1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:04,600 Speaker 1: Keep It Positive Sweety is available on Apple Podcasts, iHeartRadio, Spotify, 2 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts. Just search keep It 3 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: Positive Sweety. That's Sweety with an Ie to listen. Hello, 4 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 1: and welcome to this episode of Keep It Positive Sweety. 5 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 1: I'm Christine Hayslet, and as you can tell, I am 6 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: not at home. I'm in Los Angeles right now catching 7 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: up with some of my favorite favorite people. 8 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 2: Today. 9 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:34,239 Speaker 1: I have with me Sean Finney and we're gonna be 10 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:37,840 Speaker 1: talking about Pivot season ed. You can see we're somewhere else. 11 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:40,919 Speaker 1: I want to shout out thirteen Loon. Thirteen Loon is 12 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:44,839 Speaker 1: a beautiful store founded by Nikayo Greco where ninety percent 13 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 1: of her products sold here. 14 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 2: Are Bipop founded. Thank you so much, thirteen Loon. Sean. 15 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:53,160 Speaker 2: I'm so happy to have you here. Like you don't 16 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 2: even understand. 17 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: I've been trying to get this man on this podcast 18 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 1: and so I'm so happy to have you here. 19 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 3: And it was always yes, it was always yes, Thank you, 20 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 3: Thank you so much. 21 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 2: For people who do not know who Sean is, where 22 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 2: have you been? 23 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 4: It's the question. 24 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 1: So if you don't know, we're not gonna judge you. 25 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:12,320 Speaker 1: But I'm gonna tell you a little bit about him. 26 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:15,960 Speaker 1: Sean Finny is an award winning entertainment executive and producer 27 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: with over a decade of experience in Hollywood. Sean most 28 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 1: recently served as Executive vice President, Member Relations, Global Outreach 29 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 1: and Awards at the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and 30 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: Sciences OSCARS. He was the youngest black male executive in 31 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:35,680 Speaker 1: the organization's history. Sean is a sought after host, moderator, commentator, 32 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 1: and facilitator in the entertainment sector. 33 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 2: Currently the host of La Times. 34 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 1: Digital series The Envelope, Ladies and Gentlemen. 35 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 3: Sean Finny, you can anywhere I go any time, but 36 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 3: before because I know this is your show, show thank you. 37 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 4: I'm so proud of you. I'm so proud of. 38 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 3: What you've done, what you're doing and where it's going. 39 00:01:58,040 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 2: Thank you. 40 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 3: Are so many things, but a light is the first 41 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 3: thing that comes to mind when Wowan. 42 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 1: It's crazy you say that because I started the shop 43 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 1: with a quote and this is the quote that I 44 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:13,519 Speaker 1: pulled that makes me think of you, and it says, 45 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 1: simply shine your light on the road ahead, and you 46 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 1: are helping others see their way out of darkness. 47 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:23,639 Speaker 4: That is never part like we get there. 48 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, that is who you are to me. And 49 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: when we were thinking, I was like, I need a 50 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 1: quote for Sean, and we. 51 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:31,399 Speaker 2: All were like, he's a light. He's a light. 52 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 1: And when I saw this and I was like, he 53 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 1: is bringing people out of darkness. 54 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 2: That just just being yourself. 55 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 1: I'm telling you, on a regular day, if I just 56 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:41,920 Speaker 1: see you on Instagram, it brings me joy. That smile 57 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 1: we are shine fine my camera, but that smile brings 58 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: so many people joy. Then when you speak and you 59 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 1: give other people hope, it's just. 60 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 4: It means the world. 61 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 2: So thank you, friend. 62 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 4: Appreciate you, Yes, appreciate you. No. 63 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 2: I remember when we first met. It was through Fatima yep. 64 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: I think it was during you were doing a series 65 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:03,639 Speaker 1: on social media. 66 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:04,679 Speaker 2: What was that one called? 67 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 3: I was doing a series called Journey where I was 68 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:10,839 Speaker 3: talking to different artists and filmmakers specifically just about what 69 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 3: was happening in the ecosystem from. 70 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 4: A human level and not really just about the headlines 71 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 4: how people were doing. And that's when we initially connected. 72 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 2: That is when we initially connected. 73 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: And it wasn't until a few years later that we 74 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: actually met. And I remember and I tell people this 75 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:29,119 Speaker 1: story sometimes. Last year during Oscar season, we were at 76 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 1: an event, yes, where you had to speak, and you 77 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 1: walked out stage. You came straight to me and You're like, 78 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: how are you doing? I was like, I don't know 79 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: how I'm doing. I just had my first panic attack today. 80 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:40,839 Speaker 4: It just like came out, yeah and talked. 81 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 2: We talked about it right at that moment. 82 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 4: Yeah. 83 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 2: And just hearing you. 84 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: Say, Crystal, sometimes you just gotta breathe. It's okay, I 85 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: go through it. It's fine, You're not alone in this 86 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 1: meant so much because when you feel that for the 87 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 1: first time, you have no idea what's going on, and 88 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 1: I feel like God put me in that room that 89 00:03:57,760 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 1: night to have you there. 90 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, shut there. And then you come to 91 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 2: me and you're like, how are you? And you're how 92 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 2: are you? 93 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 4: Is? 94 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 2: In surface level it's always no, how are you? 95 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, no, because we're gonna have that conversation. And it's 96 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 4: funny because I was we were I saw you for 97 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 4: the first time on stage. 98 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 3: So I came on and I was on stage and 99 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 3: I'm like, Crystal, finish what I got to do, and 100 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:18,280 Speaker 3: I can't. 101 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:20,039 Speaker 4: You're right a B line straight to you, and I 102 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:21,600 Speaker 4: was like, how's your heart, how's your spirit? 103 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 3: And what's interesting too, is I think that people think 104 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:27,039 Speaker 3: when we're all dolled up at an event, you're at 105 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 3: an OSCAR event leading up to it, everything's good. And 106 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 3: those are the moments I find where I'm like, we 107 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:34,279 Speaker 3: really got to tap in because everything is happening so fast, 108 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 3: and the. 109 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 4: Assumption is you're good because you're there. 110 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's not always the truth is, and that's 111 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 3: why we're people that you really feel that connection with. 112 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 4: You got to really be like, no, no, no. 113 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 2: What's up? 114 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:45,039 Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, literally, what's what's up? You're good? 115 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, we can have this conversation right now in front 116 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 3: of this room where we can talk. 117 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 4: In a way where we can understand. You know what 118 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 4: I'm saying. I love a voice note and I love 119 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 4: your voice back too. But just to check in because 120 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 4: I feel like that's a law for life. 121 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 3: We see people online, we see the accomplishments, things that 122 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:02,479 Speaker 3: were doing so are assumption is always that oh they're thriving, 123 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 3: they're good, and they might be. That doesn't mean that 124 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 3: you can't have a bad day or a bad moment 125 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:06,840 Speaker 3: in the. 126 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 4: Day, and it's not always a bad day the end 127 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:10,840 Speaker 4: of the day. 128 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:12,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, that is so true. 129 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, in that moment, you really just helped because I 130 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: think even still, I was feeling that the heart palpitation 131 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 1: feeling from an anxiety attack, and I was like I 132 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: could not get my heart break this little down and 133 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 1: they just even talking, you just helped so much. And 134 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: just I feel like God literally sent you to me 135 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: that night, just so I could be like, all right, 136 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:38,480 Speaker 1: we keep going heah right, literally, So You've done so 137 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:41,599 Speaker 1: many amazing things, Shane. I want to talk about young 138 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 1: sh I want to take people through the journey of 139 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 1: how we got to who you are today, the man 140 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 1: that people know. 141 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 2: You grew up in a Muslim home. 142 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, my dad's Muslim, my mom's Christians. How did that 143 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 4: work out? 144 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 2: Because listen, I dated a Muslim? 145 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 4: Okay, what was that? Like? My mom and. 146 00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 2: Daddy was like that ain't gonna work, and I was like, 147 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 2: I love him. They ended up. 148 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 1: He came to my college graduation day. To this day, 149 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 1: they always asked about him. He was one of the 150 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 1: kindest human beings you'll ever meet in your life, so sweet, 151 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:13,039 Speaker 1: and I always say that he was the person that 152 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:13,919 Speaker 1: loved me the hardest. 153 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 4: Wow. Yeah. 154 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:18,039 Speaker 1: But when it came to like having children, he wanted 155 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: to raising his Muslim so I was like, I don't 156 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 1: know if I can do that. So we just kind 157 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 1: of naturally growing apart. But yeah, it was it was different. 158 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 2: How is that for you? 159 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 3: You know what's interesting because for me, I just thought 160 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 3: that was the way the world worked, right. I mean 161 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:34,280 Speaker 3: not that I thought that everybody had the same thing, 162 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 3: but I think it really taught me duality. 163 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:37,159 Speaker 4: Right. 164 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 3: So I'm a military kid. I moved around quite a bit. 165 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 3: I was born in Virginia. 166 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 4: I don't know much about like, I can't. People were like, well, 167 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:45,599 Speaker 4: what's your favorite or what I'm like. I was born 168 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 4: in Newport News at seven five seven. I have family, 169 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 4: a lot of family in Richmond, Virginia. 170 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:51,279 Speaker 3: But we moved around a lot. So I would say, like, 171 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 3: New York is home. Florida's home. My parents live in Florida. 172 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 2: Now they're still together. 173 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 4: They're still together. Wow. I was so fascin Yeah, my 174 00:06:58,279 --> 00:06:59,159 Speaker 4: parents are still together. 175 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:03,279 Speaker 3: And I would say, you know, Chris, I was talking 176 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:06,839 Speaker 3: about this in therapy honestly the other day. And I 177 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:09,480 Speaker 3: had such a power of choice as a child, and 178 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 3: my dad was in the military for twenty four years. 179 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 3: I want to be clear, I did not have the 180 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 3: parents where I would be like, ah, yeah, it was 181 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 3: very much yes sir, yes, ma'am. But my parents allowed 182 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 3: me to find my way, and I thought that that 183 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 3: was just everyone's experience as a child, right. 184 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 4: And not that I didn't have rules. I had a 185 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 4: lot of rules, but if I followed those rules, I 186 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 4: had the power of choice. 187 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 3: So I would go to the temple with my father 188 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 3: and then I would go to church with my mom. 189 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 4: I didn't have to eat with. 190 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 3: My father ate, but out of respect when I went 191 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 3: to his side of the family, I would honor that right. 192 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 3: But it really taught me the duality of two things 193 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 3: can exist at the same time. 194 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 4: Allah God and so very young, I. 195 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 3: Had this idea where I was like, these, two of 196 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 3: the biggest things that we talk about is religion and politics, 197 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 3: and so like religion. 198 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 4: For that at a young age to. 199 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 3: Understand that it could be two different things for me, 200 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 3: I think really helped me understand how to acclimate to people, 201 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 3: how to be around different individuals very early. 202 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 4: And then being a military kid moving around like I 203 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 4: had friends. I mean, this is my best friend. 204 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 3: If you know, whated like, that's your best friend and 205 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 3: then you think y'all gonna be friends forever. And then 206 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 3: I moved to another city. I have to learn to 207 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 3: get new friends again and learn. 208 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 4: And as a kid, you're like, this sucks. 209 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 3: But as an adult, I have such an appreciation for 210 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 3: understanding how to move in different rooms, in different spaces 211 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 3: and move freely. 212 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 2: Yes, you know what I mean. It makes sense why 213 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 2: you were able to pivot so easily. 214 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 4: Yeah. 215 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 3: Life, And so I would say the experience for me, 216 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 3: you know, as the experience my parents might be a 217 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:39,680 Speaker 3: little different, right, because I think their families had their 218 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:41,439 Speaker 3: own opinions about how things could be, but. 219 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 4: They decided to come together. 220 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:45,959 Speaker 3: And for me, it was the best experience that I 221 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 3: could have, even now being able to share those specific 222 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 3: things with my father. We have our prayers that we 223 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 3: do and the specific things with my mom and my 224 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 3: dad will go to church with my mom. 225 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:57,439 Speaker 4: That took a while, but we got there. My dad 226 00:08:57,440 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 4: will go to church with my mom. 227 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 3: My moms went to the temple with my father, and 228 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 3: so I also it wasn't only my experience. 229 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 4: I also got to see how they were able. 230 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 3: To navigate that and it wasn't always I think, always pleasant, 231 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 3: But I think that that was also a realness to 232 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:13,440 Speaker 3: it too, where it's like these things that we put 233 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 3: so much pressure on, how much does it really matter 234 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 3: in terms of when you're bringing a life into this 235 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 3: world and bringing that person up. 236 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 4: But I felt like I had. 237 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 3: A really good power of choice as a child, and 238 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 3: I was able to make decisions and I was able 239 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 3: to express myself, and I appreciate it even more now 240 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 3: being a grown up. 241 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 2: I love it as a grown up. Have you made 242 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 2: a choice? Are you still kind of? 243 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 3: I mean, you know, interesting christian is just because it's 244 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 3: just been more accessible, I think. 245 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 4: But I am open to so many different practices. 246 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 3: I'm not like, oh that doesn't work, that's not I'm really. 247 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 4: Open because it's source for me. It's a feeling. 248 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 3: The name you give it is gonna be the name 249 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 3: that you give it that makes it feel good for you. 250 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 3: But I believe that there's a higher calling over my life, 251 00:09:59,280 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 3: point blank. 252 00:09:59,840 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 4: Heer. 253 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 3: And that's been interesting about living in California. Coming here, 254 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 3: moving here from New York, I was like, okay, mountains right, 255 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 3: and I was just made that, you know what I mean, Wow, 256 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 3: it's just been grounding being here in a different way 257 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 3: where I was just like, everywhere you look, it's a 258 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 3: constant reminder of something man didn't make, And so I 259 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 3: just chose to have that kind of perspective, which I 260 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 3: think has kept me grounded in some ways here because 261 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 3: it hasn't always been easy. There's been a lot of challenges, 262 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 3: a lot of pivots, and all of those pivots don't 263 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 3: come with Every pivot is different. Every pivot requires a 264 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 3: different version of you, and not necessarily. 265 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 4: What you're releasing, but what you have to become. 266 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 2: M that's powerful. 267 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, it is so true. 268 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 3: There's been a lot of versions of that, and I'm 269 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 3: working through some of that now. So I think value 270 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 3: and identity is such an interesting concept period. I think, 271 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 3: you know, when we think of social media, you know, 272 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 3: we haven't had something really interrupt I think the human 273 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 3: experience like this since like mass media, you know, broadcasts, 274 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 3: you know when that happened in the early nineteen hundreds, and 275 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 3: so I'm just like, how people are starting to get 276 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 3: their value, How I get my value? 277 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 4: The identity? 278 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:15,079 Speaker 3: Are we at that thing that everybody is at? Are 279 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 3: we not at that thing that everybody's at? 280 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 4: Right? And you have different versions of it. 281 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 3: But I feel like for me, value and identity working 282 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 3: in this town, working in this town, that really, I 283 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 3: think propels so many images out to the rest. 284 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 4: Of the world. 285 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 3: The nuances, the highs, the lows, the reality and the 286 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 3: nuances of it all I think for me have have 287 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 3: impacted me in some ways and have grown me in 288 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 3: so many other ways. Yeah, but these these pivots don't 289 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 3: come without I think, a bigger promise. You've got to 290 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 3: be willing to release something and let something go. And 291 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 3: I think that's not always what we're thinking about, because 292 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 3: I think we naturally have a scarcity kind of mindset. 293 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 4: Where I got to hold onto this, got to hold 294 00:11:57,400 --> 00:11:57,599 Speaker 4: onto it. 295 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 3: No, But if you had a surplus mindset, you even 296 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:02,560 Speaker 3: be thinking about this, you would put this down because 297 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 3: you know something else is coming and it may look different, 298 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:07,719 Speaker 3: but you know it's coming. And so it's a mindset 299 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 3: shift that I'm not always in the best seat for 300 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 3: I want to be clear, but then I'm continually learning 301 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:14,680 Speaker 3: and adjusting along the way. 302 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 4: I love it. 303 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 2: I love that. 304 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 1: You were the youngest VP at for the academy. 305 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 2: What was that experience? 306 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 4: How much time we. 307 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 1: Have because I'm definitely interested to know what that was 308 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 1: like to be in that position at a very young 309 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:36,439 Speaker 1: age and to have made history. 310 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I'm still figuring out really, honestly. 311 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 4: I think. So I moved here from New York. I 312 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 4: came here to do music. That's what I was doing. 313 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 4: I came here to do music, sing, Oh you already, 314 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 4: come on, it's lit. All right, we got it, he 315 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 4: it's lit, It's lit. 316 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:57,840 Speaker 3: But no, came here to do music. Got offered a 317 00:12:57,880 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 3: deal under a major imprint. 318 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 4: I was like, I made it four months and I 319 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 4: made it not quite. Then there's the paperwork and making sure. 320 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 3: And at that time I was twenty thirteen, So the 321 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 3: three sixty deals were a big thing and most importantly 322 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 3: just them controlling your image. And for me, I think 323 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 3: even at a young age, I understood the power of 324 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 3: image and what that would portray, and I just wanted 325 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:18,679 Speaker 3: to own it, even if people didn't agree with it. 326 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 4: I wanted to own it. 327 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 3: I didn't want to perpetuate an idea that I really wasn't. 328 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 4: You know how hard it is to work so long. 329 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:28,959 Speaker 3: You know what it's like to work in multiple different 330 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 3: careers because you've done it too and you get the 331 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 3: thing you thought you've always wanted, and then you say no, 332 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:38,439 Speaker 3: it's not what it's time what you thought. And then 333 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 3: you're just like you pray your body, like what am 334 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:40,959 Speaker 3: I gonna do about this? 335 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:43,200 Speaker 4: And it was like say no, I'm like, well, hollup, 336 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:46,719 Speaker 4: this is I think I'm on the wrong chance. Let 337 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 4: me too, my doll back, because we didn't come this 338 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 4: far to come this far to walk away from this 339 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 4: and walking away from it. 340 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 3: Interestingly enough, my car was getting shipped a nineteen ninety 341 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 3: eight toty camera was getting sipped here from New York 342 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 3: the next day, and the place where I was thing 343 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 3: I could no longer stay at and started living in 344 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 3: that nineteen ninety eight towty came. So this all goes 345 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:08,960 Speaker 3: into my story working at this, at the organization. I 346 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 3: was in that car for about four to six months. 347 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 4: What. 348 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, living here in California and going to La Fitness, 349 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 3: good to La Fitness to shower shave. 350 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 4: Yeah. 351 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 3: And it's a lot of people's story here and I 352 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 3: do this a lot. 353 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a lot of people's story here. 354 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 3: But I have real parents, So I have parents that 355 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 3: if I had told them, I mean when I tell you, 356 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 3: they would have Trent. 357 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 4: They would have been teleported here. They would have teleported here. 358 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 3: And so I didn't tell them. I told my best friend. 359 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 3: My best friend would send me Western Union. 360 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 4: Western Union used to be a thing, y'all. Did you 361 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 4: know what I'm saying? Western Union was the thing. Now 362 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 4: we got cash app and everything, but Western Union. 363 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 3: He would send me, like, you know, one hundred dollars 364 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 3: seventy five dollars at the time. And that's how I 365 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 3: was really getting by and surviving. And so because I'd 366 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 3: had multiple jobs before. As an artist, you have to. 367 00:14:57,840 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 4: Have multiple jobs. I have multiple jobs before. 368 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 3: I was an assistant to the editor in chief of 369 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 3: Giant Magazine as the damage mil Wilbikin. He now has 370 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 3: this thing called Native Son. 371 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 4: Oh wow wants that? And he used to run Vibe. 372 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 3: I was his assistant for a while, and I was like, Okay, 373 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 3: if I'm going to do something here, I need to 374 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 3: make it make sense. So I put out a lot 375 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 3: of job applications every I even put a job appacation 376 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 3: at seven eleven. 377 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 4: They did not hire me. I'm like, I can make 378 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 4: a slurpery. I really feel like I can make a slurpery, 379 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 4: but it's fine, it's fine. And I went to a 380 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 4: temp agency. 381 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 3: Long story shore, I went to a temp agency, and 382 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 3: the temp agency's job is to not tell you what 383 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 3: the job is because then you could just go straight 384 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 3: to it, right. They told me about this job at 385 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 3: a place and I was like, okay, let me just 386 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 3: go ahead, fast forward. It was to be the temp 387 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 3: assistant to the CEO at the time. I started off 388 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 3: as a temp assistant to the CEO at the time 389 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 3: while I was living in my car, which was interesting 390 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 3: because you know, at that point, if you make the 391 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 3: tea wrong, you make the car runer, you don't answer 392 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 3: the phone right, you know you're a tempt You're not 393 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 3: really they're not committed. 394 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 4: To your growth there. 395 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 3: And it was an interesting time because when I had nothing, 396 00:15:58,760 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 3: I felt like I had everything. 397 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 4: As weird as that sounds, yeah, as scary as it was, 398 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 4: I'm like, what's true is this? And what does that sound? 399 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 4: At night? You used to be hearing the craziest sound? 400 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 4: What is that? 401 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 3: And when you got to get up and use the 402 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 3: restaurant them all of these things, you're getting out in 403 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 3: an alley ways, all of those things. And I didn't 404 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 3: grow up in that kind of capacity, so I think 405 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 3: there was a lot of pressure. But I just was like, 406 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 3: I am going to do something. I'm going to do 407 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 3: something great. I'm here for a reason and did not 408 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 3: think that that reason was. 409 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 4: That job in any capacity. 410 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 3: But I had to let go of the idea and 411 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 3: the identity of what was to allow something new to come. 412 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 4: But we don't talk about that in between, because. 413 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 3: The in betweens when you're letting go and when you're 414 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 3: waiting for and you're posturing yourself in the space of 415 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 3: expectancy but you can't quite make out what it is yet. 416 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 3: There was a lot of depression there because I'm an artist. 417 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 3: I'm used to creating, I'm used to performing, I'm used 418 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 3: to to making music. I'm used to doing the things 419 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 3: that I want to do, and now I'm at an 420 00:16:56,600 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 3: office and whose life is this? But I didn't understand 421 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 3: that I was being positioned not only for me, but 422 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 3: to be able to make impact, you know what I mean. 423 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 3: And so we don't often think that way because it's like, 424 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 3: we want to do what we want to do, but 425 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 3: what if we let go to let God? 426 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 4: Like, what if we are you willing to leave the 427 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 4: good to grasp the grater. Yes. 428 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:21,160 Speaker 3: So anyway I started there became permanent over an extended 429 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 3: amount of time, became permanent and Oscar so White, I 430 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:27,400 Speaker 3: was the executive assistant to the CEO at the time, 431 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:30,440 Speaker 3: and it was an interesting time really just in the industry, 432 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:33,680 Speaker 3: I think, and I used that time where I was like, Okay, 433 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 3: there's a void. I have value. How do I add 434 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 3: my value into the void? So I wrote a job 435 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:45,680 Speaker 3: description and promoted myself essentially by that job description to 436 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 3: move into a different department, and that was the Membership department. 437 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:52,159 Speaker 3: Did that for a while and then honestly just kept 438 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 3: just kept kind of climbing the ranks. It's a long story, 439 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:57,639 Speaker 3: but the short story is I kept climbing the ranks 440 00:17:57,720 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 3: and was there through its most. 441 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:01,679 Speaker 4: Probably vulnerable times. 442 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:03,119 Speaker 3: You know, when you think about the envelope and you 443 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 3: think about some of the other things that have happened 444 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 3: at the show, but it's not the show, it's the 445 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:09,199 Speaker 3: stuff throughout the year that was also a part of it, 446 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 3: you know, and really being a space to add that 447 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:14,119 Speaker 3: impact and strategy and leverage it. And it's impacted me 448 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:17,159 Speaker 3: in the best of ways. And it's also cost me 449 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 3: a lot, you know, And I think that some of 450 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 3: your biggest blessings can also take a lot out of you, 451 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:25,440 Speaker 3: can also challenge you the most, and it has been 452 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 3: something I'm very grateful for that I've learned a lot 453 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 3: about as I walk into new spaces. But I'm also 454 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:37,160 Speaker 3: completely good with letting it go. And I think that's 455 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 3: the thing is where we get something good, we hold 456 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 3: on to it so long because we think this is 457 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 3: as good as it's going to get. 458 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 2: But I've gotten greater before, so I want to get greater. 459 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:49,400 Speaker 3: I want to get greater against you know what I mean, 460 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:53,399 Speaker 3: And so those kind of things, and it's hard to 461 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 3: walk away from something when you feel like it's your safety. 462 00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:58,119 Speaker 4: It's one thing if it's your. 463 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 3: Success, because everybody has their perceived ideas. 464 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 4: And it's interesting, it wasn't even my own. 465 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 3: It was everybody else's perception of my success, everyone else's 466 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:10,640 Speaker 3: perception of your success. There's what's actually happening, and there's 467 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 3: the perception of it. And then if you're not careful, 468 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:16,479 Speaker 3: you can easily get card upon wanting to put up 469 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:19,880 Speaker 3: whatever you think that that is and not really making 470 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 3: the decisions that you need to make. For you, because 471 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 3: the wind might not look like the wind for everybody else. 472 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:26,360 Speaker 3: The whisper that God has for you might not look 473 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:28,719 Speaker 3: like the whisper because everybody else like you made it, 474 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:31,920 Speaker 3: You're good. And I'm like, no, this isn't isn't it, 475 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 3: This isn't it, And I'm grateful for what. 476 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 4: It is, but this is not it. This is not 477 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 4: my full stop. This is right now, you know what 478 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:43,920 Speaker 4: I mean. And so for me, there was multiple, multiple 479 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 4: things that I think that occurred, but I know that. 480 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:48,919 Speaker 4: I'm like, I've done it. Yeah, I did it. And 481 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 4: I think that sometimes we come into things and we 482 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:52,719 Speaker 4: think we have to do all of it, and I'm like, 483 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:54,439 Speaker 4: the part that I did, I know what I did. 484 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:56,119 Speaker 3: I know the impact that I added, and I know 485 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 3: what happened while I was in this space, and most importantly, 486 00:19:58,880 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 3: I know. 487 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 4: Who I helped. I know who I spoke to. 488 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:06,119 Speaker 3: Yes, I know who I created advocacy for and a 489 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 3: lot of public winds and a lot of private scars, my. 490 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 2: Goodness, I did not know that. 491 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 1: And just to look at you, that's why you just 492 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 1: never know what people did to get where they are. 493 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:21,959 Speaker 1: A lot of times people are not willing to go 494 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:23,919 Speaker 1: through what a lot of people have had to go 495 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 1: through to get to certain. 496 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 2: Places where they feel like you've made it. Yeah I did. 497 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 2: But would you go through what I went through to 498 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:29,400 Speaker 2: get here? 499 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 1: No? 500 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 3: No, And it's the highlight reel, right, it's the I 501 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 3: want the thing that I want, the moment on the carpet, 502 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 3: and it's like the moment on the carpet that's such 503 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:42,879 Speaker 3: a fleeting moment. Are you willing to go through the 504 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 3: things that don't feel good continually and expand your idea 505 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:51,160 Speaker 3: and your limitations of what you had for yourself, because 506 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:54,199 Speaker 3: that's how you allow other these companies, these corporations, these 507 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:56,879 Speaker 3: organizations and people to really treat you, you know what 508 00:20:56,920 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 3: I'm saying. So for me, it was amazing in so 509 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:04,400 Speaker 3: many different aspects. And like anything any blessing that you have, 510 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 3: there are challenges. There are things that cause you to 511 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 3: question things about yourself, and most importantly, things that remind 512 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 3: you of yourself yeah yeah, yeah, you know yeah, and 513 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:21,920 Speaker 3: or remind you more. 514 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 4: Better. Yeah, this is great. I want to leave the 515 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:30,159 Speaker 4: good to grass the greater. And it's easy to do 516 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:31,399 Speaker 4: that when you know it's on the other side. 517 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:32,920 Speaker 1: When you don't know, and you got to have that 518 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:34,920 Speaker 1: blind faith. It's different. 519 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:36,159 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's very different. 520 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:38,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, So with blind faith, how do you where do 521 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:40,160 Speaker 1: you feel like that came from? 522 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 2: And how are you ab to be? Like? 523 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:43,120 Speaker 1: All right, I don't know what's on the other side 524 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:44,880 Speaker 1: of this, but I'm gonna take this leap. 525 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 4: Yeah. 526 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 3: You know, it's interesting because I think when people make decisions. 527 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 3: I'm fascinated by people's decisions. I'm fascinated by how people 528 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:53,920 Speaker 3: make decisions. But one of the things that I've seen 529 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 3: is the common thread in people making decisions is that 530 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 3: it's never just one decision. 531 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 4: It's multiple decisions that have left up to one decision 532 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,880 Speaker 4: right right. And for me, there were multiple things. 533 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 3: That occurred where I was like, hmm, I've put in 534 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 3: First of all, I was too exhausted to dream. 535 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 4: So that's the thing we. 536 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 3: Go up, we share in our comment we share in 537 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:23,439 Speaker 3: the story. When there's a big announcement, you know, an 538 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 3: announcement of a job, announcement of somebody, we go and 539 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 3: it's great, but I don't know that we often think 540 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 3: about what their experience is going to be like in 541 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 3: there beyond that press release moment. Yeah, And I think 542 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 3: that that's a real thing, and I think I was like, 543 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 3: I'm here, i am successful, I'm making more money than 544 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 3: I've ever made, I have access, I have these things, 545 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 3: and I'm too exhausted to dream and is this success 546 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,879 Speaker 3: or is this everyone else's idea of success and for 547 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 3: someone else might be great? And even though it's too 548 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,160 Speaker 3: exhausted to dream, I kept doing it. I kept wanting 549 00:22:58,200 --> 00:22:59,680 Speaker 3: to make the impact because there were some dreams. 550 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 4: But I have dreams outside of this, yeah, right, I. 551 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 3: Have dreams outside of how much this is taking. And 552 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 3: I think that we often don't talk about safety. I 553 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 3: think there's a safety required to be in a ninety 554 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:18,919 Speaker 3: seven or ninety eight year old anything but organization or 555 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 3: anything where it wasn't created at a time. So what 556 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 3: do you think that's like to be the person in 557 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,640 Speaker 3: the room right? You know, to speak up, speak out 558 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 3: There's a safety required to feel safe to speak up, 559 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 3: to speak out right. And I think for a good 560 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 3: amount of time I felt that safety to be able 561 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 3: to do so. And then when I felt it wasn't 562 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:46,640 Speaker 3: as safe as it was before, I'm like, Okay, I'm 563 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 3: too exhausted to dream. I don't have what I feel 564 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:53,119 Speaker 3: like I need to continue to be able to blossom 565 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 3: in this space. I've put in so much time here, 566 00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 3: I've done so much for other people here, and I'm 567 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 3: so proud of that, and proud of the teams, and 568 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 3: proud of whatever it is. And what would happen if 569 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 3: I started to dream again for me? I started to 570 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 3: put this time in here for me. And I always 571 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 3: ask this question personally and professionally, and I'm the question 572 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,879 Speaker 3: is if I love myself, if I really love myself, 573 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 3: and by that, if I trust myself, I believe in myself, 574 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:23,200 Speaker 3: I value myself. What I stay here a relationship, a friendship, 575 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 3: a family ship, a business deal. And when the answer 576 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 3: came a bit more clear to me, it's never. 577 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,160 Speaker 4: At the right time. It's never when you think it's 578 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:34,440 Speaker 4: going to be. 579 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 3: It's never at the time when you got the most 580 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 3: money in the ban, when you get whatever whatever. But 581 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:40,199 Speaker 3: it comes at the time when it's clear. And at 582 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 3: that time, I was like, Okay, h I got it 583 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 3: because I've done this before and I'm willing to do 584 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 3: it again because I believe that there is something bigger 585 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 3: than what I'm willing to walk away from. 586 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,120 Speaker 2: Wow, I can't. I can say a lot of people 587 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 2: probably wouldn't have walked away. 588 00:24:57,920 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 4: No. 589 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, So I commend you that because a lot of 590 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 1: people wouldn't have the wherewithal to be like, you know what, 591 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: there is something better, yeah and bigger. 592 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, And this is huge, this is huge and it's 593 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 3: incredible and it's all of these things. 594 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 4: And it's a job and it's a job and I 595 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 4: can get a job. 596 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 3: Listen, clearly not at seven eleven, but I can get 597 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:22,639 Speaker 3: a job it right, But it's the job. But I 598 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,359 Speaker 3: think that when we see these things, we're so attracted 599 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 3: to the light, or we're so attracted to the headline, 600 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,400 Speaker 3: we're so attracted to the press release. And I think 601 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,399 Speaker 3: that if we could all just pause for a second 602 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,160 Speaker 3: and be like, that's great, and that's amazing. And when 603 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 3: you're inside of it and you start to have those questions, 604 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 3: it's like and at what costs? 605 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, you just got to ask yourself. 606 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:42,359 Speaker 3: And for everybody, it might be completely different. If you 607 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 3: want to have a family, if you want to you know, 608 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,200 Speaker 3: do this, if you have other aspirations in your life, 609 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,440 Speaker 3: you know, and a lot of people, I think get 610 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 3: in positions and there's the identity, and that identity is 611 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:58,479 Speaker 3: attractive because people seem see you valuable, and that's feeding 612 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,639 Speaker 3: and insecurity we may have within ourselves to continue to 613 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,119 Speaker 3: be And in a town like this, where it's so 614 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 3: predicated on where you are. 615 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,440 Speaker 2: What you do, and that is the first question you 616 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:12,879 Speaker 2: will ask you what you do first? I had to 617 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:14,640 Speaker 2: tell long ago that is so rude. That's like, don't 618 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:14,879 Speaker 2: do that? 619 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:15,919 Speaker 4: Yeah, And she was like what. 620 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 1: I was like, don't that will start the conversation off 621 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 1: like this, Yeah, But you're so right. 622 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 2: That's exactly how they What do you do? 623 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 4: What do you do? And it's cold for not always, 624 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 4: but it's cold for how much respect should I give you? 625 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 4: How can we work together? How can I use you? 626 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,399 Speaker 3: And it's not always negative, but it's very upfront, and 627 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 3: I don't think that it's always honest. 628 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 4: And I think that. 629 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 3: It's served so much and you had to know I've 630 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 3: had it's good, serve what it needed to serve, and 631 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,680 Speaker 3: it's good. But I do think that we get addicted 632 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 3: to identity and because it gives us a false sense 633 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 3: of power and a false sense of value. 634 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,120 Speaker 4: And I think the thing that I am the most. 635 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:56,680 Speaker 3: Proud of out of all the things that have happened 636 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:58,920 Speaker 3: there is that I was myself the whole time. 637 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 2: Good. I was going to ask you that was ever 638 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 2: a moment where you lost your identity? 639 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 4: That's so good? I was myself the whole time. 640 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:08,199 Speaker 3: And I think when I realized that I was no 641 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 3: longer going to be able to show up as the 642 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:14,199 Speaker 3: Seawan that be flourishing, that is when I was like, 643 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,160 Speaker 3: I can't do that, Yeah, because I if I'm meeting 644 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 3: someone in any capacity, we're meeting each other and you're 645 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 3: meeting me, and I want to be that person for real. 646 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, And I realized. 647 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 3: You know, if I couldn't show up like that, I 648 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 3: don't know that I'm really going to be able to 649 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,399 Speaker 3: add the value that I would be able to add. 650 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:34,879 Speaker 2: No, that's so true. 651 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:36,360 Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah. 652 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 1: In your journey, it seems like it was a lot 653 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:39,880 Speaker 1: of ups and down yah. 654 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 2: Was there ever a moment. 655 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 1: Where depression kicked in or were you like, I need 656 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 1: to see mental health because this is a lot or 657 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,160 Speaker 1: were you always this type person like I would push 658 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 1: through because I know sometimes we I think as black people, 659 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:53,439 Speaker 1: we've it's in us to just push through, you know, 660 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 1: and sometimes not until late probably like the past couple 661 00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 1: of years, mental health and therapy has become a pop yeah, 662 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 1: so to speak, you know, yeah, where before they we 663 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:03,640 Speaker 1: were just like push through. 664 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,200 Speaker 2: Nobody cares, Yeah, push through. 665 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,400 Speaker 1: So was there any moments where you were like ooh, 666 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 1: or that you wish you looking back, you could have 667 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 1: had someone to talk to those times that. 668 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 4: There was just a moment of full depression. Yeah, I 669 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 4: was waiting for you to stop. I was like, yeah, yeah, no, 670 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:19,880 Speaker 4: there was just a moment of full depression. 671 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 3: And I don't know that it was specifically work only, 672 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 3: and always I think that it's just a moment of like, 673 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:29,879 Speaker 3: you fight so hard, you do all the things that 674 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:34,360 Speaker 3: you think you're supposed to do for the world's idea 675 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,119 Speaker 3: of you and what you should be doing, and then 676 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 3: you get in and you're like, why don't I feel 677 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 3: good about this? You know, whether it's I'm on TV 678 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 3: right now, I'm in living room, I dreamed about this, 679 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,240 Speaker 3: I'm at the biggest show in the world, I'm around 680 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 3: the people. I've dreamed about this in different scenarios, not 681 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 3: quite this, but and you almost am like, God, am 682 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 3: I being ungrateful? 683 00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying? Like, am I not? 684 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 3: It's something wrong that I am not fully content in 685 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 3: this moment. And I remember actually one time when I 686 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 3: was going to had different bouts with therapy, when I 687 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 3: was looking for a therapist, and I remember going into 688 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 3: an HR person there and was like, I just want 689 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 3: to find somebody. 690 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:17,720 Speaker 4: And it's so difficult to find it. There. We also 691 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 4: want to talk about that it's so difficult to find 692 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 4: a therapist. They're making it a lot easier now. 693 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 3: And I just remember seeing my name and it was 694 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,480 Speaker 3: like a folder and it was like Sean Finney depression 695 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 3: and then it was like a list of and it 696 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 3: was just like but it was the first time that 697 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 3: I had really seen it like that, and I was 698 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 3: just like, oh, that is where I am. Oh my goodness, 699 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 3: which wasn't a bad thing, but it was an honest thing. 700 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, seeing it in the folder for me, I. 701 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 3: Was just like, well, that is why I said I 702 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 3: wanted to come and talk to y'all. 703 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 4: And I guess so, yeah. 704 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 3: I've had those moments, and those moments honestly started well 705 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 3: before I was working those moments. I've had an amazing 706 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:57,960 Speaker 3: childhood and my biggest enemy was always myself. 707 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 4: Super critical, super very hard, super. 708 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 3: Pressure, a lot of pressure on myself to excel, to succeed, 709 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 3: and I've had to just continue to redefine, but what 710 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 3: does success mean for me? 711 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 4: Now? What a success mean for me now? 712 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 3: Because the artist in me was like, success means getting 713 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 3: the deal I got that I didn't and I didn't 714 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 3: take it right. Success was like the job had that. Yeah, 715 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 3: I'm ready, I can separate from this now, right. And 716 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 3: so it's the continuation for me of redefining what success 717 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 3: means for me in every season, just like we get 718 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 3: different wardrobe for the summer yep, so in this season, 719 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 3: just redefining what that means for me now? 720 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 4: Right. 721 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 2: I love it. 722 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 1: I love it where you are now? You what are 723 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:44,720 Speaker 1: you doing now? 724 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 2: Because I know, yes, the good grades and I'm like, you. 725 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 4: Know, some things will come out very very soon. But but. 726 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,480 Speaker 3: Just because I want the audience to really think about it, 727 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 3: because I think that for a while I felt like 728 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 3: I needed to answer that question and there's a pressure 729 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 3: to answer that question. And the truth is the biggest 730 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 3: project I'm ever going to work on as myself, you 731 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. And so I remember having this 732 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 3: conversation with someone they were like, who are you doing? 733 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:19,440 Speaker 4: Because again it becomes like this thing where it's like, 734 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:21,120 Speaker 4: I need to know how I can work with you 735 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 4: and what we're gonna do. And I was just like, me, 736 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 4: I'm working on me. 737 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 3: And it was really jarring to them because they were like, 738 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 3: oh me, and I was like, no, no, no, I'm working 739 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 3: on me, and they're like yeah, but no, no, no, I'm like, 740 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:33,880 Speaker 3: what project me? 741 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 4: The project is me. The thing I'm looking at is me. 742 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 3: The thing I'm working on is me, me, me and me, 743 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 3: because I'm going to carry me everywhere that I wanted 744 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 3: to go. And I think in this town and in 745 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 3: this time, there is a need to have something to 746 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 3: say for someone else to feel good about you and 747 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 3: where you're going, or to say, oh I thought you 748 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 3: would have been doing, or to feel bad about what 749 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 3: you're doing. 750 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 4: So it's not just always feeling good, right. And I 751 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 4: think for me, I needed to rest. 752 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, ten years, it's a long time. 753 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:05,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a long time. 754 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,360 Speaker 3: Just be like and I'm a whole human, you know, 755 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 3: having my own experiences, right, And I think I needed 756 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 3: to rest. I needed to relax, I needed to release, 757 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 3: I needed to reimagine. 758 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 4: I needed to dream again. And I've been. 759 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,800 Speaker 3: Dreaming again and being able to exercise on some of 760 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 3: those dreams and pay my bills at the same time. 761 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 3: But I think what's also interesting is that we get 762 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 3: to this space where almost I almost takes the emotional thinking, 763 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 3: but to get to this space where we feel so 764 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:37,640 Speaker 3: connected to the things that are not really real in 765 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,840 Speaker 3: our lives about it. And I was really happy to 766 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 3: spend my mom's birthday with her and my brother's birthday. 767 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,760 Speaker 1: With him because. 768 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,840 Speaker 4: I burst out just like going and going and going. 769 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:52,800 Speaker 3: And I appreciate the moments that I've had, and I'm 770 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 3: also appreciating what really really matters in this season where 771 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 3: I'm at right now. 772 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,400 Speaker 4: Yah, working on me. I love it. 773 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 1: It is a pressure of like what's next, what if 774 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,560 Speaker 1: I do it? And people like oh, I thought, no, 775 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 1: Like that's great that. I love when you say I'm 776 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 1: working on me, because. 777 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 2: That's a big project. 778 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,000 Speaker 4: It's the biggest project I ever do. 779 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,239 Speaker 3: And it's like, yeah, I'm doing stuff that is more 780 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 3: visible when I'm working doing some stuff for LA times 781 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,760 Speaker 3: I'm doing working with other filmmakers, and I'm working on 782 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 3: doing strategy and consulting. All that is great too, But 783 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 3: I don't know that I ever necessarily need to answer 784 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 3: the way I used to answer before, and that's nothing 785 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 3: bad about it. 786 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 4: I don't think anyone that does it is bad. 787 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:40,120 Speaker 3: I just think for me, I'm reprogramming for myself to continue. 788 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 4: It's me everywhere I go. It's me. 789 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 3: If I told you I'm landing at this place, or 790 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 3: I'm going to be in house at that place, you 791 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 3: know what I mean. And I think one of the 792 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:49,720 Speaker 3: things that's been a blessing is like I haven't had 793 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:51,880 Speaker 3: to go in house somewhere to survive. 794 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:53,120 Speaker 4: And I think that's. 795 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:56,080 Speaker 3: What's been interesting in the reimagining the dreaming again, where 796 00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 3: I'm like, wait, I can make money doing different things. 797 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,400 Speaker 4: A word to describe my year every year this year. 798 00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 3: Is multiple wow, okay, multiple streams of peace, multiples of love, 799 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,600 Speaker 3: multiple streams of income, multiple streams of income and revenue, 800 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,160 Speaker 3: but also just multiple streams. 801 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 4: Of like healing, you know what I'm saying. 802 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,399 Speaker 3: And in my my in twenty three, when I wasn't 803 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,120 Speaker 3: quite sure yet what was going to happen, my. 804 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 4: Word was illuminate. 805 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,839 Speaker 3: The thing about illumination is that you can only see 806 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:23,880 Speaker 3: how bright something shines. 807 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:25,279 Speaker 4: Checkstaposed the darkness. 808 00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:27,920 Speaker 3: I was in a lot of perceived darkness, which I 809 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:31,040 Speaker 3: now look back and say that was preparation. But in 810 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,879 Speaker 3: my year of probably illuminating the most, there was the 811 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:38,960 Speaker 3: most perception of darkness around. But it was for me 812 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:40,799 Speaker 3: to see how bright I could shine and how bright 813 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:42,880 Speaker 3: I could shine, not how bright I can shine at 814 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:47,239 Speaker 3: this job with this because the title we can there's 815 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,319 Speaker 3: a job we can go on LinkedIn right now. 816 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,760 Speaker 4: There's a lot of jobs. There's a lot of jobs. 817 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:53,920 Speaker 4: But who are you without that? 818 00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,000 Speaker 3: And that's the question I'm always just like when we 819 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,840 Speaker 3: get wrapped up in this because it's so hard acting, creating, 820 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:05,000 Speaker 3: conte producing music, it's so difficult that it almost becomes 821 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,919 Speaker 3: your identity because it's what you're doing all of the time. 822 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,359 Speaker 4: What if you couldn't do that? Who are you? How 823 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,520 Speaker 4: do people answer that question? And so I've just been 824 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:15,560 Speaker 4: working on that myself. 825 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that, that's going to ask myself that 826 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,120 Speaker 1: because I do feel like sometimes we get so wrapped 827 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,560 Speaker 1: up in what we do that it becomes who we are. 828 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:26,920 Speaker 1: And that's not the case at all, Yeah, but it 829 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:28,560 Speaker 1: is when you're so wrapped up. 830 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,879 Speaker 2: In it, it can become that You'll check it. 831 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:32,960 Speaker 3: You get one hundred percent and there's nothing wrong with 832 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,960 Speaker 3: it as long as you can just step out of it, 833 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:40,080 Speaker 3: because it consumed a big part of everything that I 834 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,120 Speaker 3: was doing. When your schedule is crazy, when you're going 835 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:43,719 Speaker 3: from this thing to this and this thing this thing, 836 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,759 Speaker 3: when it's paying your bills, when you've now able to 837 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:48,200 Speaker 3: been able to create a life that. 838 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:49,480 Speaker 4: Before you weren't able to create it. 839 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:51,759 Speaker 3: For I saw when you were talking to Amber and 840 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:53,200 Speaker 3: when you're talking abou how y'all first met. 841 00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 4: We love and she's fly all the time A lot 842 00:35:58,760 --> 00:35:59,640 Speaker 4: of time. We love. 843 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 3: But when she was talking about like I think at 844 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:03,799 Speaker 3: that time you couldn't hear your rent and like the 845 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:05,920 Speaker 3: person that she was working with, so like there was 846 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,200 Speaker 3: there was a time, and now you're living in a 847 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,560 Speaker 3: way where you're like, wow, I wanted this and now 848 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:11,120 Speaker 3: I'm in it. 849 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:14,600 Speaker 4: Yes, you know what I'm saying, So yeah. 850 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:14,480 Speaker 2: That's right. 851 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,240 Speaker 1: You said something about I was too exhausted to dream 852 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,200 Speaker 1: my own dreams, and I had. I was talking to 853 00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,280 Speaker 1: someone and they were like, well, if it's from God, 854 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,680 Speaker 1: you won't be exhausted. You may be tired, but you 855 00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:27,480 Speaker 1: won't be exhausted. And when you said that, it reminded 856 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:29,360 Speaker 1: me that I was like, because I was like this. 857 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,400 Speaker 1: Some times I'm like right on the brink, Like, if 858 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,600 Speaker 1: it's from God, it won't exhaust you. You may be tired, 859 00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:36,880 Speaker 1: but it won't be exhaustion. 860 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,040 Speaker 4: I need to re evaluate a few things. Yeah, No, 861 00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:40,879 Speaker 4: that's really And I. 862 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,160 Speaker 1: Was dan because he won't put more on you than 863 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,799 Speaker 1: you can bear. And I do feel like sometimes I'm 864 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:47,359 Speaker 1: right on the brink of it. I'm like, Okay, Lord, 865 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:49,759 Speaker 1: is this in your wheel because I'm about to. 866 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:55,319 Speaker 4: I'm tired, super tired. Yeah, I'm resting. Yeah. 867 00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, So when you said that, it made me think 868 00:36:58,880 --> 00:36:59,160 Speaker 2: of that. 869 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:00,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, and. 870 00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:07,080 Speaker 3: What are we willing to release in order to step 871 00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,800 Speaker 3: into what we want to become? And it's so easy 872 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,239 Speaker 3: to sit on this beautiful couch, well lit and say that. 873 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,080 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, it's the struggle. It's hard. 874 00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:16,960 Speaker 3: It's hard because your heart is in it. It's hard 875 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:18,279 Speaker 3: because the attachment is in it. 876 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:20,600 Speaker 4: It's hard because identity is in it. 877 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,680 Speaker 3: Whether it's a relationship with someone that you love very much, 878 00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,320 Speaker 3: whether it's a job or someone that you love very much, 879 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,359 Speaker 3: whether it's your relationship with yourself that you're figuring out, 880 00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,960 Speaker 3: or the things that we've Because sometimes you're like is 881 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:35,560 Speaker 3: it intuition or is it insecurity? 882 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,680 Speaker 4: Because sometimes we're like, this is my intuition. 883 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:45,160 Speaker 3: Or is that your insecurity that's causing you to do that? 884 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,520 Speaker 4: And I've been both. I've been both, but I'm. 885 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,759 Speaker 5: Like, that was my intuition lit to me, I mean, 886 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:51,799 Speaker 5: it kind of was my intuition, but it's also my 887 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,719 Speaker 5: insecurity and so like taking that space to actually work 888 00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,960 Speaker 5: on what those things are to be able to decipher 889 00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:58,480 Speaker 5: you know what I mean what that is. 890 00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:03,120 Speaker 3: But speaking about dreaming, what's been interesting to me? Even 891 00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:05,759 Speaker 3: when I was like, Okay, what what is it? What 892 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:07,520 Speaker 3: do I want to do? How do I want to play? 893 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:09,799 Speaker 3: What do I want to do? I just realized my 894 00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,839 Speaker 3: approach to dreaming is different. I'm such a producer, I'm 895 00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:15,680 Speaker 3: such a I need to make it happy. Even before 896 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:20,279 Speaker 3: we were sitting out like what's the angle? But what's 897 00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,320 Speaker 3: been interesting for me in this season is like, Sean, 898 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:23,200 Speaker 3: you've produced a lot. 899 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:24,640 Speaker 4: What are you going to allow. 900 00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,480 Speaker 3: Make space for acceptance and allowance because I'm so used 901 00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,399 Speaker 3: to being like, Okay, I'm gonna do this, put this together, 902 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,359 Speaker 3: and I'm doing and it's like I feel like I 903 00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,279 Speaker 3: have blessings on reserve that were like trying to be 904 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,080 Speaker 3: shipped to me, but I was moving the address, so 905 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,080 Speaker 3: it was like return decender and I needed to actually. 906 00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:44,160 Speaker 4: Sit in the unknowing allow that to happen. 907 00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,560 Speaker 3: Because people want to help you, people want to show 908 00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,239 Speaker 3: up for you. But if you keep moving houses, they 909 00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,080 Speaker 3: keep going to the house looking for you to deliver 910 00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,239 Speaker 3: the package to you. And that person's god try to 911 00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,399 Speaker 3: deliver that to you, it's difficult for him. 912 00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:57,920 Speaker 4: To find you. You know what I'm saying. So my 913 00:38:58,000 --> 00:38:59,960 Speaker 4: approach to dreams have been different. 914 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:04,719 Speaker 3: And then my other thing is is this really my dream? 915 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:06,520 Speaker 3: Or is this the thing that I think I need 916 00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:08,440 Speaker 3: to do to get the bag? Is this the thing 917 00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:09,120 Speaker 3: that I need to do. 918 00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:10,040 Speaker 4: To seem valuable. 919 00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:11,600 Speaker 3: Is this the thing that I need to do to 920 00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:14,640 Speaker 3: seem like I'm doing well? So is it actually my 921 00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:16,560 Speaker 3: dream that I'm dreaming or is this the dream that 922 00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:20,480 Speaker 3: I think I should be dreaming at this phase? And 923 00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,279 Speaker 3: then what am I willing to release? And then the 924 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:27,040 Speaker 3: hardest part is like saying it out loud, writing it down, 925 00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:31,520 Speaker 3: whatever your practice is, with no resistance, no resistance. I 926 00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,680 Speaker 3: want to speak all over the world and get paid 927 00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:34,760 Speaker 3: to speak all over the world. 928 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,840 Speaker 4: That's it not how when? Well, who's going to do that? 929 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:40,600 Speaker 4: You just get to a point where you can say 930 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:42,360 Speaker 4: it and then just let it be. 931 00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,839 Speaker 3: That's been so my approach to dreaming has I've been 932 00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,960 Speaker 3: taking a lot of time on that than just being 933 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,239 Speaker 3: like the dream is this, because the dream is going 934 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,360 Speaker 3: to come. The dream is always shifting and moving. The 935 00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:57,640 Speaker 3: dream is always repositioning itself. Right, it's centered in something, 936 00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,880 Speaker 3: but it's repositioning itself. But how I out to find me? 937 00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:02,800 Speaker 3: That's a change? 938 00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:04,480 Speaker 2: Change, Yeah, that's a change. 939 00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:06,520 Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you just looking at you and 940 00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:08,440 Speaker 1: like you've seen it, Like you're in a very peaceful 941 00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,000 Speaker 1: space right now in your life. 942 00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:12,239 Speaker 2: What what are you doing? 943 00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,799 Speaker 1: What have you what steps have you taken to reach 944 00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:16,960 Speaker 1: this state? Are you in a peaceful place? Because you 945 00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:20,560 Speaker 1: feel very peaceful? And I often want to know, like 946 00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:22,680 Speaker 1: what do people do to like reach that phase in 947 00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:24,799 Speaker 1: their life? And then what are some practices that you 948 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,600 Speaker 1: put in a place that make you feel at most peace? 949 00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:34,000 Speaker 3: Who sometimes sometimes I feel like I'm I feel really peaceful, 950 00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:37,839 Speaker 3: not all the time, sometimes more times than not. Now 951 00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:42,040 Speaker 3: I feel very peaceful, But you're always just like questioning, 952 00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:44,319 Speaker 3: even as confident as you can feel and be your 953 00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:45,480 Speaker 3: questioning like did I do that? 954 00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,000 Speaker 4: Did I am? I? Am? I? Am I? 955 00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:49,160 Speaker 3: The thing that I've been doing a lot is just 956 00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:51,200 Speaker 3: spending time with myself, reminding myself. 957 00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:54,080 Speaker 4: I talk to myself a lot. I talk to myself 958 00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:54,399 Speaker 4: a lot. 959 00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,200 Speaker 2: I love you, oh mmmm, I love that. 960 00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:58,440 Speaker 4: Because I think. 961 00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,840 Speaker 3: I think I've been wanting a lot of other people 962 00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:05,279 Speaker 3: to say certain things to me. 963 00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:08,040 Speaker 4: That I really needed. 964 00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:11,960 Speaker 3: To say to myself, and so I'm speaking to myself 965 00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:17,080 Speaker 3: a lot more. The things that I feel like are limiting, 966 00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,040 Speaker 3: I'm redefining is that even a limit? And who told 967 00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:21,520 Speaker 3: me that was a limit? And so like who am 968 00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:23,239 Speaker 3: I uninterrupted? And what interrupted me? 969 00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:25,200 Speaker 2: What is going on today? 970 00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,040 Speaker 3: I mean, no, it's the same thing, but because it's 971 00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:32,239 Speaker 3: like it's that that feeling of like that really when 972 00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,160 Speaker 3: you sit with yourself without any outside influences and you're 973 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,640 Speaker 3: just like, you know yourself, you know the things that 974 00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:39,439 Speaker 3: you want to work on, the things that you want 975 00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:41,160 Speaker 3: that your heart is calling out, and you're like, I 976 00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:44,920 Speaker 3: don't know how this is going to happen. But I've 977 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,719 Speaker 3: increased speaking to myself because I've been saying I've been 978 00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:53,440 Speaker 3: wanting a love that I think was really vacant within me. 979 00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:54,839 Speaker 4: Not because my parents are great. 980 00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,640 Speaker 3: I had a great childhood, and I think that I 981 00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:02,839 Speaker 3: have allowed profess only certain things because of that that 982 00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:06,920 Speaker 3: need or that value right you do it professionally and personally, 983 00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,879 Speaker 3: and I think that has been the biggest part of it. 984 00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:14,080 Speaker 3: And it's not that I don't speak when I'm not 985 00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,279 Speaker 3: in a but it's who am I speaking it to 986 00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:24,560 Speaker 3: That's changed a lot for me, because I realize some 987 00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:28,160 Speaker 3: people will hold space for you. Everybody won't hold space 988 00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:34,240 Speaker 3: for you at your moments where you're changing and finding yourself, 989 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:38,080 Speaker 3: you know. And so I've been doing my best to 990 00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,520 Speaker 3: replace a lot of that. But I'm peaceful most of 991 00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:44,040 Speaker 3: the time. I feel peaceful most of the time. I 992 00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:49,560 Speaker 3: am confident in the fact that I have seen God 993 00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,640 Speaker 3: do so many things in my life that that's not 994 00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:53,120 Speaker 3: the thing. 995 00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:54,960 Speaker 4: I'm questioning, you know what I mean? 996 00:42:56,239 --> 00:43:00,520 Speaker 3: Even when I don't know how you're question I'm like, 997 00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:02,160 Speaker 3: I know what's coming, I may not know what it is. 998 00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:03,960 Speaker 3: Am I willing to wait for it? Am I willing 999 00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:05,719 Speaker 3: to release something without knowing what's on the. 1000 00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:07,680 Speaker 4: Other side of it? What am I willing to become 1001 00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:08,480 Speaker 4: in order to do that? 1002 00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,759 Speaker 3: Am I willing to do the harder thing? But I've 1003 00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:14,240 Speaker 3: learned I can do hard things. I can do hard things. 1004 00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:16,920 Speaker 3: I need to write people around me. I need to 1005 00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,560 Speaker 3: be the right person to be around as well. But 1006 00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,359 Speaker 3: I can do hard things. So yeah, I mean I am. 1007 00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:24,840 Speaker 3: I'm at a good place right now. I am in 1008 00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:26,359 Speaker 3: a good place right now. And when I'm not at 1009 00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:27,760 Speaker 3: a good place, I'm honest about that. 1010 00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,759 Speaker 2: That's good. That's good. Does it ever feel heavy too? 1011 00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:33,200 Speaker 1: Because I'm sure like a lot of people look at 1012 00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:34,440 Speaker 1: you like you've got it all together? 1013 00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:35,799 Speaker 2: Does it ever get heavy? 1014 00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:39,279 Speaker 1: Because even when you walk in here, it's like. 1015 00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,560 Speaker 2: Like you ever feel like you got to be like at. 1016 00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,560 Speaker 1: A certain energy and like because you just just because 1017 00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:45,440 Speaker 1: you know, some days you just don't feel like that. 1018 00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:47,440 Speaker 2: But like when we see you, it's just like. 1019 00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:52,040 Speaker 4: You know, you might be like I don't feel like no, no, Well. 1020 00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,680 Speaker 3: You know what the honest thing is is that I 1021 00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:59,640 Speaker 3: spend a lot of time alone as much as I can. Yeah, 1022 00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:03,600 Speaker 3: I am extroverted. 1023 00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:05,200 Speaker 4: I'm also very introverted. 1024 00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:07,920 Speaker 2: I'm like the biggest introverted extrovert. 1025 00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:11,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, It's like I can go out and do the things, 1026 00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,319 Speaker 3: I also need time to just like recharge and do 1027 00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,200 Speaker 3: whatever the thing is that I need to do, whether 1028 00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:18,959 Speaker 3: that's you know what I'm saying, catching up on something 1029 00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,640 Speaker 3: on the show, and it's just like being at the crab. 1030 00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,080 Speaker 3: That's why the gym is important for me. Fitness is 1031 00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:30,480 Speaker 3: very important for me. It's no but the benefits of it, 1032 00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:34,120 Speaker 3: I think, are you know, aesthetic, but it's mental for me. 1033 00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:37,200 Speaker 4: And for me, it's also mental the discipline. 1034 00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,240 Speaker 3: Because I've realized whatever I want and as I continue 1035 00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:42,080 Speaker 3: to dream bigger, it's a higher level of discipline required. 1036 00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:43,680 Speaker 4: It's a higher level. 1037 00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,239 Speaker 3: Of releasing required, it's a higher level of decisiveness, It's 1038 00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:49,319 Speaker 3: a higher level of what are you willing to really 1039 00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,240 Speaker 3: let go of to do this? 1040 00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:53,480 Speaker 1: I feel like we need to change the title. You 1041 00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:55,680 Speaker 1: know that keeps coming up and that's a real thing. 1042 00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:56,839 Speaker 2: What are you willing to. 1043 00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:58,399 Speaker 4: Let go of? What are you willing to let go off? 1044 00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:00,719 Speaker 3: Because it's like it's we all don't want to like 1045 00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:02,520 Speaker 3: be the Space Shuttle, and we all want to take off, 1046 00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,240 Speaker 3: and the Space Shuttle takes off. What the Space Shuttle 1047 00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:10,120 Speaker 3: goes into space with is not what it took off with. Yeah, 1048 00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:13,200 Speaker 3: the boosters, all of that, everything drops off and things 1049 00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:14,400 Speaker 3: drop off as you get. 1050 00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:15,000 Speaker 4: To next levels. 1051 00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:16,280 Speaker 2: It's the same with us. 1052 00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,880 Speaker 3: But sometimes we I have wanted to hold on to things, 1053 00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:24,520 Speaker 3: situations and circumstances because it feels good, because it's comfortable, 1054 00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:26,919 Speaker 3: because you love it, because you love them, because because 1055 00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,200 Speaker 3: you love the job, you love what it's giving you. 1056 00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:31,520 Speaker 4: But I also know that I'm supposed to go to space, 1057 00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,799 Speaker 4: and so like, I can't get there with those things. 1058 00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,640 Speaker 3: And so like life will cause you, like the things 1059 00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:40,000 Speaker 3: that you take off with aren't always the things that can. 1060 00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:44,880 Speaker 4: Go with you the hard way? Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1061 00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:46,399 Speaker 2: The hard way. And that's so true. 1062 00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:49,360 Speaker 1: My therapist when I was going through a season my 1063 00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,040 Speaker 1: life I called the purging season, or I was having 1064 00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:53,799 Speaker 1: to let people go and things go. 1065 00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,080 Speaker 4: I'm glad I was on that list. I made it 1066 00:45:56,080 --> 00:46:00,680 Speaker 4: through the purging. 1067 00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:01,480 Speaker 2: It got real. 1068 00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:04,600 Speaker 1: But she said to me, she said, Crystal, everyone that 1069 00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,720 Speaker 1: came with you can't go. And even that in itself 1070 00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:11,239 Speaker 1: was like, Okay, this is this is just a part 1071 00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,160 Speaker 1: of you know, and it really is. It's a part 1072 00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:15,279 Speaker 1: of evolution, is a part of life. It's a part 1073 00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:18,359 Speaker 1: of growing. And I think when you realize that it's 1074 00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,879 Speaker 1: it's not always a bad thing. You know it's okay, 1075 00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:22,920 Speaker 1: I've got grown this. 1076 00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:24,480 Speaker 2: Or this means I'm going to another level. 1077 00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:26,600 Speaker 1: And most times it's a it's a good thing, and 1078 00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,839 Speaker 1: you're ridding yourself of some person or thing that wasn't 1079 00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:30,600 Speaker 1: good for you anyway. 1080 00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,080 Speaker 3: And the real thing is sometimes you're the thing you 1081 00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:37,640 Speaker 3: need to let go. Yes, yes, sometimes you're the limited belief. 1082 00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:38,640 Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. 1083 00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,319 Speaker 3: And I've done that too, where oh it's that thing, 1084 00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:47,359 Speaker 3: that thing, and I'm like, oh, my ideas, my things 1085 00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:49,440 Speaker 3: that are no longer serving where I actually want to go, 1086 00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:52,279 Speaker 3: how I need to move forward in life, and I 1087 00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:54,000 Speaker 3: can't get there because of me. 1088 00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:58,400 Speaker 1: And I tell you that's so true. I had a 1089 00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:00,759 Speaker 1: cousin of mine. I was like, you, you gotta get 1090 00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,600 Speaker 1: at this mindset. You're never gonna grow if you keep 1091 00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:04,960 Speaker 1: thinking this, And. 1092 00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:06,160 Speaker 2: She was like, I didn't think about that. 1093 00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:08,239 Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I was like, I don't think 1094 00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:10,359 Speaker 1: the same way. I thought, you know what I'm saying 1095 00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:11,920 Speaker 1: when I was twenty, Yeah, you know what I'm saying. 1096 00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:14,160 Speaker 1: Then when I turned thirty, I didn't think the same way. 1097 00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:14,359 Speaker 4: Then. 1098 00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:17,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I said, you continue to grow and you have 1099 00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:18,960 Speaker 2: to evolve with where you're going. 1100 00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:21,759 Speaker 1: Or you'll never grow, And that is celtry. Sometimes we 1101 00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:23,960 Speaker 1: can be our own worst enemy and. 1102 00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:27,880 Speaker 3: Be like and just asking the question, poking the holes, 1103 00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,640 Speaker 3: like what is growth for me? Because growth for me 1104 00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:34,160 Speaker 3: might be something different, right, growth for your cousin, growth 1105 00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:34,360 Speaker 3: for it. 1106 00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:38,800 Speaker 4: You know, success all these things cause like being able 1107 00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:39,560 Speaker 4: to move. 1108 00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:43,920 Speaker 3: And do different things and walk away from a job 1109 00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,280 Speaker 3: or a career or a thing that you once thought 1110 00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:49,120 Speaker 3: was a thing. Right, that's that might be the most 1111 00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:51,320 Speaker 3: successful thing you ever did, and to somebody else is 1112 00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:52,160 Speaker 3: a big question mark. 1113 00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:56,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, when I like, what are you're gonna go to 1114 00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:57,759 Speaker 1: Atlanta pursue music? 1115 00:47:58,560 --> 00:47:58,759 Speaker 4: Yeah? 1116 00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:02,760 Speaker 2: I literally quit a very stable job with benefits and. 1117 00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:06,440 Speaker 1: Health insurance to go do something I had no idea 1118 00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:08,520 Speaker 1: like how I was going to do it or anything. 1119 00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:11,439 Speaker 2: And everybody's looking to be like, you need to pray 1120 00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:11,799 Speaker 2: about that. 1121 00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:16,080 Speaker 3: The way, Yeah, and because and see that's the thing, 1122 00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:17,880 Speaker 3: And because you prayed about it, they think you're supposed 1123 00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:18,960 Speaker 3: to have an immediate answer to it. 1124 00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,879 Speaker 4: And it's like that's the faith. That's the walk. The 1125 00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:24,400 Speaker 4: walk is walking without. 1126 00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:26,960 Speaker 3: The thing being completely clear, but walking anyway, you know 1127 00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:27,520 Speaker 3: what I'm saying. 1128 00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:29,040 Speaker 4: And I think that like we. 1129 00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:34,000 Speaker 3: People project their ideas of what faith is and the 1130 00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,799 Speaker 3: and the limitations of what it can be. Sometimes they 1131 00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:38,520 Speaker 3: do it to protect you, they do, but they think 1132 00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:40,759 Speaker 3: they're doing it to protect you. But you went from 1133 00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,759 Speaker 3: there music, costume design and what if you're stand on 1134 00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:46,080 Speaker 3: the hill and there's nothing wrong with anyone who's still 1135 00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:46,279 Speaker 3: on that. 1136 00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:49,280 Speaker 4: Hell, y'all stay on the hill, but you're. 1137 00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,640 Speaker 3: You're on your own hill. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. 1138 00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:54,319 Speaker 3: And that's the part about it is where it's like, 1139 00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:56,920 Speaker 3: what are you willing to walk away from to step 1140 00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:57,880 Speaker 3: into something different? 1141 00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:00,560 Speaker 2: Me earlier? 1142 00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, what I had learned about myself in this whole process. Yeah, 1143 00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:05,680 Speaker 1: and I was like doing it scared, Yeah, because a 1144 00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:07,239 Speaker 1: lot of times you don't know what's on the other 1145 00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:08,600 Speaker 1: side of that step that. 1146 00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:09,120 Speaker 2: You have to take. 1147 00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:11,000 Speaker 4: Yeah. And I think too, Crystal. 1148 00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:19,399 Speaker 3: It's like we romanticize success, we romanticize love, romanticize. 1149 00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:21,000 Speaker 4: What it is, and we make it this. 1150 00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:23,640 Speaker 3: If it's hard, that must mean it's not for me. 1151 00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:26,759 Speaker 3: Or if it doesn't work out that one time, that 1152 00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,759 Speaker 3: must mean it's not for me. That's why there's auditions, right, 1153 00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:31,520 Speaker 3: because you go on auditions you don't get everything. 1154 00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:33,239 Speaker 4: You go on an audition for it. Here's the other thing. 1155 00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:36,239 Speaker 4: The person who got the thing is necessarily better than 1156 00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:38,160 Speaker 4: you either, you know what I'm saying. 1157 00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:41,560 Speaker 3: And so like the constant audition of life is going 1158 00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:44,200 Speaker 3: at it and expecting and knowing that you will be 1159 00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:46,120 Speaker 3: told no, that it's not going to work, that you 1160 00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:47,440 Speaker 3: didn't get picked this time. 1161 00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,239 Speaker 4: But that doesn't mean that it's not for you. 1162 00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:52,640 Speaker 3: It could just be known not right now, right And 1163 00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:54,520 Speaker 3: I think that's a hard thing to kind of process 1164 00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:57,280 Speaker 3: when it's someone's dreams and someone's going after the dreams 1165 00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,239 Speaker 3: with all of their money in their pocket right now. 1166 00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,239 Speaker 3: Somebody's going to the dream staying on somebody's couch, so 1167 00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:03,880 Speaker 3: to dreams, living in their car right now, and they 1168 00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:06,799 Speaker 3: can't have another no. But that that no is only 1169 00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:10,280 Speaker 3: really kind of really propelling you towards a guest yes later. 1170 00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:11,480 Speaker 4: But it's your yes. 1171 00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:14,960 Speaker 3: It's a yes that's going to be undeniable yes. And 1172 00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:16,440 Speaker 3: when you get the yes, it might not look like 1173 00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:17,080 Speaker 3: you think it is. 1174 00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:19,839 Speaker 2: It never does, but it blows your mind. It's like, ah, 1175 00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:21,319 Speaker 2: I never thought it was gonna be this. 1176 00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:24,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, everybody's trying out for the NFL. Everyone's not going 1177 00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:26,440 Speaker 3: to be the star football player. No, but you might 1178 00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:29,680 Speaker 3: be the coach, might be the chairman, you might have 1179 00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:31,560 Speaker 3: other different avenues and how you. 1180 00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:32,080 Speaker 4: Can be in it. 1181 00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:34,000 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, and the same thing, but 1182 00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:36,680 Speaker 3: we have such a distorted view I think of what 1183 00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:37,960 Speaker 3: it can be because you're. 1184 00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:40,440 Speaker 4: So protective and precious about what we think it can be. 1185 00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,920 Speaker 1: To close, Sean, I want to ask you what brings 1186 00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:48,600 Speaker 1: you joy. 1187 00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:53,960 Speaker 3: Right now? No, seriously, and I say that. 1188 00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:58,440 Speaker 4: No. I say that because it's like everything else is 1189 00:50:58,480 --> 00:50:59,200 Speaker 4: so temporary. 1190 00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:02,319 Speaker 3: I can tell you what brings me Joy's like I 1191 00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:04,160 Speaker 3: can go get this, I can go buy this, I 1192 00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:05,240 Speaker 3: can go make this money. 1193 00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:05,919 Speaker 4: I can go. Yeah. 1194 00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:10,720 Speaker 3: Community brings me joy, having conversations, being able to share 1195 00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:14,760 Speaker 3: when things aren't good, being able to leave a voice note, 1196 00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,200 Speaker 3: being able to get one back, being able to pray 1197 00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:20,600 Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, and being able to remind 1198 00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:23,880 Speaker 3: myself that like, I'm valuable, I'm lovable even with the 1199 00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:26,799 Speaker 3: things that I'm working through and figuring out, and being 1200 00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:29,360 Speaker 3: able to have some of the other side of the couch. 1201 00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:30,799 Speaker 4: That's like I see you, and. 1202 00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:32,640 Speaker 3: You're doing good, even though you're not where you think 1203 00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:34,239 Speaker 3: you want to do, where you want to be right now. 1204 00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:37,160 Speaker 4: What's bringing me Joy's community? 1205 00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:40,960 Speaker 2: I love it, Sean. Thank you you are such a delight. 1206 00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:43,000 Speaker 4: Thank you so much. I love you and I'm so 1207 00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:44,759 Speaker 4: proud of you. I love you too. Yeah, I love 1208 00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:45,239 Speaker 4: you so much. 1209 00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:49,600 Speaker 1: So the close out of the show, we're going to 1210 00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:51,240 Speaker 1: do what we call positive outcomes. 1211 00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:51,719 Speaker 4: Oh dope. 1212 00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:55,560 Speaker 2: The listeners right in and we give them advice. 1213 00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:56,320 Speaker 4: Oh dope. 1214 00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:59,920 Speaker 2: So this letter is from Soriah. I'm Sarriah. 1215 00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:02,640 Speaker 1: I have in the past five years been big on 1216 00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:06,400 Speaker 1: personal development and mental health and becoming more productive and 1217 00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:10,000 Speaker 1: planning for my and my family's future as well as 1218 00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:12,000 Speaker 1: a wife of almost ten years. 1219 00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:12,800 Speaker 2: With two kids. 1220 00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:15,839 Speaker 1: At some point five years ago, I felt lost, so 1221 00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:18,359 Speaker 1: I started working back to find me and what makes 1222 00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:22,440 Speaker 1: me happy. I started school, received my associates, and now 1223 00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:24,600 Speaker 1: I'm in school for my bachelor degree and Child and 1224 00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:28,000 Speaker 1: Family studies and will graduate July twenty twenty five with 1225 00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:31,359 Speaker 1: my bachelor degree. I see the same therapists for over 1226 00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:35,800 Speaker 1: the past four years now and have definitely done the work. 1227 00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:39,560 Speaker 1: Yet I get these spurts of feeling disappointment and dissatisfaction 1228 00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:43,080 Speaker 1: with myself that sends me into a depressed state of mind. 1229 00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:46,279 Speaker 1: Feelings that I'm not sure if I'm doing enough or 1230 00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:49,000 Speaker 1: if I could be doing better. In between all this, 1231 00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:51,440 Speaker 1: I am trying to also build my business as an 1232 00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:55,800 Speaker 1: educational consultant for preschool age children. There are many times 1233 00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:58,720 Speaker 1: I almost feel that I am truly thriving my purpose, 1234 00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:01,759 Speaker 1: almost questioning God, are you sure this is what I'm 1235 00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:05,200 Speaker 1: supposed to be doing, because the minimum support I receive 1236 00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:08,360 Speaker 1: makes me second guess a lot. I know you're not 1237 00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:11,319 Speaker 1: supposed to think about what other's opinions are, but it's 1238 00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:14,320 Speaker 1: hard to say that. I don't any suggestions on saying 1239 00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:16,960 Speaker 1: focus with trying to be an entrepreneur despite the lack 1240 00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:20,799 Speaker 1: of support, even when you know it's for you, it's right. 1241 00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:25,800 Speaker 4: That's a beautiful It is beautiful and prouder. She's graduated 1242 00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:26,879 Speaker 4: in July twenty five. 1243 00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:32,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, here's the thing. Here's what I'm practicing Sian listening. 1244 00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:35,520 Speaker 3: This is what I'm practicing. I'm practicing when I'm in 1245 00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:39,840 Speaker 3: a good space, I write it down when I'm feeling good, 1246 00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:43,399 Speaker 3: when I'm hearing clearly God's direction, when I'm feeling good 1247 00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:45,200 Speaker 3: about what I'm doing, I write it down because i 1248 00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:47,520 Speaker 3: know there's gonna be a day that I don't feel good 1249 00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:49,640 Speaker 3: and I need to come back towards the truth. I 1250 00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:52,840 Speaker 3: think sometimes the fear to us feels so true and 1251 00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:55,880 Speaker 3: it's a lie because it's the worry of what could 1252 00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:59,240 Speaker 3: be for so many different reasons. Yes, but the truth 1253 00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:02,840 Speaker 3: is the truth, and so I always like to create 1254 00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:04,960 Speaker 3: a space to come back to the truth, and like, 1255 00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:05,919 Speaker 3: this is what I'm doing. 1256 00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:07,480 Speaker 4: Second of all, I feel my feelings. 1257 00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:09,799 Speaker 3: Yeah, so when I feel bad, I'm not the person 1258 00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:12,719 Speaker 3: who's like, you shouldn't feel I feel bad. I let 1259 00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:15,480 Speaker 3: myself feel bad. It's like a cold. I feel my 1260 00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:18,040 Speaker 3: throat getting scratched. I'm like, I'm gonna take the medicine 1261 00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:18,440 Speaker 3: need to take. 1262 00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:20,319 Speaker 4: But in order for it to go, it has to 1263 00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:20,920 Speaker 4: pass through. 1264 00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:23,759 Speaker 3: Now, everybody's passing through some two weeks too long, So 1265 00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:27,319 Speaker 3: you got things to do. But I'm honest about how 1266 00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:30,000 Speaker 3: I feel, and I go back to the truth because 1267 00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:33,160 Speaker 3: the truth is and it gives you permission, right because 1268 00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:35,360 Speaker 3: and I think we're not being honest with ourselves about anything. 1269 00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:37,000 Speaker 4: In entrepreneurship is so difficult. 1270 00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:40,760 Speaker 3: It has stretched so many ideas of what I thought 1271 00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:44,480 Speaker 3: and how, and people make it seem and be very easy, 1272 00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:46,520 Speaker 3: and it's not, And I think that if so, I 1273 00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:49,600 Speaker 3: would to realize and understand that everything she's experiencing, the 1274 00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:52,359 Speaker 3: person she admires the most is also experiencing the same thing. 1275 00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:55,040 Speaker 4: But that person goes back to their truth. So I 1276 00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:55,919 Speaker 4: would write down the truth. 1277 00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:57,520 Speaker 3: I would write down what God is saying to me 1278 00:54:57,719 --> 00:54:59,960 Speaker 3: in the moments when it's sad, as highest when it's real, 1279 00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:03,359 Speaker 3: because if I'm operating from that place of deficiency, which 1280 00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:04,799 Speaker 3: is fear, which is so normal, we. 1281 00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:05,160 Speaker 4: All do it. 1282 00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:08,400 Speaker 3: I do it all the time, that's not the truth 1283 00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:09,880 Speaker 3: of where and who we are. 1284 00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:10,520 Speaker 2: No, it's not. 1285 00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:12,600 Speaker 4: That's so good. 1286 00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:15,239 Speaker 3: And also I would tell her write down, write down 1287 00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:17,160 Speaker 3: what she's done, because even just in that, she's already 1288 00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:21,040 Speaker 3: done so much. Yeah, I'm like, you've already done so 1289 00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:22,719 Speaker 3: much that sometimes when your head. 1290 00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:25,120 Speaker 4: Is down and you're just walking, you're not able to 1291 00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:25,480 Speaker 4: see it. 1292 00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:27,759 Speaker 3: When I first started learning how to drive, I would 1293 00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:29,839 Speaker 3: drive and I would look down, like at the hood, 1294 00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:31,600 Speaker 3: because I'm like, my Dad's like, you got to look 1295 00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:32,839 Speaker 3: further down the road. 1296 00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:36,400 Speaker 4: So the same thing, like just look further down, but 1297 00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:38,480 Speaker 4: just look back in the rear view mirror and be like, 1298 00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:40,960 Speaker 4: I'm twenty four exits past where I used to be. 1299 00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:43,839 Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, That's what I would said. 1300 00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:44,399 Speaker 2: It is so good. 1301 00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:51,680 Speaker 1: The next thing we do is what I'm going through 1302 00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:53,040 Speaker 1: and what I'm growing through. 1303 00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:56,560 Speaker 4: Yes, and for me. 1304 00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:06,440 Speaker 1: In this season, I am growing going through just really 1305 00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:14,080 Speaker 1: understanding that everything is in God's time, because I do 1306 00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:17,720 Speaker 1: still sometimes like Okay, sometimes I'll put God the timeline. 1307 00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:21,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, this going. 1308 00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:23,279 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, we need to get this done. 1309 00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:25,399 Speaker 1: But I've learned to just let him do his thing 1310 00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:27,560 Speaker 1: because there are sometimes where I'm like, Okay, Lord, like 1311 00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:29,640 Speaker 1: I've been waiting for a long time, like when. 1312 00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:31,600 Speaker 4: Are we gonna move in this area? Yeah? 1313 00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:32,839 Speaker 2: So still trying to. 1314 00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:36,319 Speaker 1: Be patient and and not rush him because I know 1315 00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:38,239 Speaker 1: sometimes when we do that, he'll get going to give 1316 00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:40,200 Speaker 1: us what we asked for, but it ain't what we want. 1317 00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:42,680 Speaker 2: So that's what I'm going through and growing through. 1318 00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:47,239 Speaker 3: What am I going through and growing through? I think 1319 00:56:48,280 --> 00:57:03,799 Speaker 3: I'm going through change, and I think change always feels uncomfortable, 1320 00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:08,080 Speaker 3: but it's also right where I'm supposed to be. So 1321 00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:11,200 Speaker 3: it's an interesting concept of like I'm going through things 1322 00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:15,719 Speaker 3: out of my element that are so different but also 1323 00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:17,440 Speaker 3: so necessary for where I'm. 1324 00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:17,919 Speaker 4: About to go. 1325 00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:21,760 Speaker 3: And so I think I'm going through understanding, releasing what was, 1326 00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:23,840 Speaker 3: and stepping into. 1327 00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:24,080 Speaker 4: What will be. 1328 00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:28,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that isn't always as easy as it seems. 1329 00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:32,680 Speaker 3: And we glamorize romanticize stepping into your next version of yourself, 1330 00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:36,080 Speaker 3: but we don't often talk about it's okay to miss 1331 00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:39,040 Speaker 3: something that you had, because that's the truth. You're human, right, 1332 00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:42,040 Speaker 3: It's okay to miss aspects of certain things or people 1333 00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:45,840 Speaker 3: or situations or circumstances. And I think I'm going through 1334 00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:49,240 Speaker 3: realizing that every level is going to require a new 1335 00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:51,320 Speaker 3: level of not only my faith, but a new level 1336 00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:53,440 Speaker 3: of releasing from me. 1337 00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:54,360 Speaker 2: That's good. 1338 00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:55,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's good. 1339 00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:03,040 Speaker 1: And the last thing we do is keep it blank, sweety. 1340 00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:06,680 Speaker 1: And for this one, I will say, keep it disciplined, 1341 00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:12,240 Speaker 1: sweetie m. We talked about every level type of discipline. 1342 00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:15,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, in every state disciplined, sweetie. 1343 00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:15,680 Speaker 4: Yeah. 1344 00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:21,200 Speaker 3: And keep it blooming, sweety, because keep it blooming scar 1345 00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:23,720 Speaker 3: Because I think the thing about it is that like 1346 00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:28,840 Speaker 3: we're just looking at the flower, but underneath are the roots, Yeah, 1347 00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:31,440 Speaker 3: and how far that is and how deep that is, 1348 00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:33,400 Speaker 3: And it's in seasons, right when you're looking at the 1349 00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:36,120 Speaker 3: trees in the wintertime. It looks like it's dead, but 1350 00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:38,040 Speaker 3: all the energy is really at the bottom, so just 1351 00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:39,040 Speaker 3: keep it blooming, Sweety. 1352 00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:42,200 Speaker 4: I love it, Yeah, I love you. 1353 00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:45,640 Speaker 2: Oh God heard, Oh my gosh. 1354 00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:47,720 Speaker 1: Guys, thank you so much for tuning to this episode 1355 00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:49,720 Speaker 1: of Keep It Positive, Sweety. If you want to write 1356 00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:52,200 Speaker 1: into our Positive Outcome listener letter, you can write in 1357 00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:54,080 Speaker 1: to keep It Positivesweety at gmail. 1358 00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:55,520 Speaker 2: Dot com and as Sweetye with an Ie. 1359 00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:58,400 Speaker 1: You can follow me on all platforms at l u 1360 00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:00,840 Speaker 1: V christorinee and tell the people they can. 1361 00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:05,760 Speaker 3: Find you Instagram, Sean finnybe Flourishing, Twitter, Shanbie blooming. 1362 00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:08,160 Speaker 4: And that's really it. 1363 00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:12,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, tapping with Sean, stay up to date with all 1364 00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:14,440 Speaker 1: the amazing things that he has coming up in the future. 1365 00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:17,040 Speaker 1: And if you want a little sunshine you're light, just 1366 00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:17,919 Speaker 1: follow him right now. 1367 00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:19,080 Speaker 4: You'll definitely get that. 1368 00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:21,000 Speaker 1: All right, guys, thank you so much for tuning into 1369 00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:22,240 Speaker 1: this episode of Keep It Positive. 1370 00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:22,640 Speaker 2: Sweetie. 1371 00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:25,120 Speaker 1: In the meantime in between times, you know what to do. 1372 00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:26,480 Speaker 1: Keep it positive, Sweetie. 1373 00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:35,280 Speaker 2: Bye,