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Speaker 1: Hi. This is Laura Vandercamp. I'm a mother of five,

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Speaker 1: an author, journalist, and speaker. And this is Sarah Hart Hunger.

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Speaker 1: I'm a mother of three, a practicing physician and blogger.

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Speaker 1: On the side, we are two working parents who love

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Speaker 1: our careers and our families. Welcome to best of both worlds.

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Speaker 1: Here we talk about how real women manage work, family,

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Speaker 1: and time for fun, from figuring out childcare to mapping

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Speaker 1: out long term career goals. We want you to get

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Speaker 1: the most out of life. Welcome to best of both worlds.

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Speaker 1: This is Laura. This is episode one hundred and fifty five.

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Speaker 1: We think, but time seems to have no meaning these

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Speaker 1: days as we enter month four or five whatever it

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Speaker 1: is of semi quarantine quarantine anyway, Sarah and I have

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Speaker 1: been out a virtual business relationship for a long time,

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Speaker 1: so this actually hasn't had to change that much, although

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Speaker 1: her work, of course, has changed in the course of

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Speaker 1: the COVID nineteen epidemic. Today's episode is going to be

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Speaker 1: all about working from home. I'm really excited to announce

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Speaker 1: that I have a new book out today. It's called

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Speaker 1: The New Corner Office, which is also the same name

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Speaker 1: as one of my other podcasts. It's called The New

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Speaker 1: Corner Office, How the Most Successful People Work from Home,

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Speaker 1: And it's got all kinds of tips and stuff like

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Speaker 1: that about how you can work productively and ambitiously from home.

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Speaker 1: So we're just going to do a few quick tips

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Speaker 1: and it'll be a short episode. And I'm so excited because,

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Speaker 1: you know, when this book came out, I realized, ooh,

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Speaker 1: I have many a question about how to work effectively

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Speaker 1: from home. So we decided the structure of this episode

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Speaker 1: would just be me firing off all the things that

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Speaker 1: I wanted to know about how you can work successfully

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Speaker 1: in the beginning. Then I kind of went back to work,

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Speaker 1: and then lately our case numbers have been so high

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Speaker 1: that I'm back at home and I made a discovery

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Speaker 1: yesterday that I can even work with a resident from

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Speaker 1: which was very like serendipitous, Like nobody told us that

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Speaker 1: this capability had been added, But I was like, let's

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Speaker 1: So I'm very ouless about AJR barrier for you because

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Speaker 1: you're trying to teach your residence and so you had

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Speaker 1: what they were doing. Correct. That was kind of like

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Speaker 1: for me the last Frontier, particularly when I'm on outpatient,

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Speaker 1: now I feel like, number one, they can get some

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Speaker 1: valuable telemedicine experience, and number two, if a resident is

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Speaker 1: that's great. I mean that's I think it was Rhode

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Speaker 1: with a pandemic. So I mean, this is really it's

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Speaker 1: of you know, seeing what is possible, but many of

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's all sorts of things that absolutely I

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Speaker 1: by those households. Yeah, and this is important. I've sort

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Speaker 1: of noticed this in our work from home journey over

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Speaker 1: the past four months, is that my office is the

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Speaker 1: official home office because I'm the one who's always been

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Speaker 1: working from home. But it's more centrally located, so it's

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Speaker 1: near rooms that the kids are hanging out and during

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Speaker 1: the day now that they're all home, whereas my husband

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Speaker 1: is using a guest bedroom that's up in the corner

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Speaker 1: of the second floor, and so people are far less

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Speaker 1: likely to just see him walk by, you know, note

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Speaker 1: that he's there, and he's been better about sort of

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Speaker 1: staying in his office too, so you know, you might

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Speaker 1: want to think about doing that like like Sarah is doing.

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Speaker 1: If if you're trying to limit distractions, don't come out,

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Speaker 1: because then you are kind of free. It's a free

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Speaker 1: for all, right. People can come talk to you and

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Speaker 1: you may not want that. Yep. Okay, two more questions

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Speaker 1: some areas are talking about. Well, you kind of already

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Speaker 1: answered this. I mean, if we end up in a

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Speaker 1: digital school situation, I guess your answer to can you

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Speaker 1: work a full time job with kids at home and

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Speaker 1: no childcare is no unless you and your partner figure

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Speaker 1: out some very crafty hours trading solution. So I kind

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Speaker 1: of think you already answered that one unless you have

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Speaker 1: anything to add. All right, I have a fun one

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Speaker 1: because we haven't done this for a while. I don't

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Speaker 1: want you to use today when you answer this, because

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Speaker 1: you are at the beach, But can you take us

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Speaker 1: through a day in your life of working from home

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Speaker 1: right now as it is currently occurring. Yeah, So when

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Speaker 1: I am at home, you know, I tend to wake

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Speaker 1: up with the baby in the morning, feed him whatever

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Speaker 1: time that happens. Usually I get up with sort of

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Speaker 1: when he has has gotten up, unless it's really early

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Speaker 1: and I try and he often goes back down, But

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Speaker 1: I don't get up. Try to do like an hour

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Speaker 1: of work or so before other people are stirring, you know,

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Speaker 1: have breakfast. Often there are camps or school or something

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Speaker 1: that's needed to happen around nine nine thirty, so get

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Speaker 1: people going on that. Then go into my office. We've

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Speaker 1: had our you know, usually our childcare starts at eight o'clock.

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Speaker 1: That's what we have the summer too, at eight o'clock

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Speaker 1: Monday through Thursdays, when it starts, you know, go in,

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Speaker 1: try to do my most important tasks in the morning,

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Speaker 1: understanding that those will be interrupted by baby feeding every

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Speaker 1: three hours or so. You know, try and as soon

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Speaker 1: as he's been fed, really focus on something and try

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Speaker 1: to convey to any other children who wander in that

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Speaker 1: this is not a good time. Sometimes that works better

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Speaker 1: than others, but you know, and then lunch. By the afternoon,

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Speaker 1: it's usually I've gotten through the stuff that I've assigned

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Speaker 1: myself for the day, so the afternoon can be a

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Speaker 1: bit more free flowing, like I'm answering emails or sometimes

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Speaker 1: I have calls. What's been really hard for me is

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Speaker 1: figuring out times to record my short podcast before breakfast

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Speaker 1: in new corner office, because those do require quiet, and

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Speaker 1: if there are people around the house, it's really hard

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Speaker 1: to have actual quiet. So I've been you know, see

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Speaker 1: if the baby can be just fed and as happy,

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Speaker 1: can go down in the basement, and I tell the

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Speaker 1: other kids, like you have to be quiet, like just

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Speaker 1: don't make noise for thirty minutes, And sometimes they're better

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Speaker 1: than others, but you know, I can often get through

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Speaker 1: a couple episodes in that and do what I can,

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Speaker 1: you know, we eat dinner around six o'clock. That's been

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Speaker 1: kind of a new family thing with quarantine. Since we're

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Speaker 1: all there, it's fine to have a dinner time six

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Speaker 1: o'clock pretty much every night. And that's I'm not really

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Speaker 1: doing a whole lot of work after dinner these days.

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Speaker 1: I've probably limited the amount of work I've been doing.

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Speaker 1: I feel like I'm not necessarily getting as much done.

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Speaker 1: But that's but you still wrote a book and are

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Speaker 1: doing three podcasts, so I think you're probably pretty good

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Speaker 1: doing what I can. That's a lot of work. Oh

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Speaker 1: my goodness. Okay, well, I don't have an extra Q

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Speaker 1: and A for this episode, since this is basically one

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Speaker 1: long Q and A for all of you, but if

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Speaker 1: you would like, please send Laura in particular your work

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Speaker 1: from home dilemmas or questions, because we are happy to

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Speaker 1: tackle those on a further episode. But we do need

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Speaker 1: to share our loves of the week. I feel like

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Speaker 1: I know what you're going to say for years, but

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Speaker 1: let's see. Okay, mine is the mister clean magic Eras

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Speaker 1: I know, I'm late to that party. I know this

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Speaker 1: is not a new product like at all, but Genevieve

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Speaker 1: is really not so great about controlling her impulses around crayons.

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Speaker 1: We'll put it that way, And so every time I

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Speaker 1: turn around, there's like a new surface that has little

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Speaker 1: circles on it, which is like her new favorite thing

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Speaker 1: to draw. So that thing works like shockingly. Well, wow,

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Speaker 1: I did have a reader write in that actually baking

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Speaker 1: soda would probably be almost as good and a more

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Speaker 1: eco friendly solution, So I may give that a try,

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Speaker 1: especially because I only bought two of those magic erasers

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Speaker 1: and I've already used up once. So we'll see if

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Speaker 1: the natural way also works. It may especially work on

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Speaker 1: the more washable crayons, which I have switched her to.

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Speaker 1: But if you do have kind of a disaster, or

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Speaker 1: you have a kid that drew all over a piece

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Speaker 1: of furniture and you thought it was kind of ruined forever,

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Speaker 1: you may want to give the magic eraser a try.

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Speaker 1: Sounds good. That has not been as big a problem

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Speaker 1: for us. Well, you're in the sweet spot. You don't

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Speaker 1: have a scribbler age child right now. I'm trying to say,

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Speaker 1: I don't know that any of them wore on walls

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Speaker 1: as much, but maybe they're just less artistically inclined, and

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Speaker 1: it's going to be the next Picasso here, so's she's

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Speaker 1: you know, she can tell people my mother erased my

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Speaker 1: early master that house would be worth millions. We don't

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Speaker 1: own it, so you know, it doesn't matter matter. So

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Speaker 1: my love of the week. We're in the beach right now,

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Speaker 1: and I love the Jersey Shore. You know, it's we're

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Speaker 1: in a sort of more quiet, family friendly town. We've

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Speaker 1: been here for we've rented houses here for like fourteen years,

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Speaker 1: but it's just got so many memories with it now

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Speaker 1: and it's been nice to be here. You're at the

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Speaker 1: same house every time. I've done quite the tour of

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Speaker 1: the rental market in this town. I I've experienced most

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Speaker 1: of them. We have our favorites, but we're in a

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Speaker 1: new house this time that we have not been in before,

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Speaker 1: and it's been actually quite nice. I would probably again,

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Speaker 1: although there's another one I also like to so we'll see.

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Speaker 1: But you know, it's it's good to vacation in the

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Speaker 1: same place to a degree. I we don't only go here,

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Speaker 1: we like to go other places too, but especially this

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Speaker 1: year when lots of other stuff has not been an option,

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Speaker 1: I've been really happy that the shore is at least

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Speaker 1: still open. And the cool thing is that they limited

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Speaker 1: the beach access in order to keep it not too crowded.

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Speaker 1: And so since we have season passes here with the

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Speaker 1: house with the rental, it's been like awesome. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's a you have the beach and it's

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Speaker 1: not crowded. And yes, I feel bad if people were

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Speaker 1: not able to get on the beach and they thought

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Speaker 1: they would be and that's kind of unfortunate because it's

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Speaker 1: normally more accessible. But on the other hand, it's got

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Speaker 1: some upsides for you know this situation. You can buy

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Speaker 1: daily passes. You just have to buy them on the

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Speaker 1: app the day before so that you know, I'm not

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Speaker 1: sure everyone would know that on their first day that

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Speaker 1: they tried to come to the beach. But then there's

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Speaker 1: some other towns nearby that allow more daily effects, so

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Speaker 1: probably people can still go to the beach, So I'll anyway,

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Speaker 1: enough about that uncrowded beach is a nice place. Oh

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Speaker 1: it sounds lovely, all right, Well, this has been best

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Speaker 1: of both worlds. We've been talking about working from home

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Speaker 1: based on tips from my book The New Corner Office,

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Speaker 1: which is out today. If people feel like they might

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Speaker 1: want to pick up a copy. I would really appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Leave a nice review, and we'll be back next week

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Speaker 1: with more on making work in life that together. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for listening. You can find me Sarah at the shoebox

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Speaker 1: dot com or at the Underscore Shoebox on Instagram, and

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Speaker 1: you can find me Laura at Laura vandercam dot com.

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Speaker 1: This has been the best of both worlds podcasts. Please

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Speaker 1: join us next time for more on making work and

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Speaker 1: life work together. Four