1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:04,600 Speaker 1: You're listening to Seahawks Stories, taking you behind the scenes 2 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 1: with your favorite current and former Seahawks play fake drop back, 3 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: go to throw a d kind of man, it's metcap 4 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:16,760 Speaker 1: HiT's down, down down Seahawks powered by Seahawks dot Com. 5 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 1: Turbin in the backfield with Wilson, who goes out on 6 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:21,960 Speaker 1: a shotgun. Look out here come from left. Russell steps up. 7 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 1: Now he's got to scramble. Now he tups to Turbin 8 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 1: midfield forty five forty down here sign like thirty twenty five, 9 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 1: puts his head down on a run by Turbin. He's 10 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: all the way down to the Chargers twenty one yard line, 11 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 1: a thirty two yard pickup. Now, here's your host, super 12 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 1: Bowl forty eight champion, Robert Turbin. Well so, well, so, 13 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: well up. Everybody is your boy. RT. Robert turban aka Turbow. 14 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:52,919 Speaker 1: You know what it is, Episode number two of Seahawks Stories. 15 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: We got a special guest in the building. I'm gonna 16 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: let the highlight go ahead and introduce my man sitting 17 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:04,400 Speaker 1: there next to me. Right now, the field goal will 18 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:07,759 Speaker 1: be spotted at the nine yard line, showing nineteen yard 19 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 1: field goal by Grammatica there's the snap, the spot. Romo's 20 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 1: gonna run it in he's head. He got down. He 21 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 1: hasn't got there. I can't tell I he fumbled. I 22 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 1: think the ball is down and there's a matter of 23 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: fact he is. He's down on the one. Unbelievable. Romo 24 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 1: can't get the spot down. Something happened when he put 25 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:35,479 Speaker 1: the ball down on the ground. It was a bad hole. 26 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: It just slipped away from Jordan Babbino comes from behind 27 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 1: and save a game winning touchdown if he comes up 28 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 1: short on about the one and a half yard line, 29 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 1: first down, Seahawks. Oh my goodness, the one and no lye. 30 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: Jordan Babino did two seven joining us on the show today. 31 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 1: What's something my man, that's got a good question for you. 32 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 1: I know this is episode two, But do you always 33 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: say like here with special guests, like or is like 34 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: everyone special to you? Or you just say that because 35 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 1: I'm here? Now? You know what, I don't say special 36 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 1: guests every time. I appreciate what I'm saying. Yeah, I 37 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: mix it up because you are the Jordan Babbin. No, man, 38 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 1: there's only one in you. I'm saying. Man, you're doing good. 39 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 1: You know, life is good. I'm staring outside traffic on 40 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: the four or five. But it's a sunny day usual. Yeah. Yeah, 41 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 1: Well they're doing a lot of construction. Like I'm hanging 42 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:28,920 Speaker 1: out with you. Yeah, we're killing yesterday. You were on 43 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 1: that golf course hitting the ball. Yeah, we was on 44 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 1: the golf course. I don't know, you know, listen, I struggled. 45 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: I ain't gonna lie. You know, I'm trying to get 46 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 1: on your level. But I know any time I go 47 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 1: anywhere with Jordan Babin, no, I'm good all day. You 48 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 1: know what I mean, They're bro good. Uh, you're coming. 49 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: That's all I need to know. You're coming. Come on, 50 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: that's going up. Hey, man, appreciate you coming on to 51 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 1: the show that they you heard the highlight one of 52 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 1: the legendary moments in Seahawk history, probably one of the 53 00:02:56,320 --> 00:03:00,679 Speaker 1: most you know, influential plays of your career as well. 54 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: Let's get into it man. You know it was a 55 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:06,640 Speaker 1: you know, big time game playoffs playing against the Cowboys 56 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:11,639 Speaker 1: Tony Roma. They anticipating going to the Super Bowl that season. Man, 57 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 1: take us into just the preparation of that game and 58 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 1: that play in itself. You know, one thing about that 59 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: play every time I hear. I gotta control my breathing 60 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 1: because it's like, I mean, like you can hear the 61 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:27,920 Speaker 1: excitement in the play call, and certainly we all know 62 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 1: what what what what, you know what the outcome was 63 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 1: and what happened, but it's like, damn, what a moment. 64 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: Yeah know, that's That's one of those moments I feel 65 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 1: like something was bound to happen, like negatively for the Cowboys, 66 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 1: Like did you just was there something in the air 67 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: that was like we're gonna either block this thing, it's 68 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: gonna be a funnel, Like did you believe something like 69 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 1: that was bound to happen? Okay, you want the truth, Okay, 70 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: So I will tell you that was an play for me. 71 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: That was that was that moment. It's like, you know, 72 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:58,839 Speaker 1: it's like did that just happen? Like I'm and yeah, 73 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 1: in a matter of two second, kins right, It's like 74 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: that just happened, and that was my responsibility. So you 75 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 1: saw the desperation to get to Romo before he got 76 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: around on the other side. That was you know, I mean, 77 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: that was a remarkable play. And especially growing up in Texas, 78 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: you know, there was always something about something special about 79 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 1: playing the Cowboys, and uh, you know, several times throughout 80 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 1: my career when we played the Cowboys, you know, something 81 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 1: magical would happen, something similar. And I remember in the 82 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: preseason game, I picked up a fum boy and returned 83 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:34,159 Speaker 1: it for a touchdown. You know that play right there, 84 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:37,359 Speaker 1: and you know there Drew Bledsoe interception that led to 85 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:40,359 Speaker 1: the game winning Josh brown field goal. There was always 86 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 1: a moment when we played the Cowboys that it was 87 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 1: just something special would happened. And I think, I don't 88 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:50,280 Speaker 1: I don't know what it was unique about the Cowboys. 89 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 1: You know, if we played them every every week, I'd 90 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:57,919 Speaker 1: probably be a pro bowler, you know, but you know, 91 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: growing up in Texas, you know, I still go home 92 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: and you know, all family and friends still talk about 93 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: that moment. And uh, you know one thing that I 94 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: think is unique about being a player, and certainly you 95 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: had this experience many times, is that when I hear 96 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 1: fans talk about, you know, specific play in my career, 97 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: I asked them where they were and who they were 98 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 1: spending you know, who they were spending time with in 99 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: that moment, Because just as it was unique for us 100 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: and they can and we can recall it, so so 101 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: can they, right and you know, oftentimes it's you know, 102 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 1: a loss or a win of a big bet, but 103 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: but they always can remember that moment where they were 104 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 1: some people who were at the game or hanging out 105 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: with family watching the game on the tele on the tudlecast. 106 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: And uh, you know, so that that little connection between 107 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:40,479 Speaker 1: fans and players. Always try to make that when I 108 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 1: speak to fans about my career. Yeah, take you to 109 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: a place in time, right, It's like hearing the old 110 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:48,480 Speaker 1: school song or something. Yeah. Absolutely, and not that's beautiful. Man. 111 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 1: Speaking of growing up in Texas, I'm curious that you ever, 112 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: you know, don't ask Hell no, I wasn't like Cowboys fans, 113 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 1: Well did you want to play for the Cowboys? Growing up? 114 00:05:58,160 --> 00:05:59,720 Speaker 1: I wanted to play for any team who wanted to 115 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 1: pay me to play for the team. And oddly enough, 116 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: like and look now in the NFC West, you know 117 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: it's it's I say this to kind of mumble it, 118 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 1: but I was a forty ninist man, I'm growing up. Yeah, yeah, 119 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:14,160 Speaker 1: I mean, I was a forty Niners fan, but I 120 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 1: grew up in Wow. Well, here here's the thing. I mean, obviously, 121 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 1: you know, you look back at their winning pedigree there 122 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:29,039 Speaker 1: was something unique about them. And uh, but but the 123 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:31,039 Speaker 1: one thing about me in general, and it's kind of 124 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:33,719 Speaker 1: like me, like I just go against the grain. It's like, 125 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:36,279 Speaker 1: if everybody liked the Cowboys, well, who's the you know 126 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 1: who don't you know who's the Cowboys? You know, worst 127 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: team to play against? Right, So it was either the 128 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 1: Steelers or the you know, the forty nine Ers, and 129 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 1: I always just went against the grands. Like, man, that's now, 130 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: I don't want to be a Cowboys fan. Everyone's a 131 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:49,719 Speaker 1: Cowboys fan, right, you know. Let me go to the 132 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:51,839 Speaker 1: West Coast. So I became a Niners fan. Fell in 133 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 1: love with all of the forty nine grades, from you know, 134 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:58,599 Speaker 1: Roger Craig to Merton Hanks to you know, Jerry of course, 135 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 1: and uh Steve Young. It's just I don't know so, 136 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 1: but I'm not a forty Nights fan. Anymortal tall that 137 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 1: you didn't do that, you didn't do the old school 138 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: Murden Hanks when the murder, you know what I mean, 139 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: you couldn't you couldn't imitate it the you know, the way, 140 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 1: the way that he did it. I think there was 141 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 1: there was there was another another player. So there's a 142 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: few players across the league that you would try to 143 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: imitate it. But I will tell you I was a 144 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 1: Billy White Shoes fan. I mean he just you know, 145 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 1: he getting that end zone and when they did the dance. 146 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: You know there are there are a few iconic dance 147 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 1: moves throughout the NFL. The Ikey shuffle um and you're saying, 148 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 1: you know, uh like that was the dirty Bird, the 149 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 1: Dirty Bird right Atlanta? And then uh, who was was 150 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: that Cold Pepper or Cold Pepper. I wasn't a big 151 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: fan of the Cold Pepper the role man, Come on, man, 152 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 1: it was it was you know. So it was like 153 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 1: you know, as a child, you know, you're playing in 154 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 1: Pop Water and and and uh you know, grade school 155 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:00,120 Speaker 1: and you're like, well who who you know, if I 156 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 1: get an end zone with you know what I'm gonna do, 157 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 1: you know, to celebrate. And so anyway, just unique times, 158 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 1: you know when when you as a kid, we got 159 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 1: to see these you know, iconic figure sports figures you know, 160 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 1: play at that level. So it was fun. Man. I 161 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: remember as a kid scoring one of my first touchdowns 162 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: as a Pop Warner player, and I start high I 163 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 1: break away for you know, I start high stepping and 164 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 1: got flagged, said, man, this is what they're doing on TV. 165 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:31,559 Speaker 1: You're doing the Prime tw I was doing the Prime 166 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 1: town a man. You know, we imitating as you should. Yeah. Yeah, 167 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: So high school ball, I mean, you grew up in college, 168 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: play high schoolball in Texas, then you go off to 169 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:46,080 Speaker 1: Southern Arkansas University, small school. Talk about that experience, you know, 170 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 1: going to just that transition, leaving home, going to Arkansas 171 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 1: out of all places, and then playing college ball there. Yeah. Well, 172 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:56,680 Speaker 1: one of the things that I didn't want to do 173 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 1: was go to school in Texas. Um. I mean there 174 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 1: was a few things. One you had to take a 175 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 1: special exam to get into college, to go to get 176 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 1: a step in into college in Texas, and then two, 177 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 1: I just wanted to get out. I wanted to go 178 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: see life. I wanted to have, you know, some different 179 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 1: experience outside of where I grew up. And at the time, 180 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 1: my brother was more heavily recruited than I was, and 181 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:21,199 Speaker 1: he ended up going to the University of Iowa. So, 182 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:24,439 Speaker 1: you know, I remember Carl Jackson was I believe, the 183 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 1: running backs coach for the forty nine ers at the time. 184 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: He had taken a role with coach Ferns at Iowa 185 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 1: and he grew up, like you know, maybe less than 186 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:35,319 Speaker 1: an hour away from the house, just right outside of Houston, 187 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:38,839 Speaker 1: and you know he comes to port author. In fact, 188 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: back up my senior year, he was our offensive coordinator 189 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 1: in high school, so he was in transition and Dirt 190 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:50,559 Speaker 1: Winston was our defensive coordinator. Now, for those who were 191 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 1: football fans and Stillers fans, he was part of that 192 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 1: Still Curtain super Bowl winning pedigree back in the day. 193 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 1: So we had two professional coaches with experience coaching us 194 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:05,559 Speaker 1: our senior year and we ended up making the playoffs. 195 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 1: I think it was the first time in maybe fifteen 196 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 1: years that our high school made the playoffs. Uh and 197 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: we beat Earl Thomas's Western Start team by the way 198 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 1: to do so. Earl wasn't there. He's a lot younger, 199 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:22,439 Speaker 1: right right, um, a little shot absolutely bow right in 200 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 1: the real uh. So, coach Coach Jackson is in our 201 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: you know, in our living room, and he's talking convincing 202 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 1: mom that hey, let your country boy go. It's all 203 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 1: right to you know, let him go and experience life 204 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 1: a lot of bit. He ended up talking to talking 205 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: mom into a monster goals to the university of ide 206 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 1: when I go to Southern Arkansas and it was a 207 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:44,599 Speaker 1: unique journey for me, you know, Division two, but you know, 208 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 1: I didn't know no better. I was happy to be 209 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 1: playing ball and you know, at the college level, and 210 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:52,319 Speaker 1: they were gonna pay for me to do so, you know, um, 211 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 1: so have other opportunities small, right and and you know, 212 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: so looking at some of the HBCUs in Southern and 213 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 1: Grambling and certainly Texas Southern right during Houston Prairie View 214 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 1: all as you know, potential options. I went on this 215 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 1: recruiting visit, you know, and it rains leading and snowed 216 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:14,559 Speaker 1: in the same day, all on the drive and it's 217 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 1: me and my mom riding in I don't know, nine 218 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 1: eighty four ninety six Toyota Corolla trying to figure it out. 219 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 1: But you know, we made it back home. But something 220 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:25,439 Speaker 1: unique about that visit made me feel like that was 221 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 1: the place for me. And it's part of the story, man, 222 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: It's part of the journey, right. I mean, now it's 223 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 1: a lot different seeing Division two players get more opportunities. 224 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 1: I think it's probably probably more exposure at that level 225 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 1: now because the one thing that I was always told 226 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:42,959 Speaker 1: is that they'll find you if you can play, they'll 227 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 1: find you. Now there's an interesting kind of dynamic to 228 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: the story or big shift, and I'll share this with you. 229 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:55,839 Speaker 1: So my senior year, I reach out to Monster. I 230 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 1: called my brother Monster by the way, senior year of college. 231 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 1: Seeing year of college, I reached out to my brother Monster, 232 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 1: and I said, aster, coach, if I could come train 233 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:07,439 Speaker 1: with you guys during the summer. Now Here here was 234 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 1: two things happened. I had one scout who was a 235 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 1: family friend. He said, you know, if you want to 236 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: play at the next level, playing Division two football, you 237 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 1: gotta you gotta be the best player on the field, 238 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 1: like no doubt you're the best player, like in terms 239 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 1: of competition. Right. And the other thing is you should 240 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 1: probably look at playing cornerback. So I was a natural safety, 241 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 1: gifted gift to playing natural safety. You know, come up 242 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:33,960 Speaker 1: in Taaco and I can and I can. You know, 243 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 1: had you know, pretty decent cover skills. So I asked 244 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 1: my brother if I can come train with them at 245 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 1: the University of Iowa, and coach granted me permission. So 246 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 1: here I am training with what I call the talent 247 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:46,679 Speaker 1: pool that the NFL is coming to recruit from. Right 248 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 1: and I'm like, just as strong, just as fast. Now 249 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 1: this is writing their BCS championship run. You know, fad 250 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 1: Fred Russell, you had Dallas Clark, Robert Gallery. You know, 251 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:00,679 Speaker 1: they had they had a squad, you know, they were 252 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 1: in BCS Championship balls. Dallas Clark a long time tight 253 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 1: end for the Coats, and Robert Gallery office in alignment 254 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 1: for the Raiders. Yeah, and actually he played here in 255 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 1: Seattle up with the Seahawks. So so so I knew 256 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 1: this was my level of competition. But when I left, 257 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,319 Speaker 1: when I after that, you know that six week or whatever, 258 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 1: it was immersion of strength and conditioning. I go back 259 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 1: to Southern Arkansas my senior year, I returned kicks, I 260 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 1: made Special Teams Player of the Year, UM, you know 261 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 1: All American at cornerback, and went on to play in 262 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 1: a Division two UM All Star game where I got 263 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 1: exposure to I believe, you know, twenty something plush teams 264 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:38,960 Speaker 1: throughout the NFL and had a chance to work out 265 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: in front of you know, pro scouts. So that was 266 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: really the pivotal moment for me in college, going train 267 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 1: with my brother that summer, you know, going into my 268 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 1: senior year, how did Southern Arkansas feel about that? I 269 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 1: mean because nowadays I don't think even you're even allowed 270 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 1: to do that, right? Did they feel some type of way? 271 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 1: We probably broke all the rules. But here's the thing, Yeah, 272 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 1: I mean, look and how was this and how was 273 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 1: their offseason program so much different than Southern Arkansas. I 274 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 1: had a vision. Here's the thing, and Division to college, 275 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: you know, the resources don't even compare the Division one. 276 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 1: We were lifting weights in the barn. Okay, So when 277 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 1: you look at the resources for Division one, I mean 278 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 1: there's a pre workout meal or shake or nutrient right 279 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 1: or supplement whatever it was, a post workout, you know, 280 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: they're they're like, like the catering to the athletes is 281 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 1: just at a different level. I mean it's it's really 282 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 1: many pro if you really think about it, and you 283 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 1: know so so you know, their care for the for 284 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 1: the player and for the body was just completely different 285 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 1: based on resources alone. So that was that was one 286 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 1: thing too, um from an education factor, right, I learned 287 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 1: something different, right, how to really take care of my 288 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: body and you know how the body moves and octionality 289 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 1: and you know, you know how one movement you know, 290 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 1: supports the other right, So you you got a different 291 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 1: education experience into health and wellness as well. And again 292 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 1: no knock against the vision two. It's just that in 293 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 1: terms of competition, like the dollar, the dollars just different, right. 294 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 1: So um, and then I was really clear about, you know, 295 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 1: giving myself the best chance, you know, to pursue that 296 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 1: childhood dream. And I shared it with my coaches, you know, 297 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 1: everyone was a part of it. I even go further 298 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 1: that that spring of my senior year in college, so 299 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 1: before the summer, no, this was this was now now 300 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: the season's over where I make all American. Here I am. 301 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 1: My last semester at college, I had uh. I went 302 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 1: talked to my counselor. I said, well, how many hours 303 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 1: do I need to graduate? So I wanted to make 304 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 1: sure I was on track to graduate. I wasn't coming 305 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 1: back and I needed twenty three hours to graduate. Wow, 306 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 1: I I made sure. But but here's the thing. I 307 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 1: had two professors throughout twenty you know those twenty three hours. 308 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 1: It was all like print journalism and you know communication. 309 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 1: I had my senior project, etc. And at the same time, 310 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 1: I was gaining the interests of you know, small agents, 311 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 1: and I did my twenty three hours while training for 312 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 1: a pro day in Atlanta and delivered on all of it. So, 313 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 1: you know, in terms of in terms of you know, 314 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 1: working online and submitting work by email, and I did 315 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 1: that my senior year in college just to ensure one 316 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 1: I wasn't coming back like appreciate it, thank you. I'm 317 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 1: glad that all you did for me was great. But 318 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 1: I got stuff to do and it's and it's somewhere, 319 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 1: and uh yeah, I was pretty relentless about about about 320 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 1: doing that and giving myself a chance to play at 321 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 1: the next level. I mean, I ain't trying to date 322 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 1: you and nothing, but you might have been ahead of 323 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 1: your time with the online school, you know, going to 324 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 1: college at that time. Online school, I knew, man, they've 325 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 1: been doing it well. It worked out for you end 326 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:00,120 Speaker 1: up going to Seattle as an undrafted free agent, and 327 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 1: of course you want to talk about your experience with 328 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 1: the Seattle Seahawks in that locker room, and you know, 329 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 1: we've already alluded to some of the big games that 330 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:12,199 Speaker 1: you've been a part of, but the draft process in itself, 331 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 1: you know, going through those three days or however long 332 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 1: it was during your time, Uh, talk about that experience, uh, 333 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 1: and then getting aside as an undrafted free really trying 334 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:26,399 Speaker 1: to date me. Man, they didn't have they didn't have 335 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: sixteen rounds look um, So it was pretty unique and 336 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:40,439 Speaker 1: interesting love Interestingly enough, I had a scout from the 337 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 1: Detroit Lions come to Southern Arkansas to work me out 338 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 1: because the first time that that's happened in quite a while. 339 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:52,880 Speaker 1: And I also got invited to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers 340 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 1: uh practice. I think it might have been a camp 341 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 1: practice or something, but they flew me in and uh, 342 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 1: and I got a look tour and experience. You know, 343 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:02,880 Speaker 1: I got to you know, this is when Derek Brooks 344 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 1: and you know, Ronde Barbara was there and Brian Kelly 345 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: was corner like this was this was Tampa too. Yeah, yeah, 346 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:11,879 Speaker 1: you know as we know it as we know it today. 347 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 1: And the the the change of the guard, so to speak, 348 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:19,160 Speaker 1: was the big corner, the big style corner, who can 349 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:22,479 Speaker 1: get hands on receivers, play this cover to cloud corner 350 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 1: and still be a part of the run support. That 351 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:28,160 Speaker 1: was my profile and that was attractive to the Bucks. 352 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:30,959 Speaker 1: So in my mind I was like, okay, Bucks, you know, 353 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 1: maybe like sixth rounds I started getting a little attraction 354 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 1: to the Bucks. You know, although their training facility was 355 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 1: Oh when I was about like southern Arkansas, that weather 356 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 1: had to be nice out there. Yeah, man, it was 357 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 1: really nice. But you know, I mean that was that 358 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 1: was it was exciting. You know, it didn't it didn't 359 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:52,920 Speaker 1: matter to me. It was like, just give me a 360 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 1: jersey and a chance, you know. So, uh, the draft happens, 361 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 1: you know, the big you know fiasco with Eli Manning, 362 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 1: and I don't know, I guess a player can just decide, 363 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 1: now you can draft me, but I don't want to 364 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:08,160 Speaker 1: play for your team. Send me where I want to go. 365 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:12,399 Speaker 1: Eli ends up in you know, New York. But m 366 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:15,639 Speaker 1: you know, I get this call from from Seattle and 367 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 1: it may have been day or two or day three whatever, 368 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: and it's like, you know, we're not gonna draft you, 369 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:22,920 Speaker 1: but we have you high up on our board as 370 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:25,880 Speaker 1: a priority free agent. Okay, whatever the hell that means, 371 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 1: just signed me up and send me a ticket. I'm 372 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 1: on the way right and uh, and so it happened. 373 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 1: You know. Here I am sitting on the couch or 374 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 1: kind of laying on the couch. I was kind of 375 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 1: watching the draft. Maybe I wasn't, but I was. You know, 376 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 1: It's like, hey, I just need a chance, and just 377 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 1: so just give me a chance. You didn't really mind. 378 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:45,640 Speaker 1: You weren't really disappointed about not getting drafted in any 379 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 1: of the seven rounds. You're just like, hey, whatever opportunity comes, 380 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 1: I'm good. Didn't care, didn't care. I just I just 381 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: need to get in. I don't care who and where. 382 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 1: Just I just need to get in and I'll show 383 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:02,880 Speaker 1: you so you interesting. I mean, it's just like Seattle 384 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 1: was the perfect place for me. And even despite looking 385 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:08,360 Speaker 1: at all of the investment that had made that defensive 386 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:12,679 Speaker 1: back you know, prior to me coming here, drafted Marcus 387 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:16,160 Speaker 1: true Fund first round a year before drafted Ken Hamlin's 388 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:20,360 Speaker 1: second round the same year as Marcus drafted bowl Were 389 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:24,639 Speaker 1: in two thousand and four. I don't care, like put 390 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:27,880 Speaker 1: me in, right, I mean, the only difference between me 391 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 1: and you know, a player like like that is their 392 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:34,440 Speaker 1: investment in the player. But in terms of skill level, confidence, 393 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 1: you know, athleticism, you know, mindset approach, let's go line 394 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 1: me out. So so anyway, that was a draft process 395 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 1: for me, and like I said, I just needed to 396 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 1: get in, and you know, very fortunate that it was 397 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:53,200 Speaker 1: the Seahawks, you know who who drafted me. And I'll 398 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 1: pause for a moment because there's interesting how I even 399 00:20:55,600 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 1: got to Seattle. Well, tell us, tell us, I wanted 400 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 1: to give you a chance. You know, I don't know, 401 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:04,919 Speaker 1: maybe there was something that you wanted tell us. So 402 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 1: I get to Seattle and uh. Ray Rhodes was a 403 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:11,920 Speaker 1: defensive coordinator at the time, and he brings me into 404 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:14,439 Speaker 1: his office and he says, um, you know, if you know, 405 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:16,359 Speaker 1: right right from the country, right, he's from right outside 406 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:18,640 Speaker 1: of that. Come come on then and talk to my office. 407 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 1: I talk to you from minute, okay, And uh, you 408 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 1: know Ray kind of you know, the kind of that 409 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 1: old man talk with. You know, you gotta three seconds 410 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 1: gotta go by for you to like put it all together. 411 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 1: It's like, oh he said that, yeah, and then he 412 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,359 Speaker 1: respond right because all the words sound the same. They 413 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:35,440 Speaker 1: just run on love love coach Rose by the way. Uh. 414 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:37,399 Speaker 1: He brings me into his office and he's like, uh, 415 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:40,639 Speaker 1: you know why you're here, right, It's like it's like, uh, 416 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 1: you know, so we're just talking about my story and 417 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 1: growing up in Port Arthur, et cetera. He said, Um, 418 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 1: he said I'm gonna you tell you they didn't want you, 419 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 1: just like that devil. Just I'm telling you now, Raised, 420 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 1: that's that's if you know, that's that's who he is. 421 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 1: That's who he is. You say, I still on the 422 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 1: table for you, now, still on the table for you. 423 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 1: I just want you to know, he said. The only 424 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 1: reason that you hear he said, there was a there 425 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 1: was someone in player personnel that reached out to him 426 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 1: and said, Ray, you gotta check out this kid. Now. 427 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 1: He may have been went to a small school and 428 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:17,159 Speaker 1: he may not be the fastest, but he's a player 429 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 1: and I want you to check it out full circle. 430 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 1: Uh you know who that that player is. I mean 431 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 1: that that scout or that personnel per personnel was it 432 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 1: was High Tower. High Tower is here now on the Seahawks. 433 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:38,199 Speaker 1: I think he's may have an advisor role. Wow. Um, 434 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:40,639 Speaker 1: but we I mean we laugh at we laugh, we 435 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 1: laugh about that story. Now, Like Ray was, like, the 436 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,120 Speaker 1: only reason you hear and I gave you a chance 437 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 1: is because you're from Texas. I was. You know, it 438 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 1: don't matter how but I'm gonna show you right. I'm 439 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 1: going to prove you're right. And ever since day, Ray 440 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 1: Rose took me on this wing. I mean I would 441 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 1: come in here and you know, we would do like 442 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,679 Speaker 1: five thirty meetings just to learn earned the tape so 443 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 1: I can catch up on that, you know, that learning curve, 444 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,440 Speaker 1: you know right away. And you know, again, I was 445 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 1: really grateful to have people like Coach Roads around me 446 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 1: early in my career. How was that rookie year for you? 447 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 1: That first season? You know, training camp, all the newness, um, 448 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,920 Speaker 1: you know, talk about some of the struggles you may 449 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,920 Speaker 1: have had and maybe some of the guys that took 450 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 1: you under their wing, you know, and and kind of 451 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:31,919 Speaker 1: taught you along the way. Well, we were really young again, 452 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 1: I said, you had Truffont and Hamlin were both starters, 453 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 1: right the first and second round draft picks, but they 454 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 1: were just second year players. We had a second year 455 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:45,439 Speaker 1: defensive back coach in Terrell Austin and the rest of 456 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,679 Speaker 1: our secondary I mean, I don't think we had anyone 457 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 1: over three or four years. Chris Richard was was was 458 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:57,440 Speaker 1: my teammate. Wow, yeah, I'm not dating you, am I 459 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 1: dating myself to you? To you? I mean because he 460 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 1: was on the coaching staff with you. Chris Rashaw was 461 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 1: was my teammate, right, and and honestly, here and I 462 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 1: were battling for that that six defensive back position. So, um, 463 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 1: you know, my rookie year was being and undrafted obviously, 464 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 1: you know how it goes. You don't get much reps, right, 465 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 1: So every rep to me on the practice field was 466 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 1: my game. I wasn't there's there's no playing around like, 467 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,920 Speaker 1: I wouldn't here to make friends. I wouldn't here to talk. 468 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:32,719 Speaker 1: I'm out here to win every player on the football field, right, 469 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 1: And so my practice was my game. And you know, 470 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 1: I just like I was cool just being the soloists. 471 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,360 Speaker 1: I was just rolling the loan, right, I'd come into 472 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:46,920 Speaker 1: meetings early, I'd get to the practice field early. I'd 473 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 1: stay late. I hit my way, you know, right, So 474 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 1: I was and I stayed the hell out of the 475 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 1: training room, you know, like that was you can't make 476 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,119 Speaker 1: the club in the tub, right. That stuck with me. 477 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 1: So um again it was um, you know, it was 478 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 1: about that, that that grind and that that never give 479 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 1: up attitude of just that my approach to everything though, 480 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 1: you know, the weight room, the meetings, practice, um, you know, 481 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:16,639 Speaker 1: learning the game, learning the playbook, and um, you know, 482 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 1: I think you know, one of my greatest gifts and 483 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 1: skill set is was my football IQ. Like I played 484 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,479 Speaker 1: every position I could. I could draw up every player 485 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,400 Speaker 1: on the defense and tell you what they should be, 486 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 1: what their role was. And so that really was something 487 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,920 Speaker 1: that helped me, particularly as a corner, right because the 488 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 1: one thing that you need to know as a cornerback 489 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 1: is where's my help and my inside or outside and 490 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,440 Speaker 1: um and so that was you know that that football 491 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 1: IQ and ability to you know, to play multiple positions, 492 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:51,439 Speaker 1: you know, really really was attractive. And um yeah, I 493 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,879 Speaker 1: ended up making a practice squad and for me, I 494 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:57,439 Speaker 1: was like, hey, yeah, you know right, because the practice 495 00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,439 Speaker 1: squad was just a stepping stone. All of this was 496 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 1: just a step stone, right, It was just a stepping 497 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,399 Speaker 1: stone because I knew what my end goal was, you know, 498 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 1: I wanted to be a starter, yea, And once it 499 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,200 Speaker 1: being started at the end of the day, and eventually 500 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,199 Speaker 1: you did become a starter and for Seattle from OZ 501 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 1: four to do twenty ten, And it sounds like, man, 502 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,679 Speaker 1: you were just grateful for each moment. Man, like you 503 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:21,639 Speaker 1: didn't have You didn't really approach things with like any expectations. 504 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 1: You were just taking things literally. Day by day and 505 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,919 Speaker 1: it led you to get to where you wanted to go. 506 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 1: But I'm interested and curious. You know, you talk about 507 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 1: making the practice squad as a rookie, eventually you became 508 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 1: a starter. What was that moment like for you? Not 509 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:43,959 Speaker 1: just becoming a starter, but you know when did you 510 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:48,880 Speaker 1: like know in your mind like Okay, I got this now, 511 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,640 Speaker 1: yeah you know what I'm saying. Yeah, so I had 512 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 1: success even as a rookie free agent in the preseason, 513 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 1: right and whatever little reps that was, whatever special teams reps, 514 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,399 Speaker 1: that was you know, success and uh, you know, I 515 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 1: just you just do things that just jump out, like 516 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta show out when when you put 517 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 1: that tape on on, you know, next day, you like 518 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 1: like you're waiting for that play, like wait till wait 519 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 1: till you see what I did homeboy on that lay right, 520 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:18,399 Speaker 1: you know. Right. So it's so you know, you're always excited. Um, 521 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 1: And I'll never forget my first game. My first game, 522 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 1: man was lambeau Field preseason man, talk about that, right, 523 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,639 Speaker 1: I mean I don't even you know, and that was anyway, 524 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 1: that was just a surreal moment for me. Um, you know, 525 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 1: I uh, I think it's well, I know, it's a 526 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 1: lot different the way coach Carol runs the program now 527 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 1: and and maybe maybe this this little unique across the league. 528 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:47,359 Speaker 1: But on the practice squad, Coach Holmgren, you couldn't be 529 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 1: on the sideline. You're in the game. No, like you 530 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 1: can't be on the sideline. So I and and honestly, 531 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 1: I was a little pissed off. So honest you say, 532 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:58,440 Speaker 1: you say, who were one of the veterans that took 533 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,359 Speaker 1: me under their wing. One was Bobby Taylor, So the 534 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,639 Speaker 1: veteran who came over from Philly. Obviously he was with 535 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 1: Ray Rose when he was the head coach there. He 536 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 1: comes to Seattle and adds a little um little veteran 537 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,200 Speaker 1: ship here, you know, for us here. But he took 538 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: me on this wing. And you know, if it wasn't 539 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 1: for BTS, you know, inviting me into a suite, I 540 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:18,639 Speaker 1: probably wouldn't have win too games. Like I'm not watching 541 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,200 Speaker 1: the game in the stands, Like hell no, like I 542 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 1: should want I should be on the sideline. But let 543 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 1: me just tell you, the way coach Honer ran the 544 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 1: program was very different and how things are today, and man, 545 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,119 Speaker 1: it really is just no think about that, right, So 546 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:37,679 Speaker 1: you were really separated, you know, the practice squad, but 547 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 1: you're a part of the team. I know it was 548 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 1: very difficult. But you know what I also talk about, 549 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 1: you know, Ray Rose, I appreciate the coach Hogering's approach, right, 550 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 1: I mean there was no rookie hazing, you know, and 551 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 1: he was all about the business. I couldn't have I 552 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,239 Speaker 1: couldn't have needed that more, right, someone to keep me, 553 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 1: you know, just keep me in check, like like we 554 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 1: ain't hit the playing around and this is serious business. 555 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 1: This is this this say no joke, man, you know. 556 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 1: So um anyway, I appreciate coach coach hogs, appreciate the 557 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 1: coach Hogrean style. But yeah, you know, you don't you don't. 558 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 1: You don't get to join the team on the sideline. So, uh, 559 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 1: twelve weeks into my rookie season. What normally happens during 560 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 1: the season. Someone gets hurt, banged up, acquisitions performance, something happens. 561 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 1: Boom abano, we're signing it to the roster. Wow, come on, man, yeah, 562 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 1: come on man. Now, I don't forget, but I don't 563 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 1: remember my first game. I had to go back and 564 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 1: look at it. I think we played the Buffalo Bills 565 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 1: and we lost. But but I ended up playing seven 566 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 1: games that that season and we made the playoffs a 567 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 1: wild card game to uh. Then I'm dating myself again 568 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 1: to Saint Louis Rams. Okay, and uh and we lost 569 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 1: in the wild card wild card overtime thriller playoff game. Yeah. 570 00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 1: Taking a step back for a second away from football. Okay, Now, 571 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 1: rumor has it, Okay, you coded your own video game 572 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 1: when you're in high school? All right, in C plus plus. 573 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 1: I don't know what that means. So you're gonna have 574 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 1: to explain it to me no audience, Okay, So I 575 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 1: want to explain that. And then like, if you if 576 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,640 Speaker 1: you didn't play football, like if you ended up not 577 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 1: being a football player, would you have probably become a 578 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 1: video game designer of some sort? You know what? I thought? 579 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 1: That was my dream? Honestly I was. I was so 580 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 1: infatuated with with games, and what I was more interested 581 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 1: in was how they work, you know, like you know 582 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 1: video games, like we don't normally think, oh, you pressed 583 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 1: the circle button, the running back makes a spin move 584 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 1: or you know triangle he you know, hurdles the defender. 585 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 1: I'm like, how does that work? Like you know what's 586 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 1: what goes into that. So I was I was really 587 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 1: intrigued with that. I knew early on I had a 588 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 1: gift right in terms of in terms of schooling and 589 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 1: and learning ability. UM. And so I was part of 590 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:09,560 Speaker 1: this UM, this accelerated program that allowed that gave exposure 591 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 1: to uh, you know technology uh in high school and 592 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 1: UM one of these. So I took basic Basic. What 593 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 1: I mean, any programmer would tell you, like, basic is 594 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 1: just what it is. It's basic, right, I mean, it's 595 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 1: like prompts and then you know, followed by a keyword 596 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 1: and then it just and something happens. And then the 597 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 1: next level from basic was C plus plus. So we 598 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,480 Speaker 1: had a chance to either go into robotics or continue 599 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 1: to go into program and the next again this is 600 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 1: this is uh like like nineteen ninety eight, nineteen ninety eight, right, 601 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 1: So I mean that's what it was back then. It 602 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 1: was you know, it was It's just it's just a 603 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 1: way to write language to get something to do something, right. UM. 604 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 1: And the game or the project that we had in 605 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 1: high school was Hangman. We had to create a Hangman game, Okay, 606 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 1: And so I wrote and coded a Hangman game and 607 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:07,600 Speaker 1: it actually worked, you know. So I thought I was 608 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:13,640 Speaker 1: going to college to study computer science, and even this, 609 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,640 Speaker 1: I took a summer program at Zabra University in New 610 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 1: Orleans that that was centered around computer technology. Now this 611 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 1: is my junior year. I'm gonna bring the story way 612 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 1: back because you're like, damn, and this is kind of 613 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,320 Speaker 1: like a damn moment. So going into my senior year 614 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 1: of high school, I was like, you know what, I 615 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,120 Speaker 1: don't even want to play football. No more, like this 616 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 1: is what I wanted to do. And my mom was 617 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 1: very diligent about, like, no, you're gonna You're gonna finish 618 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 1: what you started. And it's your senior year with your brother. 619 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 1: He and I graduated high school together and we're you know, 620 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,240 Speaker 1: obviously on the same team. It's like, you know, when 621 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:50,920 Speaker 1: you when you want to have this moment, you know 622 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 1: with your brother's like, no, this is what I want 623 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:54,320 Speaker 1: to do. I want to go to school, I want 624 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 1: to write programs, and I want to I want to 625 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,720 Speaker 1: make games. Obviously I ended up playing football in my 626 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 1: scene in a year, but I still thought I was 627 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:06,640 Speaker 1: going to do computer science at Southern Arkansas. So, uh, 628 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 1: what do I do? I I designate computer science as 629 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,320 Speaker 1: my major, and boy I got a reality check fast. 630 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 1: Oh man. I quickly changed my major to broadcast journalists. Really, 631 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 1: oh man, quickly? What was it? What was it about? 632 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,719 Speaker 1: It was everything? It was. How about the three different 633 00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 1: types of uh pre wreck mathematics that you had to 634 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:36,880 Speaker 1: get to a higher level of to get to calculus. Right, 635 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:40,200 Speaker 1: it was like playing tricks statistics. It was I mean, 636 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 1: it was just it was It was tough. Did you 637 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 1: have because you because you mentioned you thought you was 638 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 1: gonna create video game? Did you have a mind like 639 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,880 Speaker 1: a game, a type of game in mind that you 640 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 1: wanted to create? Uh, you know one of the games 641 00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 1: that I really liked it most. It was Siphon Filter, don't. 642 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,640 Speaker 1: I mean, look, I'm really dating myself, right. So it 643 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 1: was kind of like the old game of you know, 644 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 1: like a Black Ops or Squad or you know, Call 645 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:10,240 Speaker 1: of Duty. Right, So you basically had a mission objectives, 646 00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:11,920 Speaker 1: you know, to go to the next stage. You do this, 647 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:13,800 Speaker 1: dude on the way. It's like almost like a contra. 648 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,239 Speaker 1: It's like an elevated contra. Right. It was fun, but 649 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,279 Speaker 1: not necessarily man. And look I even look back at 650 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 1: the time to look back like great, like my football 651 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,400 Speaker 1: journey was great, and I love that. But you know, 652 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:27,880 Speaker 1: had i've been coding and doing that from you know, 653 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:33,359 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety eight for twenty twenty plus years, I probably wouldn't, well, 654 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,480 Speaker 1: not probably, I wouldn't be sitting here with you today. 655 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 1: I'd be you know, cubicle. Definitely not a cubicle. I 656 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,759 Speaker 1: probably you know, you know, have been one of the 657 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,440 Speaker 1: early parts of you know, some of these big technologies. 658 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:49,919 Speaker 1: What we know is you'd be sitting pretty somewhere for real, 659 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:51,759 Speaker 1: for it. I mean, not that you're not already doing that. 660 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:56,480 Speaker 1: You're doing Babs. You call me pretty, sitting pretty, I 661 00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 1: call you called me pretty. No, I'm talking about you know, 662 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,800 Speaker 1: like that, you know, infrastructure around you. You know what 663 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,600 Speaker 1: I mean, the compound. I got you, baby, I got you. 664 00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 1: But no, I mean it was Look, I appreciate it all. 665 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,960 Speaker 1: You're absolutely right. Every probably look at I mean, this 666 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,319 Speaker 1: is probably not comparable, but I'm gonna try to metaphorically 667 00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,919 Speaker 1: put this together anyway. Okay, I worked at best Buy 668 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,160 Speaker 1: in college, and I started in gaming, and then I 669 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,600 Speaker 1: did little car stereo stuff. But I got over the 670 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:29,040 Speaker 1: home theater. The home theater was I was okay and 671 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:32,600 Speaker 1: for about a good five years. You can tell me 672 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:36,799 Speaker 1: nothing about a TV LG, Panasonic LC. I knew were 673 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,200 Speaker 1: all the details. Now, every time I looked at a 674 00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 1: TV screen, I go to somebody house, look at the 675 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:45,560 Speaker 1: flat screen. I'm looking at it totally different than just 676 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,520 Speaker 1: the clear picture. I'm looking at all the details, the pixels. 677 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,799 Speaker 1: You know. So for a minute, you probably for a 678 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,640 Speaker 1: period of time, was you were looking at video games 679 00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 1: probably different than the normal consumer. Uh yeah, yeah, it 680 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,000 Speaker 1: was again, that was that was a fun time, man, 681 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:04,960 Speaker 1: It was a unique experience. Got glad I had that 682 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,359 Speaker 1: in the early part when I when I even like 683 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,080 Speaker 1: some of my conversations now, you know, being outside of 684 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,080 Speaker 1: football and establishing relationships in the business community, especially here 685 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:14,640 Speaker 1: in Seattle, and I talked to like a bunch of 686 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,520 Speaker 1: techies and gamers and coders and stuff, and I tell 687 00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,200 Speaker 1: them that they're like blown away that I knew C 688 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:25,160 Speaker 1: plus plus and basic. Last, how did you getting back 689 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:29,839 Speaker 1: to football? How did you get the nickname big play 690 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:34,279 Speaker 1: Babs where it comes from? Yeah, well, I mean there 691 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:35,919 Speaker 1: was just a few a few players that I made 692 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 1: in key games, and it always happened to, you know, 693 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,600 Speaker 1: late in the ball game that would you know, help us? 694 00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:43,160 Speaker 1: I say, I won the game, but it would help 695 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:46,520 Speaker 1: us win the game. And uh, I believe it was 696 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:51,520 Speaker 1: uh you know the famous world famous Hall of Famer 697 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:58,800 Speaker 1: John Madden, who you know gave it that level of 698 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:03,320 Speaker 1: reverence and uh that we know it as today? Who 699 00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:07,680 Speaker 1: mentioned that on the broadcast? And yeah, that was that 700 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,680 Speaker 1: we heard. We heard the play by play. Uh Steve 701 00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,799 Speaker 1: Rabel give you know his description of it. But on 702 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:18,920 Speaker 1: the national broadcast it was John Madden. Wow. Who had 703 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:22,440 Speaker 1: to call wow? So? Um, I mean that's another you 704 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:26,680 Speaker 1: know kind of like yeah, you know what I mean, 705 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:30,880 Speaker 1: like John Madden calling your game, man, talk to you know, 706 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:35,040 Speaker 1: saying your name, Oh, it's gotta be big time. Um. 707 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:41,080 Speaker 1: So you played for Seattle, oh four to ten, the 708 00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,320 Speaker 1: next two seasons of your career, you head over the 709 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:48,600 Speaker 1: Tennessee two the better seasons of your career. Uh. Not 710 00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,600 Speaker 1: a lot of people on the outside understand what that. 711 00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:55,680 Speaker 1: You know, that transition is like not only you know, 712 00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:01,719 Speaker 1: changing careers out away from football, but changing teams. Uh. 713 00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:05,520 Speaker 1: So talk about that process for you, what it was 714 00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:06,920 Speaker 1: like and what it was like to play for a 715 00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,520 Speaker 1: new franchise. Yeah, you know, it was kind of a 716 00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,840 Speaker 1: very disappointing breakup in my eyes too. With the Seahawks, 717 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:17,520 Speaker 1: you know, Jim Mora just become a you know, head coach. Um. 718 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,439 Speaker 1: You know, we had a dismal season to say the lease, 719 00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:24,080 Speaker 1: and you know, there was a shift in in management 720 00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,759 Speaker 1: all the way up to you know, from GM all 721 00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:31,120 Speaker 1: the way down to president, et cetera, et cetera. Obviously 722 00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,200 Speaker 1: what comes about change. It's like, oh man, you feel 723 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,680 Speaker 1: change in the building. So I'll never forget Tyler Winky 724 00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:38,920 Speaker 1: I believe was team president or the CEO, and he 725 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:42,360 Speaker 1: had I think he was leading the next search for 726 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,800 Speaker 1: the head coach and uh, you know they obviously landed 727 00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:49,920 Speaker 1: with coach Carroll. And and coach Carroll comes in and 728 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:55,960 Speaker 1: you know, right in twenty ten was my last season here, um. 729 00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,000 Speaker 1: And you know there was also the year that they 730 00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:02,000 Speaker 1: drafted Earl Thomas first round and drafted Camp Chancellor I believe, 731 00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,640 Speaker 1: fourth the fifth round, you know, later in the draft. 732 00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,839 Speaker 1: And you know the year prior I had, you know, 733 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,560 Speaker 1: I was in my contract where I had hit my 734 00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,200 Speaker 1: performance in cinemas and I was set to make you know, 735 00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:16,600 Speaker 1: the most money that you know I could make ever, 736 00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,959 Speaker 1: you know in my career and and then coach Carroll 737 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,040 Speaker 1: comes in, and I had had a basically a competition 738 00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:26,960 Speaker 1: with lawyer malloy and uh so, so Carol comes in. 739 00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,960 Speaker 1: You know, you know about the hundred plus transactions that 740 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,840 Speaker 1: he you know, he's famously known and Aguinness Book of 741 00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,720 Speaker 1: World Records for the most transactions by first year head coach. 742 00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:39,200 Speaker 1: I don't know I made that up, but maybe he is. 743 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,040 Speaker 1: Uh And I was part of one of those, one 744 00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,919 Speaker 1: of those transactions, those roster cuts. So I was cut 745 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,239 Speaker 1: brought back to you know, a day or two later, 746 00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,279 Speaker 1: but I was in a different role, so I was 747 00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,000 Speaker 1: no longer the starter. I had a supporting role. I'd 748 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,759 Speaker 1: come in and passing situations, you know, special packages. So 749 00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:57,560 Speaker 1: I went you know, probably went from like, you know, 750 00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,640 Speaker 1: sixty seventy plays to about thirty plays, you know, depending 751 00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:04,480 Speaker 1: on you know, the team and the game plan. But 752 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,560 Speaker 1: I was also tasked to teach the rookies how, you know, 753 00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,359 Speaker 1: how to play this game. So I mean I used 754 00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,680 Speaker 1: to have sessions with Earl and Cam and teach them 755 00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:15,640 Speaker 1: how to watch film and things like that. So I 756 00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:18,439 Speaker 1: guess you can say that the reason that they're kind 757 00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,040 Speaker 1: of had the success that they did in their career 758 00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,600 Speaker 1: where it's partly because of nap teasing. I could never 759 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:26,439 Speaker 1: take that. I remember asking Earl Thomas as a young 760 00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,920 Speaker 1: player what he does like when he watched this film, 761 00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,000 Speaker 1: Like what is he watched for? You know? I'm like, Earl, 762 00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:35,759 Speaker 1: you know, can you He was like, I watched me. 763 00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,279 Speaker 1: Is that what you was teaching them? That's what you 764 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,680 Speaker 1: was teaching him in there? Hey, let me just tell 765 00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:46,160 Speaker 1: you Earl first got here. Man, he was just he 766 00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:49,839 Speaker 1: was just raw talent. Man. He was just natural. And 767 00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:53,680 Speaker 1: all Earl know is seaball hit ball, seaball get ball, 768 00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:57,359 Speaker 1: you know, and but you know, I think I think 769 00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,719 Speaker 1: we all knew it was myself obviously a lawyer, had 770 00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:02,640 Speaker 1: a big impact on that, true font It's like man 771 00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,600 Speaker 1: once once he got it and you know, it clicked 772 00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,000 Speaker 1: for him and seeing the game a little different, Like 773 00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:09,840 Speaker 1: I mean, he was just gonna take off this this 774 00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:13,279 Speaker 1: He was just naturally gifted. So anyway, I'm down. I 775 00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,520 Speaker 1: got I got shipped out, went out to Tennessee. I 776 00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:18,400 Speaker 1: think they put us on a package deal, myself and 777 00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:20,880 Speaker 1: Matt Hasselback, so we both ended up landed on the 778 00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:24,480 Speaker 1: same team, and um, you know, it's just different you know, 779 00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,920 Speaker 1: and it's like, ah, you know, you know everything about it. 780 00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,600 Speaker 1: But that was okay because I knew I had to Personally, 781 00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:32,880 Speaker 1: I just felt like I had to earn my right to, 782 00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:34,600 Speaker 1: you know, to be in a locker room and be 783 00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,160 Speaker 1: a leader for this team. But my vision for you know, 784 00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,800 Speaker 1: what I wanted to do in terms of reclaiming my 785 00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:41,719 Speaker 1: my position as a starter was still the same and 786 00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,600 Speaker 1: I still had that ambition. So eventually I got a 787 00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:47,200 Speaker 1: chance to do that. And um, you know, while we 788 00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:51,760 Speaker 1: weren't as successful down in Tennessee, not making the playoffs, um, 789 00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:53,919 Speaker 1: it's still part of the experience and part of the journey. 790 00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:55,640 Speaker 1: I was still one of you know, very few people 791 00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,600 Speaker 1: who had a chance to play at this level. And 792 00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:05,000 Speaker 1: episode one of this season we had True Fund special guests. 793 00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:08,279 Speaker 1: True Fin, I knew it. I knew it. Did True 794 00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,799 Speaker 1: Fund tell you how to help him make the Pro Bowl? Uh? 795 00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:12,640 Speaker 1: You know what? He mentioned that he made the Pro Bowl, 796 00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,200 Speaker 1: But he didn't mentioned nothing about baths. See, yeah, they 797 00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,000 Speaker 1: forget about the small people. Let me just okay, well, 798 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:19,719 Speaker 1: then let me tell you how I helped you make 799 00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,919 Speaker 1: the probo Okay, it's like like, bab who you're part 800 00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,439 Speaker 1: of all of these great you know, contributions to these 801 00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,960 Speaker 1: great careers. You know. Yeah, look, True Fund man. It's 802 00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,359 Speaker 1: one thing about True man. I was blown away with 803 00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,480 Speaker 1: True Funds. You know, athleticism and skill set. This guy 804 00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:38,560 Speaker 1: had the best footwork in the league, and True would 805 00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:42,360 Speaker 1: always find himself in position. But he backed the ball down. 806 00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:45,839 Speaker 1: I go up to True I'm not kidding, I say, 807 00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:49,440 Speaker 1: True catch the damn ball. Yeah, he went on against 808 00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,120 Speaker 1: seven picks that make the Pro Bowl, So you could 809 00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:54,520 Speaker 1: thank me for that. I'll make sure to let him 810 00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:56,759 Speaker 1: know that, man. But uh, you know, one of the 811 00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:00,680 Speaker 1: one of the unique things about uh, the true font 812 00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,600 Speaker 1: family I should say is, you know, Marcus and both 813 00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:06,960 Speaker 1: his brothers all made it to the league played in 814 00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,560 Speaker 1: the NFL. You yeah, your older brother, you and your 815 00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:13,640 Speaker 1: older brother in your own unique way. Also both you know, 816 00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,879 Speaker 1: made it to the NFL. Very two different journeys, right, 817 00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:20,440 Speaker 1: but both played in the NFL. So what was that experience, Like, 818 00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:22,680 Speaker 1: what did that mean to you and your family? Yeah? 819 00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,799 Speaker 1: That was Thanks for bringing that up, man, That was 820 00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,200 Speaker 1: that was a special moment. And my brother was a 821 00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,839 Speaker 1: second round again. Some more circles. I mean, you see 822 00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:33,839 Speaker 1: how close knited than the NFL is uh. Jim Mora 823 00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,479 Speaker 1: was the head coach in Atlanta. My brother, my brother 824 00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:39,799 Speaker 1: was a second round draft pick bad coach Jill Moore. 825 00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,359 Speaker 1: Jim Mora comes to Seattle last part of my career 826 00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,439 Speaker 1: and the being my dB coach for two years before 827 00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,680 Speaker 1: we took the head coaching job. So, um, you know, 828 00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,120 Speaker 1: having you know that time when you know, when we 829 00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:52,319 Speaker 1: when we played against one another, I mean, that was 830 00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:56,080 Speaker 1: that was pretty special, you know, and you know, obviously 831 00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:59,239 Speaker 1: the joy and you know that we got to do 832 00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,080 Speaker 1: for you know, for our mom, you know, and it 833 00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:06,040 Speaker 1: was really big, big paybacks, you know what I mean. Like, 834 00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:09,040 Speaker 1: you know, when growing up in Port Artho, Texas, surrounded 835 00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:12,160 Speaker 1: by drug abuse and violence, you know, peer pressure, the 836 00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,319 Speaker 1: street seemed like a faster way to make money. Somehow, 837 00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,759 Speaker 1: you know, she helped us navigate that somehow, you know, 838 00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,840 Speaker 1: after the early death of my father at eight years old, 839 00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:27,040 Speaker 1: single mother, you know, had raised five kids to all 840 00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:29,920 Speaker 1: graduate high school and all graduate college and put up 841 00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,200 Speaker 1: you know, and two two sons in the NFL. Right, 842 00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:35,839 Speaker 1: that's you know, that's that's you know, that's special, right, 843 00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:39,520 Speaker 1: I mean, so you know, being able to you know, 844 00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:42,359 Speaker 1: have those moments when he and I competed against each other, 845 00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:45,080 Speaker 1: you know, you know, and that brotherly rivalryman was something 846 00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:48,680 Speaker 1: that went all the way back to middle school, you 847 00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:51,439 Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like to middle school, I'm like, hell, nah, 848 00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,239 Speaker 1: you're not gonna wind up me at anything, like I mean, 849 00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:57,719 Speaker 1: it didn't matter what we did, we always competed and 850 00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:01,239 Speaker 1: m you know, that was the early part of you know, 851 00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:04,040 Speaker 1: you know where it all started, you know, and without 852 00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,839 Speaker 1: realizing it, and it and it continued all the way through, 853 00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:10,000 Speaker 1: you know, through our professional career. And so he went 854 00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,279 Speaker 1: on to play for twelve years. You know, I had 855 00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:16,440 Speaker 1: a nine year career and enjoyed every bit of it. 856 00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:20,839 Speaker 1: Last two things I want to touch on because as 857 00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:24,359 Speaker 1: I've gotten to know you over you know, the last 858 00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:28,680 Speaker 1: couple of years, you're you're one of the big relationship 859 00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:33,920 Speaker 1: type guys, uh that I know, big on networking, big 860 00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:40,080 Speaker 1: on um, just connecting with people right and then and 861 00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:43,279 Speaker 1: then nurturing those relationships in your own way, whether it's 862 00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:46,680 Speaker 1: coffee or lunch or so you leave, you go to 863 00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:48,960 Speaker 1: Tennessee play for the Titans for a couple of years 864 00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:51,880 Speaker 1: and or they maybe they were their oilers, not just 865 00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:59,480 Speaker 1: playing and you come back to Seattle as a as 866 00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:04,120 Speaker 1: a non player, and so what was that experience like, 867 00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:06,560 Speaker 1: because you said you mentioned you left on kind of 868 00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:11,080 Speaker 1: you know, the terms weren't great when you left, you know, 869 00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:13,960 Speaker 1: so coming back as a non player, getting involved in 870 00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,480 Speaker 1: the pre and post game show, just just talk about, 871 00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:20,600 Speaker 1: you know, how you navigated that experience. Well, believe it 872 00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:23,919 Speaker 1: or not, it's been ten years, and this makes ten 873 00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:27,320 Speaker 1: years now that I've been on the other side of 874 00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:32,200 Speaker 1: the white lines. And here's a lesson. You know, I 875 00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:35,120 Speaker 1: don't think it's very few players who leave the game 876 00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,759 Speaker 1: on their own terms, and very few players continue to 877 00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,560 Speaker 1: have a strong or a healthy relationship with their former 878 00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,799 Speaker 1: club after you walk in there and maybe you're over 879 00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,359 Speaker 1: prompt maybe your promised something that they didn't deliver on, 880 00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:49,799 Speaker 1: or maybe you get into contract disputes, or you know, 881 00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:53,719 Speaker 1: you leave, you know, on a bad note. And the 882 00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:58,040 Speaker 1: one thing about me is that while I wasn't okay 883 00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:01,160 Speaker 1: with the decisions that made and how things ended in Seattle, 884 00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,840 Speaker 1: I knew that I was, you know, my level of 885 00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:09,000 Speaker 1: professionalism would outweigh how how I wanted to feel or 886 00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:12,000 Speaker 1: react emotionally. As like, now, okay, I understand it's a 887 00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:16,400 Speaker 1: business right, And so I kind of kept that where 888 00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:20,359 Speaker 1: it was, that's the decision and that's where they're going, right. 889 00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:22,120 Speaker 1: I wasn't bitter, I you know, I mean you hear 890 00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:24,640 Speaker 1: about the stories of people's storming now throwing chairs. I 891 00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:27,879 Speaker 1: mean there's look, there's some former players who can't come 892 00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:33,120 Speaker 1: into this building based on how their relationship you know ended. Wow. 893 00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:35,040 Speaker 1: And so I wanted to make sure that I was, 894 00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:38,040 Speaker 1: you know, as a person of character and professionalism, um, 895 00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:42,080 Speaker 1: you know, just navigating you know, the last few you know, 896 00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:45,560 Speaker 1: my last decade of being away from sports having essentially 897 00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:47,799 Speaker 1: been exactly what you're talking about, is how do I 898 00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,719 Speaker 1: maneuver or move into a new space where you know, 899 00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:54,160 Speaker 1: that's that I'm that really I'm starting over in many ways, right, 900 00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:58,200 Speaker 1: whether I'm choosing to go into broadcast journalism or you know, 901 00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:00,960 Speaker 1: become an entrepreneur or pursue a different career in a 902 00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:04,279 Speaker 1: different industry. There was a lot to learn, and I 903 00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:07,040 Speaker 1: was very truthful to myself about that, you know, and 904 00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,440 Speaker 1: essentially becoming a rookie again, my rookie year, it was 905 00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:11,560 Speaker 1: just a sponge. I wanted to know as much as 906 00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:14,520 Speaker 1: I need to know for me to be successful. And 907 00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:20,440 Speaker 1: my story of how I got into sports broadcasting was 908 00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:25,040 Speaker 1: after a game in Tennessee, I was interviewed by the 909 00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:27,840 Speaker 1: NFL Network and in the middle of and during the 910 00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:30,240 Speaker 1: commercial break, I'm talking to the producers, are like, well, 911 00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:33,160 Speaker 1: during the off season, I trained in the LA, Like, 912 00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:35,960 Speaker 1: I mean, would it would it be okay if I 913 00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,440 Speaker 1: just came in and did some work, you know, I 914 00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:40,319 Speaker 1: pay me and whatever it is when I'm not looking 915 00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:43,040 Speaker 1: for a contract I just want to start facilitating their 916 00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:46,400 Speaker 1: relationships now, because I knew transition was yet you know, 917 00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,120 Speaker 1: it was ahead of me, right whenever that was. And 918 00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:51,239 Speaker 1: that's exactly what I did. You know. So I was 919 00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:54,560 Speaker 1: working at the NFL Network without realizing that I wasn't 920 00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:57,520 Speaker 1: going back for year ten. And while I still was 921 00:48:57,600 --> 00:48:59,839 Speaker 1: kind of even even in my analysis, I still kind 922 00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:02,960 Speaker 1: of had the protection of the players, right. It wasn't 923 00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:04,640 Speaker 1: throwing guys under the bus, but I was trying to 924 00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,600 Speaker 1: be as truthful as I can. You know, I still 925 00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:09,920 Speaker 1: had the attitude or the mentality of a of a 926 00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:13,239 Speaker 1: of a player, right, you know, protect the team and uh. 927 00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,720 Speaker 1: And it wasn't until I really made that decision that Okay, 928 00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:17,239 Speaker 1: well I'm not going to sit around and wait for 929 00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:19,080 Speaker 1: the NFL to call. I'm just going to create my 930 00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:23,000 Speaker 1: own opportunities. And I ended up getting a contract with 931 00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:26,960 Speaker 1: the NFL Network for three seasons and then and it's 932 00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,000 Speaker 1: prior to me coming to Seattle, but I was still 933 00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:30,799 Speaker 1: living in Seattle, was coming up, and that was just 934 00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:34,520 Speaker 1: a week day gig for me. So I reached out 935 00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:37,880 Speaker 1: to the Seahawks, you know, Dave Pearson. You know, again, 936 00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:41,480 Speaker 1: I got feel strong about our relationships here and a 937 00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:43,879 Speaker 1: lot of people who were, you know, in position when 938 00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:46,040 Speaker 1: I was playing or now in leadership positions here and 939 00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:49,239 Speaker 1: making decisions and helping run an organization. And so I 940 00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:51,759 Speaker 1: just leveraged those relationships. So you want to talk about 941 00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:54,439 Speaker 1: full circle, I mean it's look, you know, you treat 942 00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:56,239 Speaker 1: people like people at the end of the day, right, 943 00:49:56,400 --> 00:50:00,160 Speaker 1: And it wasn't about you know, my bitterness or my 944 00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:04,000 Speaker 1: emotions toward me leaving franchise. That gave me an opportunity 945 00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:07,880 Speaker 1: to fill my childhood career, my childhood dreams. I was, 946 00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:11,759 Speaker 1: I was, I was thankful, right and and so you know, 947 00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:17,279 Speaker 1: now still I think this is here seven. You know, 948 00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:20,600 Speaker 1: time flies, turbo, time flies turbo, right, But but you know, 949 00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:23,720 Speaker 1: I've been in ambassador for the franchise in various ways. 950 00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:27,000 Speaker 1: And you know, not many people can say that they 951 00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:30,279 Speaker 1: still have an attachment to one of thirty two you know, 952 00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:34,319 Speaker 1: world sports franchises in the NFL. I mean it's it's 953 00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:39,960 Speaker 1: so again. Um yeah, I mean it's it's These are 954 00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:42,880 Speaker 1: another these are also real moments, you know, also real moments. 955 00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:45,600 Speaker 1: So I'm living a dream, Turbo, still living a dream. 956 00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:47,279 Speaker 1: I got I got one more for you, but you 957 00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:49,560 Speaker 1: got baby, and then we'll wrap up because we know 958 00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:53,760 Speaker 1: the difficulties of that transition, you know, out of football, 959 00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:57,240 Speaker 1: and you know you mentioned reaching out to NFL Network 960 00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:59,919 Speaker 1: and eventually getting that opportunity and talking to Dave Pierce 961 00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:03,239 Speaker 1: here at the Seahawks and eventually getting that opportunity to 962 00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:06,560 Speaker 1: be a part of the broadcast team. He wrote a 963 00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:16,040 Speaker 1: book all right, entitled The Pivot. Well just Pivot to Win, 964 00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:19,960 Speaker 1: Pivot to win, Pivot to Win. Just kind of get 965 00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:24,799 Speaker 1: into what inspired you to write the book and what 966 00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:27,640 Speaker 1: it's about, uh kind of in the next show for 967 00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:29,880 Speaker 1: our listeners. So look, so the full tide of the 968 00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,960 Speaker 1: book is, uh, pivot to win. Make the big plays 969 00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:36,040 Speaker 1: in life, sports and business. Hence the play our name 970 00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:41,200 Speaker 1: so um so how that came about in the essence 971 00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:44,680 Speaker 1: of it. So when I left the NFL, I mean 972 00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:46,520 Speaker 1: even while I played, I started I started a couple 973 00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:48,480 Speaker 1: of businesses. My brother and I we have something together 974 00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:49,840 Speaker 1: and then something here and I just kind of do 975 00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:53,839 Speaker 1: on our own. And one of the businesses that I 976 00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:58,800 Speaker 1: that I started was in transportation. And while I'm running 977 00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:02,920 Speaker 1: this business, while I felt you know, confident, work, ethic, drive, 978 00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:07,000 Speaker 1: willingness to succeed, I also realize, oh man, there's some 979 00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:10,920 Speaker 1: gaps right, there's there's there's just some gaps. Naturally, I 980 00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:15,200 Speaker 1: was like, I gotta go retool. So I go back 981 00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:19,680 Speaker 1: to pursue my NBA. I enrolled at Seattle University. I 982 00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:23,960 Speaker 1: do an executive NBA program, And at the same time, 983 00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:27,480 Speaker 1: I was trying to find a way where I can 984 00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:31,560 Speaker 1: leverage what I was already doing with the Seahawks. If 985 00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:35,000 Speaker 1: the Seahawks saw me as an ambassador for the franchise, 986 00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:37,200 Speaker 1: as someone that they can send out to speak on 987 00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:41,240 Speaker 1: behalf of the franchise, you know, help with their partner 988 00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:45,080 Speaker 1: experience or customer experience, fan experience, right engage with the 989 00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:48,680 Speaker 1: community to help enhance something. I'm like, well, there's clearly 990 00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:51,480 Speaker 1: a message there that I can share where now I'm 991 00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:53,759 Speaker 1: walking into a room, I can I can give a 992 00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:57,120 Speaker 1: you know, a keynote speech or you know, there's there's 993 00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:59,919 Speaker 1: something around my story and uniqueness of you know, making 994 00:52:59,920 --> 00:53:04,800 Speaker 1: it to this level of an the NFL. And and again, 995 00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:07,800 Speaker 1: it's not natural for someone to take the path that 996 00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,960 Speaker 1: I did. And while it may not have been, you know, 997 00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,960 Speaker 1: all that entertaining to me, because I mean really, I 998 00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:16,759 Speaker 1: still have this sense of humility. It's like that quiet confidence. 999 00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:20,799 Speaker 1: It was attractive. I was like, so, I so I'm 1000 00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:23,560 Speaker 1: in this uh this leadership conference down in San Diego, 1001 00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:28,640 Speaker 1: and my mentor, Darren Hardy, whom he says to it's 1002 00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:30,680 Speaker 1: about a hundred business owners all across the world. He says, 1003 00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:32,680 Speaker 1: if anyone is interested in writing a book, come back 1004 00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:35,360 Speaker 1: before the lunch break, and I'll give you access to 1005 00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:38,640 Speaker 1: my product, you know, my production team, my publishing team. 1006 00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:41,879 Speaker 1: Like okay, well, sure, yeah, I'll write a book by 1007 00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:44,120 Speaker 1: the end of the day. By the end of the day, 1008 00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:45,800 Speaker 1: I'm standing up in front of a hundred people that 1009 00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:50,000 Speaker 1: I don't know, and I'm like and next year, like, 1010 00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:51,759 Speaker 1: you know, what's one big takeaway that it will had 1011 00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:53,440 Speaker 1: to share one big takeaways, like, next year, I'm going 1012 00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:55,239 Speaker 1: to write a book. Now, I didn't know what the 1013 00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:57,040 Speaker 1: hell I was writing about, what the story is going 1014 00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:59,440 Speaker 1: to be, the message da da da da da da da. 1015 00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:02,399 Speaker 1: But I knew if I could hone in on that, 1016 00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:05,080 Speaker 1: then you know, it can become a great marketing tool 1017 00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:07,160 Speaker 1: to help do some of the things that I wanted 1018 00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:11,480 Speaker 1: to do life after football. So again I end up 1019 00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:14,800 Speaker 1: here in the book it's really about It's part memoirs. 1020 00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:17,160 Speaker 1: So there's a part of it of growing up in Texas, 1021 00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:20,640 Speaker 1: the path of Division two football and playing nearly a 1022 00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:23,400 Speaker 1: decade in the NFL as an undrafted free agent. There's 1023 00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:25,759 Speaker 1: one component of it. The other part of it, too, 1024 00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:29,960 Speaker 1: is like there's something unique around you know, all of 1025 00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:32,360 Speaker 1: our stories, not just mine. We all have a story. 1026 00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:34,840 Speaker 1: We all deal with perseverance, we're all faced with challenges, 1027 00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:38,000 Speaker 1: we're all faced with setbacks, right, but everyone don't respond 1028 00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:41,080 Speaker 1: the same. So how can I help inspire someone else 1029 00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:44,239 Speaker 1: who may be dealing with setbacks, challenges, or even a 1030 00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:47,680 Speaker 1: negative attitude or approach to something to help them shift 1031 00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:50,440 Speaker 1: their level of optimism to believe that something is possible. 1032 00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:55,120 Speaker 1: So there's that component of it's self helping and personal development, 1033 00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:58,280 Speaker 1: and then the transition in a way from football loss 1034 00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:00,879 Speaker 1: of identity. And I think that's the big thing, right 1035 00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:05,279 Speaker 1: because you've experienced it and and and and maybe you 1036 00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:10,000 Speaker 1: can relate to it when you lose this level of 1037 00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:12,719 Speaker 1: that's been it's been so much of a part of 1038 00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:19,200 Speaker 1: who you are. Um, you're almost you're almost you're almost lost, right, Yeah, 1039 00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:22,680 Speaker 1: you're right, you're you're like, oh, well, I've been told 1040 00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:25,200 Speaker 1: what to do so for so long? When to be there? 1041 00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:27,359 Speaker 1: How to do that? I had a routine, I had 1042 00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:31,319 Speaker 1: familiarity with my surroundings and you know, and and I 1043 00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:34,200 Speaker 1: could basically week to week, I know what I was doing. Well, 1044 00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:36,840 Speaker 1: what happened when you take that away? Right? So, now 1045 00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:40,480 Speaker 1: here you are, as let's say, an early fortunate right 1046 00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:43,600 Speaker 1: late twenties or early thirties. Now you're having to deal 1047 00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:45,920 Speaker 1: with a lot of things that people who graduated high 1048 00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:47,840 Speaker 1: school with you, are graduated college with you. For the 1049 00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:50,680 Speaker 1: last decade seven plus years, have been able to have 1050 00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:56,440 Speaker 1: managed one, um, time management, you know, for two routine, 1051 00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:00,520 Speaker 1: you know, relationship management. And it's just I mean I 1052 00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:02,640 Speaker 1: can go down a gamut, right, I mean, how one 1053 00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:04,960 Speaker 1: feels about themselves, right. I mean, I don't know how 1054 00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:06,920 Speaker 1: you felt when when you when you weren't playing anymore, 1055 00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:09,719 Speaker 1: but I felt like not a little less than but 1056 00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:13,440 Speaker 1: I felt like this sense of belonging. I lost my tribe. No, 1057 00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:16,000 Speaker 1: I mean I was looking the mirror for a while. 1058 00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:18,839 Speaker 1: I didn't even recognize who I was anymore. I was like, 1059 00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:20,919 Speaker 1: it's I don't even like, there's Turbot, but I don't 1060 00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:24,239 Speaker 1: who who is Turbo? Yeah? Who is that guy? And 1061 00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:29,160 Speaker 1: who am I? Who am I? Yeah? Right? And and 1062 00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:32,719 Speaker 1: and so that that level of what you know, I 1063 00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:37,400 Speaker 1: call it this you know, psychological roller coaster, right, of 1064 00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:44,399 Speaker 1: both emotion, personal and self value? Um, you know physical right, 1065 00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:47,840 Speaker 1: because I mean, look, the other part is that we're healing, 1066 00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:53,040 Speaker 1: like our body is healing, right, It's it's my mind 1067 00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:57,240 Speaker 1: is in a different space and I'm trying to figure 1068 00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:00,120 Speaker 1: out who the hell I am, what the hell I 1069 00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:02,280 Speaker 1: want to do? What am I supposed to be doing today? 1070 00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:06,600 Speaker 1: And then who? Right? And there's there's so it's a 1071 00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:09,120 Speaker 1: it's a big it's a big roller coaster to navigate, 1072 00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:12,239 Speaker 1: and um, you know, so I also I want to 1073 00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:14,600 Speaker 1: just put that in words and put that in in 1074 00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:17,960 Speaker 1: the book so I can help players like yourself who 1075 00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,520 Speaker 1: came after me, and I can share what that story 1076 00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:25,400 Speaker 1: was and perhaps even in some way inspire other players 1077 00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:29,920 Speaker 1: to find that transition faster. And so a lot of 1078 00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:33,600 Speaker 1: the things that I'm even doing now, um, you know, 1079 00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:38,360 Speaker 1: with helping former players is helping them identify get early 1080 00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:42,160 Speaker 1: skills while they're playing so they can help so they 1081 00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:44,640 Speaker 1: can pivot faster. And it's a lot different now. I mean, 1082 00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:47,400 Speaker 1: you know, with social media and technology and brand awareness 1083 00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:51,040 Speaker 1: and you know this. You know the programs, the NFLPA 1084 00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:53,400 Speaker 1: and stuff, all of it, right, it's it's really helping 1085 00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:59,400 Speaker 1: players transition a lot faster. Yeah, amazing man. Well they 1086 00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:01,400 Speaker 1: might ever call JB because that's what I'm just about 1087 00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:06,560 Speaker 1: to do. Appreciate you coming on the show, Big Play Babs. 1088 00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:10,960 Speaker 1: Episode two in the books, y'all stay tuned next week, 1089 00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:20,000 Speaker 1: episode three coming live. Not a special guest though, I imagine, 1090 00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:24,680 Speaker 1: not a special guest though. Appreciate everybody listening. Tune in 1091 00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:26,480 Speaker 1: next week. He's