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Speaker 2: Kristin and I met at Red Bull Jukebox. We're hanging backstage,

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Speaker 1: It is my pleasure. Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 2: I'm so excited for this. We were just backstage. We

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Speaker 1: Look as the only two women in any space, you

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Speaker 2: It really did, Like that's the best bonding experience I've

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Speaker 1: We'll start off with one of my first like core

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Speaker 2: I love that, and you did exactly that. All you

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Speaker 1: Well, and let's be really, you were looking hot. I

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Speaker 2: This is probably why we bonded so well.

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Speaker 2: This is the year that determines a lot one.

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Speaker 2: That's true, true blow up, and you are hot.

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Speaker 1: So I.

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Speaker 2: You deserve better, I see, and that's what I need

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Speaker 2: to This is why we bonded again, because I just

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I started, I guess technically really I

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Speaker 2: Guys, I feel like you would have made friends. Did

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Speaker 1: GV background singer mister Jeremy Lister. Listen to his music.

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Speaker 1: He makes his own EPs. He's unreal the way that

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Speaker 1: Our task today is we are learning two dance moves

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Speaker 1: You know what, if you put up anything online along

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Speaker 2: I do need this. I need this for the Dallas

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Speaker 2: cowboych shailers. So maybe you can be an honorary Dallas

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Speaker 1: I'm in I was born in Dallas. I deserve it.

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Speaker 2: We found your new dream.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: This is it.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. I will never be able to kick that high,

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Speaker 2: You can do other things. You can sing for them, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Nah, I gotta work on my rasp, but I'm in there.

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Speaker 2: You can do that.

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Speaker 1: It's the only thing I have left.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So this is obviously just one of a million

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I have had, I think, such a

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Speaker 2: I want all the random chaos.

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Speaker 1: So yes, please continue, welcome, without question, the funniest gig

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Speaker 1: I've ever done, and like probably the most unique is

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Speaker 1: So if you're running around, I'm like, oh God, please

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Speaker 2: This is why you actually maybe haven't had children yet.

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Speaker 2: I think it would cause you true anxiety in your life.

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Speaker 1: Let me be real the way that I have a

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Speaker 1: The Gap store, Okay, there is a two level gap

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Speaker 1: was funny, incredible because people like came in droves with

439
00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:05,800
Speaker 1: hundreds of people. It was super fun. And then we're

440
00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:10,120
Speaker 1: between two escalators and Jake has no chill, so he's

441
00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:13,240
Speaker 1: like riding up the escalator, like climbing down, sliding down

442
00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:15,320
Speaker 1: the thing like. It was one of the most funny

443
00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:18,640
Speaker 1: shows of my life. And I couldn't just every time

444
00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:21,639
Speaker 1: i'd just come to Presents, I'd be like, I'm a cap.

445
00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:25,160
Speaker 2: All you can think of is that you're they turned

446
00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:28,160
Speaker 2: a clothing store into a venue slash bar where you're

447
00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:30,040
Speaker 2: now performing. But it's kind of a music video.

448
00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:33,960
Speaker 1: Sure, sure, it couldn't have been more random, and everybody

449
00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,600
Speaker 1: was just having a blast with it. Gap dressed us

450
00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:38,800
Speaker 1: for like a month's worth of wardrobe. Think you gap?

451
00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:40,640
Speaker 2: Okay, that's what I was gonna ask, did you get

452
00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:41,320
Speaker 2: Gap clothes?

453
00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:43,640
Speaker 1: Then were getting swagged out for these brand games.

454
00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,160
Speaker 2: I had to know no, you know.

455
00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:49,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, they spoiled us to death and they just had

456
00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:52,159
Speaker 1: such a wonderful staff and approach, and that was just

457
00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:53,840
Speaker 1: one of the most fun gigs I've ever done. And

458
00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:55,080
Speaker 1: I don't know why that's the one I had to

459
00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:56,119
Speaker 1: tell you about, but it is no.

460
00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:57,960
Speaker 2: I love that one, and that's a really good one.

461
00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:00,080
Speaker 2: Did you have other ones come to my because I

462
00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,080
Speaker 2: feel like you just have a plethora of stories, so

463
00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:03,399
Speaker 2: I want to make sure before.

464
00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:07,520
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, there's so many, something will pop up.

465
00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:09,280
Speaker 1: If we keep going, something'll pop up because I'll just

466
00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:11,040
Speaker 1: sit here and just think, and that's no good.

467
00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,640
Speaker 2: Obviously, when you speak to anybody who's in the artist world,

468
00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:19,680
Speaker 2: they obviously have these goals that they'd love to hit.

469
00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:23,040
Speaker 2: From your perspective, what are your goals? What are the

470
00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:24,920
Speaker 2: things that you would love to achieve? Maybe something that

471
00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:28,280
Speaker 2: you've already achieved, but is there anything that you still

472
00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:30,200
Speaker 2: hope to accomplish in this space?

473
00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:33,600
Speaker 1: The bucket list is a weird one because sometimes I'm like,

474
00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:37,439
Speaker 1: I didn't even know to put something on my bucket

475
00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:39,200
Speaker 1: list that was so good that I got to do.

476
00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:42,520
Speaker 2: Those are interesting, right, yeah, Like you have those moments

477
00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:43,440
Speaker 2: in your life.

478
00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:45,480
Speaker 1: Totally, Like, for instance, doing a halftime like that was

479
00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:46,840
Speaker 1: not even on my bucket list. I was like, there's

480
00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:50,239
Speaker 1: no way, my nerd ask, it's not gonna happen. But

481
00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:53,640
Speaker 1: like then I'm on TV doing a halftime. Then I'm

482
00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:58,960
Speaker 1: headlining Coachella. Then I'm shoot on every Country Music award

483
00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:01,879
Speaker 1: show and I've done now see me seven times, Like,

484
00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:03,320
Speaker 1: what do you put on the bucket list at a

485
00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:05,679
Speaker 1: certain point, because I've been and let me just say, like,

486
00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,119
Speaker 1: I am one of the luckiest people I know. I

487
00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:10,880
Speaker 1: do not take that for granted. I do not misunderstand

488
00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,560
Speaker 1: that to have gotten to do all these things and

489
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:18,480
Speaker 1: again not absorbable the artist drama. Lucky girl, but also there's.

490
00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:21,000
Speaker 2: A huge artistry to you that you're not giving yourself

491
00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:21,960
Speaker 2: enough credit for here.

492
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:22,840
Speaker 1: Thank you.

493
00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:25,560
Speaker 2: You are incredibly lucky. Yes, I feel that way often

494
00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:27,760
Speaker 2: in what I do, sure, but there's also so much

495
00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:29,919
Speaker 2: talent that comes with what you do. That's why a

496
00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:31,119
Speaker 2: lot of people can't do it.

497
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:33,879
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you. I've worked really hard and I

498
00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:37,280
Speaker 1: really love what I do. And I think if anything,

499
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:40,359
Speaker 1: if I'd like to think that anything has influenced the

500
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:42,360
Speaker 1: stability of my career to this point, it is that

501
00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:45,359
Speaker 1: one of a very deep and important thing to me

502
00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:48,879
Speaker 1: is to treat all opportunities with respect and to sing

503
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:52,439
Speaker 1: down and to care, Like when I sit down with

504
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,359
Speaker 1: you in the studio, we're going to record your song.

505
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,320
Speaker 1: Sometimes you don't really have a moment. Sometimes it's let's

506
00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,520
Speaker 1: go a time pressure. But when we don't have that,

507
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:01,440
Speaker 1: I love to sit with the artists and be like,

508
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:02,679
Speaker 1: why the hell did you write this?

509
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,200
Speaker 2: Does find the story and the depth of.

510
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 1: It, because I'm going to add my voice to your voice.

511
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,760
Speaker 1: That carries a lot of emotional content if we let it.

512
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,720
Speaker 1: And vulnerability is one of the only things I'm good at.

513
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:17,960
Speaker 1: So let me come with you where you went. Give

514
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,920
Speaker 1: me a taste. And when I get that, I was

515
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 1: singing a thousand times better, singing a thousand and just

516
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:27,560
Speaker 1: giving more. But we're in this very interesting time as artists.

517
00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,760
Speaker 1: Where as I call them, the robots are offering a

518
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:34,879
Speaker 1: threat to some of our CREATI yeah, there is a

519
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:38,560
Speaker 1: fear among my community pretty heavily right now of those things.

520
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,360
Speaker 1: And something I think about right now is, Okay, can't

521
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 1: fix it, don't know anything about it, have not even

522
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:45,680
Speaker 1: typed anything into chat GBT. I know that's a brag.

523
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 1: Sorry guys, you should.

524
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,000
Speaker 2: Keep ragging about that as long as you cannot use

525
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:51,200
Speaker 2: DAI for anything yet.

526
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 1: But that said, and I know it can be a

527
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,439
Speaker 1: great tool. I'm not just ragging on it. You have

528
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,000
Speaker 1: to work with progress, and I hear that too, But

529
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 1: I think right now I am one the musicians that

530
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 1: is still being called to make lots of music. And

531
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 1: so guess what a I can't do cry with you

532
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 1: in the middle of your dang song. I'm in this

533
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 1: space where if you're still gonna call, I'm gonna send

534
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 1: it way harder than I ever did. Which like, let's

535
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 1: be scared of that, Like, let's go ahead and do that,

536
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 1: because let's say it is our last opportunity. I'm gonna

537
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,359
Speaker 1: enjoy it, like I'm gonna I need to make music

538
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 1: I can be proud of if it's some of the

539
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,959
Speaker 1: last music that humans make, which, let's be real, is

540
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 1: not a real threat. We can be that dramatic.

541
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 2: But you also, it's a fair thing, right, because it's

542
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 2: more the unknowing. We don't know what's to come. We

543
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:39,120
Speaker 2: know that this is here, we know that it has

544
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,199
Speaker 2: the ability to do a whole lot of things, and

545
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:44,879
Speaker 2: we haven't even touched the surface. So it's fair to

546
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 2: be fearful of the unknown. That's what's happening. But I

547
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 2: do it's crazy. There was a song that popped up

548
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 2: I love to listen to just different curated playlists so

549
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,639
Speaker 2: I can get new music and hear different voices. And

550
00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 2: one popped up and I was like, that's interesting. I

551
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 2: haven't heard of this person of for and I went

552
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:02,639
Speaker 2: to their thing. I like to hear the story. I

553
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:04,439
Speaker 2: want to know the backstory of who this person is.

554
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 2: And I love to support artists and see their coming

555
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:08,640
Speaker 2: of age.

556
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 1: If you will, I actually want to do the thing

557
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 1: that you're doing. That's so cool.

558
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very much, so rarely, but in that moment,

559
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,879
Speaker 2: I do. But I went and dug on this person.

560
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 2: And first thing, I go to social media because that's

561
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 2: what I'm really at and I know I can learn

562
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,399
Speaker 2: a lot about somebody through that. I go to this

563
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,639
Speaker 2: one's page and I was like, are you kidding me?

564
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 2: It was an AI artist and I was like, immediate delete,

565
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 2: get off of the playlist. That shouldn't even be on

566
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,959
Speaker 2: the playlist. It wasn't even something I chose to listen to,

567
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:40,119
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And I was just like,

568
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 2: no listening to that ever. No. And it's not that

569
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 2: I don't support it. I do support it in ways,

570
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 2: and there's going to be a lot of things that

571
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:51,879
Speaker 2: benefit from it. But when it comes to creativity. The

572
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:55,680
Speaker 2: reason that people connect is because it's human. Yes, we're

573
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,360
Speaker 2: connecting in that way. If you would like to connect

574
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 2: with a robot, that's an option, but it's you think

575
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 2: that's happening anything, any entertainment.

576
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,879
Speaker 1: In theory, music, movies, all of this is art and

577
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:13,440
Speaker 1: the point of art is released in creativity in the process.

578
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 1: And we have in ways as a culture made art

579
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 1: into a consumable thing. And let's be real, with one

580
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 1: of those like early two thousands hipster kids, it was like,

581
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:28,919
Speaker 1: I'm never gonna be on the gig that like I

582
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 1: don't believe in or I'm never gonna work in this

583
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 1: genre or that genre because of what they think. And

584
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 1: that's hilarious, that's so cute. I love that for me,

585
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,640
Speaker 1: But what is that actually? That is saying I want

586
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 1: to make art in a vacuum for me, and you

587
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:48,679
Speaker 1: can always do that, that is always allowed, always, But

588
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 1: if we want to consider making art for a living

589
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 1: as well, then we do have to start considering an audience.

590
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,479
Speaker 1: And those balances can get really strange.

591
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 2: Very much, and it has you speak about genres, So

592
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 2: walk me through all the people that you've ever done

593
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,679
Speaker 2: this with. Obviously, we have award shows, which is difficult

594
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 2: because that means you've done it for a whole lot

595
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:12,679
Speaker 2: of people.

596
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 1: And there's a there was a season and it continues

597
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: randomly in which I was what I call a house band.

598
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:22,360
Speaker 1: The word I use wasn't nice. But if you put

599
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 1: another B word after that, housepan babe, we'll say.

600
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 2: And she called herself that.

601
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 1: Just oh, this is self referential. Let me very clear.

602
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 1: The way that I talk to me is hilarious because

603
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 1: it has to be because I am ridiculous, so you.

604
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 2: Aren't ridiculous, but I hear you a good way.

605
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 1: I celebrate her like I love your chaos. Being a

606
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 1: normal lady is very available.

607
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 2: It's true.

608
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:46,399
Speaker 1: It's obviously not what I've ched.

609
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,679
Speaker 2: Who wants to be normal? That's not any fun for anybody,

610
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 2: so especially in this field too.

611
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 1: I consider it an insult personally.

612
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 2: But you're not normal, so you're welcome. Thank you.

613
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 1: Anyway. All that to say, I have gotten to work

614
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 1: in genres and that is, without question, my favorite thing

615
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 1: about my freedom. I started an Americana band. I was

616
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 1: in it. You were in it, so you were not

617
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 1: a background I but I was that in the band,

618
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 1: which is so funny.

619
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 2: Okay.

620
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 1: I graduated college and I met up with these guys.

621
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 1: They were a couple of years older, and one of

622
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 1: them was just recording a single and I went and

623
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:28,679
Speaker 1: did the background vocals in the studio and then he

624
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:30,160
Speaker 1: called us all a couple weeks later and he said,

625
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 1: but what if we were a band? And I was

626
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 1: twenty two, so I was like, that still sounds.

627
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 2: Like a good idea, sounds fun. Let's try it and.

628
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 1: Let me be real. I'm still friends with all those guys.

629
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 2: And are they still a band to this day?

630
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 1: No, they are not, but they kept up many years

631
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 1: after I left. I was in the band for like

632
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 1: two or three years, and then started getting a lot

633
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: of studio opportunities for background vocals. And I love the studio.

634
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 1: The studios jump through a hoop. I'm gonna put the

635
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 1: hoop over here. We're gonna light it on fire. Okay,

636
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: it goes up, it goes down, and I just I

637
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: love leaf fast work. The faster the better. I'm just

638
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: a little speed demon as a human brain. So studio

639
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 1: I love, and it was really lighting me up. And

640
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 1: I was young to be getting some of these opportunities,

641
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: so I was like, right, love you guys. Bye, So

642
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 1: started Americana.

643
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 2: Wait what was the band? What were they called?

644
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 1: Oh, they're called Humming House.

645
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 2: Humming House.

646
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, did quite a bit in Nashville for a while.

647
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 1: We still got some old music videos online.

648
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 2: Watch some of this. How long you've been in Nashville

649
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 2: Long time we're sor I'm coming up on my tenth year.

650
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 1: Okay, this is back. Like our first music video we

651
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: made was in Germantown when Germantown was.

652
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 2: Not Germantown mailed it.

653
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 1: There was this old tea house there in this old

654
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 1: building called the Savannah Tea House, and we just like

655
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: dance and it's cute. It's such a cute little video.

656
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm watching this is okay, So we've got Humming

657
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 2: Houses where it begins.

658
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: Yes, the genesis of my Nashville time again kind of

659
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 1: moving into studio world. And through that, I sang on

660
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 1: a band's record, A Thousand Horses. You may remember she

661
00:29:56,320 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 1: smoked my boys. Yes, I sang on their record, and

662
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 1: they were doing this. They had just gotten signed a

663
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 1: big machine and we're doing this big kind of Southern

664
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 1: rock family band vibe thing. And they wanted background vocalists

665
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 1: and so they called me after I'd done the record

666
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 1: and they're like, hey, we want to do the three

667
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 1: girl thing with the choreography and the honkke its want

668
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 1: to be thing. They were just like, you can call,

669
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 1: we trust you. We don't know anyone, call whoever you want.

670
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 2: And I was like, I get a great pist.

671
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 1: Literally, I need to make anybody I want. So I

672
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: called two of my best friends, phenomenal singers, and we

673
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 1: started that gig and that scene where they like getting

674
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 1: all the muppets together, it's just a dang mess and

675
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 1: they're all going to go start the band. Yes, it

676
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 1: was that every weekend and we were just young. We

677
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 1: were absolutely having too good to a time. I love

678
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 1: that bus twelve deep, which four reference to the layman.

679
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 1: There are twelve bunks on a bus, so if you're

680
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 1: twelve deep.

681
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 2: You are packed in like sardines sharing one bathroom. I

682
00:30:58,840 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 2: would think. Yeah.

683
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 1: I called buses a studio apartment with a half bath

684
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 1: because you can't use it. There's not usually a shower,

685
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: and if there is, nobody uses it, and the toilet

686
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,239
Speaker 1: itself is singular function. I'm sure you're aware of that.

687
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: You guys only want to be doing the one thing

688
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 1: in the toilet. I'm not gonna explain that any further.

689
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 2: I don't think we need to. That's okay, but.

690
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: It's a gross way to share space with everyone. But

691
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 1: we had the best time. Like we were young. It

692
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 1: was all of our first time on a bus or

693
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: touring like that, so we were just, Oh, I love

694
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 1: those boys. I still talk to them all the time.

695
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 2: I love that, and they're great guys.

696
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: There's the nerds. They're all dads now, like you gotta.

697
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 2: Love watching a band more from young and nobody had

698
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 2: any responsibilities to dad and mom life.

699
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 1: If I put my memories some of the more unstable

700
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: moments we shared together back to back with the sweet dads,

701
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: I know they are now. I'm like, but you know

702
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 1: what humans grow, and that's something you can always hold.

703
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 2: It's one of the funniest things to watch your friends

704
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 2: become parents. Oh my god, yes, hilarious. You're like, I

705
00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 2: saw you do crazy things at a bar one time,

706
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 2: and that is not the same person sitting in front

707
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 2: of me right now. It's a joy to watch that experience.

708
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 2: So I do understand.

709
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 1: I literally can't retell any stories from that era, and

710
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 1: I have not signed any NDAs. That's just respect.

711
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 2: Baby, that's probably I think sometimes things are better left unsaid.

712
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 1: I don't think I want them to tell my stories either.

713
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 2: I think we're good.

714
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 1: I think we can all let it rest mutual respects. Anyway,

715
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 1: horses were great. Did that for you guys? Did it

716
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 1: three years and then it was exactly that we were

717
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: family and they were having some changes and figuring out

718
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 1: what they should do, and it just made sense for

719
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:33,479
Speaker 1: all of us to part. That one actually felt more

720
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 1: like a mutual breakup, and I was always it was

721
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: very cute. They had me like bringing singers to audition,

722
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 1: and I held auditions for them, and then they ended

723
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: up not even hiring anybody.

724
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 2: Because it just wasn't that's when you know you did something.

725
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: But they were just a dependent They were just dependent.

726
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 1: Was what ended up happening. Is they did not hire

727
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 1: more background singers, but they can all sing, so they

728
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: just hired me on as their vocal coach to teach

729
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: them the parts that we'd all been doing, and they

730
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: started doing it themselves and it was great.

731
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 2: That's cool.

732
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:04,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, I very occasionally still go back and do that

733
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 1: with them, and they're I love those boys, their family forever.

734
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 1: So did that for a few years and then just

735
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 1: was feeling like I needed a change and kind of

736
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 1: went into a gap year, which like, that's the scariest

737
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 1: year of your career is when you take away the

738
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: main job and you'll figure out if you can do freelance.

739
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:27,479
Speaker 2: Freelance meaning just picking up in studio opportunities or like

740
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 2: one offs and different moments. Is that what freelance looks like.

741
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: Yes, And for a while I was doing I picked

742
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 1: up someone else with this artist named Ryan Kinder, who

743
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: is an angel baby.

744
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 2: I've heard some of his songs.

745
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: Yes, he was on Warner for a while. So I

746
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: was doing some stuff with Ryan, which was a good

747
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: stability piece. And then yeah, I was just like, I've

748
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 1: been doing some studio work and I felt like it

749
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 1: was going to be more sustainable. But that's when I

750
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 1: started teaching, which I love and I missed it all

751
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: the time when I'm on the road. But teaching has

752
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: been a really stable piece of my career when the

753
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: rest of it is very seasonal and gig based and

754
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: all that.

755
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 2: So and teaching, are you teaching how to college a

756
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 2: school vocal coach? Like just lessons?

757
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: Lessons, just totally. I teach might say a quarter of

758
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 1: my students on zoom, whether they're touring or just out

759
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: of town. And then I prefer to have people in person,

760
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 1: which I have a dedicated space in my home for.

761
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 1: And it is Oh, it's.

762
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 2: You want to know something crazy?

763
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:32,439
Speaker 1: What?

764
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 2: Way back when, this was before young Morgan knew anything

765
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:39,280
Speaker 2: about anythingty girl, I very much wanted to be a singer.

766
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, and I took a lot of vocal lessons.

767
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 1: Hey what style?

768
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,240
Speaker 2: I could not tell you. This is like young Morgan,

769
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 2: the really.

770
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:48,839
Speaker 1: Making me do like classical like Broadway? Were you singing

771
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 1: pop songs? You like country?

772
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 2: No? It was more classical because I was also inquired.

773
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 2: So I was singing just a lot of songs and

774
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:55,720
Speaker 2: learning how to read music.

775
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: Very common to end up in classical first.

776
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,320
Speaker 2: Yes, and I did all the dough rem that I

777
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 2: had on my warm let's go all the things, but

778
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 2: that was clearly not My mother helped me on that

779
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 2: one to be like, I think we should deter in

780
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 2: a different direction. I was really great at harmonizing with people,

781
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 2: but I was not good at singing by myself. I

782
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 2: could not find a beat to save my life by myself.

783
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 2: It was the wildest thing. But like you put me

784
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 2: with like people, or like you put me on a

785
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 2: track with it, I could sing it perfectly.

786
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: You were meant to be one of us. You just

787
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: didn't have your revenue.

788
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 2: I didn't know it existed. Nobody told me I could

789
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 2: do that.

790
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,399
Speaker 1: That's it. It's you have to go to that one

791
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 1: show at Red Rocks and have your exactly come to

792
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: whatever God you believe in moment literally. But it's okay.

793
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 2: It worked out in the way that it needed to.

794
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 2: I did.

795
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 1: Don't worry after this, no one will pay me to

796
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: speak either. We're gonna we're gonna stay in our zones

797
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 1: in a good way.

798
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 2: That is not true. You're so good at this, and

799
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 2: definitely nobody's paying me to singing. But it's funny because

800
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 2: I really loved my vocal coach and I did piano lessons,

801
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,800
Speaker 2: I did guitar lessons. I tried, I really tried everything.

802
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 2: But I did love my vocal coach and it was

803
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 2: a cool experience for me. So I know the impact

804
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 2: of what you're doing for whoever you're working with.

805
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 1: Oh, it's just sweet. I think people are so freaked

806
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: out by their voices, like if they're not working, they're like,

807
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 1: and let me say also, I am not immune to that.

808
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 1: I'm sick. My voice isn't working right, no quicker way

809
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: for me to be moved days mean, because it not

810
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 1: only is it necessary for my career for doing anything

811
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 1: that I do, it is also a big part of

812
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 1: our identity. And actually that's something that I kind of

813
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 1: work to help my students release, is that singing has

814
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 1: to be part of our identity. No, you are something.

815
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 1: If you never utter a note again, you are the

816
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: same thing you were.

817
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 2: Can you also help me work with the shame of

818
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 2: hearing my own voice?

819
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 1: Yes, if you want some vocal notrding.

820
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, because this is what's funny about doing podcasting really,

821
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 2: or just having anybody on. Nobody loves to listen to themselves. Nope,

822
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 2: it's the one thing we all don't like. So I

823
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 2: know why nerd out on me.

824
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,919
Speaker 1: Yes, if you ever want to just vocal nerd, Well,

825
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 1: we're having a coffee, okay. But the reason you don't

826
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 1: you've never heard your own voice. Until it's recorded, you've

827
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 1: never heard it. Two major reasons why. Hey, your ears

828
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: are here, your voice goes this way. You're hearing reflection

829
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: mostly of what your voice actually sounds like the actual

830
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 1: sound of your voice you only hear reflected. Secondly, what

831
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 1: you identify as a sound of your voice actually is

832
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: going to be vibration of a bunch of tissues. Your

833
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: voice is here, vibrating, your ears are here. You're mostly

834
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: hearing vibration and muffled. And that's why you think your

835
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:47,800
Speaker 1: voice is lower than it.

836
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,919
Speaker 2: Is, and that's why you don't like the sound.

837
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: Where really what's coming out is just a clear.

838
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 2: Wait, let me let me know if because you know

839
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 2: that and you like know the science behind it, does

840
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,240
Speaker 2: it make you like your own voice more speaking voice,

841
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 2: any voice that you listen back in here?

842
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 1: Gosh, at this point, I'm so healthily detached from my voice.

843
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 1: I've singing on hundreds of records, like I always have

844
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 1: to hear my voice, like I'm so used to it

845
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 1: at this point. But is that something like I remember

846
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: early in my career very much struggling with Yeah, but

847
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 1: even my speaking voice I'm used to now em excused

848
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: the millionth time you hear anything. Yeah, there it is.

849
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 1: But I know when you guys hate your voices because

850
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 1: you don't hear your voice. Sorry, is that funny.

851
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,919
Speaker 2: I love the yeah. And now that you've like said

852
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 2: it out loud, now it feels like that. And now

853
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 2: all I hear is an echo, right.

854
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:41,479
Speaker 1: Because you're hearing the bright part of your voice coming

855
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 1: back to you. That's it. It's coming back from the wall.

856
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 1: That's the part of your voice you can hear.

857
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 2: Our bodies are so interesting. Oh, dude, conversation for another day.

858
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 1: I'm like, how long do we have? Oh?

859
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 2: I can always. I can keep anybody here forever. I

860
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 2: just love having conversations to you. But I did interrupt you,

861
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,479
Speaker 2: like in the middle of your we were talking about

862
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 2: your ark.

863
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 1: Of career, and let's be really interrupted myself because I

864
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 1: might have that thing. I'm undiagnosed, but I might have it.

865
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:09,280
Speaker 1: There's a chance.

866
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 2: There's always a chance, in one little.

867
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:16,760
Speaker 1: Way, if I read anything, I'm sure. So anyway, after

868
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: that little gap space of time, which let me say also,

869
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 1: something that I love about quitting is that when you

870
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,800
Speaker 1: quit something, you were free to be called for something.

871
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 1: A lot of my friends have gotten stuck on gigs

872
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 1: for a million years and they're like, I don't know

873
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 1: why nobody ever called me to do something else. And

874
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: that might impart be because you were doing that thing

875
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 1: and everybody thought you were happy there.

876
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:40,280
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. That's something I think about often in general,

877
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 2: just with most people, of being unhappy in jobs, and

878
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 2: you think about all the people who have quit and

879
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 2: something better came along. But MAN like to think about

880
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 2: you and how quitting is such a freedom for you.

881
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 2: That's so rare. I know, I'm weird, no, but it's

882
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:58,359
Speaker 2: so You're lucky in that sense.

883
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: You were talking about being lucky.

884
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 2: Truly in that way, because most people are not comfortable

885
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:07,359
Speaker 2: in change, and change is difficult. We see changes this

886
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 2: really big thing that is hard to overcome, and so

887
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 2: quitting is often associated with that. I actually think I

888
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 2: found where you're the most lucky, and it's because you

889
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:16,320
Speaker 2: have a freedom with quitting.

890
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,800
Speaker 1: And the gig economy, of course makes you more bold

891
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 1: to do that, because the gig economy is seasonal and

892
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 1: it moves and people change drops all the time, so

893
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 1: it's not as weighty as someone who might have a

894
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: nine to five something that is really really established. I

895
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 1: can't imagine what that is, and I won't pretend that

896
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 1: I do.

897
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 2: That.

898
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 1: Said I quit, I was free, and because I was free,

899
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 1: I very luckily got called somebody had dropped off the

900
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 1: Hosier tour and two months of notice to go on

901
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 1: like a two year tour. They were just like, we

902
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 1: had to drop out and we hear you're good and

903
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 1: tell you what. If I'd been on another gig, it

904
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 1: would have been very, very difficult to make my way out

905
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 1: of it in that time. Get there for rehearsals and

906
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 1: do the thing, and I don't know, just whatever stupid

907
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 1: gut thing just guides me through all of it. I

908
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: was just sitting there, mm hmm.

909
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 2: No problem, it's working.

910
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 1: It did, and it was great. I was with Hosier

911
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: for his second record tour, which that genre is very

912
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,800
Speaker 1: hard to define. It falls on me think the indie

913
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 1: pop category. But my role on it was mainly classical

914
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 1: because everything on it is very coral, which you know,

915
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 1: a credit to this man. At least those first records,

916
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 1: there's no women singing on them, like he's saying best

917
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 1: why it is high? It is true, Ricky. I became

918
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 1: so grateful I had the mother I did when I

919
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 1: got that gig, and like day one rehearsals, they're like

920
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 1: can anyone sing Hi? And everybody's like trying the part

921
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 1: and they're like, no one. I'm like, it'll be me. Okay, fine,

922
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:49,839
Speaker 1: I can do that. I can do that for months

923
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 1: at a time.

924
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 2: Let's do it. Okay. So at the time when you

925
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 2: were touring with them, because now it's been a massive

926
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 2: social media trend to like post videos to Hosiers yell

927
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 2: so many you there at which song I'm trying that

928
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 2: you're too sweet or as it would let me see,

929
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 2: because I've only literally heard the yell eighty million times.

930
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 1: Oh that one.

931
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 2: You can keep doing that? That was so pretty okay?

932
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 2: Oh okay. So it was in uh Hosier yell refers

933
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 2: to him performing Northern Attitude with Noah Khan. So that

934
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 2: would have been after that.

935
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 1: After yes, okay, that was last year. I think that

936
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 1: they maybe they recorded it the last year I was there.

937
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 1: So was there for twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen for that

938
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 1: tour which was supposed to chaotically was supposed to go

939
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 1: into twenty twenty, and we ended up cutting.

940
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:40,760
Speaker 2: It off COVID.

941
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 1: Not for COVID, we cut it off for other reasons, okay,

942
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 1: And I am so grateful I did not get pulled

943
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 1: off the road in the middle of that that is

944
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 1: one of the things I'm most grateful for.

945
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was crazy, talk about good timing of that happening. Okay,

946
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 2: but he's awesome. Like his vocals and stuff are reason crazy.

947
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 1: Talented musician, Yeah, and like really involved in his music

948
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 1: like that very much comes from his brain. Yeah, very

949
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,240
Speaker 1: very creative, but very high ask on a musician level.

950
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 1: Like I was singing classically essentially and playing percussion, which

951
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 1: like often I would have two different percussion instruments, and

952
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 1: was playing triangle girls.

953
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 2: So you're doing the high one and you're playing multiple

954
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 2: instruments at the same time.

955
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, but that's so fun for me as somebody

956
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: that is most likely to fall into a lack of stimulation.

957
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 1: Make my gig hard, make me go home and practice

958
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 1: triangle and I did. I practiced. The first time we

959
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 1: played the triangle song was on the Today Show, and

960
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 1: I was like, damn it. So I had to buy

961
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 1: a triangle and I walked around my house for two

962
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 1: weeks just practicing this triangle park because I had to

963
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,399
Speaker 1: sing something that was just in no way rhythmically lined

964
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 1: up with it. So I just sit in my house

965
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 1: what Jock given just like over and over and over

966
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 1: and over and over and over whatever. But you know what,

967
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 1: give me something to work on and stimulate my mind.

968
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 1: So grateful for all the things I got to do

969
00:43:57,880 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 1: on that gig, because I got to play some keys

970
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 1: and key bass too, which was great.

971
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 2: Okay, So that's what I was gonna ask you, What

972
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 2: all have you done instrument wise?

973
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 1: Okay? I am a terrible instrumentalist generally, that's okay. Oh

974
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 1: I think so too, but I just don't feel the

975
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:16,240
Speaker 1: passion for it. So I'm gonna just claim that I

976
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:19,399
Speaker 1: play guitar abominably, I play piano badly, and I play

977
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 1: percussion all right, Okay?

978
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 2: In percussion, include would you put triangle under progression?

979
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, okays, the hardest percussion instrument I've had to play,

980
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 1: no question, because it just rings. Baby, you can't screw up.

981
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 2: It's that funny because people would look at the triangle

982
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 2: and be like, that's sure the easiest job. Oh.

983
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 1: People think all percussion is easy, and they just picked

984
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 1: up the amount of people that pick up a tambourine.

985
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 1: I got it, and they're like.

986
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 2: Okay, go ahead, let's see how this goes.

987
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 1: Go ahead. I'm very particular about tamburine. That's probably if

988
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 1: I'm honest, it's like voice tambourine, like as far as

989
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 1: my skills go.

990
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 2: But that's cool because it truly is hard. I've definitely

991
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 2: picked up a tambarine just because I love anything that shakes.

992
00:44:58,160 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 1: That's it, and it seems like it's just gonna be fun.

993
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 2: Yeah it's not fun.

994
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's way scary the minute you start making noise.

995
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 1: I love. I love watching like a female artist pick

996
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,399
Speaker 1: it up, they use it as a prop, and how

997
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 1: quickly that thing goes down because you realize you are

998
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 1: just you've forgotten it's in your hand.

999
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 2: You're like, what am I like this shaking but not

1000
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:16,720
Speaker 2: making any good noise?

1001
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 1: A man, it's the best. And I do. I watch

1002
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 1: drummers faces fall when I pick one up in rehearsal.

1003
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 1: If we don't already know each other, they're like, oh please, no,

1004
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,280
Speaker 1: I realize I'm just give me a chance.

1005
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 2: Let me play this for you, and let's try.

1006
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 1: I will not repeat this list because it's just an

1007
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 1: ego rush, but I do keep a list of drummers

1008
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 1: that have complimented my tambourine playing, and it makes me

1009
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 1: feel good kind of every day.

1010
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 2: Do you reference that just when you need a little glimmer.

1011
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And I feel like occasionally people are condescending

1012
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:44,839
Speaker 1: to women in this industry. I'm sure you felt that occasionally.

1013
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 2: Ouch.

1014
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 1: We felt if somebody's gonna pull that energy on me,

1015
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's her name here. Told me I'm good

1016
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 1: at tamburine, So you can't really tell me that much.

1017
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, you gotta use it when you give it.

1018
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 1: Right, anything really to keep us going truly.

1019
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 2: Okay, Sorry I derailed you again.

1020
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 1: No, we both did. It's good. I like it. Hosier

1021
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 1: happened hoer Okay, I did that twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen.

1022
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 1: Then we had the year of not touring and that

1023
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 1: is a total conversation for another day. And then twenty

1024
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 1: twenty one, late twenty twenty one, kind of getting back

1025
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 1: to things being slightly normalized in the tour space. I

1026
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:25,280
Speaker 1: got an offer from The Killers, which was like dream

1027
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,280
Speaker 1: stuff because like at my core, I'm a rockerly Oh.

1028
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, you couldn't too. You don't have to tell me that,

1029
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 2: you said, between Hosier and the Killers, and we got

1030
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:36,439
Speaker 2: like a folk INDIEBA. Yeah, the Killers are like the

1031
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 2: top of that.

1032
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that was like I was being called to

1033
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:42,840
Speaker 1: do the high part, so I'm like, I got so,

1034
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 1: but I'm not a soda. That was me and I

1035
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 1: got to do that.

1036
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 2: That's crazy.

1037
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:49,839
Speaker 1: It was so fun. It was so fun for a minute,

1038
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 1: and I got to It was the first time I

1039
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 1: worked for an artist where I legit remember buying that

1040
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:58,800
Speaker 1: CD at Target at the separate desk in the media

1041
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: area for myself with my babysitting money. I remember screaming

1042
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 1: that part in my bedroom over and ever and specifically

1043
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 1: that part because I wanted to always be that diva

1044
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 1: chick and then to get to go do it was

1045
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:11,799
Speaker 1: just like, am I real? Is this happening? It was

1046
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 1: so cool. But I will say it is not the

1047
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 1: band's fault whatsoever, but the culture of the tour was

1048
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 1: not right for me, and I quit after two months.

1049
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 1: That was a big quit. Oh wow, big quit, big

1050
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 1: scary quit.

1051
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,760
Speaker 2: Wow. So you didn't even make it the three years

1052
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 2: on that one.

1053
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 1: Not even three months? Girl, Wow. It just wasn't right.

1054
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 1: It just wasn't right. I think it was a mixture

1055
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 1: of coming out of the most stressful time of our

1056
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 1: lives mm hmm. For them and for me personally. It

1057
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 1: was one of those situations. I don't know if you've

1058
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 1: been in this kind of situation, like a room, a job, whatever,

1059
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 1: you walk in and you're like, oh my gosh, mm hmm.

1060
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 1: And if I'm honest, I felt it from the moment

1061
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 1: I got the call that I shouldn't do it. But

1062
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 1: I think that was a moment where hey, I think

1063
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 1: the fear of the last couple of years got in

1064
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 1: of like take whatever comes and be like the love

1065
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: of the band and see just like, you'd be crazy

1066
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 1: to turn this.

1067
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 2: Down, right, Yeah, And I would imagine you'd be hoping

1068
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 2: too that you were wrong. When you're like thinking that,

1069
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 2: you're like, there's no way I've loved this band. This

1070
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:17,879
Speaker 2: is a full circle moment. I'm getting a cool opportunity

1071
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 2: after a really hard time in life. Surely I'm wrong.

1072
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 1: The drummer might tell me I'm a really good tambourine player.

1073
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 1: Don't know. Maybe that happened. Yeah, all of those things,

1074
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 1: But it was for my ego that I wanted to

1075
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: do it. I love the exposure of it, I loved

1076
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:34,320
Speaker 1: how big it was, and I did love the music.

1077
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 1: Do love the music. And actually, one of the things

1078
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 1: I said whenever I quitz. I was like, I do

1079
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 1: not want to ever hate their songs. When they come on,

1080
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go now. And it really I can't say

1081
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 1: this enough. It wasn't the fault of any one person.

1082
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 1: It was just like there was a culture there. I

1083
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 1: could tell I wasn't gonna thrive in again.

1084
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 2: Just I would love to applaud the fact that you're

1085
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 2: just such a good quitter. I want that energy in

1086
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 2: my life.

1087
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: I will also say at the time, I had a

1088
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 1: partner who was really supportive, and he was just like,

1089
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 1: don't do something. It's gonna make you miserable. Well, your

1090
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:05,479
Speaker 1: energy spreads out. He's right, and I'm glad I quit.

1091
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,359
Speaker 1: I got to do it a few times. I got

1092
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 1: to do the thing. It was really enjoyable. But because

1093
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 1: I was free, I guess it was. Let's see, I

1094
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 1: was doing a lot of work with Jake Wesley Roders

1095
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 1: next year, and then that early that next summer I

1096
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 1: quit at the end of that. I quit the end

1097
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 1: of twenty one with The Killers, twenty two doing some work,

1098
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:32,439
Speaker 1: just doing my freelance thing. We're all getting back music

1099
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:36,240
Speaker 1: industry sounds back out who. I got a call from

1100
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:41,800
Speaker 1: his music director about two hours before he called. My friend,

1101
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 1: who was at the time music director for Eric Church

1102
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 1: calls and he's like, hey, I think like Joanne is

1103
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 1: not going to come out with us this summer, and

1104
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 1: Lyric's gonna call you and hire you. And I was like, what.

1105
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:57,799
Speaker 2: And you have a brief moment in time to just.

1106
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 1: And you were in the industry, you understand Joanna like

1107
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:04,720
Speaker 1: she was Eric's background singer for more than a decade,

1108
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 1: was a heavily featured sound in his music. I mean,

1109
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 1: phenomenal singer, powerhouse performer, terrifying. I love her. I'm so

1110
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 1: grateful I've gotten to meet her and hang out with

1111
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:19,840
Speaker 1: her some. But yeah, I'm being called to like basically

1112
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 1: fill like a character role. I was just like, oh, okay.

1113
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 1: And then Eric called me two hours later and it

1114
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 1: was on. And I had eight days of notice to

1115
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 1: learn a three hour gig wow, which if I had

1116
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 1: been real tied up on something else, if I hadn't

1117
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 1: been quitting, I would have. Let's be real. I was panicked.

1118
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 1: I was in the middle of other gigs, but I

1119
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 1: got it done. And that was when I was so

1120
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 1: grateful I wasn't in the middle of a gig that

1121
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:47,799
Speaker 1: I couldn't get out of. I was like, hell, yeah,

1122
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 1: I want to do this. This is like peak country

1123
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:53,320
Speaker 1: gig for me. It's a screamer. Yeah, it's really cool music.

1124
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 1: Eric himself is a really classy person. I love his

1125
00:50:56,560 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 1: camp and it was just crazy.

1126
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:02,319
Speaker 2: To I wanted to join him at such a point

1127
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:06,280
Speaker 2: in his career where he just had a plethora of music.

1128
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 2: He truly he was choosing. He had a three hour

1129
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:11,919
Speaker 2: set and he was still choosing what he was leaving off.

1130
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah.

1131
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:14,360
Speaker 2: It is a cool place to be into.

1132
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 1: And he's calling you twenty minutes before the gig ad

1133
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 1: and the song we Love Him. Oh my gosh. If

1134
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 1: he ever popped up on my phone, I was like,

1135
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 1: oh my god. Because it was always just you want

1136
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:25,360
Speaker 1: to do something crazy last minute. I'm like, yeah, okay.

1137
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 1: He'll look at you on stage the middle of a

1138
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 1: song and be like take a burse, and you're like,

1139
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 1: what need and You're off. But I love that. I

1140
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 1: love being on my toes. We got along great after

1141
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 1: that year. Had some personal At the time, I was

1142
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 1: romantically involved with him in the Hosier camp and he

1143
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 1: had gone through some pretty serious stuff and so when

1144
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:48,840
Speaker 1: that tour came back up for the third record, he

1145
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 1: asked me to come back, and so I had to

1146
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 1: leave Eric and did so in such a lovely fashion.

1147
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 1: We were like see you. And I credit that whole

1148
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 1: camp for being reason. Sometimes people get upset when you

1149
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:04,359
Speaker 1: have to leave, and I understand that too, but they

1150
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 1: were so kind to me and understood the reasons I

1151
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 1: was doing what I was doing. So I did another

1152
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 1: year of Hozier in twenty three, so kind of like

1153
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 1: from like rock country way back to Irish pop world,

1154
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 1: and then left that at the end of twenty three

1155
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 1: for good. And I remember, you never believe someone. But

1156
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 1: I called Eric to quit because he called me to

1157
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 1: hire me, and I really appreciated that. So I called in.

1158
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 1: We talked and he's like, oh, right, girl, you can

1159
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 1: leave for a little while. We'll see you again, though,

1160
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:36,319
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, you're so nice. You're so nice.

1161
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 2: But if he didn't know you, he didn't know your rule.

1162
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:40,879
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, but it hadn't been it hadn't

1163
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:43,799
Speaker 1: even been a year. We were still safe, that's true. Still,

1164
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 1: so we had to go another round, girl, But I

1165
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 1: was like, you're not gonna call me like okay, he

1166
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:52,720
Speaker 1: totally did. Beginning at twenty four, I'm sitting at home

1167
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:54,759
Speaker 1: or in a therapy zone, like it's when you're out

1168
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 1: on the road a lot. Like twenty three, we're just

1169
00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 1: never home. You're on the road a lot. You just

1170
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:01,479
Speaker 1: need their pay for something. When you come home.

1171
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're just readjusting getting back to normal life.

1172
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it can be so many things, but it's

1173
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 1: an associative experience. Out there, you're not living your normal life,

1174
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 1: so there's a lot to process. So it's going to

1175
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 1: come home mode. And that February I got a call

1176
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 1: from Eric and once again his music director, and they

1177
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 1: were like, hey, we have this idea to do this

1178
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 1: choir thing at stage. So then I'm like me and

1179
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 1: his music director put together that legendary performance and that's

1180
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 1: the first thing I did back, which was just crazy.

1181
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 1: But in the middle of that, so I'm arranging all

1182
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 1: the choral parts, working with Eric and with Billy, his

1183
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 1: music director on that, and that is so fun for

1184
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 1: me because I'm combining my like weird classical brain with

1185
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 1: my like love of gospel music brain with country sensibility. Yeah,

1186
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:55,279
Speaker 1: that was like such a fun use and honestly a

1187
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 1: leadership position I was terrified to take at first. I

1188
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 1: was like, why do you want me to do this?

1189
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 1: I don't have a lot of experience a choir. Sure, right, right,

1190
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 1: And I will say the first couple of rehearsals we

1191
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:09,919
Speaker 1: had for things I do remember some of my friends

1192
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 1: were like, oh my gosh, you're just a nerdy choir teacher.

1193
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 1: Everything makes sense, like you have been putting all these

1194
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:17,880
Speaker 1: like cool rock star looking rules, but like you're just

1195
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:19,839
Speaker 1: a little nerd. I'm like, yeah, just a nerd.

1196
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:22,800
Speaker 2: This old time you basically came singing out of the womb.

1197
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 2: If anybody knew that part of your story, I'd be like, okay, yeah,

1198
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 2: this tracks, yes maybe.

1199
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 1: And I was an every choir. I was an every

1200
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 1: choir that there's ever been. So it was just so

1201
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 1: fun to step into that role. And that snowballed into

1202
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 1: doing a ton of events. And I'm sure I saw

1203
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:38,240
Speaker 1: you at one of those.

1204
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:39,919
Speaker 2: I'm sure.

1205
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 1: I don't know how much I'm allowed to talk about that,

1206
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 1: but there were a lot of events and I brought

1207
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 1: a forty piece choir into each of them, thirty three

1208
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 1: events over the course of the year.

1209
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:49,440
Speaker 2: Wow. So it was all spun off of that particular

1210
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 2: Stage Coach situation.

1211
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:55,759
Speaker 1: But then in the middle of that, I am at

1212
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:58,479
Speaker 1: rehearsals with our choir getting ready for Stage Coach, which

1213
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:02,799
Speaker 1: for reference, we were doing a fifty minute medley of

1214
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:06,840
Speaker 1: just Eric on guitar and vocals. It was an incredible

1215
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:09,759
Speaker 1: undertaking for the choir and for us, and I'm so

1216
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 1: proud of every individual that contributed that performance. It was

1217
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 1: a beast. But I got a call during rehearsal one

1218
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:18,399
Speaker 1: of the days and it was like.

1219
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:22,880
Speaker 2: Hey, you have so many odd phone calls, is what

1220
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:24,239
Speaker 2: I'm realizing a lot of them.

1221
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 1: It could really be anything, the kinds of things that

1222
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 1: I have to be like, Okay.

1223
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 2: You probably are so used to answering abnormal phone numbers, Yes,

1224
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 2: because you have to.

1225
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:36,280
Speaker 1: If it says no caller, ID, I should answer.

1226
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 2: Really most of them call without the phone number, that

1227
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 2: makes sense.

1228
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:42,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, So I get one of these phone calls,

1229
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:44,840
Speaker 1: and this one it was from a person I know,

1230
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 1: to be fair, but it's hey, so stage coaches this weekend.

1231
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 1: Definitely know that, Yes, I do know that. And Post

1232
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:55,800
Speaker 1: Malone is going to do a surprise set on Saturday

1233
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:58,839
Speaker 1: night now, and we need a background singer that can

1234
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 1: come in and learn songs with no time. Could you

1235
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 1: do it? I was like, almost certainly not. I got

1236
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:07,839
Speaker 1: these days of rehearsal with Eric, and then I had

1237
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:09,840
Speaker 1: two days off, and then I've got to we have

1238
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:11,919
Speaker 1: a sound check day with Eric's festival. That's kind of rare.

1239
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 1: I got to get out to Indio early, all this stuff,

1240
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 1: and it turns out that I have exactly three days

1241
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 1: to work with over the course of a week, and

1242
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 1: that is exactly the three days they need.

1243
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:23,920
Speaker 2: Wow.

1244
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 1: And so you said, yes, yeah, but that's a life changing,

1245
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:29,920
Speaker 1: career changing Yes.

1246
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1247
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 1: I had no idea. Nobody knew if he was actually

1248
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 1: going to put out a record of being country music.

1249
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 1: At that point, he knew he was making the record

1250
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:39,839
Speaker 1: that wasn't publicly known, and I was just like, I'll

1251
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 1: do this one off. That's a once in a lifetime

1252
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:43,319
Speaker 1: to work with a pop artist that big. I'd never

1253
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:45,759
Speaker 1: gotten to work with a pop artist that big. I

1254
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:48,359
Speaker 1: was like, you know what, Oh, that was it? Which

1255
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 1: was an insane choice. I admit. There was one of

1256
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:53,279
Speaker 1: the days that week that I was trying to like

1257
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 1: rehearse something with the I peeled someone off from my

1258
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 1: choir Jeremy Lester was talking about earlier. Peeled him off

1259
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 1: to come do the one off with me with Posts

1260
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:01,759
Speaker 1: as well, because I was like, you're already going to

1261
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 1: be there. And there was a day we were trying

1262
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 1: to rehearse the two of us and catch up, and

1263
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 1: I looked at him and I was like, I have

1264
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:11,280
Speaker 1: found the end of my brain, Like this has never happened.

1265
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 1: I have to go lay down and sleep right now.

1266
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 1: There is no way I can communicate.

1267
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 2: You were a complete much just after that actual.

1268
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 1: Death, but I swear whatever thing supports you in this world.

1269
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 1: I got on stage, we did the Eric thing. That

1270
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 1: was incredibly weird and emotional, of course, but then the

1271
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 1: very next day I had to wake up and be like, okay,

1272
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 1: let's do the boss below and set. Now that we

1273
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 1: got songs four four days ago.

1274
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 2: And then I'm assuming that's what Snowball been to this job.

1275
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 2: I think right now, yes.

1276
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 1: We did that, And then a little bit a few

1277
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 1: months later we did the ACMs.

1278
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 2: Is that right? No?

1279
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:49,919
Speaker 1: A few weeks later we did the ACMs. I'm gonna

1280
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 1: get this right. But then by the fall they were

1281
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 1: looking to put together a band for the tour, and

1282
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 1: at that point, I was doing all these contracting choir

1283
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 1: gigs for Eric, and it was a very difficult decision,

1284
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 1: but I was in a space where I just I

1285
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 1: knew if I went on the Eric tour, which is

1286
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 1: out right now, it's a fabulous tour. The Machine Tour

1287
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 1: has a choir, strings, horns, and I did get to

1288
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 1: be involved in the record and lead the choir on

1289
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 1: that record, which is awesome. And be real with you,

1290
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 1: I was so excited to meet Jay Joyce. He's like

1291
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 1: one of my musical heroes. Oh wow, he's the producer.

1292
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 1: So he has produced like a lot of Eric's music

1293
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 1: over the years, almost all of it that you would

1294
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 1: probably know it. Yes, brothers Osbourne Laney. He does just

1295
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 1: a lot of the weird little big tone records, like

1296
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:41,680
Speaker 1: the Pontoons productions, just kind of weird, yes, one hundred percent.

1297
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 1: And he's just got a brilliant mind that I really respect.

1298
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 1: So I was to get in there for that. But

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Speaker 1: at the end of the day, I started considering what's

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00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 1: going to make my energy spread out and be really

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00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 1: good and leadership roles. As much as I do think

1302
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 1: I have a lot of the skills that are good

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00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:00,040
Speaker 1: for that, I thrive with a little more freedom. So

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00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 1: I was like, you know what the posty gig, all

1305
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 1: I have to do is go and like goof off. Literally.

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00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:11,480
Speaker 2: True, it's so funny because you have such an inside view.

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00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 2: But I'm not here to talk about those because there's

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00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 2: a lot of things you can't talk about, of course.

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00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:20,480
Speaker 2: But two, it's so cool to look at you and

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00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 2: see your experience from a different viewpoint, right because we

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00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 2: get the story of theirs. We know the stories behind

1312
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 2: the songs, and we know the stories of where they're

1313
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 2: at and the pictures and everything. But for somebody who's

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00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 2: very involved, but it's, for lack of a better word.

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Speaker 1: Background, Oh for sure, no choosing love it.

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00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:44,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the background. But you have such a unique

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00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:47,480
Speaker 2: perspective that we often don't get to hear or see about.

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00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, you like nobody would think about the person who's

1319
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:52,840
Speaker 1: pingponging around doing all that. You just watch the show

1320
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 1: and you're like, eh.

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00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:56,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're really thinking that the artist is in

1322
00:59:57,040 --> 00:59:59,840
Speaker 2: some cases they are, but that the artists themselves is

1323
00:59:59,840 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 2: a one who puts everything together and does all you

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01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 2: know what I mean. The typical person who's listening to music,

1325
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Speaker 2: you're not seeing all the other sides.

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Speaker 1: No, and I'm such a small piece of that. Like

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01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 1: the post tour that we did in the fall, which

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Speaker 1: was sorry in the spring of last year, which was US,

1329
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:21,919
Speaker 1: Jelly Roll and Sierra Ferrell I think with everyone out,

1330
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:25,720
Speaker 1: like all the tour buses, all the staff of traveling tour,

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01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:28,600
Speaker 1: not the venue people because we're doing stadiums, that's like

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01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:31,880
Speaker 1: a thousand more people just of us, I think is

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Speaker 1: like almost two hundred and fifty staff.

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Speaker 2: That is insane.

1335
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 1: You're walking around, you don't know everybody at work. There's

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Speaker 1: no way I really try.

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01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:42,320
Speaker 2: You're like, and this is why you don't say for

1338
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 2: very long because the energy would be gone.

1339
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 1: Do you know his name? I'm like, oh, Pancho, he's

1340
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:51,240
Speaker 1: from blah blah blah. You're best friends. He's from Venezuela.

1341
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 1: We speak Spanish together. I try so hard, but it

1342
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:54,640
Speaker 1: is impossible, yes.

1343
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:56,400
Speaker 2: Our guests to know all of them. And that's who

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01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 2: you are. And okay, so I have to ask this

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01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 2: before we end, because you had made this comment and

1346
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:03,240
Speaker 2: you're like, I'm off the road for a few months,

1347
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:06,920
Speaker 2: so now I gotta find a boyfriend. So I imagine

1348
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:10,640
Speaker 2: in general that real life outside of the tour is

1349
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:13,360
Speaker 2: just difficult. It's harder to adapt to and you just

1350
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:17,040
Speaker 2: you have your gap years where you can get adjusted

1351
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:20,640
Speaker 2: back to things, but the constant bouncing back and forth

1352
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:21,720
Speaker 2: has to be difficult.

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01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:25,680
Speaker 1: Yes, And I will say this, I have obviously toured

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01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:27,640
Speaker 1: a lot, and I have also had partners that are

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01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:31,120
Speaker 1: touring when I'm not, And it is without question harder

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01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 1: to be home. It is without question harder to be

1357
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:38,240
Speaker 1: left when your partner leaves. There's a hole in your

1358
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:40,840
Speaker 1: life where they go. When I leave, I'm met with

1359
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:44,400
Speaker 1: like absolute chaos, and I'm just like, how could I

1360
01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:47,480
Speaker 1: There's not like a place where my partner fits out here.

1361
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:49,800
Speaker 1: In fact, often when they come out, that's also a

1362
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 1: difficulty of figuring out where they can fit out there.

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01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:55,320
Speaker 2: And yeah, so like visiting each other is also difficult.

1364
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:57,400
Speaker 1: Right because you're at work and you have to always

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01:01:57,400 --> 01:01:59,240
Speaker 1: tell my family this when they visit me on the road,

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01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:02,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, I don't ask to come to your meetings,

1367
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:05,880
Speaker 1: like respect that I wanted a little space here, that

1368
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:08,040
Speaker 1: I'm at work, that there's sensitive relationships. I don't need

1369
01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:11,240
Speaker 1: you guys run around backstage half drunk, not that my

1370
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:12,640
Speaker 1: family's like that. But you know what I mean, Like,

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01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:17,680
Speaker 1: I fear that it's a high sensitivity environment in a

1372
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:20,600
Speaker 1: high privacy environment is what I consider too. I really

1373
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:23,480
Speaker 1: protect the privacy of those I work around because they

1374
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:26,240
Speaker 1: have enough exposure. Yes, one of my rules I don't

1375
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:28,439
Speaker 1: google you once I met you. I think that's mean

1376
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:30,440
Speaker 1: you don't get to google me and know everything that

1377
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:32,040
Speaker 1: I did. That was stupid. I'm not going to google

1378
01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:32,439
Speaker 1: you either.

1379
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:33,720
Speaker 2: I love that.

1380
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:34,560
Speaker 1: I think it's fair.

1381
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:36,600
Speaker 2: And then you'll get to you are. Yeah, you get

1382
01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:38,120
Speaker 2: to know them for exactly who they are.

1383
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 1: Most of this fazzy headlines are probably from ten years ago.

1384
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:43,440
Speaker 2: Anyway, mm hmm. That was very much how my fiance

1385
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:44,439
Speaker 2: was when we first met.

1386
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:46,880
Speaker 1: Hot Yeah can I say his name?

1387
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:50,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can say yeah. He was like, we had

1388
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:51,960
Speaker 2: met and I only told him. I was like, I

1389
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:53,560
Speaker 2: work in radio and that was all I said. That's

1390
01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:56,560
Speaker 2: typically what I say. And he was like okay, and

1391
01:02:56,960 --> 01:02:59,960
Speaker 2: he looked me up once and he was like, Okay,

1392
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:02,400
Speaker 2: there's a lot of fancy pictures. I'm just gonna exit

1393
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:05,160
Speaker 2: out of that and tell me the story.

1394
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:07,360
Speaker 1: That's he wanted to get to know you, not who

1395
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:10,000
Speaker 1: people think you are. Exactly to present to the world,

1396
01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:13,920
Speaker 1: which is always gonna be part of it. But that said,

1397
01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:18,520
Speaker 1: dating is harder and harder, if I'm honest, the more

1398
01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:20,320
Speaker 1: successful I get, I feel like age actually is not

1399
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:24,880
Speaker 1: even the major impact. It is occasionally a sense of

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01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:28,800
Speaker 1: insecurity for men that I have the exposure that I do,

1401
01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:32,360
Speaker 1: I think, and it is a hard lifestyle to commit to. Yeah,

1402
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:34,960
Speaker 1: it's a hard lifestyle to be like, I'm gonna leave

1403
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:37,360
Speaker 1: in mid May and I'm gonna be gone. I might

1404
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:39,360
Speaker 1: get to come home once or twice for like a day,

1405
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:41,320
Speaker 1: but be gone for two months.

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01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:44,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, a different lifestyle than a lot of them are

1407
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:45,640
Speaker 2: used to or accustomed to.

1408
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:49,080
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. And then the added layers of security

1409
01:03:49,160 --> 01:03:52,520
Speaker 1: or insecurity. I do live on a bus with one woman,

1410
01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:56,960
Speaker 1: one woman and eight men, and that, of course can

1411
01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:59,280
Speaker 1: feel a certain kind of way. I don't discredit that

1412
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:03,440
Speaker 1: at all. Oh that's hard, but I have to go

1413
01:04:03,560 --> 01:04:05,920
Speaker 1: do it, and I do love it, and I know

1414
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:09,080
Speaker 1: that I'm not into any of those I'm not into

1415
01:04:09,120 --> 01:04:10,000
Speaker 1: any of those men.

1416
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:12,960
Speaker 2: And you should not have to stop doing something you

1417
01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:14,160
Speaker 2: love just so you can have.

1418
01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:16,360
Speaker 1: Both, of course, and we find this all the time.

1419
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:18,920
Speaker 1: But I do think I'm a pretty sweet and peaceful

1420
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:20,960
Speaker 1: energy too, but I do have that we'll get it

1421
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:23,440
Speaker 1: done kind of woman thing going as well, and I

1422
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:26,280
Speaker 1: think that can be I hate it because you're like,

1423
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:28,680
Speaker 1: I'm sure like everybody's mom said this to them at

1424
01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:31,280
Speaker 1: some point. Boys are just intimidated by you. It's not

1425
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:33,360
Speaker 1: that they don't like you. And it's so.

1426
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:36,120
Speaker 2: Actually true, right, Oh, it's terribly true.

1427
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:38,760
Speaker 1: It I hate that it's true. I hate that I

1428
01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:41,640
Speaker 1: feel that way. I hate that it sounds so narcissistic

1429
01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:45,800
Speaker 1: to say, but it comes up in most dating scenarios.

1430
01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:48,520
Speaker 1: You're doing this and I'm doing this. I'm like, but

1431
01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:50,280
Speaker 1: we're not meant to be compared. I just need you

1432
01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:50,880
Speaker 1: to be cool.

1433
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:54,080
Speaker 2: The data is there, the data is pointing to a

1434
01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:56,280
Speaker 2: certain direction, and we just have to follow the data.

1435
01:04:56,560 --> 01:04:58,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, And I'm like, I don't need your career

1436
01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:00,440
Speaker 1: to look like mine. I don't want your to look

1437
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:02,880
Speaker 1: like mine necessarily. I just want to hang out. I

1438
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:06,120
Speaker 1: just want to hang out, Nashville.

1439
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:09,160
Speaker 2: There's your self promotion that we just found.

1440
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:13,760
Speaker 1: All right, this is the plug. The plug is I'm insane.

1441
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:15,560
Speaker 2: Don't start with I'm insane.

1442
01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:17,120
Speaker 1: You were not inside like fun insane.

1443
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:19,080
Speaker 2: You're chaos. You're a beautiful chaos.

1444
01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:21,640
Speaker 1: Thank you. I do consider myself chaotic neutral and you

1445
01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:23,600
Speaker 1: know what, while we're in confessions mode, I play Dungeons

1446
01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:25,800
Speaker 1: and Dragons every Monday. If that's a deal breaker, don't

1447
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:27,959
Speaker 1: worry about it. But I do play with cool music

1448
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:28,760
Speaker 1: industry people.

1449
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:30,160
Speaker 2: We need to find you a nerd.

1450
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:33,360
Speaker 1: Uh, duh, that's all I can date. I need a

1451
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:34,120
Speaker 1: good old nerd.

1452
01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:36,040
Speaker 2: You do. The nerds are the best anyway.

1453
01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:37,400
Speaker 1: Give me a tasty little nerd.

1454
01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:40,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, that's it. So we're looking for Kristen. This

1455
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:41,600
Speaker 2: is her self promotion.

1456
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:44,720
Speaker 1: I'm thirty eight years old, I'm well established, and I'm

1457
01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:46,840
Speaker 1: just looking for a little dork to delight me.

1458
01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:50,320
Speaker 2: Dark to delight me is my new headline.

1459
01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:52,960
Speaker 1: By the time this comes out of maybe like mayried,

1460
01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:55,360
Speaker 1: something's gonna happen. It's gonna be totally moot that I

1461
01:05:55,360 --> 01:05:55,800
Speaker 1: even said this.

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01:05:57,160 --> 01:05:59,080
Speaker 2: That'll be within the next month. So if you get

1463
01:05:59,080 --> 01:06:00,240
Speaker 2: married in the next month, I'm to.

1464
01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:04,200
Speaker 1: Be so proud girl. You're invited to be there.

1465
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:07,080
Speaker 2: Okay, I've kept you for so long, not at all.

1466
01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:08,080
Speaker 1: This has been wonderful.

1467
01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:09,720
Speaker 2: We need to end on. This is what I love

1468
01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:11,600
Speaker 2: to end on. Is it's a piece of advice or

1469
01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:14,200
Speaker 2: motivation or inspiration or anything that's kind of heavy on

1470
01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:15,760
Speaker 2: your heart that you want to share. I give the

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01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:19,000
Speaker 2: floor over to you, and you end us out on something.

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01:06:20,040 --> 01:06:23,240
Speaker 1: Thank you. You're like, dang it, no, I actually do

1473
01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:26,920
Speaker 1: have something present to mind. I can't help but think

1474
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:30,640
Speaker 1: constantly about what a difficult time this is just in

1475
01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:34,640
Speaker 1: our timeline. Humans are always gonna have personal things going

1476
01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:37,840
Speaker 1: on there difficult. But beyond that the world is obviously struggling,

1477
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:41,560
Speaker 1: and it's very collective and pretty regardless of what you believe,

1478
01:06:41,600 --> 01:06:44,240
Speaker 1: this is pretty rough right now, just the collective and

1479
01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:48,760
Speaker 1: I shall know, remind everybody the only experience you have

1480
01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:52,400
Speaker 1: is your own. Take care of yourself, take care of

1481
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:54,960
Speaker 1: your nervous system, and remember what you can do something

1482
01:06:54,960 --> 01:07:00,440
Speaker 1: about and if you can't, it's not about feeling powerless,

1483
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:05,080
Speaker 1: but about feeling grace and maybe not sitting in misery

1484
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:06,120
Speaker 1: that is pointless.

1485
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:10,320
Speaker 2: I love you guys. Oh that was a good one.

1486
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:14,920
Speaker 2: Work that I liked that one. Yeah, you got that energy.

1487
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:17,760
Speaker 2: That's a perfect place for us to end on. Kristin,

1488
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:19,680
Speaker 2: thank you for joining me, thank you for having me,

1489
01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:22,720
Speaker 2: Thanks for sharing everything. I loved it.

1490
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:24,959
Speaker 1: I got just on the edge of what I can say.

1491
01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:28,040
Speaker 2: It did good, perfect. You're not gonna get sued.

1492
01:07:29,840 --> 01:07:31,880
Speaker 1: That's because I didn't say any of my real opinions.

1493
01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:32,760
Speaker 1: We got to turn this off.

1494
01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:35,560
Speaker 2: If you want to follow along Kristin's journey, she's on Instagram.

1495
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:38,240
Speaker 2: All linker page in the show notes because as you heard,

1496
01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:40,640
Speaker 2: you'll want to follow along on all her adventures. Get

1497
01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:43,400
Speaker 2: subscribed to the podcast that way you don't miss an episode.

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01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:45,800
Speaker 2: Next week, my fiance will be coming on for a

1499
01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:49,160
Speaker 2: one off to talk all things wedding, planning and relationships.

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01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:51,720
Speaker 2: Hit up the podcast instagram at take this personally if

1501
01:07:51,720 --> 01:07:54,680
Speaker 2: you want us to answer any specific questions. Otherwise, I'm

1502
01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:57,320
Speaker 2: so happy that you're here. Thanks for listening to the podcast,

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01:07:57,400 --> 01:07:59,280
Speaker 2: and I'll yap with you guys next week