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Speaker 1: Joining us now as former federal prosecutor Frederick TC, a

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Speaker 1: partner at Ice Miller. Fred what was your reaction to

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Speaker 1: the president statements? Well, you know what, you know me,

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Speaker 1: I've always been kind of a strict law and order gigual.

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Speaker 1: But the fact the matter is, as judas the fact

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Speaker 1: matter is, is is that I found this comments very troubling.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's that's not the kind of police that's

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Speaker 1: not the kind of police tactics that have been shown

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Speaker 1: to be effective. And it's not the kind of police

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Speaker 1: tactics that for the last couple of decades the police

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Speaker 1: have been trying to move away from more towards community policing,

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Speaker 1: which are a lot more effective. Were you surprised that,

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Speaker 1: you know, it was as if the police departments spoke

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Speaker 1: with one voice, whether it was New Orleans or Boston,

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Speaker 1: or l A or New York, all condemning this. I'm

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Speaker 1: not surprised at all. Jud And the fact the matter

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Speaker 1: is just that the police know, I mean, it's just

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Speaker 1: just been studies done, you know, the last couple of

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Speaker 1: decades have shown that just just just take it and

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Speaker 1: let me take it one step further. Just kind of

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Speaker 1: a sheer brute force doesn't work. It's an not effective

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Speaker 1: and and from a global standpoint, and even down from

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Speaker 1: one on one with the with the rest and dealing

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Speaker 1: with people on an individual basis, beating people up and

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Speaker 1: engage in brute force just makes things more difficult, makes

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Speaker 1: it worse, undermines the relationship between the police and their community,

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Speaker 1: and these kind of words don't help. Well, Fred, you know,

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Speaker 1: this is different than what you sometimes hear when people

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Speaker 1: are saying that you shouldn't blame the whole police department

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Speaker 1: for a few bad apples. This is really about and

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Speaker 1: you know, the entirety of how police should interact with suspects,

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Speaker 1: isn't it? Well, it is. I mean, you can't blame

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Speaker 1: the things on a few bad apples. But but look,

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Speaker 1: I personally find very troubling, uh, the undermining of police

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Speaker 1: authority over the last couple of years. I find troubling

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Speaker 1: the fact that police killings are up by what almost

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Speaker 1: and it's a very very dangerous world out there for police,

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Speaker 1: and it continues to get more so. But but my

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Speaker 1: but the point is is that comments like this and

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Speaker 1: statements like this don't help any police officers. They don't

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Speaker 1: have the force it doesn't help the force deal with

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Speaker 1: people with with with one bad apple or two bad apples.

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Speaker 1: It's not It is not the kind of attitude and

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Speaker 1: approach that helps and and and and and in fact,

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Speaker 1: it undermines the police's ability to do their job. And

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Speaker 1: at the end of the day, what everybody wants is

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Speaker 1: an effective police force and the half our streets be safe.

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Speaker 1: And on Friday night, the President retweeted that, you know,

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Speaker 1: expressing defiance. I guess in the wake of the criticism,

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Speaker 1: he tweeted out a video of the speech. This whole department.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we have Attorney General Jeff Sessions ordering the

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Speaker 1: Justice Department to undertake a comprehensive review of all police

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Speaker 1: reform activities, including any consent decrees. What signals does that

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Speaker 1: send out in about a minute, Fred Well, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think it's I think we need to be circumspected

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Speaker 1: our approach to the police forces, and and and having

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Speaker 1: the Justice departments kind of walk in and I don't

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Speaker 1: want to say second death, but I'll use that for

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Speaker 1: lack of a better term. And and I think that

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Speaker 1: in the wake of a lot of incidents that happened

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Speaker 1: over the last couple of months, I think you saw

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Speaker 1: a little bit of an overreaction, and what I'm hoping

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Speaker 1: is that things move kind of back to more of

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Speaker 1: a sense of stasis, a little bit more of a

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Speaker 1: sense of balance, where real legitimate problems are dealt with

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Speaker 1: effectively by local law enforcement and working in conjunction with

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Speaker 1: the Justice Department, and and things move forward on a

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Speaker 1: positive note. Thank you so much, as always is a

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Speaker 1: pleasure to have you on Bloomberg Law. That's former federal

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Speaker 1: prosecutor Frederick TC He's now a partner at Ice Miller