 3: you talk about a lot of the positives that Griffin

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Speaker 3: just Tyler McGill, because if I talk about every single

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Speaker 3: You guys are gonna hate me, but go still by

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Speaker 3: far has the best upside of anybody in that list

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Speaker 3: because McGill still has three pitches he can rely on.

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Speaker 3: He's a four I guess kind of with the fastball

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Speaker 3: Like you're literally looking at a guy who can be

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Speaker 3: And he has the fastball and he has the sinker

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Speaker 3: fucking hay He's be four years talking about Tyler McGill

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Speaker 3: having potential. But like again, if that pitch has a

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Speaker 3: And then I guess past that, I heard a lot

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Speaker 3: of the reason I think David turns now acquire Paul

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Speaker 3: we have you next year, give us innings then. I

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Speaker 3: don't think anyone could have foreseen a spinal fluid leak.

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Speaker 3: transmission your car starts leaking, you know you're not getting

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Speaker 3: it's very fucking serious. So it's just alive. That comes

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Speaker 3: back down now to Tyler McGill, Griffin Canning. We hope

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Speaker 3: he Blackburn's ready, And then I wonder if they're thinking

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Speaker 3: we haven't heard that mentioned. I'm sure spring training games

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Speaker 4: Be, uh Todd Father, Remember the good old days when

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Speaker 4: the good old days, were they?

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Speaker 1: I feel like there's also a possibility for a Jose

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Speaker 2: It's gonna take the time to get back.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you give Jose Kingtan, you go to him and

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Speaker 1: Jose Kintana was amazing down the stretch for a match.

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Speaker 3: He's the true wildcard. But also with Katana, I feel

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Speaker 3: to spro I keep thinking about Brandon Sproke because he

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Speaker 3: But I don't know. We'll just see what happens here.

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Speaker 3: whether where it's like the Tigers gave Jack Flair the

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Speaker 2: This is why we didn't make the playoffs. So fuck him,

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Speaker 2: Fuck Jack Claire. We don't didn't want them, didn't want them.

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Speaker 1: But I don't know anything else to talk about here,

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Speaker 2: The late emergency episode up?

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Speaker 3: Time for the wrap up? Because someone catches me in here.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what's gonna happen.

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Speaker 1: All right, guys, I'm not even gonna do the typical

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Speaker 1: outro subscribe, follow us all that good stuff.

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Speaker 2: Let James be safe in Vietnam, and I'll peace out.

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Speaker 3: See you, catch you guys soon. Let's go, Mets,