1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. M 4 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the show. My name is Matt noel 5 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: Is on Adventures. They called me Ben. We are joining 6 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 1: with our super producer Paul Decant. Most importantly, you are you, 7 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: and you are here, and that makes this stuff they 8 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 1: don't want you to know. Matt. At the top of 9 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 1: the show, here we are, I have to say thank 10 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:52,599 Speaker 1: you for bringing this episode to Fruition because you and 11 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 1: I have talked in previous previous shows about UFO sightings. Right, 12 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 1: oh yeah, one of the most fascinating things that I 13 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: think can occur in this world. And over the years 14 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 1: we've covered various aspects of it, and we've often found, 15 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 1: um we we've often found people who will attempt to 16 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 1: explain a genre of sighting, like a type of sighting, 17 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:26,479 Speaker 1: or will attempt to explain a single incident. But what's 18 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 1: fascinating and startling to both of us, I believe is 19 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 1: that even in the modern day, there are so many 20 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: huge sightings that have been sort of lost to history. 21 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:41,680 Speaker 1: You may have you may be listening now, and you 22 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 1: may think I vaguely recall hearing something about something like 23 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: a specific incident, but too often we lose the details, 24 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 1: and too often we as a civilization forget to investigate 25 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 1: the actual nuts and bolts, specifics, the timelines, what happened 26 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 1: to win. Yeah. Absolutely, And and the most fascinating genre 27 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: within the UFO sighting of that type, for me at least, 28 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 1: is the mass sighting where it's not just you know, 29 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: a small group of people like a family or something 30 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: that saw something something like the Phoenix Lights, where there's 31 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 1: almost an entire town that has this sighting at one time, 32 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:30,919 Speaker 1: or something like what we're going to discuss today. And 33 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:34,519 Speaker 1: we have someone very special on the show today who 34 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 1: is currently directing and producing an entire film, a documentary 35 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: about one particular UFO sighting and encounter. His name is 36 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 1: Randall Nickerson. Welcome to the show, sir. Thanks guys, I 37 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 1: appreciate being here. Well, thank you for being on the 38 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 1: show with us. Come on currently. Currently, as as we speak, 39 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 1: there are questions that remain about a specific mass sighting 40 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 1: of an unidentified flying object in in Zimbabwe at a 41 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 1: place called the Aerial School. Could you tell us and 42 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 1: the listeners just a just a little bit about the 43 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 1: gist of this what people usually mean when they referred 44 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 1: to this phenomenon. It was an event that took place 45 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: in at the aerial school in a in a rural 46 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:34,679 Speaker 1: area of Zimbabwe in Africa, UH where a schoolyard of 47 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 1: children UH had seen miss craft of some kind silver 48 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: that had come down and UM sat down in the 49 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 1: back of the schoolyard about a d two hundred yards 50 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: back and they saw these creatures in black that got 51 00:03:56,160 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: that came out of this object and had some of 52 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: them many of them had eye contact with it and 53 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: one of them, at least one had approached the the playground. 54 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:16,599 Speaker 1: There are other witnesses also adults that were had witnessed 55 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: either the object itself in the sky. There was a 56 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:25,159 Speaker 1: lot of anomalies at the time also, but the main 57 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 1: incident seemed to be this school UM in Zimbabwe. So 58 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:37,159 Speaker 1: these are students that were outside and they experienced something. 59 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 1: How old are these kids that saw this thing and 60 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: roughly how many of them were there? Well, there were UM. 61 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:48,799 Speaker 1: It was a school had a children between the ages 62 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:56,160 Speaker 1: of six and thirteen. UH. The the number of children 63 00:04:56,240 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: that drew drawings had the headman Sir of the school 64 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:04,720 Speaker 1: had after the incident happened and there are the children 65 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 1: are all shook up. Uh. And initially the children were 66 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: not believed by the teachers, teachers or the headmaster. But 67 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:19,160 Speaker 1: after that they have gone home to their parents and 68 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 1: shared the story with their parents with their appropriate emotional 69 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 1: impact and all that. Um. The headmaster had had them 70 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 1: come come back and draw what they saw. So there 71 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:34,040 Speaker 1: were sixty drawings made, but through the research and meeting 72 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:37,279 Speaker 1: a lot of these people, um, there were quite a 73 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:40,840 Speaker 1: few more than that. So that's that's a fascinating point then, 74 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: because it sounds like the sixty plus children were talking 75 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:51,840 Speaker 1: about and the drawings these all are only the witnesses 76 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: and the depictions of which we're currently aware. Um. There 77 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: there's one interesting thing we found here, which is that 78 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 1: in the aftermath of the sighting, the children were interviewed 79 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 1: by the BBC Bureau chief for Zimbabwe. Is that correct? 80 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 1: That's correct. Yeah, he was the first one to interview 81 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:18,719 Speaker 1: the children. He was the first uh UM person with 82 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:22,160 Speaker 1: a camera. Um. And he happened to be with a 83 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 1: you know what was the BBC uh to um to 84 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 1: show up at the school and actually start asking questions, 85 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:34,159 Speaker 1: what what did m would that initial reporting? You know 86 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:38,040 Speaker 1: a lot of times when UFO sightings make the news, 87 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:41,600 Speaker 1: it's almost in a joking way, or there's a there's 88 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:45,160 Speaker 1: a bit of um it's it's not looked at with 89 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 1: really any type of seriousness, even in UM perhaps especially 90 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:56,359 Speaker 1: in how was it treated when it initially hit the news. Uh, 91 00:06:56,520 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 1: it was treated similarly that it wasn't taken seriously. Uh 92 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 1: in the beginning. I think the BBC reporter didn't take 93 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:08,479 Speaker 1: it seriously. He was trying to you know, when he 94 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 1: was interviewing the children's like, sir, it wasn't a helicopter. 95 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: He's sure it wasn't, you know, normal standard things. Um. 96 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: So Yeah, there was a lot of skepticism, um by everybody, 97 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 1: the teachers, the parents, um, for the whole event. Um. 98 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: So it was difficult for the for the witnesses, which 99 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 1: often I think after meeting a lot of other witnesses 100 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 1: from other incidents around the world that involved you know, 101 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 1: uh UFOs or um unidentified aerial phenomena, you know they're 102 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: it's they're not It's hard for people to to find 103 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 1: a place where they can actually share their experience Yeah. 104 00:07:56,040 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 1: And one thing that's fascinating about the timeline here with 105 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 1: this sighting in particular, is while while many mass media 106 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 1: outlets so often, as you and Matt pointed out, so 107 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: often treat these reports with anywhere from skepticism to a 108 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 1: dismissive tone. Uh, this story did not did not disappear. 109 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: In fact, Harvard psychiatrist Dr John mack became involved. Correct, 110 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 1: That's true. Yes, he came. He was called by the 111 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 1: BBC reporter to UM because the BBC reporter was felt 112 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:37,199 Speaker 1: like he was out of his way, out of his 113 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 1: territory and needed UM more professional guidance. UM. Dr John 114 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:47,199 Speaker 1: Mackie's a Harvard psychiatrist, he had won the Pulitzer Prize. 115 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: He had UM spent twenty years as a child psychiatrist 116 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 1: psychoanalyst and so had a lot of experience with children. UM, 117 00:08:56,920 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: and he was he went traveled to Mbabwe to UM 118 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: to investigate this this incident, and I was very interested in, 119 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:12,559 Speaker 1: you know, seeing seeing what it's legitimacy was, if it 120 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 1: if it was legitimate, and what that meant, you know. UM. 121 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 1: He was looking into at that time UFO, UM reports 122 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: and witnesses and he at that point was starting to 123 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 1: look globally, you know, not just about incidents in the 124 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 1: United States, but incidents in South America, Africa, UH, European 125 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 1: countries to see how widespread the phenomenon was because Dr 126 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:46,679 Speaker 1: mac had started to take it seriously after he had 127 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: met UM some what UH to think about ten witnesses 128 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 1: that he UM was introduced to in his he. When 129 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 1: Dr mac first approached this, he thought that this was 130 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: some kind of psychiatric phenomena, some kind of the psychiatric 131 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 1: that it was coming from the person, not an external 132 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: actual reality. But when he started to meet people that 133 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 1: UH and he that he put through psychological psychological screening tests, UM, 134 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 1: he found that they were telling the story that was 135 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 1: had all the ear marks of real experience. I think, UM, 136 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 1: you know this, this whole phenomena is I think generally 137 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: the public is not highly educated about you know, things 138 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 1: that are normal, you know, astronomical events, UM. And the 139 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 1: reason I'm bringing that up is because there are a 140 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 1: lot of reports that are just you know, everyday objects 141 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: that astronomers know or other people are aware of, you 142 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 1: know that that specialized in those fields, UM, But there's 143 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:09,200 Speaker 1: a lot that we don't know. There's been many studies 144 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 1: about the unidentified aerial phenomena UH that show like, you know, 145 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 1: out of all the reports, probably five are legitimate mysteries 146 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 1: because largely the general public is not educated in a 147 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 1: way UM to know, UM, you know what what what 148 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 1: occurs normally in the sky. Astronomers know, people that spend 149 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 1: a lot of time out at you know, in in 150 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:43,559 Speaker 1: in the environments at night, or educated in that department, 151 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 1: UM to know and if it's venus rising on the 152 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: horizon or are setting on the horizon and or some 153 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 1: other objects fireballs or space to breathe. There's there's so 154 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 1: many different things that can be misidentified UM and be 155 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 1: be a shock to somebody who's never seen them or 156 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 1: isn't aware of of of you know, the I S 157 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 1: s the space station when it crosses over, it's pretty 158 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 1: amazing site. So I just wanted to bring that up 159 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 1: because I think it's important that you know that there 160 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 1: are reports that you know, a lot of them that 161 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 1: are just can be relegated to um things that are 162 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 1: just normal, you know, things that just happened. But then 163 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 1: there's that five percent, which is what interests anybody looking 164 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 1: into this, that are truly legitimate, you know, I'm really 165 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 1: glad you you talked about that because a lot of 166 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:49,119 Speaker 1: a lot of writing I've seen online about this just commenting. 167 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 1: You know, anyone who has an Internet connection can comment 168 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 1: now on anything, and some of the more derisive comments 169 00:12:56,120 --> 00:13:00,439 Speaker 1: I've seen about this particular event are about, Hey, these 170 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 1: are kids. These are kids who saw something. They were 171 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 1: probably making stuff up. Maybe they just saw something and 172 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 1: they're all, you know, it was a helicopter or something, 173 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:14,680 Speaker 1: and they decided to make a game out of it. Um. 174 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 1: In particular, these children are, these are well spoken kids. 175 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 1: You you got your hands on the documentary, all of 176 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 1: the footage, basically the news footage, and you're using it 177 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 1: to craft your documentary. Can you talk to us a 178 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 1: little bit about just what these kids sound like? Why 179 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:36,440 Speaker 1: what it's you know, they sound credible just to me 180 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 1: sitting here watching a trailer for the aerial phenomena. But 181 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 1: talk to me about being immersed in that just for 182 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:46,440 Speaker 1: as long as you have been. What are these kids like? Uh, 183 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 1: They're they're highly intelligent, all of them. It's in the 184 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: school itself is a christ is a Christman school still, um, 185 00:13:54,760 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 1: And you know, they they're very highly educated children and 186 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: partly due to the teaching staff and how much love 187 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 1: and care they give their students. UM. Being immersed in 188 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 1: it and meeting these children as adults has been UM, yeah, 189 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 1: it's been a really beautiful experience just on a personal level, 190 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: like getting meeting meeting just another person, but they have 191 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 1: actually happened to have a story that I'm interested in 192 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: and seeing I guess part of it. Uh, you know, 193 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 1: people say, well, why you know, yeah, these kids may 194 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 1: have made something up or I just find that really 195 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 1: difficult to believe because I have are all the archival 196 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: of you know, they've been interviewed half a dozen times 197 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 1: by you know, several of these different news outlets and reporters, 198 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 1: you know when it happened, immediately after it happened, and 199 00:14:57,160 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 1: the consistency in those reports, it's just riveting. It's just 200 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 1: it's fascinating just on that level of the consistency that 201 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 1: children that young can tell the same story from their 202 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 1: own perspectives that you know, corroborates every other one and 203 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 1: they're not like getting together. I've never I haven't seen 204 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: that we're getting together and you know, coming up with 205 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 1: something or you know that doesn't seem to be that way, 206 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 1: and as adults, they're still they still think of that 207 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 1: day out of any day in their life, what happened 208 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 1: on that day. It's it's it's fresh to them. UM. 209 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 1: So I went through my own struggle of like, well, 210 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 1: did this happen or did this not happen? What? What 211 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 1: are the other possible explanations for this? And um, But 212 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 1: I've over time become pretty convinced that something really occurred there. 213 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 1: Um that these and it comes through small details, small 214 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 1: details that even as some of the adults remember that 215 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 1: they don't even know about the archival that I have, 216 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 1: but they'll mention something, you know, as a as adults 217 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: now that they don't even know about that I have 218 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 1: in the archival from some other child who mentions that detail. 219 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: It's it's just it's that kind of thing where there's 220 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 1: a there's a lot of uh, corroborating evidence. I guess 221 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: you could say that's what that's that speaks to the validity, 222 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: that's that this occurred, and it's not. It wasn't like 223 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 1: a normal event, you know, it wasn't like a typical 224 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 1: UFO thing that they could have read out of a book. 225 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 1: It was very very different than the standard you know, 226 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 1: or I don't know if there's a standard encounter, but 227 00:16:56,760 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 1: you know what, what others have run into was very 228 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:07,719 Speaker 1: unique UM encounter with whatever this UH intelligence is. And 229 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:10,680 Speaker 1: this is a tremendous point that you have hit upon, 230 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: and it's one of the first questions that a lot 231 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:16,679 Speaker 1: of people who consider themselves more on the skeptical end 232 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 1: of the spectrum will have. The idea of children reporting 233 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:30,199 Speaker 1: stories leads into the concept of kids without meaning to 234 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 1: be misleading, manufacturing memories, or getting details wrong, and so 235 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 1: it's tremendously important to emphasize that in this case, the 236 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:44,399 Speaker 1: children's details. I love how you point out that the 237 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: details are one of the things that really UM really 238 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 1: set you on on a path of discovery here, because 239 00:17:55,680 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 1: we can always as human beings, misrem are things or 240 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 1: get things wrong. But if multiple people are having the 241 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 1: same accounts, and if they have come to these accounts 242 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: through their own experiences, you know they are not, as 243 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 1: you said, getting together off camera or something and and 244 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:20,200 Speaker 1: making sure their stories match. If they are all reporting 245 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:25,879 Speaker 1: from their own perspective a similar or identical event, then 246 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 1: it builds a much stronger case. And in an additional 247 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: thing that I know all of us out in the 248 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 1: audience are wondering is something that came about as we 249 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:41,919 Speaker 1: were exploring the communication with the children or should we 250 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 1: say the former children who were involved, because they are 251 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 1: now as you said, they were adults right in their 252 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 1: twenties or thirties, and and now that there's this time 253 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 1: that has passed, I feel like there's there's part of 254 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 1: the story we also need to explore here, which is 255 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 1: your part? Randall? How did how did you become involved 256 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:08,880 Speaker 1: in this UH investigation? How did you become the documentarian 257 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: who is exploring this event and bringing it to the world. Well, 258 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:19,919 Speaker 1: I started UM actually September eleven. That was down in 259 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 1: New York City, two blocks away from the World Trade 260 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 1: Center when when the building came building to came down, 261 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 1: and that was kind of my inspiration to UM get 262 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 1: into film and tell stories, you know, share real stories, 263 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:41,120 Speaker 1: because that was a very real event for me and 264 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:46,479 Speaker 1: and like everybody, struck everybody in a way that probably 265 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 1: made most people to make changes in their lives. UM 266 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 1: and I started making short films and one was on 267 00:19:55,320 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 1: the the value of silence and listening in in the world, community, 268 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 1: personal relationships, therapy, therapeutic relationships. UM and I had showed 269 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 1: it to a friend of Dr John Max, and she 270 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:16,919 Speaker 1: had asked me if I was interested in making a 271 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 1: film about this Zimbabwe case, UM, and I I said sure, 272 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:27,440 Speaker 1: And I was very fascinated with just seeing the children 273 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:30,680 Speaker 1: being interviewed. I'm like, my first impression, I think everybody 274 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:35,119 Speaker 1: sees that is that they're telling the truth, what what 275 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:37,160 Speaker 1: they saw or whatever. I didn't know at the time, 276 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 1: like exactly what that truth was, but they were telling 277 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 1: the truth. They felt honest and truthful, and you know, 278 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 1: it was originally supposed to make a thirty minute DVD 279 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:55,880 Speaker 1: for the John mac Institute. And I just I felt like, uh, 280 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 1: that John Max material was very good, but I felt 281 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 1: like there was there had to be more to the story. 282 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:06,880 Speaker 1: I wanted to know more. I wanted to know more 283 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:10,440 Speaker 1: about well, were there other sources that I can compare 284 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:14,639 Speaker 1: his interviews to, you know, to see where he was 285 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 1: coming from, where the kids were the story was consistent. 286 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 1: So I found the school back in two thousand and eight, 287 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 1: and uh, as soon as I found it, and that 288 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 1: came to a reporter in South Africa, I um immediately 289 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 1: went there and discovered a whole bunch of different things 290 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:37,879 Speaker 1: that that the BBC was there, and then there was 291 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 1: a big hunt to find that reporter and to um 292 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:48,640 Speaker 1: get his archival footage and uh of of and and 293 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 1: I continued to do this for years, to um find 294 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:56,160 Speaker 1: all the archival because that that, to me was important. 295 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:59,360 Speaker 1: If I could compare Dr Max footage with with all 296 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 1: the other people that had interviewed these children, that would 297 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:06,399 Speaker 1: convince myself, you know, more so and be more of 298 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:12,159 Speaker 1: a convincing story if the consistency was there, which it was, 299 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 1: And so that's um that's kind of led me to 300 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 1: thinking of it like this is such an important story, 301 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 1: not only um about the fact that this happens alone, 302 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:32,680 Speaker 1: that that some school in rural Africa had this full encounter, 303 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 1: but the story of this Harvard psychiatrist going over there 304 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:42,959 Speaker 1: and then the the repercussions he got for for dealing 305 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 1: with the phenomena at all. So that it's a very 306 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: which you know, at some point I reached, I reached 307 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,679 Speaker 1: the point like this is this is a feature documentary. 308 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:56,440 Speaker 1: There's just you can't tell this in a short form 309 00:22:56,560 --> 00:23:01,119 Speaker 1: or in a small way. This is a really big story. 310 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 1: And um, you know, I would say, and other people 311 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,399 Speaker 1: have said it before I know is just you know, 312 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 1: these incidents happening all over the globe. Every single country 313 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 1: has reports, and uh, it's just one of those reports, 314 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:22,159 Speaker 1: is true. It changes everything. And there's been tens and 315 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 1: thousands of reports going back, you know, to the sixties, 316 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 1: even before that, fifties and sixties. UM. So I think 317 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,399 Speaker 1: that's part of the drive that I've had. It's like, well, this, 318 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:39,360 Speaker 1: this is a very important story as a whole, uh, 319 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:41,919 Speaker 1: for us, you know, as a as a species on 320 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:48,400 Speaker 1: this planet. To understand that, or to to start looking at, well, 321 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:54,879 Speaker 1: maybe there's something to all this stuff, you know that 322 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 1: that and if and if there is, we really should 323 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 1: be paying attention to that because that means that there's 324 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:05,359 Speaker 1: a higher order species, something with a higher level of 325 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 1: technology than us, that is interacting with us. And then 326 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 1: the real concern for me is, well, that means that 327 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 1: something else could potentially decide our fate. That concerns me, 328 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,200 Speaker 1: you know, And that's why I feel like we should 329 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 1: know as much as possible. UM. And I hope this 330 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 1: subject begin begins to be taken seriously, um, because it's important. 331 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:37,679 Speaker 1: It's not just important. It's not the wow wow ufo, 332 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 1: who you know, aliens who can. I don't even care 333 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 1: about that. I care about the fact that there is 334 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 1: an intelligent species that's more involved than us potentially, Uh, 335 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 1: that that could have a huge effect on our direction 336 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 1: as a as are as us as human beings. And 337 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 1: we're going to pause here just for a moment. We'll 338 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 1: be back after a word from our response. What it 339 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:10,359 Speaker 1: brought to my mind is a clip from one of 340 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,479 Speaker 1: the little girls who was being interviewed, I believe by 341 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:17,679 Speaker 1: John mac and she said something to the effect of 342 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:22,160 Speaker 1: the being communicated a message to her. And I think 343 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 1: it was John that was trying to get her to 344 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:28,439 Speaker 1: talk more about how the being communicated to her, and 345 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 1: she ended up saying something that there was a message, 346 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 1: a very specific message. Do you remember what that was? Yeah? Yes. 347 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 1: Several of the children UM reported when they were in 348 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 1: close contact with this one being or there was another 349 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:49,119 Speaker 1: one that reported to UM. But during that there was 350 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 1: an intense connection between the kids at the playground and 351 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:59,680 Speaker 1: the being that approached them. And during that moment, and 352 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 1: all the kids say it was like times just stopped. 353 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:08,119 Speaker 1: But several of the kids got this uh sort of 354 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,199 Speaker 1: I don't know how it was. They didn't know how 355 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 1: to explain how it was communicated. But you know, in 356 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:18,679 Speaker 1: in you and I would know that as telepathy, you know, 357 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 1: something that was transferred mind to mind. And the message 358 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:28,360 Speaker 1: was about our own environment. And several not not not 359 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 1: the majority of the witnesses, but several of them, um, 360 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 1: at least a half a dozen, maybe more, because a 361 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:39,119 Speaker 1: lot of them in the present day and are are 362 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 1: not they feel a little uh nervous to share that, um. 363 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 1: But the message was about what we're what we were 364 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 1: doing to our planet, or what what what our direction 365 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 1: was with our own environment. UM. I don't know. I've 366 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,120 Speaker 1: wonder about, wonder about that little bit. I wonder, well, 367 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 1: if somebody sees something traumatic, you tend to think about, 368 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 1: you know, particularly something from out of this world, that 369 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,920 Speaker 1: may be a response to to a try. I mean, 370 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 1: you may think about your own place more. I'm just 371 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:21,200 Speaker 1: thinking of alternative reasons why that would come out, or 372 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,720 Speaker 1: it really happened, you know, or it was really communicated 373 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 1: to these kids. And then the question is why. In 374 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 1: the footage Randallly, he's you know, I think it's Dr 375 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 1: Mac and he's saying, you know, repeatedly saying, well, did 376 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 1: you think about this before is this a thought you've 377 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:38,120 Speaker 1: had before? Why? Why did you think about this? And 378 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,399 Speaker 1: he he would allow for more questions in between, then 379 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,160 Speaker 1: he would ask her again, is this something you were 380 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,920 Speaker 1: thinking about or that you know you've been taught or told? 381 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 1: And just repeatedly she'd like, no, No, I didn't think 382 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 1: about until I got home and afterwards. Yeah, And uh, 383 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 1: one thing I'd like to go back to is we're 384 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:59,199 Speaker 1: talking about the kids accounts. Is something that I know 385 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 1: has piqued the interest of a lot of our listeners here, 386 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 1: and that is that the event as described by again 387 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 1: these more than sixties school children, has aspects that do 388 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:19,479 Speaker 1: not match the you know, the stereotypical UFO encounter story 389 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,400 Speaker 1: that we have heard. Right, you said there were some 390 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 1: unique things that occurred and that the kids pretty much 391 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 1: universally agreed on some of these things. Um, we've also 392 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 1: heard some reports that there were some small differences in 393 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 1: children's accounts. But but what what set this apart in 394 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 1: your mind? From uh, the typical again I hesitate to 395 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 1: use the phrase typical, but the the super familiar, stereotypical 396 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 1: UFO encounter story, like what really stood out? I think 397 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 1: what really stood out? Well? Number one was the fact 398 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 1: that they showed up at a playground at a at 399 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 1: a emary school. It's one big one and sort of 400 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 1: from all the reports were it seemed to be to 401 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 1: have approached the playground and observed the children. There was 402 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 1: no action taken, There was no you know, um, nobody 403 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 1: was taken or anything there there. You know, it was 404 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 1: it was almost like an observation. UM. That that that 405 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:29,280 Speaker 1: I find really interesting. The other thing that's unique is 406 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,760 Speaker 1: that they were all wearing black, like a black skin 407 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 1: tight suit, these creatures. And there's only I think three 408 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 1: times in in the history of of this phenomena that 409 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 1: that's been reported, so that was unique. Um. The message 410 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 1: part is nuts. I mean, some of the research I've 411 00:29:54,800 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 1: done with other cases that's not terribly on common that, um, 412 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 1: people that have had encounters with these things get some 413 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 1: kind of message about our own environment in our own 414 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 1: direction as a species. So I think, yeah, I mean, 415 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 1: those are the two big things that stand out for 416 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 1: me are are are how it where it took place, 417 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 1: how it took place, and what they were particularly wearing 418 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 1: made it unique. And and of course the message transmission 419 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:33,360 Speaker 1: and all that. Um. Also, Oh and we we should 420 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 1: point out most importantly, not only was this at a 421 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 1: on a playground, but this was also and this will 422 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 1: seem unusual too many people. This was during the day, 423 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 1: during the school day, I believe was their mid morning 424 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 1: break at ten am or something. Yeah, thank you for 425 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 1: reminding me that. That's what also makes it unique. Very good. 426 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:56,600 Speaker 1: Um it's uh, yeah, it happened at uh the ten 427 00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:02,960 Speaker 1: thirty break in the morning on Friday. And yeah, that 428 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 1: that also is unique. So I want to bring something 429 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 1: up here, and um, it's a it's a point of 430 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 1: contention that I've seen online. I just want to talk 431 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 1: about it. Um. Let's let's let's just go there, okay. Um. 432 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 1: I have heard some people suggest that perhaps this was 433 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 1: an elaborate prank by some of the teachers because of 434 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 1: a few things. Uh, most of the teachers were in 435 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:31,280 Speaker 1: a meeting at the time, or at least uh they 436 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 1: I think they were having a teachers meeting of some sort. 437 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 1: There was one teacher perhaps outside that was manning basically 438 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 1: of snack stand kind of thing. That's correct. And then 439 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:49,080 Speaker 1: it's been positive before that perhaps the teachers were having 440 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,520 Speaker 1: fun with the kids and trying to do something in 441 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 1: that way. And it's been done before, it's been done afterwards, 442 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 1: where teachers have faked and invasion for the kids and 443 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:03,479 Speaker 1: then they reveal it later. Um, really, this is just 444 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 1: in your mind. Is there any possibility that something to 445 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 1: that effect occurred that day? Um, of, well, I've seen 446 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,160 Speaker 1: those reports of teachers so doing this sort of fake 447 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:20,960 Speaker 1: UFO thing. That's that started happening I think into in 448 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:25,760 Speaker 1: the two thousands, eight, two nine sort of. But the 449 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 1: kids were aware of it. I mean, it wasn't something 450 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 1: they you know, let's show the teachers pranked them on. 451 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 1: But I don't find any I mean, I've interviewed, I've 452 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 1: talked to all the teachers, and that they were shocked themselves. 453 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 1: They didn't know how to deal with it. So I 454 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:45,160 Speaker 1: there's no validity to that that. There is none. I 455 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 1: mean I've interviewed all the teachers. I have all the 456 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:53,240 Speaker 1: teachers interviewed in at the time. Uh, there's just no 457 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 1: way I can even see that as a possibility. It's 458 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 1: just not there because it because mainly because the teachers 459 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 1: were shocked. I mean they were they didn't believe the kids. 460 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,560 Speaker 1: They you know, not not all of them, but many 461 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,040 Speaker 1: of the kids. Teachers initially did not believe that the 462 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 1: kids until the kid's parents started showing up and saying, look, 463 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:18,400 Speaker 1: something happened to my kids. What happened, you know? And 464 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:22,480 Speaker 1: then it then it got you know, taken more seriously 465 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 1: by the staff and the headmaster and and they were 466 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 1: they became really convinced that something had occurred. You know, 467 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,560 Speaker 1: It's it's a tough subject. I mean, they were all 468 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 1: of a sudden, they're all the teachers were were put 469 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,040 Speaker 1: in a position of Okay, these children are reporting this, 470 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,760 Speaker 1: but we don't believe this, and you know it goes 471 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:50,200 Speaker 1: to um so I don't. I don't find any validity 472 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:53,040 Speaker 1: to that argument at all. I found nothing there. And 473 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,600 Speaker 1: I've looked at that, I've looked at hoaxes, you know, 474 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 1: and you have to I gotta say, I don't think 475 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 1: enough will do this in the UFO field or the 476 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:07,080 Speaker 1: unidentified Arrow Phenana field. Uh. You know, you gotta look 477 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:11,760 Speaker 1: at everything. You know, you can't take a report as 478 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:13,799 Speaker 1: just the way it is, you know, like I looked 479 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 1: at everything, like what was going on with the teachers, 480 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,880 Speaker 1: what was going on in the country with their military, 481 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,600 Speaker 1: with you know, what was going on in space at 482 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,560 Speaker 1: the time. You gotta and what were, what where was 483 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,120 Speaker 1: the sun rising that day? What was the you know 484 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,520 Speaker 1: at night, what was the where it was venus? I 485 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,719 Speaker 1: mean you all these questions you need to ask to 486 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:40,720 Speaker 1: do a thorough to get a thorough take on something too, um. 487 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:42,759 Speaker 1: And I think it's really important. I don't think enough 488 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 1: people do that. Um. And the other thing, you know, 489 00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:53,040 Speaker 1: like with the teachers, this these children coming to the teachers. 490 00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,840 Speaker 1: The teachers had a certain worldview and this is a 491 00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,200 Speaker 1: lot of things John Mac talks about and other is 492 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:04,880 Speaker 1: like that. And this is what really this whole phenomena 493 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:10,759 Speaker 1: is about really, um. Is that you know is our 494 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:17,480 Speaker 1: world view? You know that these things aren't supposed to exist. Um, 495 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,480 Speaker 1: So we just they're not they they're not real, They're 496 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:24,440 Speaker 1: not they don't exist. So the most of the teachers 497 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,160 Speaker 1: were in that world views and they were approached by 498 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:31,879 Speaker 1: the children and being challenged in a in a big 499 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:38,319 Speaker 1: way from them by saying, no, this is what we saw. Um. 500 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:42,160 Speaker 1: But the world view, like for all of us is 501 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,839 Speaker 1: you know, we most of us have this world view 502 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:49,880 Speaker 1: that that you know, there's nothing more than intelligent than us. 503 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,600 Speaker 1: And we like to keep that worldview because it makes 504 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:56,840 Speaker 1: us feel good, makes us continue to want to do things. 505 00:35:55,480 --> 00:36:00,960 Speaker 1: Uh uh, But there's different world is Like in Africa, 506 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:06,759 Speaker 1: people in the native populations, um, that's that's not they 507 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:10,840 Speaker 1: don't have the same worldview. They are open to um 508 00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:18,439 Speaker 1: understanding that yeah, we're we'rethy you know, dominant species here 509 00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:22,560 Speaker 1: um or we think we are. And but there are 510 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,880 Speaker 1: other other species out in this vast ocean that we 511 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,359 Speaker 1: look at at night with stars. So I just think 512 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:34,840 Speaker 1: that the world, our world views is what's being challenged 513 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:39,000 Speaker 1: with this whole phenomena, Like it's something we really don't 514 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:43,759 Speaker 1: want to look at because it challenges our our our 515 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,839 Speaker 1: ego really well, you know you. This just brings up 516 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,960 Speaker 1: so much that I've been reading recently because of this 517 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:53,239 Speaker 1: interview about Dr John iMac, And honestly, I didn't know 518 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,240 Speaker 1: a whole lot about this gentleman um And we've discussed 519 00:36:56,280 --> 00:37:01,040 Speaker 1: before that he has a PhD from Harvard School of 520 00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:06,640 Speaker 1: Medicine and he's a psychologist psychoanalyst. He is also a 521 00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:12,600 Speaker 1: self described parapsychologist and has done some fascinating work in 522 00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:16,439 Speaker 1: that field. And for someone with such accolades and such 523 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:20,160 Speaker 1: an education and and just a brilliant person to immerse 524 00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:23,399 Speaker 1: himself in that field that is so socially I would 525 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:31,120 Speaker 1: say maligned, maybe socially unaccepted, controversial at least yes correct. UM. 526 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:35,960 Speaker 1: For to have someone like this UM look into this 527 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,239 Speaker 1: whole phenomena, this this one event, and then to have 528 00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:43,520 Speaker 1: UM that group seek you out to produce a documentary 529 00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:49,640 Speaker 1: on this subject, it's just it lends such credibility to it. UM. 530 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:51,160 Speaker 1: I don't know. I think that's one of the main 531 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:57,520 Speaker 1: reasons why I personally am so excited about this documentary UM, 532 00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,760 Speaker 1: not just the resources, but because there is this UM, 533 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:04,920 Speaker 1: this man who then kind of became an institution. Can 534 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:08,600 Speaker 1: you tell us a little bit about how you You 535 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:13,840 Speaker 1: mentioned something about repercussions with John iMac for his beliefs 536 00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,399 Speaker 1: and kind of what we've been talking about here. What 537 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,359 Speaker 1: what happened? What were those repercussions? I mean John mac 538 00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:23,400 Speaker 1: was he was brilliant and I think, uh, you know 539 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,360 Speaker 1: you one had one of the Pulitzer Prize uh and 540 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:32,200 Speaker 1: I believe it was nine. Uh. He was brilliant as 541 00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:36,239 Speaker 1: a psychiatrist, psychoanalyst, and I think what happened this is 542 00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:40,400 Speaker 1: my take that he got bored with, you know, the 543 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:47,880 Speaker 1: standard model of looking at a person in a therapeutic environment. UM, 544 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:52,440 Speaker 1: and got very interested in anomalous experiences that people didn't 545 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:58,120 Speaker 1: you know, extraordinary experiences that were difficult to believe. UM. 546 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:04,720 Speaker 1: And I think he was looking at different models of 547 00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:14,240 Speaker 1: of UM psychotherapy to explore the unconscious, the unconscious UM 548 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:19,480 Speaker 1: and UM and then he had dealt with people who 549 00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:25,640 Speaker 1: had near death experiences and UM witnesses to UFOs or aliens, 550 00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:31,120 Speaker 1: and and being such a high level person and he 551 00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:35,640 Speaker 1: started the Cambridge Hospital. He was you know, uh a 552 00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:42,400 Speaker 1: psychiatrist on at the Harvard Medical School, UM, a professor 553 00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:48,080 Speaker 1: and UM. He started to get flak from the university 554 00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:55,200 Speaker 1: for his looking into these these cases and the repercussions. 555 00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,640 Speaker 1: They really went after him. They were threatening to take 556 00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,160 Speaker 1: away his tenure and basically we fire him, which is 557 00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:05,240 Speaker 1: never in the history of Harvard University been done. There's 558 00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:08,640 Speaker 1: never been a person threatened like that in the whole 559 00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:14,000 Speaker 1: entire history of Harvard, and that goes back to the sis. 560 00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:20,600 Speaker 1: So it was really that was very unique. And they uh, 561 00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:24,760 Speaker 1: you know, it was a whole uh not a trial, 562 00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:30,279 Speaker 1: but essentially one behind closed doors. And you know, their 563 00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:35,200 Speaker 1: concern was that he was you know, that these patients 564 00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:39,840 Speaker 1: actually had psychological illnesses, yet they displayed none of them. 565 00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:43,400 Speaker 1: But that was their angle, that the concern for patients, 566 00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:48,160 Speaker 1: and which is understandably I could totally understand their angle. Um, 567 00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:51,280 Speaker 1: But honestly, my take on it now as I felt 568 00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:55,400 Speaker 1: like they were really trying to tarnish his reputation and 569 00:40:55,760 --> 00:41:02,160 Speaker 1: intimidate him. And you know, I he had lot you 570 00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:06,399 Speaker 1: know through this whole Harvard inquisition, which was had many 571 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:10,239 Speaker 1: people involved, including Alan Dersuwitz, and you know it's just 572 00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:16,120 Speaker 1: a cast of of some famous people. And you know 573 00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,280 Speaker 1: that he had lost his circle of friends at Harvard. 574 00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:24,320 Speaker 1: Nobody wanted to be around him, you know, during this time. Um. 575 00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:28,440 Speaker 1: And so I think the Harvard he really achieved a 576 00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:37,000 Speaker 1: goal in sort of just you know, hurting his credibility. Um. 577 00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,319 Speaker 1: So it's quite a hero's journey in a way. I 578 00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,759 Speaker 1: mean it was the man, a man who was had 579 00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:46,680 Speaker 1: a conviction that these people are are telling the truth. 580 00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:51,840 Speaker 1: You know, different people that are reported, including these children 581 00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:55,600 Speaker 1: in Africa, they're telling the truth. And um, what does 582 00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,080 Speaker 1: that mean? Asking the question of what does that mean? 583 00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:01,640 Speaker 1: If this is the truth and this is not thing psychological, 584 00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,320 Speaker 1: what does that mean for us as a as a species. 585 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:06,800 Speaker 1: And we're gonna take a quick break. We're just gonna pause. 586 00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:17,920 Speaker 1: We'll be right back. Regardless of how someone encounters this 587 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:24,640 Speaker 1: story or what what they personally believe, right, the the 588 00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:30,240 Speaker 1: crux of the issue is the following. There are things 589 00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:35,239 Speaker 1: that have yet to be explained about this event, which 590 00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,040 Speaker 1: was not that long ago. I mean, maybe we're dating 591 00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:41,799 Speaker 1: ourselves a little bit here, but is that you know, 592 00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:45,520 Speaker 1: it's it's the past, but it's relatively recent and there's 593 00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:49,720 Speaker 1: still things that that we can find out through rigorous investigation, 594 00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:53,839 Speaker 1: through on the ground interviews, through the work that you 595 00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:58,200 Speaker 1: are doing. But all of it leads us to again 596 00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:03,120 Speaker 1: the question you just pause, did, which is what does 597 00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:07,400 Speaker 1: this mean? What does this mean for the future? What 598 00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:13,279 Speaker 1: what will humanity overall discover from this event? And you know, 599 00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:17,240 Speaker 1: we haven't even we haven't touched on the the other 600 00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:20,880 Speaker 1: events across the world that you have mentioned, um, that 601 00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:25,320 Speaker 1: you alluded to that have some of the same threads 602 00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:29,000 Speaker 1: running through them. Right, So this is a question that 603 00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:33,200 Speaker 1: we at least I don't know if you've got something 604 00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,319 Speaker 1: up your sleeve, met, but this is a question that 605 00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,359 Speaker 1: we don't have the answer to yet, at least at 606 00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:41,200 Speaker 1: least us there's some stuff in here, but I don't 607 00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:44,759 Speaker 1: think it's answers to that question though. Ah well, what 608 00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:49,440 Speaker 1: we would like to do is, um, I guess our 609 00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:52,000 Speaker 1: our next question for the show here then, is to 610 00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:56,240 Speaker 1: ask if you could tell us a little more about 611 00:43:56,320 --> 00:44:00,200 Speaker 1: the state of the documentary as it stands now, what 612 00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:04,000 Speaker 1: our listeners can do to help UH, and where they 613 00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:07,359 Speaker 1: can learn more about the piece. Sure, can I say 614 00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:14,000 Speaker 1: one thing first? Absolutely? Yes. So during this UH filming 615 00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:17,480 Speaker 1: and interviewing, I mean, I've traveled to Africa three times 616 00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:21,000 Speaker 1: and all over Europe finding all these witnesses in the 617 00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:26,000 Speaker 1: United States, Canada. Um, you know, I've been approached by 618 00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:30,279 Speaker 1: several people, you know, dozens and dozens of people that 619 00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:32,839 Speaker 1: have heard I'm doing a movie about UFOs and they 620 00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:37,239 Speaker 1: come and they share their experience with me, and you 621 00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:40,480 Speaker 1: know not and and these are people. This is what 622 00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:43,120 Speaker 1: always strikes me. There are people that have I mean, 623 00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,160 Speaker 1: they come to me and they say, don't tell anybody, 624 00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,680 Speaker 1: because I haven't told anybody, or they've only told their 625 00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:53,600 Speaker 1: immediate family, and they share these stories that nobody knows about. 626 00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:57,760 Speaker 1: They're just they keep it to themselves. They're afraid of ridicule, 627 00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:02,960 Speaker 1: They're afraid of you know, UH, they're afraid of a 628 00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:07,000 Speaker 1: lot of things to uh, to be to to for 629 00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:10,000 Speaker 1: somehow to go public, fraid of losing their friends, all 630 00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:15,000 Speaker 1: kinds of fears. Um. Yet their stories are you know, 631 00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:22,680 Speaker 1: they sounded and their feelings expressed. Something really happened. UM. 632 00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:25,399 Speaker 1: I just find that heartbreaking in a way that we 633 00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:30,000 Speaker 1: there's this whole culture out there that is not being heard, 634 00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:32,879 Speaker 1: that you don't see at UFO conferences, that you don't 635 00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:37,440 Speaker 1: see anywhere. They've just had these experiences and they're keeping 636 00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:41,160 Speaker 1: it to themselves and that and if if it's just 637 00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:44,520 Speaker 1: considering the number that I've run into and just doing 638 00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:46,840 Speaker 1: the math of how many people there has to be 639 00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:51,440 Speaker 1: like that, uh is just it's a lot of It's 640 00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:55,000 Speaker 1: a lot of people that uh could be helping us 641 00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:59,400 Speaker 1: solve this mystery. UM. And there just doesn't seem to 642 00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:03,640 Speaker 1: be enough of a drive from us or our media 643 00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:07,960 Speaker 1: or our culture to really want to find out what's 644 00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:11,279 Speaker 1: going on here. Because I think it's pretty important that 645 00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:13,919 Speaker 1: we that we do try to understand it and try 646 00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:18,399 Speaker 1: to um uh find out more. Because as far as 647 00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:21,759 Speaker 1: I want to personally, I want to know what's going on. 648 00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:25,200 Speaker 1: I want to know what situations humanities in, Like, I 649 00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:28,600 Speaker 1: want to know that if there's something out there, I 650 00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:30,680 Speaker 1: really want to know about it. I want to know 651 00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:33,279 Speaker 1: how it can impact me. I want to know what 652 00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:36,040 Speaker 1: I should be afraid of or need to be afraid of. 653 00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:40,120 Speaker 1: I don't know, I just I or not um, but 654 00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:43,520 Speaker 1: I would like as much information as possible. I I 655 00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:47,480 Speaker 1: know about all the wildlife that lived in the forest 656 00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:51,680 Speaker 1: that I'm in, and I'm very curious, you know, to 657 00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:55,120 Speaker 1: find out a lot about them. If there's something else 658 00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:58,040 Speaker 1: out there, it's it's another form of wildlife. It just 659 00:46:58,080 --> 00:46:59,920 Speaker 1: happens to be smarter than us. I want to know 660 00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:03,160 Speaker 1: as much as possible, particularly because it's smarter than me. 661 00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:07,719 Speaker 1: So I don't know, I just it just strikes me that, 662 00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:11,000 Speaker 1: you know, I'll be glad when the day comes, and 663 00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:14,360 Speaker 1: it will come when universities have programs that are really 664 00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:18,080 Speaker 1: doing intense research about this, you know, and eliminating the 665 00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:22,640 Speaker 1: Charlatans and whatever the b s stories that are out 666 00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,520 Speaker 1: there and getting to the real stories and piecing this 667 00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:31,280 Speaker 1: puzzled together because we need to know agreed, Okay, Ranald, 668 00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:33,919 Speaker 1: So tell us tell us how we can learn more 669 00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:38,239 Speaker 1: about the aerial phenomenon documentary. Where can we learn about it? 670 00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:41,279 Speaker 1: Where can we watch a trailer for it? When do 671 00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:43,720 Speaker 1: you think it's coming out? Just tell us everything. Okay, 672 00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,359 Speaker 1: So the film we're at a rough cut right now, 673 00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:50,279 Speaker 1: working toward a final. Uh. It's it's fantastic and mean, 674 00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:52,680 Speaker 1: I can't say enough, and it's my I wouldn't usually 675 00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:56,520 Speaker 1: do that. Uh, I'm just really excited because it's it 676 00:47:56,640 --> 00:48:00,560 Speaker 1: took it's taken a long time, but I've done it right. 677 00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:03,239 Speaker 1: I've gotten some of the best people to work on 678 00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:06,120 Speaker 1: and I've got an editor that worked with Michael Moore 679 00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:10,919 Speaker 1: did Fahrenheit, and Leven did Sicko and has done other 680 00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:15,160 Speaker 1: brilliant films. So I've gotten really great people to work 681 00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:18,800 Speaker 1: on it. And um, we're working toward a final. Um. 682 00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:23,000 Speaker 1: You can check it out at aerial phenomenon dot com. 683 00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:27,440 Speaker 1: We have a trailer there, and we have a trailer 684 00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:32,359 Speaker 1: where Dan Ackroyd um plugs the film and he's very 685 00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:35,840 Speaker 1: aware of this case and he was just wonderful supporting 686 00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,680 Speaker 1: the just trying to get this the word about this 687 00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:42,400 Speaker 1: film out there. But you can see quite quite a 688 00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,920 Speaker 1: bit of information on the site. We're still taking donations 689 00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,839 Speaker 1: because it's been you know, it's been a project from 690 00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:53,359 Speaker 1: the heart kind of thing, and we um, it's been 691 00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:55,560 Speaker 1: up and down. You know. We get funding and then 692 00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:58,439 Speaker 1: the funding stops, and then I go back to work 693 00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:03,160 Speaker 1: to pay for more filmmaking, more editing. It's uh, it's 694 00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:06,080 Speaker 1: been hard to uh, you know, when you don't have 695 00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:08,520 Speaker 1: the funding right there and you have to play all 696 00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:11,880 Speaker 1: these roles to uh to keep it moving. And sometimes 697 00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:16,439 Speaker 1: it's the production stops and then get we move ahead again, 698 00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:18,960 Speaker 1: and then it stops again. Because anyway, it's been a 699 00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:22,560 Speaker 1: challenge for sure. But so yeah, we're we're looking at 700 00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:28,239 Speaker 1: um for being at a final within three months. So 701 00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:32,200 Speaker 1: it's coming. It's coming soon. And I think the reaction 702 00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:35,560 Speaker 1: because the other thing, this is not really a film 703 00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:39,960 Speaker 1: about UFOs in in a sense. I mean, it is 704 00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:44,239 Speaker 1: a film about this incident, but it's it's a lot 705 00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:49,840 Speaker 1: also about what happens to people, you know, what people 706 00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:53,800 Speaker 1: go through when they have reported something like this and 707 00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:58,080 Speaker 1: and um, how it sticks with them. And that's it's 708 00:49:58,120 --> 00:49:59,880 Speaker 1: kind of a lot of different things. But it's not 709 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:04,160 Speaker 1: a traditional by any sense UFO film at all. It's 710 00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:10,080 Speaker 1: a it's very mainstream as far as a story and 711 00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:12,880 Speaker 1: there's really a lot about the people, you know, not 712 00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,480 Speaker 1: so much about the aliens or the woo woo stuff 713 00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:18,600 Speaker 1: about UFOs. And I kind of think that's where the 714 00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:22,640 Speaker 1: conversation needs to go, is in us getting out out 715 00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:26,680 Speaker 1: sort of out of the woo woo flash like aliens, 716 00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:31,120 Speaker 1: aliens alien stage two. Okay, well, you know what are 717 00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:34,120 Speaker 1: we looking at? Here? Is it? What is it? You know, 718 00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:37,920 Speaker 1: if as alien or some other creature from another planet, 719 00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:42,200 Speaker 1: it's another animal basically, you know what I mean. Um, 720 00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:47,360 Speaker 1: So I think it would be I really would like 721 00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:52,040 Speaker 1: to work toward, um changing the conversation to uh so 722 00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:54,040 Speaker 1: we can get to it, so we can really get 723 00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:59,279 Speaker 1: to the heart of heart of this matter issue and 724 00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:03,200 Speaker 1: learn from it, find out what it is. And um, 725 00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:06,000 Speaker 1: you know, the recent things that have happened that came 726 00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:09,640 Speaker 1: out in the New York Times, uh with the military 727 00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:12,880 Speaker 1: was absolutely fascinating. I don't know if you guys aware 728 00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:15,280 Speaker 1: of that. Yeah, we just did a couple of interviews 729 00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:22,360 Speaker 1: about that. Yeah, the Pentagon Advanced Aviation Threat Identification Program, 730 00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:27,400 Speaker 1: I believe Laslando. Yeah, that was a that was a 731 00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:33,279 Speaker 1: massive surprise too. I think everybody who even who even 732 00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:36,840 Speaker 1: casually follows this sort of news. What an about face. 733 00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:39,719 Speaker 1: You know, it's a dude named Jeremy Corbelle that we 734 00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:43,759 Speaker 1: talked to recently about that. Oh I just met him. Yeah. Fascinating, great, 735 00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:48,560 Speaker 1: fascinating guy. Um. Okay, look, Randall, I, like many people 736 00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:52,719 Speaker 1: listening right now, am very excited to watch the Aeral phenomena. 737 00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:55,040 Speaker 1: I know Ben is too. In his eyes. We'll go 738 00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:59,640 Speaker 1: ahead and also post the trailer that you can find 739 00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:01,960 Speaker 1: when you're done with this podcast. You can check it 740 00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:04,799 Speaker 1: out on our Instagram or Facebook and our Twitter. We'll 741 00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:06,640 Speaker 1: put that out there now. By the way, we are 742 00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:09,959 Speaker 1: conspiracy stuff at Twitter and Facebook and conspiracy stuff show 743 00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:12,399 Speaker 1: on Instagram. If you're out there and you want to, 744 00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:16,319 Speaker 1: you know, discuss this project further. Um, and again, go 745 00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:22,040 Speaker 1: to Aerial that's a r I E. L phenomenon dot com. Yeah, 746 00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:26,400 Speaker 1: and there you can find more information about the documentary. 747 00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:30,160 Speaker 1: You can watch the trailer, you can see some of 748 00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:35,239 Speaker 1: the news. You can also uh contact the project directly 749 00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,799 Speaker 1: with questions. And you know, one thing that one thing 750 00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:45,560 Speaker 1: that I think everyone listening should absolutely take away from 751 00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:49,040 Speaker 1: this episode is a point that you brought up, Randal, 752 00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:52,160 Speaker 1: that there are so many people that you have met 753 00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:57,760 Speaker 1: who feel that they have experienced something that would uh 754 00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:01,719 Speaker 1: that that they are un able to communicate with the 755 00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:07,320 Speaker 1: world because of fear of um social repercussions right or 756 00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:12,279 Speaker 1: social stigma. With that, and the most important one of 757 00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:14,879 Speaker 1: the most important things to remember here is that if 758 00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:18,440 Speaker 1: you were listening and you feel that some sort of 759 00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:20,480 Speaker 1: event has happened to you, if you feel that you 760 00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:24,000 Speaker 1: do not have a voice regarding this or that you 761 00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:26,799 Speaker 1: do not have the ability to share it, the good 762 00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:32,160 Speaker 1: news is well, the good news is that you are 763 00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:36,160 Speaker 1: you know that you are not existing in isolation. There 764 00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:40,640 Speaker 1: are hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of people around 765 00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:44,840 Speaker 1: the globe who have experienced something that they feel they 766 00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:47,960 Speaker 1: may not be able to explain, and it is very 767 00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:53,879 Speaker 1: important to remember that no person exists in isolation. And 768 00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:58,879 Speaker 1: depending on depending on what people may ultimately find out 769 00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:02,560 Speaker 1: about the aerial phenomenon and other sightings of this kind, 770 00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:06,520 Speaker 1: perhaps our species also is not an island and does 771 00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:11,840 Speaker 1: not exist in isolation. I'm waxing a little poetic. I apologize. 772 00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,640 Speaker 1: I'm glad you said that, though. I think that's that's 773 00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:19,040 Speaker 1: really important that people don't feel alone, you know, because 774 00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:21,920 Speaker 1: it's what the people I've met. It's it's it's hard. 775 00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:25,839 Speaker 1: That's what makes it hard, you know, they it just 776 00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:30,799 Speaker 1: sits in themselves alone, and it's it's yeah, all kinds 777 00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:34,400 Speaker 1: of things can happen from that place. Yeah. Yeah. So 778 00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:37,080 Speaker 1: thank you so much Randolph for joining us today for 779 00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:38,839 Speaker 1: this and thank you for all the work you're doing 780 00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:42,120 Speaker 1: on you know, this project. We're again, we're very excited 781 00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:43,600 Speaker 1: to see it and we can't wait to see how 782 00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:45,440 Speaker 1: it turns out. And you know, if you want to 783 00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:48,760 Speaker 1: descend us, maybe a screener or something. I'm saying Ben, 784 00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:51,400 Speaker 1: Ben and I are here and you know you're doing 785 00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:56,799 Speaker 1: well in all in all seriousness, yes, thank you so 786 00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:59,279 Speaker 1: much for your time, both on our behalf and on 787 00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:03,719 Speaker 1: behalf of our fellow listeners out there in the audience. 788 00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:07,000 Speaker 1: And if you are listening and thinking I have a 789 00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:09,960 Speaker 1: story to communicate, I would like to tell somebody I 790 00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:13,920 Speaker 1: know something that I haven't shared with the world yet. You, 791 00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:16,759 Speaker 1: of course, can reach out to us. We would love 792 00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:19,640 Speaker 1: to hear from you. You are the most important part 793 00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:24,120 Speaker 1: of this show. Go ahead and send us an admissive 794 00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:28,520 Speaker 1: communicate on your social media platform of choice, or if 795 00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:31,560 Speaker 1: none of that is your steam, you can call us. 796 00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:36,440 Speaker 1: That's right, three three st d w y t K. 797 00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:40,680 Speaker 1: And if there's one other method of communication you prefer 798 00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:44,319 Speaker 1: above all others, if that is email, you are in luck. 799 00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:48,120 Speaker 1: You can contact us directly. We are conspiracy at how 800 00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:49,520 Speaker 1: stuff works dot com