Speaker 1: Fellow conspiracy realist. We don't know where this classic episode
Speaker 1: finds you in this wide world of hours, but chances
Speaker 1: are you probably clocked the weather unless you are in
Speaker 1: a biosphere situation like poly shore.
Speaker 2: At the very biodome. Biodome, bio biosphere. It's a domosphere.
Speaker 2: They're very similar. I guess a dome dome is half
Speaker 2: a sphere.
Speaker 1: It's half a sphere.
Speaker 2: It's a HEMI in beer feed Well, speaking of weather
Speaker 2: and being locked into situations, it's also a good kind
Speaker 2: of basic way of getting to know somebody in an elevator.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, about the weather. Back in the day, talking
Speaker 1: about the weather used to be idiom in English for
Speaker 1: having boring small talk. However, as we know, the weather
Speaker 1: has become increasingly I was gonna say, Shyamalan s y
Speaker 1: you know a lot of plot twists. It was talking
Speaker 1: with our guest producer Matt the Madman Still a little
Speaker 1: while back, Boom about how difficult is one of us
Speaker 1: double birds when you said that, yeah, classic classic, Still
Speaker 1: we were talking about how difficult, and you and I
Speaker 1: were talking about this too, how difficult it has been
Speaker 1: on the road for me, especially to dress and prepare
Speaker 1: appropriately for wildly different weather.
Speaker 2: That's right. You are on your third leg of a
Speaker 2: month long journey, only the second for me. But I
Speaker 2: was really grateful we came from New York.
Speaker 3: Set.
Speaker 1: Hey, I'm sorry. I got to do the Matt Berry thing.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 2: I like this false words, absolutely true. Which it's very, very,
Speaker 2: very cold, as it is in our home city of Atlanta, Georgia,
Speaker 2: so we had to pack for super cold weather. It
Speaker 2: was actually snowing the last day we were in Brooklyn,
Speaker 2: and then we got here to Doha, Qatar, where it's
Speaker 2: very hot. But then last night we went out and
Speaker 2: it was so freaking windy. We were very grateful that
Speaker 2: we had some of those holdover cozy duds leftover from
Speaker 2: our time in New York.
Speaker 1: Oh, and Matt, Matt, I hope it's okay that I
Speaker 1: say this. Matt was freezing as we were waiting at
Speaker 1: the taxi stead and I think both and our pal
Speaker 1: Jonathan Strickland tried to give Matt our coats, and Matt,
Speaker 1: if you recall you said, no, this pain will teach me.
Speaker 2: Yes, I did this to myself, and I deserve this,
Speaker 2: and it's not nobody deserves that.
Speaker 1: And I wondered whether the weather was making Matt crazy.
Speaker 2: That's pretty good, Ben, that's pretty good. You know, we
Speaker 2: have things like seasonal depressive disorder, the SADS. Right, there
Speaker 2: are parts of the world where it stays dark all
Speaker 2: the time during certain times of the year, or some
Speaker 2: places year round, and it can cause people to get
Speaker 2: this condition where they have this depression that's literally brought
Speaker 2: on by the weather, and oftentimes they have to employ
Speaker 2: the use of kind of artificial lights, this kind of
Speaker 2: technology that will create a light that is meant to
Speaker 2: mimic sunlight so that they don't get mega bummed out.
Speaker 1: And then there's the long standing belief throughout various cultures,
Speaker 1: throughout various eras of history that the cycle of the
Speaker 1: moon and the stars may affect not just someone's personality
Speaker 1: at birth, but their behavior. You know, we've all heard
Speaker 1: I don't know how common this is, perhaps in other
Speaker 1: parts of the world, but in the United States, we've
Speaker 1: all heard anecdotes about the full moon driving people crazy,
Speaker 1: about hospitals becoming inundated with folks who just went full
Speaker 1: werewolf without the hair.
Speaker 2: That's right, of course, the idea of a werewolf's transformation,
Speaker 2: of course, being brought on or triggered by a full moon.
Speaker 1: It's something. Yeah, howling at.
Speaker 2: The moon tends to be a stand in expression for
Speaker 2: kind of losing it a little bit.
Speaker 1: And so back in twenty nineteen with our brother Matt Frederick,
Speaker 1: we asked, can the weather really make you crazy?
Speaker 2: It's a good question. Why don't we roll the tape?
Speaker 3: Ben?
Speaker 1: What do you say?
Speaker 4: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies? History is
Speaker 4: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
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Speaker 4: production of iHeart Radios How Stuff Works.
Speaker 3: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt.
Speaker 1: They call me Ben. We are joined, as always with
Speaker 1: our super producer Paul Mission control decond. Most importantly, you
Speaker 1: are You are here, and that makes this stuff. They
Speaker 1: don't want you to know. How you feeling today, Matt, I'm.
Speaker 3: Feeling feeling well. It's finally colder here, so much colder
Speaker 3: than it has been that I get to wear my
Speaker 3: you know, my black leather gloves and my big black
Speaker 3: jacket in my black hat when I'm driving, and I
Speaker 3: feel like some kind of anti super serial killer hero.
Speaker 1: Side know. Paul Michigan control deck and just chimed in
Speaker 1: with serial Killer. I don't know if I made it
Speaker 1: on the mic.
Speaker 3: No, I don't think it did. But that's why it
Speaker 3: was a super serial Killer hero.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Driving with your balaclava on.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, it just feels good.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I believe this is one of the states where
Speaker 1: it is technically illegal to operate a motor vehicle wearing
Speaker 1: a mask.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Have you heard about that?
Speaker 3: Probably, but they haven't caught me yet.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't see how that would apply to things
Speaker 1: that require helmets, like motorcycles and so on. Anyhow, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I also felt the strange switch. Suddenly we woke up
Speaker 1: and it was fall, you know, or maybe we skipped
Speaker 1: fall and it's just winter now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's getting pretty close.
Speaker 1: And you know, like many people dealing with the rapidly
Speaker 1: changing climate, we are just covering a paradigm shift in conversation.
Speaker 1: Remember those old halcyon days where it was considered boring
Speaker 1: or small talk to talk about the weather when we
Speaker 1: were growing up. That's something old people and boring people did.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think maybe we're just a little older
Speaker 3: and more.
Speaker 1: Boring that that is a valid that's a valid assertion.
Speaker 3: It's happening more frequently in my life at least.
Speaker 1: Or I would say, I would say a valid proposition,
Speaker 1: because I would I would argue that now that the
Speaker 1: weather is becoming so unpredictable and wildcard esque, we all
Speaker 1: tend to talk about the weather more because we have
Speaker 1: to check in, because no one knows what's going to happen.
Speaker 3: You know, now a valid concern it is?
Speaker 1: It is it used to. We're no longer shooting the breeze.
Speaker 1: We're we're ensuring people's safety and livelihood. You don't know.
Speaker 1: If you ask somebody what the weather, what the weather's
Speaker 1: like in their part of town, they might say, well,
Speaker 1: the tornado has gained sentience, which we were not expecting.
Speaker 1: But scientists say that's because we didn't recycle or something
Speaker 1: like that. You sure, I'm not exaggerating a bit, But
Speaker 1: today's episode is in a way about the weather. It
Speaker 1: is in a way about the environment, because whether you
Speaker 1: live in the frozen wilds of the Arctic North, or
Speaker 1: the sweltering climes of the Tropic or the you know,
Speaker 1: objectively perfect environment of Hawaii, you've doubtlessly had one of
Speaker 1: those weird conversations about weather with outsiders. You know, yes,
Speaker 1: says somebody in the upper reaches of Scandinavia. Sometimes the
Speaker 1: sun sets at four pm here. Other times it's dark
Speaker 1: for you know, weeks on end, or the sun just
Speaker 1: doesn't leave at all. It's normal for us. And while
Speaker 1: weather across the planet can vary to a wide degree,
Speaker 1: it is pretty impressive that our species, most of whom
Speaker 1: were largely identical to one another in terms of physiological requirements.
Speaker 1: It's impressive that we can all exist for long periods
Speaker 1: of time in these very different conditions. You know, I
Speaker 1: think and.
Speaker 3: Our cultures have kind of been tailored in a lot
Speaker 3: of ways to these different weather patterns and the climates
Speaker 3: in which we've you know, existed. Yeah, religions are born
Speaker 3: a lot of times early on at least out of
Speaker 3: these patterns.
Speaker 1: Good call, right. Yeah, we're tool makers, we're arrogant, we
Speaker 1: are explainers, and we are woefully satisfied with our own explanations.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but we're also feelers because we've got a lot
Speaker 3: of chemicals that float around in us that cause us
Speaker 3: to feel ways, or at least they affect the way
Speaker 3: we feel about things sometimes.
Speaker 1: Right, And I was thinking about this too with the
Speaker 1: old Robert Frost poem Tree at my Window. You remember that,
Speaker 1: I do, so there's this line tree at my Window
Speaker 1: is obviously it's about this tree that Robert Frost is
Speaker 1: really digging at the time, or to be fair, the
Speaker 1: speaker of the poem, if not, you know, maybe he's
Speaker 1: faking it. Maybe he didn't have a tree.
Speaker 3: It could be a character.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe it's like a metaphor for nuclear war is
Speaker 1: something who knows, right, Well, there's this thought in the
Speaker 1: last two lines where he talks about the tree experiencing
Speaker 1: outer weather and himself again the speaker of the poem
Speaker 1: being concerned with their own inner weather. And today's episode
Speaker 1: is about that. I love that you set up the
Speaker 1: idea of all these neurochemicals and reactions just bouncing willy
Speaker 1: nilly and unseen in every person's brain box. Because today's
Speaker 1: episode does not center around climate change, it's about a
Speaker 1: more primal question people have been asking for the very
Speaker 1: least centuries. That is, how does the outer weather the
Speaker 1: environment affect our own inner psychological weather. Can something in
Speaker 1: the air, some lack of sunlight or some overabundance of
Speaker 1: moonlight really make us for lack of a better phrase,
Speaker 1: hesitate to say it, but go crazy.
Speaker 3: Yes, let's say act abnormally to ourselves, at least to
Speaker 3: ourselves in the ways we've come to see ourselves.
Speaker 1: Here are the facts.
Speaker 3: There is a common wisdom that floats around the internet,
Speaker 3: has been around for a long time that whether in
Speaker 3: some ways can affect people's moods, how they feel, whether
Speaker 3: or not they're excited to wake up in the morning,
Speaker 3: or you know, if they're feeling a little sad now
Speaker 3: and then. And there is this idea it is. It
Speaker 3: has a name that is kind of delightful, but at
Speaker 3: the same time it's just delightful to speak of. It's
Speaker 3: called SAD Seasonal effective disorder SAD. Yes, And we'll talk
Speaker 3: about that a little bit later on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're just planning the seed for sad. We're planning
Speaker 1: the sad seed.
Speaker 3: It will be fruitful later on. Now, there's an unrelated
Speaker 3: idea that my wife and I have talked about a
Speaker 3: lot of times because of her involvement with children in
Speaker 3: a school environment, of whether or not the moon can
Speaker 3: actually affect us as well, the amount of light that's
Speaker 3: being reflected upon us by the moon. Really, that's what
Speaker 3: they're talking about where the moon is and how much
Speaker 3: light is being reflected. Can this make us feel different
Speaker 3: than stable? Perhaps?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, This is an ancient idea and it goes
Speaker 1: in a couple of different directions. The ancient idea is
Speaker 1: the concept that the moon maybe not so much the
Speaker 1: light sometimes light. Sometimes it's just the idea that a
Speaker 1: more visible moon means a moon is physically closer. This
Speaker 1: dates back all the way to philosophers like Aristotle and
Speaker 1: the often hilariously incorrect historian Plenty the Elder. From the
Speaker 1: Roman historian, they thought that the brain was the moistest
Speaker 1: organ in the body, and that they're for like the oceans,
Speaker 1: it was the most susceptible to the insidious influences of
Speaker 1: the moon because of the way the moon can affect
Speaker 1: the tides and the oceans. And this went through this
Speaker 1: idea which Gaina's ancient has gone through many different iterations
Speaker 1: and names. Sometimes it was called the lunar lunacy effect
Speaker 1: or the Transylvania effect, and the belief, you know, survived
Speaker 1: the fall of the Roman Empire, survived the fall of
Speaker 1: the ancient Greeks in the Middle Ages, when people when
Speaker 1: it was just commonly accepted that some people turn into wolves,
Speaker 1: you know, some people are in league with infernal powers
Speaker 1: and they turn into wolves. And that's just how the
Speaker 1: cookie crumbles, right They they of course thought that the
Speaker 1: moon had these unholy influences, even on people who say
Speaker 1: their prayers at night, you know, and the whole wolf
Speaker 1: Spain reference.
Speaker 3: The full moon is a weird thing.
Speaker 1: It's a weird thing.
Speaker 3: Back in the nineteenth century, there is even this thing
Speaker 3: that you could argue in court, that you could argue
Speaker 3: that somebody was not guilty by reason of the full moon.
Speaker 3: Let's say, if you're a defense lawyer and you're representing somebody,
Speaker 3: and they would make their claim that this quote unquote
Speaker 3: lunatic client was you know, not accountable for whatever he
Speaker 3: or she did because the full moon was there. And
Speaker 3: we all know how the full moon affects us, especially
Speaker 3: when we're turning into wolves and such. Just kidding. This
Speaker 3: is now the nineteenth century, so we've moved beyond werewolves,
Speaker 3: not fully, but we moved a bit beyond werewolves.
Speaker 1: Eighteen hundreds Eastern Europe people believe people were still certain,
Speaker 1: you know, and in less you know, in less densely
Speaker 1: populated areas in the world, today, belief in physical shape shifters.
Speaker 1: It's still around, you know, it's not as popular.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean, and there's well, there's a lot
Speaker 3: to be said there on the full moon. There's there's
Speaker 3: a ton of things here about how the full moon
Speaker 3: can possibly affect us.
Speaker 1: So that's that's the interesting part, right where wolves a
Speaker 1: side ancient romacide. The belief in this relationship between the
Speaker 1: moon waxing and people acting unstable persist in the modern day.
Speaker 1: You'll see the lunar cycle blamed for everything from spikes
Speaker 1: and suicide attempts and psychiatric hospital emissions, to emergency room
Speaker 1: calls and reports, to traffic accidents, to dog bites and
Speaker 1: more and more and more and again.
Speaker 3: Just hanging it back to my wife and just for
Speaker 3: a second, she believes this is kind of her theory
Speaker 3: or her hypothesis, is that the amount of light of
Speaker 3: shining down on a darkened earth at any given time
Speaker 3: can affect sleep patterns, the way a a child or
Speaker 3: an adult falls asleep, how long it takes to fall asleep,
Speaker 3: how well they're able to sleep, just because of an
Speaker 3: increased amount of light within a room, unless there are
Speaker 3: blackout curtains or something like that she thinks that can
Speaker 3: have an effect on the next day.
Speaker 1: Essentially, I see, Yeah, it's a disturbance in circadian rhythm,
Speaker 1: right that. I mean, that's a good argument. I would
Speaker 1: want to hear the opinion too, of how that if
Speaker 1: light is if light is the cause there ultimately of
Speaker 1: some sort of disturbance in otherwise normal behavior. Is it
Speaker 1: dependent on the type of light? Is that what creates
Speaker 1: the disturbance? Because now we live in a place where many, many,
Speaker 1: many people have artificial lights, whether they're even just computer
Speaker 1: screens to television screens on while they sleep. So are
Speaker 1: you know, as a disturbed circadian rhythm the new normal?
Speaker 1: I could definitely see it being a really solid proposition
Speaker 1: in the days before for electricity, you know, I like,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe the disturbance has changed over time because of
Speaker 1: the rise of electric lights.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I would just say from you know, not
Speaker 3: to get into an argument about this, but within at
Speaker 3: my home, the moon's light comes into our windows at
Speaker 3: my house to such a significant effect that it looks
Speaker 3: like we've got lights on outside when there's a full
Speaker 3: moon compared to when there's even a half moon or
Speaker 3: you know, lesser.
Speaker 1: Do you feel that's pushing closer to like anthropy.
Speaker 3: Or not sure, but I but it certainly does affect
Speaker 3: my ability to get to sleep and just personally. And
Speaker 3: I just wonder how much of an effect that would
Speaker 3: be outside of computer screens, outside of you know, artificial light.
Speaker 1: And yeah, that's that's again, that's one of my big questions.
Speaker 1: There would be the type of light you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Is uv thing? Is it something in the
Speaker 1: LED displays? People are still debating about this, and there's
Speaker 1: an interesting scientific quibble here. Psychiatrists across the planet and
Speaker 1: certainly throughout the West, including people like Miami psychiatrists Arnold Lieber,
Speaker 1: have argued have argued less about light and more about water,
Speaker 1: the idea that, just like Aristotle and Plenty said, the
Speaker 1: full moon has an effect on behavior because the human
Speaker 1: body is almost eighty percent water. So again, maybe the
Speaker 1: moon is disrupting something about the way water functions in
Speaker 1: our nervous systems. Specifically, other people, not just psychiatrists, tend
Speaker 1: to agree, and large groups of people tend to agree
Speaker 1: that the moon does something wonky to human beings or
Speaker 1: is This survey a few years back that said around
Speaker 1: forty five percent of college students believe, yes, the moon
Speaker 1: can affect human behavior in increasing their likelihood of doing
Speaker 1: something unusual for them. The thing is all case by
Speaker 1: case unusual for them. For someone, unusual might be staying
Speaker 1: up till three am and eating a pint of ice cream.
Speaker 1: For other people, unusual, maybe you know, robbing toys r US.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of things that aren't around so
Speaker 1: we don't get any angry letters.
Speaker 3: That's a good choice of toys r us or radio
Speaker 3: shack somewhere there we go be a Blockbuster and kept
Speaker 3: its stores unlocked.
Speaker 1: A media play, there are still seers in Alaska. Isn't
Speaker 1: that weird there? You? So this this is interesting because
Speaker 1: this isn't just cherry picking one survey. Other surveys seem
Speaker 1: to indicate that mental health professionals might be more likely
Speaker 1: than the average person to believe in this relationship, and
Speaker 1: sectors of law enforcement. They should not surprise anybody, whether
Speaker 1: you yourself are an l e O or whether you
Speaker 1: have one in your friend group of your family. A
Speaker 1: lot of members of law enforcement share this belief. As
Speaker 1: a matter of Back in the nineteen seventies, the International
Speaker 1: Association of the Chiefs of Police put their money where
Speaker 1: their mouth is. They commissioned a study to discover whether
Speaker 1: there was in a scientific basis to the belief that
Speaker 1: the full moon makes people Let's not say crazy, let's
Speaker 1: say weird.
Speaker 3: What do we know what they found?
Speaker 1: We'll tell you after a word from our sponsor. Here's
Speaker 1: where it gets crazy. Oddly enough, multiple studies, not all
Speaker 1: the studies, but the majority of studies conducted in this
Speaker 1: field or toward this question, have found no discernible scientific
Speaker 1: evidence that the full moon has any sort of physiological
Speaker 1: effect on the human mind. So we can bust the
Speaker 1: water myth first. Before we get to that, Please note
Speaker 1: everyone the way we phrase that finding that the full
Speaker 1: moon does not have any sort of physiological effect on
Speaker 1: the human mind that is different from a psychological effect. Right,
Speaker 1: So there's a dilemma there. But we're pretty sure as
Speaker 1: a species that if the moon has some sort of
Speaker 1: some sort of deletorious effect on human beings, it is
Speaker 1: not due to the water content of our bodies.
Speaker 3: Let's go to the Scientific American with some quotes that
Speaker 3: list the problems with this whole water gravity theory. Is
Speaker 3: the moon actually changing the water inside of us? It
Speaker 3: says quote First, the gravitational effects of the Moon are
Speaker 3: far too minuscule to generate any meaningful effects on brain activity,
Speaker 3: let alone behavior. As the late astronomer George Abell of
Speaker 3: the University of California, Los Angeles noted, a mosquito sitting
Speaker 3: on your arm exerts a more powerful gravitational effect on
Speaker 3: us than the moon does. Now, that's intense. This is
Speaker 3: me being outside of the quote. That's an intense fact.
Speaker 3: If it is indeed a fact, and it was said
Speaker 3: by a former astronomer, so we must believe it. Let's
Speaker 3: continue on. Yet, to the best of our knowledge, there
Speaker 3: have been no reports of a mosquito lunacy effect. So
Speaker 3: there's a little biting remark there. Let's go on. Second,
Speaker 3: the Moon's gravitational force affects only open bodies of water,
Speaker 3: such as oceans and lakes, but not contained sources of
Speaker 3: water such as the human brain. Aha.
Speaker 1: Pretty rock solid, it really is.
Speaker 3: It is contained within our skulls.
Speaker 1: This last one's the most interesting, yes. Quote.
Speaker 3: Third, the gravitational effect of the moon is just as
Speaker 3: potent during new moons, when the moon is visible to us,
Speaker 3: as it is during full moons. So aha, the light
Speaker 3: of the moon is a more likely candidate for affecting us.
Speaker 3: I'm just kidding, but it is sure.
Speaker 1: I mean, well, let's find out going back to water.
Speaker 1: What this means is that the perception that we have,
Speaker 1: while it does hold its own internal logic, you know,
Speaker 1: there's some analog there. The moon affects water in certain
Speaker 1: ways or in certain you know, situations, then why not
Speaker 1: the human brain. What's so special about the water and
Speaker 1: the human body? Nothing except temporarily its location. This means
Speaker 1: that if we want to dive into the belief there's
Speaker 1: some sort of causal relationship between the moon and specifically crime, right,
Speaker 1: if we want to look at law enforcement data, then
Speaker 1: we will need to reject the water myth or the
Speaker 1: water part of the moon myth, and we'll need to regard,
Speaker 1: at least to some degree, the huge amount of anecdotal
Speaker 1: evidence from police officers across the planet because a lot
Speaker 1: of these folks wholeheartedly believe in this, but maybe not
Speaker 1: the way you think, because often, you know, people who
Speaker 1: work in law enforcement are trained to apply critical thinking,
Speaker 1: so they will, hopefully they're paying attention and training be
Speaker 1: some of the more skeptical members of society at large
Speaker 1: So let's consider the work of a guy named David Hunter.
Speaker 1: David Hunter was a retired deputy from Knox County, Tennessee.
Speaker 1: In his book The Moon Is Always Full, he collected
Speaker 1: multiple stories of police officers relaying strange events let's call
Speaker 1: them lunar war stories, things that happened while they were
Speaker 1: on duty during the full moon. However, a Hunter does
Speaker 1: not believe that there is a physiological mechanism at play here. Instead,
Speaker 1: he believes it is squarely something in the sphere of
Speaker 1: the psychological. He says that the moon crime relationship, or
Speaker 1: perception thereof, is a matter of self fulfilling prophecies. And
Speaker 1: he notes he says, hey, you know, most cops, they
Speaker 1: are adrenaline junkies. If nothing happens on a graveyard shift,
Speaker 1: they get disappointed. So the full moon gives a cop
Speaker 1: a reason to investigate things he might usually ignore.
Speaker 3: Ah, so just the fact that it is a full moon.
Speaker 3: The police officer thinking to him or herself, Oh, it's
Speaker 3: a full moon. I gotta check this out.
Speaker 1: Right right right, I've seen the movies, I've seen the tropes,
Speaker 1: or you know, it's it's similar to I guess bader
Speaker 1: Minehoff to where you know, you hear turn the beat
Speaker 1: around once and then or you think of the song
Speaker 1: and then you feel like you've heard it three times
Speaker 1: in the past forty eight hours. But have you or
Speaker 1: were you just noticing more?
Speaker 3: You know? Are you using turn the beat around as
Speaker 3: like a verb like I did a thing I turned
Speaker 3: the beat around.
Speaker 1: I mean the song, Okay, but yeah, you turn the
Speaker 1: beat around if you'd like.
Speaker 3: You know, But but you know, this doesn't take into
Speaker 3: account like I'm just imagining. I'm not poopooing hunter writing here.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying there's a difference between investigating, like having
Speaker 3: something to investigate, and choosing to investigate something. And so
Speaker 3: I guess what I'm trying to say is a police
Speaker 3: officer generally is going to respond to calls that come through,
Speaker 3: especially a you know, uniform police officer that's in a
Speaker 3: patrol vehicle or is on patrol. They will get called
Speaker 3: to a thing to investigate something, or they will observe
Speaker 3: something and investigate it. Right, those are generally the two
Speaker 3: ways in which a report is going to get generated
Speaker 3: for you know, something that the police officer did that evening.
Speaker 1: I see where you're going.
Speaker 3: I don't know how them choosing to or not to
Speaker 3: investigate something would differ with the.
Speaker 1: Moon, because that would also happen. What I think you're
Speaker 1: raising is a fascinating point because in the order of operations, right,
Speaker 1: the chain of events, their decision to whether or not
Speaker 1: to investigate something aka do their job, occurs after something
Speaker 1: has already happened. Right, So they are reacting to an event.
Speaker 3: Hopefully rather than just going out there.
Speaker 1: And I guess I better start something, right I doubt that.
Speaker 1: I doubt that, but I see what you're saying. It's
Speaker 1: very important because then that means that their decision has
Speaker 1: very little to do with whether or not there is
Speaker 1: a higher a higher number of incidents during the evening
Speaker 1: of a full.
Speaker 3: Moon, right, Yeah, one would have to come before the other.
Speaker 1: Okay, and interesting too because I know I feel like
Speaker 1: you're a big proponent of the light argument. Well what
Speaker 1: about when a full moon is out during the day?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and it's observable, Oh man, crazy pandemonium.
Speaker 3: Kids everywhere are like the moon.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think. I don't know if anybody else remembers this,
Speaker 1: but I remember very clearly the first time I saw
Speaker 1: the moon during the day, and I thought the jig
Speaker 1: was up. I thought it was the end, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. I was like, well, the quality is
Speaker 1: going to fall off a little bit at the end,
Speaker 1: so we got a good run.
Speaker 3: Well, it is a weird that is a weird thing.
Speaker 3: I wonder how universal the concept is. I think there's
Speaker 3: a sense growing up that the sun is out or
Speaker 3: the moon is out. Oh yeah, right, yeah, and the
Speaker 3: moon is out at night and the sun is out
Speaker 3: at day, and you cannot have both because how could
Speaker 3: it be night and day. That's not a thing, that's
Speaker 3: not possible. But then you, you know, begin to realize
Speaker 3: that the sun and moon, like all things, are a
Speaker 3: sliding scale or a spectrum of almost all things. It's
Speaker 3: this weird it's this weird function of reality night and
Speaker 3: day or just part of the same wheel man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. So let's let's go back, because we
Speaker 1: do have to point out, in all fairness to the
Speaker 1: retired deputy Hunter that he is, by his own admission,
Speaker 1: not a scientist. He is collecting this in a way
Speaker 1: that's very similar to the way someone would collect folklore,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So let's go to members
Speaker 1: of academia, members of the Ivory Tower, the capital a academy. Finally, Finally,
Speaker 1: University California, Irvine criminology professor Kris Kubrian calls this perception
Speaker 1: amongst el eos a kind of confirmation bias, adding that
Speaker 1: the officers are looking for evidence that confirms their pre
Speaker 1: existing belief. Pre existing is a phrase I inserted into
Speaker 1: that quotation. So let me not mislead you, fellow listeners.
Speaker 1: This is something personally, and it's just one person's opinion
Speaker 1: that I could get behind because we know that happens.
Speaker 1: We know this happens often to everyone. We we build
Speaker 1: coincidences or we curate coincidence in a way that most
Speaker 1: aids and a bets our own narrative. So you could
Speaker 1: go through a troublesome traffic light fifty times, right, and
Speaker 1: maybe it's always green, right except for the twelve times
Speaker 1: that you happen to catch it when it's red light,
Speaker 1: and then by time eleven you're like, this light sucks.
Speaker 1: This happens all the time. How much of my life
Speaker 1: have I spent here waiting at this pos traffic light?
Speaker 1: And then you know the way other people work. If
Speaker 1: you say that, especially if you complain about traffic, other
Speaker 1: people are not gonna go What is wrong with you?
Speaker 1: That light is awesome. I looked at my stats for
Speaker 1: that light, and buddy, I am green sixty five percent
Speaker 1: of the time. No, they're gonna go. Yeah, man, traffic
Speaker 1: lights blow. I don't know what it is. It's like
Speaker 1: they should just paint them red because the color never changes.
Speaker 3: There are very few of us, but there are a
Speaker 3: few of us who would take the side of the
Speaker 3: traffic light just by default because somebody's complaining.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I I I don't want
Speaker 1: to get too far into this, but I've been involved
Speaker 1: in some of the traffic light conversations. Do you know
Speaker 1: how easy those systems are to hack? Yeah? It is frightening, dude,
Speaker 1: It is frightening. How uh how little effort it would
Speaker 1: take to totally collapse some traffic systems in cities here
Speaker 1: in the US. We're supposed to be a developed country.
Speaker 3: Well, in Atlanta, it takes about three broken lights to
Speaker 3: just screw up the whole thing.
Speaker 1: I know. Yeah, we all call it a day at
Speaker 1: that point. That's why. Yeah, it's it's pretty it's pretty rough,
Speaker 1: especially especially the neighborhood we work in. It's funny. I'm
Speaker 1: doing a I'm doing an episode later this week spoiler
Speaker 1: alert for our show car Stuff, which has hit.
Speaker 4: The road again.
Speaker 1: And one of the one of the things we're gonna
Speaker 1: look at is the cost of traffic. Like, traffic is expensive.
Speaker 1: I had no idea. Forget millions, forget billions. It costs
Speaker 1: like trillions of dollars a year. Yeah, but dude's strategic traffic.
Speaker 1: If you've got a business that's on like a major road, Yeah,
Speaker 1: traffic is the stuff, man, I was thinking of that. Okay,
Speaker 1: this is a terrible idea. I want to preface this. Okay,
Speaker 1: this is a terrible idea. No one do it. It's
Speaker 1: not cool. Okay, but it would work. Oh god, I
Speaker 1: added that at the end. So, we have a lot
Speaker 1: of traffic jams. Right in other cities, you'll see people
Speaker 1: who wait at traffic jams to sell things, right, yes,
Speaker 1: So what if we had our worst traffic jams here
Speaker 1: in Atlanta tend to be on interstates. What if we
Speaker 1: had some kind of like side scooter type things that
Speaker 1: could go out when traffic is stopped, when it's gridlocked
Speaker 1: and sell snacks, sell beverages, non alcoholic sell you know,
Speaker 1: do dads flowers toys. It's like a rolling convenience store
Speaker 1: on the highways, on the highway, on the shoulder of
Speaker 1: the highway and places where again like four thirty to
Speaker 1: seven thirty, it's the only time they're open. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: that's the only time traffic is slow enough for these
Speaker 1: people not to get killed. Yeah, now here are the
Speaker 1: three reasons is a horrible idea. One, I would want
Speaker 1: to operate it as a nonprofit and give the money
Speaker 1: to disadvantage people, which is never gonna fly with Atlanta's government. Two,
Speaker 1: we're talking about sending people out in traffic. Even if
Speaker 1: the speed is zero that could very quickly become sixty
Speaker 1: and then we're just like one scrape up away from
Speaker 1: the whole thing collapsing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I bet you could charge a premium on this.
Speaker 3: This is my solution, right, because people are stuck in traffic.
Speaker 3: They can't escape on some exit because they know if
Speaker 3: they go escape on the exit to hit up whatever
Speaker 3: fast food joint or let's say a racetrack or QT
Speaker 3: or insert your gas station seven to eleven here, they
Speaker 3: know it's just gonna take even longer to get back
Speaker 3: on the highway. They won't be able to get where
Speaker 3: they're going. But if somebody, let's say, was on the
Speaker 3: side of the road and they could make it to you,
Speaker 3: if they could get to your car door your window,
Speaker 3: roll it down and that's all you gotta do. Roll
Speaker 3: down your window and swipe your card and you can
Speaker 3: have let's just say, some something as simple as some
Speaker 3: chips and an ice cold beverage. They will pay you
Speaker 3: like movie theater prices, for sure. And if they're paying
Speaker 3: movie theater prices, not only can you pay for your
Speaker 3: staff and they'll have a pretty nice wage. You'll be
Speaker 3: able to donate a good chunk of that the way
Speaker 3: you wanted to donate it.
Speaker 1: Again, the city governor will never let it happen. But
Speaker 1: I like what you're saying because then also think about this, well,
Speaker 1: the last prop the last problem. Of course, I think
Speaker 1: I have a solution too. But the last problem is
Speaker 1: one of the biggest ones, which is it would further
Speaker 1: ruin cripple traffic to have everybody trying to get to
Speaker 1: the shoulder at a stopping point. You know, of course
Speaker 1: there it's a very self centered species, so there will
Speaker 1: be a lot of people in the middle who are like, hey,
Speaker 1: forget you, buddy, bring that RBS to me. I got
Speaker 1: things to do. Uh, it's true, But here's the solution
Speaker 1: instead of people, When we just send drones out.
Speaker 3: That was good. That was literally the thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, drones you just need reliably for them to operate
Speaker 1: at peak efficiency, you'd need a sun roof though, so
Speaker 1: it's already kind of for the elite.
Speaker 3: I mean it would be anyway if you're gonna pay
Speaker 3: movie theater prices for anything.
Speaker 1: Right, I guess there aren't a lot of people who
Speaker 1: are just scraping by so they could save up for
Speaker 1: their drone.
Speaker 3: Chilupas drone chilupas man.
Speaker 1: You know what, I apologize for derailing us here. Let
Speaker 1: us know what you think of this idea. Met You're kind,
Speaker 1: you're you're kind of turning me back into a proponent
Speaker 1: of it.
Speaker 3: You know, I would, I'd get in in this venture.
Speaker 1: Cool. I think I agree with you. Also, if we
Speaker 1: partner up with a fast food franchise, since we're already
Speaker 1: ruining the world with drones, then we could we could
Speaker 1: get them to sink some of the overhead costs for us.
Speaker 3: You know, there's this fast food chain that makes chicken sandwiches,
Speaker 3: not the one you're thinking about. It's that one from Louisiana.
Speaker 3: If you had them with their chicken sandwiches. Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1: Food for thought, literally food for thought. Let's let's go
Speaker 1: back to Sorry, I got us to traffic for folklore
Speaker 1: the moon, But let's go back to the Academy capital A.
Speaker 1: There's another professor who attributes this perception, this causual perception
Speaker 1: between the moon and extraordinary behavior to folklore rather than
Speaker 1: to science. Professor Elizabeth Loftis says she will not outright
Speaker 1: condone a correlation between the moon and craziness, but she
Speaker 1: does concede that quote. Maybe mentally ill people get weirded
Speaker 1: out by the full moon and behave in strange ways.
Speaker 1: If this is the case, then what we might be
Speaker 1: perceiving as a weird effect of moonlight or gravity or
Speaker 1: water what have you, may in fact just be a
Speaker 1: collection of isolated incidents wherein people who were already unwell
Speaker 1: were somehow triggered by a specific environmental event. And in
Speaker 1: these cases, maybe it just happened to be the moon.
Speaker 1: Maybe we're not paying enough attention to other things like
Speaker 1: an eclipse, people go nuts steering and a clip you know,
Speaker 1: for one reason or another. Back to what you said
Speaker 1: about religions. Some religions are founded on being able to
Speaker 1: predict an eclipse and then go absolutely ham when one happens.
Speaker 1: They are wonderful, they are, they are, you know, if
Speaker 1: you can get a spot where you get totality. Ah,
Speaker 1: but the moon is the moon alone, is not the
Speaker 1: weather nor the environment entire So we mentioned sad earlier,
Speaker 1: but what exactly is it? How does it work? We'll
Speaker 1: tell you after a word from our sponsors.
Speaker 3: And we are back. So let's get sad everybody. Sorry,
Speaker 3: oh sorry, So let's let's discuss seasonal effective disorder. It's
Speaker 3: it's more rare than probably the media would want you
Speaker 3: to believe or has made us believe, but it is
Speaker 3: indeed very much a real thing. And let's just talk
Speaker 3: about what it means. Seasonality or this disorder is reported
Speaker 3: by approximately ten to twenty percent of people with depression.
Speaker 3: So that's somebody who already is feeling depression or having
Speaker 3: depression and they are either saying this is a part
Speaker 3: of it or the entirety of their depression. The changes
Speaker 3: in season. Then fifteen to twenty two percent of those
Speaker 3: with bipolar disorder also, you know, report that seasonality or
Speaker 3: seasonal effective disorder is also affecting them.
Speaker 1: Right right, Like, I know what my my variation may
Speaker 1: be in mood and emotion values peaks and valleys exactly,
Speaker 1: and even correcting for that, I notice some enormous valleys.
Speaker 3: And there are some fascinating real reasons behind some of
Speaker 3: this stuff. That Again, as we're talking a little bit
Speaker 3: more about the chemical in our bodies and how those
Speaker 3: change this stuff, it goes deeper and it speaks to
Speaker 3: our connection, humanity's connection to the sun.
Speaker 1: Oh sure, Yeah. According to the Mayo Clinic, SAD or
Speaker 1: seasonal effective disorder, it's a type of depression that's related
Speaker 1: to changes in the seasons. It begins and ends around
Speaker 1: the same couple of times every year. And if you're
Speaker 1: like most people with this condition, your symptoms start in autumn.
Speaker 1: They begin in the fall, they continue into the winter months.
Speaker 1: You are lethargic, your energy is sapped, you feel moody.
Speaker 1: Less often, we have seen cases of people reporting SAD
Speaker 1: in the other direction in the spring or early summer.
Speaker 1: The signs and symptoms are going to be very familiar
Speaker 1: for anyone who has had these wintry blues before. You
Speaker 1: will feel depressed most of the day, almost every day.
Speaker 1: The stuff that you enjoyed, video games, volleyball, cyber bullying, Twitter,
Speaker 1: people or whatever, you don't enjoy it anymore. You have
Speaker 1: low energy. But even though you feel tired all the time,
Speaker 1: you cannot sleep. You also don't enjoy a lot of
Speaker 1: the food you used to like.
Speaker 3: A lot of people report that they feel agitated when
Speaker 3: they're experiencing this, or sluggish, having a difficult time concentrating,
Speaker 3: like let's say, if you're at school or at work,
Speaker 3: just can't really wrap your mind around one thing. Feeling hopeless,
Speaker 3: sometimes feeling guilty or worthless. Again, these are a lot
Speaker 3: of these symptoms of just overall depression, too, having frequent
Speaker 3: thoughts of death or suicide.
Speaker 1: And there's some science to this. As you would as
Speaker 1: you had said, Matt, we know that when your body,
Speaker 1: as long as you qualify as a human being, when
Speaker 1: your body is exposed to less sunlight, it produces more melatonin.
Speaker 1: Melatonin is the hormone that makes you sleepy. It's pretty
Speaker 1: popular in the West as a sleep eit nowadays. Then
Speaker 1: there's also a pretty solid idea called the phase shift hypothesis.
Speaker 1: The phase shift hypothesis proposes what we had just talked
Speaker 1: about earlier in the beginning of the show, and it
Speaker 1: says that shortened days cause the timing of our circadian
Speaker 1: rhythms to fall out of sync with the actual time
Speaker 1: of day because there's this delay in the release of melatonin.
Speaker 1: And just as your body, your flesh bag, begins craving
Speaker 1: these mid day naps, your brain begins producing lower levels
Speaker 1: of serotonin.
Speaker 3: Oh, the good one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the tickle, that's what I call it. Yeah, your
Speaker 1: brain stops making the tickle that is with a capital T.
Speaker 1: So your mood, your appetite, your sleep, your sexual desire,
Speaker 1: none of them scratch the itch anymore. You don't get
Speaker 1: the tickle. What's the point of living if you don't
Speaker 1: have the you know, if you don't enjoy the way
Speaker 1: stuff taste, if you're not excited about doing something, you're
Speaker 1: just sort of getting a participation grade.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the tickle of it's of the highest import and
Speaker 3: that stinks to have it deadened, a little bit nullified
Speaker 3: in a way. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And how like, for instance, I'm a I'm a person
Speaker 1: who goes through i mean dark times pretty regularly. No, yeah, right,
Speaker 1: so me too. Yeah, I think that's one of the
Speaker 1: reasons we get along for well. But but we did.
Speaker 1: We did find the science here, and then we not
Speaker 1: only found the science, we found beyond the microcosmic neurochemical
Speaker 1: mechanisms of every individual brain. We found that societies wherein
Speaker 1: people regularly experience this deprivation of light to an extreme degree,
Speaker 1: the societies have banded together and created group solutions or
Speaker 1: attempts at group solutions for sunlight deprivation. That's why a
Speaker 1: lot of people living in the Arctic Circle, a lot
Speaker 1: of people living in against Scandinavian countries that have the
Speaker 1: infrastructure to support community solutions like this, they've done some
Speaker 1: groundbreaking work with light therapy and we found some pretty
Speaker 1: cool examples of this too.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah. There's an Atlantic article called will Norway Ever
Speaker 3: Beat the Winter Blues that you shared Ben and in
Speaker 3: here it talks about a southern town in Norway called
Speaker 3: Rijukun or rjuka n And it's kind of in a
Speaker 3: bit of a valley between two large mountains, and during
Speaker 3: certain times of the seasons there the sun basically hits
Speaker 3: the peaks of the mountains are high up on the mountains,
Speaker 3: but doesn't actually ever get down into the valley, so
Speaker 3: it doesn't actually ever touch the town for long periods
Speaker 3: of time. And they figured out a way to get
Speaker 3: these large, i think seventeen meter wide mirrors that reflect
Speaker 3: the sunlight from the higher peaks of that mountain down
Speaker 3: into the town square. And it's a fascinating idea. It's
Speaker 3: genius and very simple in a way, but just the
Speaker 3: concept of bringing a little bit of light into the
Speaker 3: town square so that people during midday, like I think
Speaker 3: it was noon to two or something like that, people
Speaker 3: can go out and experience sunlight in a time when
Speaker 3: they haven't felt it on their skin in days, if
Speaker 3: not weeks. And another thing interesting that's happening in that
Speaker 3: town in the surrounding areas as well. There's a company
Speaker 3: called brain Lit. It's a Swedish company, and what they
Speaker 3: do is they outfit a whole building, sometimes a classroom,
Speaker 3: sometimes a home with smart lighting that mimics day and
Speaker 3: night cycles essentially. So the idea here is to get
Speaker 3: a human being circadian rhythms back on track just by
Speaker 3: having their eyes experience the light and the feeling on
Speaker 3: their skin, all those things have it occur indoors rather
Speaker 3: than outside being affected by the sun.
Speaker 1: And then again we return to the nature of the light. Right,
Speaker 1: it's a specific type of light, correct.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's HCl and led the two solutions they have
Speaker 3: and they call it biocentric lighting. It's really interesting stuff
Speaker 3: if you want to learn more. We are not promoting
Speaker 3: this company or this brand, but it's called brain lit
Speaker 3: b R A I N L I T dot S
Speaker 3: E slash e N. That's where we were looking about
Speaker 3: looking at.
Speaker 1: It, and we know that the research in this field
Speaker 1: is continuing. Light at least affects us more than we
Speaker 1: might like to believe. This is not hey, I'm going
Speaker 1: on record, man, you know I respect you. This is
Speaker 1: not me agreeing with the light hypothesis re luncy. This
Speaker 1: is not okay. This is not me agreeing with that
Speaker 1: because I just I couldn't find any science to bear
Speaker 1: it out. But that doesn't mean it's not true. It
Speaker 1: just means maybe the science hasn't caught up with the
Speaker 1: human belief yet.
Speaker 3: I told you, just my belief. I don't got no science.
Speaker 1: But it might be out there and it's worth searching
Speaker 1: for in some people with bipolar disorder. We also know
Speaker 1: that spring and summer can bring on symptoms of mania
Speaker 1: or a less intense form of mania hypomania, and fall
Speaker 1: in winter can be a time of deep depression. Here's
Speaker 1: another here's the ultimate answer. Though not just counting lights,
Speaker 1: which is only one part of our environment. Let's think
Speaker 1: of the weather all the other things. The weather is wind,
Speaker 1: barometric pressure, ymidity, things like that.
Speaker 3: Pressure is a big one.
Speaker 1: Pressure is a huge one. And it turns out that
Speaker 1: everyday weather can change your mood. If you are already unhappy,
Speaker 1: if you're already having a bad time, don't worry. Weather
Speaker 1: can make it worse. If you're in a good mood,
Speaker 1: you are more you are less susceptible to changes in
Speaker 1: environment or changes in weather affecting you environ mental state.
Speaker 3: I'll go with this. I've got stuff to add. I'll
Speaker 3: bring it back later.
Speaker 1: Let's go through this, Okay, So first things first. Two
Speaker 1: thousand and eight study associated with the APA American Psychological Association,
Speaker 1: published in the journal Emotion, indicates the weather can indeed
Speaker 1: mess with you if you're already feeling down in the dumps, morose, sad, etc.
Speaker 1: Researchers evaluated the personalities and moods of more than twelve
Speaker 1: hundred adults through these daily questionnaires, so they're self reporting, right,
Speaker 1: a little sticky. But these these questionnaires were cross referenced
Speaker 1: with the local weather during the day when they answered
Speaker 1: these questions, and they found that relate like climate factors
Speaker 1: like temperature, sunlight, wind, precipitation, and so on, had no
Speaker 1: impact whatsoever on positive mood. But the temperature, wind, and
Speaker 1: sunlight did have a measurable effect on negative mood. And
Speaker 1: when we say negative, we're using it in a colloquial way,
Speaker 1: not the scientific way. Negative and science means absence of
Speaker 1: here it means bad. So yeah, right, So increased temperatures
Speaker 1: had a positive effect on bad moods, while increased wind
Speaker 1: and decreased sunlight had a worsening effect on a bad mood.
Speaker 1: Although these effects did vary from one individual to another
Speaker 1: in terms of the degree of change, like how extremely
Speaker 1: or profoundly they were affected, it did bear out across
Speaker 1: again more than a thousand people, that there was some
Speaker 1: sort of correlation. And additionally, this is just the lead
Speaker 1: we're going to drop, we're not going to follow up. Additionally,
Speaker 1: there are a surprising number of studies into the core
Speaker 1: between high temperatures and crime and from what we can tell,
Speaker 1: it is real when the heat spikes, more crimes occur.
Speaker 3: Hot time somewhere in the city. My friend, back of
Speaker 3: your neck, right, but no, but it's true. And from
Speaker 3: what I was reading just this morning, you know, the
Speaker 3: science isn't necessarily in on that, but it does make
Speaker 3: sense on a very base level. If it is warm
Speaker 3: outside and it is warm inside, a lot of people
Speaker 3: will probably be going outside. There will be more people
Speaker 3: on the street, There'll be more people, you know, mulling around.
Speaker 3: There will be more people with bikes, more people making
Speaker 3: a trip with their briefcases or whatever they're carrying with
Speaker 3: them that may have something in there.
Speaker 1: Perhaps more opportunity for crime.
Speaker 3: More opportunity like more victims, like potential victims in an area,
Speaker 3: and also more people who are not hold up in
Speaker 3: their house because it's cold and rainy. Who would be
Speaker 3: the potential mugger or burglar or whatever. It does feel
Speaker 3: like there's a real correlation there, Like if you just
Speaker 3: imagine yourself if it's cold and rainy, making the decision
Speaker 3: to go out and do something nefarious, versus if it's
Speaker 3: hot and you've got nothing else to do and very dry.
Speaker 3: I don't know it, feel it feels, it feels real.
Speaker 1: So there we have it. Though we know that the
Speaker 1: weather is not conspiring against us, because the weather itself,
Speaker 1: as far as we know, is not sentient, right, And
Speaker 1: if we go down that route, we end up at
Speaker 1: the guy a hypothesis, which is a fascinating thought experiment.
Speaker 1: It's super organisms at all. While there is no currently
Speaker 1: while there's no scientific proof that a full moon affects
Speaker 1: the human brain and the way that folklore tells us
Speaker 1: to does, the strength of confirmation bias and self fulfilling
Speaker 1: prophecy might render that exact same science moot, because some
Speaker 1: people may be having stability issues during the full moon
Speaker 1: just because they believe that's what happens. We all grow
Speaker 1: up in a world where full moons are portrayed as
Speaker 1: harbingers of doom or eeriness in works of fiction right
Speaker 1: dating back centuries, so of course we believe it. We've
Speaker 1: been brought up to believe that some medical law enforcement
Speaker 1: professionals may be suffering from their own illusory pattern recognition.
Speaker 1: But it also seems like they are a little bit
Speaker 1: more likely than the average Jane or Joe whatever to
Speaker 1: believe in this correlation because they feel they've personally experienced it.
Speaker 1: And while the moon may not affect your mind, the
Speaker 1: sun most certainly does in ways that you might not even.
Speaker 3: Notice, as can barometric pressure bring in about some pain.
Speaker 3: It affects my dog. If my dog feels barometric pet
Speaker 3: pressure changing, especially if it's lessening, she gets all freaked
Speaker 3: out because she knows the storm's coming. It's crazy. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and it's in. It's like half an hour to twenty
Speaker 3: minutes before a storm starts. It's weird.
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