1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants. Hulet's go, Let's go, 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: Let's go Giants. Dont come get out my giants. Blo, 3 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 1: gim me some join part of the Giants podcast Network. 4 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 2: Let's roll. 5 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:12,719 Speaker 3: Welcome to another episode of the Giants Little Podcast, brought 6 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 3: to you by Citizens, the official bank. 7 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: Of the Giant. 8 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 3: Once a Giant, always a Giant. Happy to welcome to 9 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 3: the program. 10 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:19,240 Speaker 1: Kurt Warner. 11 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:21,239 Speaker 3: We had him on our radio pregame show last year. 12 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 3: We've had him here during training camp, We've had him 13 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 3: on our show, and now we get them on Zoomier 14 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 3: in preparation for the NFL Draft. Kurt, thanks so much 15 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 3: for being with us, and hell the folks, what're up to? 16 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 2: Hey, It's good to be with you as always, always 17 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:35,839 Speaker 2: exciting times as we're getting ready for the draft, to 18 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 2: kind of prepare for next season and what's it going 19 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 2: to look like? You know, it is my off season, 20 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 2: That's the beautiful thing. So I get some time to 21 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:45,199 Speaker 2: spend with the family and travel a little bit. But 22 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 2: you know what I continue to do at all times 23 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:50,520 Speaker 2: is h I've got a QB confidential platform, whether that's 24 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 2: my YouTube stuff where I'm breaking down these quarterbacks for 25 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 2: the draft. I've also got a website, Qbconfidential dot com, 26 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 2: in which it's a kind of a teaching and coaching 27 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 2: website about the cock position, about offensive football. So those 28 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:05,400 Speaker 2: are the things when I'm not covering the league and 29 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 2: watching tape every single day, I'm building my platform and 30 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:12,199 Speaker 2: trying to help those that are out there to better 31 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:15,279 Speaker 2: understand the position or if you're a player, a coach, 32 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 2: to grow in the position. So it's kind of my 33 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:19,960 Speaker 2: way to give back, knowing that I probably will never 34 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 2: get into full time coaching, so this is my way 35 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:22,479 Speaker 2: to do it. 36 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think just your tweets you put out 37 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 3: there too are very informative courpase, I think they're very 38 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:29,680 Speaker 3: honest too, to be to be frank, and I think 39 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 3: it's great for people like me who are in the 40 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 3: building and cover the game but never play, to like 41 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 3: you to kind of get a feel for what it's 42 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 3: like to evaluate the quarterback position as a quarterback. 43 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 2: Urt. 44 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 3: Of course, you can find in an NFL network. NFL 45 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 3: Network cover the draft, make sure you tune into that. 46 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:46,039 Speaker 3: Go to NFL Plus watch as little three to four 47 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 3: minuti breakdowns on a lot of the top quarterbacks. I 48 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 3: did that this morning to prepare for this court. Really 49 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 3: nice job on those. Let's start the basics. When you 50 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 3: sit down and you're ready to start evaluating college quarterbacks, 51 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 3: what for you of the most important things you want 52 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 3: to see from a quarterback that will predict success at 53 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 3: the NFL level. 54 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 2: Well, let me first say it's it's a really hard 55 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:11,119 Speaker 2: evaluation because what you're really trying to find is things 56 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 2: that are translatable, right, things that they're doing in college 57 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 2: that they're going to have to do in the NFL. 58 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 2: And you want to try to find as many of 59 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 2: those as you can. You know, what's so hard is 60 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 2: that these college offenses are so different. You know, I 61 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 2: still can't figure out why we haven't made the hashes 62 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 2: universal at every level, and so the game is the 63 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 2: same at every level, whether it's high school, college or 64 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:36,079 Speaker 2: pro like, because that you know, that changes the game, 65 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:38,679 Speaker 2: you know, when you've got these really wide ashes, the 66 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:42,800 Speaker 2: amount of space that it creates, you know, making making 67 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 2: the game easier offensively for quarterbacks, you know, find in 68 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:48,799 Speaker 2: more space. And so I don't know why we don't 69 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 2: make it universal, which would help make it more translatable 70 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 2: at the next level. But That's what I'm trying to do, 71 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 2: is I'm trying to figure out what can translate, and 72 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:01,360 Speaker 2: that's across the board, although I will say I'm less 73 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 2: focused on like the athletic traits simply because a I 74 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 2: wasn't athletic, and so it's hard for me to really say, 75 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 2: like a guy that's really athletic in college, it's hard 76 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 2: for me to say, Okay, well that athleticism translate to 77 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 2: the NFL, or are they going to have to play 78 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 2: completely different? So I don't look at that quite as much. 79 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 2: That to me is just kind of a bonus. What 80 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 2: I'm looking for is I'm trying to find moments within 81 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 2: everybody's offense where they're doing things that I think they're 82 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 2: going to do at the NFL level, running plays that 83 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 2: they're going to run similarly to the NFL level, processing information, 84 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 2: making certain throws, and then maybe the most important thing 85 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 2: for me is technique wise. I want to see a 86 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 2: guy what they are from a technique standpoint, and how 87 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 2: that carries them or how they struggle with that at 88 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 2: the college level, because it is a transition. And yes, 89 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 2: those are things you can improve, but those are hard 90 00:03:58,160 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 2: things to improve when you've been doing something for a 91 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 2: long long time, and now all of a sudden you've 92 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 2: got to go and work at the nuances in the 93 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 2: basics of technique and learn how to do that. Again, 94 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 2: that's not something I really want to do at the 95 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 2: NFL level, although you know, Josh Allen, I think is 96 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,280 Speaker 2: a great example of a guy that you have loose 97 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:20,039 Speaker 2: mechanics and has continue to tighten those up, and when 98 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:22,599 Speaker 2: he plays within the mechanics, he's really really special. So 99 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 2: it can be improved. It just takes time and effort 100 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 2: to be able to do that. So those are kind 101 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 2: of the basics of what I'm looking for when I'm 102 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 2: breaking down each of these quarterbacks. 103 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that makes a lot of sense. 104 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 1: And the problems that court. 105 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:36,600 Speaker 3: If it's tough for you, given what college offenses are doing, 106 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:40,119 Speaker 3: it's impossible for me, right because I don't understand these 107 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 3: plays to the same extent that you do. Where you 108 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 3: see the formation, you see what they're trying to do, 109 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 3: you know where the quarterback's supposed to look. That's I'm 110 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 3: being pletely honest. As someone that didn't play the position, 111 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 3: it's hard for me to do that. So I try 112 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:53,719 Speaker 3: to look for certain things that I think, to your point, 113 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 3: are translatable. One thing I look for, and I like 114 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 3: to get your take on this, I want to see 115 00:04:57,520 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 3: a guy be able to work the middle of the field, 116 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 3: and especially in areas that are not wide open, because 117 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 3: I feel like in the NFL that's where you have 118 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:05,840 Speaker 3: to work. You can't just live on the preimeter. You 119 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:07,480 Speaker 3: have to be able to work those crowded areas in 120 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 3: the middle of the field. So I like to see 121 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:12,159 Speaker 3: college quarterbacks be able to do that because I do 122 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 3: think that's maybe instinctual is the wrong word, but I 123 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 3: think that's almost a natural confidence. You have to have 124 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:18,280 Speaker 3: to be able to work that middle of the field 125 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 3: in those highly trafficked areas, which just just to give 126 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:22,599 Speaker 3: an example, I think Drake May does that extremely well 127 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 3: out of this particular class. 128 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 1: So does that make sense. 129 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:28,159 Speaker 3: It's something that you should look for from college quarterbacks 130 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 3: because that's something you have. 131 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 1: To be in the NFL. 132 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think the bottom line is you've got to 133 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 2: be able to read and throw the football at the 134 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 2: NFL level, you know. But at the same time, when 135 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 2: I'm looking at a play, and this is me the 136 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:43,719 Speaker 2: same when I when I break down NFL quarterbacks, I 137 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 2: break him down based on the play that's being called. 138 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 2: You know, I can't sit there and say, well, he 139 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 2: didn't throw over the middle very much. Well, they didn't 140 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 2: call plays that were over the middle. Well, all I 141 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:55,679 Speaker 2: can say is, this is the play that's called. How 142 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 2: did you read and execute this play? Now? Of course, 143 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 2: the middle of the field is always going to be 144 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:04,039 Speaker 2: harder because there's more bodies there, right, There's more things 145 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:07,040 Speaker 2: that you have to negotiate. You have to see things, anticipate, 146 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 2: find the windows. So yeah, I understand your point, and 147 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 2: it makes a lot of sense that if a guy 148 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 2: can work the middle of the field and see bodies 149 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 2: and make reads and have a sense of timing and anticipation, 150 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 2: that's always a positive no matter what level you're playing at. 151 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 2: It's just to me, I'm not going to knock a guy. 152 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 2: You know, so many people just pull out stats, well 153 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 2: look what this guy did, and look what this guy 154 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 2: did here, and look at this, you know, yards per attempt, 155 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 2: And to me, it's like whatever, it's not apples to apples, 156 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:38,360 Speaker 2: Like if every one of these players you know, had 157 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:41,159 Speaker 2: the same play called against the same defense, and now 158 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 2: we could break down and use stats to to dictate 159 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 2: who is the best. Okay, I get it, but you 160 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 2: have to watch the tape and you have to go 161 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 2: did they make the right decision? Did they might make 162 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 2: the right throw? Can they make that throw? Did they 163 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 2: make that throw the right way? Those are the things 164 00:06:56,720 --> 00:07:00,919 Speaker 2: that I'm looking for because it is too hard to 165 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 2: you know, to say that. And some of these offenses, 166 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:06,040 Speaker 2: and I've seen it for years, are more gimmicky offenses. 167 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 2: A lot of screens and a lot of you know 168 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 2: what I call one offs where it's just like a 169 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:13,679 Speaker 2: specially designed play by their coach that gets somebody wide open, 170 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 2: as opposed to true drop back pass game, which is 171 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 2: what's going to happen at the NFL level. You're going 172 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 2: to have to win playing the position at the NFL level. 173 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 2: So I'm trying to pull those things out. You know, 174 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 2: There'll be a number of guys. You know, Jade Daniels 175 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 2: had an unbelievable special season, but he threw the same 176 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 2: play over and over and over and over again, you know, 177 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 2: which is great, but you're not going to be able 178 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 2: to do that at the end of it, Like you're 179 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 2: not going to hit that. Your guy's not just going 180 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 2: to be better than the other guy where I can 181 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 2: throw an inside fade every single time and complete it 182 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 2: like it's not going to happen. Now, yeah, I can 183 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 2: pull some things from that, and the throws that he 184 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 2: makes are great, But you know, I want to see 185 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 2: guys like Bo Nicks is probably a guy that I 186 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 2: thought was asked to do the most in terms of scheme, 187 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 2: number of plays, being able to read the different kinds 188 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 2: of plays, and so you really like that part of it. 189 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 2: Like he handled to me what seemed like a lot 190 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 2: more volume than other guys, and he made a lot 191 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 2: of great decisions and he was very accurate, didn't throw 192 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 2: the ball down the field as much. So now you're 193 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 2: taking this and you're going, Okay, that stuff's really really good. 194 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 2: But we didn't see enough of this, which is going 195 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 2: to have to do at the next level. So now 196 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 2: where do you place these guys? And so that's the 197 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 2: real hard part about it is that they're not all 198 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 2: running NFL type offenses where you can get a true 199 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 2: gauge of each and every one of them doing those things. 200 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 2: You're trying to mix and match and piece together and say, well, 201 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:45,559 Speaker 2: they're really good at this. I don't know how that translates, 202 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 2: or they're really good at that. I don't know how 203 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 2: this translates. And so you know, again you say you 204 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 2: haven't played the position. I've played the position, I watched 205 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:56,199 Speaker 2: the position. I still analyze the position. I coached the position. 206 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 2: And I still have no idea which of these guys 207 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 2: are going to be good at the next level, because 208 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 2: all of them are going to have to get better. 209 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 2: All of them are going to have to improve, or 210 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 2: they're going to have to play just as well. Like 211 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 2: Jade Daniels, he's going to have to play just as 212 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 2: well every year of his NFL career as he did 213 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 2: last year. And it's like, okay, can he do that 214 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 2: against better talent with a you know, with a bigger 215 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 2: playbook with less time back there? And so you know, 216 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 2: it's such an inexact science because a were just simply 217 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 2: taking what they did in college against inferior athletes or 218 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 2: maybe their team was better than the opponent, and every 219 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 2: week and we're trying to project that forward. And then 220 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 2: the second thing is, I don't care how good they 221 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 2: are now. I've seen great, great college quarterbacks that don't 222 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 2: make it in the NFL because they don't get better 223 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 2: they're the same guy in the NFL they were in college, 224 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:49,559 Speaker 2: and they get swallowed up. And so every one of 225 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 2: these guys is going to have to get better also. 226 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 2: So that's a whole nother evaluation, like which one of 227 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 2: the Like we use the word ceiling. I'm sure you've 228 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 2: used the word ceiling a million times the draft. What's 229 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 2: his ceiling? He's got a high seat. I don't know 230 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:05,079 Speaker 2: what a guy's ceiling is. I don't know his ceiling 231 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 2: until he shows me what his ceiling like. Show me 232 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 2: that you can get better. Oh, then I guess you are. 233 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 2: You're not at your ceiling yet. Show me you can 234 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 2: get better. But we throw that out there as if 235 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 2: we know how good somebody can be in all these 236 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 2: different facets and that all day and just scratching the 237 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 2: surface of what their ceiling can be. I have no idea. 238 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 2: All I can go off is what they can do, 239 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 2: what they've shown me they can do, because I don't 240 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:29,839 Speaker 2: know what else they can do until they show me. 241 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 4: That you love turn you're good at it. So you 242 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 4: start a turf viz business, grows, your savings, grow, become 243 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 4: the most celebrated name in turf. Are you ready for 244 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 4: all that life brings. 245 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:46,839 Speaker 3: The John Tuttle is brought to you by Citizens, the 246 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 3: official bank of the Giants from game data. Everyday, Citizens 247 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 3: is made ready for Giant fans with insights, guidance, and solution. 248 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 3: Learn more at citizensbank dot com. I love the context 249 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 3: and that's why I wanted to have you on Kurt Fantastic. 250 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 3: Before we get into the individual players, you talk about 251 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 3: guys need to improve. When you see a young quarterback, 252 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 3: what are some of the areas you think, with the 253 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 3: right coaching, are the easiest to improve? Is it you know, footwork, 254 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 3: is it technique, is it something else? And what areas 255 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 3: do you think are difficult for in a quarterback to 256 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 3: improve in that are maybe a little bit more instinctual 257 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 3: and less teachable. 258 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, another tough question because I think we're 259 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 2: all built differently, and so being built differently, whether that's 260 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 2: mentally or physically, I think that question would be answered 261 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:32,959 Speaker 2: different for different guys. You know. For me, I was 262 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 2: a guy that processed really well. You know, I tell 263 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 2: people all the time. When I went to college, I 264 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 2: remember the one of the early days in practice, I 265 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 2: was asked to draw cover four. When I went to college, 266 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 2: I had an idea of what cover four was. Nobody 267 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 2: had ever taught me any coverages to know what it 268 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 2: looked like, and so that's what I was going off. 269 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 2: But I was a really good processor of information. So 270 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 2: once you taught me, and once you showed me, and 271 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 2: once I was able to learn it, I was able 272 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 2: to do it as well as anybody that I think 273 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 2: has ever played the game. And so I had those skills, 274 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 2: I just had to have somebody go, oh, here's what 275 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 2: cover four is like, this is what you're looking for, 276 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:11,719 Speaker 2: this is how you attack it. And so that's kind 277 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 2: of what would be my question for each of these 278 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,320 Speaker 2: guys is what are they good at? You know? So 279 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 2: if they're good at taking you know, technical teaching and 280 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 2: being able to apply it and are willing to do 281 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:25,679 Speaker 2: those little things, then yeah, I think that's something that 282 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 2: can be coachable. But it takes time when you've been 283 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:31,680 Speaker 2: doing something a certain way, processing if you've never been 284 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 2: taught really how to process or how to read. You know, 285 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 2: one thing that I see a lot in college, and 286 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 2: it's it's made its way into the NFL. Giants do 287 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 2: a lot of it. But the pure progression stuff, where 288 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 2: it's less about reading defenders, and it's more about just 289 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:47,960 Speaker 2: drop back and see if this guy's open. If he's open, 290 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 2: throw it to him. If he's not, go to your 291 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:51,440 Speaker 2: number two and throw it to him. If he's open, 292 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 2: go to your number So it's automatic. They're progressing the 293 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:57,680 Speaker 2: same way no matter what the coverage is. And so 294 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 2: you know, if you've only done progression stuff and I've 295 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 2: never asked you to read defenders, and now you come 296 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 2: into the NFL, and I'm gonna go, Okay, we're not 297 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:08,679 Speaker 2: gonna do this peer progressive stuff. I need you to 298 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 2: read defense, and I need you to read defenders. I 299 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 2: need to see the whole field. Some players probably can 300 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:17,080 Speaker 2: do that and just have never been taught that. Other 301 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 2: players might struggle with that because like, oh my gosh, 302 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 2: like I gotta see all this, I gotta I gotta 303 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 2: recognize all this, and then and then play like I 304 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:26,599 Speaker 2: can't do it. So you know, to your question, I 305 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 2: would have to know each of the players and what 306 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 2: they're capable of, what they're good at, what makes sense 307 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 2: to them. I say this all the time when it 308 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 2: comes to quarterbacks, is that we all see the game differently, 309 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:41,200 Speaker 2: And so you could give a particular play to three 310 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 2: different Hall of Fame quarterbacks, and one would love it, 311 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 2: one would say that it's okay, and one might say 312 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:49,199 Speaker 2: I hate it, And you're like, how is that possible? 313 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 2: It's the same play, and they're all good players because 314 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 2: we all see the game and attack the game different ways, 315 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 2: and so it would work really well for one guy 316 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 2: and it might not work as well for others. And 317 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 2: so so much of that plays into this process is 318 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 2: who is this guy that I'm getting, How does he 319 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 2: fit into what we're doing? Or can I shape my 320 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 2: offense around what I think his skill set is and 321 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:15,200 Speaker 2: what does that mix look like at the end of 322 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:18,319 Speaker 2: the day. And so again, I know I'm very vague 323 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 2: with these answers because I think it is inexact science 324 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 2: across the board is that it's hard for me to 325 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 2: judge these guys just watch him tape. I want to 326 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 2: get in a room with all of them and go 327 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 2: tell me why you get through this. So again I'll 328 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 2: use Jayden Daniels as an example. Let's say they run 329 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 2: this same play over and over again. A hitch route 330 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 2: five yard hitch rout on the outside, the inside fade, 331 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 2: and then a stick route on the inside and so 332 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 2: I'll watch him in the course of the game come 333 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 2: out the cornerback's off on the outside, and he just 334 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 2: comes out boom, takes the hitch, and I'm like, perfect, 335 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 2: That's what I want to do every time that corner's off, 336 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 2: take the hitch. And then four plays later they run 337 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 2: it again, corners off and he doesn't throw the hitch. 338 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 2: And I want to know why, Like, you just did it, 339 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 2: it worked. It to me, is the right read? Why 340 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 2: did you come back four plays later and not do 341 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 2: the same thing that you did earlier in the game. 342 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 2: Take me through your thought process, because I want to 343 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 2: know that because when I watch things like that and 344 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:13,359 Speaker 2: I go, are you successful one time, then not successful, 345 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 2: then successful, then not successful, getting the same look, I'm 346 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 2: starting to wonder are you just getting lucky? Like are 347 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 2: you just coming out and going, oh, maybe I'll throw 348 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 2: the hitch this time and it works because you're not 349 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 2: doing it every single time the same way. And so 350 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 2: those are the things that make it really really hard, 351 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 2: especially on us when all we're doing is watching tape 352 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 2: and we don't get a chance to get into a 353 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 2: room and talk to these guys and decipher things with 354 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 2: these guys. And break it down so I can hear 355 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 2: their reasoning behind you know, what they did on a 356 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 2: particular player, or at least how they're even reading a 357 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 2: particular play every single time. 358 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, and Josh makes the point with quarterbacks, you have 359 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 3: to get them in a room and you have to 360 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 3: do that stuff, and it's essential to do it. I'm 361 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 3: with you, and folks, if you want to know why 362 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 3: there's like a fifty percent hit rate on quarterbacks in 363 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 3: the first round of drafts, I hope you listen to 364 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 3: the last fifteen minutes because that is why it's really 365 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 3: really hard. All Right, You've mentioned a couple guys ready card, 366 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 3: just a couple of rapid fire one question on each 367 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 3: guy based on your analysis, and I'm curious what you're 368 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 3: thinking about these guys. You already kind of talked about 369 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 3: jayde and Daniels, so we can kind of skip him 370 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 3: a little bit. Caleb Williams, you talk about offenses with 371 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 3: designer plays and if one guy's not open, then you 372 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 3: just figure it out. 373 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 1: Well, hello, USC offense, because that's what that was. 374 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 3: Did you see enough of him on tape where you 375 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 3: saw enough of him on time hitting guys in rhythm 376 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 3: or do you think that's something that you need to 377 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 3: see more of. 378 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to see more of it, But I 379 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 2: think over the last two years, we've seen it, you 380 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 2: know a number of times where I feel like there's 381 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 2: the capability is at least there, you know, I've seen. 382 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 2: I saw games this year where games where he seemed 383 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 2: to want to create all the time, and a lot 384 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 2: of it again was because of the system. There weren't 385 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 2: guys open, so he had to create a lot. But 386 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 2: then there were other games where I saw him fight 387 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 2: to stay in the pocket even when his number one 388 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 2: and number two weren't open. He would still work the 389 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 2: pocket and he would stay there and he would work 390 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 2: through progressions, and so oh, when I see stuff like that, 391 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 2: I'm like, Okay, now that's more of what I think 392 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 2: I'm going to need in the NFL, is you to 393 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 2: stay and fight to be a pocket passer and not 394 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:11,919 Speaker 2: look to create every single time. So you saw both 395 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 2: sides of it. But I think when you see his 396 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 2: body of work over the course of you know, basically 397 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:20,440 Speaker 2: three years, you've seen enough of him playing on schedule 398 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:23,160 Speaker 2: and making big time throws, and then you've also seen 399 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:26,359 Speaker 2: the really special plays and the feel that he has 400 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 2: when he gets out and that's what I like more 401 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:32,239 Speaker 2: than anything is the feel when you create, you know, 402 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 2: the feel to see certain throws, to make certain kinds 403 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 2: of throws, you know, when you're out there, not just 404 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 2: being a great athlete, but the feel. And that's why 405 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 2: I think he's liking to Patrick Mahomes a little bit, 406 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:46,199 Speaker 2: because Patrick's got a tremendous feel when he gets out 407 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 2: there and gets creative of where guys are going and 408 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 2: how to make different kinds of throws and how to 409 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 2: buy a little bit extra time to let somebody get open, 410 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 2: and those kinds of things. And Caleb has that kind 411 00:17:58,040 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 2: of feel. So I think when you put it all 412 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 2: the other, because we've seen so much of a body 413 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 2: of work from him, you know, you feel like you've 414 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 2: seen enough of each component to say it's at least 415 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 2: in there. I may need to see a little bit 416 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 2: more of it. I need it, may need you to 417 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 2: live in this world a little bit more at the 418 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 2: NFL level, but I've seen enough of all the things 419 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:22,439 Speaker 2: to say, Okay, I do believe he's capable of it, 420 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:24,919 Speaker 2: you know, or at least he was capable of it 421 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 2: at the college level, which you know, at least makes 422 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 2: me feel comfortable that I'm not taking a guy that 423 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:32,880 Speaker 2: I never saw him process or I never saw him 424 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 2: fight to stay in the pocket, and I'm hoping he 425 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 2: can live in the pocket. No, you know that that's 426 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 2: not what we saw from Caleb Williams. So so I 427 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 2: feel comfortable that, you know, he's got a good array 428 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 2: of things that we've seen on tape to at least say, Okay, 429 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 2: he's done that, he's done that, he's done that, he's 430 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 2: done that. Now we just got to teach him to 431 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 2: get better at all of those things. 432 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 1: Are you okay? On time for three more players? 433 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:55,640 Speaker 2: Quick, Kurt? Yeah, yeah, Yeah, I'm good. Perfect. 434 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:57,680 Speaker 3: All right, let let's go to Rake May You talked 435 00:18:57,720 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 3: about it in your video on him, and I saw 436 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 3: and I tried to do my work. I watched every 437 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 3: drop back this year of Daniels May, McCarthy and who 438 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:09,160 Speaker 3: am I missing, Caleb Williams and Daniel So all four 439 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 3: of the top guys. I watched every drop back and 440 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 3: with Drake May you talk about it, I call it scattershot, right, 441 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:19,119 Speaker 3: Sometimes his passage just and they're gone. You attributed that 442 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:21,879 Speaker 3: in your video on NFL Plus to mechanical things with 443 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:25,119 Speaker 3: his feet, right, Yeah, do you think with enough coaching 444 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 3: that can get cleaned up, in which case you should 445 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:30,879 Speaker 3: take the flashes and kind of like the highs a 446 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 3: little bit more seriously because you think some of that 447 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 3: mechanical stuff can clean up some of the intermittent sloppiness 448 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:39,359 Speaker 3: and scattershot and accuracy and consistency type of stuff. 449 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. I want to say yes, that it can be 450 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 2: cleaned up and it can get better. You know. The 451 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 2: one thing I do know, just kind of talking to 452 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 2: some people that have been around him, is that that's 453 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:54,119 Speaker 2: been a bit of who he's been, you know, since 454 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:57,640 Speaker 2: since he got to college. Is that's part of you know, 455 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 2: his his makeup that no, he's really been able to 456 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 2: break him of up to this point. And so that's 457 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:06,679 Speaker 2: something that concerns me a little bit, Like if this 458 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:09,399 Speaker 2: is something that you know that's been there for a 459 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:12,640 Speaker 2: number of years, I would you know, again, I don't 460 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 2: know how much he's been coached not to do it, 461 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 2: how much they've they've spent time on it, But if 462 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 2: that's part of your mo and it's something that you 463 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 2: struggle with and that leads to a lot of inconsistencies, 464 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:26,400 Speaker 2: I would love to think somebody would get better over 465 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 2: the three years in college to try to improve that 466 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 2: aspect of things, or is it just part of his nature? 467 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 2: And part of what you're going to have to deal 468 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 2: with is that you're going to miss some layups and 469 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 2: you're going to have some inconsistencies because the technique is 470 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 2: going to get away from him and he's going to 471 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:47,159 Speaker 2: be more of kind of a free flowing athletic quarterback. 472 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 2: That concerns me a little bit. And so, you know, 473 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:55,680 Speaker 2: that's the part that you know, And there was a 474 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:57,399 Speaker 2: couple of things. You know that there was just a 475 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:00,399 Speaker 2: lack of technique at times just with his feet in 476 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 2: the right spot. And there was a lot of bouncing. 477 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 2: You know, I'm not a fan of the bouncing. There's 478 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:06,119 Speaker 2: a lot of guys in the NFL to bounce. And 479 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:07,639 Speaker 2: what I mean by that is they get back in 480 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:10,400 Speaker 2: the pocket and they just start bouncing up and down 481 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 2: kind of on their toes or with a tight base, 482 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:14,640 Speaker 2: and then they've got to drop back down and get 483 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:18,360 Speaker 2: into their throwing position and throw it. And so it 484 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 2: it affects timing, and it affects the ability to anticipate 485 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 2: and get the ball out on time as soon as 486 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:27,400 Speaker 2: that window opens up. And so yeah, those are things 487 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:29,239 Speaker 2: that really concern me because I saw a lot of 488 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:30,879 Speaker 2: it this last year and a lot of plays and 489 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 2: I'm like, you just can't miss that like and you 490 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 2: can't miss it that bad, or you got to be 491 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:37,639 Speaker 2: on time, you got to be ready down in the 492 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 2: red zone with your feet, or you're going to be 493 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 2: late and you know you're not going to be able 494 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:45,119 Speaker 2: to play catch up, even though he's extremely talented physically, 495 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 2: and so you know, I just saw so much of 496 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 2: it that it concerned me. You know, there was footwork 497 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 2: issues with a lot of these guys at different times, 498 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 2: and so that's a part of playing the position. Patrick 499 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 2: mahomes how you look at him every week and go, ah, 500 00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 2: that was his footwork. You know, footwork got away from him. 501 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:01,640 Speaker 2: But but you know he makes up for it because 502 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,360 Speaker 2: he's got some special gifts that that he can use 503 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 2: to throw the football. So so that's kind of my 504 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 2: concern with Drake May is that I've just seen it 505 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 2: a lot and I know that it's been there for 506 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 2: a while that you know, as you bring into the NFL, 507 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 2: you say, okay, will he break that habit? Or how 508 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:21,119 Speaker 2: long will it take for him to break that habit 509 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 2: and get more consistent with his throws? Because you know, obviously, 510 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 2: like you said, you see a lot of the good stuff. 511 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 2: I mean, you know there's gonna be moments with all 512 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:31,440 Speaker 2: these guys. I me, it's the reason we're talking about 513 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:35,199 Speaker 2: that they have great moments and great games. But I 514 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:39,200 Speaker 2: want great consistency. I want guys that when they're making 515 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:42,200 Speaker 2: a throw, make the throw every time. When they're making 516 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 2: a read, they make the read every time. So that's 517 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:47,160 Speaker 2: what I'm looking for, and I just didn't see enough 518 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 2: of that with the with Drake. May you know where 519 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 2: I can feel fully comfortable that, hey, if I take him, 520 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,919 Speaker 2: I can fix those issues and then I'll couple it 521 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 2: with the athletic ability and and we'll be off and running. 522 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 4: You're ready for a change. Payday comes early with Citizens, 523 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 4: So go to that retreat. 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Learn more at citizensbank dot com. 531 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 3: I think the McCarthy analysis is interesting because he played 532 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,399 Speaker 3: in an NFL style offense with Jim Harbaugh in college 533 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:32,639 Speaker 3: to the worst some NFL concepts in terms of their routes, 534 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:35,160 Speaker 3: but he never really had to play from behind. Right, 535 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 3: He is the benefit of a great running game you 536 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 3: talked about in your video. All this passes are flat right, 537 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 3: Like he doesn't have great touch on deep balls. I 538 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,400 Speaker 3: noticed that too watching the tape. Everything is the same speed. 539 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,880 Speaker 3: I guess for a guy like McCarthy, do you foresee 540 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:51,920 Speaker 3: a world where he can improve to the point where 541 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:55,439 Speaker 3: he can elevate himself and has the overall package to 542 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 3: be you know that top eight Harry the team, you know, 543 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:04,200 Speaker 3: Herbert Burrow Rogers type of quarterback. Do you think that's 544 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 3: in him if he puts everything together, or do you 545 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:08,679 Speaker 3: think there's something there that might eventually hold him back 546 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:10,160 Speaker 3: from reaching those types of heights. 547 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not sure he's that guy. I mean, first, 548 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 2: like you said, we never really got to see it, 549 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 2: so you know that's that's kind of an unfortunate thing. 550 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:20,440 Speaker 2: I think I only found one game where he threw 551 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 2: the ball over thirty times, only one game where he 552 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,119 Speaker 2: had over three hundred yards passing, And you're right, he 553 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,439 Speaker 2: didn't have to and so you know, it's a different 554 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,919 Speaker 2: world when you get to third and medium, and you know, 555 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,360 Speaker 2: USC is in a dogfight every week, so we got 556 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:34,680 Speaker 2: to go for it. We got to try to get 557 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,640 Speaker 2: the third medium in Michigan. We can hand the ball off, 558 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 2: or we can throw a screen, and we can punt 559 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 2: because we got a great defense, and you know, we 560 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,359 Speaker 2: don't have to push the envelope. And so you know, 561 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,119 Speaker 2: there's so many different ways in which you can look 562 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,199 Speaker 2: at it. The one thing I would say is, you know, 563 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 2: I don't necessarily see the wow with JJ McCarthy. I 564 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 2: see why there's excitement. I see why he could be 565 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 2: a really good NFL quarterback. You mentioned it. The system 566 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 2: plays under center, you know, so he's used to the 567 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:04,119 Speaker 2: play action stuff, turning his back to the defense. He 568 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 2: can play in the shotgun, he can make the throws 569 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 2: down the field. You know, he played in a more 570 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:11,439 Speaker 2: pro style in terms of some of the concepts that 571 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 2: they ran than some of these other guys. So he's 572 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 2: he's been asked to make some of those throws. So 573 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 2: I understand why you're excited, you know, about him being 574 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,639 Speaker 2: a starter in the league. I just don't know. I 575 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 2: haven't seen the wow factor that makes me say, okay, 576 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 2: he can he can take it to another level, Which 577 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 2: doesn't mean he's going to be a bad quarterback. I mean, 578 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,919 Speaker 2: could he be a Jared Goff? Of course, you know, 579 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,879 Speaker 2: could he be you know, because maybe, yeah, maybe a 580 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,879 Speaker 2: Kirk Cousins type. Although I look at Kirk in a 581 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:41,879 Speaker 2: little higher regard in the terms of some of the 582 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 2: throws that he makes than a lot of guys in 583 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 2: the league, even though there's some deficiencies there. Just the 584 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:50,160 Speaker 2: way he throws the football is really good. But but yes, 585 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,919 Speaker 2: kind of in that mode a little bit more, you 586 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,639 Speaker 2: know than some other guys in the league that that 587 00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,440 Speaker 2: kind of take over and carry a team with their 588 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,920 Speaker 2: right arm. And so like him, I don't know if 589 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 2: I see the star power. But again, we weren't asked, 590 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 2: you know, he wasn't asked to do that. You know, 591 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 2: we didn't get the chance to see that because they 592 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,640 Speaker 2: had to throw at every snap. So maybe it's in there, 593 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,679 Speaker 2: and you know, we just haven't had the luxury of 594 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 2: seeing it up to this point. But I see a 595 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 2: guy that could, I could be a good solid quarterback, 596 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 2: a good leader, a guy that's gonna need a good 597 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,880 Speaker 2: team around him, but can make, you know, to make 598 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 2: the throws and the decision making and can win games 599 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 2: for you, you know, make those throws in the moment 600 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 2: that you need to win games for you. And so 601 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,359 Speaker 2: I see why people like him. I just don't know 602 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 2: if he's got the upside you know that that I 603 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:42,200 Speaker 2: see from some of those other guys. 604 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 3: All right, then Pennix Kurt down the field and they 605 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 3: have some medfal concepts in that system too, right with 606 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 3: their downfield passing game. He is a good arm I 607 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 3: wonder about his ball placement in like the intermediate areas, 608 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,879 Speaker 3: and you talk about that kind of internal GPS that 609 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,400 Speaker 3: Caleb Williams has to escape and be creative. I don't 610 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:00,399 Speaker 3: know if I saw enough of that with Pennix. And 611 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,159 Speaker 3: he's ready a five year player. That's why for me, 612 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 3: he's maybe more of like an early second round type 613 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 3: of guy. I'm not sure he's gonna get there. We 614 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,359 Speaker 3: can put the medicals aside. What are some of the 615 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 3: things you saw from Penix where the highs are really 616 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,399 Speaker 3: really high. I just wonder, you know, not behind the 617 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 3: great offensive line with three NFL caliber receivers, how that's 618 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 3: going to necessarily translate to the NFL. 619 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I really like Michael Pennix. I mean, when 620 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 2: you watch him on tape and you just break down 621 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 2: what he did on film, he was really really good. 622 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,640 Speaker 2: And he was really good on the second level throws 623 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 2: and the deep throws, which you know, you can be 624 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 2: consistent on thoes because I believe, you know, NFL quarterbacks 625 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,880 Speaker 2: are made, or at least they used to be made. 626 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 2: You know. Now it's a different world with all these 627 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 2: throws at the line of scrimmage, but he used to, 628 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 2: you know, have to be made with those second level 629 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 2: throws what I call chunk throws. You know, that fifteen 630 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,120 Speaker 2: to thirty five yard throw is where you could really 631 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 2: separate yourself. And I think he does that as well 632 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:55,879 Speaker 2: as anybody, and it was as accurate as anybody. I 633 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 2: love the pace that he puts on the football. You know, 634 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:00,920 Speaker 2: you can't always tell on tape, but when I watched 635 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 2: him at the Combine, you know, that jumped off the 636 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,639 Speaker 2: page for me. His ability to have a firm but 637 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 2: soft ball an easy ball to catch. Yet it was 638 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 2: firm and had no problem getting to its location that 639 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,879 Speaker 2: you know, on the timing that it needed to. So 640 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 2: I really like that. You know, he has a tendency 641 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,360 Speaker 2: to open up his technique a little bit, which can 642 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,920 Speaker 2: cause some you know, some inefficiencies at times. But even 643 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 2: when he did that, he was he was more accurate 644 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:27,639 Speaker 2: than I expected him to be. When he when he 645 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 2: opened up that right foot and was kind of thrown 646 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 2: back to his left side, I kept thinking, Okay, he's 647 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 2: gonna miss this one because his techniques all of it, 648 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 2: and he would find ways to drop those throws in there. 649 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:41,120 Speaker 2: So I really like Michael Pennis. I'm not, as I 650 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 2: said at the beginning, I'm not a guy that that 651 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 2: falls in love too much with the athletic part of it. 652 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 2: I think that is that should be a bonus. You've 653 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 2: got to play the position, you know, because I see 654 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 2: it every year and I see it every week that 655 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 2: the quarterbacks that play the position and are most efficient 656 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 2: inside the pocket are the ones that win every single week. 657 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 2: You know, the special plays on the outside are great, 658 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 2: and that's a huge bonus. And some guys can make 659 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 2: a few more of those than others in the course 660 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 2: of a game. But even guys like Lamar Jackson, their 661 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 2: teams are better, they're more efficient when he plays on 662 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,400 Speaker 2: schedule in the pocket. Josh Allen, same way, he can 663 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 2: be Superman. Teams are better when he plays in the 664 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 2: pocket on schedule. And so you know, with Michael Penny, 665 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 2: I don't worry about the other stuff, Like all I 666 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 2: need is a couple of those a game. And does 667 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 2: he have the ability to make a few moves or 668 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 2: to buy a little bit of time in the pocket 669 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,719 Speaker 2: and make throws. Yeah, he does. And so some guys 670 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 2: like at Joe Burrow are going to be less apt 671 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 2: to leave the pocket, and they're going to dissect you 672 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 2: in the pocket. And then they've got just enough athleticism 673 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 2: to make a play with their feet or to buy 674 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 2: some time and make a throw. That to me is, 675 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 2: you know, more than anything, what I'm looking for, because 676 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,320 Speaker 2: I want a guy that for fifteen years can play 677 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 2: the game the same way and doesn't have to count 678 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 2: on his athletic ability to carry him. I want to 679 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 2: find a guy that understand how to play the position, 680 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 2: can manipulate the pocket, can buy time because I still 681 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 2: think as much as everybody wants to say you can't 682 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 2: win in the league that way, I still think that's 683 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 2: the way you win in this league. I see it 684 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,240 Speaker 2: every year in the playoffs. The guys that play the 685 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 2: best in the pocket are the guys that advance ninety 686 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 2: five percent of the time. So yes, it can still win. 687 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 2: Make decisions, get the ball out of your hands, get 688 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 2: it to the guys that are faster than you, get 689 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 2: it to the guys that are more athletic than you, 690 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,720 Speaker 2: and that's where you win football games. So you know, 691 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 2: so I think he does have enough movement. He can 692 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 2: manipulate the pocket, right, you know. Drew Brees. Drew Brees 693 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 2: didn't do a lot of stuff athletically, but he was 694 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 2: really good at manipulating the pocket and buying time to 695 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,960 Speaker 2: be able to get that throw off down the field. 696 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 2: Tom Brady was another one. And I think Michael Pennix 697 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:50,240 Speaker 2: has shown the ability to quickly adjust the pocket, reset 698 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 2: get the ball out of his hands and make throws. 699 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 2: And I think there's enough there for sure to you know, 700 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 2: to be a top quarterback in the NFL if all 701 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 2: the other pieces come along. And as you said, the 702 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,560 Speaker 2: medical I just I don't know how you deal with that, 703 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 2: because on tape I would probably put Michael Pennix number 704 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 2: three in this draft with what he did week in 705 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 2: and week out on tape this year. But you know, 706 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 2: when you're talking about, you know, season ending injuries over 707 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:19,959 Speaker 2: and over again, knowing that it's been different issues, you know, 708 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 2: I would be afraid, you know, because the history is there. 709 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 2: I would be afraid to draft him too high because 710 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 2: if he did suffer an injury, you know, it's easy 711 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 2: to say, well, it was all there in front of you. 712 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:31,960 Speaker 2: We knew this was part of his past, which is 713 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 2: unfortunate because he's played a couple of great years without 714 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 2: getting injured and shown his ability. I just don't know 715 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 2: how NFL teams are going to manage that and handle that. Kurt. 716 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 3: I love your perspective. Thank you so much. Just fantastic 717 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 3: and wonderful. Once again, you talk about quarterback confidence for everybody. 718 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 3: Go check that out please, Kurt, Thanks so much for 719 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 3: the time, and we'll talk to you again real soon. 720 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 2: You got it. Sounds good? Yes, look forward to catch 721 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 2: it up after the draft and see see how you 722 00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 2: guys made out. 723 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 3: Kurt Water on the Giants little podcast. Thanks for being 724 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:01,960 Speaker 3: with us, everybody, We'll see you next time.