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Speaker 1: of people like yourself that helped. You know what else,

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Speaker 1: Phil You know why bad or evil or crime or

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Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it. You know why it wins.

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Speaker 1: It wins because we become complacent and we're we're just

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Speaker 1: you know that, Devin, happy, We just go about our

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Speaker 1: and thinking what can I do about it? What can

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Speaker 1: I do today to make a difference, and you have

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Speaker 1: given us something we can do to affect change, and

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Speaker 1: I want to thank you for that. Everyone, you please

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Speaker 1: help us bring about change may result God willing and

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Speaker 1: apprehending the killer of this gorgeous young girl. Her father's

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Speaker 1: heart is broken, her mother's heart is broken. The only

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Speaker 1: thing we can do for Karina Pvatronto now is seek justice.

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Speaker 1: I am continuing to cover this on Crime online dot

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Speaker 1: com and we will be back, but Phil PA Toronto,

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Speaker 1: as this date nears, this crucial date of February ten,

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Speaker 1: Phil the Toronto, thank you and to everyone listening right now,

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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. Nancy Grace signing off,

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Speaker 1: goodbye friend,