1 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody, Welcome to the Renee Stunstam's podcast. 2 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 2: I'm here in New York with Kate Thompson. 3 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 3: We have recovered from the US Open, have we? I 4 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 3: mean I was down for the count for like a 5 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:27,480 Speaker 3: solid week. 6 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 2: You know what did me? 7 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 1: And actually we didn't discuss this after the US Open 8 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: because we were still like high on the supply of 9 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 1: the US Open. 10 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 2: But what did me in was the first week? Can I? Yeah, 11 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 2: the extra week really grant to tweet dust. 12 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 1: Well, also you had all those great things going on 13 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: with racket down at the pier, the seaport, and and 14 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 1: so I did stuff there, and I was like back 15 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:52,599 Speaker 1: and forth from the city and to this. I mean, 16 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 1: so I'm going to confess something, Caitlin and to our viewers. 17 00:00:57,240 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 2: This happens from time to time. 18 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 1: But so so, I don't know when Coco played Isla Tomlanovitch. 19 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 2: I think it was a Monday night. Was it Monday night? Yeah? 20 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 2: I think that's right. 21 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:07,960 Speaker 1: So I actually had I stay out the I stayed 22 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: out at LaGuardia Hotel. I won't say which one because 23 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 1: I don't want any stock is coming to find me. 24 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 2: But here's not that many. 25 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:17,399 Speaker 1: But anyway, I stay at LaGuardia during the time during 26 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: the US Open because it is literally a ten minute 27 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 1: car ride from there to the court. So if you 28 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: are a tennis fan, honestly and you really dearly only 29 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:28,040 Speaker 1: want to go to the tennis and you don't, you're 30 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 1: not listen. I stayed in LaGuardia. 31 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 2: I see. 32 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 3: I thought this was if you're a tennis fan and 33 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:35,680 Speaker 3: you want to starck your favorite athletes, And I was like, well, 34 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 3: you're prospecting, You're an anti staking. 35 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 2: You stock your athletes. 36 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 1: You need to be in the city, but the athletes 37 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 1: in the city, but the But if you're a tennis 38 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: nut and you'll. 39 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 3: Commentator, stay in the Warrior, that makes sense. So I geah, 40 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:46,960 Speaker 3: I guess you're right. You could just commute ten minutes 41 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 3: instead of literally totally. 42 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: So anyway, my point in telling you this is I 43 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 1: do live in the city. Of course, we're sitting in 44 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: my apartment. But I was able to go home a 45 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: bit this year because our schedules allowed us. And the 46 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 1: first I always stay at home, and so I didn't 47 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 1: have to work on Monday night and I didn't have 48 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: to work until a little bit later on Tuesday, so 49 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:08,959 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I'm going to go home. 50 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 2: I mean, who doesn't want to sleep in their own bed? 51 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:10,640 Speaker 1: Right? 52 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 2: So I come home. 53 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:15,799 Speaker 1: I'm watching Cocos match with Eyler. I am so fucking 54 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 1: tired from the from the fan week, yeah, and the 55 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 1: you know Stars of the Night or whatever Stars at 56 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 1: the Open and you know all the things that happened. 57 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 1: It was one all in the third set and it 58 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:28,359 Speaker 1: was like literally nine point thirty and I went to bed. 59 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 2: No, I didn't even watch the third set. 60 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: I just got on you so unlike me and I 61 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:35,920 Speaker 1: work because I'm literally up till midnight or one. Like, 62 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: I text you at like midnight, and I know I'm 63 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:39,360 Speaker 1: going to get a text at seven in the morning, 64 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 1: which I'm not going to read until like eight thirty. 65 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 2: I'm traily six fifteen. 66 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:44,079 Speaker 1: But I don't even know why I text you, but 67 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:45,679 Speaker 1: I want you to have it at seven in that 68 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: that's good. 69 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 2: We have her own system of communicator. And when you 70 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 2: don't hear from me until like nine am, you know, 71 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 2: or she just woke up. Yeah. 72 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:52,640 Speaker 1: So anyway, my point in telling you is I was 73 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 1: wrecked up the first week of fan Week and I 74 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 1: fell asleep, didn't even watch Cocos match, woke up the 75 00:02:57,600 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: next morning, watched the third set, so I knew what 76 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:03,079 Speaker 1: the hell had happened, and but I got about ten 77 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: hours sleep that night, and I was I was back. 78 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 2: Oh, I was back for two weeks after that, and 79 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 2: then what happened, I was pretty good. Like the schedule 80 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 2: was not crazy. We didn't have Uber late nights this year. 81 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: I had the one o'clock in the morning match of 82 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: Osaka and Anissam over and everyone's asked me, what was 83 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 1: your favorite match? That For me, that was the best match. Yeah, 84 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 1: it was just drama. And as I said as a commentator, 85 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 1: you're I was like, oh man, that first semi was 86 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 1: so good. Damn mine's not going to be as good. 87 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 2: And then it was better. Yeah. So anyway, so I 88 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 2: don't even know why we got into the USO. Oh, 89 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 2: I was on the plate. I was. I had the 90 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 2: plague for like five days. You did, and you still 91 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 2: sound a little stuffy. I know I'm still a nantibatic, 92 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 2: so fuck, but I didn't give it to me. When 93 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:44,119 Speaker 2: you came over. 94 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 3: I think I am you attempted to me. I sort 95 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 3: of did a caughe you or something. Anyway, I I 96 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 3: just went too hard for too long and now we're 97 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 3: back aout now, I will say, and I want to 98 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 3: sort of get into this. 99 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 2: I love tennis. We both do. We have tennis so 100 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 2: so much. We have a podcast about it. 101 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 3: We have a podcast about it, one of the longest 102 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 3: running tennis podcasts now in history. Because we do have 103 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 3: to talk about some of the newcomers, which I'm very 104 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 3: excited about. It's always fun when new people get into 105 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 3: the mix. I don't care about any tennis that's happening 106 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 3: right now, and I want to know. And I there 107 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 3: are people that I like, and I'm like, oh, Emata Kona, 108 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 3: I've enjoyed her whole season. I'm glad she won her 109 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:23,280 Speaker 3: match in Korea. Maybe I'll put it on later in 110 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 3: the background because it obviously happened overnight. 111 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 2: And egos Ciontech is playing in Korea. Egish Fiantech does 112 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 2: not need to be playing in Korea. She must be 113 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 2: getting so much money to go there. I guess appearance phase. 114 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:36,160 Speaker 3: But I just, you know, I wanted to talk about 115 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:38,839 Speaker 3: this because I think one of the things that's so 116 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 3: fantastic about this year in tennis, and you know, the 117 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:44,279 Speaker 3: mix the US US have been got sort of the 118 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 3: diehards were sort of I think, I don't say alienated, 119 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:51,160 Speaker 3: but the diehards felt like, oh, okay, well now we've 120 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,039 Speaker 3: like fully given this tournament over to the newcomers, which 121 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:56,799 Speaker 3: I get their point. There's a lot of people taking selfies, 122 00:04:56,800 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 3: not paying attention to the tennis. The grounds are act 123 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 3: because USTA just sells so many tickets. 124 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 2: Some would say, you know, they're shaking the seating next year. 125 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 3: Well, before we get into that, I just kind of 126 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 3: want to make the larger point that, like with the 127 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 3: influx of new fans and the record viewership and record 128 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:15,719 Speaker 3: ticket sales and record sales of Honeyduces and all this 129 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:19,159 Speaker 3: stuff and TV writings and TV ratings, like, it's all 130 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 3: for me net positive. Sometimes it comes maybe at the 131 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 3: expense of people who are diehards who like to have 132 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:26,599 Speaker 3: you know, the grand stand to themselves. But I think 133 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:28,280 Speaker 3: this is a good problem to have. It means the 134 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 3: sport is growing. And I also want to encourage people 135 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 3: who only go to the US Open or only see 136 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 3: this one tournament to go to other ones because a 137 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 3: lot of them are much much much better now. 138 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:40,239 Speaker 2: In different ways, in different ways. 139 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not just slight the US Open, but nothing 140 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 3: based spanning, not very beatsks. 141 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:49,839 Speaker 1: I will say this, nothing beats the the. 142 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 2: Manic, crazy light, crazy shit that. 143 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: Happens unless you're in a nosebleed seating. You can't move down. 144 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 1: Oh my god, you're there. Well, this and Nash Stadium 145 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:58,600 Speaker 1: is the worst. It's not a great stadium in the world. 146 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 3: Now again, my point I'm bringing this up is not 147 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 3: to debate the pros and cons of the US Open, 148 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 3: but rather to say, you know, we have this fantastic 149 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 3: culmination of a summer series. We go from Australia into 150 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:13,479 Speaker 3: you know, the Middle East, the South America, we go 151 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 3: all these places, we go to Europe for a time, 152 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 3: then we come back to the States. 153 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 2: We have this hardcourt series. 154 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 3: We have amazing matches, and then the US Open happens 155 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:24,720 Speaker 3: and it's like amazing. Caroll Bouchard, a French writer on 156 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 3: her sub stack, made the very very excellent point and 157 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 3: framing it as you know, if you go to a play, 158 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 3: a three act play, you don't want all the action 159 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 3: to happen in the second act and then the second 160 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 3: act be the big exciting stuff, and then what's happening 161 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:41,159 Speaker 3: in the third act, and it does feel like tennis 162 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 3: is now having the third act of the season, where 163 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 3: there's exhibitions, there's some tournaments in Asia. 164 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 1: There's Billy Jing King cupsky Sa Billaging King Cup, I've 165 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 1: a Cup, Labor Cup. Who like even cares about Labor Cup? 166 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 1: And so is this the best and most exciting third act? 167 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 1: And some would say, while we've got the two finals 168 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 1: and everyone cares about that, And I would say, do 169 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 1: they some people care about that. I get that there's 170 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:05,839 Speaker 1: a lot of money involved in it. Obviously it's not 171 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 1: a new topic because we've talked about this before. But 172 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 1: I just I think she raises a good point, which is, 173 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 1: especially with the influx of new fans, what is keeping 174 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: them around and what is the sort of follow up 175 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: dessert course. 176 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 3: Of the US Open? And if this is it, then 177 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 3: I think we have to rethink it. Not only because 178 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 3: the players are all you know, dead and bloodied and 179 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 3: buried along the way kind of thing, because they're all 180 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 3: exhausted and a lot of them are doing this out 181 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 3: of either appearance fee or national pride. Right now, we're 182 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 3: watching Paula Badosa play Elina Spadelina, you know, to a 183 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:41,679 Speaker 3: crowd of tens in Shenzen for Billageing King Cup, and it's. 184 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 2: Like, well, I love those players, but what are we doing? 185 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 3: So I don't know that I have the answer to that, 186 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 3: but it does feel like it's an emergency. 187 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 2: I think this is more than ten Let's just be honest. 188 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 2: This this actually. 189 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:57,559 Speaker 3: Brought ten people. But my point is it's not a packed, 190 00:07:57,640 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 3: rollicking stadium. 191 00:07:59,200 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. 192 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: Well, it's hot to see how many people are there 193 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 1: because they don't show the full stadium, and from what 194 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 1: I can see, there's an entire box on the right 195 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 1: that's got one person in it. But the first ten 196 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 1: rows look pretty full. It's just what's after that. 197 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 3: I think it's hard to say that this is probably 198 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 3: drawing the in prison crowds that it deserves. 199 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, we couldn't argue that. 200 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, listen, yeah, it's we've talked about this 201 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: a lot in the pod over the years, and it's 202 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 1: like after the US Open, everyone does think that tennis 203 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 1: is over. You know, from a from a macro standpoint, 204 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: I think we tennis players it's not a joy to 205 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:46,199 Speaker 1: like schlap over to Asia and spend like a month 206 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 1: over there, because you just feel like you're so far 207 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 1: from everything unless you're Asian. Unless you're Asian, it's amazing. 208 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 1: Like for Chinese players or you know, any of the 209 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 1: Asian players, it's great. They can fly like two hours 210 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 1: and they don't get that opportunity. As an Australian, I 211 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: get that, and I understand out of and it's not 212 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: great and it's not easy. But yeah, I mean, but 213 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 1: how do we solve this because you know, the amount 214 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 1: of money that Billy jan Kin Cup is offering now 215 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 1: is enormous. Like God, when I played, if I was 216 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 1: getting like five grand I just represent my country and 217 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 1: like take away prize money, I was having a good day. 218 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:19,839 Speaker 1: Now they're winning hundreds of thousand, thousands of dollars to 219 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:24,079 Speaker 1: play in it. So the fact that Gainbridge and all 220 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 1: these great sponsors and Billy and Alana have done an 221 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 1: amazing job with all these sort of like sponsors to 222 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 1: come in and support support the w to support the 223 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 1: Billy Jean King Cup. But it just it just maybe 224 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 1: if they continue to have it, there becomes like something 225 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 1: that and I do, like I said this to you 226 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 1: before we start the pod, I do like the fact 227 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 1: that it is in Shenzen for one reason only all 228 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:48,679 Speaker 1: the players are going to Asia, They're going to Beijing, 229 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: They're going there, and so this is a way for 230 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 1: them to start the Asian tour. So I like that 231 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 1: concept a lot. The problem is, you're not going to 232 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 1: get people from Spain going to Shenzhen. You're not going 233 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:02,439 Speaker 1: to get people from Ukraine going to Shenzen. 234 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 2: You're not going to get. 235 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: People from the Czech Republic really going to Shenzen. So 236 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 1: who are you, you know before? Who is this for 237 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 1: homo spectators? 238 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 3: But I mean, I think part of my point is 239 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 3: maybe the location, which I get, and I think that 240 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:16,199 Speaker 3: you're right, you're making a good point about the time 241 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:19,680 Speaker 3: zone and acclimating to you know, that. 242 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:20,199 Speaker 2: Part of the world. 243 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 3: I actually mean it less because I think, you know, 244 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 3: I was watching some of the Davis Cup, which was 245 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 3: other places in the last few weeks, and it's it's 246 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 3: also not it's it to me. It has more to 247 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 3: do with a calendar than it has to do with the. 248 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 2: Location the finals. At least it's true. 249 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 1: But this is the BJK Cup is the finals right now, 250 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 1: so it's going to be done right right, whereas the 251 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 1: guys are not done until like freaking November. 252 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 2: It's a joke. 253 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 3: I just I'm sort of challenging the notion because I 254 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 3: think I am somebody who wants tennis in Asia, I'm 255 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 3: somebody who wants tennis in Latin America. I'm somebody who 256 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 3: wants tennis a lot of different places, because I think 257 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 3: that's one of the coolest parts of our sport is 258 00:10:56,640 --> 00:11:00,120 Speaker 3: we have players and fans all over the world. I 259 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:04,599 Speaker 3: don't think that the tournament in shinzen Is is not 260 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 3: a good idea because of fanship and sponsors. Although you know, 261 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 3: you can always have the conversation, I think it's a 262 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 3: bad idea because it's hard to care about anything after 263 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 3: the US Open, including the tour finals, which you know, 264 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 3: you could put in the same category, which is like 265 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 3: you know, the piff rankings and everyone who the race 266 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 3: to the thing, and it's like, well, do if any 267 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 3: player on the tour still if you say you could 268 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 3: be number one at the end of the year, or 269 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:30,559 Speaker 3: you could win a slam, yeah, they're going to say 270 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 3: slam one of the players, Yeah, Yanny. 271 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 2: People that say they don't want to win a slam. 272 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 1: Wheelchair got to number one in the world and didn't 273 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 1: get a slam, and didn't get a slam. I'm sure, 274 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 1: like you know, uh, Carolina Pliskova. 275 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 3: Carolina Pliskova, or I'm thinking about uh, you know the 276 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:49,679 Speaker 3: Russian player, uh with this crazy serve. 277 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 2: Remember her, she wanted silver medal at the Olympics. They 278 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 2: got to number one. 279 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 1: Was a Serbian friend, who oh, Yolena Yankovic Jankovic, who 280 00:11:58,400 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 1: can forget Ilena? 281 00:11:59,240 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, That's what I'm saying. 282 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 1: They would absolutely like like Eva Mayoli won the French Open, 283 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:05,959 Speaker 1: didn't get to number one, I think she would take 284 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 1: the French Ope. 285 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 2: And I've been getting to number one. I think so. 286 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:10,319 Speaker 2: So I think there is. 287 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: I mean, they're both amazing, but I think you don't 288 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 1: want one without the other. 289 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 3: I think what why this feels pertinent to me this 290 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:20,680 Speaker 3: year more than past times when we've talked about it 291 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 3: and it has remained true, is that now tennis, very 292 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:31,319 Speaker 3: clearly from a outside in perspective, has been succeeding in 293 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 3: on the upswing, both recreational and people spectating the pro game. 294 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 3: From a institutional standpoint, I think a lot of these stakeholders, 295 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 3: the Grand Slams, the marketing, the brands, the athletes themselves 296 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:47,200 Speaker 3: have embraced the idea that there are a lot of 297 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 3: there's an influx of new eyeballs and new participants and 298 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 3: new people who care about it. I think that's wonderful. 299 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:54,839 Speaker 3: That's what we've sort of been waiting for. And when 300 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 3: I started record a decade ago, it was like, why 301 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:58,560 Speaker 3: are you doing tennis? It's a sport that's dying, And 302 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:00,679 Speaker 3: I was like, not to me. Now I don't have 303 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:02,319 Speaker 3: to make that case anymore. I don't have to explain 304 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:04,080 Speaker 3: why this is relevant and why people care about it 305 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 3: and why it's a larger addressable market than just people 306 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:08,320 Speaker 3: who buy rackets, because there's so many people who just 307 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 3: want to experience the lifestyle of it. Great, So what 308 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 3: are we doing from a product standpoint that's helping them? 309 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 2: And this isn't it? Yeah? 310 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 1: Well, I mean some people might argue that Asia is 311 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 1: a huge, clearly huge market and they're getting tennis there 312 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 1: and they're going to have tennis grow in that part 313 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 1: of the world. I don't know, but it is difficult. 314 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 1: We've talked about it at nauseum. I think that all 315 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 1: the other exhibitions dilute the product. I would love to see, frankly, 316 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:41,599 Speaker 1: i'd love to see combined. I think Davis Cup and 317 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: Fed Cup, Billy Jean King Cup. It's so hard for me. 318 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 1: I played Fed Cup for like twenty years. But the 319 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 1: BJK Cup and Davis Cup are so important to the 320 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 1: grassroots of sport of tennis in every country. There's nothing 321 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 1: like representing your country. It was my favorite weeks of 322 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 1: the year was playing in BJK Cup for Australia. There 323 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 1: were some of the most memorable weeks. So these weeks 324 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: are great. But and you do have a team bonding, 325 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:13,439 Speaker 1: it doesn't really matter where you are, so I think 326 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 1: it's really important. I just think we need to as 327 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:17,679 Speaker 1: a as a as a sport really come up with 328 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: the best product and whatever that means. And I think 329 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 1: a mixed event would be amazing. Whether you know, Hopman 330 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 1: Cup was great at the start of the year. I 331 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 1: think that's an opportunity to do it. I mean, we do, 332 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 1: they do have a Hopman Cup. It was again earlier 333 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 1: this year. Nobody remembered it or knew about it. Italy 334 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 1: won it in Italy and it was crazy crowds and 335 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 1: it was amazing, But the only people that cared about 336 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 1: it were Italy in Italy because nobody else saw it 337 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: unless you were like glue to it. On Tennis channel 338 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 1: and not. I mean I'm a tennis fan and I 339 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: forgot about it. I didn't even know what was happening 340 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 1: because it was after Wimbledon, so everyone's like, Okay, what's next, 341 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 1: yous Open? 342 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 2: So that's sort of the problem. 343 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: And then we're having issues like after Wimbledon, people are 344 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 1: pulling out of the Canadian tournaments like Sinner and our 345 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 1: Carez and you know, Sablanka and all this, and then 346 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: you know, we also wanted to talk about the fact 347 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 1: that like Sabalalanka is pulled out of Beijing, that's not tomorrow, 348 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 1: that's like it's in two weeks. You know, the fact 349 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 1: that she's. 350 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 3: Already decided that she's essentially shutting down a chunk of 351 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 3: the season. 352 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 1: And she said for a minor injury. So what does 353 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 1: that even mean? So she just here's the deal. These 354 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 1: players have decided, and she's going to take a zero 355 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 1: point there. She doesn't care she's gonna have to pay 356 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 1: a fine. Oh no, she might not have to pay 357 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 1: a fine because she isn't a quote unquote injury, right, 358 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 1: So but she's not playing there. Eager is pulled out 359 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 1: of Korea, you know, Anissimova pulled out of Korea as well, 360 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 1: because these tournaments are too close to a Grand Slam. 361 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 1: And I feel sorry for those tournaments because they literally 362 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 1: are putting on their one event all year and spending 363 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 1: a lot of money and trying to get the sponsors. 364 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 1: And it's hard to continually get sponsors if the top 365 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 1: players pull out. And I get the whole big picture, 366 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 1: but I mean, these players are their own bosses and 367 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 1: they have to take care of their own body and 368 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 1: their own mind. 369 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's a lot fucking season. 370 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think all to me, all of this, Yes, 371 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 3: we can innovate around the mix. I think that's a 372 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 3: great idea to mix BJK and Davis. It's not the 373 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 3: first time that's been suggested. I think it's a brilliant idea. 374 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 3: I think it again leans into the thing that is 375 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 3: the most exciting about our sport, which is that that's. 376 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 1: An opportunity to have a week ten day event instead 377 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 1: of these mustas and WT at one thousands having a 378 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 1: ten day event, I'm just ruining the calendar. 379 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 2: The schedule is broken. Because the schedule is broken. It's broken, 380 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 2: and it's broken. 381 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 3: It's broken, and the amount of time and you know, 382 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 3: I see the tennis world from a little bit of 383 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 3: a different perspective because I see all these like pitch 384 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 3: decks circulating for people trying to raise money for new 385 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 3: business ideas, which is exciting and cool. And don't get 386 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 3: me wrong, like I love the fact that tennis is 387 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 3: now being identified as a place where there's growth possible 388 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 3: again for the same reasons I was just talking about, 389 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 3: where people are like, oh, it's dying. Who cares, I'm 390 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 3: going to invest in pickleball instead. It's like cool, good, 391 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 3: have fun with that, reaching a down market audience with 392 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 3: a dying dumb I believe you even brought that. We 393 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 3: with a you know, with a dying populace of participants. 394 00:16:56,000 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 3: But I do think the you know, the business opportunity 395 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 3: isn't exhibition. 396 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 2: It's not more exhibitions. 397 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 3: It's like, I know, we'll get an exhibition and we'll 398 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 3: put on the calendar and we'll get the best players available. 399 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:11,920 Speaker 3: It's like, well, respectfully, like labor Cup is happening right now, 400 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 3: does Roger Feder have to go to it to make 401 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:18,159 Speaker 3: people care about it? And even now do they? I 402 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:21,879 Speaker 3: don't think so, you know, it's it's San Francisco is 403 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 3: getting an event, which is great. They California has been bereft. Yeah, 404 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 3: we had weside women's events there for a long long time. 405 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 3: You know the fact that Los Angeles doesn't have an 406 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 3: event that San Francisco after losing San Jose, which you 407 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:35,440 Speaker 3: know is a different city, but essentially the Bay Area 408 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 3: lost its major women's event a couple of years ago. Like, 409 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 3: you know, you want to bring tennis to these places. 410 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 3: On the other hand, it's like, is Labor Cup. 411 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: Yes, And I just, well, it's only going to be 412 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 1: there one time and then it's gone. 413 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 3: I just I don't see the exhibition. To me a 414 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:56,680 Speaker 3: strong body of tours and I think I'm probably ready 415 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:58,440 Speaker 3: to say like, I'm not sure the tours bring much 416 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:00,959 Speaker 3: value to the tennis world. All they seem to do 417 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:04,720 Speaker 3: is want to do their own commercial deals and market 418 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:07,479 Speaker 3: the players poorly, and they don't have any brand equity 419 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 3: in and of themselves. 420 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 2: I don't know what they do outside. That's the problem. 421 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:13,399 Speaker 3: Provide insurance to me, an actual players union where they 422 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:15,440 Speaker 3: can just deal with one body on the other side 423 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:18,159 Speaker 3: of the negotiating table is so obviously the answer. It's like, okay, 424 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 3: great that the Slams consolidate and the players negotiate directly 425 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 3: with them. They decide on a calendar, and they decide 426 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:28,920 Speaker 3: on a series of rules, and then Bob's your uncle. 427 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 3: Like other sports have figured this out, and I get 428 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:32,919 Speaker 3: that people don't want to give up. 429 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:34,920 Speaker 1: They don't want to give up their small tournaments and 430 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 1: they don't want to give up their little thing. 431 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:39,719 Speaker 3: And yeah, I mean it's outside pressure now between capital 432 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:43,399 Speaker 3: and fanship has made this undeniable and it's going to happen. 433 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:45,199 Speaker 3: So to me, it's just like which side do you 434 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:46,119 Speaker 3: want to be on? And you want to be on 435 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 3: the side that's you know, that's foot forward, that's sort 436 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:51,159 Speaker 3: of leading what the future looks like. 437 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:53,879 Speaker 2: I don't care. I mean, we sit on We're going 438 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 2: to be going to be round nom matter what. 439 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:58,200 Speaker 3: We're talking to the audience, and we're talking to people 440 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:01,160 Speaker 3: who want to understan and need to understand and need 441 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 3: to have the context. It's more just like, you know, 442 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 3: I don't have a strong opinion whether it's private equity 443 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 3: from any particular country, whether it's you know, who wins 444 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 3: and who loses. Probably you know the amoratis are in 445 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:15,160 Speaker 3: there as well. Yeah, that's not to stop an American 446 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 3: or North American Consortium. 447 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 2: You know, Bill Gates, Bill Gates, it doesn't matter, you 448 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 2: got all the money. 449 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 3: It's more just like, let's have this happen already so 450 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 3: that the product could be optimized, and so we don't 451 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 3: have a brilliant group of players half dead from playing 452 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 3: too long a season, playing a bunch of stuff in 453 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 3: places that should have events that are hard to draw 454 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:39,159 Speaker 3: attention and fanship too. So that's to me the biggest 455 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 3: missed opportunity. And I just like, we have to fix 456 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 3: our third act. 457 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, we have talked about that a lot, and we 458 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 1: have to keep talking about it. And we're sorry if 459 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:51,680 Speaker 1: we bored you on that. But Caitlyn came in here 460 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:53,439 Speaker 1: red hot on it today. 461 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:56,879 Speaker 3: Caitlin, Well, we can't talk about the Tenus because nobody's 462 00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:57,959 Speaker 3: we haven't watched very much of it. 463 00:19:58,000 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 2: Well, we haven't watched a lot of it. 464 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:01,439 Speaker 1: And that just show me that my interest, even my 465 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 1: interest level on it, it's it's it's hard to get 466 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 1: back up. And I wanted to take I'll be honest 467 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 1: with you, I wanted to take a break from watching 468 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 1: tennis for the last week because I'd watched so much 469 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 1: tennis over the last couple of months. Speaking of Asia, 470 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 1: let's talk about Taylor Townsend's. 471 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 2: Little whoopsie doopsy. 472 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 1: She's getting a little bit of flak over on her 473 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 1: Instagram TikTok or whatever. 474 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:32,479 Speaker 3: T Tanden went to China and made fun of all 475 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 3: of their food. 476 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 1: It was a couple of things that she particularly made 477 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 1: fun of. Not gonna lie, it didn't look great either. 478 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 1: But I think lived in China. I've lived in China. 479 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:44,920 Speaker 1: I have eaten everything in China. Have you eaten those 480 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:48,680 Speaker 1: things that she one of them? I bogs on sticks. 481 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:49,680 Speaker 1: I ate every kind of meat. 482 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 2: You eat? 483 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 3: That frog that she was talking about, I've been frog, yeah, 484 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:53,440 Speaker 3: in China, both. 485 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 2: Frog in fact. And how was it just out of curiosity? 486 00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:58,199 Speaker 2: Not to my taste? 487 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:00,680 Speaker 3: But is it like snails out of As a parent, 488 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 3: you teach your kids not to yuck somebody else is young. 489 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:06,399 Speaker 3: It's sort of like a fundamental thing about life. Yeah, Like, 490 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:09,160 Speaker 3: what are you doing, bro, especially when you're gonna get 491 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,919 Speaker 3: everybody's sympathy on your side for having been on the 492 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:15,439 Speaker 3: receiving end of a you know, nasty outburst from ilen 493 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:18,119 Speaker 3: Asta Penco. Like, do I think this is a capital offence? 494 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:18,680 Speaker 2: No? 495 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 3: But I don't like when any American goes anywhere. You know, 496 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 3: you talk to like the John Isners of the world 497 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 3: and they're like, yeah, I hated going to Europe because 498 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:28,680 Speaker 3: they don't have a olive garden, and you're like, that's 499 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:33,399 Speaker 3: embarrassing for you, that's embarrassing. So like show some curiosity 500 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 3: about the space you're living in and maybe don't make 501 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:37,199 Speaker 3: fun of it. I you know, I'm not ready to 502 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 3: like get on Taylor Townsend too much about this, but 503 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 3: I just think like Nobo lived in that part of 504 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:43,879 Speaker 3: the world, and part of the cool thing about tennis 505 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 3: is it takes you all the different places very much. 506 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 3: Is anybody forcing you to eat any of this? 507 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 2: No, listen, Yea said. 508 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:53,119 Speaker 1: I went to lunch with Kichita Matinez in Barcelona this 509 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 1: one time, and she was ordering all this food. 510 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 2: I'm telling you this for a reason. 511 00:21:57,800 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 1: She was ordering all this food and then she's like, yeah, 512 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 1: try this this and I ate it and she goes, 513 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:03,879 Speaker 1: that's you know, that's pig's blood, and I go, excuse me. 514 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 1: I was like, first of all, you could have told 515 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 1: me that, but it was like this like patty thing 516 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,439 Speaker 1: of whatever, and she told me what it was and 517 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,680 Speaker 1: I was like, I want to die. But it's like, 518 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 1: I think the problem is when you have a platform, 519 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,199 Speaker 1: and when you have a large platform and you go 520 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 1: on your tiktoks and your instagrams you have and look, 521 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:25,159 Speaker 1: we've all done it. 522 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 2: We've all fucked up. 523 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 1: We've all put shit out that we probably regret putting 524 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:30,440 Speaker 1: out at some point you included Caitlin. 525 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of Eastern Europe doesn't love me. 526 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:37,199 Speaker 1: And for good reason. Fair, for good reason, we've all 527 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:41,199 Speaker 1: done it. But you have to recognize if you have 528 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:44,160 Speaker 1: a big platform, you have to say to yourself, what 529 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:48,440 Speaker 1: does this insinuate? And what am I. 530 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 2: Saying in this situation? 531 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:53,920 Speaker 1: And yes, maybe most people don't want to eat frogs, 532 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:56,160 Speaker 1: but at the same time. 533 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 3: Most people from North America maybe exactly, so you have 534 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:01,159 Speaker 3: to from North America. 535 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 1: But to your team, dinners, Ye, go to your team dinners. 536 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:08,119 Speaker 1: I've been to many at BJK Cup and you can 537 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,440 Speaker 1: laugh about stuff and say whatever you want to your 538 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 1: fellow teammates and your team, but you have to be 539 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 1: real careful what you put out. And I'm I'm sure 540 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 1: she is obviously knowing that right about now, but yes, I. 541 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:24,360 Speaker 2: Mean, is it is it going to Is it going 542 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 2: to change the world? 543 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 3: No? 544 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 2: Did she mean was she being mean about it? 545 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 1: Like? 546 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:31,119 Speaker 2: Was she being a terrible person? 547 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 1: No? 548 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 2: But you just have to be real careful. 549 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, I just I just like full philosophically, I wouldn't 550 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 3: yuck somebody's young, Like, what's the point of that. But 551 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:40,160 Speaker 3: I do think that that gives us a nice transition 552 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 3: into speaking of platforms, which is the. 553 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 2: Rise of. 554 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 3: People in the digital space making content, particularly players. We 555 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 3: have two new podcasts. Some of the most popular podcasts 556 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,640 Speaker 3: now in the space are the Andi Ratic Served podcast. 557 00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 3: I talked to Jessica Testa for The New York Times 558 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 3: about why I think that's a successful one and why 559 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 3: I think a lot of these outsider shows, even if 560 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 3: they're hosted by pros, are super additive to the space. 561 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:11,119 Speaker 3: And then right off the back of that, obviously we 562 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,920 Speaker 3: have nothing major with four you know, former pro male players. 563 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:18,119 Speaker 3: Now we have the Player's Box, which is you know, 564 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 3: Mattie Keys, Jess Pagoula does Jenny Brady crab. 565 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,119 Speaker 2: Check and Anny Brady. 566 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,919 Speaker 1: Then the Williams Sisters yes getting into the mix actually 567 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 1: today launching their show on Days which I'm do. 568 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 2: You think your audience will be the same as this. 569 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:33,680 Speaker 2: I probably Yeah. 570 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 1: I mean I think people I love your enth No 571 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 1: think here's the thing, this is what between. 572 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 2: To our audience size. 573 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. 574 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,880 Speaker 3: No, but I think people who like tennis content are 575 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 3: and also we know from podcast consumption habits, people don't 576 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 3: just listen to one thing. 577 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 2: No, they don't. 578 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,400 Speaker 1: And I think that's like when we you know, we're 579 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 1: not sitting here going oh andy Roddick is going to 580 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 1: take our audience or you know, Serena and Venus nos. 581 00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 1: People love tennis and people want different voices in tennis, 582 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 1: and you know a Venus and Serain are going to 583 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: talk about the nuances of the Asia swing. 584 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 2: No. 585 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,359 Speaker 3: No, I hope to learn so much more about them. 586 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:11,200 Speaker 3: I think they're so fascinating. Like some of the things 587 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 3: I always wanted to know more about is, you know, 588 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 3: the fact that they live in France, the fact that 589 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,159 Speaker 3: they are art collectors, like oh yeah, the fact that 590 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:20,159 Speaker 3: they're going to learn. 591 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,679 Speaker 1: A lot more obviously things about them that I know, 592 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 1: but also that they should know about them to make them, 593 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 1: you know, not just seeing as these incredible athletes. 594 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 3: I got I got asked this a lot, like in 595 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 3: the last couple of years. There was an Italian magazine 596 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,639 Speaker 3: that started about tennis called Dropshot. There was a British 597 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:42,159 Speaker 3: magazine that started called Bageld. There's a fun quarterly zine 598 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,159 Speaker 3: in Portland called Tennis Portland Tennis Quarterly. Like to me, 599 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:49,160 Speaker 3: the fact that Racket sits alongside other really cool titles 600 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:50,919 Speaker 3: from different parts of the world, Like I read all 601 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 3: of them, like it's cool. I collect all of them. 602 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 3: I don't you know, I don't view Bigel as a threat. 603 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:56,919 Speaker 3: I view it as like, oh, this is cool. This 604 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 3: is like a British gay man's fashion magazine that sits 605 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 3: alongside my more sort of literary magazine that sits alongside 606 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 3: like yes, and and I think for me, the whole 607 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:08,440 Speaker 3: thing that I've sort of been talking about, which is 608 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,680 Speaker 3: why I want us to so desperately fix the calendar, 609 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 3: is because tennis is getting it to do. It's getting 610 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 3: all of these different voices that it's always deserved, it's 611 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 3: getting all of these different media formats, and so to 612 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:19,200 Speaker 3: me it is additive. 613 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,640 Speaker 2: Do I like all of them? No? But like here's 614 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:21,879 Speaker 2: the thing. 615 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,199 Speaker 3: I don't want to yuck anybody's young, like you, like 616 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,440 Speaker 3: you don't want to lean into that great. 617 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,439 Speaker 1: And they don't realize that it takes its work and 618 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 1: it's not easy to like get people together and do 619 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 1: the do the thing. And so we hope all of 620 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 1: these tennis podcasts are successful because that just makes that 621 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 1: that that just makes our sport even more. 622 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 2: They will each bring in it's dimensioned sport. 623 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:51,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, And whether those those fans listen to other things 624 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 1: Lislead other things, I can't imagine they want. I was 625 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:57,359 Speaker 1: just on asy Fuds, fud Around and find Out podcasts 626 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:01,159 Speaker 1: last week, which, if anyone knows, easy Fad. She use 627 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 1: a Yukon basketball player on the national Natty team last 628 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,400 Speaker 1: year that won the national title. She's going back to Connecticut. 629 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 1: She's a huge like people you know love her and 630 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 1: she's going to be a superstar in the WNBA when 631 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,399 Speaker 1: she decides. She'll probably go number one after the season. 632 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:17,919 Speaker 1: And she's doing a podcast and I was on that 633 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:20,359 Speaker 1: she wanted to talk about tennis. She wanted to talk about, 634 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,440 Speaker 1: you know, her time at the US Open. She also 635 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 1: wanted she was also thinking, you know, it's a nice 636 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 1: audience because I come from a sporting background, blah blah blah. 637 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,680 Speaker 1: So hopefully people that listen to that are also like, oh, 638 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 1: I'm going to watch a little tennis or maybe go 639 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,680 Speaker 1: to WNBA game that are tennis fans. There's like it's 640 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 1: that you can cross promote different sports, and I think 641 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 1: it's it's only going to make it better. So one 642 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 1: interesting thing, Caitlin, that we do want to talk about 643 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 1: also is that Kadjikova and sinney Kova a playing doubles 644 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 1: together in Korea. 645 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 3: This is Barbara Kadjugova, who has won two slams in 646 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 3: singles and multiple in doubles with Caterinette Sineyakoba. Yeah, who 647 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:01,879 Speaker 3: is a fan favorite. I mean people love Kaiya Sniakova. 648 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:03,120 Speaker 3: She's a gold medalist. 649 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,920 Speaker 1: Well, arguably the best doubles player of the last ten 650 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 1: five to ten years. 651 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 3: I think this is a smart move. They're both excellent doubles. 652 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:09,679 Speaker 2: Well. 653 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 1: It's interesting to me though, that they're going back to 654 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:15,159 Speaker 1: play together because they're playing in a small tournament, so 655 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:20,680 Speaker 1: it's kind of it's it's interesting to me, so I listen, huh, 656 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:22,679 Speaker 1: I've done this a few times in my career. But 657 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 1: at certain points of the year you start looking at 658 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,359 Speaker 1: next year, who you're going to play doubles with next. 659 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,200 Speaker 2: Year, So you're saying you are predicting it. 660 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:33,400 Speaker 1: Well, what I'm predicted thinking that this is an interesting 661 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:38,959 Speaker 1: little rekindling of a doubles team. And I know Jacoba 662 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 1: has not done well in her doubles career since breaking 663 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 1: up with snow Kova. They played together since the very 664 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 1: young age, like early teenage years, like twelve thirteen, and 665 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 1: then they played together their whole career and one, you know, 666 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 1: so many Grand Slams together. You know, Look, Kat has 667 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 1: had success with Taylor, having won two I believe two 668 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 1: Grand Slams, he Strain Open, Wimbledon, but probably not the 669 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 1: success that she is used to. 670 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 3: You're saying she would have won that Gabby Debrowski Aaron 671 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 3: rautleth Us Open final had she been playing with her. 672 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 2: I don't know that think of it that that. I 673 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 2: don't know. 674 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is that this is interesting. I'm 675 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 1: just putting it out there. We'll see what happens at 676 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 1: this train Open who ends up playing together. Clearly, Taylor 677 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,719 Speaker 1: and Kudjikov have been a great team. They have already 678 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 1: qualified for the WTA finals in Riad and so I 679 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 1: don't know, stay tuned on that, because it just doesn't 680 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 1: make a lot of sense to me that they would 681 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 1: play together unless. 682 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,960 Speaker 2: Tournaments at the end of the year. So I don't 683 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 2: know if I'm breaking. 684 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 1: News or if this is just a maybe Taylor didn't 685 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 1: want to go one off here because she was scared. 686 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,719 Speaker 2: Of the food. Well she's not in Korea, because that's 687 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:48,280 Speaker 2: what he's saying. Maybe she didn't want to go. 688 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 1: She's playing Billy jing Kin Cup and the checks not 689 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 1: in it, which is a rarity because they usually dominate. 690 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 2: So I don't know throwing that out there. 691 00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 1: That's an interesting little situation, and I might be just 692 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 1: jumping to a massive conclusion. And if I am, well, 693 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 1: then so be it. Let's talk about my old player friend, 694 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 1: plishkober back playing in Lisbon for remember one in Lisbon, 695 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 1: and she won her first round in like three hours. 696 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 1: I did speak to her after the match and she 697 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,479 Speaker 1: said her body was feeling pretty good actually, which is nice. 698 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 2: But it's great to see her back. 699 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 1: Former world number one, came so close to winning a 700 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 1: major at the US Open and she lost a Cerba 701 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 1: made the semi finals a couple of times, so for me, 702 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 1: it's just nice to see somebody who had a terrible 703 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 1: injury and then came back from that terrible injury when 704 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 1: she was really playing well, made the finals of Wimbledon, 705 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 1: all the things, and then and then something crazy happened 706 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 1: with her foot at the US Open and she just 707 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 1: stopped in like the first game, and then we haven't 708 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 1: seen her since. So it's just nice to see her back. 709 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,240 Speaker 1: I'm really happy. You know, how much success is she 710 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 1: going to have coming back. 711 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:52,720 Speaker 2: I don't know. 712 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:56,600 Speaker 1: There's so many great players, but listen, with her foehand 713 00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 1: and her serve, she can get back. So I just 714 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 1: I just on a us on note. I'm really happy 715 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 1: to see her back playing. And we've had a couple 716 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:09,560 Speaker 1: of teenagers when yovic Eva is Yeah, Eva Jovis seventeen, 717 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:14,200 Speaker 1: seventeen teenagers is seven and zero on the WTA Finals Guadalahara. 718 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 2: She won Guadalajara. What an effort. She's such a great 719 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 2: little player tenacity, plus. 720 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:24,240 Speaker 3: She did not have the world's most stacked field. 721 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, but it was a smaller tournament, but just the 722 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,720 Speaker 1: fact that she won her first WTA tournament, it's pretty awesome. 723 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 1: So I want to give her big kudos. Seventeen years 724 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 1: of age and has an amazing competitive head on her shoulders, 725 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 1: so well done to her. We will be back next week, 726 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 1: hopefully talking about things that are a lot more interesting. 727 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 3: Than You can't shit on the entirety of our conversation 728 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 3: not being interesting now. 729 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 1: It's more along the lines of, like, it's this conversation 730 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 1: we've been having for so long. I just want us 731 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 1: as a tennis community to do better about promoting. 732 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 2: The sport after but how do you do that when 733 00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 2: it's in Asia? 734 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 3: It's I don't think the problem is Asia. I think 735 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 3: we need tennis in Asia. I think the problem is 736 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 3: we have to cut out a whole lot of other 737 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 3: stuff that doesn't make sense. 738 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 1: You've got the top player in the world pulling out 739 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 1: of a WTA one thousand, like three weeks before it's 740 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 1: even happening. 741 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,560 Speaker 2: That's what are we doing right? And to me, it's 742 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 2: not the fact I've got Ego playing in Korea. 743 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 3: I think the problem is not that these tournaments exist, 744 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 3: and the problem is not where they exist. I think 745 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:28,320 Speaker 3: the problem is that there's too much stuff and we 746 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 3: have mis the product. 747 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 2: It lose a product. 748 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,080 Speaker 3: There's too much stuff and it's time and I think 749 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 3: that's why we keep having this conversation because it doesn't 750 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,280 Speaker 3: get fixed. But also I think because now more than ever, 751 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 3: the tours are the weakest they've ever been. In my opinion, 752 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,720 Speaker 3: the Grand Slams are the strongest they've ever been because 753 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 3: they're the ones that command all the audience. The athletes 754 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,880 Speaker 3: themselves have individual platforms that dwarf most of these smaller tournaments, 755 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 3: and I think they actually have to create a feasible 756 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 3: body themselves or decide to empower their own tours to 757 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:00,959 Speaker 3: really advocate in their bad interest. And I also think 758 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:02,920 Speaker 3: they have to start saying no to these dumb exos 759 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 3: that don't mean anything. So for me, it's it's yeah, 760 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 3: because it's the players needing to do it. And also 761 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 3: the governing body is somebody just being an adult in 762 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 3: the room and saying, Aliso, you have to the. 763 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,880 Speaker 1: Exos are taking weeks out of the calendar that you know. 764 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,240 Speaker 1: And then this is the one thing that ticks me off. 765 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 1: It's like, and I know they're doing it for money, 766 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:20,680 Speaker 1: so it's like, good for them, get the money, get 767 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 1: the bag, get the bag players, But at the same time, 768 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:27,959 Speaker 1: you cannot complain about the tours and the weeks and 769 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:29,960 Speaker 1: how difficult it is and how many tournaments you have 770 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 1: to play and I'm emotionally drained and blah blah when 771 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,200 Speaker 1: you keep playing them. But you're playing these exhibitions and stuff. 772 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 1: And the difference is, Caitlin, you're playing exhibitions. Is no pressure, right, 773 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 1: You're just playing for the money. You don't give a shit. 774 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,160 Speaker 1: You're like, you're not like stressed out about it. You're 775 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 1: not waking up the morning going oh my god, I 776 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 1: hope win today. I hope a wind today. You just 777 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,320 Speaker 1: like taking the money. But but at this like Davis Cup, 778 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 1: not Labor Cup. No guys waking up going oh my god, 779 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 1: I hope wind to day. I mean they want to 780 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:57,600 Speaker 1: win for their teammates. Yeah, they're not even playing regular tournament. 781 00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 1: They're not playing a regular set. They're not playing like it. 782 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 1: It's just dumb. And so you can't complain about being 783 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 1: exhausted at the start of the Australian Open or exhausted 784 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,880 Speaker 1: at the end of the year playing the ATP Finals 785 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:12,160 Speaker 1: when you're playing three other exhibitions leading into that event. 786 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 2: So that's the thing. 787 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:18,080 Speaker 1: Don't complain out loud to the tours about the tours. 788 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:21,239 Speaker 1: When the tours the complaint should be you guys are 789 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:22,799 Speaker 1: letting us play exhibitions. 790 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:24,200 Speaker 2: They should be saying no. 791 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,439 Speaker 3: Like you said no, somebody's going to see now, and 792 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,359 Speaker 3: you know, hopefully it's the pressure is greater than ever 793 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:30,960 Speaker 3: from outside. 794 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,879 Speaker 1: All right, I'm that guys on playing Billy Jean king Cup. 795 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:35,840 Speaker 1: They're doing the right thing. I think you have to 796 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:39,200 Speaker 1: support Billy Jean king Cup and Davis Cup. I think 797 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,719 Speaker 1: they're very important for I think they're very important for 798 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,880 Speaker 1: the nation of the sport, the camaraderie for the sport 799 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,200 Speaker 1: I do. I love I Maybe I'm talking from a 800 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 1: personal standpoint, but I think they're really important and they're great. 801 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,960 Speaker 1: Let's just figure out a way to make these team 802 00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:59,280 Speaker 1: things and these exhibitions work better for everybody. 803 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,239 Speaker 2: On that note, thanks for joining us this week. 804 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,440 Speaker 1: Send your complaints to Caitlin send them to send them 805 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:07,920 Speaker 1: to Caitlin. 806 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:57,000 Speaker 2: Thanks, Thanks everyone, See you next week. Bye mm hmmm.