WEBVTT - LISTEN | Jets Draft Podcast | Daniel Jeremiah Reviews the 2021 Draft Class (5/11) 0:00:04.360 --> 0:00:07.680 Welcome to another edition of the Official Jets Podcast. Very 0:00:07.720 --> 0:00:10.719 special guest at Moved to Sticks Daniel Jeremiah. Of course, 0:00:10.720 --> 0:00:13.280 he has his own podcast, to Move the Sticks Podcast, 0:00:13.320 --> 0:00:15.680 along with Bucky Brooks and DJ. Let's dive right into 0:00:15.680 --> 0:00:18.560 it here. We know you're a fan of the Jets draft, 0:00:18.640 --> 0:00:20.479 especially in the early part of the round. But I 0:00:20.520 --> 0:00:23.919 want to do a cross sport analogy here because Zack Wilson, 0:00:24.239 --> 0:00:27.200 I've heard the comparison that he's almost like a short 0:00:27.240 --> 0:00:30.240 stop under center. So what do you think about that 0:00:30.320 --> 0:00:32.080 comparison and why is it a good one? If you 0:00:32.080 --> 0:00:35.040 think it is, yeah, I like it. I actually had 0:00:35.040 --> 0:00:38.159 a conversation with David Cutcliff about this at Duke, who 0:00:38.240 --> 0:00:40.720 is one of the best quarterback teachers there is having 0:00:41.200 --> 0:00:43.880 you know, talk to Manning's coming up and and also 0:00:43.920 --> 0:00:46.680 had Daniel Jones under his tutelage. But guys have gone 0:00:46.680 --> 0:00:50.040 to him forever with quarterback stuff. And we talked about 0:00:50.080 --> 0:00:51.840 kind of where the game was going and what maybe 0:00:51.960 --> 0:00:54.320 is more important now than it ever was before. And 0:00:54.360 --> 0:00:56.240 he talked about hand quickness, like if you think about 0:00:56.280 --> 0:00:58.480 all the r P O stuff we have uh in 0:00:58.520 --> 0:01:00.720 the NFL right now, we're just right back and then 0:01:00.720 --> 0:01:02.880 boom ball comes out. And he said, it's it's like 0:01:02.920 --> 0:01:05.560 a shortstop. You want shortstops, they all just have. There's 0:01:05.600 --> 0:01:07.640 just super quick hands. If you think of like an 0:01:07.640 --> 0:01:11.120 Omarvis scale. You know some of those great defensive players 0:01:11.560 --> 0:01:14.760 at that position, Ozzy Smith going back dating myself a 0:01:14.760 --> 0:01:17.520 little bit, but those guys all just had dynamic, quick 0:01:17.520 --> 0:01:19.640 hands for those middle infielders. And I think when you 0:01:19.680 --> 0:01:22.800 watch Zack Wilson, you see some of those those same things. 0:01:23.040 --> 0:01:25.640 I tell people keep an eye with Zach once his 0:01:25.720 --> 0:01:28.199 left hand comes off the football and then how quickly 0:01:28.240 --> 0:01:29.520 the ball is out of his hand. I mean that 0:01:29.560 --> 0:01:32.360 to me is what shows you how dynamic he is. Uh. 0:01:32.480 --> 0:01:35.720 Speaking of a dynamic what about that arm, because it 0:01:35.800 --> 0:01:38.440 seems to not only is he have the quick hands, 0:01:38.480 --> 0:01:41.759 but it explodes off his hands, doesn't it. Yeah, he's 0:01:41.760 --> 0:01:44.400 got a strong arm. I mean it's it's uh, it's 0:01:44.400 --> 0:01:46.759 definitely a plus arm. And I don't think I would 0:01:46.800 --> 0:01:50.280 put it quite in that you know, Aaron Rodgers, Pat Mahomes, 0:01:50.400 --> 0:01:53.480 Josh Allen type type arm. But it is definitely in 0:01:53.520 --> 0:01:55.840 the in the upper echelon. And there's not a throw 0:01:55.880 --> 0:01:58.080 out there that he can't make. And the crazy thing 0:01:58.120 --> 0:02:00.240 to me is he can make those throw was with 0:02:00.320 --> 0:02:03.480 so much velocity without even having his feet really in 0:02:03.520 --> 0:02:05.200 the ground. I mean you'll see him on the move 0:02:05.280 --> 0:02:07.040 both feet up in the air, even in the pocket, 0:02:07.200 --> 0:02:09.480 similar to Rogers, where you'll see both feet come up. 0:02:09.800 --> 0:02:12.120 And then he's able to generate so much torque from 0:02:12.160 --> 0:02:14.239 his upper half and and and to be able to 0:02:14.280 --> 0:02:17.400 get juice on the ball. As a weenie arm quarterback, 0:02:17.639 --> 0:02:20.399 I know very well how you have to have your 0:02:20.440 --> 0:02:23.000 feet grounded in order to be able to get as 0:02:23.080 --> 0:02:25.359 much on it as you can. So I always made 0:02:25.400 --> 0:02:26.800 sure that I hit my back foot. It was like 0:02:26.800 --> 0:02:29.040 a crow hop. I mean I was. I was planted 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:30.799 in the in the uh in the ground to be 0:02:30.840 --> 0:02:32.280 able to get all my cleats in there to drive 0:02:32.280 --> 0:02:34.280 and throw. He didn't need to do that. Do you 0:02:34.320 --> 0:02:36.760 like that pairying with Mike Lafleur in the system He's 0:02:36.760 --> 0:02:40.679 going to run the Shanahan system here in New York. Yeah. 0:02:40.680 --> 0:02:42.800 I think it's the it's look, it's the most quarterback 0:02:42.800 --> 0:02:45.160 friendly system we have and that's why you're seeing it 0:02:45.480 --> 0:02:47.760 all over the league right now. And with some of 0:02:47.800 --> 0:02:50.519 the movement stuff, some of the boots Um under center 0:02:50.560 --> 0:02:53.640 play action back to the defense. We've seen Zack do 0:02:53.760 --> 0:02:55.920 that at b y U. I think he's very comfortable 0:02:55.919 --> 0:02:57.960 doing that. And I think what it's gonna do. It's 0:02:57.960 --> 0:03:00.560 gonna kind of define the field form and uh, and 0:03:00.560 --> 0:03:02.720 it's going to simplify some things for him. So that's 0:03:02.760 --> 0:03:05.520 what's so great about that offense. And and and I 0:03:05.560 --> 0:03:08.440 think people focus so much on the passing aspect of 0:03:08.480 --> 0:03:11.040 this offense, but you go back to Mike Shanahan and 0:03:11.080 --> 0:03:15.480 those Broncos teams. This this offense has always produced good, 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:18.640 good run game. So when you have a good run game, obviously, 0:03:18.680 --> 0:03:21.639 you know that's gonna that's gonna increase the numbers you're 0:03:21.639 --> 0:03:24.000 gonna see down in the box. It's gonna simplify your 0:03:24.040 --> 0:03:27.120 your vision and field of view down the field. So 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:29.040 that to me is gonna be key. I think they 0:03:29.160 --> 0:03:32.160 built up the offensive line nicely. Um over the last 0:03:32.160 --> 0:03:34.320 couple off season has done some nice work there. I 0:03:34.320 --> 0:03:36.000 think this is gonna a team that can really really 0:03:36.080 --> 0:03:39.040 run the football. You just munched the run game real quick. 0:03:39.360 --> 0:03:42.400 He's very good with the deception as well, isn't he? 0:03:42.480 --> 0:03:45.160 Because you know this that the Jets are gonna try 0:03:45.200 --> 0:03:47.360 to dial some things up down the field after they 0:03:47.400 --> 0:03:50.160 get that run game going with the play action. Yeah, 0:03:50.200 --> 0:03:52.320 and I think that's one of the things. Well there 0:03:52.360 --> 0:03:53.920 was trust me that you guys know there's a lot 0:03:53.920 --> 0:03:56.600 of things missing for that offense the last couple of years, 0:03:56.600 --> 0:03:59.160 but explosives. You know, being able to run the ball 0:03:59.320 --> 0:04:01.680 is what's gonna that up your explosive plays down the field. 0:04:01.680 --> 0:04:03.080 And you want to be able to pay that off. 0:04:03.520 --> 0:04:05.200 You know, you gotta run the ball successfully. You don't 0:04:05.200 --> 0:04:06.760 want to pay that off with a fifteen yard game. 0:04:06.800 --> 0:04:08.240 You want to be able to pay that off over 0:04:08.280 --> 0:04:10.600 the top for some big chunk plays. And I think 0:04:10.600 --> 0:04:12.640 that's one of the beautiful things about Zach. He's a 0:04:12.840 --> 0:04:15.440 he's a really good deep ball thrower. Now you've got 0:04:15.520 --> 0:04:17.279 two guys on the outside who can go up and 0:04:17.320 --> 0:04:20.120 get it in in Corey Davis and Denzel Mims. And 0:04:20.160 --> 0:04:22.080 now you've got somebody else who can just run away 0:04:22.120 --> 0:04:24.080 from everybody on the field and lie to you more. So, 0:04:24.680 --> 0:04:26.200 it's gonna be fun. It's gonna be watching the fun 0:04:26.200 --> 0:04:28.480 to watch this whole thing come together. Well, you kind 0:04:28.480 --> 0:04:30.800 of answered my next question, So let's let me pivot now, 0:04:31.080 --> 0:04:33.559 you look at Day three of the Jets draft, heavy 0:04:33.600 --> 0:04:36.800 on defense, and the three corners that they selected Michael 0:04:36.839 --> 0:04:40.440 Carter the second, Jason Pennock, and Brandon Ecles all very 0:04:40.480 --> 0:04:44.320 good athletes. What do you think about that approach where 0:04:44.360 --> 0:04:45.960 it seems like, you know what, like we're just gonna 0:04:46.000 --> 0:04:48.520 take a flyer on the athlete and we'll see what 0:04:48.600 --> 0:04:52.200 happens come training camp. Yeah. I mean, I just remember 0:04:52.200 --> 0:04:54.279 being in college and you maybe go to the gas station, 0:04:54.360 --> 0:04:57.200 you get like three scratchers, right, you know, he's hoping 0:04:57.240 --> 0:04:59.760 that maybe you get five bucks out of that thing, Um, 0:04:59.839 --> 0:05:01.440 that you could you could afford to go get some 0:05:01.440 --> 0:05:03.720 dinner the next night. That's what these are their glorified 0:05:03.760 --> 0:05:08.000 lottery tickets with these defensive players they took on Day three, heightweight, speed, 0:05:08.080 --> 0:05:11.320 you know, explosive players. Um, they don't have it all 0:05:11.320 --> 0:05:13.560 figured out just yet, but they can all really really run. 0:05:13.640 --> 0:05:15.919 So to me, if if if I'm the Jets and 0:05:16.040 --> 0:05:19.320 one of those dudes ends up hitting, that's that's gravy. Um. 0:05:19.360 --> 0:05:21.159 I thought they did a nice job of just taking 0:05:21.200 --> 0:05:23.560 some shots on some kids with not only with traits, 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:26.560 but real competitive kids too. Um. And I like to 0:05:27.080 --> 0:05:29.040 you know, Michael Carter number two. Have you figured out 0:05:29.040 --> 0:05:30.600 how you guys are calling these guys? By the way, 0:05:31.000 --> 0:05:33.360 Michael Carter one, Michael Carter too, what's the what's the plan? 0:05:33.839 --> 0:05:37.120 I think the corner will go Carter too, and the 0:05:37.200 --> 0:05:40.359 running back would just go Carter. Biggest surprise for you 0:05:40.400 --> 0:05:42.880 in the two thousand twenty one draft you mentioned Elijah 0:05:42.880 --> 0:05:45.880 more before. How shocked were you that he was sitting 0:05:45.920 --> 0:05:49.400 there at the top of the second and um, how 0:05:49.480 --> 0:05:52.880 much do you love his versatility? Yeah, he's easy player 0:05:52.880 --> 0:05:54.479 to love. The more I watched him, the more I 0:05:54.520 --> 0:05:56.960 liked him, and I just did not think there was 0:05:57.000 --> 0:05:58.520 any chance we get out of the first round. And 0:05:58.520 --> 0:06:01.159 talking to folks kind of in the last couple weeks, Um, 0:06:01.279 --> 0:06:04.039 everybody seemed to be on him, and uh, and hey, 0:06:04.160 --> 0:06:06.120 that's what happens in the draft things. You know, a 0:06:06.160 --> 0:06:09.000 move here there, a trade here there, and everything kind 0:06:09.000 --> 0:06:11.200 of falls out of sequence. And I thought, man, the 0:06:11.279 --> 0:06:14.240 Jets were the benefactors there. Um, you know, to me, 0:06:14.279 --> 0:06:16.600 it was him and Kadarius Tony were close. I ended 0:06:16.640 --> 0:06:19.239 up putting him over Kadarius Tony, and then the Giants 0:06:19.240 --> 0:06:21.480 felt otherwise, so they like Hidarius Tony and they pull 0:06:21.520 --> 0:06:24.120 a trigger on him. Um, But to me, Elijah More, 0:06:24.120 --> 0:06:26.040 I thought it was a little bit more natural hands 0:06:26.320 --> 0:06:28.760 and a little bit more reliable. They're both guys are 0:06:28.839 --> 0:06:30.880 you know, excellent in terms of the ball in their hands. 0:06:30.920 --> 0:06:33.080 But uh, I thought he was just a little bit better, 0:06:33.120 --> 0:06:35.080 a little more precise as a route runner, and just 0:06:35.120 --> 0:06:38.360 had a little more confidence in his hands there. So yeah, 0:06:38.400 --> 0:06:40.720 I was I was a little bit shocked, to say 0:06:40.760 --> 0:06:42.360 the least, that he was still there in the second round. 0:06:43.080 --> 0:06:46.880 You know, DJ, you mentioned before one of the three corners, 0:06:47.160 --> 0:06:48.720 if if the Jets were to hit on one of 0:06:48.760 --> 0:06:51.360 those guys to be selected in round four or five 0:06:51.400 --> 0:06:53.760 and six. Excuse me, what is hitting on those players 0:06:53.800 --> 0:06:57.279 mean through a scouts I, Oh, my gosh, it's huge. 0:06:57.920 --> 0:07:00.400 It's huge because you're gonna get a cheap starter for 0:07:00.400 --> 0:07:04.440 for you know, four years here, which is enormous, and 0:07:04.480 --> 0:07:06.839 that's what helps you be able to round out the 0:07:06.880 --> 0:07:09.440 rest of your roster. And I think that's the other 0:07:09.480 --> 0:07:11.640 thing that does is once you start to prove you 0:07:11.640 --> 0:07:14.160 can hit on these players, and Joe knows this from 0:07:14.200 --> 0:07:16.880 from all of his years in Baltimore, where you know 0:07:17.000 --> 0:07:18.560 you're not gonna be able to resign all these guys. 0:07:18.560 --> 0:07:20.720 Then when you when you take a you know, fifth round, 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:23.480 sixth round guy, he develops into a player and maybe 0:07:23.480 --> 0:07:25.400 you don't even sign him to a second contract, but 0:07:25.400 --> 0:07:27.160 he goes and gets big money elsewhere. Then you get 0:07:27.160 --> 0:07:29.160 the comp picks, and then you get more picks in 0:07:29.240 --> 0:07:31.160 this range of the draft. And it's just this wheel, 0:07:31.280 --> 0:07:34.080 the cycle that just keeps going and you can really, uh, 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:37.160 you know, add that volume and and that's that's the 0:07:37.240 --> 0:07:39.240 key to me. On day three. You know, if you 0:07:39.440 --> 0:07:41.560 if you have one team that comes into Day three 0:07:41.560 --> 0:07:44.320 and they've got six picks, another team comes into Day 0:07:44.320 --> 0:07:46.800 three and they've got two picks, dodds are in the 0:07:46.840 --> 0:07:49.120 favor that the team that's gets six shot shots at 0:07:49.160 --> 0:07:51.920 it's gonna come away with a couple of gems. So, um, 0:07:51.960 --> 0:07:54.720 I think having those numbers is huge and and showing 0:07:54.760 --> 0:07:57.440 that you can scout and produce players with those picks 0:07:57.560 --> 0:08:00.520 is huge. You know, Joe very well, how much did 0:08:00.560 --> 0:08:03.640 you like his move going up from twenty three to 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:07.360 fourteen and getting Elijah vera Tucker. With that being said, 0:08:07.400 --> 0:08:09.440 after your answer to that one, what do you think 0:08:09.440 --> 0:08:11.880 about the potential of that left side of the line 0:08:12.200 --> 0:08:15.560 with McKay Beckton and possibly Vera Tucker to the right 0:08:15.600 --> 0:08:18.760 of them. Yeah, I know he was. He was. He 0:08:18.840 --> 0:08:20.920 was really excited about that and have been thinking about 0:08:20.920 --> 0:08:23.400 that for a long time. So I was happy for him. 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:26.040 I thought Elijah Vera Tucker was one of the cleanest 0:08:26.040 --> 0:08:28.520 players in the whole draft. You know exactly what you're getting. 0:08:28.840 --> 0:08:31.360 And in such a weird year with not having a 0:08:31.400 --> 0:08:34.120 combine and not having as much interaction with these players, 0:08:34.120 --> 0:08:36.600 not having scouts on keep us, when you can find 0:08:36.679 --> 0:08:39.520 safe players in this draft, I think you do get 0:08:39.520 --> 0:08:41.880 aggressive and and you go get him. Now. He could 0:08:41.880 --> 0:08:44.680 have sat and and maybe tried to, you know, get 0:08:44.720 --> 0:08:47.600 something done it maybe it was pick sixteen and at 0:08:47.600 --> 0:08:50.720 the Cardinals. But I I admire the fact, Hey, we 0:08:50.760 --> 0:08:52.480 want him, let's just where do we need to go 0:08:52.520 --> 0:08:54.520 to make sure we get him. Let's not take any chances, 0:08:54.960 --> 0:08:56.600 uh and lock him in. And now, when you look 0:08:56.600 --> 0:08:58.560 at the left side of that line, and a lot 0:08:58.559 --> 0:09:00.600 of people say, man, you can just run left, run left, 0:09:00.920 --> 0:09:03.600 the other thing is and uh, when you have that 0:09:03.640 --> 0:09:07.079 type of power, if you want to run right, you 0:09:07.120 --> 0:09:08.760 have that left side of the line, it's gonna be 0:09:08.800 --> 0:09:11.400 like an avalanche. Just collapsing down the line of scrimmage 0:09:11.400 --> 0:09:14.480 and you're gonna have cutbacks for days. So uh yeah, 0:09:14.480 --> 0:09:16.400 they're they're gonna be able to really really do some 0:09:16.440 --> 0:09:18.760 things in the run game with those two guys. DJ 0:09:18.960 --> 0:09:22.120 last question before we let you go here. Last off season, 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:23.959 we spoke to you before the draft and you use 0:09:24.000 --> 0:09:26.720 the analogy for the Jets to jumping in a pool. 0:09:26.800 --> 0:09:28.600 Joe Douglas was jumping in the pool. You go down 0:09:28.600 --> 0:09:30.880 to the bottom, you launch yourself up, and you were 0:09:30.920 --> 0:09:34.440 focused on this offseason. Now that this offseason is essentially 0:09:34.440 --> 0:09:36.520 behind us and you look ahead to two thousand twenty 0:09:36.520 --> 0:09:38.600 two as well, what do you think about what Joe 0:09:38.600 --> 0:09:40.360 Douglas has done and what he's gonna be able to 0:09:40.400 --> 0:09:43.800 do moving forward, not only this year but next year. Well, 0:09:43.840 --> 0:09:46.640 I think they've got some foundation pieces which they didn't 0:09:46.679 --> 0:09:49.320 really have, and I think these foundation pieces are on 0:09:49.320 --> 0:09:51.200 the line of scrimmage when you look at what they've 0:09:51.240 --> 0:09:53.120 done with these two guys on the offensive line we 0:09:53.240 --> 0:09:55.719 just mentioned, you know, you know, one of the one 0:09:55.720 --> 0:09:57.640 of the jewels that he had on this roster. There 0:09:57.640 --> 0:10:00.520 weren't a lot, but Quentin Williams has got chance and 0:10:00.520 --> 0:10:02.120 you talk to people around the league, he's got a 0:10:02.160 --> 0:10:04.240 chance to be the second best defensive tackle on football 0:10:04.240 --> 0:10:06.400 this year. You know, Aaron Donald, he gets that play, 0:10:06.440 --> 0:10:08.120 he gets that room all to himself. We're not gonna 0:10:08.120 --> 0:10:10.240 mess with him. But I think Quinnin really has a 0:10:10.320 --> 0:10:12.480 chance to be that second guy. So you've got some 0:10:12.480 --> 0:10:15.400 some foundational pieces. Then you go out in free agency 0:10:15.400 --> 0:10:17.839 and accomplish what they did. Um, you go out and 0:10:17.840 --> 0:10:19.720 get a big time pass rusher to put on the 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:23.240 outside of Quentin Williams and Carl Lawson. Now you know, 0:10:23.280 --> 0:10:25.560 you look on the offense, they've got some weapons, there's 0:10:25.600 --> 0:10:27.880 still work to be done. And you look on that defense. 0:10:27.920 --> 0:10:30.640 I think when you look in the secondary, that corner position, 0:10:30.920 --> 0:10:33.319 hopefully some of those guys hit, but they're still work 0:10:33.400 --> 0:10:35.000 to be done there. And if there's some other another 0:10:35.040 --> 0:10:37.400 piece or two along that offensive line, maybe a premier 0:10:37.480 --> 0:10:40.120 tight end. But I feel like the foundation has been 0:10:40.200 --> 0:10:42.640 laid now and you're gonna start to see the progress 0:10:42.640 --> 0:10:45.839 here with this football team. DJ hull of a job 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:49.760 throughout this draft process. Hopefully you get some rest coming up, 0:10:49.760 --> 0:10:52.640 and good luck to your padres. Appreciate it. Man. We 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:54.400 gotta beat up in the San Francisco Giants for a 0:10:54.440 --> 0:10:58.080 couple of days here. Great stuff. Always nice having Daniel Jeremiah. 0:10:58.200 --> 0:11:00.319 Usually we have him on the podcast before the AFT. 0:11:00.520 --> 0:11:03.439 This time we got a draft recap, which is different 0:11:03.520 --> 0:11:07.240 insight from DJ but also another fan of the Jets draft. 0:11:07.360 --> 0:11:09.880 I'm glad you brought that up with him your last question. 0:11:10.080 --> 0:11:12.880 I know that resonated with you last year, that the 0:11:12.960 --> 0:11:17.360 Jets were at the bottom of the pool. Maybe now 0:11:17.760 --> 0:11:20.880 they're coming up and we're seeing that, and he just 0:11:20.920 --> 0:11:23.120 said it. I think the foundation is being a lady. 0:11:23.400 --> 0:11:26.400 The Jets are certainly have more pieces that have more 0:11:26.400 --> 0:11:29.040 talent on this roster, and Joe Douglas has done a 0:11:29.040 --> 0:11:34.880 fantastic job I think navigating throughout this offseason, free agency 0:11:34.920 --> 0:11:37.440 and the draft. I think we've talked about this before, 0:11:37.520 --> 0:11:41.880 but wide receiver might be the most improved position. I 0:11:41.880 --> 0:11:44.480 know Pro Football Focus recently put something out that said 0:11:44.520 --> 0:11:48.320 the Jets have the most revamped receiving corps out of 0:11:48.360 --> 0:11:50.760 all thirty two NFL teams, and I think there's definitely 0:11:50.800 --> 0:11:53.320 an argument to be made when you look at who 0:11:53.360 --> 0:11:55.840 was on the roster this time last year compared to now. 0:11:56.280 --> 0:11:59.800 Corey Dave. I mean, there's like considerable depth there, Corey Davis, 0:12:00.440 --> 0:12:05.679 Denzel Mims, Elijah Moore, Jamison Crowder, Keelan Cole. That right, 0:12:05.720 --> 0:12:08.240 there are six receivers and then we get two guys 0:12:08.280 --> 0:12:11.800 like Braxton Barrios, Vincent and Jeff Smith. And there's a 0:12:11.840 --> 0:12:13.560 couple other guys as well who are on this rock 0:12:13.640 --> 0:12:17.000 a lot of speed the wide receiver position. To uh, 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:19.839 you look at Elijah Moore, he's a sub four four guy. 0:12:20.000 --> 0:12:22.720 He joins the crew that it's sub four that includes 0:12:23.160 --> 0:12:26.679 sub for four, that includes Denzel Mims, both the Smiths 0:12:26.720 --> 0:12:29.440 that you just mentioned before. It's gonna be interesting to 0:12:29.480 --> 0:12:32.959 see how all that shakes out throughout training camp as 0:12:32.960 --> 0:12:35.400 far as the reps are concerned. And also the personnel 0:12:35.440 --> 0:12:38.560 package is employed by Michael la Fleur. But that was 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:41.880 the biggest surprise of the entire two thousand and twenty 0:12:41.880 --> 0:12:45.880 one draft class. Daniel Jeremiah said that Elijah Moore sitting 0:12:45.880 --> 0:12:48.520 there for the Jets at the top of the second round. 0:12:48.640 --> 0:12:52.160 That's huge for young quarterback in Zach Wilson. Yeah, And 0:12:52.160 --> 0:12:55.440 and what I liked most about the Jets draft, you 0:12:55.520 --> 0:12:59.800 addressed all three supporting casts that you could up for 0:13:00.160 --> 0:13:02.440 out wide in the backfield, Michael Carter in the back, 0:13:03.400 --> 0:13:06.920 Elijah Moore out wide, Elijah Vera Tucker up front, and 0:13:06.960 --> 0:13:09.800 it's a good situation. I think that Zack Wilson walks 0:13:09.840 --> 0:13:12.840 into and we're gonna have a couple more episodes on 0:13:13.000 --> 0:13:14.800 the draft class and then we're gonna put a bow 0:13:14.880 --> 0:13:16.960 on it and then we'll we'll look ahead. But kind 0:13:16.960 --> 0:13:19.079 of I want to focus on what you said talk 0:13:19.120 --> 0:13:21.560 about personnel packages. Let's flip to the defensive side of 0:13:21.559 --> 0:13:23.200 the ball for a minute here. Do you think about 0:13:23.280 --> 0:13:26.280 Jamie and Sherwood and Hams and Nosrel Dean playing box 0:13:26.320 --> 0:13:29.200 safety in college? The Jets turn in the card as 0:13:29.200 --> 0:13:32.480 a linebacker, so they're gonna be linebackers with the Jets. 0:13:32.720 --> 0:13:36.000 They're transitioning. And the and the analogy or the comparison 0:13:36.040 --> 0:13:38.920 that coach Sala used, How about Fred Warner at b 0:13:39.160 --> 0:13:41.040 y U. He said he didn't he didn't say that 0:13:41.080 --> 0:13:44.640 either one of those guys would play or become the 0:13:44.679 --> 0:13:47.160 same player. Fred Warner is now in the NFL. But 0:13:47.640 --> 0:13:51.640 Fred Warner was mostly an in space coverage linebacker for 0:13:51.720 --> 0:13:53.280 b y U. And now he's one of the best 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:56.320 linebackers in the NFL. And he was the third round pick. Interesting, 0:13:56.440 --> 0:13:59.640 uh anecdote or story I should say from Albert Breer 0:13:59.679 --> 0:14:04.240 there recently when he said the Jets coaching staff, Robert 0:14:04.240 --> 0:14:07.240 Sale of course there at the B y U pro day, 0:14:07.320 --> 0:14:10.880 asked him to go up and hug Zach Wilson to 0:14:10.960 --> 0:14:14.000 see how they compared as far as the heights were concerned. 0:14:14.040 --> 0:14:16.240 But yeah, Warner did a lot of good things under 0:14:16.320 --> 0:14:20.160 Robert Salo. But we got great insight on the Jets 0:14:20.200 --> 0:14:22.960 philosophy the linebacker position. Because it's funny. I was thinking 0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:25.520 about the positional previews that we did prior to the draft, 0:14:26.080 --> 0:14:33.720 and we talked about nes uh Hams as UH safety, 0:14:33.760 --> 0:14:37.520 but the Jets viewed him all along as a outside 0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:42.400 linebacker much like uh Jamian Sherwood. And you know Sherwood, 0:14:42.560 --> 0:14:44.720 I would imagine is gonna play a lot for the Jets. 0:14:45.120 --> 0:14:48.320 Um Hobbsa thinks that the Jets got first round value 0:14:48.360 --> 0:14:50.520 there and then you look at that position group, how 0:14:50.600 --> 0:14:53.840 that's improved in the offseason. Jets got a former first 0:14:53.920 --> 0:14:57.720 round pick in Jared Davis, and also C. J. Mosley 0:14:57.920 --> 0:15:00.080 is on this roster and Blake Cashman as well, and 0:15:00.880 --> 0:15:06.320 I think the linebackers room is the most interesting unit 0:15:06.400 --> 0:15:08.920 because I don't think we really know what to expect 0:15:09.400 --> 0:15:12.160 Jared Davis. Do you look at his track record in Detroit. 0:15:12.480 --> 0:15:14.720 He's got all the measurables, He's got the speed. Then 0:15:14.720 --> 0:15:17.000 he gets the reduced role in two thousand and twenty 0:15:17.000 --> 0:15:19.800 but has a better year. Many people would say. Then 0:15:19.800 --> 0:15:22.240 you think about c. J. Moseley question mark there because 0:15:22.240 --> 0:15:26.680 he's essentially played two quarters two and a half quarters 0:15:26.720 --> 0:15:29.240 in two years. And then Blake Cashman has been hurt, 0:15:29.240 --> 0:15:31.800 but when he's healthy, he's one of the fastest players 0:15:32.160 --> 0:15:35.600 on at the linebacker spot. And then you add these 0:15:35.600 --> 0:15:37.680 two guys as well. I just think that it's gonna 0:15:37.680 --> 0:15:41.520 be I'm very fascinated to see what happens in training 0:15:41.560 --> 0:15:44.040 camp when those guys actually touched the field. Listen, run 0:15:44.040 --> 0:15:46.760 and hit right. He wants solo, wants these guys to 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:50.800 move very well laterally and and playing space. And those 0:15:50.800 --> 0:15:53.080 guys fit that mold. And it all starts for the 0:15:53.160 --> 0:15:55.240 Jets up front when you run in a four three 0:15:55.320 --> 0:15:59.920 And like DJ said, Quinn and Williams, you know, as 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:03.720 we go ahead with this year, many people might think 0:16:03.760 --> 0:16:06.520 that he is the second best defense attacker in football 0:16:06.560 --> 0:16:10.840 and that's great as a start. You had Sheldon Rankins 0:16:10.840 --> 0:16:13.600 and free agency, a former first round pick who can 0:16:13.880 --> 0:16:16.760 push that pocket as well. Carl Lawson's your headliner on 0:16:16.800 --> 0:16:20.440 the outside. We talked about him numerous times. Vinny Curry 0:16:20.720 --> 0:16:24.560 gonna provide some depth there at the edge position. So 0:16:25.120 --> 0:16:27.920 it all starts up front and then we got insight 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:29.880 and as far as the philosophy is concerned at the 0:16:29.880 --> 0:16:32.120 linebacker position, I'd flip it to the offensive side of 0:16:32.160 --> 0:16:34.160 the ball. We didn't talk to DJ about him, but 0:16:34.640 --> 0:16:36.760 Michael Carter there at the fourth at the beginning of 0:16:36.760 --> 0:16:39.200 the fourth round great value as well. I really wanted 0:16:39.240 --> 0:16:42.800 to ask DJ if he had more time yet to go. Unfortunately, 0:16:43.880 --> 0:16:46.320 everyone talks about Michael Carter not being a burner but 0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:49.040 being a good fit for the system. I wonder what 0:16:49.120 --> 0:16:50.920 he would have thought about le Michael p Ryan in 0:16:50.920 --> 0:16:53.040 this system, because I think DJ was a fan of 0:16:53.200 --> 0:16:56.480 Michael p Ryan and I think they got similar speed. 0:16:56.760 --> 0:16:58.960 I'm not saying they have similar skill sets, but everyone 0:16:59.080 --> 0:17:00.920 is so gung hol on Michael Carter being such a 0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:02.600 great fit, and a lot of that, A lot of 0:17:02.600 --> 0:17:06.680 that has to do with his vision, his patience, his start, stoppability, 0:17:06.720 --> 0:17:10.040 and I'm just curious what he thinks about p Ryan's 0:17:10.080 --> 0:17:12.399 fit in this system because I feel like Michael p 0:17:12.560 --> 0:17:15.840 Ryan is almost the forgotten running back on the roster. 0:17:16.040 --> 0:17:18.560 I think it's fair, But if the Jets do do 0:17:18.600 --> 0:17:21.760 this by committee, they have a lot of options. Now, 0:17:22.119 --> 0:17:26.120 Michael Carter, Tevin Coleman, who's done some good things throughout 0:17:26.160 --> 0:17:29.520 his career. You mentioned uh La, Michael p Ryan, you 0:17:29.600 --> 0:17:32.199 got Ty Johnson still on this roster, Josh Adams, so 0:17:32.240 --> 0:17:34.840 you have a lot of options in an offensive backfield. 0:17:34.840 --> 0:17:37.080 What I like about Carter that's different than a lot 0:17:37.119 --> 0:17:39.800 of college players coming out is he's so adept coming 0:17:39.800 --> 0:17:42.480 out of the backfield catching it. And you talk about 0:17:42.800 --> 0:17:46.640 maybe he doesn't have this great time speed, Well, nobody 0:17:46.720 --> 0:17:50.280 was is explosive as he was in college football last 0:17:50.320 --> 0:17:53.760 year in terms of explosive runs. And he also is 0:17:53.800 --> 0:17:56.640 a sturdy blocker, So you like that entire package. Yeah, 0:17:56.720 --> 0:18:01.159 I think Michael Carter outside of the first two rounds, 0:18:01.160 --> 0:18:02.520 I think Michael Carter might have been one of the 0:18:02.560 --> 0:18:05.040 most popular picks in the draft in terms of where 0:18:05.040 --> 0:18:09.359 he was selected fit and I think that he checks 0:18:09.359 --> 0:18:10.879 a lot of boss for what the Jets needs. I 0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:13.320 will say one last thing before we wrap up. The 0:18:13.400 --> 0:18:16.119 one position or in terms of the draft that we 0:18:16.160 --> 0:18:19.800 haven't really talked about is the reported undrafted free agents. 0:18:20.080 --> 0:18:21.320 And I don't know if if there's a couple of 0:18:21.320 --> 0:18:22.760 guys that stand out to you that you want to 0:18:22.800 --> 0:18:26.360 talk about, but there are some intriguing prospects that are 0:18:26.440 --> 0:18:29.840 going to be involved in rookie minicamp. And then obviously 0:18:29.880 --> 0:18:31.439