Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I almost Famous podcast
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Speaker 2: It's almost famous podcast. It's been and Ashley back here,
Speaker 2: and we wanted to do a quick little recap on
Speaker 2: the feedback we've seen and also kind of heard about
Speaker 2: this new season of Paradise, because, after all, the show
Speaker 2: has resonated with his audiences in a way that's all
Speaker 2: this positive and negative, kind of like we were breaking
Speaker 2: down on our Bachelor in Paradise recap before we get
Speaker 2: into it. The premiere was Monday. Uh, and we've been
Speaker 2: watching you and listening to you, and we're gonna try
Speaker 2: to do our best of encapsulating everything that's been said
Speaker 2: so far. Actually, I'll start it out here. I think
Speaker 2: Tanner Tolbert's post.
Speaker 3: Mike, you haven't pulled up Ben, are we mind reading?
Speaker 4: I literally just pulled it up for this conversation.
Speaker 2: I feel like you and I are like really clicking
Speaker 2: right now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, today we're having a day.
Speaker 2: You are having a day, Ashley. Go ahead and read
Speaker 2: it because I think it's the perfect breakdown of how
Speaker 2: I felt, maybe how fans are feeling, because it wasn't
Speaker 2: pure hate. It's it's kind of a divorce from the
Speaker 2: old entering into the new. I'm not quite sure how
Speaker 2: I feel, But Tanner said a lot of things well
Speaker 2: in this post.
Speaker 4: Totally okay.
Speaker 3: So he said, Bachelor in Paradise is now Timu Island, which,
Speaker 3: if you're not familiar with Timu, it is like the
Speaker 3: cheaper version of Amazon products. It's the Sheian, It's the
Speaker 3: Forever twenty one rip Forever twenty one. He's saying it's
Speaker 3: the cheap version of Love Island. He said, these producers
Speaker 3: are just trying to copy Love Island but are executing
Speaker 3: it poorly.
Speaker 4: The new location is silly.
Speaker 3: Either get a badass villa if you're gonna copy Love Island,
Speaker 3: or stay in Paradise. This generic resort falls short of
Speaker 3: somewhere in the middle, very stale feeling. The dream scenes
Speaker 3: are so cheesy and force. This was very a very
Speaker 3: popular opinion on social media. My bad for thinking that
Speaker 3: these scenes were.
Speaker 4: Like kind of fine, like kind of funny.
Speaker 3: In which I said on our last episode, he said,
Speaker 3: having the cast stay in separate hotel rooms is dumb.
Speaker 3: It limits the amount of interaction and discussion between the
Speaker 3: cast mates. I totally believe that that is one of
Speaker 3: the major flaws in the new system. Having the cast
Speaker 3: day in ceret rooms is just like, Okay, it's dating time,
Speaker 3: and then it's like go to bedtime. It's just it's
Speaker 3: not it's just not paradise whatsoever. And then he said
Speaker 3: he's still hopeful that this cast can produce some good storylines.
Speaker 3: I truly am I'm not sure about I don't think
Speaker 3: there's gonna be a ton but I do think that
Speaker 3: there is some good relationship meet forming overall.
Speaker 4: He did a.
Speaker 3: Poll said do you think would you like the new VIP?
Speaker 3: Only thirteen percent said yes, eighty seven percent said no.
Speaker 2: Hey let me pause you there. It goes kind of
Speaker 2: against the poll that we did on Instagram. We got
Speaker 2: a lot of great results coming in from our listeners.
Speaker 2: The first question we asked on our pool was do
Speaker 2: you like the new filming of the resort? Like the
Speaker 2: new filming resort, so the one that they're filming in
Speaker 2: now fifty five percent said yes, forty five percent so
Speaker 2: that they missed the old one. We also asked this question,
Speaker 2: do you like all the Dale months Moss entrance attention?
Speaker 2: Seventy percent said they did not like it at all.
Speaker 2: Thirty percent said they did because he's handsome. The final
Speaker 2: question we asked was do you like money being involved
Speaker 2: in Paradise? Twenty six percent said yes they loved the
Speaker 2: competition of it all, while seventy four percent and know
Speaker 2: this should be about finding love.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: I think a little bit of that is based on
Speaker 2: how we asked the question. However, the thing I want
Speaker 2: to focus on first with you, Ashley, before we getting
Speaker 2: anything else, and the thing I was most interested in
Speaker 2: is really two topics. You know, I didn't love all
Speaker 2: the Dale Moss love, but I can't hate on some
Speaker 2: dude getting some support.
Speaker 3: What people are saying that that is the bombshell entered
Speaker 3: the villa that they have on Love Island, like he
Speaker 3: was supposed to be the bombshell.
Speaker 4: Which, yes, that is a extreme similarity.
Speaker 2: Sure, I will say it this way. I don't hate
Speaker 2: I don't know Dale, so I can't say if he's good, bad,
Speaker 2: and different. I don't love any of anybody getting kind
Speaker 2: of put on a pedestal in these experiences. I think
Speaker 2: all of them are beautiful, all of them are there
Speaker 2: to find love. I like equal playing fields in Paradise
Speaker 2: because it's fun to see the Tanner Tolbert's Mary the
Speaker 2: Jades of the world, which nobody would have expected. Now
Speaker 2: that Tanner's in not a handsome dude, he is, He's
Speaker 2: a great guy.
Speaker 3: Funny Jade was the bombshell who entered the villain exactly.
Speaker 2: So that's why I say I like during these kind
Speaker 2: of shows, especially Paradise, who does it, I think better
Speaker 2: than anybody when it comes to the equal playing field.
Speaker 2: The Dylan's marrying the Hannahs, like, those are the scenarios
Speaker 2: that stand out in my mind that I love. And
Speaker 2: I think putting anybody on a pedestal makes them so
Speaker 2: much of the pursuit that a lot of these kind
Speaker 2: of like maybe quieter, nerdier people maybe don't get a shot. Okay,
Speaker 2: that's my statement whatever. But the two things I'm most
Speaker 2: interested to talk about with you on the breakdown after
Speaker 2: our breakdown is the resource. So let's start there. I
Speaker 2: think the reason I said Tanner said this perfectly is
Speaker 2: because he's right. They either get a really great villa
Speaker 2: for this show, or you know, they get some type
Speaker 2: of how But I think the reason I said last
Speaker 2: episode that it was hard for me to follow was
Speaker 2: because of how segregated this resort is. They're just staying
Speaker 2: at a resort. Even when I go on vacation with
Speaker 2: my wife at a resort, sometimes we don't see each other,
Speaker 2: like we miss each other. She goes to the gym.
Speaker 2: All of a sudden, I'm at the cafeteria. We're not
Speaker 2: seeing each other for a couple hours, and we meet
Speaker 2: each other at the pool. It felt like this during Paradise.
Speaker 2: I don't like it. I want them back at one
Speaker 2: house all together, intermingling.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you could have made it an air conditioned place,
Speaker 3: and it made it way boogier than it usually is,
Speaker 3: but still kept the whole living together as a community environment.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I'm with the fans. The resort not for
Speaker 2: me so far. I'm not sold on it. The cast is,
Speaker 2: you know, somebody I do hope create storylines. We want
Speaker 2: to give them the benefit of the doubt. There's still people.
Speaker 2: They're very similar to the casts of the past. They
Speaker 2: just don't have maybe the A listers like the Ashleys
Speaker 2: that are there with them. But they'll do their best.
Speaker 2: But really, the final point here that I want to
Speaker 2: speak with you about is the cash prize. We kind
Speaker 2: of glossed over it during our breakdown at the first episode.
Speaker 2: I actually now, based on fans' responses, think it is
Speaker 2: the most influential and crucial item to this first episode.
Speaker 4: Oh I disagree. I will let you know what I
Speaker 4: think is, but go ahead.
Speaker 2: I don't like it. I have solidly put my stake
Speaker 2: in the ground now, and I would love to be
Speaker 2: convinced otherwise. I have committed in life to be able
Speaker 2: to change my opinion even when I feel strongly about something,
Speaker 2: because that's how the best humans of history have operated,
Speaker 2: and I'd like to try to get as closer than
Speaker 2: as possible. But I don't like it right now. I
Speaker 2: don't like that we have separated and kind of made
Speaker 2: love now a money grab. It feels like what our
Speaker 2: culture and society has done incorrectly, that we're feeling the
Speaker 2: repercussions of where you know, kids are now meant to
Speaker 2: be influencers, and money seems to be the easy pursuit
Speaker 2: of everybody, and everybody's going to try to find their
Speaker 2: way to get rich quick. The thing I loved about
Speaker 2: Paradise Ashley was still the innocence, the craziness of the scenario,
Speaker 2: but the innocence of the environment where the Tanner and
Speaker 2: Jade's me that Ashley and Jared's Me, the Hannah and
Speaker 2: Dylan's me and love is formed from this beautiful.
Speaker 4: Place, Adam and Raven, Adam and Raven.
Speaker 2: I just think money takes away from that, and I
Speaker 2: don't want the distraction.
Speaker 4: Okay, I totally agree with you.
Speaker 3: I think we I think the money thing is going
Speaker 3: where we think it's going. But let's give him a
Speaker 3: little bit of doubt. That it was just teased in
Speaker 3: the trailer for the next, you know, the rest of
Speaker 3: the season, and perhaps it's not as yucky as we
Speaker 3: think it might be. I again think it will be,
Speaker 3: but we do not have details on it yet. But
Speaker 3: I found to be what people concentrate the most on.
Speaker 3: When I'm looking at my responses on Instagram story, I
Speaker 3: have like engagement is low this week people because of
Speaker 3: Amazon's pride, But I for the amount of people who
Speaker 3: have seen this so far in the past hour, I
Speaker 3: have at least one hundred messages, most of which are
Speaker 3: complaining about the editing. People saying that the editing was distracting,
Speaker 3: that it was cheesy, that just felt way to produced
Speaker 3: with that kind of editing, and that made the personality
Speaker 3: of the show feel totally different.
Speaker 2: So fans responses right now from all sides, following x
Speaker 2: two messages we've received to the responses we've received on
Speaker 2: the Almost Famous podcast, fans don't seem to be giving
Speaker 2: up on the show. So that's a good thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, because I think that they know that the
Speaker 3: crux is there.
Speaker 2: It's just definitely so if Rob Mills is listening to
Speaker 2: this podcast at any point, or somebody from his team
Speaker 2: is if you want to hear anything from the studies
Speaker 2: that we've done that are very unscientific, Fans are not
Speaker 2: giving up on the show. However, I do think fans
Speaker 2: are a little bit hesitant to fall deeply in love
Speaker 2: with this new format. And I think it all comes
Speaker 2: down to how can how the season continues to be edited.
Speaker 2: I think it comes because the resort if they could
Speaker 2: edit that to be great, like they can make any
Speaker 2: location work. We've done group dates in the weirdest of
Speaker 2: places and they've made it work, and they made it
Speaker 2: beautiful and they made it make sense. I'm not worried
Speaker 2: about the editing that can change, that can happen. The
Speaker 2: cash prize, I think is a concern. Uh, and so
Speaker 2: how does that play out? And also how does this
Speaker 2: cast step up to make the storylines that we that
Speaker 2: we desire. We see in the teaser the Dale Moss
Speaker 2: April makeout. I'm not saying that I want to watch it,
Speaker 2: but I'm also not saying I don't want to see
Speaker 2: weird stuff like that happen because it will keep me
Speaker 2: hooked for the next week.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's if that case isn't going was it? Is
Speaker 4: it a makeout or did he doth?
Speaker 2: I mean like a shot with like a shot?
Speaker 4: Okay, it's like then it's being dramatic. Okay. So another
Speaker 4: that bringing up Goldens with April.
Speaker 3: People are thinking that that the resort change was because
Speaker 3: of ac reasons for them.
Speaker 4: No, people, that's not the reason. We know. We know
Speaker 4: it wasn't because of that.
Speaker 2: It was not because of the Goldens coming show. They
Speaker 2: weren't saying, hey, the Goldens are coming on, let's get
Speaker 2: a mac. I don't think that the Golds.
Speaker 3: No, then they would have put the Goldens in a
Speaker 3: different spot. If the case, it's interesting that they tease
Speaker 3: the Goldens being there so much and then they didn't
Speaker 3: incorporate them into a three hour long premiere episode.
Speaker 2: Rumor has it they may not be in the next episode.
Speaker 3: Either really see what I would have enjoyed is because
Speaker 3: I'm not so keen on them being there in the
Speaker 3: first place, like I think most of Bache Nation's not.
Speaker 4: But I would have been.
Speaker 3: Down for two hours of the Young Ends and then
Speaker 3: a second hour of the Goldens that would make sense,
Speaker 3: or even Monday for the young Ins and Tuesday for
Speaker 3: the Goldens. And our producer right now is saying that
Speaker 3: they're yeah, not showing up until episode three.
Speaker 2: Episode three, I think we'll see the Goldens, which will
Speaker 2: be a weird mix in, but we're gonna see how
Speaker 2: it works out. Hey, we're having a good time no
Speaker 2: matter what. We're gonna be critical but also supportive. We
Speaker 2: haven't a good time hearing from you, the fans, the
Speaker 2: listeners on what you're thinking of this next season. There's
Speaker 2: a lot going on and a lot for us to
Speaker 2: pay attention to. So until we can continue to kind of,
Speaker 2: I guess, fact check this and make sure that our
Speaker 2: assumptions on how everything is going to happen actually happen.
Speaker 2: We're gonna stay positive.
Speaker 4: Oh I am positive, I know, but.
Speaker 2: You and I both really want this to work for
Speaker 2: many reasons. One one of my best friends in the
Speaker 2: world works on this show. I want to have a
Speaker 2: job for the next twenty years. I want to be
Speaker 2: sixty years old, and I want Will still behind the bar,
Speaker 2: still mixing drinks. I want him to rock and roll
Speaker 2: this thing forever. And we also just love the idea
Speaker 2: of Paradise. But I actually, I will say this and
Speaker 2: I'll say it again. I love the idea of Paradise
Speaker 2: because it does put everybody on equal playing field, and
Speaker 2: I don't want to see that change. And they felt
Speaker 2: like they were changing that with Dale, which to me
Speaker 2: made this thing less desirable to watch, because I want
Speaker 2: to see Dale Moss come in, or the Sam even
Speaker 2: Sam's of the world, who should have been like a
Speaker 2: hot commodity, right, good looking guy, stud suave, all those things.
Speaker 2: I like that he went home right away, not for
Speaker 2: his sake, but I like the fact that nobody was like,
Speaker 2: I'm all about it. Yes, Oh my gosh, give me Sam.
Speaker 2: I just want to see how this thing shakes out,
Speaker 2: because I think we get a better taste of who
Speaker 2: these people actually are during Paradise.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think that so many of the changes
Speaker 3: have dominated the chatter. But I do think that we'll
Speaker 3: have some good stories come out of this. I enjoyed
Speaker 3: many chunks of the episode. I just think that, you know,
Speaker 3: the conversation is, it's just there's other things blaring in
Speaker 3: our face. So I don't want to like on the
Speaker 3: show at all. It was just because there's goodness in there.
Speaker 3: There really really is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so that's the breakdown of episode one. That's
Speaker 2: what you guys were saying. We didn't even mention in
Speaker 2: our recap about Hannah Brown being a part of the show.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Now, Ashley, as we kind of close out here, we
Speaker 2: get two episodes next week, the Goldens enter the beach.
Speaker 2: From what we hear on episode three, what is your
Speaker 2: thoughts on Hannah coming in to be the concierge.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so that makes so much more sense than
Speaker 3: her being the supposed bubbly girl. Because you were a
Speaker 3: little defensive of Wells. I think, I hope I'm not
Speaker 3: like putting words in your mouth, but like when you
Speaker 3: found out that, like Hannah was coming there, you were like,
Speaker 3: they don't need another Bartet or the only champagne.
Speaker 2: I think it is Hannah Brown. I'm just the guy
Speaker 2: that's been there forever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think she's the concierge and they're supposed to
Speaker 3: ask her for like, Hey, like I would love a
Speaker 3: cute setup over by this spot. Can I do an
Speaker 3: at home date? That's a cute idea to have her
Speaker 3: there for that. However, do I think that Hannah's going
Speaker 3: to be disappointed and the fact that she went and
Speaker 3: spent three weeks down there and she might have like
Speaker 3: three minutes total of their time.
Speaker 4: Quite possibly.
Speaker 2: I do think she might be. But she gets paid
Speaker 2: if she shows up on an episode, so good for
Speaker 2: her no matter how often she shows up. However, I
Speaker 2: also know that like, this isn't just a character like
Speaker 2: Well's works. He serves drinks all day at that beach,
Speaker 2: so she is concierging. I'm assuming all day at that beach,
Speaker 2: setting stuff up and actually like putting stuff together. We'll
Speaker 2: see how she actually feels about it kind of of
Speaker 2: this as the season goes on. I'll be interested, because
Speaker 2: I don't it's not just a hand me job. Like,
Speaker 2: it's not just hey, Well stand up there at the
Speaker 2: bar and say bars open and then leave and get
Speaker 2: paid for it. No, you're gonna work it. You're there,
Speaker 2: he does.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you would know, I would assume that, yeah, they're
Speaker 3: like actually having her cut the strawberries and dip them
Speaker 3: into chocolate.
Speaker 2: I think it's so great good. It's nice to get
Speaker 2: paid so much and be so humbled at the same time. Hey, anyways,
Speaker 2: this is the Almost Famous podcast. It's great to talk
Speaker 2: to you all. We'll be back with more episodes this week.
Speaker 2: We have a headlines episode. We obviously have some really
Speaker 2: great interviews coming your way. We'll keep talking about Paradise
Speaker 2: and all the cool stuff happening. So until next time,
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