1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast. 2 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: Chris Harrison coming to you from the home office in Austin, Texas. 3 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: I could not be more excited for my guest today 4 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 1: on the show. He is a friend but also one 5 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: of the most talented human beings I know. He was 6 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: part of maybe my favorite country band ever, Rascal Flats, 7 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: And I think that's fair to say. You know, I'm 8 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 1: a George straight guy, so George stra would be my 9 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:35,839 Speaker 1: favorite artist ever, but for Rascal Flats easily one of 10 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: my favorite bands ever. And Jada Marcus was a huge 11 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 1: part of that, along with Jodahn and Gary. And when 12 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 1: I started getting ready for this podcast, and I started 13 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: going back over the numbers, and obviously I know these guys, 14 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 1: and I knew Rascal Flats was successful. But when I 15 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: look back and they had seventeen number one hits, thirty 16 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: three million albums, sold, more than forty trophies from Grammys 17 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 1: to cmas Amas, you name it, People's Choice Awards. They 18 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 1: accomplished it all over a two decade run, and then 19 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: right around the pandemic, right around the time that they 20 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:20,039 Speaker 1: had just announced that they were going to do kind 21 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: of a farewell tour and take a break for some 22 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:28,040 Speaker 1: personal reasons that I also want to ask Jay about. 23 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: It was over and they were gone. Obviously, everything was 24 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 1: swept up by the pandemic and touring and life on 25 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 1: the road. All that came to an end for all musicians. 26 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: But for Rascal Flats it happened at such an inopportune 27 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: time because they were already in turmoil, They were having 28 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 1: trouble and as they of course, they were kind of 29 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: doing a farewell tour, so that means things were coming 30 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:56,639 Speaker 1: to an end in their mind. What has happened since 31 00:01:56,680 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 1: then and what happened in that moment been shrouded in mystery, 32 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 1: and no one has really ever talked about it. I 33 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: haven't heard Jodns speak about it. I haven't heard Jada 34 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 1: Marcus speak about it, or Gary. So I am very 35 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: curious what happened to one of the most famous bands 36 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 1: in the history of not just country music but music 37 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: in general, that they just disappeared and haven't been seen 38 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: from again. So I am so grateful for my friend 39 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:30,640 Speaker 1: Jada Marcus to come on the show today. Jada Marcus 40 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 1: joins me from what appears to be his sound studio 41 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 1: office in Nashville, and where are you. 42 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 2: This is my office at Red Street Records. 43 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 1: Red Street Records. Well, I guess that's where we have 44 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 1: to jump off right there. What is Red Street Records? 45 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 1: You started a label of your own? 46 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 3: I did so, you know, when Rascal Flats was stored. 47 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 3: Winding down our touring career, I always knew that I 48 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 3: wanted to be on the business side of the music 49 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 3: business at some point, so I started out with a 50 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:03,360 Speaker 3: little Christian label in twenty eighteen called Reread Street Records. 51 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 2: Signed a couple of buddies of mine. 52 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 3: That I knew were already in the industry, and I 53 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 3: first of all wanted to see if it was something 54 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 3: that I enjoyed doing and whether I had a knack 55 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:14,920 Speaker 3: for it or not. And found out very quickly that 56 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 3: it was very rewarding to kind of pass on whatever 57 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 3: I'd learned in the music business to younger artists and 58 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 3: kind of passed the baton that way. And then as 59 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 3: we started to grow and we had more and more success, 60 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 3: the Pandemic hit sort of canceled our Rascal Flats farewell 61 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 3: to that we had on the books, and I found 62 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 3: a business partner that has been amazing. 63 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 2: He came alongside me and. 64 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 3: Sort of bankrolled the whole thing, and we started a 65 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 3: country label. Now we have four country artists for Christian artists. 66 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 3: So it's been a really fun thing to watch grow 67 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 3: and to build it. It's been really, really, very rewarding. 68 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 1: My favorite business partners are those that'll come in at 69 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: bank roll the whole thing. Yeah, those are the good ones. 70 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 2: Always better to use someone else's money. 71 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 1: I've heard you mentioned kind of pre Pandemic and Rascal 72 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: Flats and you guys were about to go out on 73 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: tour and I was going to come see you guys, 74 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 1: and we had plans to meet up. Last time I 75 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 1: saw you it was twenty nineteen, again in person the 76 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: last time. We've texted several times, but last time I 77 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:16,480 Speaker 1: think we were at the on that trip with Rob Wriggle. Yeah, 78 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: up in what month? Were we in Montana? What we 79 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: were on like a dude ranch? 80 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:26,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I wasn't or Wyoming, Wyoming. 81 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 1: I think I think you're right. I think we're in Wyom. 82 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:28,719 Speaker 2: Yeah. 83 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 1: Rob Wriggle had some deal with some ranch. We stayed 84 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 1: at some hotel. We went fly fishing and horseback riding 85 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: and played golf and we had a hell of a time. 86 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: It was a great crew and you, me and Rob, 87 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:41,359 Speaker 1: you know, stayed up and had a few cocktails and 88 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 1: shared stories. 89 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 2: For a while, we've been known to do that at 90 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:46,720 Speaker 2: the time with you. Sure, No, that was great. 91 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:48,280 Speaker 3: That was such a great time. I think he's going 92 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 3: to bring that back this year, so I hope to 93 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 3: see you there too. The wild West Shootout, you know, Uh, 94 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 3: that was it was an absolute blast. 95 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:58,599 Speaker 1: We had a good crew. And uh, I'll be playing 96 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: in Tahoe this year too, so I'll see him at Oh. 97 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 2: I love that. 98 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 1: It's American Century Classic, you guys. You know, it's funny, 99 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:08,159 Speaker 1: full circle moment. The first time I saw you guys 100 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 1: in concert is Rascal Flats would always play the week 101 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:15,160 Speaker 1: of the American Century Classic there in Tahoe. It usually is, 102 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 1: I think in July, early July is and that's where 103 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 1: I first saw you guys. I think it was before 104 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: I even met you. 105 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:24,919 Speaker 2: It probably was, I remember that. And that's before I 106 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 2: even played in the tournament. 107 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 3: Because we used to do Friday and Saturday night out there, 108 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:30,720 Speaker 3: and it was I would watch jod On and he 109 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 3: would just be exhausted, drag him through the weekend so 110 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 3: I didn't actually start playing in the tournament until after 111 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 3: week had didn't play there anymore. 112 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 2: So it's fun now to just kind of go. 113 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 3: And we do something really fun on Thursday Night now too, 114 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 3: as we host Celebrity Karaoke Night, which is really fun. 115 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:49,600 Speaker 2: You got to get up and sing a song with us. 116 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: So this is obviously a huge NBC event, and I'm excited. 117 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:55,479 Speaker 1: I'm very honored that I got invited this year, and 118 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:57,720 Speaker 1: I one hundred percent will be there because I have 119 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 1: heard it is the best event, best celebrity golf event. 120 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:03,720 Speaker 1: And I played in the AT and T Peble Beach 121 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: program ironically with Jodn Rooney. Joe Don and I were 122 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 1: in the same group with Wyndam Clark and Jason Day 123 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 1: and so Joe Don and I would always play together. 124 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 1: But coming to Tahoe, come to the America's Century, and 125 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: I've heard about Thursday Night Celebrity Karaoke. I will not 126 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: be a part of this, but I can't wait to 127 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:24,039 Speaker 1: see it. 128 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 2: But maybe we can make you a celebrity judge, your 129 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 2: guest celebrity judge. 130 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 1: How about that. Here's the thing. You got a guy 131 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 1: like Alfonso Roberto, right, and I think it's bullsh that 132 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 1: he's a part of it because he's good. He's I know, 133 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 1: he's not technically a singer, but the dude can sing. 134 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:40,039 Speaker 1: So he's gonna put everybody to shame. 135 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 3: Well, you know, we've we've made a rule to where 136 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:46,279 Speaker 3: he can't win it anymore because yeah, so he's kind 137 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 3: of just up there for fun. 138 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 1: Now there should be a category of too talented. That's Alfonso. 139 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 1: He can dance, he can sing, so you can't compete 140 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 1: with that. 141 00:06:55,600 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 3: No, no, obviously a professional and yeah, and be in 142 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 3: the contest. 143 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 2: He knows that though. That's why we do a couple 144 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 2: of songs with him. 145 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 1: So here my relation ship with with Rascal Flats is 146 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 1: very interesting. First and foremost the biggest fan of the 147 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 1: world as most people are, and it is I'll say 148 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 1: Rascal Flats is one of those bands when you know 149 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: those bands where you're like, I think I know some 150 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 1: of their songs, Like I think I know a few 151 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: for sure, and then you go to a concert and 152 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 1: you realize there's thirty Rascal Flat songs you know by heart. 153 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: I'm gonna put you guys, and I don't know if 154 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: this is fair. I'm gonna also throw out the Goo 155 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: Goo Dolls. That's another one of those bands where I'm like, yeah, 156 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 1: I probably know some Goo Goo Doll songs. I'm like, 157 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 1: holy crap, I just sang every song at your concert, 158 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: are you know? Word by word from my heart? And 159 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 1: so that fandom really misses you guys. And we missed 160 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 1: the the final tour, the farewell tour. 161 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, I appreciate that. Man, first of all, such kind words, 162 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 3: Thank you so much. I appreciate that. You know, nobody 163 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 3: misses it more than we do. We feel like we 164 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 3: were robbed. I was telling somebody the other day. One 165 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 3: of the things that's been the hardest to get over 166 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 3: was in twenty twenty, we had this farewell tour lined 167 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 3: out to do. We were all kind of burned out 168 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 3: because we've been together twenty two years and we'd never 169 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 3: had a real break. So we were at that point 170 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 3: to where we loved each other, but we looked at 171 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 3: each other we were like, at some point we got 172 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 3: to take a little time for ourselves and do some 173 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 3: things that we hadn't had a chance to do individually 174 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 3: up to that point. So when we were I never 175 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 3: will forget this, we were playing a casino in New 176 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 3: Jersey and the pandemic had just started to really get 177 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 3: legs and it was spreading across America, and we were 178 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 3: rushing to get back home, so we canceled our meet 179 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 3: and greet because we were afraid of infection spreading and 180 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 3: one of us getting COVID. So we did the show. 181 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 3: We packed up as quickly as we could, we got 182 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 3: on the buses and headed back home. That was the 183 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 3: last time we were all together on the stage and 184 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 3: it makes me emotional when I think about it, because 185 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 3: we didn't know the last time was the last time, 186 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:13,719 Speaker 3: and not to be able to say goodbye to it 187 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:16,679 Speaker 3: and give it its proper do has been one of 188 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 3: the most painful things in the world. 189 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 2: So, first of all, for the fans. 190 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 3: They've been the most amazing support system ever and they've 191 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 3: allowed us to have these incredible lives and careers. Without them, 192 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 3: obviously we wouldn't have anything. So, you know, a lot 193 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 3: of love and respect and honor should be given to them, 194 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:38,439 Speaker 3: and we didn't give we didn't give any of them 195 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:41,080 Speaker 3: a chance to come say goodbye to us. That is 196 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 3: always something that's really sucked, and I've always hated and regretted, you. 197 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 1: Know, It's funny. I just realized in listening to you talk, 198 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: I went through something very similar, And I say, you 199 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: and I am in Rascal Flats and me with the 200 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 1: Bachelor of Lauren and I my beautiful wife, and I 201 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 1: just did a podcast about this, of not knowing when 202 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 1: it's over, of not knowing the last time you're walking 203 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 1: off the field, not being cognizant of the fact of 204 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 1: this is it, and that that show in New Jersey 205 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 1: you didn't have the wherewithal to go, this is the 206 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:26,559 Speaker 1: last time we're all going to be together on the stage. 207 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:29,319 Speaker 1: And you and I, you know, obviously when I walked 208 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:31,680 Speaker 1: off the Bachelor Show for the last time, I didn't 209 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 1: know that. And I didn't have the pageantry and the 210 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 1: ceremony of getting to say goodbye on your own terms. 211 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 1: And you guys, unfortunately, after two decks over two decades, 212 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 1: didn't have that chance to say goodbye. 213 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. It is something that I live with 214 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:53,319 Speaker 2: every day. I mean, I really do. Rascal Flats. 215 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 3: When you when you're part of something and you build 216 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 3: it from the ground up and watch it grow and 217 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 3: watch people respond to it and people love it, and 218 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 3: people identify with your music and your songs, and you've 219 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 3: helped them through certain seasons of our lives, and it 220 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 3: becomes something more than just a song to other people. 221 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 3: That has value to me, That means something, and I 222 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:15,679 Speaker 3: don't take that lightly. So to not be able to 223 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 3: give it its proper goodbye or say thank you to 224 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 3: those fans that we would have met in twenty twenty 225 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 3: and be able to hug them one last time and 226 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:26,559 Speaker 3: tell them thank you for an incredible career, it truly is. 227 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 3: You know, it's been heartbreaking and it's not something easy 228 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 3: to live with every day because I poured so much 229 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 3: into it myself that I've not been able to resolve 230 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 3: it internally myself either. 231 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 2: So I deal with that every day. 232 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 3: I'm one of those people that hopes we have a 233 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 3: chance to stand on stage again together someday so that 234 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 3: we're able to at least put some kind of resolution 235 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 3: to it. 236 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 2: And I hold out hope every day that we'll get 237 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 2: to that point eventually. You know, yeah, I know that. 238 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 1: You know, Joe Don Rudy God bless them, is working 239 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 1: on himself and trying to get healthy, and I wish 240 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 1: him the very best, and I hope he does kind 241 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 1: of conquer those demons that he's been fighting you, And 242 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 1: so it's you and Gary right now right that are 243 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: kind of along with jodon And I guess that you 244 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 1: kind of answered a little bit of surely there's room 245 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 1: that someday this could happen, you know, even if it's 246 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 1: just one of those crazy Grammy moments or whatever where 247 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 1: you just all of a sudden, maybe even for one 248 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 1: night only, Rascal Flats is back together. I just maybe 249 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:35,680 Speaker 1: it's just being a huge fan. I just I hope, 250 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: I hope that's a possibility. 251 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:40,839 Speaker 3: Well, I think it's a you know, we we needed 252 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 3: to give Jodahn the space and the time to go 253 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 3: through some of the things that he needed to go through. 254 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 3: You know, he was going through a very painful divorce. 255 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 3: There were things here he was dealing with towards the 256 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 3: last few years that Gary and I really didn't know 257 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 3: the depth of. You know, it's it's easy to go 258 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:00,080 Speaker 3: out and sing for a bunch of fans and and 259 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:04,080 Speaker 3: have a few cocktails afterward and sort of go to bed. 260 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 3: But it's harder when you're dealing with personal issues, and 261 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 3: you're dealing with some personal demons and a rough home life, 262 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:12,959 Speaker 3: and that starts to compound and you start to self 263 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 3: medicate more than you realize. 264 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 2: And I think that was sneaking up on him. I 265 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 2: know it was. 266 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 3: Because we've remained We've remained very, very close through his 267 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 3: whole process. I stayed in touch with him, you know, 268 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 3: as often as I could while he was in rehab. 269 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 3: And I can't tell you how proud I am of 270 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 3: this guy and how he is bounced back. And I 271 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 3: haven't seen jodin this healthy and this happy in a 272 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 3: long long time, and I'm so proud of him, and 273 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 3: he is his sobriety means so much to him right now, 274 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 3: and he's working his way through that, and I think 275 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 3: he's finally at a place to where he's able to 276 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 3: start coming back into the world and be creative again 277 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 3: and feeling good about the future and where that may 278 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 3: lead to. So it's been it's been an amazing thing 279 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 3: to stand back on the side lines and sort of 280 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 3: watch him come through so much and conquer so much, 281 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 3: and I just I could not be more proud of. 282 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 2: The man he is and what he's been able to do. Well. 283 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 1: I know, you guys, things got contentious, We'll just say 284 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 1: that towards the end, But now that we all have understanding, 285 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: and like you said, it's it's such a good lesson 286 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 1: no matter how successful, and you guys couldn't have been 287 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 1: more successful in the industry. You don't know what somebody 288 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 1: is going through on the data, and you know, we 289 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 1: all judge each other on social media, you know, judge 290 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 1: our neighbors, and you see people all the time and 291 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 1: you just think, you know, you don't. You don't know 292 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 1: what someone's going through. You don't know their pain, you 293 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 1: don't know the depth of it. And so you know, 294 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 1: Joe Don I think is a shining example of that. 295 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 1: And thank god, I think he's coming through this on 296 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 1: the other side. So you know, maybe I think what 297 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 1: you just said though, was hopeful. I think, you know, 298 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 1: if everybody gets healthy and happy and we come back 299 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 1: and maybe we do have the resurrection tour that you know, 300 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 1: you guys be the Stones, maybe just go on forever. 301 00:14:58,040 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 3: Man. 302 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 2: My hope is that it won't be a farewell to her. 303 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 2: Maybe we'll be able to come back story we'll appreciate 304 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 2: it more than we ever have. 305 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 3: Or you know, I think that's one of the things 306 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 3: we took for granted, is that it was just going 307 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 3: to go on and on forever, and then you know, 308 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 3: COVID taught us otherwise, you know, just when you think 309 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 3: you're in control, you're not. And something you said is 310 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 3: so true. You never know the shit that people deal 311 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 3: with on the inside. And one thing I've learned is 312 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 3: to try to be, especially if you care about somebody, 313 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 3: to try to be more in tune and more and 314 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 3: not so apprehensive about asking people if they're okay. Sometimes 315 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 3: just asking someone if they're okay means the world to 316 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 3: someone more than you might ever imagine, just to let 317 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 3: somebody know that somebody cares enough to even ask about them. 318 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 3: And that's that's something I think that I've walked away 319 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 3: with from this is going you know, it's okay to 320 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 3: have even if you're bros and your dudes and you 321 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 3: hang out and you play golf, it's okay to have 322 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 3: a heart to heart with somebody and go, are you 323 00:15:58,280 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 3: doing okay? Man? 324 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 2: Tell me about what's going on. 325 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: And guys notoriously are bad at that. Yeah, we're mad. 326 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: It's like, man, take two seconds and actually ask, especially 327 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 1: if someone kind of opens the door. Oftentimes we all 328 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 1: just gloss over. It's like, oh, I'm you know, having 329 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 1: a tough time at home and like, oh man, yeah, 330 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: that's tough. Instead like if someone actually takes the second 331 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 1: to open that door, walk through it and you know, 332 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 1: ask a follow up a question and see how they're 333 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 1: really doing. It's funny when you're you're telling that story. 334 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 1: It kind of reminded me of the movie almost Famous 335 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 1: of you know, the trials and tribulations of a band 336 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 1: and then when they kind of you know, got back 337 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 1: together in the end, it was a thousand times better. 338 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 1: And I feel like that could be y'all's story. It 339 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 1: truly could be where you just go back out for 340 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 1: the love of the game and actually enjoy every minute 341 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 1: of it. Maybe who knows, this is the pipe dream 342 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 1: you guys are all on one bus instead of three 343 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 1: separate buses. 344 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 2: You never know. It could be the case. 345 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 3: Although one of us snores really loudly, and I'm not 346 00:16:56,840 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 3: gonna divult through that is, but I hope that's the case. 347 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 2: I really do, because I miss it. 348 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:05,399 Speaker 3: I know that being in a band is like, you know, 349 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 3: it's a marriage on steroids. You know, in the longer 350 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 3: year together, the more buttons you know, to push to 351 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 3: irritate each other. 352 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 2: So I think the time away has done us some good. 353 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 3: I don't think we'll ever stop loving each other, but 354 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,239 Speaker 3: we definitely got to the point to where, you know, 355 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:22,880 Speaker 3: everybody needs a little time away. 356 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 1: A little Chicago. You know, it's well years. What's funny, 357 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 1: I was thinking about you guys in Chicago one of 358 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 1: my favorite bands as well ever, and they, you know, 359 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 1: they've made it work through different band members or whatever, 360 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 1: they've always kept that name and that that sound alive. 361 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:42,359 Speaker 1: And so hopefully you guys will too. You've worked with 362 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:43,360 Speaker 1: you worked with Chicago. 363 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:47,160 Speaker 2: Well, I'm in a band with Jason Chef called Generation Radio. 364 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 1: Is he still in southern California? He lived out by me? 365 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 1: I think Thousand Oaks. Yeah, yeah, he's still out there. 366 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: And so we got this band called Generation Radio that's 367 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:59,640 Speaker 1: kind of a supergroup. We started out with Dean Castronovo, 368 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:02,920 Speaker 1: who's Journey Jason of course Chicago, and now we have 369 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 1: Steve Feroni, who spent twenty five years as the drummer 370 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:09,160 Speaker 1: for Tom Petty and the Heartbreacords. It's a fun little 371 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 1: band and we released a we released a record a 372 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 1: couple of years ago. So we're out doing some corporates 373 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 1: and things. I'll just say Where can we find you, guys, 374 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 1: because talk about a great night to go out and 375 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:22,639 Speaker 1: see those guys jam You know, are you all on 376 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 1: social media? Where can we find you? 377 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:27,680 Speaker 2: Generation Radio dot com And you can stream the music. 378 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 3: On all platforms Pandora, Spotify, Apple Music, Amazon. 379 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 1: I know that this is a tough thing to claim, 380 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 1: since you know, we say we're the live music capital 381 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: of the world here in Austin. You're sitting in Nashville, 382 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:53,160 Speaker 1: which probably could really make the claim. But you guys 383 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:54,879 Speaker 1: ever come over to Austin. Man, you got to let 384 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 1: us know because we do live music pretty well here too. 385 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:00,200 Speaker 2: Oh, you do it great. As a matter of fact, 386 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:01,720 Speaker 2: our guitar player lives down there. 387 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 1: Oh does it really? 388 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, Tommy Yankton, you. 389 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 1: Know something else that you and I have in common. 390 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:09,920 Speaker 1: And when we were together in twenty nineteen, I had 391 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 1: just started dating my then girlfriend Laurence Eaman, now my wife. 392 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:17,400 Speaker 1: But I realized later, Oh, we had kind of similar 393 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 1: ways of meeting our wives because you met on shooting 394 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 1: your music video for Rascal Flats. That's where you met 395 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 1: your wife. So basically at the office is where you met, 396 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 1: and so did Lauren and I. 397 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:30,199 Speaker 2: That's so great. 398 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: And I always tell people don't shy away from, you know, 399 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:35,399 Speaker 1: meeting somebody at work. You know. 400 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:38,399 Speaker 3: The thing about Allison was she was engaged when she 401 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 3: did the video, but they made her take her ring 402 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:43,879 Speaker 3: off so that she appeared to be single in the video. 403 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:46,200 Speaker 3: And I just kept hitting on her all day long, 404 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 3: and she kept blowing me off, and I was like, man, 405 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:49,399 Speaker 3: I've got my egg game on here. 406 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 2: What's going right? 407 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:51,680 Speaker 1: What's going on? I got the power of the band, 408 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 1: this is my music video. 409 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:55,879 Speaker 2: And she wasn't having any of it. 410 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 3: And finally, I think we were on launch break or something, 411 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 3: she was like, I'm engaged. I've been dating the same 412 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:04,440 Speaker 3: guy for five years, so you know, five down there. 413 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:06,919 Speaker 3: And then I kept running into her around town and 414 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 3: I finally wore down. 415 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 2: She went on a day with. 416 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:12,359 Speaker 1: Me, and the rest of the history. Y'all still have 417 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 1: a one daughter. 418 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:17,680 Speaker 3: I've got a daughter and a son. Okay, yeah, I've 419 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 3: got My son is eleven. My daughter's thirteen years. 420 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 1: Old, Okay, as I say, yeah, it was about ten 421 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 1: thirteen years ago. Wow, that's so you're in the middle 422 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 1: of it. How as someone who is kind of coming 423 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:31,399 Speaker 1: out on the other side. My daughter's twenty and a 424 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:34,199 Speaker 1: sophomore in college. I feel like, and I don't mean 425 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 1: to scare you, I feel like you're just now getting 426 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 1: into that dangerous territory of full teenage girl. 427 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I'm starting to hear horror stories from 428 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 3: friends of mine. And we waited a little longer to 429 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 3: have kids. So I was thirty nine when we had Madeline. 430 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 3: So I as I get older, my patients is thenner. 431 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:58,680 Speaker 3: So I'm really praying for patients and a little long 432 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 3: suffering because i know the teenage years can be really rough. 433 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 1: I definitely saw with my daughter, and I'm sure you're 434 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 1: seeing it. 435 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 3: You know. 436 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:08,439 Speaker 1: People talk about high school, it's really middle school. That 437 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 1: was a tough time to get through. 438 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 3: I'm grateful because I've seen Maddie make some really good 439 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:17,399 Speaker 3: decisions even early on, and choose the right kinds of 440 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 3: people and choose to be kind in some difficult situations 441 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 3: where you know, other girls may have not been so 442 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,400 Speaker 3: kind to some other girls that are on the outside 443 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:28,360 Speaker 3: of the cliquish circles or whatever. 444 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 2: And a mother shared. 445 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 3: A story with me last summer that Madeline went over 446 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 3: to some girl that was being mildly bullied and the 447 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 3: girls were excluding her, and Madeline said, hey, why don't 448 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:42,439 Speaker 3: you come over and hang out with my friends and 449 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:44,439 Speaker 3: you don't have to worry about them. And you know, 450 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:47,400 Speaker 3: as a father, you can't wish for anything more than 451 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 3: that that your kids are compassionate and they make good decisions. 452 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 3: And you know, so far, I couldn't be more proud 453 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:57,400 Speaker 3: of the young ladies she's turning into. 454 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 1: But I see glimpses of it. You we talked about 455 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 1: at the top of this interview. You know, you've started 456 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 1: on your own label, and you got a little country, 457 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 1: you got Christian artists. What I find interesting and people 458 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,360 Speaker 1: have asked me about this. I want to give your perspective. 459 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:16,879 Speaker 1: When I left The Bachelor after nineteen very successful years 460 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 1: and you had that incredible run with Rascal Flats. It's 461 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 1: easy when it's all kind of taken away between Covid 462 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:27,439 Speaker 1: and Jodahn and everything happening. You lost something big. Hopefully 463 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: it'll come back, but at the time you lost something big, 464 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:32,399 Speaker 1: and it's easy for Jada Marcus to be like, woe 465 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 1: is me? Do you remember who I was? And nothing 466 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 1: will be the same anymore, and just kind of fold 467 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:42,439 Speaker 1: up and die, you know, But instead You're like, great, 468 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 1: this is an opportunity to go start a label, to 469 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 1: go get back, and to go do some incredible things 470 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 1: in music. What is that tipping point that instead of 471 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 1: going and lamenting and being sad and whatever happened to 472 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 1: that guy, to this guy I'm seeing now that is 473 00:22:57,760 --> 00:22:59,880 Speaker 1: incredibly successful and still blazing a tray. 474 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,400 Speaker 3: Well, I tell you, that's a wonderful question and one 475 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 3: I've thought about a lot, because the truth is is, 476 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 3: no one really knows about the. 477 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:14,359 Speaker 2: Dark moments I had after the Flats were short stripped away. 478 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 3: I had so much of my identity wrapped up in 479 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 3: the success of that. 480 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 2: Band, and being a part of that band was very natural. 481 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:25,200 Speaker 3: To me, and when the rug was sort of yanked 482 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:28,160 Speaker 3: out from under our feet, I went through many long 483 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:34,400 Speaker 3: nights of doubting everything, like what obviously I've never been 484 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:36,639 Speaker 3: you know, for the better part of two decades, a 485 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:40,159 Speaker 3: little over two decades, I hadn't wanted for anything. I 486 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:43,959 Speaker 3: knew my career path was laid out before me. I 487 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,239 Speaker 3: had no idea all of a sudden who I was, 488 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 3: or what I was going to do, or what the 489 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 3: future would look like. The financial stability of Rascal Flats 490 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 3: was really consistent. So all of a sudden, I'm going, well, 491 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 3: now I don't have a gig. Now I'm not making money, 492 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,680 Speaker 3: so I've got to reassess everything. And I went through 493 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 3: some really, really hard, sleepless nights of trying to figure 494 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 3: out the next season of my life. But I'll tell 495 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 3: you what it allowed me to do. And I don't 496 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 3: preach a lot, but my faith is important to me, 497 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 3: and I happened. I would be remiss if I didn't 498 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 3: say that gave me an opportunity to trust more in 499 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 3: God's plan than I ever had before, to trust more 500 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 3: that I wasn't into control to begin with, and everything 501 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:31,920 Speaker 3: I had had been given to. 502 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 2: Me because of his sovereignty and his love for me. 503 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 3: So it really gave me a time and a chance 504 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 3: to refocus and rechannel my faith and sort of rediscover 505 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 3: it because I had to become completely reliant on him 506 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 3: and trust that he had my future in his hands. 507 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 3: And I have to say this, He's never let me down. 508 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,119 Speaker 3: I never wanted for anything. I never went through a 509 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,880 Speaker 3: time to where I woke up and I was scared 510 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 3: that my needs weren't going to be met. The next month, 511 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 3: the next year, the next six months. So it really 512 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 3: was a time of spiritual growth for me. And you know, 513 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,119 Speaker 3: that may not be the answer a lot of people 514 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 3: want to hear, but that's that's the truth. My faith 515 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 3: carried me through a lot of those dark times and 516 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 3: it gave me the strengths to go. You know what, 517 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 3: this is the time to challenge myself and to try 518 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 3: something new and to jump into something, you know, with 519 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,120 Speaker 3: both feet that I really don't know anything about. I've 520 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,399 Speaker 3: been in the music business, but I've been an artist, 521 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 3: So the administrative sign and the business sign was something 522 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 3: very very new for me, and I loved the challenge 523 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:37,439 Speaker 3: of learning this side of the business so that I 524 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:41,200 Speaker 3: could help give other young artists an opportunity in a 525 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 3: platform to realize their dreams too. Well. 526 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 1: That message may not be welcome elsewhere, it's welcome here, 527 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,439 Speaker 1: thank you. I take that for sure. You know I 528 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 1: felt the same way. And the funny thing is I 529 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 1: also believe in that in God's plan, and my wife 530 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:58,159 Speaker 1: Lauren off and says, you know, we make plans God laughs. 531 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 1: It's like it's not always always one and the same, right, 532 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 1: Like you're playing your idea, you're cruising, and then God's like, 533 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 1: oh no, no, no, no, this is what's happening here, 534 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 1: so you never know, and it's it is an amazing journey. 535 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 1: And you guys that have definitely had one, and I'm 536 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 1: so grateful for your friendship and I appreciate the time. 537 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 1: And now I'm excited me and I'm I'm gonna see 538 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 1: you in Tahoe here in just a few months. 539 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 2: Man, We're gonna have a blast. 540 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 3: Wriggle and I and we get out there and you know, 541 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,440 Speaker 3: it's gosh, it's my favorite week. 542 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,360 Speaker 2: Of the entire summer. I have to tell you. 543 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 3: There's so many old friends that you don't get to 544 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 3: see throughout the rest of the year. And it's just 545 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 3: like a big homecoming, man. So I cannot wait to 546 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 3: see It's been far too long. And thank you also 547 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 3: for connecting me with Rogers Heely. What a great guy 548 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:43,359 Speaker 3: he is. 549 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 2: Man. 550 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, and uh what people what he's referring to. We 551 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:49,679 Speaker 1: could just tell everybody you and I are involved in 552 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,440 Speaker 1: this amazing company. I'm wearing one of the shirts right now, 553 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:53,679 Speaker 1: you know what. 554 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 2: I left the house this morning and I was like, 555 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 2: what am I doing? Why am I not wearing the shirt? Agreed? 556 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 1: J and I are involved in this company. Snaps a great, 557 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 1: great young company. These guys are trying to make it 558 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 1: and they make these amazing shirts and people see me 559 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 1: in them all the time in social media and I 560 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 1: swear by them. And I called you, I said, hey, 561 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 1: you got to get involved in this. These guys are phenomenal. 562 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 2: You're fantastic, great product. Recommend it. 563 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,200 Speaker 1: Well, brother, is damn good to see you again. It's 564 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 1: been really good to see you. I will talk to 565 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 1: you soon. 566 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 2: Thank you, Jay, good to see you man. 567 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,120 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. Follow us on Instagram at the most 568 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 1: dramatic pod ever and make sure to write us a 569 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,399 Speaker 1: review and leave us five stars. I'll talk to you 570 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:32,880 Speaker 1: next time.