WEBVTT - Letters from Paradise

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<v Speaker 1>This is the Ben and Ashley I almost Famous podcast

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<v Speaker 1>with iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>It's almost famous podcast. It's been and Ashley back here,

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<v Speaker 2>and we wanted to do a quick little recap on

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<v Speaker 2>the feedback we've seen and also kind of heard about

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<v Speaker 2>this new season of Paradise, because, after all, the show

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<v Speaker 2>has resonated with his audiences in a way that's all

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<v Speaker 2>this positive and negative, kind of like we were breaking

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<v Speaker 2>down on our Bachelor in Paradise recap before we get

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<v Speaker 2>into it. The premiere was Monday. Uh, and we've been

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<v Speaker 2>watching you and listening to you, and we're gonna try

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<v Speaker 2>to do our best of encapsulating everything that's been said

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<v Speaker 2>so far. Actually, I'll start it out here. I think

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<v Speaker 2>Tanner Tolbert's post.

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<v Speaker 3>Mike, you haven't pulled up Ben, are we mind reading?

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<v Speaker 4>I literally just pulled it up for this conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like you and I are like really clicking

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<v Speaker 2>right now.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, today we're having a day.

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<v Speaker 2>You are having a day, Ashley. Go ahead and read

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<v Speaker 2>it because I think it's the perfect breakdown of how

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<v Speaker 2>I felt, maybe how fans are feeling, because it wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>pure hate. It's it's kind of a divorce from the

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<v Speaker 2>old entering into the new. I'm not quite sure how

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<v Speaker 2>I feel, But Tanner said a lot of things well

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<v Speaker 2>in this post.

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<v Speaker 4>Totally okay.

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<v Speaker 3>So he said, Bachelor in Paradise is now Timu Island, which,

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<v Speaker 3>if you're not familiar with Timu, it is like the

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<v Speaker 3>cheaper version of Amazon products. It's the Sheian, It's the

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<v Speaker 3>Forever twenty one rip Forever twenty one. He's saying it's

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<v Speaker 3>the cheap version of Love Island. He said, these producers

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<v Speaker 3>are just trying to copy Love Island but are executing

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<v Speaker 3>it poorly.

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<v Speaker 4>The new location is silly.

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<v Speaker 3>Either get a badass villa if you're gonna copy Love Island,

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<v Speaker 3>or stay in Paradise. This generic resort falls short of

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<v Speaker 3>somewhere in the middle, very stale feeling. The dream scenes

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<v Speaker 3>are so cheesy and force. This was very a very

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<v Speaker 3>popular opinion on social media. My bad for thinking that

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<v Speaker 3>these scenes were.

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<v Speaker 4>Like kind of fine, like kind of funny.

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<v Speaker 3>In which I said on our last episode, he said,

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<v Speaker 3>having the cast stay in separate hotel rooms is dumb.

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<v Speaker 3>It limits the amount of interaction and discussion between the

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<v Speaker 3>cast mates. I totally believe that that is one of

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<v Speaker 3>the major flaws in the new system. Having the cast

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<v Speaker 3>day in ceret rooms is just like, Okay, it's dating time,

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<v Speaker 3>and then it's like go to bedtime. It's just it's

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<v Speaker 3>not it's just not paradise whatsoever. And then he said

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<v Speaker 3>he's still hopeful that this cast can produce some good storylines.

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<v Speaker 3>I truly am I'm not sure about I don't think

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<v Speaker 3>there's gonna be a ton but I do think that

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<v Speaker 3>there is some good relationship meet forming overall.

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<v Speaker 4>He did a.

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<v Speaker 3>Poll said do you think would you like the new VIP?

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<v Speaker 3>Only thirteen percent said yes, eighty seven percent said no.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey let me pause you there. It goes kind of

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<v Speaker 2>against the poll that we did on Instagram. We got

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of great results coming in from our listeners.

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<v Speaker 2>The first question we asked on our pool was do

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<v Speaker 2>you like the new filming of the resort? Like the

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<v Speaker 2>new filming resort, so the one that they're filming in

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<v Speaker 2>now fifty five percent said yes, forty five percent so

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<v Speaker 2>that they missed the old one. We also asked this question,

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<v Speaker 2>do you like all the Dale months Moss entrance attention?

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<v Speaker 2>Seventy percent said they did not like it at all.

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<v Speaker 2>Thirty percent said they did because he's handsome. The final

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<v Speaker 2>question we asked was do you like money being involved

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<v Speaker 2>in Paradise? Twenty six percent said yes they loved the

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<v Speaker 2>competition of it all, while seventy four percent and know

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<v Speaker 2>this should be about finding love.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>I think a little bit of that is based on

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<v Speaker 2>how we asked the question. However, the thing I want

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<v Speaker 2>to focus on first with you, Ashley, before we getting

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<v Speaker 2>anything else, and the thing I was most interested in

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<v Speaker 2>is really two topics. You know, I didn't love all

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<v Speaker 2>the Dale Moss love, but I can't hate on some

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<v Speaker 2>dude getting some support.

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<v Speaker 3>What people are saying that that is the bombshell entered

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<v Speaker 3>the villa that they have on Love Island, like he

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<v Speaker 3>was supposed to be the bombshell.

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<v Speaker 4>Which, yes, that is a extreme similarity.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, I will say it this way. I don't hate

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know Dale, so I can't say if he's good, bad,

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<v Speaker 2>and different. I don't love any of anybody getting kind

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<v Speaker 2>of put on a pedestal in these experiences. I think

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<v Speaker 2>all of them are beautiful, all of them are there

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<v Speaker 2>to find love. I like equal playing fields in Paradise

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<v Speaker 2>because it's fun to see the Tanner Tolbert's Mary the

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<v Speaker 2>Jades of the world, which nobody would have expected. Now

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<v Speaker 2>that Tanner's in not a handsome dude, he is, He's

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<v Speaker 2>a great guy.

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<v Speaker 3>Funny Jade was the bombshell who entered the villain exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's why I say I like during these kind

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<v Speaker 2>of shows, especially Paradise, who does it, I think better

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<v Speaker 2>than anybody when it comes to the equal playing field.

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<v Speaker 2>The Dylan's marrying the Hannahs, like, those are the scenarios

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<v Speaker 2>that stand out in my mind that I love. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think putting anybody on a pedestal makes them so

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<v Speaker 2>much of the pursuit that a lot of these kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like maybe quieter, nerdier people maybe don't get a shot. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>that's my statement whatever. But the two things I'm most

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<v Speaker 2>interested to talk about with you on the breakdown after

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<v Speaker 2>our breakdown is the resource. So let's start there. I

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<v Speaker 2>think the reason I said Tanner said this perfectly is

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<v Speaker 2>because he's right. They either get a really great villa

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<v Speaker 2>for this show, or you know, they get some type

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<v Speaker 2>of how But I think the reason I said last

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<v Speaker 2>episode that it was hard for me to follow was

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<v Speaker 2>because of how segregated this resort is. They're just staying

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<v Speaker 2>at a resort. Even when I go on vacation with

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<v Speaker 2>my wife at a resort, sometimes we don't see each other,

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<v Speaker 2>like we miss each other. She goes to the gym.

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<v Speaker 2>All of a sudden, I'm at the cafeteria. We're not

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<v Speaker 2>seeing each other for a couple hours, and we meet

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<v Speaker 2>each other at the pool. It felt like this during Paradise.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't like it. I want them back at one

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<v Speaker 2>house all together, intermingling.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you could have made it an air conditioned place,

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<v Speaker 3>and it made it way boogier than it usually is,

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<v Speaker 3>but still kept the whole living together as a community environment.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So I'm with the fans. The resort not for

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<v Speaker 2>me so far. I'm not sold on it. The cast is,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, somebody I do hope create storylines. We want

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<v Speaker 2>to give them the benefit of the doubt. There's still people.

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<v Speaker 2>They're very similar to the casts of the past. They

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<v Speaker 2>just don't have maybe the A listers like the Ashleys

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<v Speaker 2>that are there with them. But they'll do their best.

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<v Speaker 2>But really, the final point here that I want to

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<v Speaker 2>speak with you about is the cash prize. We kind

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<v Speaker 2>of glossed over it during our breakdown at the first episode.

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<v Speaker 2>I actually now, based on fans' responses, think it is

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<v Speaker 2>the most influential and crucial item to this first episode.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh I disagree. I will let you know what I

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<v Speaker 4>think is, but go ahead.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't like it. I have solidly put my stake

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<v Speaker 2>in the ground now, and I would love to be

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<v Speaker 2>convinced otherwise. I have committed in life to be able

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<v Speaker 2>to change my opinion even when I feel strongly about something,

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<v Speaker 2>because that's how the best humans of history have operated,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'd like to try to get as closer than

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<v Speaker 2>as possible. But I don't like it right now. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't like that we have separated and kind of made

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<v Speaker 2>love now a money grab. It feels like what our

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<v Speaker 2>culture and society has done incorrectly, that we're feeling the

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<v Speaker 2>repercussions of where you know, kids are now meant to

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<v Speaker 2>be influencers, and money seems to be the easy pursuit

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<v Speaker 2>of everybody, and everybody's going to try to find their

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<v Speaker 2>way to get rich quick. The thing I loved about

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<v Speaker 2>Paradise Ashley was still the innocence, the craziness of the scenario,

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<v Speaker 2>but the innocence of the environment where the Tanner and

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<v Speaker 2>Jade's me that Ashley and Jared's Me, the Hannah and

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<v Speaker 2>Dylan's me and love is formed from this beautiful.

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<v Speaker 4>Place, Adam and Raven, Adam and Raven.

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<v Speaker 2>I just think money takes away from that, and I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want the distraction.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, I totally agree with you.

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<v Speaker 3>I think we I think the money thing is going

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<v Speaker 3>where we think it's going. But let's give him a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit of doubt. That it was just teased in

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<v Speaker 3>the trailer for the next, you know, the rest of

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<v Speaker 3>the season, and perhaps it's not as yucky as we

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<v Speaker 3>think it might be. I again think it will be,

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<v Speaker 3>but we do not have details on it yet. But

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<v Speaker 3>I found to be what people concentrate the most on.

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<v Speaker 3>When I'm looking at my responses on Instagram story, I

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<v Speaker 3>have like engagement is low this week people because of

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<v Speaker 3>Amazon's pride, But I for the amount of people who

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<v Speaker 3>have seen this so far in the past hour, I

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<v Speaker 3>have at least one hundred messages, most of which are

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<v Speaker 3>complaining about the editing. People saying that the editing was distracting,

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<v Speaker 3>that it was cheesy, that just felt way to produced

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<v Speaker 3>with that kind of editing, and that made the personality

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<v Speaker 3>of the show feel totally different.

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<v Speaker 2>So fans responses right now from all sides, following x

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<v Speaker 2>two messages we've received to the responses we've received on

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<v Speaker 2>the Almost Famous podcast, fans don't seem to be giving

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<v Speaker 2>up on the show. So that's a good thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, because I think that they know that the

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<v Speaker 3>crux is there.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just definitely so if Rob Mills is listening to

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<v Speaker 2>this podcast at any point, or somebody from his team

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<v Speaker 2>is if you want to hear anything from the studies

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<v Speaker 2>that we've done that are very unscientific, Fans are not

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<v Speaker 2>giving up on the show. However, I do think fans

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<v Speaker 2>are a little bit hesitant to fall deeply in love

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<v Speaker 2>with this new format. And I think it all comes

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<v Speaker 2>down to how can how the season continues to be edited.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it comes because the resort if they could

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<v Speaker 2>edit that to be great, like they can make any

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<v Speaker 2>location work. We've done group dates in the weirdest of

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<v Speaker 2>places and they've made it work, and they made it

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<v Speaker 2>beautiful and they made it make sense. I'm not worried

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<v Speaker 2>about the editing that can change, that can happen. The

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<v Speaker 2>cash prize, I think is a concern. Uh, and so

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<v Speaker 2>how does that play out? And also how does this

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<v Speaker 2>cast step up to make the storylines that we that

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<v Speaker 2>we desire. We see in the teaser the Dale Moss

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<v Speaker 2>April makeout. I'm not saying that I want to watch it,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm also not saying I don't want to see

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<v Speaker 2>weird stuff like that happen because it will keep me

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<v Speaker 2>hooked for the next week.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's if that case isn't going was it? Is

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<v Speaker 4>it a makeout or did he doth?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean like a shot with like a shot?

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, it's like then it's being dramatic. Okay. So another

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<v Speaker 4>that bringing up Goldens with April.

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<v Speaker 3>People are thinking that that the resort change was because

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<v Speaker 3>of ac reasons for them.

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<v Speaker 4>No, people, that's not the reason. We know. We know

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<v Speaker 4>it wasn't because of that.

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<v Speaker 2>It was not because of the Goldens coming show. They

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<v Speaker 2>weren't saying, hey, the Goldens are coming on, let's get

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<v Speaker 2>a mac. I don't think that the Golds.

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<v Speaker 3>No, then they would have put the Goldens in a

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<v Speaker 3>different spot. If the case, it's interesting that they tease

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<v Speaker 3>the Goldens being there so much and then they didn't

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<v Speaker 3>incorporate them into a three hour long premiere episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Rumor has it they may not be in the next episode.

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<v Speaker 3>Either really see what I would have enjoyed is because

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not so keen on them being there in the

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<v Speaker 3>first place, like I think most of Bache Nation's not.

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<v Speaker 4>But I would have been.

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<v Speaker 3>Down for two hours of the Young Ends and then

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<v Speaker 3>a second hour of the Goldens that would make sense,

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<v Speaker 3>or even Monday for the young Ins and Tuesday for

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<v Speaker 3>the Goldens. And our producer right now is saying that

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<v Speaker 3>they're yeah, not showing up until episode three.

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<v Speaker 2>Episode three, I think we'll see the Goldens, which will

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<v Speaker 2>be a weird mix in, but we're gonna see how

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<v Speaker 2>it works out. Hey, we're having a good time no

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<v Speaker 2>matter what. We're gonna be critical but also supportive. We

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<v Speaker 2>haven't a good time hearing from you, the fans, the

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<v Speaker 2>listeners on what you're thinking of this next season. There's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot going on and a lot for us to

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<v Speaker 2>pay attention to. So until we can continue to kind of,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess, fact check this and make sure that our

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<v Speaker 2>assumptions on how everything is going to happen actually happen.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna stay positive.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh I am positive, I know, but.

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<v Speaker 2>You and I both really want this to work for

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<v Speaker 2>many reasons. One one of my best friends in the

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<v Speaker 2>world works on this show. I want to have a

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<v Speaker 2>job for the next twenty years. I want to be

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<v Speaker 2>sixty years old, and I want Will still behind the bar,

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<v Speaker 2>still mixing drinks. I want him to rock and roll

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<v Speaker 2>this thing forever. And we also just love the idea

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<v Speaker 2>of Paradise. But I actually, I will say this and

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<v Speaker 2>I'll say it again. I love the idea of Paradise

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<v Speaker 2>because it does put everybody on equal playing field, and

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to see that change. And they felt

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<v Speaker 2>like they were changing that with Dale, which to me

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<v Speaker 2>made this thing less desirable to watch, because I want

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<v Speaker 2>to see Dale Moss come in, or the Sam even

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<v Speaker 2>Sam's of the world, who should have been like a

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<v Speaker 2>hot commodity, right, good looking guy, stud suave, all those things.

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<v Speaker 2>I like that he went home right away, not for

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<v Speaker 2>his sake, but I like the fact that nobody was like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm all about it. Yes, Oh my gosh, give me Sam.

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to see how this thing shakes out,

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<v Speaker 2>because I think we get a better taste of who

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<v Speaker 2>these people actually are during Paradise.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and I think that so many of the changes

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<v Speaker 3>have dominated the chatter. But I do think that we'll

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<v Speaker 3>have some good stories come out of this. I enjoyed

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<v Speaker 3>many chunks of the episode. I just think that, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the conversation is, it's just there's other things blaring in

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<v Speaker 3>our face. So I don't want to like on the

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<v Speaker 3>show at all. It was just because there's goodness in there.

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<v Speaker 3>There really really is.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, so that's the breakdown of episode one. That's

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<v Speaker 2>what you guys were saying. We didn't even mention in

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<v Speaker 2>our recap about Hannah Brown being a part of the show.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, Ashley, as we kind of close out here, we

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<v Speaker 2>get two episodes next week, the Goldens enter the beach.

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<v Speaker 2>From what we hear on episode three, what is your

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<v Speaker 2>thoughts on Hannah coming in to be the concierge.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, okay, so that makes so much more sense than

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<v Speaker 3>her being the supposed bubbly girl. Because you were a

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<v Speaker 3>little defensive of Wells. I think, I hope I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>like putting words in your mouth, but like when you

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<v Speaker 3>found out that, like Hannah was coming there, you were like,

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<v Speaker 3>they don't need another Bartet or the only champagne.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it is Hannah Brown. I'm just the guy

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<v Speaker 2>that's been there forever.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think she's the concierge and they're supposed to

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<v Speaker 3>ask her for like, Hey, like I would love a

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<v Speaker 3>cute setup over by this spot. Can I do an

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<v Speaker 3>at home date? That's a cute idea to have her

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<v Speaker 3>there for that. However, do I think that Hannah's going

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<v Speaker 3>to be disappointed and the fact that she went and

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<v Speaker 3>spent three weeks down there and she might have like

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<v Speaker 3>three minutes total of their time.

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<v Speaker 4>Quite possibly.

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<v Speaker 2>I do think she might be. But she gets paid

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<v Speaker 2>if she shows up on an episode, so good for

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<v Speaker 2>her no matter how often she shows up. However, I

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<v Speaker 2>also know that like, this isn't just a character like

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<v Speaker 2>Well's works. He serves drinks all day at that beach,

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<v Speaker 2>so she is concierging. I'm assuming all day at that beach,

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<v Speaker 2>setting stuff up and actually like putting stuff together. We'll

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<v Speaker 2>see how she actually feels about it kind of of

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<v Speaker 2>this as the season goes on. I'll be interested, because

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<v Speaker 2>I don't it's not just a hand me job. Like,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not just hey, Well stand up there at the

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<v Speaker 2>bar and say bars open and then leave and get

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<v Speaker 2>paid for it. No, you're gonna work it. You're there,

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<v Speaker 2>he does.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you would know, I would assume that, yeah, they're

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<v Speaker 3>like actually having her cut the strawberries and dip them

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<v Speaker 3>into chocolate.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's so great good. It's nice to get

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<v Speaker 2>paid so much and be so humbled at the same time. Hey, anyways,

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<v Speaker 2>this is the Almost Famous podcast. It's great to talk

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<v Speaker 2>to you all. We'll be back with more episodes this week.

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<v Speaker 2>We have a headlines episode. We obviously have some really

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<v Speaker 2>great interviews coming your way. We'll keep talking about Paradise

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<v Speaker 2>and all the cool stuff happening. So until next time,

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<v Speaker 2>I've Been Been.

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<v Speaker 4>I've Been Ashley see Yah.

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