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Speaker 1: Hello, everybody, Welcome to the Friday edition of Just the News.

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Speaker 1: Shortly after our show went off the air last night,

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Speaker 1: the Wall Street Journal decided to drop their bombshell expose

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Speaker 1: on President Trump and Jeffrey Epstein. And despite rumors floating

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Speaker 1: around four days that this story would look very bad

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Speaker 1: for the President, most Americans, after reading the details, simply

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Speaker 1: thought that's it.

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Speaker 2: So we're going to get into all of that.

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Speaker 1: With Mike Ben's in just a minute, but I want

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Speaker 1: to focus on some of the Democrat talking points on

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Speaker 1: all of this, because they are now getting called out

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Speaker 1: in a very, very big way. Now the Democrats are

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Speaker 1: now calling for a full release of all information related

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Speaker 1: to Epstein. Many Republicans, of course, are too, But these

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Speaker 1: calls from Democrats are more than a little suspicious.

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Speaker 2: To me because they never call for any of this before.

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Speaker 1: For example, here's Democrat Senator Dick Durbin a few days ago.

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Speaker 2: Do you now want to see the files released?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely? Leader Jeffries is right.

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Speaker 4: Either they misled the American people with this conspiracy theory

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Speaker 4: for years, or they're covering it up now. I joined

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Speaker 4: with Senator Chris van Holland from Maryland during the appropriations

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Speaker 4: process last week. We offered an amendment together, and the

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Speaker 4: amendments said that they should preserve the evidence so the

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Speaker 4: Epstein investigation and release it to the American people. It

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Speaker 4: passed by a voice vote. The Republicans didn't want a

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Speaker 3: On the issue.

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Speaker 1: Is so convenient. It's starting to see him say that,

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Speaker 1: because back when President Biden was in office, Senator Durbin

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Speaker 1: seemed to want nothing to do with any of this.

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Speaker 1: In fact, he played questions about releasing the Epstein flight

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Speaker 1: logs like he didn't even know what they were talking about.

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Speaker 3: Watch I don't know anything about his flight logs?

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Speaker 5: But why won't you subpoena them? Why don't you want

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Speaker 5: to know the issue?

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Speaker 4: I know who Epstein was, but I certainly don't know

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Speaker 4: anything about the issue.

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Speaker 5: Well, he was charged with sex trafficking, so why don't

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Speaker 5: you want to know who was utilizing his private plane?

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Speaker 3: Never been raised by anyone?

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Speaker 5: Well, Senator Blackburn has wanted to subpoena them, and there

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Speaker 5: hasn't been a vote in your commission.

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Speaker 3: That a word to me, not a word.

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Speaker 2: Aren't you curious?

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Speaker 5: Like what high profile or powerful people might be closeted

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Speaker 5: predators and pedophiles?

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Speaker 2: Doesn't that concern you?

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Speaker 3: Of course?

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Speaker 2: So why won't you subpoena them? If you can't?

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Speaker 3: It's the first time anyone has raised it.

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Speaker 1: What a difference it makes when someone else is in

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Speaker 1: the oval office. So obviously he didn't care too much

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Speaker 1: about it back then. Wonder why he does now. I Meanwhile,

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Speaker 1: Joe Scarborough over at MSNBC actually asked a good question

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Speaker 1: to Democrat Congressman Jamie Raskin about the Epstein files, namely,

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Speaker 1: why did Democrats not release them or even talk about

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Speaker 1: and when they were in power.

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Speaker 2: His answer, well, it wasn't really much up one.

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Speaker 6: From twenty one to twenty five when Democrats controlled.

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Speaker 2: THEOJ Why it was a crisis.

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Speaker 7: Then it's a crisis now why didn't why didn't Democrats

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Speaker 7: So I don't know we could try to reconstruct that record.

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Speaker 1: What does that answer make any sense to you, because

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Speaker 1: it definitely does not to me. I don't even know

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Speaker 1: with Mike Ben's but we also have massive new updates

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Speaker 1: for you around the Russia Gate hoax, with John Solomon

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Speaker 1: and Jerry Dunleavy doing some great reporting over at justinews

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Speaker 1: dot com, the latest of which involved newly to classified

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Speaker 1: documents that show a key spy was shocked to learn

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Speaker 1: that the Steele dossier was used in the Obama administration

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Speaker 1: intelligence assessment on Russian meddling in the twenty sixteen election.

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Speaker 1: Director of National Intelligence Tulsey Gabberty classified.

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Speaker 2: These documents, which show that an intel.

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Speaker 1: Officer on the US National Intelligence Council learned by accident

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Speaker 1: about the dossier's impact on the twenty sixteen election assessment,

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Speaker 1: blowing the whistle to Gabbard personally and to the intel

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Speaker 1: community's watchhog. And honestly, it's just further proof that the

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Speaker 1: widely discredited Steele dossier should not have been used for

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Speaker 1: predicate for any kind of investigation whatsoever, which begs the question.

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Speaker 2: Why was it?

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Speaker 1: I think that that answer is becoming increasingly more clear now.

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Speaker 1: We also have reporting up on justinnews dot com showing

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Speaker 1: that the US intelligence community had not made any mention

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Speaker 1: of Russia backing the then candidate Trump in the twenty

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Speaker 1: sixteen election as late as September of that year, but

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Speaker 1: of course after Trump won the election in November, things

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Speaker 1: changed drastically. D and I Gabbert also brought this to

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Speaker 1: light earlier today, pointing out that after the election, new

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Speaker 1: guidance from the intelligence community went out saying that Russia

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Speaker 1: had hacked the election in favor of President Trump. Remember

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Speaker 1: we all do well when that was going around. So

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Speaker 1: I think our first guest is going to have a

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Speaker 1: lot to say about all of this. So joining us now,

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Speaker 1: the executive director of the Foundation for Freedom Online, Mike Ben's. Mike,

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Speaker 1: so good to see you again. Thanks for being here.

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Speaker 8: Great to see Amanda Gosh.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know where to start, but let's start

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Speaker 1: with Wall Street Journal's big expose on Trump. Epstein this

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Speaker 1: very strangely worded letter that frankly doesn't even sound like

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Speaker 1: President Trump. We all know what he sounds like face

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Speaker 1: forward and also behind, you know, in more private settings.

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Speaker 2: And it's not this.

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Speaker 6: Have you ever noticed that enigmas never age what he

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Speaker 6: wrote to the sort of poetic lines in there. You know,

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Speaker 6: it's all quite silly, namely because it doesn't move the

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Speaker 8: So I think that there's.

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Speaker 6: Been a lot of talk about this because I think

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Speaker 6: Democrats are desperate to try to find something to try

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Speaker 8: But you know, the folks who were clamoring.

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Speaker 6: To try to put the Epstein thing to bed, I

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Speaker 6: think are not going to be moved by this that

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Speaker 6: they should suddenly investigate Epstein in. The folks who are

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Speaker 6: looking for genuine declassifications and genuine investigations into, for example,

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Speaker 6: Epstein's intelligence ties, such as myself, are not.

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Speaker 8: Moved by this either way.

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Speaker 6: So, you know, I think it's a nothing burger other

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Speaker 6: than this, in the sort of narrow, kind of humorous

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Speaker 6: believe that just today Trump sued Wall Street Journal News Corp.

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Speaker 6: In the whole sort of family over this, and Trump

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Speaker 6: is clearly very enraged over it. But other than that,

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Speaker 8: I should note that even if this were.

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Speaker 6: To be true, we have the fact that Trump is

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Speaker 6: on the Epstein flight logs from the nineteen nineties. I mean,

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Speaker 6: that was in the binder that was handed out to

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Speaker 6: looking through the flight logs and you can see Donald

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Speaker 6: Trump's name on it. But that was also in the

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Speaker 6: nineteen nineties, about ten years before there was any conviction.

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Speaker 6: And I don't think that just because someone has interacted

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Speaker 6: with Jeffrey Epstein, who was effectively a billionaire and deeply

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Speaker 6: connected to lots of different transactions around the political donor world,

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Speaker 6: as well as in all manner of real estate, aviation,

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Speaker 6: that goes to Trump's point about trying to put the

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Speaker 8: But at the same time.

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Speaker 6: I think the fact that what's typically discussed around Epstein

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Speaker 6: You know what kind of gets lost in the shuffle

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Speaker 6: there is that there was a lot of business that

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Speaker 8: That does not make you.

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Speaker 6: You know, a child sex trafficker or something because ten

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Speaker 6: years before any conviction, you were doing business with this guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, let's be real.

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Speaker 1: Even present day millionaire and billionaire circles are pretty small,

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Speaker 1: and even more so back in the nineteen nineties. But regardless,

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Speaker 1: I want all of the truth to come out. Now,

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Speaker 1: what do you make of Democrats? I mean, it actually

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Speaker 1: Democrats care about this coming to light when Joe Biden

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Speaker 6: Of course, I refer to this as the Epstein hot potato,

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Speaker 6: which is that the you know, for the past fifteen

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Speaker 6: about twenty years. But there's what's on both sides of

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Speaker 6: nineteen seventy nine, this is exactly when Jeffrey Epstein starts

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Speaker 6: you have, obviously, during the Bill Clinton era, you had

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Speaker 6: Jeffrey Epstein make seventeen trips to the Bill Clinton White House.

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Speaker 6: His lawyers provide a statement in court during his trial

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Speaker 6: that Jeffrey Epstein co founded the Clinton Global Initiative with

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Speaker 6: Bill Clinton. That Bill Clinton actually in two thousand and two,

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Speaker 6: do international diplomacy work with Jeffrey Epstein at his side,

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Speaker 6: Jeffrey Epstein essentially being an air chaw for Clinton as

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Speaker 6: I noted the involvement with the Clinton Global Initiative. So

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Speaker 6: I mean, you have this very very deep interlacing of

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Speaker 1: But Mike, thank you for being here because you give me,

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