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Speaker 1: Welcome in everybody to Fantasy Pros. This is the Fantasy

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Speaker 1: Football Podcast. It is me Joey p Joe Pizipia, and

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Speaker 1: today you know what it's about. It's about winning your league.

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Speaker 1: Why else we playing fantasy football? We're not trying to

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Speaker 1: win our leagues, for God's sakes. That's what we're trying

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Speaker 1: to do here and to help us win every single

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Speaker 1: league this year. With some names that you're gonna have

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Speaker 1: to draft this year whether you like it or not. Deebro,

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Speaker 1: Derek Brown, the King of Bros. And Pat fitz Morris.

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Speaker 1: All three of the dads of Fantasy Pros. Here are

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Speaker 1: back after a nice Father's Day weekend. Pat, I know

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Speaker 1: you got to spend some time with the college kiddo's, right,

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Speaker 1: because they're not home anymore. They come home from college,

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Speaker 1: they each out a house at home, right, and then

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Speaker 1: they go off and hang out with their friends. But

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Speaker 1: you got to spend some barbecue time with them. And Debro,

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Speaker 1: I hear that you're a celebrity in the Dallas Fort

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Speaker 1: Worth area. Tell everybody how you got recognized in all

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Speaker 1: the strangest places.

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Speaker 2: I go to the bathroom of a favorite pizza place

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Speaker 2: and I'm staying there like at the faies and then

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Speaker 2: like I go wash my hands and I'll look up

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Speaker 2: into the mirror and some guy walks into the bathroom

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Speaker 2: and he like does the double take. He's like staring

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Speaker 2: at me for a second. I was like, oh, dear Lord,

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Speaker 2: here it comes.

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Speaker 1: And he's like, so, I know.

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Speaker 2: This is the most awkward thing possible, and I know

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Speaker 2: this is weird. What are you Derek from Fantasy Pros?

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Speaker 2: And I was like, I just started cackling and we're

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Speaker 2: laughing our butts off, and he's like, dude, He's like,

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Speaker 2: I saw you sitting over there with your family. I

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Speaker 2: didn't want to bug you and stuff. And it's not

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Speaker 2: that I stalked you to the bathroom.

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Speaker 1: That was my next question. Did he stop in here?

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Speaker 2: And dude, we were laughing and met his family, told

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Speaker 2: him Happy Father's Day. It was a good time, but yes,

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Speaker 2: awkward beginnings to a really fun story. Guys.

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Speaker 1: Well, Pat, it was. It was relieving to me to

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Speaker 1: hear that he was recognized because of Fantasy Pros and

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Speaker 1: not his earlier work in the internet film industry, don't you.

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Speaker 3: I was like, where are you going with this?

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Speaker 1: Cry? Pat?

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Speaker 4: That's kind of a relief is very nice. Yeah, you

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Speaker 4: want to be recognized for your uh the PG stuff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah that's good. All right, Well today I don't know

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Speaker 1: what rating we're gonna get, just a plus. That's the

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Speaker 1: here on Fantasy Pros. And let's start here with some

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Speaker 1: guys early on in rounds you know, two, three that

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Speaker 1: we think are really going to take it to the

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Speaker 1: next level. And look, they say, you don't you know,

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Speaker 1: necessarily winner lose your draft in the first round or two.

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Speaker 1: But there's certainly some chances you can take and I

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Speaker 1: think some targets that you can make that are there

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Speaker 1: specifically pat to take you over the hump between being

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Speaker 1: just a good team to a great team. And I

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Speaker 1: want to start with Brock Powers because obviously tight end

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Speaker 1: this year, there's a lot of quality guys, and I

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Speaker 1: know you've singled out Brock Powers. Let's talk about why

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Speaker 1: you think he's a potential league winner and why people

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Speaker 1: should be aggressive on him despite the fact that he

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Speaker 1: even does already have a pretty early ADP pretty early.

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Speaker 4: But we used to debate whether Travis Kelcey was worthy

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Speaker 4: There was definitely a big contingent of people who did

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Speaker 4: think he was worth a first round pick, and I

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Speaker 4: think Bowers has the chance to give you the same

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Speaker 4: sort of leg up at the position that Travis Kelcey

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Speaker 4: did in his heyday. As a rookie in twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 4: Bowers had one hundred and twelve catches for eleven hundred

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Speaker 4: ninety four yards and five touchdowns. He was tight end

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Speaker 4: all pass catchers that season tight ends and wide receivers,

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Speaker 4: fantasy points. That's among all pass catchers. And it was

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Speaker 4: just an absolute monster of a rookie season. And he

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Speaker 4: did it with Gardner minshew An O'Connell, and Desmond Ritter

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Speaker 4: as his quarterbacks that year. The Las Vegas quarterbacks that

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Speaker 4: season had a collective passer rating of eighty two point four.

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Speaker 4: It was more than ten points higher when they were

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Speaker 4: throwing to Bauers ninety two point nine.

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Speaker 3: Last year.

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Speaker 4: Five catches for one hundred and three yards for Bowers

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Speaker 3: His left knee in that game.

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Speaker 4: Gutted it out for the next three weeks, but clearly

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Speaker 4: In his first game back, he has twelve catches, one

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Speaker 4: hundred and twenty seven yards and three touchdowns. Four more

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Speaker 4: touchdowns after that, but the reception in yardage totals nothing special.

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Speaker 4: The Raiders offense was just a mess. The quarterbacking was bad,

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Speaker 4: the offensive line play was bad, and in the final

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Speaker 4: season final weeks of the season, the Raiders went into

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Speaker 3: Missed the last two games.

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Speaker 4: So he played twelve games total, sixty four catches, six

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Speaker 4: hundred and eighty yards, seven touchdown. This season, Raiders get

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Speaker 4: a new and better play caller with Clint Kubiak. They

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Speaker 4: get the number one pick in the draft, Fernando Mendoza

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Speaker 4: and no Debro. They're not going to keep a red

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Speaker 4: shirt season for Mendoza year, but in the three or

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Speaker 4: beginning of the season. It's going to be the very

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Speaker 4: tight end friendly Kirk Cousins, who was quarterbacking the Falcons

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Speaker 4: last year when Kyle Pitts had that monster one hundred

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Speaker 4: and sixty six yard three touchdown game against the Buccaneers

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Speaker 4: on a Thursday night, who fueled some big TJ. Hawkinson

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Speaker 4: seasons in Minnesota, who fueled a nine hundred and fifty

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Speaker 4: four yard eleven touchdown season for Jordan Reid back in

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Speaker 4: twenty fifteen. Things are set up really well for Bowers

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Speaker 4: this year. The Raiders best receivers who Jalen Naylor, Trey Tucker,

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Speaker 4: Jack Besh like Bowers is going to have a big season,

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Speaker 4: and it would not surprise me if a year from

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Speaker 4: now people are considering Bowers like a no brainer first

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Speaker 4: rounder in twenty twenty seven fantasy drafts.

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Speaker 1: FITZI, I've already got on record for Nanda Mendoza starts

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Speaker 1: Week one. I don't see. I don't see. When they're

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Speaker 1: going into training camp and they watched Kirk Cousins throw

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Speaker 1: and they watch the offense, that's fine, we'll see, we'll

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Speaker 1: see how it goes. The last time a number one

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Speaker 1: overall pick did not start week one at quarterback twenty eighteen,

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Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield. This's a long time ago. Okay, the number

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Speaker 1: one overall pick quarterbacks. They start week one for a reason.

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Speaker 1: Eddie's way better than Kirk Cousins. There's nothing for him

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Speaker 1: to learn. Just go play, all right. Let's talk about

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Speaker 1: another tight end, yeah, jerk, Derek Brown. So if you

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Speaker 1: don't want to take Brock Bauers, who currently is going

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Speaker 1: as the first tight end in a lot of drafts

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Speaker 1: right now, you can wait a little longer and take

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Speaker 1: the guy that I'm super excited about. And it looks

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Speaker 1: like Derek is as well. So debro Let's talk about

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Speaker 1: Colston Lovelin, whom I predicted on the tailgate will lead

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Speaker 1: all tight ends in touchdowns in yards and also lead

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Speaker 1: the Bears in those two categories as well this year.

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Speaker 2: I told you then and I'll tell you again here.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't that hot of a take, I guess. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I know Patty's also riding on the bandwagon here. I mean, look,

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Speaker 2: just the reason I want to bring up Colston Lovelin,

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Speaker 2: and I'm kind of cheating right now. I know he's

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Speaker 2: going at the beginning of the first fourth round in drafts.

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Speaker 2: I have been in Best Ball drafts and other places

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Speaker 2: where I've seen him go at the back end of

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Speaker 2: the third I think he's going to be a mid

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Speaker 2: it's all said and done because the steam is heavy

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Speaker 2: and it's deserved for Colston Lovelin. If you look up

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Speaker 2: what he did in week sixteen through twenty and people say,

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Speaker 2: what's a small sample size we need to look could

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Speaker 2: signal for talented rookies that breakout towards the back end

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Speaker 2: of the season. People discounted this, and I know it's

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Speaker 2: different positions, but they discounted that breakout with Amanasse Brown,

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Speaker 2: Rashid Rice. When are we going to learn the lesson

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Speaker 2: that you need to take the signal away from it?

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Speaker 2: Week sixteen through twenty last year for Colston Lovelan twenty

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Speaker 2: five point six percent target shaer eighty one point six

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Speaker 2: receiving yards per game, two point four nine yards per

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Speaker 2: route run thirty four percent. First read here. I can

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Speaker 2: keep rattling off stats for days and days. The reason

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Speaker 2: I bring all of this up is if you look

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Speaker 2: at Trem McBride's season in twenty twenty five, and brock

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Speaker 2: Bauer's magical season in twenty twenty four, Colston Loveland beats

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Speaker 2: both of them in that sample size in every single

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Speaker 2: per route efficiency metric. So this year he can be

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Speaker 2: Chicago's wide receiver one. We've already seen this playout last

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Speaker 2: year down the back half of the season. I think

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Speaker 2: he's the best tight end ADP value on the freaking board,

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Speaker 2: because when it's all said and done, I think he's

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Speaker 2: going to be very close, if not right on the

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Speaker 2: heels of brock bow In rivaling as far as raw

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Speaker 2: stout stats and everything. Like, he's my tight end too

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Speaker 2: right now? Over trade McBride behind only Bowers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, I'm a big fan of Love one. I'm curious, Pat,

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Speaker 1: you know. To me, the one of the reasons I

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Speaker 1: also like Love one is because there's a little kind

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Speaker 1: right when the tight ends start going, whether it be

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Speaker 1: Bowers the McBride, I like Love one. So to me,

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Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, this is where this league is going

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Speaker 1: to value tight ends. So I can wait for that

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Speaker 1: first salvo and then kind of take it from there.

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Speaker 1: That's my approach with tight end but would you still,

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Speaker 1: regardless go after Bowers even if he ends up being

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Speaker 1: let's say, an early second round pick at this point,

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Speaker 1: with some of the helium that smart folks like you

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Speaker 1: were putting out there on him.

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Speaker 4: Well, I want Bowers, and I'm hoping to get him

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Speaker 4: in a lot of drafts, Joe, But there's certain spots

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Speaker 4: in the draft. If you draw that spot, you are

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Speaker 4: not going to get Brock Powers. So if I'm picking

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Speaker 4: one or two, I'm not picking Bowers over Jumior Gibbs

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Speaker 4: or b Jean Robinson, and he's probably not going to

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Speaker 4: be there for me in the back end of the second.

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Speaker 4: So there, maybe maybe I do consider at the top

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Speaker 4: of the third round Colston Loveland. And I've actually already

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Speaker 4: been in one redraft draft where we drafted our we

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Speaker 4: draft our teams in like early June or late May

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Speaker 4: or whatever, and I got Loveland in right around mid fourth.

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Speaker 4: In that I don't think that price is going to

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Speaker 4: be available to me when it gets to be August

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Speaker 4: if I don't get Bauers. No question, Loveland is a target.

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Speaker 4: He's just he's too fast for linebackers, he's too physical

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Speaker 4: for safeties. The Packers are really well equipped to cover

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Speaker 4: tight ends and did well I think for the most

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Speaker 4: part last year against tight ends with Javon Bullard and

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Speaker 4: Evan Williams, who are these physical safeties who can handle

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Speaker 4: a lot of the bigger tight ends, and you know

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Speaker 4: they move like defensive backs. And Loveland just chewed the

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Speaker 4: Packers up in the last two meetings last season, just

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Speaker 4: chewed them up and spit him out. So like I

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Speaker 4: With him either, right, we only got nine games out

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Speaker 1: A lot of people are gonna have to make the decision.

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Speaker 1: I think between Hampton and Saquon Barkley. I know his

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Speaker 2: It's easy Hampton for me. I've got Hampton as my

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Speaker 1: It's gonna catch a lot of passes. Dude. Yeah. Busy

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Speaker 1: We've talked about AJ Brown and how it just feels

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Speaker 1: Fitzy Pickens had a breakout, you know, statistical season last

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Speaker 4: I have AJ Brown ranked ahead of Pickens. I think

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Drake may special quarterback talent, that's for sure. All Right,

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Speaker 1: De bro, I want to go. I want to start

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Speaker 3: I'm starting to be I wasn't at first.

431
00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:12,840
Speaker 4: I was worried about the Sutton thing, but lately I've

432
00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:16,359
Speaker 4: been thinking about that and realizing that Jalen Wattle was

433
00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:19,280
Speaker 4: routinely churning out thousand yard seasons in Miami playing with

434
00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:22,240
Speaker 4: Tyreek Hill, who was at the height of his powers

435
00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:25,080
Speaker 4: when he got to Miami and started playing with Wattle.

436
00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:29,600
Speaker 4: So I shouldn't worry about Courtland Sutton when Waddle managed

437
00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:32,280
Speaker 4: to get his when he was playing with Tyreek Hill.

438
00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:34,679
Speaker 4: So I'm coming around to Dee Bro's way of seeing this,

439
00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:37,879
Speaker 4: and Wattle's just really good. And when Ericson and I

440
00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:40,719
Speaker 4: were doing the ranking show last year, like both of

441
00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:45,320
Speaker 4: us were routinely ranking Wattle above consensus, like we liked

442
00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:48,959
Speaker 4: the player a lot, And I've come around to seeing

443
00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:52,680
Speaker 4: his current situation as more of a positive than a negative.

444
00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:55,720
Speaker 1: All Right, another player last couple of years that I

445
00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:58,280
Speaker 1: think some fantasy analysts have been high on and it

446
00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:00,399
Speaker 1: hasn't quite popped. I think to the degree that some

447
00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,919
Speaker 1: we're hoping is Jalen Warren of the Pittsburgh Steelers now

448
00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,399
Speaker 1: pat I personally am investing in Rico Dowdell, So I'm

449
00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:09,520
Speaker 1: fascinated to hear the argument for Jalen Waddle that I

450
00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:11,359
Speaker 1: think you're going to make here. So let's talk about

451
00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:14,280
Speaker 1: Warren and why this year could be different under a

452
00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:15,640
Speaker 1: different regime in Mike McCarthy.

453
00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:17,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, and a lot of people do see this as

454
00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:22,399
Speaker 4: kind of a committee situation. So what Warren might seem

455
00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:26,320
Speaker 4: like an odd choice for a league winner? Show those

456
00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:28,800
Speaker 4: two are only nine spots apart in ECR right now,

457
00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:32,000
Speaker 4: Warren goes like a little over half around earlier than

458
00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:36,240
Speaker 4: Dowbtell Well, that's ECR, not ADP. But I think people

459
00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:37,720
Speaker 4: are going to look at these guys as kind of

460
00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:42,400
Speaker 4: co equals Joe. I think Aaron Rodgers is the prism

461
00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:44,200
Speaker 4: through which we have to look at this backfield.

462
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Speaker 3: Rogers is forty two.

463
00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:49,640
Speaker 4: Is very little mobility anymore, and we saw last year

464
00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:51,760
Speaker 4: that he is no longer willing to stand in the

465
00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,679
Speaker 4: pocket and subject himself to hits while he scans the

466
00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:56,879
Speaker 4: field for open receivers. He needs to play with a

467
00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:59,359
Speaker 4: running back who can block for him and be a

468
00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,280
Speaker 4: safety val as a pass catcher, and that is Jalen

469
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:05,640
Speaker 4: Warren and not Rico Dowell, like Warren, has averaged two

470
00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,920
Speaker 4: point six catches per game over his career one point

471
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,720
Speaker 4: four to one yards per route run. Donald has averaged

472
00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,640
Speaker 4: one point four catches per game one point zero five

473
00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:18,360
Speaker 4: yards per route run. And last year, Jalen Warren's PFF

474
00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:22,919
Speaker 4: blocking grade was seventy two, Donald's was twenty four point six.

475
00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:27,639
Speaker 4: That was a really bad blocking grade. And being the Steelers'

476
00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:31,560
Speaker 4: primary pass catching back or just primary back in general,

477
00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:36,000
Speaker 4: I think it's a lucrative gig because Steelers running backs

478
00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:37,800
Speaker 4: are gonna catch a lot of passes. They accounted for

479
00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:40,480
Speaker 4: twenty five point four percent of team targets last year.

480
00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:44,439
Speaker 4: That was second highest in the league, only behind the

481
00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:47,600
Speaker 4: forty nine Ers with Christian McCaffrey. Warren fell just short

482
00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:50,640
Speaker 4: of thirteen hundred yards from scrimmage last year eight touchdowns

483
00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,560
Speaker 4: and he missed a game. He averaged eighty point seven

484
00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,520
Speaker 4: yards from scrimmage a game, and he was RB nineteen

485
00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:59,800
Speaker 4: and PPR points per game. And he's like a late

486
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,399
Speaker 4: sixth round pick right now. He's pretty affordable for a

487
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,359
Speaker 4: guy who might have upside that maybe a lot of

488
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:07,800
Speaker 4: people aren't seeing right now.

489
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Speaker 1: Dee bro, what's your take on that Pittsburgh backfield. Are

490
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 1: you team Rico, team Jayalen Warren or you just team

491
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 1: stay the hell away? It sounds like stay the hell

492
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 1: away for that grunt. That's what it felt like. I

493
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 1: mean kind of stay away.

494
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:24,200
Speaker 2: But if I'm picking one guy, I want to pick

495
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:25,960
Speaker 2: the guy with the pass game upside, which I agree

496
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:29,440
Speaker 2: with Patty is Jalen Warren. I look at this backfield.

497
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:31,960
Speaker 2: If Mike McCarthy does he run this back of like

498
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:35,440
Speaker 2: previous backfield splits that he's had, is Jalen Warren gonna

499
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,000
Speaker 2: be the Aaron Jones here? I think it's possible to

500
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 2: Patty's points. I mean previous Green Bay backfields like we've

501
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,960
Speaker 2: seen McCarthy run, you know, committees and stuff like that.

502
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 2: Not only worry about what this backfield is. Who gets

503
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 2: the goal on work and who gets the touchdowns? Now

504
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 2: Jalen Warren could get all of that and the passing

505
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:55,639
Speaker 2: game stuff, And I think that's where we discuss like

506
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 2: league winning upside versus like Patty's kind of laying out here.

507
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,480
Speaker 2: I love Rico Dudle the talent. I just don't know

508
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,159
Speaker 2: if he's going to garner the same kind of like

509
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,639
Speaker 2: passing game work, Like what if Aaron Rodgers stays like

510
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 2: check down Charlie this year and Jalen Warren And I'm

511
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,359
Speaker 2: not saying, I know it's a different offensive system, but

512
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 2: even does like a seventy percent Kinney gainwell of last year.

513
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 2: I think that could be in the cards.

514
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:23,400
Speaker 1: All right, So we'll see how the Pittsburgh backfield shakes out.

515
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:27,640
Speaker 1: You got certainly the Jalen Warren contingent here today. Let's

516
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 1: talk about another guy on Debro's list here in these

517
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:33,120
Speaker 1: middle rounds that could potentially win you your league. And let's

518
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 1: talk about a packer so that Pat doesn't have to today,

519
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,919
Speaker 1: because I think that's something that a lot of singer

520
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:42,359
Speaker 1: songwriters are trying to make sure that you know, we

521
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:46,240
Speaker 1: have enough funding available for all of the wide receivers

522
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,880
Speaker 1: in Green Bay to stay healthy this year. Christian Watson,

523
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,919
Speaker 1: you know, the og Christian Watson fan going back to

524
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:55,119
Speaker 1: pre draft is Derek Brown, Ladies and gentlemen. I just

525
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 1: want to point that out, like I spent a lot

526
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,359
Speaker 1: of hours talking about Christian Watson, and with good reason.

527
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 1: He's a playmaker, he's exciting. It's the injuries and it's

528
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:08,359
Speaker 1: been the injuries, and it's always been the injuries. The

529
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,479
Speaker 1: thought process is eventually, one of these years he stays healthy.

530
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,679
Speaker 1: But Debro is the cost right for that investment this season?

531
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,919
Speaker 2: Absolutely at the cost this season is not baking into

532
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,360
Speaker 2: one what he did last year coming off of torn

533
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 2: acl and two what we could see this season. I

534
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,880
Speaker 2: mean Christian Watson. Last year week's eight through eighteen, Guys,

535
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 2: we talked about him every single freaking week on the

536
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,879
Speaker 2: Waiver Wire Show, and yet people lagged behind on picking

537
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,440
Speaker 2: him up. And he was the wide receiver twenty one

538
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,359
Speaker 2: a fantasy points per game. Weeks eight through eighteen, he

539
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 2: had sixty one receiving yards per game. He had two

540
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:44,879
Speaker 2: point sixty seven yards per route run. He was the

541
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 2: clear wide receiver one for the Green Bay Packers, and

542
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,399
Speaker 2: basically what Green Bay said was, Okay, could you handle

543
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,399
Speaker 2: being our wide receiver one? And then he did and

544
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 2: they rewarded him with the big contract this offseason. Now

545
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 2: Romeo Dobbs is gone, Dantevin Wicks is gone. Christian Watson

546
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,639
Speaker 2: in that sample size was ultra crazy efficient, but also

547
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 2: still only had a sixty eight percent route chaer That

548
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 2: was fifty six out of one hundred and nine qualifying

549
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 2: wide receivers. So if he keeps this even a modicum

550
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 2: of this ultra efficiency per route, he retains the wide

551
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 2: receiver one chair. Because I don't know who the heck

552
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 2: is coming for that. Jayden Reid, we still't even know

553
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:26,879
Speaker 2: if he's going to play in two wide receiver sets.

554
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 2: Matthew golbin Fitz's going to talk about here in a

555
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 2: little bit like he's an unproven commodity. We have hope

556
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:34,920
Speaker 2: and there's hype for him, but what.

557
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:35,400
Speaker 1: Can he do?

558
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 2: Christian Watson, Tucker Craft's coming off of torn acl so

559
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 2: when is he going to be one hundred percent? Christian

560
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 2: Watson could smash this year. You're getting him at a

561
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 2: wide receiver three price deck. Guys like this is where

562
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,880
Speaker 2: we talk about league winners, where if Christian Watson goes

563
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 2: out and he puts up like the Will Fuller season

564
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:53,879
Speaker 2: when he finally broke out and was healthy and stuff,

565
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 2: or like a Terry McLaurin type of season, none of

566
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:57,439
Speaker 2: us should be shocked.

567
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,440
Speaker 1: And that's a top fifteen Fantasy wide receiver. We got

568
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 1: a Will Fuller reference in the show to everybody. I mean,

569
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 1: that's pretty space. We've got a couple of good references

570
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 1: in the show to the Fitzy. If there's a piece

571
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:09,880
Speaker 1: that I'm investing in in the Packers offense, I gotta

572
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,439
Speaker 1: be honest with you, it's Tucker Kraft. But is Christian

573
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 1: Watson still one of these guys that I should be

574
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,640
Speaker 1: going after again in twenty twenty six despite the fact

575
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 1: that time and time again he's been a fantasy letdown.

576
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, and deebro even left out the part where he's

577
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,440
Speaker 4: six foot four and a sub four four speed, which

578
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,440
Speaker 4: is pretty attractive, you know. And Deeper talked about the

579
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 4: ultra efficiency with last year two point two eight yards

580
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 4: per route run and eleven point one yards per target

581
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,479
Speaker 4: numbers that are up there with the elites at wide receiver.

582
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 4: I understand the injury risk, and that's what is going

583
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 4: to spook everyone and make make it like a discount

584
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 4: by to get Christian Watson in drafts. What I'm hoping

585
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 4: is that people kind of forget about this. But like

586
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 4: Watson a few a couple of years ago, like went

587
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 4: and uh underwent a study at the University of Wisconsin,

588
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,639
Speaker 4: Madison where they found out like he had twenty or

589
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 4: thirty percent more leg strength and one leg than the other,

590
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 4: and they kind of work to address this with his

591
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:13,400
Speaker 4: training and everything.

592
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 3: But then like he tears.

593
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 4: His ACL and there's nothing you could do to really

594
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 4: stop a torn ACL.

595
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 3: That's not being injury prone necessarily.

596
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,679
Speaker 4: But he came back earlier than expected from the ACL,

597
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 4: and he was great when he came back last year,

598
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,640
Speaker 4: he was fantastic. And as Debro said, you know, now,

599
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:34,920
Speaker 4: if we get the consolidated targets, there is more upside here.

600
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 4: And let's just get this man wide receiver one usage.

601
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 4: And I think we could get a wide receiver one season.

602
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 1: Well, especially if Josh Jacobs, you know, has more issues

603
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 1: that keep him off the playing field. That could be

604
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 1: a scenario too where maybe I start to say, oh,

605
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 1: you know what, we'll do it one more time because

606
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 1: my friends keep telling me it's the peer pressure. Eventually

607
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 1: I cave into to go with Christian Watson yet again.

608
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,479
Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about a guy the running back

609
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: position here, Patt in these middle rounds. Kyle Manonguy, who

610
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 1: was one of my guys last year. It feels like

611
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 1: he is growing every single game more into that David

612
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 1: Montgomery role in what was the Ben Johnson offense formerly

613
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 1: of the Detroit Lions, and it feels like, you know,

614
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 1: another year older here for DeAndre Swift. We could even

615
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 1: see more of Mananguy.

616
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 3: We could Joe.

617
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 4: It was a nice rookie season from manong Guy seven

618
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 4: hundred and eighty three rushing yards, five touchdowns. Definitely not

619
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 4: league winning stuff as the second head in a two

620
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 4: headed backfield that also includes Swift, but Manonguy can be

621
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 4: a useful asset in the role he currently has, and

622
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 4: the league winning potential stems from the possibility that Swift

623
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 4: either gets hurt or Manonguy displaces Swift on the on

624
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 4: the merits because Ben Johnson becomes convinced Manonguy is simply

625
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 4: the better player. And I think Ben Johnson is really

626
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 4: kind of a key to the fantasy value of these guys.

627
00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 4: He might be the best running game designer in the NFL.

628
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 1: Well.

629
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,239
Speaker 4: The Bears were third and rushing yardage last year. They

630
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 4: were third yards per carry four point nine, They were

631
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 4: number three in rushing DVA last year, only behind the

632
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 4: Rams and the Bills. And in his three years as

633
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 4: Detroit's offensive coordinator, Ben Johnson presided over a running game

634
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 4: that ranked twelfth, fourth and second in rushing Dvoa, and

635
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 4: Ben Johnson does like to run the ball. The Bears

636
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 4: were twenty second in pass rate over expected, and he

637
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 4: had the eleventh highest percentage of running plays last year.

638
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 4: Ben Johnson likes this seventh round rookie enough to give

639
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 4: him one hundred and sixty nine carries last year. Manan

640
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 4: guy is the sort of running back who could give

641
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 4: you a pretty big payoff on a mid round investment.

642
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: Deebro I never really thought much of the idea of

643
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 1: Manongui kind of taking over the entire backfield. Do you

644
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 1: see that as a potential scenario that could play out

645
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 1: this year?

646
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 2: I think I don't know if he takes over, because

647
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Speaker 5: Guys.

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Speaker 1: These are really fun here, So Pat, it's funny. We

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Speaker 1: talked about Christian Watson, and here we are talking about

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Speaker 1: a guy that you left for dead last year. You

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Speaker 1: were not a fan, And I'm going to call you

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Speaker 1: out to the table right now about it because I

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Speaker 1: heard a lot of slander against Matthew Golden. What has

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Speaker 1: changed in this year, in this offseason for you, pat

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Speaker 1: that now he becomes a recommend.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we have not won but two green Bay Packers

699
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Speaker 4: wide receivers who are highlighting on this show. You can't

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Speaker 4: accuse Derek Brown of green Bay Packers homersm Maybe you

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Speaker 4: can accuse me, but you cannot accuse me of Matthew

702
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 4: Golden favoritism. Because, yeah, you guys know, I wasn't crazy

703
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 4: about the Packers selection of Golden in the first round

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00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 4: in last year's drafts.

705
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 3: What Deebro talked about with the target.

706
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 4: Consolidation is appealing here with Romeo Dobbs and Dontavian Wick's gone.

707
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 4: Because as of now, we don't really have enough evidence

708
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 4: to decide whether Matthew Golden is good or bad. Maybe

709
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 4: some people have drawn their conclusions already. I'm actually staying

710
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 4: open minded on this. I don't think we can say

711
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 4: definitively just didn't play a lot of snaps last year,

712
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 4: only about thirty two per game, forty four targets, twenty

713
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 4: nine catches, three hundred and sixty one yards, no touchdowns.

714
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 4: Target chair wasn't substantial. Golden average one point five three

715
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 4: yards per rout run certainly not good but also not disastrous,

716
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 4: but yeah, there will be greater opportunity. He was part

717
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:15,479
Speaker 4: of that wide receiver rotation last year, and this year

718
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 4: it seems like it's going to be a three man

719
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 4: corps at wide receiver with Watson, Golden and Jaden Reid,

720
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 4: and the Packers beat writers are indicating that it's going

721
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 4: to be Watson and Golden as the two receivers on

722
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 4: the field when the Packers use twelve personnel and have

723
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 4: two tight ends on the field. So I love Watson,

724
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 4: but we can't whistle past the graveyard with his injury history,

725
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 4: and Jane Reid hasn't been super durable either, so there

726
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 4: is reason to believe that Golden could see a lot

727
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,800
Speaker 4: more targets this year. He's got big play speed. He

728
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 4: ran that four two nine at the combine. Honestly, I

729
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 4: might be cheating a bit by lumping in with lumping

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00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 4: Golden in with the late rounders on this show, because

731
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Speaker 4: I don't think it would take much for Golden to

732
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 4: be vaulted several rounds in ADP. Just a couple of

733
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 4: those reports like oh, Matthew, Golden's catching everything that comes

734
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 4: his way. He looks unguardable in practices, all of a

735
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 4: sudden he's going in the seventh round. I could, I

736
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 4: could see that as a possibility. But yeah, there's some

737
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 4: serious upside potential with Golden this year.

738
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Speaker 1: What are you your take here, Debro about Golden, because

739
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 1: it does feel like, you know, this is another one

740
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 1: of those players with obvious athleticism, right, good career at Texas,

741
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 1: another explosive play guy. But is Christian Watson kind of

742
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 1: already the explosive play guys or enough of those kind

743
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 1: of plays in the Packer offense and Matthew Golden could

744
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,839
Speaker 1: also end up beating a guy that makes significant contributions

745
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 1: this year.

746
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,839
Speaker 2: I think he definitely can make the significant contributions. I mean,

747
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 2: just look at what we saw from the Packers offense

748
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 2: last year, Like Watson was as productive as he was

749
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 2: and still Romeo das Romeo Dobbs was flirting with wide

750
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 2: receiver three value in and out like the entire season.

751
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 2: And back to Patty's point, I think one of the

752
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 2: things that makes this Green Bay Packers passing attack so

753
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 2: palpable is that it comes down to the fact that

754
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 2: I think we're going to get more consolidation. It's not

755
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 2: going to be this five man rotation, Like, are they

756
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 2: really going to push to get like bow Meltains Sadian

757
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 2: Williams routes or we do we finally get where we

758
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 2: have two guys that have eighty percent route shares in

759
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 2: this offense, like Golden amongst one hundred nine qualifying wide receivers.

760
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 2: And as Patty was talking about, I was like, I

761
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,760
Speaker 2: really haven't looked at his number. His deeper route metrics

762
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 2: are actually appealing amongst one hundred nine qualifying wide receivers.

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00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 2: He was sixteenth in separation score man. And I will

764
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 2: push back a little bit on Patty's saying like Golden's

765
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Speaker 2: going to go like high up the board right now.

766
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Speaker 1: I'm looking at ADPs right now.

767
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 2: Jaden Reid is one hundred overall, Golden is a is

768
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty fifth overall. I think that uncertainty

769
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 2: that people don't know what to do Golden versus Reed,

770
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,240
Speaker 2: there's going to remain a Jaden Reid hive the entirety

771
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:57,320
Speaker 2: of the offseason, regardless of whatever comes out, because people

772
00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 2: have seen what he can do in small sample size

773
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,320
Speaker 2: they want believe. So I think Golden is only gonna

774
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,760
Speaker 2: go so high in ADP. And if Reid also gets

775
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 2: puff and praise in training camp and Golden does too,

776
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,320
Speaker 2: I still think Reid will be drafted ahead of Golden.

777
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 2: So Golden's gonna probably remain a value. And we haven't

778
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 2: even talked about Green Bay's been one of the most

779
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 2: run heavy, freaking teams of the last two years. If

780
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 2: they become even league average at passing rate and we

781
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 2: get consolidation of targets here, yeah, there's gonna be a

782
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:27,439
Speaker 2: lot of value to be had.

783
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,359
Speaker 1: It'll be good for Jordan Love's value too. Let's put

784
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 1: that way too. We'd like to see.

785
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 4: That thirty first and twenty second in pass rate over

786
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 4: expected the last two years. Jordan Love is a really

787
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 4: good quarterback, but he has been hamstrung by low pass volume,

788
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,240
Speaker 4: and that's why he hasn't been a good fantasy quarterback

789
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:47,240
Speaker 4: the last two years.

790
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 1: Let him cook the four, let him cook Dee bro

791
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 1: Jonathan Brooks, the guy that we've talked about a lot already,

792
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 1: and it's not even Independence Day, so let's talk about

793
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 1: him some more. To me, it makes sense as a

794
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 1: late pick, you know. To me, this is where you

795
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 1: look at it, and he's going as what barely around

796
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: like between forty five and fifty at the RB position

797
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 1: somewhere on there. Sure it makes sense. Chewba Hubbard's history

798
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,439
Speaker 1: is not as you know, glorious as someone might think.

799
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Speaker 1: He's had some good moments here with the Carolina Panthers.

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Speaker 1: But Jonathan Brooks is certainly a guy that could a

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00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: start out in some sort of share that could be beneficial,

802
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 1: but be also has the ability to take over and see,

803
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 1: if God forbid, there's an injury, would become a very

804
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 1: valuable piece. So I get the appeal of Jonathan Brooks.

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00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 1: What are some of the other reasons that you want

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00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: to sell people on Jonathan Brooks going into twenty twenty.

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Speaker 2: Six because he can take over this backfield and if

808
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 2: he does that, he's a top fifteen back if he

809
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 2: plays the role that Chewba Hubbard has played over multiple seasons,

810
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,359
Speaker 2: if he's this year's Rico Dowdell and he takes over

811
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Speaker 2: the role from Chewba Hubbard. And I think it's funny

812
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 2: people talk about, oh, the two torn acls and stuff

813
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 2: like that. I know, Patty, you agree with me. Like

814
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 2: looking at Jeff Mueller's work like the first ACL was

815
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Speaker 2: just not a botch job, but he had issues recovering

816
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 2: from that from the jump. So now he's got this

817
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 2: long layoff, he's one hundred percent going into camp. They

818
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 2: are treating him with kid gloves right now. But really

819
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 2: all their moves this offseason, they didn't bring Rico Daldo back,

820
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Speaker 2: they didn't draft another running back, They got aj Dillar

821
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Speaker 2: and Trevor e Chian like to compete with touches and chuba,

822
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 2: Hubbard has shown us like last year he was one

823
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 2: of the most inefficient running backs on a per touch basis,

824
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 2: regardless of whatever you freaking look at. And the thing

825
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 2: that I think also gets lost in the sauce, guys,

826
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 2: he's only twenty two freaking years old. Like, we're not

827
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Speaker 2: talking about a twenty six year old, a twenty eight

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Speaker 2: year old running back coming off two torn acls, and

829
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Speaker 2: we're trying to invest and we're hoping and hyping him offense.

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Speaker 2: He's twenty two freaking years old and he was a

831
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Speaker 2: second round pick by this same coaching staff that believed

832
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Speaker 2: in him. They're gonna give him runway. He's gonna be

833
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,399
Speaker 2: the guy this year. At some point Fitzy, what's your.

834
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Speaker 1: Take on Jonathan Brooks, Because I don't know if you

835
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Speaker 1: and I have talked as much shit is myself, Debro

836
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Speaker 1: and Erickson have about Brooks so far this offseason.

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Speaker 3: I'm bullish and I believe.

838
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Speaker 4: I believe in the power of the double bundle technique.

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Speaker 4: Joe and Debro was just talking about Jeff Mueller the Twitter.

840
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Speaker 4: You know, the injury doc who drops a lot of

841
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Speaker 4: points of view about NFL injury situations on Twitter. Yeah,

842
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 4: he talked about how the Panthers brought in this renowned

843
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Speaker 4: specialist to do the second ACL repair on Brooks and

844
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Speaker 4: use this double bundle technique that's supposed to increase the

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Speaker 4: lateral stability and just make for a better overall repair,

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Speaker 4: more stability. And by the time training camp opens, it's

847
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Speaker 4: gonna it'll have been twenty months since the injury. The

848
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Speaker 4: Panthers were rightly, very conservative and not trying to bring

849
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Speaker 4: Brooks back last year. Let's just get this right. Forget

850
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Speaker 4: about twenty twenty five. We want you to play in

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty six and be something close to the Jonathan

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Speaker 4: Brooks we drafted in the second round out of Texas.

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Speaker 4: And you know, we're rightly excited about at the time.

854
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 4: So two acls, it's gonna scare away a lot of people.

855
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 4: But if you have sort of followed, like the actual

856
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,320
Speaker 4: medical specifics about this, there there might be some reason

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Speaker 4: for optimism.

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Speaker 1: All right, So we're talking about a number two running

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Speaker 1: back on the depth chart. What about number three running

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Speaker 1: back on the depth chart of the Minnesota Vikings demon Claiborne,

861
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 1: who I've watched some recent OTA footage of him, looks explosive,

862
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 1: got good hands. What's in front of him, is, you know,

863
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 1: Jordan Mason, who's been a guy that's you know, been

864
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 1: a is a journeyman? Is that a nice thing to say?

865
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't want to insult the guy

866
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 1: because he's been useful when he's been called upon, but

867
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 1: a bit of a journeyman back. And then you got

868
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:46,800
Speaker 1: Aaron Jones, who's a veteran back. But again that's a

869
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 1: capital V on the veteran. So is there a world

870
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 1: here where in deeper leagues a guy like Claiborne is

871
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,360
Speaker 1: actually a valuable stash and draft as opposed to just

872
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 1: a guy that you maybe monitoring at off the waiver wire.

873
00:41:58,560 --> 00:41:59,720
Speaker 3: Pat could be Joe.

874
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, the hit round, the hit rate on sixth round

875
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 4: running backs not great. This is a dart throw that's

876
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 4: worthwhile because I do think Clayborne could ascend the Vikings

877
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 4: running back depth chart, which is not exactly Mount Everest

878
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 4: as far as NFL running back depth chart. Go Aaron Jones,

879
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 4: he's had a fantastic career, but he's thirty one and

880
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,800
Speaker 4: just wasn't very effective in twenty twenty five. And Jordan

881
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 4: Mason is a He's good at what he does. He's

882
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 4: a between the tackles thumper, but there's not much wiggle

883
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:36,399
Speaker 4: there and not much pass catching ability at all. So

884
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,479
Speaker 4: Clayborne is something different in this backfield. He's got sub

885
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 4: four to four speed, he makes sharp cuts, and his

886
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,720
Speaker 4: tackle breaking is actually kind of underrated in my opinion

887
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 4: based on what I've seen from him, and I'll be

888
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 4: anxious to see if Debro agrees with that, being the

889
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 4: film study guy. So yeah, this is a late round

890
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 4: lottery pick with a potentially big payoff. You draft him

891
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,320
Speaker 4: in the late round and if Claiborne doesn't get a

892
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 4: foothold in the Vikings backfield the first month or so

893
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 4: of the season, just drop and then move on.

894
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 1: Deebro where you about with Claiborne.

895
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 2: I liked him, I didn't love him as a prospect,

896
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 2: but the speed is undeniable and the fit in the

897
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 2: system is undeniable too, And really like he just needs

898
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 2: an Aaron Jones injury, Like that's it. Like we know

899
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 2: who Jordan Mason is and what he isn't. He's not

900
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 2: a pass catcher. He's incredibly efficient on early downs. For

901
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 2: Claiborne to take over that Aaron Jones role in this backfield,

902
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,839
Speaker 2: it's literally just Aaron Jones get missing time and we've

903
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 2: seen that a year after year or after year and

904
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 2: it's declining efficiency. There's also an on zero chance that

905
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 2: Claiborne outplays him at some point this season, especially like

906
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 2: if this team is hunting for explosive plays out of

907
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 2: the run game, like you know you're not going to

908
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 2: get a lot of that out of Jordan Mason. He'll

909
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 2: break tackles, he's good at what he does on early downs.

910
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 2: But the tell with Jordan Mason is he's not a

911
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,879
Speaker 2: true three down back, Like you're you're tipping your hand

912
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 2: when he's on the field. Okay, they're going to run

913
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 2: the ball because they're sure it is. Heck not gonna

914
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 2: trust him in pass pro and they're not going to

915
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 2: throw the ball to him. So Clayborne can give you

916
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,720
Speaker 2: the duplicity where if he's on the fielder Aaron Johnson's

917
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 2: on the field, then it's like, Okay, what are we

918
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 2: gonna do? We throw in the ball or we run

919
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 2: the ball. And that's something that Jordan Mason has not

920
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 2: and will not bring to the table.

921
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 1: All right, let's have one more guy here, Deebro talk

922
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:27,320
Speaker 1: about Ricky Piersall who obviously it feels like maybe a

923
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: black cloud hanging over his career so far early on,

924
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:33,839
Speaker 1: but once again, there's a path, right Mike Evans is there,

925
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 1: not a whole lot else. Certainly Brandon and a Yuk

926
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:37,800
Speaker 1: is not going to be there. We all know that.

927
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 1: But it does feel like one of these guys that's

928
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 1: gonna go one or two ways this year, and this

929
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 1: is a fork in the road for his career. Either

930
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 1: is going to be one of those remember him, you

931
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: know you mentioned Will Fuller, right, remember him? Actually Will

932
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: Fall at least had a good season like Ricky Pearson,

933
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 1: We're still waiting for one. So he's either going to

934
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 1: become a has been prospect very soon here or he

935
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: is going to carve role for himself, and certainly there's opportunity,

936
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,879
Speaker 1: especially early going with George Kittle potentially on the shelf

937
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 1: to open the season. Let's talk about Ricky Pearsall and

938
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: why people should give it one more.

939
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 2: Chance, because he was productive as hell when he was

940
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 2: on the field last year and it has been just

941
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 2: a horrible run out to begin his career, both getting shot,

942
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 2: having all the injuries, all the things in between. Things

943
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 2: have not worked out for Ricky Pearsall, but all of

944
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 2: this stuff is priced into his ADP, where his upside

945
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 2: is not being priced into his ADP. I'm not worried

946
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 2: about Christian Kirk. He didn't do anything of note for

947
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 2: Houston last year, so that's more of a depth ad.

948
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 2: Deshaun Stribling. I don't see him making a massive impact

949
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 2: in his rookie season. We've seen Shanahan put these rookies

950
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 2: in the doghouse and make them earn it, and a

951
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 2: lot of times that doesn't go great. So Stribling is

952
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 2: gonna have to earn his way up the depth chart now.

953
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 2: Mike Evans, I love him too this year, but again,

954
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 2: can he stay healthy over a full season is very like,

955
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 2: that's a question that everybody should be asking. The same

956
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 2: thing goes with Ricky Pearsoll, except it's not pricing to

957
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 2: his adp the upside, but all the injury risk and

958
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,720
Speaker 2: stuff is and people are like, I'm done, I've played

959
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,359
Speaker 2: this game. I'm out, And that's why you see him

960
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 2: as a wide receiver forty five in ECR. But if

961
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:20,760
Speaker 2: he does stay healthy this season, he's shown the talent

962
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:23,359
Speaker 2: to be awesome in fantasy. Like last year he only

963
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 2: played nine games because of the PCL's brain And again

964
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 2: going back to we're talking about earlier in this show,

965
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 2: we're giving brock Bauers the benefit of the doubt because

966
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 2: his whole entire season was wrecked by PCL's brain that

967
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,800
Speaker 2: he played through. But Ricky Piersoll is not getting the

968
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 2: same benefit of the doubt. And all these other parts

969
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:44,479
Speaker 2: are pieces which I'm not again, I'm not worried about

970
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 2: Kirk and Stribbling. It's muddying up this wide receiver room.

971
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 2: But what's getting lost in the conversation is when Ricky

972
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 2: Pearsoll was on the field last year, in those nine games,

973
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:56,360
Speaker 2: he had four top twenty four weekly scoring finishes. He

974
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 2: had two point zero two yards per route run. He

975
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:01,839
Speaker 2: had point one zero three first downs per route run.

976
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 2: Both of those are where he finished in both of

977
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 2: those metrics. Oh, just twenty third and twenty second best

978
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 2: amongst all wide receivers at least two hundred routes. No

979
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:12,720
Speaker 2: big deal. Also, if you look at the deeper metrics,

980
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 2: he was eighth in separation third in route win rate.

981
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:16,359
Speaker 1: No big deal.

982
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 2: Just one of the best route runners in the entire

983
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 2: freaking NFL. Also locked into what we think, if they

984
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 2: stay healthy, could be a top ten scoring offense. We

985
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 2: don't know what we're getting out of George Kittle, but

986
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:28,839
Speaker 2: let's not worry about drafting Ricky Pearsall as a wide

987
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:30,800
Speaker 2: receiver for who could be way more than that.

988
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 1: This year pat the early cr has Pearsall, where Wandel Robinson, Jordanatison,

989
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 1: Quentin Johnson all kind of clumped together. Yeah, well, you

990
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 1: know what you can say, qj O you want. Like

991
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 1: last year, there's some productivity and there's a lot of

992
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 1: people who like him a lot in this offense. Potentially,

993
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 1: Pearsall for me is a hard sell, especially around the

994
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 1: Wandell Robinson range. If he goes a little later towards

995
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 1: maybe the I don't know, the Khalil Shakir sort of range,

996
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 1: the Shaheed range. I think that's something more appealing to me.

997
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 1: Do you think that pearsall Steel being a little bit

998
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 1: too overvalued or do you think he's undervalued and could

999
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 1: potentially be a big return this season the way Derek

1000
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:12,439
Speaker 1: does undervalued.

1001
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 3: I like him more than Wandale.

1002
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 4: I think he's got vastly more upside of former first

1003
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:19,800
Speaker 4: round pick, with four to four speed and a forty

1004
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 4: two inchro vertical jump. And he actually has popped, as

1005
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 4: Deebro points out, each of the last two years, like

1006
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 4: he's been thwarted by injuries, but his last two regular

1007
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 4: season games as a rookie fourteen catches for two hundred

1008
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 4: and ten yards and two touchdowns. Last year, his last

1009
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 4: two regular season games, or at least the last two

1010
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 4: that he played, eleven catches one hundred and eighty one yards.

1011
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 4: A good route runner, athletic has draft pedigree, has one

1012
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 4: really old wide receiver ahead of him on the depth chart,

1013
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 4: and has a tight end coming off a major injury

1014
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 4: who's also old and plays in this really good offense.

1015
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 4: Triggered by a good quarterback with a good play caller.

1016
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 4: So yeah, there's a lot that potentially lines up for

1017
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:02,359
Speaker 4: Ricky Pearsall this year.

1018
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 2: Give me Piersoll over Jaden Reid, Quentin Johnston, Jordan Addison,

1019
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 2: Michael Pittman, Junior Wanda Robinson like all these guys that

1020
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 2: are ahead of an ADP Jacoby Myers like, Are any

1021
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:16,880
Speaker 2: of those guys gonna be difference makers, league winners, like

1022
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:20,399
Speaker 2: massive upside if they truly hit this year?

1023
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 1: Probably not, but they could also be contributors. And in

1024
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:28,320
Speaker 1: an offense that has Christian McCaffrey, George Kittle, Mike Evans,

1025
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:32,439
Speaker 1: it might be tough for Ricky Pearsol to even carve

1026
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 1: out his own role.

1027
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 2: That's all those guys do stay healthy? Is that a

1028
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 2: top ten scoring offense too, that you're buying into at

1029
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 2: this per ADP?

1030
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 1: We look, I mean you said it just now. I mean,

1031
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 1: whether you mentor or not, all those guys staying healthy unlikely.

1032
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 1: So there's certainly possibility there, But Ricky Pearsol, the later

1033
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 1: the better for me. When it comes to Piersoll, what

1034
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 1: does everybody else think you drafted Piersall? You like some

1035
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 1: of these names here that we've thrown out at you

1036
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 1: drop your comments below. Who are your league winners potentially

1037
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:00,879
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