Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me. We all about
Speaker 1: that high school drama. Girl drama girl, all about them
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Speaker 2: We'll take you for a ride.
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Speaker 2: Hillary, your hair looks so great today for our listeners.
Speaker 2: Hillary's got her full curls happening at which I miss seeing,
Speaker 2: and she's wearing a Whitney Houston T shirt.
Speaker 4: Baby, I hit the target hard. This summer target sometimes
Speaker 4: surprises me. I'm just gonna throw it out there. Like
Speaker 4: sometimes I'm just walking through thinking I'm gonna get paper towels,
Speaker 4: and then I see a Whitney Houston shirt and get
Speaker 4: totally sidetracked.
Speaker 2: Guys, we'll get into the episode. But what's with the
Speaker 2: curly hair right now? Madd in trouble because mine's going
Speaker 2: gray too, and I feel like it's losing a little
Speaker 2: bit of it's lester. But your hair always looks so
Speaker 2: great when it's curly. What are you doing?
Speaker 4: It's never been curlier because I'm not like coloring it.
Speaker 4: I'm not putting chemicals on it, and so it's never
Speaker 4: been curlier, and I don't do anything to it anymore.
Speaker 4: I wake up and I put oil in it.
Speaker 5: Oil.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I put way oil in it, and that's it.
Speaker 4: And it's just saving me so much time because with
Speaker 4: two kids in two different schools and like full responsibilities
Speaker 4: there and then work responsibilities, the amount of time I
Speaker 4: used to spend blowing it out is just not there
Speaker 4: right now. We might get there one day, Today's not
Speaker 4: that day. No, not that day. Also, I feel like,
Speaker 4: do you feel like post pandemic aesthetics have changed a
Speaker 4: little bit where all of the really polished stuff is
Speaker 4: like why would you do that? Like, yeah, everything's gone
Speaker 4: a little sideways.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we started zoom meetings and people were still dressing
Speaker 2: up like they were at work, and then eventually it
Speaker 2: was just full pajamas work meetings and T shirts.
Speaker 4: I kind of love it, though, Listen, let's just get weird.
Speaker 4: It's the exact opposite of what this episode was because
Speaker 4: I laughed so hard at this group of women trying
Speaker 4: to take care of babies and also throw birthday parties
Speaker 4: in high heels. And dresses, full outfits on no sleep.
Speaker 4: I am wearing fucking Sketchers right now. I'm wearing mom
Speaker 4: Sketchers sneakers because that's what you wear when you're parenting.
Speaker 4: Your brain's out.
Speaker 2: I need to pull out my crocs. That's what I
Speaker 2: was shuffling around in this morning. Yes, oh, birthday parties
Speaker 2: and heels. Give me a break, those sweet little girls. Okay,
Speaker 2: what do you think, Sophia? You want to read the intro?
Speaker 1: Oh boy, guys, here we are. Season five, episode fifteen,
Speaker 1: Life is Short. This originally aired April twenty eighth, two
Speaker 1: thousand and eight. God, the era of the fancy short.
Speaker 1: I would like I would just like to burn two
Speaker 1: thousand and eight to the ground.
Speaker 4: No one did it better than you. The color of
Speaker 4: our DVD where you're in the shorts and iconic.
Speaker 1: Why why did we decide that was Brooks thing? Anyway?
Speaker 1: Not the point. The snopsis of the episode is that
Speaker 1: Lindsay retreat legs. Lindsay returns to tree Hill for Jamie's
Speaker 1: fifth birthday party, giving Lucas hope for their relationship, I mean,
Speaker 1: maybe false hope. Who knows Brooke and Peyton prepare for
Speaker 1: life with a new baby. Meanwhile, Dan tries to work
Speaker 1: himself back into the lives of his family, ultimately divulging
Speaker 1: a grave secret to Nathan and Hayley. This episode was
Speaker 1: directed by our very own Paul Johansen.
Speaker 4: Yay. I remember directing this one vividly. I you do, don't, Yes,
Speaker 4: but either there's so many like what do the kids
Speaker 4: call them? Gifts, memes, whatever they are, there's so many
Speaker 4: of that montage of us trying to soothe Yes that
Speaker 4: I remember.
Speaker 1: I just didn't realize it was Paul.
Speaker 4: What was hilarious is you know, like we did all
Speaker 4: of our coverage, like doing the things being hilarious and
Speaker 4: and then it was Angie's coverage and she didn't want
Speaker 4: to cry, and it became a problem of how are
Speaker 4: we gonna make this baby cry? And like her mom
Speaker 4: came in. I remember her mom coming in and being like,
Speaker 4: cry baby, Like come on, you cry all the time.
Speaker 4: Why are you not doing it right now? And I
Speaker 4: remember Paul being like should I get in there, and
Speaker 4: kind of oh, we'll be the situation and started trying
Speaker 4: to be like scary and we're like, Paul, now this
Speaker 4: is like, ah, this will be a core memory. This
Speaker 4: baby doll. It was stressful because she didn't want to
Speaker 4: cry in that moment.
Speaker 1: Well, I that's what I remember is that she was
Speaker 1: actually very amused, and we were like, yeah, it's worth
Speaker 1: like it's actually working. We're making this baby happy. And
Speaker 1: you and and I were like what do we do? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and the idea that you were supposed to scare a
Speaker 1: baby felt horrible.
Speaker 4: We didn't want to do that. Did We just.
Speaker 1: Like wind up leaving her alone in that crib for
Speaker 1: a while.
Speaker 2: Till she got her I think we might have had
Speaker 2: to ignore she just got bored. Somebody pay attention to me.
Speaker 4: But like making TV so dumb like that, it's like
Speaker 4: it scripted baby cries, right, and there's no one that
Speaker 4: thinks through the process of how are you going to
Speaker 4: make that baby cry?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is like having a dog on set too,
Speaker 2: with the dog trainers that come and they they're trying
Speaker 2: to lead the dog around or make it do a trick,
Speaker 2: and it just will never do it exactly the moment
Speaker 2: that you needed to. They end up like smearing peanut
Speaker 2: butter on your ear or something.
Speaker 4: No. I loved all the kid energy in this episode.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was fun.
Speaker 4: I just wanted to squeeze them. God, they were all
Speaker 4: so cute. It was Jamie being cute with little Angie.
Speaker 2: There was a lot of kid energy, even with million
Speaker 2: and Mouth and Skills and all the boys.
Speaker 1: I love.
Speaker 2: This was fun.
Speaker 1: Their storyline might have been my favorite thing in the episode.
Speaker 2: Yeah, me too.
Speaker 1: I loved what was happening in that apartment.
Speaker 4: Maybe that's what it was. It was like it was
Speaker 4: all the home situations were figuring themselves out in this episode,
Speaker 4: Like your house, Haley, like things are getting back to normal,
Speaker 4: things seem healthy. Brooke's trying to figure out what her
Speaker 4: home situation is.
Speaker 2: Who can help the two of you in that house
Speaker 2: with a bit I mean out loud Hillary coming around
Speaker 2: the corner.
Speaker 4: I do I want to sleep?
Speaker 2: And your hair and you're just everything about you. It
Speaker 2: was so great.
Speaker 4: You know what I liked is that it felt like
Speaker 4: a marriage. It felt like Peyton and Brooke were in
Speaker 4: a marriage and like doing the whole newlywed thing. I'm like,
Speaker 4: we're gonna figure this out. Yeah, it felt very safe
Speaker 4: and happy to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wrote down that I really liked watching us
Speaker 1: do a buddy comedy. Like the whole opening sequence. It
Speaker 1: was long, The two of us before it moved anywhere,
Speaker 1: and it was so funny to me, and I was like,
Speaker 1: oh man, this is nice. Look at us. We're not
Speaker 1: like surviving a stalker or sobbing or hitting each other.
Speaker 4: We're just getting punched.
Speaker 1: We're a great time. And I like to watch it.
Speaker 2: That feels like a movie. I would like to see that.
Speaker 2: She probably should have been done in the early two thousands,
Speaker 2: like a female version of is it Look who's talking
Speaker 2: with the three men and a baby? But it's three
Speaker 2: but like bachelorettes and just girls that are like in
Speaker 2: college and VI Beta Kappa or whatever, and they're like,
Speaker 2: I don't know what to do with this thing.
Speaker 4: I didn't realize how scandalous it was to see like
Speaker 4: a really young chick with a baby, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean. Like at the time, I didn't think there
Speaker 4: was anything weird about it, and watching it now in
Speaker 4: my forties, I'm like, oh my god, who would give
Speaker 4: a baby to these children?
Speaker 1: Ah, Eldred do that they are children.
Speaker 2: I loved this though.
Speaker 4: Yeah they didn't send any instructions, yeah, like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they literally handed you a baby in the
Speaker 2: airport and just walked off. It was just you and
Speaker 2: this baby.
Speaker 4: They were like a look, by the way, not.
Speaker 1: Far off right, Like the universal thing that every single friend,
Speaker 1: no matter at what stage in their life says when
Speaker 1: they have a baby, is they just let you take
Speaker 1: it home from the hospital. They just send you home
Speaker 1: with this baby and nobody checks on you.
Speaker 2: And it's like, yeah, it's kind of insane. I told
Speaker 2: you what the nurse said at the hospital. Did I
Speaker 2: mention this? After I gave Birthers The first night in
Speaker 2: the hospital and they bring out they roll out the
Speaker 2: little plastic bacinet. I swear I've said this before. I'm
Speaker 2: sorry if I have. They roll the little plastic basinet
Speaker 2: and they pull it next to your bed and it's
Speaker 2: your first night and they give you that little it's
Speaker 2: like a rubber it looks like a rubber ducky with
Speaker 2: a oh the sneeze the hand of it, yeah, the
Speaker 2: snot squeezer. And she hands it to me and she's like, Okay,
Speaker 2: good luck, guys, we'll see you in the morning. And
Speaker 2: I was like, what do I do with this? And
Speaker 2: she said, well, if she starts sort of choking or
Speaker 2: gurgling in the middle of the night, you just reach
Speaker 2: over and like squeeze it and extract whatever's in her
Speaker 2: mouth out of with this tube. I was like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I mean, but like I just had a baby, I'm
Speaker 2: pretty tired. What if I am sleep and I don't
Speaker 2: hear her? She goes, oh, well, then she'll choke. She'll
Speaker 2: like like choke and then like cough it up and
Speaker 2: like no, no, she'll die.
Speaker 4: Jolie, where did you give birth? Hand over? Oh my god,
Speaker 4: Oh my god, Joy, that's horrifying.
Speaker 1: That's hord.
Speaker 4: It was.
Speaker 2: I just I just looked over it. I looked at Michael.
Speaker 2: I was like, he was like, I'll stay awake, I'll
Speaker 2: do the first shift. Don't worry.
Speaker 4: That is not normal.
Speaker 2: What can you imagine saying that too? But but it's
Speaker 2: true so many people, especially when you're just used to
Speaker 2: having being around babies or I guess if you're handing
Speaker 2: off babies to people all the time, it's just like
Speaker 2: there you go. It's no big deal. But Brooke handled
Speaker 2: it really well. I mean, I loved watching you go
Speaker 2: through all the rollercoaster of emotions in this episode. But
Speaker 2: it was NonStop. You were laughing and then crying and
Speaker 2: then falling over and then falling asleep and then working
Speaker 2: really hard and then grossed out and then laughing and
Speaker 2: crying again. It was all great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I loved it. I thought it was really super sweet,
Speaker 1: and there was like, as much as I could tell,
Speaker 1: this was another strike episode where I was like, oh boy,
Speaker 1: we could have really done with just like a polish
Speaker 1: on this script. Like the I thought the device that
Speaker 1: you brought up Hill, the everyone exploring their home life
Speaker 1: worked well because we kind of just had to use
Speaker 1: the locations we knew we'd have and make the best
Speaker 1: of them. And so this this sort of reversion into
Speaker 1: childhood with Jamie's birthday party setting the scene and then
Speaker 1: Brooke and Peyton having this baby, and then the guys
Speaker 1: trying to figure out how to grow up in their
Speaker 1: apartment and Millie saying, no, guys, it's cool, we can
Speaker 1: play like kids.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: As much as I had moments where I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, when is this episode going to be over?
Speaker 1: I also I also really thought it was sweet and
Speaker 1: fun and I kind of loved it. I loved the
Speaker 1: way Mouth sort of wrangled the maturity and then Millie
Speaker 1: was like not so fast.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, this won me over this episode when it
Speaker 2: started I was in the same boat. I was kind
Speaker 2: of like, yeah, man, I got to watch a five
Speaker 2: year old's birthday party, Like, why am I watching this
Speaker 2: on TV?
Speaker 1: It's not.
Speaker 2: Drama? But it did win me over for sure. And
Speaker 2: there was so much throwback stuff in this episode. The
Speaker 2: Facebook status mention, the charts, you know, the Macy's like
Speaker 2: it was all just so May is still super relevant obviously,
Speaker 2: but like there's so many other things that just felt
Speaker 2: like a huge throwback that I kind of started to
Speaker 2: fall in love with it.
Speaker 4: And the story did.
Speaker 2: I agree it needed to rewrite like a polish, but
Speaker 2: the story did progress pretty well. Yeah, and even ending up,
Speaker 2: you know, reminding us all the things of Dan and
Speaker 2: ending up with Nathan and Dan having that conversation, and
Speaker 2: I feel like there was a lot that came out
Speaker 2: of its good.
Speaker 4: You go from peyden Brooks place that's chaos and then
Speaker 4: to Mouth's place, which is also chaos. But this whole
Speaker 4: thing about like Millie's underwear, that was.
Speaker 1: What I was gonna say, You guys, gross.
Speaker 2: Gross, but like very real. I mean it is very
Speaker 2: teenage boy. Yeah, yeah, very teenage like twenties boys. But gross,
Speaker 2: have you guys ever lived with a bunch of guys. Yes, yes,
Speaker 2: I mean Hillary, you did with your brother's obviously.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean.
Speaker 4: Even when I first moved to New York, I moved
Speaker 4: into the dorms and I lived with like eight or
Speaker 4: nine other girls, because the dorms where I went to
Speaker 4: school were like sweets. So it's three bedrooms, three girls
Speaker 4: per bedroom, and then you had like the living room
Speaker 4: and kitchen area. So I went from living with all
Speaker 4: brothers to like a fleet of women, many of whom
Speaker 4: I'm still friends with. But it was an environment that
Speaker 4: I wasn't totally comfortable. So I started dating this much
Speaker 4: older dude who lived in one of these kind of
Speaker 4: like mouth junk furgie skills apartments, and it was all dudes.
Speaker 4: Some of them worked at MTV with me. They all
Speaker 4: had their girlfriends come over. But the energy of living
Speaker 4: with all guys and being like, I'm gonna make chili,
Speaker 4: what do you guys, I'm gonna make banana bread to
Speaker 4: win you guys over, and then getting yelled at because
Speaker 4: I would leave my hair in the drain, Like those
Speaker 4: kinds of relationships really informed I think my marriage now,
Speaker 4: like living with a lot of dudes is an important
Speaker 4: life skill you have to navigate that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, after college, my parents were crushed. They were like,
Speaker 1: when when will you move home for your first summer?
Speaker 1: And I was like, I'm never moving home again. And
Speaker 1: I moved into All my best guy friends in college
Speaker 1: lived in this house together. There were eight of them
Speaker 1: in a house like right off campus near usc so fun.
Speaker 1: Two of them were moving home for the summer and
Speaker 1: so me and one of my girlfriends took their two rooms.
Speaker 1: So it was two girls and six dudes in a
Speaker 1: house and we had so much fun. But it is
Speaker 1: it's like it's a total life lesson. And when I
Speaker 1: think about, you know, every summer, like going to camp
Speaker 1: and then being a camp counselor, I spent so much
Speaker 1: time in big groups and you know, big cod groups.
Speaker 1: But the cabins were always groups of girls, and then
Speaker 1: there was like groups of other people's daughters that I
Speaker 1: was responsible for. And suddenly, yeah, I'm living in this
Speaker 1: house and thank god I had like one other ally
Speaker 1: to roll my eyes with to be like, what are
Speaker 1: these idiots doing? But we were basically like the camp
Speaker 1: counselors for these six boys, and we had so much fun.
Speaker 2: Yes, I love that you were a camp counselor. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: it's my favorite, And I wish I'd had that experience.
Speaker 2: It's so fun.
Speaker 1: We had that big supermoon here and I went with
Speaker 1: a bunch of friends, Like we went out to the
Speaker 1: beach to see it. It was like the last one
Speaker 1: until twenty thirty seven. We were like, we got to
Speaker 1: do something fun. We showed up to the beach and
Speaker 1: I just like got all the bags out of the
Speaker 1: trunk of a sh a word, what are what's in
Speaker 1: these Mary Poppins bags?
Speaker 4: Like why do you have all this?
Speaker 1: I was like, guys, being a cam counselor never dies, never.
Speaker 1: I'm prepped and ready.
Speaker 4: That's what it feels like, though you're right, it.
Speaker 2: Feels like Millie's the camp counselor.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And I also feel like our culture really kind of
Speaker 4: romanticizes this kind of roommate situation, Like we grew up
Speaker 4: with Threes Company, you know, the New Girl was on
Speaker 4: the air forever, you know, Like there's a lot of
Speaker 4: TV shows about that odd man out roommate situation that
Speaker 4: make it seem so fun, like so fun, And I
Speaker 4: had forgotten that our show was in the mix. I
Speaker 4: like that we have this little interaction because all of
Speaker 4: these people living on their own is not realistic. When
Speaker 4: you are in your early twenties, you're broke and you
Speaker 4: live with as many people as possible, so you can
Speaker 4: split the twenty different.
Speaker 1: Ways well underwear a side. I did think that the
Speaker 1: energy was so so cute. And when Mouth and Millie
Speaker 1: come back from their grocery trip and they can't believe
Speaker 1: what the apartment looks like, Lisa Goldstein made me do
Speaker 1: a full spit take with did you know your couch
Speaker 1: was brown?
Speaker 4: I was so good.
Speaker 1: And when he opens the cabinet and everything, including like
Speaker 1: all the porn starts to fall out. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: oh boy, it was really well done.
Speaker 4: I wonder if Paul has lived this since he was
Speaker 4: the one directing it. Paul was like, where do I
Speaker 4: hide my porn the kitchen cupboards.
Speaker 2: He's definitely lived with a lot of guys. I'm sure
Speaker 2: he's got great stories. Yeah, he was an athlete and
Speaker 2: the skills piece. I really like to bring in this
Speaker 2: element of because I kind of have forgotten about that
Speaker 2: that he was the one that led Jamie go to
Speaker 2: the bathroom by himself at the And yeah, I had
Speaker 2: forgotten that that was a thing. So I thought that
Speaker 2: was really nice.
Speaker 4: That worked though, because I think we'd all forgotten, but
Speaker 4: he didn't. And isn't that real life? You know, like
Speaker 4: everyone else is kind of like, what are you talking about, Skills,
Speaker 4: but you can tell it's this thing that has been
Speaker 4: kind of festering or like troubling him. He had a
Speaker 4: lot of work to do this episode. I thought he
Speaker 4: was awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was so much fun to watch Antoine and
Speaker 1: I loved I loved Skills coming to see Peyton at
Speaker 1: the office. It's like one of those things where you go,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, when they just don't know what to do
Speaker 1: with us and they give two of us a random scene.
Speaker 1: But it's so fun.
Speaker 2: I love those I love that it's so realistic.
Speaker 4: This is when they were going to set up Peyton
Speaker 4: and Skills getting together.
Speaker 1: Oh, this was.
Speaker 4: Because they're bringing Lindsay back and like toe in that
Speaker 4: putting that toe in the water, and they had always
Speaker 4: meant to hook Peyton Skills up. I was told at
Speaker 4: the time Jump that they were going to put us
Speaker 4: together because it was gonna piss Lucas off, like what
Speaker 4: are you doing dating my ex girlfriend? And it was
Speaker 4: gonna give everyone else be the excuse of, like you've
Speaker 4: dated everyone's ex girlfriend? What are you talking about? You know,
Speaker 4: like there was a whole trajectory mapped out, and I'm
Speaker 4: not entirely sure why they didn't do it. It might
Speaker 4: have been a network note, it might have been an
Speaker 4: availability thing, but it very much was intentional to start
Speaker 4: putting us together and like championing one another.
Speaker 2: Wow, and then when did it switch over to Barbara
Speaker 2: when she showed up looking hot like a snack guy.
Speaker 1: Dude, Yeah, Barbara is so hot and so funny, and
Speaker 1: why do the writers have her being in a clown?
Speaker 1: What was that?
Speaker 2: This this scene with her, No, that's exactly it's not
Speaker 2: a scene with her on her knees with the balloon
Speaker 2: getting blown up in her face. It felt it was
Speaker 2: such a far cry from the deb that we met
Speaker 2: in the beginning, and so far even from the deb
Speaker 2: that was in rehab, Like it just was completely bizarre.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I get that she's playful and you know, being goofy,
Speaker 2: but I don't, I don't know that was weird.
Speaker 1: Well, I made a note of it. I just literally wrote,
Speaker 1: I hate this so much, but damn, Barbara commits and
Speaker 1: makes it funny. Like Barbara is so funny. She's capable
Speaker 1: of doing anything. But this is one of those things
Speaker 1: where you look back on an era and you know
Speaker 1: what wasn't being talked about in public discourse yet, and
Speaker 1: you just go, man, this did not age well. And
Speaker 1: it's a testament to her as an actor that she
Speaker 1: could make it so comical. But like that they made
Speaker 1: that man dress up as a clown and blow up
Speaker 1: a giant, flesh color her dick balloon in her face.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and she.
Speaker 1: Had to just be charming and funny with her tits out.
Speaker 1: I was like, I wanted to like crawl in a
Speaker 1: hole and die and give her a high five for
Speaker 1: literally being a woman who you cannot phase with anything.
Speaker 1: She's like, Oh, you think I'm gonna be bothered? Watch
Speaker 1: how funny I make this? And I was like, hey,
Speaker 1: think you had to do it? Very impressed that you could.
Speaker 4: If it were like a pack of chicks, right like,
Speaker 4: if I'm with you guys, or I'm with my girlfriends
Speaker 4: from high school and a clown blows up a flesh
Speaker 4: colored dick balloon in front of us, we all react
Speaker 4: for each other, right like we we like, maybe make
Speaker 4: a pervy joke for each other, right, But the fact
Speaker 4: that Dev's doing it alone with him for his benefit,
Speaker 4: I'm like, no, you do it for your girlfriend's benefit, right,
Speaker 4: And she doesn't have like a person there. But what
Speaker 4: I liked is that she went from doing that like
Speaker 4: pervy thing that was totally kind of weird to Dan
Speaker 4: knocking on the door and she slipped back into responsible
Speaker 4: deb in a blink. Yes, that switch happened so fast.
Speaker 4: That's why it was for me.
Speaker 2: It was such a jarring moment, the scene with the clown,
Speaker 2: because she did commit so much to it, and because
Speaker 2: that scene works if it's in the hangover. That scene
Speaker 2: works in a movie. That is where it's that's what's
Speaker 2: set up, and that's who the character is. It didn't
Speaker 2: work as Deb because that's not who she is. But
Speaker 2: she made it work as just showing off what an
Speaker 2: amazing actress she is. But it still didn't for me.
Speaker 2: It wasn't like meshing with the character. But she did
Speaker 2: absolutely the best that anybody could have done with that.
Speaker 2: But the way that she walked out that door and
Speaker 2: immediately flipped on and turned on the Deb that we
Speaker 2: knew from the beginning. Damn, she's so good.
Speaker 4: Also, guys, I have to do my honorary mention right now, now,
Speaker 4: right now, it's right now, it's happening. I go fawed
Speaker 4: and like did a real spit take when when deb
Speaker 4: says be careful, Buco, he's done time, and Bucko says,
Speaker 4: haven't we all with the smile.
Speaker 1: On his face.
Speaker 2: It was so amazing I died.
Speaker 4: I was a what show am I watching? But like, yes,
Speaker 4: I love that this clown was like, I'm gonna go
Speaker 4: protect this hot grandma. I don't know who this guy
Speaker 4: is outside also casually mentions he's done time too, and
Speaker 4: anybody like balloons, let's go back to the kids. That
Speaker 4: was just the right amount of comedic relief I needed
Speaker 4: in a Dan Scott moment.
Speaker 1: Agreed, was this a precursor?
Speaker 2: This is like the jumping the shark precursor to the
Speaker 2: dog eating the heart?
Speaker 1: Yes, because he starts talking about the HCM.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I feel like this is them testing the ground, Like, OK,
Speaker 2: how much girl?
Speaker 4: They've been done testing for episodes. Now they're like, can
Speaker 4: we ride ourselves in? Can we have dev hook up
Speaker 4: with the clown? Can we have a dog eat a heart?
Speaker 4: It's all like a slow trickle to crazy town.
Speaker 2: Yeah, slow trickle to crazy town. That sounds like a
Speaker 2: good name for the episode.
Speaker 5: If it's not flesh colored dick balloon, oh, lush colored
Speaker 5: dick balloon is Why didn't they pick like a like
Speaker 5: a green one or like a purple one even been suggestive?
Speaker 4: Because they just.
Speaker 1: Needed to make it so clear.
Speaker 4: Can you imagine the like mom that was watching that
Speaker 4: with her thirteen year old daughter, yep, do you know
Speaker 4: what I mean?
Speaker 2: And the same thought, yes, all horrifying. I thought we
Speaker 2: could trust this show. Go get some popcorn, come back later.
Speaker 1: And that, I guess is part of it, right is
Speaker 1: looking back. This is one of those episodes where the
Speaker 1: swings feel so big, like the ick of the dick
Speaker 1: balloon and everybody touching Millice's underwear underwea and then the
Speaker 1: swing to the sweetness of like the friendships Brook and
Speaker 1: Peyton together, Haley and Nathan having the mystery Jamie kissing
Speaker 1: that baby's head, you know, children's birthday party. It's so
Speaker 1: sweet on the one hand, and then so totally disgusting
Speaker 1: and I'm like, what was what was happening? I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I feel like two episodes got written and then they
Speaker 2: just cuts threw them together scene to scene.
Speaker 1: Okay, wait, I do have a question, and Hillary you
Speaker 1: might know because this was y'all's scene when you and
Speaker 1: Antoine were together, Yeah, and you were giving the updates
Speaker 1: and talking about how MIA's number number two on iTunes was?
Speaker 1: Was Kate on iTunes at this point? Like had she
Speaker 1: just released an album? Does anybody remember were we trying
Speaker 1: to drive traffic to her stuff?
Speaker 4: Like I think for sure we were always trying to
Speaker 4: boost her numbers because when we shot the library episode,
Speaker 4: remember they were using footage from that for her music video. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: so her music video might have just been released, like
Speaker 4: she might have just had the song released into the wild,
Speaker 4: because when we were shooting the library episode, I remember
Speaker 4: her and our boss and he was like picking out
Speaker 4: which picture was going to be the album art for
Speaker 4: her release. And so I feel like there was so
Speaker 4: much work. How many episodes ago was that at this point,
Speaker 4: like four or five?
Speaker 1: I think that was five o nine and this is
Speaker 1: five point fifteen.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so that time's out. Yeah, you know, if they
Speaker 4: were doing all that legwork right, then things would have
Speaker 4: dropped about now and maybe or prepping.
Speaker 2: I wonder if they ever thought about just doing using
Speaker 2: her name. I wonder if it was confusing at all
Speaker 2: for the audience that she was releasing music on the
Speaker 2: show as Mia Catalano, but then her own stuff was
Speaker 2: out as Kate.
Speaker 4: Speaking of real names, I loved in the episode when
Speaker 4: Skills comes to Nathan and Haley and you called him.
Speaker 1: I loved that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it just made it so sincere because his character's
Speaker 4: name is also Antoine. We never use it.
Speaker 2: He was, uh, yeah, it was sincere because he was
Speaker 2: he was being really honest and vulnerable. I guess it
Speaker 2: just seemed like it would have been strange to be
Speaker 2: like us Gills nowhere about it. Yeah, that was sweet.
Speaker 4: I was.
Speaker 2: I was happy to see those scenes come together. And
Speaker 2: I'm really looking forward to seeing Skills be around with
Speaker 2: Barbara like this. This is the juicy stuff. I'm super
Speaker 2: excited to get into. The two of them is so fun.
Speaker 6: They I don't feel like, are they foreshadowing it in
Speaker 6: this episode because it's the other two dudes who see
Speaker 6: Barbara when they're all like sucking helium out of.
Speaker 4: And it's Fergie and Junk being like I do her.
Speaker 4: I would marry deb you know. Like, I love how
Speaker 4: age appropriate they are. All the other characters are doing
Speaker 4: that is just out of the realm of reality. Junk
Speaker 4: and Fergie, those are our real time dudes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, even the way they freeze watching Millie when they
Speaker 1: when they come around the corner and she's doing pilates
Speaker 1: and they just do not know what to do with
Speaker 1: a woman exercising in front of them, like.
Speaker 2: And using their TV when they were about to watch
Speaker 2: their own show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like, and it's not creepy, and it isn't They're
Speaker 1: not being salacious. They just do not know what to do,
Speaker 1: and she knows they're uncomfortable and it makes her uncomfortable
Speaker 1: and everyone just sort of freezes because no one has
Speaker 1: ever interacted this way before. I loved it. It made
Speaker 1: me laugh so hard.
Speaker 4: Them bumping into shit as they're leaving the room.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like, no one.
Speaker 4: Told them to do that.
Speaker 1: They just did that, like into the bike prack. It
Speaker 1: was so great.
Speaker 4: I love Collins crossover into Outer Banks because I don't
Speaker 4: care that the characters have different names. In my mind,
Speaker 4: Junk is the cop on Outer Banks.
Speaker 2: Yes, he grew up to be the cop and outer Banks.
Speaker 2: Every time I see it, I think that too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, good for him, man, that's exactly where Junk should
Speaker 4: be right now, just dealing with some medaling kids.
Speaker 1: Well, and it's nice that the boys in their little container,
Speaker 1: like all those boys get to be silly and young
Speaker 1: and like we were talking about earlier, finding their way
Speaker 1: and a little bit broke and figuring out what their
Speaker 1: life is in this apartment. And two of them get
Speaker 1: to be ridiculous, and one of them, you know, Mouth,
Speaker 1: is trying to be less ridiculous for his girlfriend. And
Speaker 1: then you've got Skills, who's such a good uncle and
Speaker 1: so playful, but he's also dealing with something a little heavy,
Speaker 1: and it's nice. It's nice that he gets a lot
Speaker 1: of comic relief in his group of friends.
Speaker 7: Yeah, well, let's talk about the heavy shit then, because
Speaker 7: I thought Hailey was so great in this episode, in
Speaker 7: these scenes with Luke.
Speaker 4: Mm hmmm, where okay, I'm going to play Kate you.
Speaker 4: I'm going to play Kate you. I'm going to tell
Speaker 4: you what you want to hear. I'm gonna tell you
Speaker 4: it's fine. That moment we were like stop it, I'm
Speaker 4: your best friend was fantastic.
Speaker 2: I loved that.
Speaker 1: Thanks, and I loved that you guys, you made it
Speaker 1: into something like it could have just been a scene
Speaker 1: in a corner at a party, but the fact that
Speaker 1: the two of you and Paul staged it with you
Speaker 1: helping him get ready and being like, what do you do?
Speaker 1: Who cares if she likes Blue? Like she doesn't like you, dude,
Speaker 1: and you're trying to give him these like honest answers
Speaker 1: and he just won't hear it, and you kind of
Speaker 1: without shaking him by the shoulders, you shake him by
Speaker 1: the shoulders and remind him of who you are in
Speaker 1: his life and what you're there for. I just I
Speaker 1: loved it. It felt so real.
Speaker 2: I remember shooting those scenes. I have for some reason,
Speaker 2: I have a lot of memories of the scenes in
Speaker 2: Lucas's bedroom in the house. I just felt like Chad
Speaker 2: and I just got on really well, and so it
Speaker 2: was easy on set to be able to dive into
Speaker 2: the Lucas and Haley bff energy. And I had missed
Speaker 2: it because I spent so much time with James, who
Speaker 2: I love and was it was. It was great, but
Speaker 2: I did miss being able to really jump into other
Speaker 2: people's stories and to go back to the beginning, because
Speaker 2: I spent most of my time in the first season
Speaker 2: with Chad and then everything progressed from that point forward,
Speaker 2: so it was always nice to go back and just
Speaker 2: revisit that best friend energy that was. That was the
Speaker 2: moment in the screen test of when I when I
Speaker 2: won the part, and I knew I had gotten it
Speaker 2: because we had such great chemistry in that screen test.
Speaker 2: It was it was total brothers energy, and I didn't
Speaker 2: get to do a lot of that, I feel like
Speaker 2: on the show because of how quickly things progressed with
Speaker 2: Nathan and Haley. So those scenes were always really fun.
Speaker 2: And he knew his room so well, he knew the
Speaker 2: set so well that he always had you know, it's funny.
Speaker 2: I think we're both kind of proppy actors. I'm probably
Speaker 2: a little bit more of a proppy actor, which is
Speaker 2: a downfall of mine. I think I lean on it
Speaker 2: too much.
Speaker 1: But he.
Speaker 2: Knew where everything was in that room and he always
Speaker 2: knew how to what to go to, what to grab onto,
Speaker 2: what to pay attention to. And Yeah, it was fun
Speaker 2: just moving around that space with him, and especially with
Speaker 2: Paul because he was our family. So it just those
Speaker 2: scenes always felt like family, but I did like the
Speaker 2: chemistry between Lucas and Lindsay in this episode. I have
Speaker 2: to say, like I kind of go back and forth
Speaker 2: between them where I was like, no, it's not right,
Speaker 2: it's not right Lucas and Payton forever, and then this
Speaker 2: one I was kind of like, Oh, Lindsay, I mean
Speaker 2: maybe it could work.
Speaker 4: Lindsay and I were styled hair and makeup wise so similarly. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that sometimes I get confused at who I'm looking at,
Speaker 4: and that's a weird thing to admit. Yeah, We're both
Speaker 4: wearing like the eyeliner on the lower rim, and our
Speaker 4: hair is styled very similar and our coloring is very.
Speaker 1: Similar, so similar, Yeah.
Speaker 4: And we stare at people the same way. We're just
Speaker 4: always like lurking over when Lindsay walks in, and like
Speaker 4: her and Lucas are locking eyes and then looking away
Speaker 4: over the group of children, Like that's a very Peyton
Speaker 4: Lucas thing to do. And so I'm just confused who
Speaker 4: I'm looking at. And so if he ends up with Lindsay, like,
Speaker 4: I'm okay with it. It's hot.
Speaker 2: Like I always thought she was styled a little bit
Speaker 2: more New York business woman I guess at the beginning,
Speaker 2: but maybe she relaxed a little bit more into but
Speaker 2: you were also a little more dressed up for your
Speaker 2: job at the record label, so I guess.
Speaker 4: It's really more like the hair and makeup. It's just okay.
Speaker 4: It's one thing if he like started dating like a
Speaker 4: zany redhead, you know, like, clearly we're different. But when
Speaker 4: you've got two chicks that have just a really similar
Speaker 4: aesthetic and their and they're saying that scene with Peyton
Speaker 4: and Lindsay where it's like hey, I'm sorry, and it's
Speaker 4: like no, really, it's not your fault. I could have
Speaker 4: said yes. That was such a big dick energy move
Speaker 4: from Realiz is so good.
Speaker 1: When she said that to you, I went like, I
Speaker 1: guess how loud.
Speaker 4: I loved it.
Speaker 2: She delivered it so well too, because it wasn't she
Speaker 2: didn't do it like ant whole. She really was like,
Speaker 2: that's it's all good. I mean it's not, it's not
Speaker 2: all about you, but it's okay.
Speaker 1: I'll still Yeah.
Speaker 4: I loved it so subtle. It's so subtle and so sharp.
Speaker 4: Peyton needed that. It's like, baby, you're not even a
Speaker 4: factor here, but thank you, Oh thank go on, go
Speaker 4: back to the party.
Speaker 2: I appreciated that Peyton was apologizing and just I don't
Speaker 2: even know exactly what you were apologizing for.
Speaker 4: I thought about that. You know what Peyton did. She
Speaker 4: put a splinter in something, and you can live with
Speaker 4: a splinter. Splinter is not going to kill anybody. It's
Speaker 4: not going to really hurt anyone, but it's irritating. She
Speaker 4: added an irritant to their relationship that had it not
Speaker 4: shown up, maybe everything would have been fine. Maybe it wouldn't,
Speaker 4: you know, but she just she put a splinter in there.
Speaker 2: But the truth is Lucas is the one that allowed
Speaker 2: the splinter to exist there. If he didn't still if
Speaker 2: he didn't still love Peyton, if he wasn't still thinking
Speaker 2: of that as a possibility, there's easy ways to just
Speaker 2: eliminate that from your relationship.
Speaker 1: I mean, if he wasn't so invested in something else,
Speaker 1: like he still has a foot in the relationship with Peyton.
Speaker 1: Clearly he's got the frickin' ring he proposed to you
Speaker 1: with in the sock drawer, like dumbard. He only proposed
Speaker 1: to her because she found it. Like when you think
Speaker 1: about those things, it gets so uncomfortable, and what I
Speaker 1: appreciate about it is A. It gives us great drama
Speaker 1: as an audience. B. It does give us some sort
Speaker 1: of juvenile behavior that you that you need when all
Speaker 1: your twenty one year old characters are like writing best
Speaker 1: sellers and launching billion dollar companies.
Speaker 4: Like where is Fanz?
Speaker 1: Yeah, like, please let us do some dumb, childish stuff.
Speaker 1: But I think that's part of what makes it complex.
Speaker 1: And in a way, I sort of felt like Peyton
Speaker 1: was apologizing for the fact that her and Lucas still
Speaker 1: had this stickiness, and Lindsay really owned it and was like,
Speaker 1: it's fine, it was my choice. And I was like,
Speaker 1: oh boy, I was not prepared for that. Oh boy,
Speaker 1: she's so mature.
Speaker 2: She's like the most mature out of every single one
Speaker 2: of all.
Speaker 1: All of us. Somebody gave me a baby and she
Speaker 1: is still more mature by far.
Speaker 4: But then Haley gets Peyton to admit. She's like, do
Speaker 4: you love Lucas or do you just love the idea
Speaker 4: of him, and Peyton for the first time is like yeah, both,
Speaker 4: Like I love the idea of what we could have been.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, those ideas are hard to let go of.
Speaker 1: They are.
Speaker 4: I just don't know why we're doing all this work
Speaker 4: to have Peyton detach just for them to end up together.
Speaker 4: Like this episode felt like a lot of like, well,
Speaker 4: I love him, I'm stalking them on the internet, but yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna make some big admissions here.
Speaker 1: I just feel like they did that all season, Like
Speaker 1: I I'm still mad about the fact that you and
Speaker 1: I had to shoot a scene where I looked at
Speaker 1: you while you're crying over the love of your life
Speaker 1: and I go, I'm gonna ask him to be my
Speaker 1: sperm downer, Like what that was?
Speaker 2: The jump the shark line? It really was.
Speaker 1: It was for one episode. We never talked about it again.
Speaker 4: Here's the fan base is all like, we don't remember that,
Speaker 4: we don't remember you physically asking him, and so there
Speaker 4: has been a lot of speculation like are we reading
Speaker 4: into things? No? Is it possible.
Speaker 2: She was just telling him I'm going to adopt a
Speaker 2: baby and he was saying, are you sure.
Speaker 1: No, she says, I want to have a baby with Lucas,
Speaker 1: and then there's a scene that cuts in in a
Speaker 1: couple of episodes ago, I say it to Hillary, And
Speaker 1: then a couple episodes ago there's a scene that cuts
Speaker 1: into an episode with me and Chad mid conversation and
Speaker 1: he's like why and I'm like just think about it
Speaker 1: or whatever I say, like, and then it just went away.
Speaker 1: So it's like they're setting up this whole thing for
Speaker 1: you where you're like, maybe I don't really love him,
Speaker 1: maybe it's the idea of him, maybe it's high school nostalgia,
Speaker 1: and then you're gonna be together forever, Like what is
Speaker 1: going on?
Speaker 4: Well, and they're doing so much work right now with
Speaker 4: Brooke and Lucas playing house in this episode, yeah, which
Speaker 4: also feels super weird.
Speaker 2: They didn't know what they wanted.
Speaker 4: They really didn't, because we spend the whole first act
Speaker 4: of the episode with Peyton and Brooke playing house together
Speaker 4: and then that's not good enough. Brooke then has to
Speaker 4: go and get help from Lucas in order to get
Speaker 4: her work done and like get the baby to sleep
Speaker 4: and stuff. That felt a little bit weird, but also
Speaker 4: we're setting up the whole like which girl is Lucas
Speaker 4: gonna pick? Situation? Maybe it's all just leading up to that.
Speaker 2: Was it ever really a question though, if Lucas and
Speaker 2: Brooke would end up together? I mean, I think maybe
Speaker 2: in the first couple of seasons when they were dating
Speaker 2: it was, but now it's back to like friend energy.
Speaker 2: It just doesn't although I don't know, maybe that's just
Speaker 2: because in retrospect, I mean, that's the same Dawson and
Speaker 2: Pacey and Joey thing, where you know, constantly back and forth,
Speaker 2: what's it going to be?
Speaker 4: Well? And in their conversation this episode, she asks him
Speaker 4: would you do anything different in high school? And he says,
Speaker 4: I would appreciate things or I would not take things
Speaker 4: for granted. Yeah, I would appreciate things that I'd taken
Speaker 4: for granted, meaning like her exactly you. Yeah, what we're
Speaker 4: alluding to. I don't know. I like them playing house used.
Speaker 2: It does have that Felicity Ben and Nole energy or
Speaker 2: the Pacey Dawson Joey thing, just trying to figure out
Speaker 2: where do I fit. But Lucas is so it's funny
Speaker 2: being the age that I am now looking back and
Speaker 2: thinking what a mess this boy was, that he was
Speaker 2: so confused about who he was that he was just
Speaker 2: bouncing around in his emotions between these three girls constantly
Speaker 2: what do I want? Who do I want to be with?
Speaker 2: It's so selfish and just childish.
Speaker 4: Well, if he's getting to play house with Brooke and
Speaker 4: he's getting to play professional with Lindsay and like kind
Speaker 4: of fulfill those needs with those two chicks, I don't
Speaker 4: necessarily know what he's getting out of, like the Peytent thing.
Speaker 4: I'm all for it.
Speaker 2: A Peytent thing could be just the idea of what
Speaker 2: what was, what used to be, And do I really
Speaker 2: want to let go of the possibility of how romantic,
Speaker 2: especially as a writer, how romantic it is to fall
Speaker 2: in love with your first love and have go through
Speaker 2: all this and then come back together and have it work.
Speaker 2: I think that's a really appealing storyline, personal storyline in
Speaker 2: the mind of a writer for their own life. So
Speaker 2: I would think that that's sort of what he's getting
Speaker 2: out of the Peytent thing.
Speaker 4: Sophia, did they make you think that you guys were
Speaker 4: like back on the path after that whole play in
Speaker 4: house scene.
Speaker 1: No, No, they were always really clear by this point.
Speaker 1: But I think because there was so much energy around,
Speaker 1: like you know, you and I and the love triangle
Speaker 1: was so good for business, and there was so much
Speaker 1: like remember this was the era of like those message boards.
Speaker 1: There was so much like team message hearts where I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, well team Brook and Brook and Peyton
Speaker 1: are on each other's team, right, the boy has to
Speaker 1: earn one of them. But there was so much about
Speaker 1: trying to please the fan bases, and so there was
Speaker 1: a lot of yo yoing, at least as I was
Speaker 1: aware of it. That was very strategic where it was like,
Speaker 1: we're going to make everybody think you guys have best
Speaker 1: friend energy not dissimilar to Lucas and Haley. We'll put
Speaker 1: Lucas and Brook in that category and then people will
Speaker 1: say it's because they're in love, and then people will
Speaker 1: say he can't be with Lindsay because he's in love
Speaker 1: with Peyton, and like they really wanted to play that up,
Speaker 1: like who is Lucas gonna end up.
Speaker 4: With poor Chad?
Speaker 1: Like I know, and to your point, joy like sort
Speaker 1: of there was a lot in this episode that felt
Speaker 1: like it referenced our early seasons in the dynamic mm hmm,
Speaker 1: and like I think they really wanted to get back
Speaker 1: to that, like Willy or Woney with us from season one.
Speaker 4: I mean, but for him, was he ever vilified? Like
Speaker 4: I know, like the Brook fans hated Peyton and the
Speaker 4: Peyton fans were like, God, damn it, bro get out
Speaker 4: of the way. Was Lucas ever in trouble with the
Speaker 4: fan base.
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I think they all just loved.
Speaker 4: All that, all that brootia. Well here's what I'll say.
Speaker 4: Chad was always great with kids. Seeing him with the
Speaker 4: baby in this episode was handsome, like he yeah, I
Speaker 4: like you know, even when like Peyton and Lucas have
Speaker 4: their baby together that day, well, you know, when we
Speaker 4: would shoot stuff with the baby, I was just like, wow,
Speaker 4: you are good at this. How many younger siblings does
Speaker 4: he have in real life? He's got He's got a
Speaker 4: bunch of siblings.
Speaker 1: Aren't there four of them?
Speaker 2: I don't know what the I know he.
Speaker 4: Had like a little sister, so like the little girl thing,
Speaker 4: he was already good at. And I liked seeing that
Speaker 4: baby just smile at him. You know, there were girls
Speaker 4: at home that were like what I wouldn't give to
Speaker 4: be a baby and she sitting on his lap right now.
Speaker 2: I did love that though, seeing Brooke and Lucas just
Speaker 2: being friendly and helping each other out, and yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's hard to be young and have a new baby
Speaker 2: suddenly thrust on you, and then to have a man
Speaker 2: who's willing to be nurturing and show up and help
Speaker 2: out it was lovely.
Speaker 1: Well, and to have a friend who can be supportive,
Speaker 1: and I thought it was so sweet, you know, the nerves.
Speaker 1: I remember that line asking him like does everyone know
Speaker 1: more about babies than me? Which made me giggle because
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, I took care of other
Speaker 1: people's kids to like pay my bills, So I was like,
Speaker 1: it's funny to have to play a person who doesn't
Speaker 1: know what to do with the baby.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, it was kind of.
Speaker 1: Cool that the Lucas character then talks about what it's
Speaker 1: like to have a little sister born when you're eighteen,
Speaker 1: you know, Nia and I talk about that a lot.
Speaker 1: My best friend has younger siblings who were born when
Speaker 1: she was a teenager, and she's she always jokes like, yeah, well,
Speaker 1: what it's like to be the first pancake. That's like
Speaker 1: a little misshapen and a little you know, like your
Speaker 1: young parents have no idea what they're doing. And then
Speaker 1: like when they're older and they have their lives figured
Speaker 1: out and they have this next wave of kids, they're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're pros at this.
Speaker 5: And I don't know.
Speaker 1: I love the dynamic of somebody being like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: know because I have a sibling, but essentially I'm an uncle.
Speaker 1: And it was sweet. And in the same way that
Speaker 1: I liked watching Haley and Lucas, I liked watching Brooke
Speaker 1: and Lucas. I like seeing these strong friendships in dynamics that,
Speaker 1: you know, let's be honest. On teen dramas, usually when
Speaker 1: you got a boy and a girl on screen, it's romance,
Speaker 1: and it's refreshing to see platonic friendship.
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, he's not playing anything suggestive right like he
Speaker 4: could have.
Speaker 2: He seems like he's really trying to do the right thing,
Speaker 2: like he's trying to stick the course with Lindsay and
Speaker 2: really commit to it.
Speaker 4: Well, if he's feeling so lonely because he's in that house,
Speaker 4: like he begged that chick, let's spend the night. Please
Speaker 4: keep the key, keep the key, he said, this is
Speaker 4: your home, and she puts it on the dresser. That
Speaker 4: was that hurt.
Speaker 1: It hurt, and the great way that Paul directed the
Speaker 1: misdirect her walking in with that big overnight bag. I
Speaker 1: was like, what's happening, what's going on? And she was
Speaker 1: just coming to get the rest of hers. I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, telling you she could have said yes,
Speaker 1: and then coming in with that empty bag.
Speaker 2: To pack up.
Speaker 1: I was like, Lindsey, Yeah, she's really showing everybody who's
Speaker 1: boxing out.
Speaker 4: She's out, and sitting in an empty house after you've
Speaker 4: been rejected is a terrible feeling, you know. Lucas was
Speaker 4: like that baby, this baby can stay all week. You'll
Speaker 4: just I guess what, Brooke, I got a kid grip.
Speaker 4: You want a key, spare key's right here.
Speaker 1: Please, I had it made for you today, did Joe?
Speaker 4: I love it? I love it. No, that's a that's
Speaker 4: a sweet energy. I thought the family stuff was really sweet.
Speaker 4: I loved seeing Lucas and Nathan talk to each other
Speaker 4: in this episode at the birthday party and just kind
Speaker 4: of like confide in one another where it's like I
Speaker 4: have best friend status and I have husband status. There's
Speaker 4: just a real camaraderie there that makes the Dan stuff
Speaker 4: really pop because it's like all of these people love
Speaker 4: each other and they're setting a boundary with this guy
Speaker 4: as a unit. And it's still hard.
Speaker 2: Yeah sad to see him tell his son I have
Speaker 2: six months to live and have Nathan leave. And yet
Speaker 2: what else was he going to do. It's the boy
Speaker 2: who cried Wolf, like he's just burnt all the bridges.
Speaker 1: Nobody believes Dan at this point.
Speaker 4: No can I say it? He's never looked better like
Speaker 4: evil man with his haircut and this tamb like Dan
Speaker 4: Scott has never looked better. Allow.
Speaker 2: It looked like he's got six months alone.
Speaker 4: No, No, And I thought there was a there was
Speaker 4: a moment where I thought deb was going to open
Speaker 4: that door and be like, Okay, what's up? And she didn't.
Speaker 4: Good for her, I'm a weaker woman than Deb. But
Speaker 4: him offering Nathan his childhood sanctuary and Nathan rejecting it
Speaker 4: is a big metaphorical decision. I liked that he was like,
Speaker 4: I'm not going to give my son the same childhood
Speaker 4: that I had. I refuse.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, And on that sort of theme of nostalgia,
Speaker 1: Dan giving Jamie Nathan's first jersey. He's really trying to
Speaker 1: pull Nathan back into these happier times childhood we could
Speaker 1: go back, and Nathan's just not taking the bait. And
Speaker 1: it's really it's really nice to watch, you know, he's
Speaker 1: really standing.
Speaker 5: In his.
Speaker 1: Fatherhood and his manhood and just saying I'm not going
Speaker 1: to be like you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not going to let you continue to take
Speaker 2: advantage of me. I mean it's been just doing it
Speaker 2: for years and years and years. Yeah, it's to the
Speaker 2: point on the show now where we've just after watching
Speaker 2: these episodes so much, I'm like, I don't believe I
Speaker 2: don't even believe him. How do we even know it's true? Yeah?
Speaker 2: And even if you can, it's he only feels bad
Speaker 2: when it affects him, when it's you know, he's just
Speaker 2: totally incapable of empathy.
Speaker 1: The thing that wrapped all of this up really nicely
Speaker 1: for me, and that I loved watching through the whole
Speaker 1: end of the episode was actually the conversation that Brooke
Speaker 1: and Lucas got to have together them being friends. To me,
Speaker 1: teed up everyone's sort of ending montage because she asks him,
Speaker 1: you know, is this how you thought our lives would
Speaker 1: turn out? Do you ever do you ever want to
Speaker 1: go back? Would you do it differently? And he gets
Speaker 1: to admit, you know, I think we have to work
Speaker 1: through all this stuff, And like, that's such a theme that,
Speaker 1: for whatever reason I find myself exploring in a lot
Speaker 1: of conversations with friends right now, like, no matter how
Speaker 1: hard things have been, I wouldn't change anything. My friends
Speaker 1: are like same, wouldn't change anything to get to this point.
Speaker 1: And then freaking Adele kicks in with hometown. What the
Speaker 1: what a sink we got?
Speaker 4: Everyone is in.
Speaker 1: This place that they need to be, that they've worked
Speaker 1: to get, however hard it's been to get here. And
Speaker 1: you see all these lovely things happening, people being in
Speaker 1: these good zones, the three of you as a family,
Speaker 1: you know, Mauf and Milly and the guys and Lucas
Speaker 1: and Angie and Brooke and this new friendship, and like
Speaker 1: it goes through all this stuff, and then Dan talking
Speaker 1: about hometown glory, gets shut down by the son who
Speaker 1: doesn't want to be like him. His work working through
Speaker 1: all this stuff, like Lucas said, has been to be
Speaker 1: a different man. And I was like, Okay, all my
Speaker 1: criticisms for this episode out of the window. I am
Speaker 1: into this ending Mondogy take it. I'm here for it.
Speaker 1: Like I felt like they wrapped it up in a
Speaker 1: way that I really got what we were trying to
Speaker 1: say to people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, me too.
Speaker 1: Adele, How did we get that Adele.
Speaker 4: Wait?
Speaker 2: Was she was she Adele when we got that song?
Speaker 2: Or was she? Did she have an album? Was this
Speaker 2: before twenty one came out?
Speaker 1: I mean this was right at the beginning.
Speaker 4: She was just a baby.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think her album probably came out in two
Speaker 1: thousand and eight.
Speaker 4: It's crazy crazy, It's.
Speaker 2: Amazing that we got that.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 2: I was like that voice.
Speaker 1: Wait, I was like, is this happening right now?
Speaker 2: This is like when somebody said, you know, oh, we've
Speaker 2: got this great new artist. We want to put it
Speaker 2: on Wintrey Hill, we need some placements on TV.
Speaker 1: Have you heard of this album called nineteen?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 1: Excuse you?
Speaker 4: Yeah? It did it?
Speaker 2: Did?
Speaker 1: It came out in two thousand and eight?
Speaker 4: Love it?
Speaker 2: Oh boy, Lindsay Wolfington.
Speaker 1: That's my honorable mention since we're throwing him out here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Adele is my honorable mention for sure.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with Barbara for this one because I
Speaker 2: just think she she commits like nobody else, just so good.
Speaker 1: I'm raising my hand and saying I got to actually
Speaker 1: do a tie. The Adele sink big and for me,
Speaker 1: the platonic friendship energy I really enjoyed because you got
Speaker 1: to do it Joy, and so did I, and.
Speaker 4: So did Millie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Millie did with the boys that's a really
Speaker 1: good point less one on one but as a group.
Speaker 4: And Peyton with skills Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 2: God, yep, and Hayley with skills. There was just so
Speaker 2: much good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I really love it. It just adds a vibe
Speaker 1: like not everything has to be romance all the time,
Speaker 1: and I love it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, I'm into all of that. I mean, look, overall,
Speaker 4: I liked this episode.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 4: I thought I had some dick jokes that I wasn't
Speaker 4: crazy about. But what doesn't you.
Speaker 1: Know, especially in two thousand and eight, Yeah.
Speaker 4: Two thousand and eight. We're gonna look at it through
Speaker 4: that less obsessed.
Speaker 2: All right, we have a listener question.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what is it?
Speaker 2: From Melissa? Him? Melissa? Why do they have Jamie's birthday
Speaker 2: in the middle of basketball season, but Haley went into
Speaker 2: labor on graduation day?
Speaker 4: Someone's been paid attention?
Speaker 2: Yeah that is we could have used you in the
Speaker 2: writer's room, Melissa.
Speaker 4: Yeah, where were you in two thousand and eight? Melissa? Yeah,
Speaker 4: that doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 2: Nope, yeah, no's we cannot answer your question with anything reasonable. No,
Speaker 2: good excuses writers strike. Yeah, I guess you.
Speaker 4: Know what they do for my daughter's kindergarten. She's five,
Speaker 4: Jamie's five. Is that all the summer birthdays celebrate half
Speaker 4: birthdays because no one's around in the summer for parties.
Speaker 4: That's literally the only thing I can think of to
Speaker 4: tell you, Melissa, is that it's his half birthday. It's
Speaker 4: not his real birthday. That's all I got.
Speaker 2: It's his un birthday.
Speaker 4: Very unhappy birthday to you.
Speaker 1: I like you, sho we spend a wheel.
Speaker 4: I want to.
Speaker 1: The lord.
Speaker 4: Who's most likely to go viral on TikTok? All right,
Speaker 4: I've got an answer because we don't see her, and
Speaker 4: I think it's a missed opportunity. I think Lucas's little sister, Lily,
Speaker 4: being like a remote kid is all about like TikTok life, Yes,
Speaker 4: especially because she's like in her early twenties now. Yeah,
Speaker 4: she's doing all those little silly dances where she's like
Speaker 4: tapping her hips and clapping her hands.
Speaker 1: And especially being a kid to your point who grew up.
Speaker 1: When you said remote, it made me think about like
Speaker 1: her life traveling with these fancy parents, Like you know,
Speaker 1: she's probably like a modern era, like bind Or Win
Speaker 1: meets Emily in Paris. Yeah, she has an interesting life
Speaker 1: for people to follow on the internet. Yeah, and you
Speaker 1: know she's Karen's kids, so she's probably a really nice person.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Remember Karen would always say like dorky mom shit
Speaker 4: like I can only imagine Karen's TikTok assessment. Oh my god,
Speaker 4: like I'll do a dance with you? Oh sure, laying
Speaker 4: it on real thick who does TikTok in real life?
Speaker 4: Because I don't have TikTok, so I don't know who
Speaker 4: of our friends is on there.
Speaker 2: I mean Barbara, Barbara's daughters. Oh yeah, I don't know
Speaker 2: who else.
Speaker 4: I mean Grace who played Baby Jenny made me do
Speaker 4: a TikTok video with her when we were at one
Speaker 4: of the conventions. It was like her and a bunch
Speaker 4: of the other young actresses for like, let's do a
Speaker 4: TikTok dance, and I was the old person being like,
Speaker 4: I'll stand in the back, I'll clap are you all right? Well,
Speaker 4: if you guys are making TikTok videos about drama queens,
Speaker 4: make sure you tag us because I don't know how
Speaker 4: to do it. So I'm glad you are well.
Speaker 2: Come back next week, everybody. Next episode's gonna be Season five,
Speaker 2: episode sixteen. Crime won't help you now. Oh, I can't
Speaker 2: wait to see what happens.
Speaker 1: Then that makes me nervous. Sometimes the titles, I go,
Speaker 1: oh boy, what are we in for? Yeah, we'll find
Speaker 1: out next week.
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