1 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:17,960 Speaker 1: Cheerleaders naked vaping on video? Really? Actually, no, not really? 2 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:24,280 Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of a deep fake? Wait till 3 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 1: you hear this. What does naked cheerleader vaping, deep fake 4 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:46,239 Speaker 1: and cheer mom have in common? Take a listen to this. 5 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 1: We know cheerleading is a competitive sport, but here in 6 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 1: Bucks County, one mom is accused of targeting her daughter's teammates. 7 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: Authorities say, creating fake photos and videos and sending them 8 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: to the coaches. Her attorneys and says she's not guilty. 9 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: But now, men, you are wondering how a mom could 10 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:07,680 Speaker 1: stoop so low? Man, you're not kidding. Stoop loo that's 11 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 1: one thing, a crime, that's a whole another animal, being 12 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 1: a bad person? Are stooping so low? According to the 13 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:20,559 Speaker 1: church lady? That's bad enough. But breaking a law, that's 14 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:23,279 Speaker 1: when I get involved. You were just hearing our friend 15 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 1: Lauren Dugan at Fox twenty nine with me, what a 16 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 1: panel to try to make sense of this? Ken Belkin 17 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 1: with me, renowned criminal defense attorney joining us? What's your jurisdiction? 18 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:39,320 Speaker 1: Ken Belkan? Where are you right now? I'm in New York, 19 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 1: but I'm fully versed on this Pennsylvania blow Well, I 20 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 1: hope you're not eating in a restaurant, and I hope 21 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 1: you're wearing a mask and staying at least six feet 22 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 1: away from everybody. Doctor jen Man, family therapist, hopes of 23 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: couples therapy h one to the Doctor Jen Show on 24 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: series Sex sim author a to ze guy to raising 25 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: happy confident kids. Man, this mom could use you. Doctor 26 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: gen Man, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood 27 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:09,359 Speaker 1: Beneath My Feet on Amazon, startup a brand new hit 28 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 1: on the True crime network, Poisonous Liaisons. This guy knows 29 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: his forensics. Joseph Scott Morgan, special guest joining us for 30 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 1: the first time, former Pennsylvania State Trooper, first class computer 31 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 1: Crimes Investigations US veteran. That's what impressed me the most 32 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:33,360 Speaker 1: out of this of Operation Desert Storm patctech dot com, 33 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 1: Glenn Bard is with us, a forensics expert when it 34 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: comes to all things a digital. I'm gonna let him in. 35 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 1: Jo Scott Morgan duke it out, but first to Levi Page, 36 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: Crime online dot com investigative reporter and host of Crime 37 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 1: and Scandal true crime podcast Levi Page, this is almost unbelievable. 38 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 1: You know, I was a cheerleader. Little known fact and 39 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 1: the way that happened is I think our school, very 40 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:12,080 Speaker 1: small school, had fifteen girls basketball uniforms. Well, sixteen people 41 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 1: tried out. Guess who got cut the shortest one? That 42 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 1: would be me. So what was I supposed to do? 43 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 1: There was nothing else for girls except basketball. Well that 44 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 1: started my cheerleading career. To imagine your mother pulling a 45 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 1: stunt like this, pardon the pun. I actually had a 46 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: dream last night. I very rarely remember my dreams. The 47 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: most my mom did beside come to games to watch 48 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 1: me each year or watch the game. We had to 49 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 1: go door to door selling plastic cups with a smiley 50 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: face on them, and to show how strong they were 51 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: jack you would have to turn on what side down 52 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 1: to stand on them, and they did not break. I 53 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 1: think I still have one. Actually, that's about as involved 54 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 1: as she got dragging me door to door. Tried to 55 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: raise money for uniforms. But this is way way beyond 56 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 1: the pay what is alleged Levi Well, Nancy, this all 57 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: started when three members of this cheer team. There were 58 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 1: photos and videos that were sent to all members of 59 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:20,040 Speaker 1: the team, the parents, and it depicted these teenagers minor 60 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 1: girls in stages of undress, vaping, smoking and drinking. And 61 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: that is when an investigation was underway as to where 62 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: did these videos come from? And you know the thing, 63 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Leavin. The thing is when these videos of 64 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 1: the girls naked vaping were sent, the other cheer mom's 65 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:49,360 Speaker 1: got it, and I think the counselors got it. Hold 66 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:51,039 Speaker 1: hold on, leave, I'm gonna come right back to you. 67 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 1: But he just gave me a thought. Doctor jen Man. 68 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: You can find her on the Doctor Jen Show series 69 00:04:56,240 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: XM Jen. I remember our cheerleading Um, I guess you 70 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:07,359 Speaker 1: would say. Counselor was miss Norman? And I ran into 71 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: Miss Norman recently. This is, you know, twenty plus years 72 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 1: after and she said, yes, Nancy, you were wild, wild, wild, 73 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:17,479 Speaker 1: And I thought, wow, I never drank or smoke. How 74 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:21,359 Speaker 1: was I wild? She said, because you remember didn't like 75 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 1: something around your neck, which is treated this day like turtlenecks. 76 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 1: And you would always unbuttoned the top button on your 77 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: shirt on your cheerleading uniform. And I had to reprimand 78 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 1: you every game because then you turn around and you're 79 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 1: not button it again. And that was the Yeah, okay, 80 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 1: that was that was the big crime. And can you 81 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 1: imagine a naked video of one of the girls. I 82 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 1: can still remember when I had a little split in 83 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,840 Speaker 1: my bloomers and you could see my like that much 84 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:54,720 Speaker 1: of my underwear on the back during PEP rally. Of course, 85 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 1: nobody told me till the PEP rally was over. Then 86 00:05:56,960 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 1: everybody told me. So you can see that much of 87 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 1: why underweight back, and I never lived it down to 88 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: this day. Can you imagine one of these girls getting 89 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 1: naked videos and then trying to explain to everybody, Oh, 90 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 1: it's not real, it's a deep fake. Oh it's mortifying. 91 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:19,720 Speaker 1: It's absolutely mortifying, and obviously it's it's illegal, but it's 92 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 1: just really A mother who would go to this extreme 93 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 1: is clearly deeply pathological. That's one way to put it. 94 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 1: Deeply pathological. Of course I went and got my JD, 95 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:37,839 Speaker 1: not my psychology degree. Like you, what do you mean 96 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 1: by pathological? What exactly you know? Youse shrinks throw that 97 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 1: around all the time. What do you mean by pathological? 98 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: Let's say, if we can stomp doctor jan I think 99 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 1: she's googling it right now? Are you googling pathological? I'm 100 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: not as far as I'm tapping I've come prepared. I 101 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: promise you. I got a few degrees. I had to 102 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: study this stuff. But basically it means that they are 103 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 1: sick emotionally cognitively, that there's something very wrong with the 104 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 1: way that they think to him extead that they are 105 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: really unwell. And this is someone who clearly has no 106 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 1: idea of right and wrong when it comes to morality, 107 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 1: when it comes to parenting. I mean even just the 108 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 1: concept that she's creating something that is so harmful and 109 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: humiliating to children in order for her daughter to win 110 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 1: is that's crazy stuff. That's really crazy stuff when you 111 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 1: hear the details of this case. Guys, take a listen 112 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 1: to Sarah Blownquist at six ABC. A Bucks Counting woman 113 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 1: is under arrest after police say she sent fake pictures 114 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 1: of her teenage daughter's cheerleading rivals and compromising situations to 115 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: their coaches. Investigators say she was trying to get the 116 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 1: girls kicked off the team, the Victory Vipers and Chalfond. 117 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 1: Fifty year old Raphaeli spoe And is accused of manipulating 118 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 1: photos from the social media accounts of three girls to 119 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 1: make it look like they were drinking and smoking, and 120 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: even digitally altering them to make the girls appear that 121 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 1: they were unclothed. A suspect is alleged to have taken 122 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 1: a real picture and edited it through some photo shopping 123 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 1: app to make it look like this teenage girl had 124 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: no clothes on to appear new when in reality that 125 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 1: picture was a stream grab from the teenager's social media 126 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 1: in which she had a bathing suit on. Investigators say 127 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: Spone also sent messages with those faked pictures to the victims, 128 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 1: suggesting they kill themselves. Spone is charged with cyber harassment 129 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 1: of a child and harassment telling a teen girl she 130 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 1: should kill herself. I mean, my little girl just turned thirteen, 131 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 1: and the pressure on little girls to look a certain way, 132 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 1: be a certain way, a certain way is it's a crime. 133 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: And then you send a little girl, these are girls 134 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 1: a message that they should kill themselves. Crime Stories with 135 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Glenn Bard, former Pennsylvania State trooper, first class 136 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:33,439 Speaker 1: computer crime investigations veteran patctech dot com. You know, Glenn, 137 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:36,680 Speaker 1: when I first learned about this story, and again, it's 138 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 1: not a story. I'm using that in the loose sense 139 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 1: of the word. This isn't I made up fable. This 140 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 1: is real, with little girls getting videos of themselves naked vaping. Glenn. 141 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:53,079 Speaker 1: I was thinking, how, because you can see a little 142 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: clip of it without it being you know, profane, I 143 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 1: guess a naked child, you can generally see what the 144 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: clip is. And I thought, how, if this is true, 145 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 1: how does she do it? And then I thought of 146 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 1: something my son does all the time. He while I'm working, 147 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: will come up to me and take a picture. She 148 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: does it to his dad too, and then he will 149 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:18,599 Speaker 1: send me the Patrick seth. I'll be wearing like a 150 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 1: rasta hat with a long beard and dreads, and then 151 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 1: the next one my head will be attached to a mushroom. 152 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 1: I mean, it can be all kind of things. And 153 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 1: he can do that in one click. So maybe it's 154 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 1: not as difficult as it sounds. So how if she 155 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: did it? Did this woman? Raphael Ella spone fifty old 156 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 1: enough to know better? How did she do it? Well? 157 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 1: How this works? This is kind of like the new 158 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:46,679 Speaker 1: virgin of photoshop. Now we usually just take a photo 159 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 1: and kind of part out and put into one in 160 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 1: now that actually I've never done that, so we didn't 161 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:56,559 Speaker 1: photoshop anything. But I understand how it was done. Okay, 162 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 1: I know about the Kardashians. I know that much. It's 163 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 1: all I need to know. Go ahead, Well, certain people 164 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,679 Speaker 1: would do that. And what this does is using basically 165 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 1: artificial intelligence. These applications are able to take a still 166 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 1: frame an image from social media and not only put 167 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 1: it into a picture, but also now put it into video. 168 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 1: And because it's using this artificial intelligence, it's much more 169 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 1: exact and much more precise. So you're not going to 170 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 1: see like edges like we would in photoshop. You're not 171 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:27,680 Speaker 1: going to be able to see the differences in coloration. 172 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:30,680 Speaker 1: This is able to use the artificial intelligence, look at 173 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 1: the pixels and even make that image move along with 174 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:38,839 Speaker 1: the video. So it's very, very good, and it's because 175 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 1: technology getting better. It's allowing for more than to take place, 176 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 1: and it can be done on phones or on computer systems. 177 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 1: And the hard part about it is because it is 178 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 1: so good, it's very difficult to detect that it is 179 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:52,719 Speaker 1: one of these deep fakes. When it was photoshop is 180 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 1: very easy because you could just see that it was 181 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 1: clearly not the real original person. But because of this 182 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:03,080 Speaker 1: artificial intelligence makes it's so good, it's almost impossible, especially 183 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 1: to the human eye, the detect that it is into 184 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 1: the original person. Well, I've looked at what video has 185 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 1: been released, and I don't want to click on the 186 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 1: wrong thing because I don't want to click on video 187 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 1: of this little girl purportedly naked vaping. But I want 188 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 1: to see how they did it. I hear what you're saying. 189 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:27,680 Speaker 1: But they did not teach a computer tech or IT 190 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 1: tech in law school. I guess they should when it 191 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 1: comes to criminal procedure. Actually, that's a really good idea 192 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 1: note to self. But Joe Scott Morgan forensics expert, also 193 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: what is the difference in and break it down for me, 194 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: Joe Scott in a deep fake and photoshopping. I know 195 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:52,559 Speaker 1: Glenn Bard said it, but I think I need I 196 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 1: need a reto. What. Yeah, as Glenn was saying, it's 197 00:12:57,240 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 1: really hard to you know, in the days of this 198 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 1: kind of photoshopping that was going on years and years ago, 199 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:04,839 Speaker 1: and I guess to a certain extent today you can 200 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 1: actually appreciate that there's something that's not quite right with it. 201 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 1: But you know, when you watch a lot of these 202 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:15,839 Speaker 1: deep faiths that are on air and you know online now, 203 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 1: they're absolutely terrifying because they do have very clean edges, 204 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:24,199 Speaker 1: and so when you're watching this, even the facial expressions, 205 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 1: eye movement, all of this sort of thing and reaction 206 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 1: to what is being said and done is terrifying. And Ansie, 207 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 1: one more thing I want to add about this. I'm 208 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 1: I'm really thinking. You know, we were talking about how 209 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:40,439 Speaker 1: they had manipulated these she had manipulated these images of 210 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 1: these young girls. Let's repeat that again, young girls. You know, 211 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 1: I think that in certain jurisdictions, certain courts have held 212 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 1: that even some kind of manipulated image of a young 213 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:56,679 Speaker 1: child can bring about charges of child pornography. And I'm 214 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 1: really wondering that the DA has not toyed with this 215 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:02,680 Speaker 1: idea as well. Well, they have the guts to call 216 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: it what it is, manipulation into child porn. You know 217 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 1: a lot of people have not even heard the words 218 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 1: deep fake put together in one phrase until just recently. 219 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: Let's go to our cut fourteen. This is our friend 220 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 1: Carson Daly on the Today Show Take a List, and 221 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 1: it involves Tom Cruise. Is it Tom Cruise? Is it 222 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 1: not Tom Cruise. This week, it seemed like the actor 223 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: had joined TikTok as we thought, but it all turned 224 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 1: out to be a series of elaborate deep fake videos. 225 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 1: We're special effects take a person's likeness and apply to 226 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 1: somebody else. The Cruise ones from this week are being 227 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 1: called some of the best and most unsettling examples of 228 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 1: deep fakes. Yet these Tom Cruise tiktoks they reviewed eleven 229 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 1: million times before being made private. Fortune dot Com seems 230 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: to have discovered the guy behind them. Visual effects artist 231 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: Chris Yume has done some of these impressive deep fake 232 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 1: videos before, including one of Tom Cruise of an impersonator 233 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 1: in Miles Sure that was posted in January. That one 234 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 1: looking even more polished, while behind the scenes video from 235 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 1: Hume shows how the impersonator has turned into Cruise using 236 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 1: digital effects. Some people are saying that technology could have 237 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 1: eventually some serious implication for what's real and what's not. Well, 238 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 1: someone should have told that to Rafaela Spone, age fifty, 239 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 1: now standing accused and multiple crimes after she allegedly goes 240 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 1: after her daughter's cheerleading rivals by creating deep thanks of them, naked, vaping, smoking, 241 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 1: all of that being against cheer policy. Of course, Let's 242 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 1: take a listen to our cut thirteen still on Tom 243 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 1: Cruise with up tiptok. You guys cool if I play 244 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 1: some sports, I love. It worked for the audio experience 245 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 1: as much as the momentum. It was sent up sports 246 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 1: and TikTok fans. If you like what you're saying, sweet tild, 247 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 1: what's coming next? Kind of a maniacal laugh, and only 248 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 1: Tom Cruise can't emit. I've got to confess. I watched 249 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 1: all the deep fail you did too, all the deep 250 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 1: fakes of Tom Cruise, and I thought it was Tom Cruise. 251 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 1: Never met him in real life, but it looked like 252 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 1: Tom Cruise. So, Ken Belkin, criminal defense attorney practicing out 253 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 1: of New York right now. But he's in federal court, 254 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 1: which can be all over the country. Ken Belkin, you're 255 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 1: no stranger to the courtroom. This mother is looking at 256 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: some very serious penalties. Well they haven't hit her with 257 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: the worst of it, really, but she is facing, you know, 258 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 1: up to a year in jail and twenty five fine. 259 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: As one of your other gets pointed out, there should 260 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 1: be the potential possibility for child pornography charges and those 261 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:06,919 Speaker 1: could you know, be federal and those would come with 262 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:13,400 Speaker 1: extremely stiff penalties, multi year sentences, multi year sentences. But 263 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 1: if this is re examined as I think it should 264 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: be by the local prosecutor. With each deep fake on 265 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:26,880 Speaker 1: the three girls, that's an additional misdemeanor as a charge 266 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:31,440 Speaker 1: to stand right now. If there are other charges for 267 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 1: each individual victim, or each time, as in child porn, 268 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 1: you disseminate it or send it, think about it to 269 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 1: all the other girls on the squad, to all the chaperons, 270 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:47,120 Speaker 1: the counselors, to the parents. Each one of that dissemination 271 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 1: is a crime if those are run consecutively. She's looking 272 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 1: at it a long time behind bars, and guess what 273 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:57,679 Speaker 1: that is not bothering me at all. It will be 274 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 1: a cold day in Huble. Well that a mom does 275 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 1: this to one of my children and doesn't go to 276 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 1: jail warning. It supplies to you he's jumping in. It 277 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: was that well, Ken, I was gonna say, But to 278 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:15,400 Speaker 1: be fair, it's not like she actually made a video. 279 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 1: This was an artificial intelligence created. How can you even 280 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 1: say that she made the video. But it's not like 281 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 1: she actually filmed these these girls and put them in 282 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:29,119 Speaker 1: that situation, which you know was that much much worse. 283 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 1: The law is going to have to at some point 284 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 1: come to terms. Okay, so let me under, Jim Belken, 285 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:37,440 Speaker 1: you're saying she should get a gold star for not 286 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 1: actually stripping the girls and giving them ze pipes. Okay, now, 287 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 1: I say, you know, you know mother of the Year, 288 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 1: and she's at where do you get a law school? 289 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:52,920 Speaker 1: You've used that one on me before, then, have I darn? 290 00:18:53,200 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 1: I obviously didn't work crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, 291 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: so we're talking about a fifty year old mother translation 292 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:16,200 Speaker 1: old enough to know better. Her name Rafaeella Spone. Take 293 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:21,199 Speaker 1: a listen to our friend Stephanie gosque NBC News Today 294 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 1: authority Stay Behind It All was RAPHAELA Spone, whose own 295 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 1: daughter is a teammate of Himes on the Victory Viper's 296 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 1: cheer squad. Spone is now charged with three counts each 297 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 1: of cyber harassment of a child and harassment by client. 298 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,879 Speaker 1: Nice what they have charged her with, and we are 299 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 1: going to aggressively fight this. In a statement, the Victory 300 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:44,159 Speaker 1: Vipers said in part, their group has always promoted a 301 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 1: family environment and we are sorry for all individuals involved. 302 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:51,679 Speaker 1: And more from Stephanie Goskett NBCR Cut one, it's a 303 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:55,440 Speaker 1: troubling new take on cyber bullying. A mom in Pennsylvania 304 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: is accused this morning of using so called deep fakes 305 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 1: to anonymously harass members of her daughter's cheerleading team. I 306 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 1: think it was just so much like in shop, with 307 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:08,879 Speaker 1: everything going on, I couldn't really comprehend like what was 308 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:12,439 Speaker 1: going on, Maddie Himes says, after getting several threatening calls 309 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:15,880 Speaker 1: and texts from unknown numbers, some even saying she should 310 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:19,200 Speaker 1: take her own life. Her cheer coaches told Maddie they 311 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:23,399 Speaker 1: received this video that supposedly showed her vaping. She and 312 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 1: her mom shared it with us. They say it's fake. 313 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 1: I feel like if I said just allow like no one, 314 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,639 Speaker 1: no one would trust me. They have the video on 315 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:36,239 Speaker 1: proof even though the video wasn't real. Man, I know 316 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:40,360 Speaker 1: how that feels because my children are at the age 317 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:43,159 Speaker 1: or they can go online and read things that are 318 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 1: written about mommy, and I try to tell them be 319 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:51,879 Speaker 1: careful of what you read and try to understand and 320 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: decipher if it's true or not. And this teen girl 321 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 1: is put in the position of seeing a video of 322 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:03,119 Speaker 1: herself naked vyeing and feeling like no one would believe 323 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 1: she was telling the truth. Take a listen to Eva 324 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 1: pilgrim at GMA. Mattie him was sixteen years old when 325 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 1: one of her coaches pulled her aside over this video 326 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 1: appearing to show her vaping, a violation of squad rules. 327 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 1: I went in the car and started crying and was like, 328 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:21,920 Speaker 1: that's not me on video, Mattie eventually telling her mother 329 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:25,719 Speaker 1: someone had been sending her manipulated photos of herself along 330 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:29,679 Speaker 1: with these text messages identifying themselves as a concerned parent. 331 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:32,679 Speaker 1: When she texted back who is this, she received a 332 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 1: generic response from a texting app that lets you choose 333 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:38,639 Speaker 1: your own phone number. It had actually been going on 334 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 1: for quite a while. I just didn't know about it. 335 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:43,359 Speaker 1: I told her I'm going to call the police because 336 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 1: I wanted her to know. That's how much I believed her. 337 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 1: When you use that app for fake phone numbers, and 338 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 1: I've actually advised people to use them when they're online dating, 339 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 1: so until you know the person you're going to meet. 340 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 1: They're so easy to use. You can use it with 341 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 1: your regular phone, but it emits a different cell number, 342 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,119 Speaker 1: So until you know the person's on the up and 343 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 1: up that you're going to meet, use that fake phone 344 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 1: number app. Now, She RAFAELA Stone deny she had anything 345 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 1: to do with this, but take a listen again to 346 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 1: Eva Pilgrim. GMA police say they traced the calls back 347 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:30,200 Speaker 1: to Aella's home and found evidence on her phone linking 348 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,720 Speaker 1: her to the messages. There was a lot of masking, 349 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:36,120 Speaker 1: a lot of spoofing, a lot of cloaking going on, 350 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 1: and this is something, unfortunately, we're seeing all too frequently 351 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 1: now with technological advances, so called deep fakes are becoming 352 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 1: more and more common. Let me go back to our 353 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 1: forensic sex verse. Glenn bar joining me, former Pennsylvania's State 354 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:57,639 Speaker 1: Trooper Computer Crimes Investigations, A US veteran, now he runs 355 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 1: pat C pat see Tech Digital Forensics patsytech dot com. Glanbart, 356 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:13,400 Speaker 1: I just heard masking, spoofing, cloaking. When I hear cloaking, 357 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 1: I guess you're familiar with Captain's Mister Spock and Captain 358 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:23,680 Speaker 1: Kirk and a cloaking device, or if not, maybe seeing 359 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 1: the cloak of invisibility with Harry Potter. That's all I 360 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 1: can think of. So what do they mean as it 361 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 1: relates to this case? Technically, Well, what they're doing with 362 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 1: this is they are using a phone number. It doesn't 363 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 1: come back to les A ATMT Rise and Sprint and 364 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 1: T Mobile. When you get phone numbers or three types, 365 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 1: a mobile network operator, a mobile virtual network operator, and 366 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,679 Speaker 1: one of these from an application, which is essentially just 367 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:53,639 Speaker 1: a void voice over Internet protocol phone number. And the 368 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:57,120 Speaker 1: thing about it, people think that these applications just magically 369 00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 1: make a number up, and they can't because they would 370 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 1: do that. They may actually make up yours or somebody 371 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 1: else's all the numbers have been accounted for it. But 372 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:09,159 Speaker 1: what these applications do is a purchase a number that 373 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 1: isn't being used from a wholesaler. There's one main one 374 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,439 Speaker 1: that everybody deals with. They purchase these numbers and they 375 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 1: assign it to that user in that application. And the 376 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,439 Speaker 1: cloaking it's going is basically it's making it so the 377 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 1: number doesn't come back to you individually through a cell 378 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 1: phone company. And also, because most of us have our 379 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 1: phone numbers out there through other means, it's pretty easy 380 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 1: to find their numbers by searching it and so on. 381 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 1: This new number that doesn't come back to one of 382 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 1: the providers can kind of be a hidden number that 383 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 1: allows them to use it more free of being identified. 384 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,680 Speaker 1: That's the cloaking taking place. Okay, I managed to keep 385 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 1: up with you on that one, you know to Justice 386 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics at Jacksonville State University after place 387 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 1: Trice to call and found out that she was as 388 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:02,120 Speaker 1: Glenn barn has just told us cloaking or true number. 389 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 1: With this cloaking app they search for phone. How what 390 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 1: does that mean? If you could explain to people that 391 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:12,880 Speaker 1: haven't had to do it as we have, when you 392 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,159 Speaker 1: execute a search warrant which has been approved by a 393 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 1: judge or a magistrate to search a phone, what does 394 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 1: that mean and how do you do it? Yeah, well, 395 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:28,400 Speaker 1: this is the key, Nancy. First off, with electronic forensics, 396 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:30,639 Speaker 1: you have to be very careful. I teach my students 397 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:34,440 Speaker 1: at Jacksonville State when we're going through some of these 398 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 1: procedures that you use at crime scenes. Imagine that any 399 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:41,239 Speaker 1: kind of electronic device is essentially like you're dealing with 400 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: a landmine. You don't want to touch anything. You want 401 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,159 Speaker 1: to be very careful once you've identified this thing, because 402 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 1: in the field, when we collect these items, we have 403 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,920 Speaker 1: to get these things back to a certified technician, forensic 404 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:56,239 Speaker 1: technician that can actually kind of you know, kind of 405 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 1: take this thing apart and look at it very carefully, 406 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 1: because if you don't, you will you run the risk 407 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: of potentially ruining everything that's contained therein in that particular device. 408 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 1: And so these computers, phones, they have a specific identifier 409 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,440 Speaker 1: in them that has linkage back to the person that's 410 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 1: being accused of the crime, and that is a specific 411 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 1: identifier that ultimately goes back to framing who this person 412 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 1: was that was starting the crime to begin with. And 413 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,360 Speaker 1: make no mistake, Nancy, there's are serious charges and this 414 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,919 Speaker 1: is a crime that she's involved in, and that phone 415 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,159 Speaker 1: is going to link her back to all of this. Okay, 416 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:43,200 Speaker 1: just thinking about what she allegedly did and the impact 417 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 1: that it is having. Mac to Levi Page Crime Online 418 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,880 Speaker 1: dot com investigative reporter and host of Crime and Scandal 419 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 1: to Crime podcast. What do we know about the rivalry 420 00:26:55,000 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 1: that seemingly existed between Raphaela Stone age fifties and the 421 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 1: other girls? Why would she have resorted to this? What 422 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 1: did she hope to achieve? Well, Nancy, one of the 423 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 1: fathers of one of the girls that was targeted said 424 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,919 Speaker 1: that a lot of the parents were concerned about the 425 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 1: behavior from Raffael Spone's daughter. They didn't approve of it. 426 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 1: They didn't go into specifics, but they wanted their daughters 427 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,879 Speaker 1: to distance themselves from her because they didn't want her 428 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 1: to pick up whatever she was doing and be around that. 429 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:32,199 Speaker 1: And that is what made this mother do this. That 430 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 1: was the motive. Talk about high school mean girls, and 431 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:50,159 Speaker 1: now it hasn't infected the mother. According to police climb 432 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace, we're talking about a mother, Rafaela Spone, 433 00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:05,160 Speaker 1: who creates deep thanks so believable that the coaches, the parents, 434 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 1: the other cheerleaders believe their fellow cheerleaders were actually naked, 435 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:14,199 Speaker 1: vaping and smoking cigarettes. One girl says she went and 436 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,680 Speaker 1: sat in the car and cried. She wanted to say 437 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 1: that's not me, but yet there was a video of 438 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 1: her in that position. Why over cheer rivalry. But I 439 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 1: hate to tell you it's not the first time mothers 440 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 1: break the rules, including committing crimes to further their daughters, 441 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 1: to further their child. As a matter of fact, here's 442 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 1: a recent one. Take a listen to Cody Long at 443 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 1: b KRG News five. This investigation started in November when 444 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 1: the school district received a report that there was unauthorized 445 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 1: access to some of the students accounts. And then today 446 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 1: the Florida Department of Law Enforcement arrested fifty year old 447 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 1: Laura Carroll. She is an assistant principal at Bellevue Elementary School. 448 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 1: Her daughter is a student at Tate High School, but 449 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 1: we're not releasing her name because she is seventeen years old. 450 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 1: They're accused of accessing student focus accounts after hundreds of 451 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 1: votes for Tate High School's homecoming court were flagged as fraudulent. 452 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 1: Investigators say a hundred and seventeen votes came from the 453 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 1: same IP address. Multiple students told FDLE that the daughter 454 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 1: described using her mother's Focus account to cast those votes. 455 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 1: Carroll was booked and released today from the Escambia County Jail. 456 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 1: Her daughter was taken to the Juvenile Detention Center Good 457 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 1: Lord in Heaven, Doctor gin Man, I started to go 458 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 1: to leave my page for more facts on that, but 459 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 1: I think I need a shrink quickly because from what 460 00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 1: I'm understanding, an assistant principle down in Florida and her 461 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 1: daughter hack into students school. My children have them, and 462 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 1: they're only allowed to do schoolwork. They can't send emails, 463 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 1: they can't look up things on Google all they can 464 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 1: do schoolwork on those accounts, and they get flagged if 465 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 1: they do anything else. Apparently this assistant principle, according to authorities, 466 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 1: hack the students accounts and cast one hundred and seventeen 467 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 1: fake ballots for a homecoming court for Pete's sake, of 468 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 1: all things, and they find one hundred and seventeen votes 469 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 1: from one IP address. I mean, what is this mother thinking? 470 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 1: An assistant principle to top it all off? And I 471 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,120 Speaker 1: think one of the things that is a constant with 472 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 1: both of these stories that is particurely troubling is this 473 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:58,720 Speaker 1: concept that you want your child to win, but not legitimately. 474 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 1: It's somehow the win is more important than actually the 475 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,920 Speaker 1: process of the hard work that goes into cheerleading and 476 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 1: winning or home kind of homecoming and campaigning so that 477 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:14,600 Speaker 1: your friend's vote for you. That's the important life skill 478 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 1: aspect of both of these stories is completely missing in 479 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 1: the parents understanding and desire for their kids to win. 480 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 1: And look what parent doesn't want their kids to win, 481 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 1: but to want them to win at all costs and 482 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 1: so illegitimately not to mention that you commit a crime 483 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:37,479 Speaker 1: to do it. It's really not, you know, to Ken Belkin, 484 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 1: criminal defense attorney, my son, my daughter was too shy 485 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 1: to do it. But my son ran for student body, 486 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 1: some positional student body, and the most idea was come 487 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 1: up with a slogan, don't be a granch, vote for Lanch. 488 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 1: It worked. He won. Actually, I can't take anybred at whatsoever. 489 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 1: But I can't imagine hacking into the student's computer accounts 490 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 1: to get your daughter. I guess, get your daughter on 491 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 1: homecoming court. She's gonna be on homecoming court in Jimmy 492 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 1: jail for Pete's sake. That's what mommy got her. I mean, 493 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 1: what happens to these parents? Don't they understand this is 494 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 1: breaking the law, hacking into a computer account that aren't yours. 495 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 1: But by the way, you know, all this is happening 496 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,000 Speaker 1: more and more, And in fact, I got a case 497 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 1: last week. I was hired on involving something very similar 498 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 1: out you know, in New York. And the fact of 499 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 1: the matter is, most of the time these are otherwise 500 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 1: very good, upstanding citizens. But I guess they're in the 501 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 1: privacy of their home and they're on their computer and 502 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 1: they just don't have the wherewood all to understand that, yes, 503 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,480 Speaker 1: you can break the law from in the privacy of 504 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,600 Speaker 1: your home and on your laptop. It is entirely possible. 505 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 1: And Jackie here in the studio wants me to tell 506 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:59,480 Speaker 1: everybody that the team girl in question did win homecoming. Queen. 507 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 1: Am I supposed to be impressed with the fact that 508 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 1: she cheated. She and her mother cheated her way to 509 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 1: homecoming Queen. I don't think that's gonna stand. I think 510 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,120 Speaker 1: there's gonna be a recall, and I don't want to 511 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 1: even say voter fraud right now. But what these parents 512 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 1: the links they will go to back to you. Glenn Bard, 513 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:23,160 Speaker 1: retired Pennsylvania State Trooper first Class and expert in computer 514 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:30,600 Speaker 1: crime investigations. Glenn just explain for the novices joining us 515 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:35,440 Speaker 1: how a vote, for instance, can be traced back to 516 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:39,959 Speaker 1: a quote to a quote IP address. Well, what they 517 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,920 Speaker 1: mentioned the IP address. But IP address is a protocol 518 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:48,120 Speaker 1: and it will identify basically the router or your access 519 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,040 Speaker 1: pointing to the Internet when that vote would take place. 520 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 1: Anything you do using an email, you access a website, 521 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 1: whatever it does, that server basically takes a stamp of 522 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:05,680 Speaker 1: your IP addressed. For instance, UM series XM WI Fi 523 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,920 Speaker 1: or a Fox Nation Wi Fi. It shows that or 524 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:13,399 Speaker 1: your specific device. Well, it's going to show when what's 525 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:17,719 Speaker 1: going to happen is between behind that firewall that that 526 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,439 Speaker 1: router is going to be. All the individual devices, they'll 527 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:24,040 Speaker 1: have their own internal private IP, but they all communicate 528 00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:27,120 Speaker 1: with one thing, which is going to be that router 529 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,120 Speaker 1: which goes outside world. It's kind of like the same 530 00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,240 Speaker 1: thing of your office. If I call it the main number, 531 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:36,480 Speaker 1: you're gonna have different extensions behind it. That one main 532 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,319 Speaker 1: number can go to different extensions, and that's that IP 533 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,560 Speaker 1: does that. I will be the IP of that gateway, 534 00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:46,120 Speaker 1: that router, and then behind it you'll have different internal 535 00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:49,719 Speaker 1: IP addresses. But the thing about it is what's going 536 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:53,280 Speaker 1: to happen that IP they'll see, they'll see the external 537 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,120 Speaker 1: or public IP address. It comes back to a location, 538 00:34:56,280 --> 00:35:01,000 Speaker 1: a person's house, your guys's studios, my forensic it'll go 539 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:04,000 Speaker 1: back to that and then once you get to that location, 540 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,480 Speaker 1: you can actually examine that router and identify all the 541 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:11,040 Speaker 1: devices that are inside that network. And what will happen 542 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,280 Speaker 1: is a good forensic examination will even tell us exactly 543 00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,960 Speaker 1: which one of those devices happened to be the one 544 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:21,160 Speaker 1: making these votes by looking at different web histories and 545 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,520 Speaker 1: the archived data and the artifacts on that device. So 546 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:28,919 Speaker 1: it's basically kind of like again looking at the main 547 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:33,600 Speaker 1: number to your studios and then devices behind their extensions, 548 00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:38,120 Speaker 1: but instead they are public versus private IP addresses. Well, 549 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,160 Speaker 1: you know, criminal defense attorney Ken Bell, can you put 550 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:43,040 Speaker 1: somebody like Glan Bard or just Scott Morgan on the stand. 551 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:47,480 Speaker 1: This lady doesn't have a chance. But I want to 552 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:51,680 Speaker 1: point out that court records that have been obtained suggest 553 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:55,560 Speaker 1: that the daughter, Spoun's daughter did not know what her 554 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:59,359 Speaker 1: mom was doing as of right now. Of course, these 555 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,920 Speaker 1: two moms, as the assistant principal and Spoon allegedly aren't 556 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:07,840 Speaker 1: the only ones. Take a listen to our friends at ABC. 557 00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,200 Speaker 1: Megan was just shy of her fourteenth birthday when what 558 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,960 Speaker 1: seemed to be a budding online relationship with a boy 559 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:21,080 Speaker 1: calling himself Josh Evans ended badly, what's going on there? 560 00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:27,240 Speaker 1: How about what is going on there? My daughter herself. 561 00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,279 Speaker 1: The tragedy was compounded when it was learned that the 562 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,480 Speaker 1: cyber friendship that drove her to hang herself had been 563 00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:37,840 Speaker 1: a hoax, other kids posing as a fictitious boy. The 564 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,840 Speaker 1: sense of outrage deepened when one of the young participants 565 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,239 Speaker 1: in the hoax came forward. She told us she had 566 00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:50,920 Speaker 1: information that it was Laurie Drew who created this MySpace account, 567 00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:54,720 Speaker 1: along with her eighteen year old employee and her daughter. 568 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,840 Speaker 1: Laurie Drew was not another preteen, but the mother of 569 00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:01,560 Speaker 1: a girl who lived down the street. So what happened 570 00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:06,680 Speaker 1: is this little girl, Megan Meyer, thirteen years old, thought 571 00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:12,399 Speaker 1: she had a boyfriend online and it was all just 572 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,759 Speaker 1: a big lie. It wasn't real. And then she was 573 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:19,000 Speaker 1: cyber bullied, and the little girl, God rest her soul 574 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:23,000 Speaker 1: and God be with her family, hung herself. It turned 575 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:28,400 Speaker 1: out the little boy was fictitious, created by mean girls 576 00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:35,840 Speaker 1: and a mom. And now we had this woman, Raphaela Spone. 577 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:39,439 Speaker 1: I mean, it's one thing bad enough to send deep 578 00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,640 Speaker 1: fakes of a teen girl naked vaping us, bad enough, 579 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:51,080 Speaker 1: but to suggest she commits suicide. We wait as justice 580 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:55,239 Speaker 1: and fools. Nancy Gray's crime story, signing off Goodbye Friend,