WEBVTT - Gang Shit 0:00:05.960 --> 0:00:08.560 You're listening to Waiting on Reparations, a production of I 0:00:08.680 --> 0:00:20.440 Heart Radio, Do Do Uh, We're waiting No reparations, were 0:00:20.440 --> 0:00:26.439 waiting reparations. Hurry up. My head is spending around like 0:00:26.480 --> 0:00:28.400 a merry goat. Tell him you can sound it like 0:00:28.480 --> 0:00:30.160 chick herera on the carery yoke. But it's not that 0:00:30.240 --> 0:00:32.480 jack and chair we coke. It's the caressene the aero 0:00:32.520 --> 0:00:35.159 so dropping in there, he's cold. Another brother, Maddy was 0:00:35.240 --> 0:00:38.520 barely grown, Mama stopping like the bottom octive of a baperitone. 0:00:38.640 --> 0:00:40.479 Watching is the bearer on the cops, so that it 0:00:40.560 --> 0:00:43.000 ain't have been flare up the blocks, Egg, you better 0:00:43.080 --> 0:00:46.240 prepare yourself. We keep the monitor past the binoculous dropping 0:00:46.280 --> 0:00:48.440 pair of scope. We're sending in Leslie Nope, front of 0:00:48.479 --> 0:00:50.880 the auspices of robbing hood. We got no other option. 0:00:50.960 --> 0:00:53.680 Take a portion of the part distributed to the barrio 0:00:53.960 --> 0:00:57.720 marching in the Congress, taking down across America. Pay homage 0:00:57.720 --> 0:01:00.360 to the god of the rob should you motherfucking wrappers 0:01:00.400 --> 0:01:03.280 like a clover in time black version of Optimus Prime. 0:01:03.480 --> 0:01:05.920 But my product design served the last person with a 0:01:05.959 --> 0:01:08.360 sign of R nine. I'm leaving y'all into twine and 0:01:08.440 --> 0:01:10.920 you caught in a bond. This mad topics to find 0:01:10.920 --> 0:01:13.600 though when I'm under ground to the cheers, fade away 0:01:13.680 --> 0:01:16.160 and it's time to retire. I'm painting the yash you're 0:01:16.200 --> 0:01:18.920 hoping with, dying of fire and ships make believe and 0:01:18.920 --> 0:01:21.039 what I'm busting sun I play for keeps you bumps 0:01:21.040 --> 0:01:23.400 and nothing but a bunch of motherfucking waste the beats. 0:01:23.640 --> 0:01:26.040 I'm a beast on stage. You're on a vacant streets, 0:01:26.040 --> 0:01:28.639 stepping a cipher and they bowl with that. You're making speed. 0:01:28.760 --> 0:01:31.279 I knock them down. Shakepeare's with a lot of style, 0:01:31.360 --> 0:01:34.040 box of mouth, giving you faking tears and crocking dials 0:01:34.280 --> 0:01:37.200 and you crack smoking. I'm only half choking. I'm baanging. 0:01:37.319 --> 0:01:42.200 You're the bat poking. Get your back broken dope. My 0:01:42.319 --> 0:01:46.520 name's Dope night and we are waiting on reparations. Hurry 0:01:46.600 --> 0:01:51.880 up and we are back again for another episode. How 0:01:51.920 --> 0:01:56.800 are you doing? I'm fine, only I'm just tripping because, 0:01:56.840 --> 0:02:01.560 like so earlier today I saw my psychiatrist all the 0:02:01.640 --> 0:02:04.800 little scummels because zoom once you know, skype or whatever, 0:02:05.840 --> 0:02:10.080 and I was talking about, you know, the upcoming wave 0:02:10.160 --> 0:02:19.320 of evictions and the waning of the protests and the 0:02:20.360 --> 0:02:24.680 unemployment benefits running out in Congress not getting shit enough 0:02:24.720 --> 0:02:28.440 about working people to like pass anything to help us. 0:02:29.720 --> 0:02:32.560 And he was like, well, do you think your medication 0:02:32.639 --> 0:02:36.280 is working? And I'm like, does it fucking sound like it? 0:02:37.880 --> 0:02:40.000 You hear the tone in my voice as I describe 0:02:40.040 --> 0:02:42.720 the horror with which I am surveying the world. And 0:02:42.760 --> 0:02:44.880 it's just an interesting moment where he was like, Oh, 0:02:44.919 --> 0:02:47.120 you're right. I guess there's nothing really I can do 0:02:47.160 --> 0:02:50.079 to help you because the world is a fucking hou escape. 0:02:51.320 --> 0:02:54.120 Have a good day. That'll be two fifty bucks. You're welcome. 0:02:54.320 --> 0:02:56.280 It's ridiculous that it's like the first thing that he 0:02:56.280 --> 0:02:59.160 would think to say is do you want some drugs? 0:02:59.280 --> 0:03:01.440 Or are you taking your drugs? But if you draw 0:03:01.560 --> 0:03:03.120 to the dress artist, like do you what the fund? 0:03:03.160 --> 0:03:06.040 Do you think? Now? I feel you though? Like, um, 0:03:06.160 --> 0:03:09.280 for real, I got hit by like a wave of 0:03:09.360 --> 0:03:12.760 depression like a few days ago where I was just down, 0:03:12.919 --> 0:03:15.959 like for two days straight. And it was just because 0:03:16.040 --> 0:03:19.520 you know, normally, since you know, you know, the whole 0:03:19.520 --> 0:03:21.680 deal is like when you make music independently and when 0:03:21.720 --> 0:03:24.680 you when you're like an independent artist, you're always thinking 0:03:25.440 --> 0:03:27.679 like two or three steps ahead if you're smart, you 0:03:27.720 --> 0:03:29.080 know what I mean. You think you're thinking about what 0:03:29.120 --> 0:03:32.480 you're gonna be doing, you know, five months from now. 0:03:33.160 --> 0:03:36.120 And it's just like with everything going on, it's just 0:03:36.240 --> 0:03:39.200 been it's been hard to have that sort of vision 0:03:39.400 --> 0:03:42.160 like and envisioning like the future like that. So it 0:03:42.280 --> 0:03:45.120 was just putting me down. But I didn't had to 0:03:45.120 --> 0:03:47.080 start working on the episode that kind of brought me up. 0:03:47.080 --> 0:03:50.160 So here we are. Here we are yeah, um, oh 0:03:50.240 --> 0:03:53.920 you know what else did happened? Yeah? So um. Earlier 0:03:53.920 --> 0:03:59.520 this week, the police Department here at Athens release the 0:03:59.600 --> 0:04:04.040 result of their internal investigation about their conduct the night 0:04:04.160 --> 0:04:07.080 of May thirty one, which was the big march that 0:04:07.120 --> 0:04:09.080 I led and then a bunch of my friends got 0:04:09.080 --> 0:04:13.560 to your guests and shot with Leslie's ammunitions and the 0:04:14.880 --> 0:04:18.160 fun What do you think they fucking found? I'm assuming 0:04:18.200 --> 0:04:21.560 they didn't do anything wrong. According to that, we investigated 0:04:21.600 --> 0:04:25.520 ourselves and found we did no wrongdoing. And it's so 0:04:25.560 --> 0:04:28.160 funny because like at first they didn't admit that they 0:04:28.279 --> 0:04:31.640 used like bean backgrounds, and now they admit they did. 0:04:32.080 --> 0:04:34.919 They claimed that like protesters were hiding like bricks in 0:04:34.960 --> 0:04:36.480 their tents and they were going to fucking throw with 0:04:36.520 --> 0:04:39.280 the cops. And now they admit the no bricks were 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:41.960 found on the folks they arrested, And it's like they're 0:04:42.000 --> 0:04:45.520 admitting to all these lies in this report that supposed 0:04:45.520 --> 0:04:48.039 to it was all of any wrongdoing, because because they 0:04:48.080 --> 0:04:51.599 conducted at their own investor, it doesn't even make sense 0:04:51.640 --> 0:04:55.680 that they did anyone do an investigation on themselves like that. 0:04:55.880 --> 0:04:57.880 It's like have you ever have you ever read the 0:04:57.920 --> 0:05:04.040 comic folk Watchman? No haven't, or there's like, yeah, yeah 0:05:04.040 --> 0:05:09.320 exactly the film, Yeah yeah, but who watches The Watchman? 0:05:09.360 --> 0:05:12.479 I mean like it's it's on some street level ship 0:05:12.600 --> 0:05:15.360 of like nobody snitch exactly. But I mean that's just 0:05:15.400 --> 0:05:17.360 how it is, Just like any sort of like gang 0:05:17.440 --> 0:05:20.920 er organized group where everyone's looking out for each other 0:05:21.160 --> 0:05:24.920 and no one's gonna there. They look at everybody else's 0:05:24.960 --> 0:05:27.640 being the outsiders, and they look at themselves as being like, 0:05:28.320 --> 0:05:32.080 you know, the inner circle, and they don't deviate outside 0:05:32.080 --> 0:05:35.400 that quote unquote family. So yeah, first rule of five clubs. 0:05:35.480 --> 0:05:37.440 You don't talk about five club They don't fucking say 0:05:37.440 --> 0:05:41.440 ship to nobody to turn in their own under any circumstances. 0:05:41.560 --> 0:05:43.839 What does that sound like to you? Sounds like a 0:05:43.880 --> 0:05:47.360 fucking gang to me, gang gang gang gang gang gang gang. 0:05:47.400 --> 0:05:49.839 That brings us to our topic afterday. Before we get 0:05:49.839 --> 0:05:51.840 on that, let me give a shout out to the 0:05:51.839 --> 0:05:55.280 homie One Cosby out of Cincinnati, Ohio. He's the one 0:05:55.320 --> 0:05:58.680 who's provided the beach for today. That's One Cosby at 0:05:58.720 --> 0:06:01.920 one Cosby on Instagram. So go check him out in 0:06:01.960 --> 0:06:05.120 holler med him for some beats because he's got some fire. 0:06:06.440 --> 0:06:08.200 All right. Yeah, I think when you look at the 0:06:08.279 --> 0:06:11.119 history and then of police saying look at the history 0:06:11.120 --> 0:06:14.919 of gangs, there's so many parallels and moments of intersection, 0:06:16.160 --> 0:06:20.320 uh that kind of spring up. And so I mean, 0:06:20.360 --> 0:06:22.560 at this point it's almost like, you know, we say 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:24.679 it all the time, and that's what this episode is about. 0:06:24.760 --> 0:06:27.440 But at this point it's kind of even a cliche 0:06:27.640 --> 0:06:30.159 the comparison of police to gangs, because it's like something 0:06:30.200 --> 0:06:33.960 that everybody pretty much accepts for this point especially. And 0:06:33.960 --> 0:06:36.240 when I talk about parallels, I'm not talking about like 0:06:36.880 --> 0:06:40.680 a linkage between like police budgets and like crime rates, 0:06:40.680 --> 0:06:43.919 because nationally that has not been found to exists, but 0:06:44.160 --> 0:06:47.680 rather the way the parallels culture, culture and the way 0:06:47.720 --> 0:06:50.000 they operate. Yeah, and a touch on that we're gonna 0:06:50.000 --> 0:06:53.839 be talking with hip hop and spoken word artists propaganda 0:06:54.120 --> 0:06:58.520 who's the co host and hosts, respectively of the Behind 0:06:58.520 --> 0:07:01.560 the Police and Hood Politics podcasts? But um, how did 0:07:01.560 --> 0:07:03.920 we end up here? Like, how do we end up 0:07:04.360 --> 0:07:09.440 with what we have as a centralized police force in America? 0:07:10.600 --> 0:07:13.679 Policing in the United States mirror the development of policing 0:07:13.680 --> 0:07:16.840 in England. One informal form it took was referred to 0:07:16.960 --> 0:07:20.560 as watch or private for profit policing. Yeah, so the 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:23.200 watch system was made up on like community volunteers, but 0:07:23.320 --> 0:07:28.200 the main duty of warning incoming danger, so between like 0:07:28.200 --> 0:07:32.400 like sixty six and sev hundred um. A similar night 0:07:32.400 --> 0:07:35.560 watch was created in Boston, New York and Philadelphia. Now, 0:07:35.600 --> 0:07:38.680 the night Watch wasn't really that effective at controlling crime 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:41.160 because for the most part, those guys were drinking and 0:07:41.200 --> 0:07:43.840 falling asleep while they were on duty, and most volunteers 0:07:43.840 --> 0:07:46.880 were trying to avoid military service. And we're drafted into 0:07:46.880 --> 0:07:50.080 service by their town or we're performing watch dudis is punishment. 0:07:50.800 --> 0:07:55.400 Another system was the constable system official law enforcement officers. 0:07:55.760 --> 0:07:59.040 They were paid a fee for warrants they served. Constables 0:07:59.080 --> 0:08:01.280 had a bunch of non law enforcement jobs as well, 0:08:01.320 --> 0:08:05.360 including land surveyors and weights and measure inspectors. And then 0:08:05.400 --> 0:08:08.960 in the South, policing had its roots and slave patrols, 0:08:08.960 --> 0:08:11.760 a squads of white volunteers given the green light to 0:08:11.880 --> 0:08:15.160 enforce laws related to slavery, capturing and returning escape slaves, 0:08:15.520 --> 0:08:19.000 calling slave rebellions, and enforcing plantation rules with harsh and 0:08:19.040 --> 0:08:24.040 often statistic punishments. The first slave patrol was in modern 0:08:24.120 --> 0:08:27.680 day South Carolina in seventeen o four, and they had 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:31.000 three primary functions to chase, down, apprehend, and return slaves 0:08:31.000 --> 0:08:34.800 to their owners, To provide a form of organized terror 0:08:34.800 --> 0:08:37.720 to deter slave revolts, and to maintain a form of 0:08:37.720 --> 0:08:40.680 discipline for slave workers who were subject to plantation justice 0:08:40.720 --> 0:08:44.200 outside of the law if they violated any plantation rules. 0:08:45.480 --> 0:08:48.400 After the Civil War, these vigilante groups merged in the 0:08:48.520 --> 0:08:51.679 modern Southern police departments, mainly as a way of controlling 0:08:51.679 --> 0:08:54.200 freed former slaves who are now working in the agricultural 0:08:54.600 --> 0:08:58.079 cast system, enforcing a set of racist government policies called 0:08:58.120 --> 0:09:00.880 the Black Codes, designed to deny ead black people equal 0:09:00.960 --> 0:09:03.880 rights and access to the political system The codes also 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:08.560 restricted traveling and housing. In eighteen sixty eight, the Black 0:09:08.559 --> 0:09:11.360 Codes were rendered illegal about the Fourteenth Amendment, but within 0:09:11.440 --> 0:09:14.120 twenty years Jim Crow segregation laws got around that ever 0:09:14.160 --> 0:09:17.000 adopted across the South, and enforcement of those laws so 0:09:17.120 --> 0:09:24.440 put it in the hands of Gusts fucking who. The 0:09:26.720 --> 0:09:28.720 in the eighteen thirties is when the idea of a 0:09:28.760 --> 0:09:31.960 centralized municipal police department first emerged in the United States. 0:09:32.040 --> 0:09:33.920 And it's really funny because I got an arguments with 0:09:33.960 --> 0:09:36.120 people on Instagram about this because on four the July 0:09:36.600 --> 0:09:38.760 I posted about the fact that you know, we're celebrating 0:09:38.760 --> 0:09:41.080 this holiday about the founding of our country, and in 0:09:41.160 --> 0:09:44.880 seventeen seventy six, the police as we know it did 0:09:44.920 --> 0:09:51.320 not exist in America, and for the majority of human history, indeed, 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:56.320 policing as an institution, as the centralized municipal police department 0:09:56.400 --> 0:09:58.680 that you know I read to the eighteen thirties did 0:09:58.720 --> 0:10:03.360 not exist throughout human society. And so when we talk 0:10:03.440 --> 0:10:06.960 about abolition, etcetera, we're really talking about in a sense, 0:10:06.960 --> 0:10:09.760 getting back to our roots of like other forms of 0:10:09.760 --> 0:10:15.640 accountability and other forms of um UH security and public 0:10:15.679 --> 0:10:20.720 safety through like community based like, you know, not just 0:10:20.760 --> 0:10:24.280 seeing your neighbors, not not not sorry, not just watching 0:10:24.280 --> 0:10:26.280 your neighbors, but like seeing them for who they are 0:10:26.400 --> 0:10:30.920 and understanding them, understanding them. Yeah, and so um, I mean, 0:10:30.920 --> 0:10:33.079 does I feel like that's what a lot of this 0:10:33.240 --> 0:10:35.640 moment and what's going on is about, is about like 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:40.560 completely changing people's whole way of looking at stuff, you know, 0:10:41.320 --> 0:10:46.440 more so than just necessarily reforming an institution. Yeah. No, 0:10:46.600 --> 0:10:49.280 I think I think the idea of like even you know, 0:10:49.360 --> 0:10:53.360 defunding the police or police abolition requires us to stop 0:10:53.360 --> 0:10:55.920 outsourcing all of our problems to the state. It asks 0:10:55.960 --> 0:10:59.120 a lot more of us as private citizens to you know, 0:10:59.400 --> 0:11:03.960 be a and like surveying the conditions on our street, 0:11:04.240 --> 0:11:07.120 not just for crime to occur, but crime prevenge strategies 0:11:07.120 --> 0:11:09.920 and making sure our neighbors have everything they need. I mean, 0:11:09.960 --> 0:11:12.400 we could talk about expanding the quote unquote welfare state 0:11:12.679 --> 0:11:15.040 as a way to deter crime, but ultimately it does 0:11:15.160 --> 0:11:17.560 do think it comes down to like mutual aid and 0:11:17.600 --> 0:11:20.960 like mutual accountability on the community level, and like the 0:11:21.000 --> 0:11:23.080 responsibility that requires of us. People are like I don't 0:11:23.120 --> 0:11:24.560 have to do all that ship. I want to make 0:11:24.559 --> 0:11:28.719 sure my neighbors got fucking cheerios and fucking milk. Well, 0:11:28.720 --> 0:11:32.120 I mean, the thing is like a and this is 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:34.880 I guess it's kind of where, you know, not growing 0:11:34.960 --> 0:11:36.920 up here kind of comes into perspective for me. But 0:11:36.960 --> 0:11:40.480 it's just like, I don't know how if you know 0:11:40.640 --> 0:11:43.280 that there are people who are hungry, Like, how do 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:47.840 you walk around it like thinking that there shouldn't or 0:11:47.960 --> 0:11:51.040 won't be crime of some sort, Like you think people 0:11:51.040 --> 0:11:53.319 are just gonna like starve. I mean, I know it's 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:56.400 all relative, like everybody's definition of what they're but if 0:11:56.480 --> 0:12:00.640 you we all live this life in America knowing that 0:12:01.559 --> 0:12:04.199 it's unfair and it's unequal and a lot of people 0:12:04.240 --> 0:12:07.199 have it harder than other people, we're gonna what do 0:12:07.240 --> 0:12:08.679 you think is going to happen? I'm not saying that 0:12:08.679 --> 0:12:10.960 that's right, I'm saying, what do you expect to happen? 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:15.040 You know? Yeah, I was helping organized folks UM as 0:12:15.040 --> 0:12:17.680 a part of the National uh Strike for Black Lives 0:12:17.720 --> 0:12:22.280 where SCIU and Teamsters and the Poor People's Campaign and 0:12:22.480 --> 0:12:26.080 other UM allied organizations across the country were encouraging workers 0:12:26.120 --> 0:12:28.359 to walk off the job. And how I was explaining, 0:12:29.080 --> 0:12:33.000 like what this what relevance. This held for the moment 0:12:33.040 --> 0:12:36.959 that we're in is that economic justice is racial justice. 0:12:37.000 --> 0:12:41.320 In a world without crimes of survival, are reliance upon 0:12:41.520 --> 0:12:46.160 institution of policing is greatly decreased, some might even argue eliminated. 0:12:46.480 --> 0:12:49.880 And so when we address those economic justice issues of 0:12:50.080 --> 0:12:54.640 people having those foundation foundational needs met UM so that 0:12:54.679 --> 0:12:58.599 they can thrive UM through you know, living wage employment 0:12:58.720 --> 0:13:01.000 or through strong social safe being, it that helps them 0:13:01.080 --> 0:13:05.600 gain UM and keep meaningful employment, we won't have to 0:13:05.760 --> 0:13:08.240 we won't have to worry about you know, homies down 0:13:08.240 --> 0:13:12.280 here fighting outside the homeless shelter. But anyway, I'm sorry, 0:13:12.280 --> 0:13:16.559 I got a little bit off time. UM. So police 0:13:16.559 --> 0:13:20.160 have only existed in America for like a little little 0:13:20.200 --> 0:13:24.440 shy have two hundred years. UM. One reason that they 0:13:24.480 --> 0:13:27.160 first emerged was that cities were growing and with the 0:13:27.240 --> 0:13:29.280 US no longer being a collection of small cities and 0:13:29.360 --> 0:13:33.240 rural towns, with urbanization occurring at a pace that made 0:13:33.280 --> 0:13:36.720 the watching constable systems no longer good enough to stop 0:13:36.760 --> 0:13:39.800 this disorder. They had to transition to something more centralized. 0:13:40.240 --> 0:13:45.600 And we'll come back to that word disorder, but yeah, 0:13:45.800 --> 0:13:49.480 the general public disorder was more visible and less easily 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:52.440 controlled in growing urban centers than it had been in 0:13:52.520 --> 0:13:56.400 rural areas. Increasing crime and visible vice, you know, public 0:13:56.440 --> 0:14:01.400 drunkenness and sometimes prostitution. Mob violence, for particularly violence directed 0:14:01.440 --> 0:14:05.720 at immigrants and African Americans took place frequently, um, but 0:14:05.800 --> 0:14:08.040 there is no evidence that there was like a crime 0:14:08.120 --> 0:14:10.240 way back then that made them say, hey, we gotta 0:14:10.480 --> 0:14:14.400 start a centralized police force. Like that's not really what 0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:16.920 was going on. Yeah, I think the keyword here is 0:14:17.040 --> 0:14:21.880 visible vice because I think Alexandria Cossio Cortez in a 0:14:21.960 --> 0:14:24.880 recent interview was talking about how what folks and this 0:14:24.920 --> 0:14:27.080 has been contested by abolitionists, but like we was talking 0:14:27.120 --> 0:14:31.040 about how folks uh need to think of defunding the 0:14:31.080 --> 0:14:35.040 police as advocating for black communities to be police like 0:14:35.040 --> 0:14:39.560 white communities. Are white communities where visible vice is not 0:14:39.680 --> 0:14:42.000 so much of an issue. People aren' drinking down the 0:14:42.000 --> 0:14:45.320 street corner or standing out, you know, up by the 0:14:45.360 --> 0:14:50.080 stop sign hooking, because they're doing these things behind closed 0:14:50.120 --> 0:14:53.320 doors on private properties, whether or not seen, and thus 0:14:53.360 --> 0:15:03.000 it kind of keeps this image of public order. Kentucky 0:15:03.080 --> 0:15:06.800 University criminologist Gary Potter and his paper The History of 0:15:06.800 --> 0:15:10.520 policing in the United States stated more than crime. Modern 0:15:10.560 --> 0:15:13.240 police forces in the United States emerges a response to 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:17.440 quote disorder will constitute social and public order depends largely 0:15:17.480 --> 0:15:19.880 on who is defining those terms, and in the cities 0:15:19.880 --> 0:15:23.840 of the nineteenth century America, they were defined by mercantile interests, 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:27.520 whose taxes and political influence supported the development of bureaucratic 0:15:27.520 --> 0:15:31.560 policing institutions. These economic interests had a greater interest in 0:15:31.640 --> 0:15:35.680 social control than crime control. Private and for profit policing 0:15:35.800 --> 0:15:39.080 was to disorganize and to crime specific inform To fulfill 0:15:39.160 --> 0:15:42.840 these needs, the emerging commercial elites needed a mechanism to 0:15:43.000 --> 0:15:46.400 ensure a stable and orderly workforce, a stable and orderly 0:15:46.480 --> 0:15:49.600 environment to conductive business, and the maintenance of what they 0:15:49.640 --> 0:15:53.520 referred to as the collective good. These mercantile interests also 0:15:53.600 --> 0:15:57.520 wanted to divest themselves the cost of protecting their own enterprises, 0:15:57.680 --> 0:16:03.960 transferring those costs from the private sector to the state. Hey, 0:16:03.960 --> 0:16:06.360 so we got a special guest today, Oh yes we do. 0:16:07.000 --> 0:16:11.920 Who is that? We have? Jason Emmanuel Petty, or known 0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:16.520 to the world as a propaganda games the same amount 0:16:16.560 --> 0:16:19.320 of jail time. It's eighteen of cocaine, but eight say 0:16:19.400 --> 0:16:23.040 the same thing. It's crooked, stay eat known kind and 0:16:23.400 --> 0:16:27.080 must worsnd instead of celebrating shine and hip hop and 0:16:27.120 --> 0:16:31.320 spoken word artists and poet from Los Angeles, California and 0:16:31.400 --> 0:16:34.960 the co host up behind the police and politics prop 0:16:35.120 --> 0:16:37.080 How are you today? I'm all right man. You know 0:16:37.120 --> 0:16:39.800 you gave a full government though YO said, I didn't 0:16:39.840 --> 0:16:44.840 need to put the fans just watching. You know what 0:16:44.840 --> 0:16:49.160 I'm talking about. I don't really talking about the police. No, 0:16:49.360 --> 0:16:52.040 we're good. I'm all good man. We uh we um 0:16:52.320 --> 0:16:55.400 on a personal note, or like the house we're renting, 0:16:55.480 --> 0:16:58.760 we're looking into buying, so which is super dope, which 0:16:58.800 --> 0:17:01.840 means now I have an office uh over here like 0:17:01.920 --> 0:17:05.359 not recording in my bedroom with my like daughter taking 0:17:05.359 --> 0:17:07.439 her nap right on the other side of the wall. 0:17:07.480 --> 0:17:10.560 You know what I'm saying. Yeah, So tell us a 0:17:10.560 --> 0:17:12.840 little bit about yourself for folks that may not be 0:17:12.920 --> 0:17:16.560 familiar with their work. Yeah, yeah, How would you describe yourself? 0:17:16.960 --> 0:17:21.120 Man um Almo Tall drink of walk Nona. I am 0:17:21.400 --> 0:17:24.399 south central Los Angeles, you know, born and bred in 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:28.800 l A, moved around the cornucopia Los Angeles. Um, I 0:17:28.800 --> 0:17:33.360 don't know how familiar listeners are. But like Sand Valley, Whittier, 0:17:33.520 --> 0:17:35.600 Long Beach, I've lived in pretty much all of it. 0:17:36.040 --> 0:17:38.879 Lived in i E. For a little bit. Um My 0:17:39.200 --> 0:17:43.120 Uh moms from d C. Dad from Texas. My father 0:17:43.200 --> 0:17:46.600 was a black panther. Uh. Fell in love with hip 0:17:46.600 --> 0:17:51.240 hop at in Lamart Park in l A. And Um. 0:17:51.280 --> 0:17:54.520 I went to college for illustration and in their cultural studies, 0:17:54.640 --> 0:17:56.879 and then I went on to get a masters in 0:17:56.960 --> 0:18:00.119 social science. I taught history for six years. Um. And 0:18:00.160 --> 0:18:02.440 I was just a hardcore battle rapper the whole time, 0:18:02.640 --> 0:18:04.840 you know. And then uh, yeah, you know what I'm saying. 0:18:04.880 --> 0:18:09.040 Fell in love of poetry in college. Um and in 0:18:09.080 --> 0:18:13.320 our story right right yeah, and uh and just kind 0:18:13.320 --> 0:18:15.320 of been like you know, there was a moment where 0:18:15.359 --> 0:18:16.879 I had to make a decision as far as like 0:18:17.000 --> 0:18:19.280 was I gonna continue in the education to be a 0:18:19.320 --> 0:18:23.400 teacher or like you know, those opportunities were arising. It's 0:18:23.480 --> 0:18:25.720 kind of funny story, I don't I know, ya ya 0:18:25.840 --> 0:18:29.320 yr listeners to appreciate it. Like I was crew I 0:18:29.440 --> 0:18:34.040 was with was Was We produced album on Caress one, um, 0:18:34.760 --> 0:18:39.280 and he was going to take us on tour. So 0:18:39.320 --> 0:18:44.040 I was like, yo, I'm out this job. The teachers 0:18:44.080 --> 0:18:50.359 didn't take me to shot and uh and it wasn't 0:18:50.359 --> 0:18:54.600 my shot, but but it was an amazing experience. You 0:18:54.640 --> 0:18:56.040 know what I'm saying that I'll never forget it. But 0:18:56.119 --> 0:18:58.480 either way, that was Like I I left the classroom 0:18:58.520 --> 0:19:00.639 around that time and then, um, yeah, I kind of 0:19:00.640 --> 0:19:03.000 been doing music and poetry and sort of activism. I 0:19:03.000 --> 0:19:04.840 come from my activist family. Like I said, my father 0:19:04.920 --> 0:19:06.840 was a Panthers, So I kind of came from that 0:19:06.920 --> 0:19:08.840 already and just kind of been doing that of a since. 0:19:09.359 --> 0:19:11.800 So what so what was his involvement with the Panthers, 0:19:11.840 --> 0:19:14.560 Like was he an organizer? Was he? Like? Yeah, so 0:19:14.560 --> 0:19:16.120 I know they did a lot of different kinds of things, 0:19:16.280 --> 0:19:21.080 Like yeah, so Pops was after school tutor and he 0:19:21.160 --> 0:19:25.320 was doing like some of the some of the the bussing, 0:19:25.400 --> 0:19:29.399 the transfers things. My father was at the watch chapter 0:19:29.560 --> 0:19:31.159 forty one and Central down here and the one that 0:19:31.359 --> 0:19:33.800 went the CIA bottle, the one with one of the 0:19:33.840 --> 0:19:37.680 ones that c Yeah, so yeah, he was a part 0:19:37.720 --> 0:19:41.640 of He was a part of the the after school tutoring. 0:19:41.720 --> 0:19:44.080 My dad. You know, after he came back from Vietnam, 0:19:44.160 --> 0:19:48.439 he was a went on to to go to u C. 0:19:48.600 --> 0:19:52.080 L A And get his Afro Studies degree in sociology. 0:19:52.119 --> 0:19:54.520 So my father was very intelligent man. And UM, so 0:19:54.680 --> 0:19:57.520 his big thing was like education is the way, so 0:19:57.560 --> 0:20:00.000 he that was that was that was where he participated 0:20:00.040 --> 0:20:03.359 the most, was in the after school tutoring. And how 0:20:03.440 --> 0:20:07.159 has like the how have those activist roots influenced the 0:20:07.200 --> 0:20:10.160 way you move in the world. Man, It's it's like 0:20:10.320 --> 0:20:14.440 it's hard to not see the need and it's hard 0:20:14.480 --> 0:20:18.280 to not see you know, sort of a a a 0:20:18.400 --> 0:20:23.880 much more sort of intersectional kind of like a very 0:20:23.920 --> 0:20:29.240 disinclusive understanding of what you know, interlocking systems of the 0:20:29.320 --> 0:20:33.640 justice look like how to have advocacy across different borders 0:20:33.640 --> 0:20:37.240 and different lines. Um. Because of again the way that 0:20:37.359 --> 0:20:42.840 like I was taught to even understand power and how 0:20:42.920 --> 0:20:47.520 you interface with power and how power uh interfaces with 0:20:47.520 --> 0:20:50.840 with the population. You know, it was just because of 0:20:50.880 --> 0:20:54.840 that sort of like like I said, like very well 0:20:54.920 --> 0:20:57.679 read activism that like my father had. It's like you 0:20:57.800 --> 0:21:00.000 just you were you were able to see it every everywhere. 0:21:00.200 --> 0:21:02.880 And then secondly, just being from l A, like I 0:21:02.920 --> 0:21:04.760 was on the east side of South Central. I know 0:21:04.800 --> 0:21:07.520 it's a lot of directions, but um, on the east 0:21:07.520 --> 0:21:10.560 side of South Central. It bordered the Latino community, so 0:21:10.600 --> 0:21:14.760 we're we're butting up against UM. Like the next street 0:21:14.800 --> 0:21:18.119 over was an area called Huntington Park, which I mean 0:21:18.160 --> 0:21:20.119 there's no signs in English in Huntington Park, you know 0:21:20.119 --> 0:21:23.239 what I'm saying. So like I I lived on this 0:21:23.359 --> 0:21:27.560 like borderlands to where I just I understood the immigrant 0:21:27.600 --> 0:21:31.560 the you know, specifically the Mexican American immigrant UM experience 0:21:32.040 --> 0:21:35.760 UM and could just see so many like I'm like 0:21:36.160 --> 0:21:39.320 they that's the same ship, Like they're doing that, you 0:21:39.320 --> 0:21:40.840 know what I'm saying. So it was just hard to 0:21:40.960 --> 0:21:43.520 not It's hard to not notice it. And realized that 0:21:43.600 --> 0:21:45.600 like a lot of our work where we was doing 0:21:45.920 --> 0:21:47.840 and what my father was doing for the black community 0:21:47.960 --> 0:21:50.760 was like yo, like y'all could do this too, Like 0:21:50.840 --> 0:21:53.000 y'all need this to you know what I'm saying. And UM. 0:21:53.960 --> 0:21:57.239 So that like sort of intersectional understanding I think kind 0:21:57.280 --> 0:21:59.840 of came from having that lord like activists like father, 0:22:00.040 --> 0:22:02.720 know what I'm saying. Are there any like areas where 0:22:02.760 --> 0:22:05.920 you're hip hop and your activism like intersect I mean 0:22:06.000 --> 0:22:08.760 the whole time, Like that's the funny part. Like again, 0:22:09.440 --> 0:22:12.600 you know, I the wing of hip hop I fell 0:22:12.640 --> 0:22:15.639 in love with. And I know that's another similarity because 0:22:15.680 --> 0:22:17.760 I saw the song as y'all chose for this episode. 0:22:18.200 --> 0:22:24.080 It's like, you know, I grew up going to you know, Uh, 0:22:24.240 --> 0:22:25.879 I don't know how familiar you are with just like 0:22:25.920 --> 0:22:31.800 the l A Rap scene as far as like good Life, Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:22:31.840 --> 0:22:34.040 I grew up going to that. Like I was too young, 0:22:34.160 --> 0:22:35.840 So I was too young for the Good Life. I 0:22:35.880 --> 0:22:39.320 snuck in snug right, but it was a healthfu cafe. 0:22:39.359 --> 0:22:41.239 So it's like, I mean, so what for people who 0:22:41.359 --> 0:22:43.280 might not know what that is? What is? What is? 0:22:43.920 --> 0:22:46.399 So the Good Life wasn't wasn't open mic sort of 0:22:46.440 --> 0:22:49.679 like workshop that evolved into sort of this battle scene, 0:22:49.840 --> 0:22:52.960 but you couldn't curse. Yeah, it was very clean. You 0:22:53.000 --> 0:22:56.639 couldn't curse because of uh sort of our our our 0:22:57.080 --> 0:22:59.400