1 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:08,560 Speaker 1: You're listening to Waiting on Reparations, a production of I 2 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:20,440 Speaker 1: Heart Radio, Do Do Uh, We're waiting No reparations, were 3 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:26,439 Speaker 1: waiting reparations. Hurry up. My head is spending around like 4 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: a merry goat. Tell him you can sound it like 5 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: chick herera on the carery yoke. But it's not that 6 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:32,480 Speaker 1: jack and chair we coke. It's the caressene the aero 7 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 1: so dropping in there, he's cold. Another brother, Maddy was 8 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:38,520 Speaker 1: barely grown, Mama stopping like the bottom octive of a baperitone. 9 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 1: Watching is the bearer on the cops, so that it 10 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 1: ain't have been flare up the blocks, Egg, you better 11 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:46,240 Speaker 1: prepare yourself. We keep the monitor past the binoculous dropping 12 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: pair of scope. We're sending in Leslie Nope, front of 13 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:50,880 Speaker 1: the auspices of robbing hood. We got no other option. 14 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 1: Take a portion of the part distributed to the barrio 15 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: marching in the Congress, taking down across America. Pay homage 16 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: to the god of the rob should you motherfucking wrappers 17 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 1: like a clover in time black version of Optimus Prime. 18 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 1: But my product design served the last person with a 19 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 1: sign of R nine. I'm leaving y'all into twine and 20 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 1: you caught in a bond. This mad topics to find 21 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 1: though when I'm under ground to the cheers, fade away 22 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: and it's time to retire. I'm painting the yash you're 23 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: hoping with, dying of fire and ships make believe and 24 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:21,039 Speaker 1: what I'm busting sun I play for keeps you bumps 25 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:23,400 Speaker 1: and nothing but a bunch of motherfucking waste the beats. 26 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:26,040 Speaker 1: I'm a beast on stage. You're on a vacant streets, 27 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:28,639 Speaker 1: stepping a cipher and they bowl with that. You're making speed. 28 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:31,279 Speaker 1: I knock them down. Shakepeare's with a lot of style, 29 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:34,040 Speaker 1: box of mouth, giving you faking tears and crocking dials 30 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 1: and you crack smoking. I'm only half choking. I'm baanging. 31 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: You're the bat poking. Get your back broken dope. My 32 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: name's Dope night and we are waiting on reparations. Hurry 33 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: up and we are back again for another episode. How 34 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: are you doing? I'm fine, only I'm just tripping because, 35 00:01:56,840 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 1: like so earlier today I saw my psychiatrist all the 36 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 1: little scummels because zoom once you know, skype or whatever, 37 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:10,080 Speaker 1: and I was talking about, you know, the upcoming wave 38 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 1: of evictions and the waning of the protests and the 39 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 1: unemployment benefits running out in Congress not getting shit enough 40 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: about working people to like pass anything to help us. 41 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 1: And he was like, well, do you think your medication 42 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: is working? And I'm like, does it fucking sound like it? 43 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 1: You hear the tone in my voice as I describe 44 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: the horror with which I am surveying the world. And 45 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: it's just an interesting moment where he was like, Oh, 46 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 1: you're right. I guess there's nothing really I can do 47 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:50,079 Speaker 1: to help you because the world is a fucking hou escape. 48 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 1: Have a good day. That'll be two fifty bucks. You're welcome. 49 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 1: It's ridiculous that it's like the first thing that he 50 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 1: would think to say is do you want some drugs? 51 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 1: Or are you taking your drugs? But if you draw 52 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 1: to the dress artist, like do you what the fund? 53 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 1: Do you think? Now? I feel you though? Like, um, 54 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 1: for real, I got hit by like a wave of 55 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: depression like a few days ago where I was just down, 56 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:15,959 Speaker 1: like for two days straight. And it was just because 57 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 1: you know, normally, since you know, you know, the whole 58 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 1: deal is like when you make music independently and when 59 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 1: you when you're like an independent artist, you're always thinking 60 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:27,679 Speaker 1: like two or three steps ahead if you're smart, you 61 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 1: know what I mean. You think you're thinking about what 62 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: you're gonna be doing, you know, five months from now. 63 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 1: And it's just like with everything going on, it's just 64 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: been it's been hard to have that sort of vision 65 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: like and envisioning like the future like that. So it 66 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 1: was just putting me down. But I didn't had to 67 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: start working on the episode that kind of brought me up. 68 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: So here we are. Here we are yeah, um, oh 69 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: you know what else did happened? Yeah? So um. Earlier 70 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: this week, the police Department here at Athens release the 71 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: result of their internal investigation about their conduct the night 72 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 1: of May thirty one, which was the big march that 73 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: I led and then a bunch of my friends got 74 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 1: to your guests and shot with Leslie's ammunitions and the 75 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:18,160 Speaker 1: fun What do you think they fucking found? I'm assuming 76 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 1: they didn't do anything wrong. According to that, we investigated 77 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 1: ourselves and found we did no wrongdoing. And it's so 78 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:28,160 Speaker 1: funny because like at first they didn't admit that they 79 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: used like bean backgrounds, and now they admit they did. 80 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:34,919 Speaker 1: They claimed that like protesters were hiding like bricks in 81 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 1: their tents and they were going to fucking throw with 82 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:39,280 Speaker 1: the cops. And now they admit the no bricks were 83 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 1: found on the folks they arrested, And it's like they're 84 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: admitting to all these lies in this report that supposed 85 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:48,039 Speaker 1: to it was all of any wrongdoing, because because they 86 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:51,599 Speaker 1: conducted at their own investor, it doesn't even make sense 87 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 1: that they did anyone do an investigation on themselves like that. 88 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: It's like have you ever have you ever read the 89 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:04,040 Speaker 1: comic folk Watchman? No haven't, or there's like, yeah, yeah 90 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 1: exactly the film, Yeah yeah, but who watches The Watchman? 91 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:12,479 Speaker 1: I mean like it's it's on some street level ship 92 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 1: of like nobody snitch exactly. But I mean that's just 93 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 1: how it is, Just like any sort of like gang 94 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 1: er organized group where everyone's looking out for each other 95 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 1: and no one's gonna there. They look at everybody else's 96 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: being the outsiders, and they look at themselves as being like, 97 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 1: you know, the inner circle, and they don't deviate outside 98 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 1: that quote unquote family. So yeah, first rule of five clubs. 99 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 1: You don't talk about five club They don't fucking say 100 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: ship to nobody to turn in their own under any circumstances. 101 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 1: What does that sound like to you? Sounds like a 102 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 1: fucking gang to me, gang gang gang gang gang gang gang. 103 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:49,839 Speaker 1: That brings us to our topic afterday. Before we get 104 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:51,840 Speaker 1: on that, let me give a shout out to the 105 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:55,280 Speaker 1: homie One Cosby out of Cincinnati, Ohio. He's the one 106 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 1: who's provided the beach for today. That's One Cosby at 107 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 1: one Cosby on Instagram. So go check him out in 108 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 1: holler med him for some beats because he's got some fire. 109 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 1: All right. Yeah, I think when you look at the 110 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:11,119 Speaker 1: history and then of police saying look at the history 111 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:14,919 Speaker 1: of gangs, there's so many parallels and moments of intersection, 112 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: uh that kind of spring up. And so I mean, 113 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 1: at this point it's almost like, you know, we say 114 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:24,679 Speaker 1: it all the time, and that's what this episode is about. 115 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: But at this point it's kind of even a cliche 116 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 1: the comparison of police to gangs, because it's like something 117 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 1: that everybody pretty much accepts for this point especially. And 118 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 1: when I talk about parallels, I'm not talking about like 119 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 1: a linkage between like police budgets and like crime rates, 120 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:43,919 Speaker 1: because nationally that has not been found to exists, but 121 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 1: rather the way the parallels culture, culture and the way 122 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 1: they operate. Yeah, and a touch on that we're gonna 123 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 1: be talking with hip hop and spoken word artists propaganda 124 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: who's the co host and hosts, respectively of the Behind 125 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 1: the Police and Hood Politics podcasts? But um, how did 126 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 1: we end up here? Like, how do we end up 127 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: with what we have as a centralized police force in America? 128 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:13,679 Speaker 1: Policing in the United States mirror the development of policing 129 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: in England. One informal form it took was referred to 130 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 1: as watch or private for profit policing. Yeah, so the 131 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 1: watch system was made up on like community volunteers, but 132 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: the main duty of warning incoming danger, so between like 133 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 1: like sixty six and sev hundred um. A similar night 134 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 1: watch was created in Boston, New York and Philadelphia. Now, 135 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 1: the night Watch wasn't really that effective at controlling crime 136 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: because for the most part, those guys were drinking and 137 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 1: falling asleep while they were on duty, and most volunteers 138 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 1: were trying to avoid military service. And we're drafted into 139 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: service by their town or we're performing watch dudis is punishment. 140 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 1: Another system was the constable system official law enforcement officers. 141 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 1: They were paid a fee for warrants they served. Constables 142 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 1: had a bunch of non law enforcement jobs as well, 143 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 1: including land surveyors and weights and measure inspectors. And then 144 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 1: in the South, policing had its roots and slave patrols, 145 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 1: a squads of white volunteers given the green light to 146 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 1: enforce laws related to slavery, capturing and returning escape slaves, 147 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 1: calling slave rebellions, and enforcing plantation rules with harsh and 148 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 1: often statistic punishments. The first slave patrol was in modern 149 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 1: day South Carolina in seventeen o four, and they had 150 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: three primary functions to chase, down, apprehend, and return slaves 151 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 1: to their owners, To provide a form of organized terror 152 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 1: to deter slave revolts, and to maintain a form of 153 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 1: discipline for slave workers who were subject to plantation justice 154 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 1: outside of the law if they violated any plantation rules. 155 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: After the Civil War, these vigilante groups merged in the 156 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:51,679 Speaker 1: modern Southern police departments, mainly as a way of controlling 157 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 1: freed former slaves who are now working in the agricultural 158 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:58,079 Speaker 1: cast system, enforcing a set of racist government policies called 159 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: the Black Codes, designed to deny ead black people equal 160 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 1: rights and access to the political system The codes also 161 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:08,560 Speaker 1: restricted traveling and housing. In eighteen sixty eight, the Black 162 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: Codes were rendered illegal about the Fourteenth Amendment, but within 163 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 1: twenty years Jim Crow segregation laws got around that ever 164 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 1: adopted across the South, and enforcement of those laws so 165 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 1: put it in the hands of Gusts fucking who. The 166 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 1: in the eighteen thirties is when the idea of a 167 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 1: centralized municipal police department first emerged in the United States. 168 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 1: And it's really funny because I got an arguments with 169 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 1: people on Instagram about this because on four the July 170 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: I posted about the fact that you know, we're celebrating 171 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:41,080 Speaker 1: this holiday about the founding of our country, and in 172 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 1: seventeen seventy six, the police as we know it did 173 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 1: not exist in America, and for the majority of human history, indeed, 174 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 1: policing as an institution, as the centralized municipal police department 175 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:58,680 Speaker 1: that you know I read to the eighteen thirties did 176 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 1: not exist throughout human society. And so when we talk 177 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 1: about abolition, etcetera, we're really talking about in a sense, 178 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 1: getting back to our roots of like other forms of 179 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: accountability and other forms of um UH security and public 180 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 1: safety through like community based like, you know, not just 181 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 1: seeing your neighbors, not not not sorry, not just watching 182 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 1: your neighbors, but like seeing them for who they are 183 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: and understanding them, understanding them. Yeah, and so um, I mean, 184 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:33,079 Speaker 1: does I feel like that's what a lot of this 185 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 1: moment and what's going on is about, is about like 186 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 1: completely changing people's whole way of looking at stuff, you know, 187 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 1: more so than just necessarily reforming an institution. Yeah. No, 188 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: I think I think the idea of like even you know, 189 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 1: defunding the police or police abolition requires us to stop 190 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: outsourcing all of our problems to the state. It asks 191 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 1: a lot more of us as private citizens to you know, 192 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 1: be a and like surveying the conditions on our street, 193 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 1: not just for crime to occur, but crime prevenge strategies 194 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 1: and making sure our neighbors have everything they need. I mean, 195 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 1: we could talk about expanding the quote unquote welfare state 196 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 1: as a way to deter crime, but ultimately it does 197 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 1: do think it comes down to like mutual aid and 198 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 1: like mutual accountability on the community level, and like the 199 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 1: responsibility that requires of us. People are like I don't 200 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 1: have to do all that ship. I want to make 201 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:28,719 Speaker 1: sure my neighbors got fucking cheerios and fucking milk. Well, 202 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: I mean, the thing is like a and this is 203 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 1: I guess it's kind of where, you know, not growing 204 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 1: up here kind of comes into perspective for me. But 205 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 1: it's just like, I don't know how if you know 206 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 1: that there are people who are hungry, Like, how do 207 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 1: you walk around it like thinking that there shouldn't or 208 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: won't be crime of some sort, Like you think people 209 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:53,319 Speaker 1: are just gonna like starve. I mean, I know it's 210 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 1: all relative, like everybody's definition of what they're but if 211 00:11:56,480 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 1: you we all live this life in America knowing that 212 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:04,199 Speaker 1: it's unfair and it's unequal and a lot of people 213 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:07,199 Speaker 1: have it harder than other people, we're gonna what do 214 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:08,679 Speaker 1: you think is going to happen? I'm not saying that 215 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 1: that's right, I'm saying, what do you expect to happen? 216 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 1: You know? Yeah, I was helping organized folks UM as 217 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:17,680 Speaker 1: a part of the National uh Strike for Black Lives 218 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 1: where SCIU and Teamsters and the Poor People's Campaign and 219 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:26,080 Speaker 1: other UM allied organizations across the country were encouraging workers 220 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:28,359 Speaker 1: to walk off the job. And how I was explaining, 221 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 1: like what this what relevance. This held for the moment 222 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:36,959 Speaker 1: that we're in is that economic justice is racial justice. 223 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 1: In a world without crimes of survival, are reliance upon 224 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 1: institution of policing is greatly decreased, some might even argue eliminated. 225 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: And so when we address those economic justice issues of 226 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 1: people having those foundation foundational needs met UM so that 227 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:58,599 Speaker 1: they can thrive UM through you know, living wage employment 228 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 1: or through strong social safe being, it that helps them 229 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 1: gain UM and keep meaningful employment, we won't have to 230 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 1: we won't have to worry about you know, homies down 231 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 1: here fighting outside the homeless shelter. But anyway, I'm sorry, 232 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:16,559 Speaker 1: I got a little bit off time. UM. So police 233 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 1: have only existed in America for like a little little 234 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:24,440 Speaker 1: shy have two hundred years. UM. One reason that they 235 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 1: first emerged was that cities were growing and with the 236 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 1: US no longer being a collection of small cities and 237 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 1: rural towns, with urbanization occurring at a pace that made 238 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 1: the watching constable systems no longer good enough to stop 239 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: this disorder. They had to transition to something more centralized. 240 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 1: And we'll come back to that word disorder, but yeah, 241 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 1: the general public disorder was more visible and less easily 242 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:52,440 Speaker 1: controlled in growing urban centers than it had been in 243 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 1: rural areas. Increasing crime and visible vice, you know, public 244 00:13:56,440 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 1: drunkenness and sometimes prostitution. Mob violence, for particularly violence directed 245 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 1: at immigrants and African Americans took place frequently, um, but 246 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 1: there is no evidence that there was like a crime 247 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 1: way back then that made them say, hey, we gotta 248 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: start a centralized police force. Like that's not really what 249 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 1: was going on. Yeah, I think the keyword here is 250 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 1: visible vice because I think Alexandria Cossio Cortez in a 251 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 1: recent interview was talking about how what folks and this 252 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: has been contested by abolitionists, but like we was talking 253 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 1: about how folks uh need to think of defunding the 254 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 1: police as advocating for black communities to be police like 255 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 1: white communities. Are white communities where visible vice is not 256 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 1: so much of an issue. People aren' drinking down the 257 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: street corner or standing out, you know, up by the 258 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 1: stop sign hooking, because they're doing these things behind closed 259 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 1: doors on private properties, whether or not seen, and thus 260 00:14:53,360 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 1: it kind of keeps this image of public order. Kentucky 261 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 1: University criminologist Gary Potter and his paper The History of 262 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 1: policing in the United States stated more than crime. Modern 263 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 1: police forces in the United States emerges a response to 264 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 1: quote disorder will constitute social and public order depends largely 265 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 1: on who is defining those terms, and in the cities 266 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 1: of the nineteenth century America, they were defined by mercantile interests, 267 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 1: whose taxes and political influence supported the development of bureaucratic 268 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: policing institutions. These economic interests had a greater interest in 269 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 1: social control than crime control. Private and for profit policing 270 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 1: was to disorganize and to crime specific inform To fulfill 271 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 1: these needs, the emerging commercial elites needed a mechanism to 272 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: ensure a stable and orderly workforce, a stable and orderly 273 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 1: environment to conductive business, and the maintenance of what they 274 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: referred to as the collective good. These mercantile interests also 275 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 1: wanted to divest themselves the cost of protecting their own enterprises, 276 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 1: transferring those costs from the private sector to the state. Hey, 277 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 1: so we got a special guest today, Oh yes we do. 278 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 1: Who is that? We have? Jason Emmanuel Petty, or known 279 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 1: to the world as a propaganda games the same amount 280 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 1: of jail time. It's eighteen of cocaine, but eight say 281 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 1: the same thing. It's crooked, stay eat known kind and 282 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 1: must worsnd instead of celebrating shine and hip hop and 283 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 1: spoken word artists and poet from Los Angeles, California and 284 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 1: the co host up behind the police and politics prop 285 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 1: How are you today? I'm all right man. You know 286 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 1: you gave a full government though YO said, I didn't 287 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 1: need to put the fans just watching. You know what 288 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: I'm talking about. I don't really talking about the police. No, 289 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 1: we're good. I'm all good man. We uh we um 290 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 1: on a personal note, or like the house we're renting, 291 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 1: we're looking into buying, so which is super dope, which 292 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 1: means now I have an office uh over here like 293 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 1: not recording in my bedroom with my like daughter taking 294 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:07,439 Speaker 1: her nap right on the other side of the wall. 295 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Yeah, So tell us a 296 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 1: little bit about yourself for folks that may not be 297 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 1: familiar with their work. Yeah, yeah, How would you describe yourself? 298 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:21,120 Speaker 1: Man um Almo Tall drink of walk Nona. I am 299 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:24,399 Speaker 1: south central Los Angeles, you know, born and bred in 300 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 1: l A, moved around the cornucopia Los Angeles. Um, I 301 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:33,360 Speaker 1: don't know how familiar listeners are. But like Sand Valley, Whittier, 302 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 1: Long Beach, I've lived in pretty much all of it. 303 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 1: Lived in i E. For a little bit. Um My 304 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:43,120 Speaker 1: Uh moms from d C. Dad from Texas. My father 305 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 1: was a black panther. Uh. Fell in love with hip 306 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 1: hop at in Lamart Park in l A. And Um. 307 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 1: I went to college for illustration and in their cultural studies, 308 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:56,879 Speaker 1: and then I went on to get a masters in 309 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:00,119 Speaker 1: social science. I taught history for six years. Um. And 310 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:02,440 Speaker 1: I was just a hardcore battle rapper the whole time, 311 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 1: you know. And then uh, yeah, you know what I'm saying. 312 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 1: Fell in love of poetry in college. Um and in 313 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 1: our story right right yeah, and uh and just kind 314 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 1: of been like you know, there was a moment where 315 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:16,879 Speaker 1: I had to make a decision as far as like 316 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 1: was I gonna continue in the education to be a 317 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:23,400 Speaker 1: teacher or like you know, those opportunities were arising. It's 318 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 1: kind of funny story, I don't I know, ya ya 319 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 1: yr listeners to appreciate it. Like I was crew I 320 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 1: was with was Was We produced album on Caress one, um, 321 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 1: and he was going to take us on tour. So 322 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: I was like, yo, I'm out this job. The teachers 323 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 1: didn't take me to shot and uh and it wasn't 324 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 1: my shot, but but it was an amazing experience. You 325 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying that I'll never forget it. But 326 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 1: either way, that was Like I I left the classroom 327 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:00,639 Speaker 1: around that time and then, um, yeah, I kind of 328 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 1: been doing music and poetry and sort of activism. I 329 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 1: come from my activist family. Like I said, my father 330 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 1: was a Panthers, So I kind of came from that 331 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 1: already and just kind of been doing that of a since. 332 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 1: So what so what was his involvement with the Panthers, 333 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 1: Like was he an organizer? Was he? Like? Yeah, so 334 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:16,120 Speaker 1: I know they did a lot of different kinds of things, 335 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: Like yeah, so Pops was after school tutor and he 336 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 1: was doing like some of the some of the the bussing, 337 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:29,399 Speaker 1: the transfers things. My father was at the watch chapter 338 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:31,159 Speaker 1: forty one and Central down here and the one that 339 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: went the CIA bottle, the one with one of the 340 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:37,680 Speaker 1: ones that c Yeah, so yeah, he was a part 341 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:41,640 Speaker 1: of He was a part of the the after school tutoring. 342 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 1: My dad. You know, after he came back from Vietnam, 343 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:48,439 Speaker 1: he was a went on to to go to u C. 344 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 1: L A And get his Afro Studies degree in sociology. 345 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 1: So my father was very intelligent man. And UM, so 346 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 1: his big thing was like education is the way, so 347 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: he that was that was that was where he participated 348 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:03,359 Speaker 1: the most, was in the after school tutoring. And how 349 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:07,159 Speaker 1: has like the how have those activist roots influenced the 350 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:10,160 Speaker 1: way you move in the world. Man, It's it's like 351 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:14,440 Speaker 1: it's hard to not see the need and it's hard 352 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 1: to not see you know, sort of a a a 353 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:23,880 Speaker 1: much more sort of intersectional kind of like a very 354 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 1: disinclusive understanding of what you know, interlocking systems of the 355 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:33,640 Speaker 1: justice look like how to have advocacy across different borders 356 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 1: and different lines. Um. Because of again the way that 357 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 1: like I was taught to even understand power and how 358 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 1: you interface with power and how power uh interfaces with 359 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 1: with the population. You know, it was just because of 360 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 1: that sort of like like I said, like very well 361 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:57,679 Speaker 1: read activism that like my father had. It's like you 362 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 1: just you were you were able to see it every everywhere. 363 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,880 Speaker 1: And then secondly, just being from l A, like I 364 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 1: was on the east side of South Central. I know 365 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 1: it's a lot of directions, but um, on the east 366 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 1: side of South Central. It bordered the Latino community, so 367 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 1: we're we're butting up against UM. Like the next street 368 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:18,119 Speaker 1: over was an area called Huntington Park, which I mean 369 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:20,119 Speaker 1: there's no signs in English in Huntington Park, you know 370 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:23,239 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So like I I lived on this 371 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 1: like borderlands to where I just I understood the immigrant 372 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 1: the you know, specifically the Mexican American immigrant UM experience 373 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 1: UM and could just see so many like I'm like 374 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 1: they that's the same ship, Like they're doing that, you 375 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So it was just hard to 376 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 1: not It's hard to not notice it. And realized that 377 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 1: like a lot of our work where we was doing 378 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 1: and what my father was doing for the black community 379 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 1: was like yo, like y'all could do this too, Like 380 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 1: y'all need this to you know what I'm saying. And UM. 381 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:57,239 Speaker 1: So that like sort of intersectional understanding I think kind 382 00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 1: of came from having that lord like activists like father, 383 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Are there any like areas where 384 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:05,920 Speaker 1: you're hip hop and your activism like intersect I mean 385 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: the whole time, Like that's the funny part. Like again, 386 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 1: you know, I the wing of hip hop I fell 387 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:15,639 Speaker 1: in love with. And I know that's another similarity because 388 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 1: I saw the song as y'all chose for this episode. 389 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 1: It's like, you know, I grew up going to you know, Uh, 390 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 1: I don't know how familiar you are with just like 391 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 1: the l A Rap scene as far as like good Life, Yeah, yeah, yeah, 392 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 1: I grew up going to that. Like I was too young, 393 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 1: So I was too young for the Good Life. I 394 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 1: snuck in snug right, but it was a healthfu cafe. 395 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:41,239 Speaker 1: So it's like, I mean, so what for people who 396 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 1: might not know what that is? What is? What is? 397 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,399 Speaker 1: So the Good Life wasn't wasn't open mic sort of 398 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,679 Speaker 1: like workshop that evolved into sort of this battle scene, 399 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 1: but you couldn't curse. Yeah, it was very clean. You 400 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:56,639 Speaker 1: couldn't curse because of uh sort of our our our 401 00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,400 Speaker 1: kind of patriarch of that area, like the Mert Park 402 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 1: is the sort of like l A's Harlem, so a 403 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,159 Speaker 1: lot of like activism, old jazz, like a lot of 404 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,680 Speaker 1: the sixties stuff. It was right on Cranshaw Boulevard again, 405 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 1: which is like Black Renaissance areas of Los Angeles. Um, 406 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 1: so it was already a community that was like there, 407 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 1: our elders were activists, Our elders were like you know, 408 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 1: were these So if hip hop was going to be 409 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:27,440 Speaker 1: born there, it was gonna look like where we were 410 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 1: born in, you know what I'm saying. So freestyle fellowship. 411 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 1: So these were like my heroes, you know, um yeah, 412 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 1: so yeah, so freestyle fellowship. Like I mean I saw, 413 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 1: you know, I saw, I saw. I remember seeing Corrupt 414 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 1: and Snow you know what I'm saying. I remember seeing 415 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 1: these guys come to these open mics. I remember people 416 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,879 Speaker 1: flying in. I the Juice and Supernatural battle like that 417 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 1: was was that blow? You know what I'm saying. So like, yeah, 418 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 1: so we saw these things. I remember, you know a 419 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 1: Unity which was over on the American Miracle Montains do 420 00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:58,640 Speaker 1: with all these like l A deep cuts, but like, 421 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 1: uh that's where are when when M battled this guy 422 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,359 Speaker 1: named Otherwise you know, for this for this event that 423 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 1: like Drey saw him at like and lost, you know, 424 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 1: like that particular battle he lost, you know what I'm saying. 425 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:16,119 Speaker 1: But like you know, the Rhyme Fest battles, like all 426 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 1: these different like moments, all these people were all already 427 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 1: their hip hop was already an active protests so if 428 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,159 Speaker 1: that's sort of the primortal suit that I kind of 429 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 1: came from. It was like this is what I knew. 430 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:32,399 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, this is this is what 431 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 1: I understood. I you know, we were in l A. 432 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 1: But like, like if you saw the good documentary, like 433 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 1: we all weren't we all weren't defunk, Like we all weren't. 434 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,639 Speaker 1: We all came from everybody there, there's a bunch of 435 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,640 Speaker 1: different flavors. Yeah, you know, we all came from ganghoods, 436 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 1: but like we didn't all we weren't all gangs. So yeah, 437 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:53,199 Speaker 1: so that's kind of like that stuff really saying to me. 438 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:58,639 Speaker 1: So transitioning, Like, so you've been a hip hop artist 439 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 1: and an activist for all these years. How did you 440 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 1: get into the podcast game? Because you're the you know, 441 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 1: you're the coast of the Behind the Police podcast. Also 442 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 1: you got the Hood Politics podcast. So how did you 443 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 1: get into that? Dude? I So I started as I 444 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,399 Speaker 1: started doing music, and you know, and the type of 445 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 1: music I was doing, I was getting a lot of 446 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:20,399 Speaker 1: like speaking opportunities, um, and then sort of you know, 447 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,639 Speaker 1: I wrote a few op eds for you know, a 448 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 1: couple couple of outlets and people started saying, Yo, you 449 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,200 Speaker 1: should do a podcast, you do a podcast podcast. And 450 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 1: at the time, I was like, man, about what man, Like, 451 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying? Like I don't. I don't 452 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 1: know what you want me to say. You know what 453 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 1: I'm saying it? Who's really going to tune in weekly? 454 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 1: You feel me? And at the time, like when it 455 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 1: first started, I was like, well, I'm an artist. I 456 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 1: don't have you know what I'm saying, Like, you know, 457 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,479 Speaker 1: you have these like lofty ideas of not understanding like 458 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 1: multiple streams of income all this stuff and just what 459 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:57,719 Speaker 1: a what abroad like fully developed artists you could be. 460 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,919 Speaker 1: So anyway, I got offered a show that me and 461 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 1: my wife actually started doing. It was called The Red 462 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:06,119 Speaker 1: Couch Podcast UM, which was where it originally started. I 463 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: was offered by this this magazine called Relevant. They were 464 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,919 Speaker 1: launching this like whole podcast network. They wanted me to 465 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 1: be like the flagship UM, and so they were the 466 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 1: ones that were like, you can write, you can do 467 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 1: whatever you want, and I didn't. I was like, I 468 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 1: don't uh about what you know what I'm saying? So 469 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 1: so so memo, I just kind of made up the podcast. 470 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,200 Speaker 1: You know what, I'm saying, and then out of that 471 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,879 Speaker 1: groo hood politics, because that pub politics at first was 472 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:41,359 Speaker 1: just a section in the broader. It was just one 473 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 1: of the bits in Red Couch, you know what I'm saying, 474 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 1: And then it kind of took its own life and 475 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,919 Speaker 1: and was just people were tuning in just for the 476 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 1: first twenty minutes of the show, you know, just for 477 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 1: the red just for the hood politics section, and then 478 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 1: tune it out. And then other people were tuning in 479 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:00,439 Speaker 1: for the last forty because they just wanted to hear 480 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: my wife talk because she's brilliant in her own right, 481 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,440 Speaker 1: you know actually and more right, she's PhD and a 482 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 1: policy and social context is brilliant. This is gonna be 483 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,920 Speaker 1: the hardest thing you do in your life. I'm surprised 484 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:21,879 Speaker 1: our marriage last. Yes, uh and she almost is funny 485 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 1: at the end of that, she almost didn't want to 486 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 1: like go through the like the ceremony and like walking 487 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 1: across the stage. I was like, girl, I'm walking across 488 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 1: if you're not gonna walk an walk like that was 489 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 1: the hardest thing. I can't believe it anyway. Uh so yeah, 490 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 1: so so, so it became like for me, podcasting was 491 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 1: just like this like creative, uh way to get ideas 492 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 1: out that I didn't have sort of like my identity 493 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,880 Speaker 1: so wrapped up into like I did with like hip 494 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 1: hop poetry. Like so it was like this could just 495 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 1: be I could just like the pressure was off, you 496 00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, because I just feel like I didn't. 497 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,200 Speaker 1: I didn't. This wasn't this wasn't the air I breathe. 498 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 1: And then it kind of like took on a life 499 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 1: of its own and now it's like, dude, I really 500 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 1: love like podcasting. And then Behind the Police thing was 501 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 1: like legit just a d M. Like, yes, I was 502 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 1: following you know Robert show. His show was just you know, 503 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: I don't even familiar with the show show Behind the Bastards. 504 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:25,920 Speaker 1: I was just yeah, I was just a fan of it, 505 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 1: and so I started following him and we started like 506 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:30,879 Speaker 1: chopping it up back and forth, cracking jokes, and then 507 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 1: I did a show on the Panthers with him, like 508 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 1: he again direct messaged me like hey, because he said 509 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:36,880 Speaker 1: he was working on one, and I was like, oh yeah, 510 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:38,959 Speaker 1: my dad was a panther. So then he direct messaged 511 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 1: me and was like, hey, you want to be on 512 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 1: the show, And I was like, yeah, well let me 513 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 1: so I imped it that called my pops to be like, 514 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 1: let me make sure I have like my timeline. I 515 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 1: don't want to make a fool of myself on this thing. So, um, 516 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 1: so we did the show. The show, like you know, 517 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 1: the numbers were pretty good. And then he had later 518 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 1: on had this idea about the behind the Police thing 519 00:28:58,280 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 1: and was like, eight, do you want to like calls 520 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 1: with this? This would mean it was legit, just a 521 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 1: direct message. It's good to know that, like you can 522 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 1: still like that could happen anyone with the social media, 523 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 1: democratized information, democratized relationship making like it happen anybody. But yeah, 524 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 1: talk to us a little bit about, um some topics 525 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,239 Speaker 1: that come up on her politics, and then we'll talk 526 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 1: a little bit about some of the highlights for you 527 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 1: from being a part of Behind the Police. Yeah. So 528 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 1: her politics is it's based on a really basic premise 529 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 1: of if if you survived inner city in any city 530 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 1: in America, if you understood gang life, you understand geo politics. Hell, 531 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 1: if you if you survived the eighth grade, you know 532 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, you understand geo politics. Because I honestly 533 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 1: believe politics is just gangbanging in nice suits, like it's 534 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 1: it's the same. So what I wanted to do with 535 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 1: this pod is take whether it's like hot takes from 536 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 1: just like the current events of the current zygeist, or 537 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 1: it's like, you know, continual threads, like you know, whether 538 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:16,520 Speaker 1: it's America's like involvement in the Middle East or what 539 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 1: what the hell of colde War is? Or how do 540 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 1: you explain sanctions and tearraffs, and like all these things 541 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 1: that um, you know, are are are have its own language, 542 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,719 Speaker 1: have its own like you know, vocabulary and stuff like that, 543 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,360 Speaker 1: and like people like you and me are oftentimes, especially 544 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 1: if you ain't got no like you know, self fixes 545 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 1: at the Indian names, you ain't gonna like degrees and nothing, 546 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,400 Speaker 1: you kind of feel like these people are like smarter 547 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:41,959 Speaker 1: than you, like you know what I'm saying, Like you 548 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,239 Speaker 1: can't like I'm not welcoming to this conversation. And what 549 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 1: I wanted to do with this pod was be like, actually, 550 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 1: you understand this stuff very well. You know, you've been 551 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:53,480 Speaker 1: living at your whole your whole life, especially from the hood. 552 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 1: So I say all that. For example, let's say we 553 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 1: were talking about Let's just say we were talking about sanctions, right, Um, 554 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 1: so China's you know, trying to I don't know you 555 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 1: was losing the tariff war and we was gonna sanction 556 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 1: uh China, China, this YadA YadA, like what was going 557 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 1: through all this stuff? And just might say, well, what 558 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,120 Speaker 1: the hell is the sanction? And I'm like, well, it 559 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 1: kind of works like this. Let's just say, um, you, 560 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 1: Mariah are the plug, right, so you got all the weight, 561 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 1: It's all in your hands, right, And um, you know, 562 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:40,720 Speaker 1: I don't know your little cousin Pookie, right, he lived 563 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:44,120 Speaker 1: on the other side of town, and he wants to 564 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 1: sell your weight, right well, and so so Fookie over 565 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 1: there with the Mariah with the Mariah Waite, right. But 566 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 1: Pooky's neighborhood gets to be like wait wait, wait, wait, 567 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 1: wait wait wait, hold up, we produce our own weight. 568 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 1: You're not allowed to. We got our own plug over here. 569 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,200 Speaker 1: You can't just be selling. You can just be selling 570 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 1: to my neighborhood like this, right. And if you are, 571 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 1: then like I'm I'm feeling like I'm attached you for this, 572 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 1: Like then I need for you need to run back 573 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 1: to this block. If you're finna sell over here. Right, 574 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 1: So at the end of the day, your cousin trying 575 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 1: to sell your weed in his neighborhood, but his neighborhood 576 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:26,320 Speaker 1: not allowing him to sell unless he pays, you know 577 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So I'm like, that's like, so you 578 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 1: know that's already know this stuff. You already know how 579 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 1: this works. It's just new vocals and they dress it 580 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 1: up in language that's unfamiliar, but the processes themselves are 581 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 1: incredibly familiar. Already you already know it. Right. We all 582 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,400 Speaker 1: know a Kim jongle. We all know one. We're all knowing. 583 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 1: It's it's your little It's it's a little brother who's 584 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 1: just mad that his big brother always gets to shine. 585 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 1: And you can't never say nothing to him because he's 586 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 1: he's always ready to scrap. And if just in the 587 00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 1: way to handle that dude, and you know he ain't 588 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,080 Speaker 1: gonna throw the punch, You're not gonna really do. He 589 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,240 Speaker 1: just talking a lot of ships, just yell at the time. 590 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,680 Speaker 1: He just always talking ship. So you're just like, yo, 591 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 1: the best way to deal with him is to be like, Okay, 592 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,800 Speaker 1: it's your world, big it's your world. Dog. No nobody 593 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,440 Speaker 1: wanted with you you good? You good? Can you just 594 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,959 Speaker 1: chill though? Right? And then and then and then his 595 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 1: his big brother, which would be South Korea, being like, y'all, 596 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:24,480 Speaker 1: can't don't rile this one because I gotta go home. 597 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 1: And at some point and at some point if he 598 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,000 Speaker 1: does lose it, he's gonna listen on me first, he's 599 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,719 Speaker 1: gonna lose it on me, So y'all need to chill. Like, 600 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,040 Speaker 1: so I had a question. So it's it's funny that, 601 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,960 Speaker 1: like you draw that comparison between geo politics and hood 602 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 1: politics and things. So do you see any you know, 603 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,880 Speaker 1: people always talk about how the police are the biggest gang. 604 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 1: There's a couple of songs that we're gonna be talking 605 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,320 Speaker 1: about where you know, people make reference to that. So 606 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 1: like what's your opinion on like just that parallel or 607 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,920 Speaker 1: that analogy between like police and them just being another 608 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,800 Speaker 1: gang on the street like the other game. I mean, 609 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:05,800 Speaker 1: it couldn't be more accurate, like especially when you go 610 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,239 Speaker 1: into like the stuff like just the history of the police. 611 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:13,080 Speaker 1: I just don't know, I have no I can't see 612 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:18,279 Speaker 1: any distinction from a historical perspective, and then also from 613 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 1: my own experience, it's like, Okay, if I'm gonna talk 614 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:27,920 Speaker 1: about just my own experience in inner city Los Angeles. 615 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:33,240 Speaker 1: If i turned down a particular street and I'm walking 616 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,759 Speaker 1: home with my new like no, my new Jordan's new 617 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,279 Speaker 1: Air Force ones, and I turn a corner coming home 618 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 1: from school with a backpack, and I catch some boys 619 00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,799 Speaker 1: in blue. Whether they crips or cops, it don't make 620 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,920 Speaker 1: no difference, right if I if they come around that corner, 621 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,680 Speaker 1: one of them is gonna flag me down, like hey, hey, hey, hey, Hony, 622 00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:57,839 Speaker 1: where are you going? You know, it's like here we go. 623 00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,040 Speaker 1: I'm going who who, Where you stay at? Where your 624 00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,400 Speaker 1: where your grandma stay? What you're doing on the street? Right? Um, 625 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:08,400 Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just cutting through the that's my my 626 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:10,880 Speaker 1: family bank, this stay from there? Yea, yeah, You're like, 627 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:12,440 Speaker 1: oh where were you from? You know what I'm saying 628 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,800 Speaker 1: that you started going to ask me all these questions interrogations, 629 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:18,320 Speaker 1: and and my only way out of this is either 630 00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 1: I'm gonna catch a fade or I have to hand 631 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:26,680 Speaker 1: over equipment. Right So I'm like, or I'm gonna be 632 00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:28,960 Speaker 1: in trouble. I'm like, Okay, that's that's street loss, Like 633 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,839 Speaker 1: all right, this what's gonna happen. I'm gonna henna, right, 634 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:33,880 Speaker 1: I'm here, gonna run my backpack and run my shoes 635 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 1: or I have to be like I'll die for this. 636 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,160 Speaker 1: And I said always, I have to answer this dude, like, listen, 637 00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:42,600 Speaker 1: I would die for my backpack. You know it's stupid, 638 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,880 Speaker 1: but it's like that's those were the rules. So if 639 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,400 Speaker 1: I come around the corner and it's the cops, who hey, 640 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:49,920 Speaker 1: hey sir, how are you doing young man? What do 641 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,600 Speaker 1: you we? Are you doing here? Really really can't see 642 00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:54,719 Speaker 1: your idea? Where do you live? I'm like, I'm having 643 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:58,239 Speaker 1: the same scenario. Where'd you get those shoes? Yeah? Did 644 00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,080 Speaker 1: you do? You steal them? Maybe somebody got them? And 645 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,040 Speaker 1: I'm like what I even asked me, like no, my 646 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:06,120 Speaker 1: both my parents were right, Okay, well you've seen the 647 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:11,400 Speaker 1: fifth description of someone that was causing trouble on this street. 648 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,799 Speaker 1: So I need to see what's in your backpack? What's this? 649 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,640 Speaker 1: And I'm like, it's the same scenario. You are gonna 650 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,040 Speaker 1: go through my stuff. I'm about to get search and 651 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:23,120 Speaker 1: if I don't keep it cool, I'm gonna catch a faith. 652 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,880 Speaker 1: So I'm like, I just don't and y'all not gonna 653 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,040 Speaker 1: say nothing about each other even if somebody is out 654 00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:32,120 Speaker 1: of line, because I mean, I mean, the thing I 655 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,440 Speaker 1: was kind of difference is that the police police the 656 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:40,840 Speaker 1: gang supposedly, but nobody polices the police. Nobody policing him. Listen, 657 00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,800 Speaker 1: listen on one of the episodes at My Homeboy, Bamboo, 658 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,319 Speaker 1: he's part of Soule Assassins, even famili but like, yeah, 659 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:51,040 Speaker 1: so yeah, so Bamboo was talking about like, man, there 660 00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,719 Speaker 1: are times that like and I was asking him, like 661 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:55,520 Speaker 1: if he had any like if you remember any of 662 00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:57,319 Speaker 1: the little hot heads in his in his life, in 663 00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,719 Speaker 1: his hood that would get everybody in trouble, and he 664 00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:03,600 Speaker 1: was like, yes, it was my own cousin. So like, 665 00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:05,880 Speaker 1: you know, you all sitting you all sitting down, you 666 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,440 Speaker 1: are sitting down like mone of your own business. And 667 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,399 Speaker 1: then this fool starts mouthing off, which is basically which 668 00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:15,200 Speaker 1: is basically what happened with with um, with us shooting Sulamani. Right, 669 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:19,759 Speaker 1: It's like somebody started mouthing off, right, you know. And 670 00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:21,520 Speaker 1: so he was like, yeah, that's what happened. Somebody starts 671 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,360 Speaker 1: mouthing off, The homeboy starts mouthing off, and then he 672 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,960 Speaker 1: turns back at you and he's like, hey, hey, we 673 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,319 Speaker 1: got beef with these fools, like y'all the enemy being 674 00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:29,879 Speaker 1: a ride and it's like, no, no, no no, no, no, no, 675 00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:34,640 Speaker 1: no way, but we have who is we fool? Like 676 00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,360 Speaker 1: you you're the one that started stacking on this fool, 677 00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,080 Speaker 1: just like you're I'm sitting here in the taco you 678 00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,440 Speaker 1: were banging on homie. So now, but you know what, 679 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,439 Speaker 1: Am I gonna say that in public? Hell no, I'm 680 00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,560 Speaker 1: gonna go ride like because that's my squad. And that's 681 00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:53,520 Speaker 1: so like you have that same exact mentality, the same rules, 682 00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,360 Speaker 1: even even though you see a guy that you're like, 683 00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,279 Speaker 1: this man is completely out of line. I mean, that's 684 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,359 Speaker 1: what we're watching in the news right now. We all 685 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,640 Speaker 1: know killers of Brianna Taylor, we all know the killers 686 00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,120 Speaker 1: of Joyce. Everybody there know they were out of line. 687 00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:11,040 Speaker 1: Right anybody's gonna say nothing because it's good ship. You're 688 00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:14,480 Speaker 1: not gonna say nothing, I know because I wouldn't if 689 00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,000 Speaker 1: this was my hood. I'm not. I mean, I'm gonna 690 00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,840 Speaker 1: checking when we get you, feel me, But I'm not 691 00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:23,160 Speaker 1: gonna check him in public. And that's what I feel like. 692 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:27,839 Speaker 1: Cops don't really understand that like they would if if 693 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:31,840 Speaker 1: they would just check themselves, they probably would be given 694 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,719 Speaker 1: a lot more benefit of doubt about stuff. It would 695 00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,960 Speaker 1: be so much easier for the just on their on 696 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:42,600 Speaker 1: their behalf, Like this isn't like on the yes, when 697 00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:44,239 Speaker 1: I think about, they were to come up with like 698 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,880 Speaker 1: a rule amongst themselves and they're like, alright, look guys, 699 00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:52,160 Speaker 1: all right, for every tenth person, for every tenth unarmed 700 00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:54,640 Speaker 1: person that gets shot, we're all going to agree that 701 00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,040 Speaker 1: that one's bad. If they would, even if they would 702 00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:04,719 Speaker 1: even give that ground system, few people wouldn't. It wouldn't right. 703 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,480 Speaker 1: I think about, Like I think about again, Like the 704 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:11,040 Speaker 1: street part is like at some point one of the 705 00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:14,399 Speaker 1: shot callers are gonna come from jail, right, so one 706 00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,600 Speaker 1: of the ogs are gonna be like, all right, Parliament, 707 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:18,160 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And I know that's what 708 00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,399 Speaker 1: happened in l A. That's why drive by stopped. It's 709 00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:26,280 Speaker 1: because the O g s made the call from prison 710 00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,160 Speaker 1: like hey, this is and I hate to say it, 711 00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,040 Speaker 1: but they were like, look, this is just not g 712 00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:32,400 Speaker 1: Like you can't just what are you doing? Like you 713 00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,040 Speaker 1: can't just draw you hitting innocent people like this is ridiculous, 714 00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,560 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And that was because the 715 00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,040 Speaker 1: gang checked the game, like you know what I'm saying, like, 716 00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:42,960 Speaker 1: and if you have somebody in your hood that's mouthing 717 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,560 Speaker 1: off like like you know, Bamboo's cousin, there was always 718 00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,600 Speaker 1: a big homie I could call and be like, Hey, 719 00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:52,839 Speaker 1: I don't know what's up with this fool like. Look, 720 00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:56,359 Speaker 1: I mean we we handled it like we went down there. 721 00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:58,880 Speaker 1: We did we had to do, but like this fool 722 00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:00,960 Speaker 1: like he set us like we didn't. We didn't have 723 00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,840 Speaker 1: to have this problem because guy was like hollering and 724 00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:05,759 Speaker 1: then that dude's gonna check him and be like all right, 725 00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,000 Speaker 1: tell uncle, you know what I'm saying. So like like 726 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:11,719 Speaker 1: like you said, like there is it's weird, but there 727 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:16,160 Speaker 1: is an infrastructure in some way with just like street it. Yeah. 728 00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:19,360 Speaker 1: So I learned a lot from behind the police about 729 00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,600 Speaker 1: how police unions kind of operate to shield folks from 730 00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:26,440 Speaker 1: accountability and keep folks on the job, to sort of 731 00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,120 Speaker 1: close the ranks up in these ways. Did was there 732 00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:32,799 Speaker 1: anything else from you're working on that show that really 733 00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:34,560 Speaker 1: stuck out to you as like a highlight of like 734 00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:36,600 Speaker 1: a piece of history, you learned about the way police 735 00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:40,839 Speaker 1: operate that was new to you. Yeah. I think that, 736 00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:46,319 Speaker 1: like the things that really stuck out to me was 737 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:50,040 Speaker 1: like the difference between what was happening in the North 738 00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:53,120 Speaker 1: and what was happening in the South, and then how 739 00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,719 Speaker 1: they were different, but how they were interconnected, like you know, 740 00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:59,400 Speaker 1: the the the north, you know, was what the research 741 00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,520 Speaker 1: that we saw was, like it was really about like 742 00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,880 Speaker 1: protecting sort of like property, right, Yeah, the first police 743 00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:08,000 Speaker 1: departments came about to break up like labor strikes and 744 00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:11,680 Speaker 1: to like capital, and they were operating something in the 745 00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,920 Speaker 1: South with slave patrols that turned into police departments protecting 746 00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:18,160 Speaker 1: capital in a different way. Yeah, exactly, so that the 747 00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:24,719 Speaker 1: capital was just humans. Yeah, you know. Uh so, so 748 00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:29,920 Speaker 1: I think that like that sort of like differences and 749 00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:33,719 Speaker 1: sort of like the mind bender. It was when you 750 00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:40,759 Speaker 1: had sort of like labor unions striking and then the 751 00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:48,960 Speaker 1: company's hiring free black people. That's like what do you 752 00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:52,360 Speaker 1: like saying, Well, I don't know what to say about 753 00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:55,759 Speaker 1: this one, because because and and then and it's like 754 00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:59,400 Speaker 1: how that stoked so many like even even a divide 755 00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,000 Speaker 1: even for are between poor people in general. You know 756 00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,600 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, but like and and it's like, dude, 757 00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:06,879 Speaker 1: how do you how do you untangle that? Like these 758 00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,200 Speaker 1: are these are free slaves that are just like, yo, 759 00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:11,239 Speaker 1: you mean to tell me you're gonna pay me to work? 760 00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,640 Speaker 1: That sounds great, you know what I'm saying, And and 761 00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,560 Speaker 1: being like and there and from their perspective, not even 762 00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:21,360 Speaker 1: understanding why anyone would possibly strike, like why would you 763 00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:23,879 Speaker 1: why would you do that? You know what I mean? 764 00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:28,160 Speaker 1: And um, just that that jugs the position. Just that 765 00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,720 Speaker 1: moment in history I think was like the most like 766 00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:33,560 Speaker 1: the one I didn't know it. And then too it 767 00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:35,760 Speaker 1: was just like dude, like you you can't, Like history 768 00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:42,320 Speaker 1: is just so man, girls, it's so entangled and twisted. Yeah. 769 00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,960 Speaker 1: I had been aware of the way that like the 770 00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,880 Speaker 1: white and black working class have been kind of pitted 771 00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,680 Speaker 1: against each other to protect capital and how that is 772 00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:54,000 Speaker 1: like kind of hampered label labor struggles, particularly in the 773 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,480 Speaker 1: South historically, but I did not know about that particular 774 00:42:56,560 --> 00:43:01,480 Speaker 1: piece of the history. Yeah, am, people sort of like 775 00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:06,560 Speaker 1: came and undermine the moment. She's you know, and it's 776 00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,920 Speaker 1: like I just like, you can't. It just reminded me 777 00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,200 Speaker 1: of like, I know, it's trivial. But it just reminds 778 00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:17,879 Speaker 1: me of like the the Breaking Bad series to where 779 00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:21,000 Speaker 1: you're like, I don't know whose side I'm on, you 780 00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:23,040 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like when you're whether it's like 781 00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:28,319 Speaker 1: Walter or Skyler, I'm like, I, damn, I don't know 782 00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,359 Speaker 1: because I I don't know, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, 783 00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:35,160 Speaker 1: So it really like it really it really threw that section, 784 00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:37,080 Speaker 1: like really threw me for a loop. And then it 785 00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:40,239 Speaker 1: was like, but one of the takeaways I really appreciated 786 00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:45,200 Speaker 1: about this event is like or that that series is 787 00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:49,040 Speaker 1: that all of those things that poor people or people 788 00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:52,600 Speaker 1: of color and specifically black people have kind of just 789 00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:57,879 Speaker 1: known but had no receipts for. I feel like, yo, 790 00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:02,600 Speaker 1: you're not crazy. You know what I'm saying. Here here 791 00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:06,960 Speaker 1: is eight hours of receiving you know that. Like so 792 00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:11,080 Speaker 1: I just I appreciate like Robert, like Robert was like, man, 793 00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:12,719 Speaker 1: I mean he did the lord's work for this one, 794 00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,920 Speaker 1: like he did he did I mean the the lifting 795 00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,839 Speaker 1: of the receipt of the of the research, you know, 796 00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:23,239 Speaker 1: and um yeah, I just get like that feeling of 797 00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,840 Speaker 1: being like, listen, we have something we've given to the 798 00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:30,480 Speaker 1: culture that's gone staying. You know, let's go, that's here forever, 799 00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:40,520 Speaker 1: you know. So now, so for today, we're gonna look 800 00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:42,800 Speaker 1: at something well known and something less well known songs 801 00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:48,800 Speaker 1: addressing the police. In specific, I wanted to pick songs 802 00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:52,800 Speaker 1: that were more or less about police corruption, the first 803 00:44:52,880 --> 00:45:00,120 Speaker 1: being J Dells The police ste Business. Okay, so do 804 00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,399 Speaker 1: you what are your thoughts about the police prob I mean, 805 00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:06,600 Speaker 1: first of all, I just I'm already like a Dilla nerd, 806 00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:11,000 Speaker 1: you know, So there's that, right, Uh. I think like 807 00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:13,719 Speaker 1: I think that the interest of that one or the 808 00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,000 Speaker 1: one of the things so interesting about about this particular 809 00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:17,960 Speaker 1: song is like you know, the backstory you heard the 810 00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:22,000 Speaker 1: backstory about it that like you know, he he was 811 00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:26,240 Speaker 1: apparently he was working on an album for Busta Rhymes 812 00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:30,640 Speaker 1: and his basement got rated, you know, at mom Duke's house, 813 00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:32,920 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like you like call his 814 00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,960 Speaker 1: basement got raided. They destroyed page, they destroyed, like, he 815 00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:38,920 Speaker 1: destroyed so much stuff. So that night he made that 816 00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,879 Speaker 1: song because the police just like rated his mom's house 817 00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:45,640 Speaker 1: because they heard something, you know what I'm saying. So, 818 00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,560 Speaker 1: and Dilla being who he is, like you know, in 819 00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:51,680 Speaker 1: the beginning stades of this lupus and just all this 820 00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,520 Speaker 1: stuff was happening, like so like the backstory behind this 821 00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:57,880 Speaker 1: song for me makes it even that much more like no, 822 00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,799 Speaker 1: not dilla, you know what I'm saying. It's like it's 823 00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:05,480 Speaker 1: like it's like fresh, it's fresh, palpable anger, like that 824 00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:07,640 Speaker 1: should just happen. Yeah, and you can hear to me, 825 00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:09,480 Speaker 1: it's like you could hear that in this song that 826 00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:14,000 Speaker 1: it's like it's very it's definitely angry. Yeah, definitely, it's 827 00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:17,880 Speaker 1: definitely a reaction. Yeah, this just happened, you know what 828 00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:21,120 Speaker 1: I'm saying. And yeah, so for me, it's like that's 829 00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:26,400 Speaker 1: why it's always been such a like um, such a 830 00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,520 Speaker 1: stickler for me. And it's just like you know you 831 00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:32,239 Speaker 1: obviously we had the n W A one, but like 832 00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:34,520 Speaker 1: this was so like it was such a B boy 833 00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:37,200 Speaker 1: swing because it was della and it became for me 834 00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:40,279 Speaker 1: more more of an anthem. Even on my l A 835 00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:43,200 Speaker 1: Boy that song came. And then also around the around 836 00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:45,680 Speaker 1: like the time that I was coming up, at some 837 00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,799 Speaker 1: point they ended up using the instrumental for this for 838 00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,440 Speaker 1: some anime. I'm trying to remember what it was. Was 839 00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:57,279 Speaker 1: it Sam? Was it Samurai Champloo. I can, like, when 840 00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,120 Speaker 1: I really listened to it, I can hear the like 841 00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,000 Speaker 1: I don't remember, Yeah, I'll go back and find out. 842 00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:03,239 Speaker 1: But it was one of those joints I used to 843 00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:05,680 Speaker 1: play on adults swim. But I just remember, like you would. 844 00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:07,480 Speaker 1: You would hear it because all of my own homies 845 00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:09,959 Speaker 1: were watching that that show, so you would hear that beat. 846 00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,160 Speaker 1: And then b boys would always break two. And then 847 00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,239 Speaker 1: I remember the first time I heard the first time 848 00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,239 Speaker 1: I heard the song and heard the lyrics and it 849 00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:20,560 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, the songs like about something hearing 850 00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:24,239 Speaker 1: the instrumental for years. Yeah, No, this was definitely like 851 00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:27,319 Speaker 1: you know, the Cipher song. You know what I'm saying 852 00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,960 Speaker 1: that Little Groovers would just like you know, hit the hit, 853 00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:32,359 Speaker 1: the hit the middle of the start going to start 854 00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:34,080 Speaker 1: from doing a freestyle dance because it because it's just 855 00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:37,719 Speaker 1: so just that first those first eight ball first eight 856 00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:41,640 Speaker 1: like bars are just so big, you know. All right, 857 00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:46,520 Speaker 1: I'm next. We got Big l The Enemy featuring Cat 858 00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:49,640 Speaker 1: y'all want so bad you want to frisk me and 859 00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:53,640 Speaker 1: sold the old kind of names, trying to hurt dude, 860 00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:56,520 Speaker 1: just mad because I'm with y'all. Cat so I think 861 00:47:56,840 --> 00:48:00,560 Speaker 1: I think the theme, the overall theme for that one, 862 00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:06,520 Speaker 1: it kind of is like, um, you know, we're we're legit. 863 00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:10,520 Speaker 1: Now we're successful, so we're not really like committing crimes anymore. 864 00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:14,239 Speaker 1: But Big L. Shoos is like convey that message like 865 00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:18,600 Speaker 1: almost entirely through his interaction with police, and like how 866 00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:22,080 Speaker 1: that harassment is carried on from before he was famous 867 00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:24,839 Speaker 1: to now being famous. It's just like dual consciousness, right, 868 00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:28,040 Speaker 1: It's like, Okay, so we you know, we understand, you know, 869 00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:34,359 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, crack sales isn't good, Like this 870 00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:36,839 Speaker 1: wasn't this wasn't good for us, you know. But at 871 00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:39,640 Speaker 1: the same time, you know, we understand that you know, 872 00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:42,560 Speaker 1: this stuff didn't happen in the vacuum, you know, and 873 00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:47,800 Speaker 1: and and and it wasn't necessarily the desired route for everyone, 874 00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:49,880 Speaker 1: you know, just like trying to figure out what's the 875 00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:51,120 Speaker 1: best way to do this, and then when you get 876 00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:53,279 Speaker 1: to a place to where you're like, okay, I could 877 00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:55,960 Speaker 1: put these were you know, these were crimes of survival. 878 00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:59,799 Speaker 1: They were nobody scrubbing them clean, not saying that these 879 00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:02,800 Speaker 1: were bad things, you know, done, but but raut of 880 00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:07,719 Speaker 1: it now, you know, and just that letdown of like 881 00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:14,719 Speaker 1: but it's it's but it's you can't save you. Yes, 882 00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:17,680 Speaker 1: it's the same. I'm still seeing the same you know. 883 00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:22,200 Speaker 1: Um the yeah, like the hard part of being like 884 00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:31,200 Speaker 1: I I remember, it's like you we can't clean up enough, 885 00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:33,520 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like you can't. There's no 886 00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:39,160 Speaker 1: this is not respectable. Respectability a policy and you get 887 00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:42,520 Speaker 1: bit by dogs and fire holes and being whip yeah, 888 00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:45,920 Speaker 1: and it's like you're saying thing, We're like, uh, class 889 00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:50,000 Speaker 1: you know, we have all these class aspirations um as 890 00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:52,160 Speaker 1: hip hop artists, Like it's a part of our class 891 00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:54,680 Speaker 1: aspiration is a part of our culture. But these things 892 00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:59,239 Speaker 1: can't can't save you because ultimately of the streets on you, 893 00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,520 Speaker 1: when you roll down the street, when you know, get 894 00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:05,120 Speaker 1: pulled over, they're gonna immediately be like where's it gunn 895 00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:08,600 Speaker 1: at are you selling rocks? Like all of these kinds 896 00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:11,080 Speaker 1: of things, They're going to be scared the same way 897 00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:13,200 Speaker 1: and have the same sort of reaction in the rational 898 00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:16,920 Speaker 1: fear and ship like yeah, yeah. What I think about 899 00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:19,000 Speaker 1: when I listen to the song is like I feel 900 00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:24,319 Speaker 1: like if it's like it's um, how do I say this, 901 00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:27,600 Speaker 1: Like there's a lot of interesting ways that hip hop 902 00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:32,759 Speaker 1: access like journalism for conditions on the ground, for people 903 00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:35,200 Speaker 1: of color. And you know, you have a lot of 904 00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:38,600 Speaker 1: songs that sort of impressionistic lee capture like life on 905 00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:40,920 Speaker 1: the streets in terms of like what you see in 906 00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:44,319 Speaker 1: your surroundings, people standing out on the street, corner altercations 907 00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:46,279 Speaker 1: going down, things that are happening in your home. And 908 00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:48,759 Speaker 1: then you have this other kind of sub genre. It's 909 00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:50,520 Speaker 1: funny that you brought up like, oh, this is jay 910 00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:52,520 Speaker 1: Z before jay Z, because I think like nine of 911 00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:56,239 Speaker 1: the Problems has a very similar um structure as this 912 00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:58,560 Speaker 1: song in terms of like it being an anecdote of 913 00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:01,960 Speaker 1: a personal account of of an interaction with police, and 914 00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:06,400 Speaker 1: this is very common encounter of like specifically getting like 915 00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:10,160 Speaker 1: pulled over and like you know, asked all these questions 916 00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:11,600 Speaker 1: and like you were talking about at the beginning, like 917 00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:18,440 Speaker 1: well your mama say that, like um, and so I 918 00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:20,720 Speaker 1: love one day to like take a look at songs 919 00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:24,160 Speaker 1: in this like I don't know the subcategory, this classification 920 00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:27,120 Speaker 1: of these like personal accounts of this kind of interaction 921 00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:30,879 Speaker 1: because similar to like Shakespeare had its sonnets, and then 922 00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:32,880 Speaker 1: you know, it's like love poems, et cetera. And this 923 00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,440 Speaker 1: is like a special kind of hip hop song that 924 00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:43,440 Speaker 1: you see over and over again. Oh can we can 925 00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:47,040 Speaker 1: we just take one second just to comment on just 926 00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:50,840 Speaker 1: how ill that big L versus? I mean, boyd, this 927 00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:53,200 Speaker 1: this ship just makes you want to like, Yo, why 928 00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:56,120 Speaker 1: am I rapping? Yeah? All right? Our next song is 929 00:51:56,200 --> 00:52:02,680 Speaker 1: karus one Sound of the Police? What would you be 930 00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:07,360 Speaker 1: doing that? I got the same. This is so dope. 931 00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:10,640 Speaker 1: Like the parallel between with the overseer and the officer. 932 00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:13,880 Speaker 1: Ye was the one thing I'll say, do you want 933 00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,640 Speaker 1: to talk about the stupid? That is a stupid? Was 934 00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:20,800 Speaker 1: the one overseer one on the plantation officer I patrolling 935 00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:24,640 Speaker 1: all the nation, overseer could stop you, what what you're doing? 936 00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:30,439 Speaker 1: Officer of a point, just when he's pursuing. It didn't 937 00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:33,040 Speaker 1: hit me until it didn't hit me until I was 938 00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:37,319 Speaker 1: much older, when he was going oversee you, oversee you. 939 00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:44,480 Speaker 1: Obviously obviously the officer was a special back then You're like, 940 00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:48,839 Speaker 1: oh did you caress what's that? Yeah? I was like, 941 00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:51,319 Speaker 1: oh he's the greatest. Yeah, I didn't remember what he 942 00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:54,280 Speaker 1: did that. I was like, oh yeah, this is yeah, 943 00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:57,600 Speaker 1: Oh there was um. Recently, I think just the other day, 944 00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:02,440 Speaker 1: Kanye West put out a new song, and um, the 945 00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:04,960 Speaker 1: beginning of it had it was like a recording of 946 00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:09,040 Speaker 1: his mother reciting the lyrics for the song. Yeah, it's 947 00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:13,440 Speaker 1: really Yeah, do you want to go into the next one? Oh? 948 00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:15,200 Speaker 1: I mean do we need to be what else? What 949 00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:17,960 Speaker 1: about this one? I mean it's it's you know, it 950 00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:21,640 Speaker 1: is your officer thing. And then he kind of puts 951 00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:24,280 Speaker 1: it in it's like historical contacts with like the lineage 952 00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:26,800 Speaker 1: of police went. At the end, He's like, my grandfather 953 00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:28,759 Speaker 1: had to deal with the cops, my great grandfather had 954 00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:31,319 Speaker 1: to deal with the cops, my great great grandfather had 955 00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:33,000 Speaker 1: to deal with the cops, and then my great great 956 00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:37,720 Speaker 1: great great winner gotta stop totally. And I think, uh again, 957 00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:44,719 Speaker 1: like you know, so so Dila's you know, Dealer's the 958 00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:52,560 Speaker 1: police was more around my adulthood to where I understood 959 00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:55,280 Speaker 1: what was happening. You know, the sound of the police 960 00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:57,440 Speaker 1: like that was more of my childhood. So I didn't 961 00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:00,920 Speaker 1: really really understand what he was saying. You know what 962 00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:04,040 Speaker 1: I'm I mean, I got it because I knew, like 963 00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:06,680 Speaker 1: I knew I liked the police, you know what I'm saying. No, 964 00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:09,960 Speaker 1: I feel that heavy. Like to me, it's like, um 965 00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:12,439 Speaker 1: like Sound of the Police, Like when I was a kid, 966 00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:14,879 Speaker 1: it was kind of like a movie almost right where 967 00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:16,200 Speaker 1: you knew it was kind of you knew it was 968 00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:18,480 Speaker 1: based on real ship, but there was like a certain 969 00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:22,640 Speaker 1: disconnect from it, whereas like the Dealership, like I was 970 00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:25,319 Speaker 1: in my twenties when that was going on, that ship 971 00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:28,640 Speaker 1: was like actually happening to me, like exactly, that's what 972 00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:30,320 Speaker 1: I was saying. Yeah, I was like, it wasn't happening 973 00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:32,200 Speaker 1: to me with care Us doing it, But when Dealer 974 00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:34,200 Speaker 1: was doing it, I was like, yeah, I got Yes, 975 00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:36,280 Speaker 1: I got the perfect like the Sound of the Police 976 00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:41,560 Speaker 1: is Godfather and J Deller's The Police as good Fellas 977 00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:49,120 Speaker 1: than perfect. All Right, I'm next. You got looking to 978 00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:56,200 Speaker 1: the eyes of the Ship. We should be on the 979 00:54:56,239 --> 00:55:00,120 Speaker 1: p I think this one might be a unique long 980 00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:04,560 Speaker 1: hip hop songs for the perspective perspective, Yeah, I mean 981 00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:09,239 Speaker 1: definitely for now. I think I have heard some other 982 00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:11,759 Speaker 1: songs where people were rapping from the perspective of the 983 00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:15,440 Speaker 1: cop but this is definitely a standout one of the crop, 984 00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:19,200 Speaker 1: that's for sure. It gets so personal. Wake up in 985 00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:22,919 Speaker 1: the morning, kiss my wife, goodbye, hug my kids, telling 986 00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:26,480 Speaker 1: my love and mom out hit the ride, like kind 987 00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:29,520 Speaker 1: of like it's a little uncomfortable, I think, given the 988 00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:33,279 Speaker 1: current discourse of like you know, like be within the 989 00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:35,879 Speaker 1: labor movement or trying to kick cops out, and like 990 00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:39,040 Speaker 1: the violence that we see on social media and the news, 991 00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:41,959 Speaker 1: um and then the like a thin blue line people 992 00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:43,840 Speaker 1: want to bring up like oh, they have a family 993 00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:45,799 Speaker 1: and they not kids. But like it's really hard to 994 00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:49,720 Speaker 1: put yourself actually into that mind frame of like someone 995 00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:55,640 Speaker 1: that could perpetrate such just ability. Yeah, it makes it 996 00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:59,640 Speaker 1: it's more nuanced picture of the situation. Yeah, and that's 997 00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:04,680 Speaker 1: what makes to disconnect so much harder to swallow when 998 00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:08,080 Speaker 1: you're like, yeah, exactly, you have a family, you have children, 999 00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:13,280 Speaker 1: You understand how how broken you would be to lose 1000 00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:17,719 Speaker 1: someone like this, Like you understand, don't you understand? Like 1001 00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:19,719 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So it's like so then 1002 00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:22,319 Speaker 1: you have to walk away and go okay. So my 1003 00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:25,360 Speaker 1: only conclusion is you don't see us as human, you 1004 00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:27,120 Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like, because you just told me 1005 00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:29,880 Speaker 1: you've got a family and children, so you understand. Yeah. 1006 00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:32,600 Speaker 1: And one of the things I learned, like in working 1007 00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:35,480 Speaker 1: in local government. You know, when I came into it 1008 00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:39,120 Speaker 1: with this um mindset that like, okay, it's me versus 1009 00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:41,560 Speaker 1: the enemy, which is all these conservatives that are perpetrating 1010 00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:44,520 Speaker 1: off its white supremacy. And then you get there and 1011 00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:47,719 Speaker 1: they're like, oh, I like your blazer, what's up. I'm like, hey, 1012 00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:49,440 Speaker 1: would you like to get a beer in this afternoon? 1013 00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:52,880 Speaker 1: And like really nice, cordial and polite people who seem 1014 00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:55,799 Speaker 1: very normal, And it's very disarming for disarming, and you 1015 00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:59,560 Speaker 1: canna forget the mission because people are like normal in 1016 00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:01,880 Speaker 1: terms out and it makes it harder to focus on 1017 00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:05,640 Speaker 1: the fact that like not just how you convey yourself 1018 00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:08,640 Speaker 1: in terms of niceties, but actually what you do with 1019 00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:11,880 Speaker 1: like the policies that you either create or you operate under, 1020 00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:16,080 Speaker 1: how you enact, like your you know, form part of 1021 00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:19,680 Speaker 1: systems that are oppressive. Like that's the judge of character, 1022 00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:22,920 Speaker 1: not not whether or not like oh, they kissed his 1023 00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:26,080 Speaker 1: wife goodbye and like you know, wave to the focus 1024 00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:28,720 Speaker 1: the doughnut shop on his way to work. It's it's 1025 00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:32,520 Speaker 1: this other things like that have to be disaggregated from 1026 00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:36,840 Speaker 1: the civility that like creates this sheen over the whole, 1027 00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:41,080 Speaker 1: the whole scheme of operation sometimes and it makes it 1028 00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:46,560 Speaker 1: harder to like, uh effectively critique how are these things? Uh? 1029 00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:48,840 Speaker 1: How do they say it's operate? How these things work? Well? 1030 00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:52,200 Speaker 1: Thinking like another? You know one of the I guess 1031 00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:57,520 Speaker 1: in citious, sinister lee ingenious things about Like the way 1032 00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:00,760 Speaker 1: some of these like racist systems work is they're kind 1033 00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:04,200 Speaker 1: of established to the point where they don't necessarily need 1034 00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:07,440 Speaker 1: like bad actors in order to operate, you know what 1035 00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:12,120 Speaker 1: I mean. Like it can like systemic racism can operate 1036 00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:16,040 Speaker 1: without individual racism being present, you know what I mean. Right, 1037 00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:19,640 Speaker 1: So for example, it's like it's like the scheme the 1038 00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:23,320 Speaker 1: motives operandi is like to over police a black community. 1039 00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:26,640 Speaker 1: You're not like going out and specific like in all 1040 00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:29,320 Speaker 1: the people you encounter in that neighborhood are black. You're 1041 00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:31,600 Speaker 1: not like, oh, I'm not specifically targeting anyone. It's just 1042 00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:34,040 Speaker 1: everyone I you know, have countered that day and that 1043 00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:35,760 Speaker 1: was doing your crime. I brought them down. But the 1044 00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:38,600 Speaker 1: system has already put you in that scenario where if 1045 00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:42,520 Speaker 1: you operate according to the standard procedure, the outcomes are 1046 00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:45,800 Speaker 1: going to be racist, no matter if you're buying kids 1047 00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:49,320 Speaker 1: ice cream, cones or like posing for selfie is what 1048 00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:52,840 Speaker 1: the b ball court with whoever inherently with the way 1049 00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:56,400 Speaker 1: that the policy operates to put you in that area 1050 00:58:56,480 --> 00:59:00,280 Speaker 1: the first place, is inherently a tool of oppression. Is 1051 00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:03,400 Speaker 1: the biggest, The biggest takeaway I think of our series 1052 00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:06,040 Speaker 1: of the Behind the Police series is that like the 1053 00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:10,480 Speaker 1: racism has taken on a life of its own. And 1054 00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:12,680 Speaker 1: I think that that's the part that's hard when it's 1055 00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:16,760 Speaker 1: hard to communicate when we like, listen, I'm not talking 1056 00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:20,000 Speaker 1: about your uncle Dave, who's a great guy. Like that's 1057 00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:22,160 Speaker 1: not who I'm talking about, you know, And they're like, well, 1058 00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:26,080 Speaker 1: who are you talking about? It's like, no, okay, how 1059 00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:29,360 Speaker 1: do you like? I don't. I just don't understand why 1060 00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:33,320 Speaker 1: it's a system, you know what I'm saying. And and 1061 00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:35,240 Speaker 1: and that is the most insidious part, like you said, 1062 00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:40,600 Speaker 1: is that like the the system of policing, no matter 1063 00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:45,840 Speaker 1: how many good apples you put into it for you 1064 00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:50,160 Speaker 1: to survive in this system, you can't stay a good 1065 00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:54,800 Speaker 1: apple because because the system is bad, you know. Um 1066 00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:58,360 Speaker 1: and yeah, yeah, So I think that that's like so 1067 00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:01,840 Speaker 1: important for the discussion and the discourse around like abolition 1068 01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:07,160 Speaker 1: and um, you know, uh, just criminal justice as a whole, 1069 01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:10,800 Speaker 1: like we obviously we focus specifically on policing, but the 1070 01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:14,480 Speaker 1: whole thing to where it's like, yeah, there's probably you're 1071 01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:16,400 Speaker 1: you're right, there's a ton of good cops, there's a 1072 01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:20,240 Speaker 1: ton of good judges. You're missing the point though, you know, 1073 01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:22,360 Speaker 1: and that's and it's it. But it's it's like if 1074 01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:24,880 Speaker 1: you are like function in the world, like you said, 1075 01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:28,480 Speaker 1: of just niceties and that there is a which I 1076 01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:35,680 Speaker 1: found from just understanding like from a sociological perspective, you know, 1077 01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:39,320 Speaker 1: where the conservative movement in America is trying to get to, 1078 01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:43,400 Speaker 1: or at least in the West, you know, conservative liberal 1079 01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:46,240 Speaker 1: their transitive verbs. So it's like, you know, you're conserving 1080 01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:49,200 Speaker 1: what like liberal liberal, you know, liberating from what. So 1081 01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:51,400 Speaker 1: I'm not going to say all conservatives are this, but 1082 01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:55,760 Speaker 1: the direction that the conservative movement in America is going 1083 01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:58,320 Speaker 1: to is at the end of the day, they have 1084 01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:04,040 Speaker 1: an ideal as to how society should look and work. 1085 01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:06,960 Speaker 1: They just happen to believe that they're the arbiters of 1086 01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:09,880 Speaker 1: it um whether they know what or whether they know 1087 01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:12,520 Speaker 1: they believe it or not. They almost feel like it's 1088 01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:14,200 Speaker 1: like I think that's why I like a lot of 1089 01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:17,720 Speaker 1: like Western like evangelical sort of like you know, or 1090 01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:23,640 Speaker 1: just just religions specifically, would end up leaning conservative because 1091 01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:29,120 Speaker 1: they believe there's a transcendent ideal of how society is 1092 01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:32,280 Speaker 1: supposed to look. You know what I'm saying, it's transcendent. 1093 01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:34,800 Speaker 1: It's like, it's not us, it's it's above us. That's 1094 01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:37,760 Speaker 1: the way we're supposed to be. So we should all 1095 01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:40,520 Speaker 1: act like we're supposed to act, you know what I mean, 1096 01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:45,560 Speaker 1: And we're this is the natural order of things, you know, 1097 01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:48,280 Speaker 1: that was given to us by some sort of transcendent 1098 01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:50,760 Speaker 1: divine if you want to call it God where you 1099 01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:53,360 Speaker 1: wanna call it. At the end of the day, Conservatism, 1100 01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:58,360 Speaker 1: at least here believes that there is somewhere out there 1101 01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:02,320 Speaker 1: the answer and we need to like and they have 1102 01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:04,440 Speaker 1: figured it out. It's like they try to tie it 1103 01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:08,200 Speaker 1: towards the natural order and stuff. So going back to 1104 01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:10,000 Speaker 1: the song, I didn't want to we don't want to 1105 01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:12,680 Speaker 1: take us too far off at tangent. But um, I 1106 01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:16,040 Speaker 1: think that this this song definitely the Cyper's Hill Joint. 1107 01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:21,760 Speaker 1: It definitely has like of aura of um like fantasy 1108 01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:26,800 Speaker 1: and entertainment like purposes towards it. Doesn't seem as serious 1109 01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:30,320 Speaker 1: to me as like, for example, have we did. We 1110 01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:33,200 Speaker 1: had a song on a few weeks ago by a 1111 01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:37,120 Speaker 1: dude named Marlon Kraft, a song called Gangship, and he 1112 01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:39,600 Speaker 1: kind of does a similar thing where the first verse 1113 01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:43,040 Speaker 1: he dedicates it solely from the perspective of the cop 1114 01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:46,000 Speaker 1: and it's very it's much more serious. It doesn't get 1115 01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:48,160 Speaker 1: like training day with it, where it's like seems like 1116 01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:51,520 Speaker 1: you're listening to like a Jerry Bruckheimer, you know, crime 1117 01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:53,800 Speaker 1: thriller or something like that, which I feel the cypers 1118 01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:56,000 Speaker 1: Hill song kind of does the Cyper I don't. I don't. 1119 01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:57,920 Speaker 1: I don't really take away from the Cyper's Hill song 1120 01:02:57,960 --> 01:03:01,360 Speaker 1: that it's like a serious like political statement of a song, 1121 01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:03,720 Speaker 1: like a socio political message at all. It's just like 1122 01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:07,520 Speaker 1: it's a creative writing exercise and inhabiting a different perspective 1123 01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:09,600 Speaker 1: sounds like it sounds like, yeah, he just sounds like 1124 01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:11,800 Speaker 1: he was just picking a character to like to do. 1125 01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:14,360 Speaker 1: It could have easily been a sanitation worker or like 1126 01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:18,520 Speaker 1: a shoe mender or something like a serial killer or something. Yeah. 1127 01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:20,840 Speaker 1: In terms of like, oh, the shock value of like 1128 01:03:21,040 --> 01:03:24,200 Speaker 1: looking into this different worldview or this different lifestyle for 1129 01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:26,720 Speaker 1: a second. And I think be Real's like tone and 1130 01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:29,920 Speaker 1: his like lyrical ability at the time of this song, 1131 01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:35,960 Speaker 1: like it's hard, it's hard to commute. I don't even 1132 01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:38,560 Speaker 1: think if he was trying to be serious, he wasn't 1133 01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:44,880 Speaker 1: developed as an artist well enough to to communicate that 1134 01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:47,360 Speaker 1: at this moment in his career, you know what I'm saying. 1135 01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:50,600 Speaker 1: As he got further along, it was just like, oh, 1136 01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:53,360 Speaker 1: like be Real is like we need to cement him 1137 01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:57,400 Speaker 1: in in the cannon, you know what I'm saying. Um, 1138 01:03:57,480 --> 01:03:59,120 Speaker 1: But I think at the time it was it was 1139 01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:02,280 Speaker 1: still just this like Southgate, like you can just kill 1140 01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:06,200 Speaker 1: you the fan that the fan that kind of dan, 1141 01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:07,520 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It was just this like 1142 01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:10,400 Speaker 1: you know, just this like DJ Muggs just this like 1143 01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:14,920 Speaker 1: four by four you know, just ryan pattern that like 1144 01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:17,000 Speaker 1: he just had. He hadn't developed it yet, you know 1145 01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:19,480 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Um, So I I want to give 1146 01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:21,160 Speaker 1: him that to where it's like same thing because I 1147 01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:22,520 Speaker 1: feel the same way. It's like I kind of feel 1148 01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:26,040 Speaker 1: like maybe we're getting there, but like I don't know, 1149 01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:29,680 Speaker 1: I just it feels a little more lighthearted. Yeah, well 1150 01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:31,560 Speaker 1: that's gonna I think that's gonna do it for us 1151 01:04:31,640 --> 01:04:33,840 Speaker 1: today for the music discussion. You know, I wanted to 1152 01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:37,480 Speaker 1: thank you Propaganda for coming through our show. Hey can 1153 01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:42,280 Speaker 1: you tell the people where they can find you? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 1154 01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:44,400 Speaker 1: you can find me at profit Pop. That's all of 1155 01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:49,120 Speaker 1: my socials and and uh it's my website to profit 1156 01:04:49,120 --> 01:04:52,120 Speaker 1: pop dot com. Uh. There's also a little thing we're 1157 01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:56,479 Speaker 1: doing for coffee and black people. Uh it's called which 1158 01:04:56,520 --> 01:05:00,160 Speaker 1: is profit pop gotting backslazed Coffee. Uh you know, off, 1159 01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:03,000 Speaker 1: you only grow at the equator, right, so like, so 1160 01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:08,120 Speaker 1: who liver? So? Uh So we just got a collection 1161 01:05:08,200 --> 01:05:12,320 Speaker 1: of like you know, like by poc, like roasters and 1162 01:05:12,560 --> 01:05:16,000 Speaker 1: shops that like if you you know, I'm obviously I'm 1163 01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:18,800 Speaker 1: a coffee dude. So like just ways to support like 1164 01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:22,360 Speaker 1: smaller roasters that are like doing the good work. That's 1165 01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:24,720 Speaker 1: what's up. Yeah, Well, thank you so much for coming 1166 01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:28,760 Speaker 1: on today. Pleasure. This is the dopest I said yes 1167 01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:30,680 Speaker 1: off the strength of the name of the pod, I 1168 01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:33,160 Speaker 1: was like, let's go. Yes, I want to be on 1169 01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:37,240 Speaker 1: this well ship. We're starting a little tradition of you know, 1170 01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:39,960 Speaker 1: spitting bars to open up and close out the show. 1171 01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:44,000 Speaker 1: So I think you're gonna be our first guests. Bitter 1172 01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:46,280 Speaker 1: with us today, Yo, let's get a beat. Let's get 1173 01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:58,040 Speaker 1: this ship popping having me on the show though, yeah 1174 01:05:58,120 --> 01:06:00,360 Speaker 1: we does. But let's be downloads and is and blew 1175 01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:02,720 Speaker 1: this all we knew red rags of badges are the 1176 01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:05,000 Speaker 1: same when it came through, flaming through the gardens, the 1177 01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:07,480 Speaker 1: jungles like where you stay at? You don't look famili 1178 01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:10,120 Speaker 1: you won't play that home me say that? What's that tat? 1179 01:06:10,280 --> 01:06:12,280 Speaker 1: Or you run with that other click right, we've seen 1180 01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:14,919 Speaker 1: you the other night. Dug and right, and I'm gonna 1181 01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:17,880 Speaker 1: need somebody and the reason you round these parts on set, 1182 01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:20,480 Speaker 1: we got the burners on deck. Are we prayed for 1183 01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:23,880 Speaker 1: his life like lit lunar me. He didn't call the backup. 1184 01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:26,760 Speaker 1: He come, he's far me. Your odds are if you're 1185 01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:29,200 Speaker 1: living not far from the hood. They pulled up in 1186 01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:32,640 Speaker 1: a squad car to your odds. I'm losing cool up 1187 01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:35,040 Speaker 1: and nothing. I'm losing counter of the comics, Jacuzi po 1188 01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:38,000 Speaker 1: bumbling into the sound of the samba thunderclouds. The gun 1189 01:06:38,080 --> 01:06:39,720 Speaker 1: you got you coughing like what the bear for? You 1190 01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:41,640 Speaker 1: wanted to ground them down in vodka mix, but who 1191 01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:43,840 Speaker 1: could they not under like a puppy chowling on the 1192 01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:46,720 Speaker 1: down park park bitch, let me up, police and take 1193 01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:49,200 Speaker 1: seven seats on the park bench. Look me in the eyes. 1194 01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:51,960 Speaker 1: What you know about darkness? Please call the police and 1195 01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:55,840 Speaker 1: Darren send the squad of cars now while they sit 1196 01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:58,439 Speaker 1: in up. I got a bust of Freestyle forty five 1197 01:06:58,560 --> 01:07:00,840 Speaker 1: on TV talking like you see now, I'm gonna go 1198 01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:02,960 Speaker 1: and cure the world's like I was in green Out. 1199 01:07:03,160 --> 01:07:06,080 Speaker 1: I'm not a politician. I'm not a fucking actor. Whatever 1200 01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:08,240 Speaker 1: you think of asking, I do it for the rappers. 1201 01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:10,280 Speaker 1: I don't got a post piston and I don't have 1202 01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:12,880 Speaker 1: a master, So why don't be singing dancing the coolners 1203 01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:15,040 Speaker 1: for the crackers. I hope that you don't get a fit. 1204 01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:17,200 Speaker 1: Let's take it to just pretend. If you touch my 1205 01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:20,080 Speaker 1: microphone the hello through my little friend, I really know 1206 01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:23,520 Speaker 1: that it's just too crazy. Waiting on reparations like fun 1207 01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:28,040 Speaker 1: you pay me dope Yo. My name is Dope Knife Franca, 1208 01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:31,760 Speaker 1: and we are waiting on reparations. See you next week, 1209 01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:34,960 Speaker 1: see you next week. Waiting on reparations as a production 1210 01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:38,000 Speaker 1: of iHeart Radio. Listen to Waiting on Reparations on the 1211 01:07:38,080 --> 01:07:41,120 Speaker 1: i heart Radio, app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get 1212 01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:41,800 Speaker 1: your podcasts.