WEBVTT - Selects: How Dog Shows Work 0:00:00.600 --> 0:00:03.520 Hey, everybody, it's Josham. For this week's select, I've chosen 0:00:03.560 --> 0:00:07.360 our twenty twelve episode on dog shows. You know, I've 0:00:07.360 --> 0:00:09.880 always wondered what the deal is with dog shows? How 0:00:09.880 --> 0:00:12.800 do you compare a poodle to a Pekinese to a 0:00:12.840 --> 0:00:17.159 Parfa Geffen? I made that last one up regardless, it 0:00:17.200 --> 0:00:19.880 turns out there's a whole fascinating world going on beneath 0:00:19.880 --> 0:00:22.120 the surface of dog shows. And if you just sit 0:00:22.160 --> 0:00:24.840 back and enjoy this app, you'll learn all about it. 0:00:30.320 --> 0:00:41.320 Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio. Hey, 0:00:41.360 --> 0:00:43.879 and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark with me 0:00:43.920 --> 0:00:47.160 as always as Charles W Chuck Bryant. And that makes 0:00:47.159 --> 0:00:48.040 this stuff you should know. 0:00:48.520 --> 0:00:53.040 The podcast indeed about dogs my favorite topic. 0:00:54.000 --> 0:00:55.720 Yeah, that's one of them. 0:00:55.960 --> 0:00:57.120 What else I don't know? 0:00:57.320 --> 0:00:57.720 Dogs? 0:00:58.080 --> 0:01:00.280 I'm one of those people that like dogs. 0:01:00.040 --> 0:01:01.200 More than many humans. 0:01:01.880 --> 0:01:06.919 Sure, so, as you know, and so you know, although 0:01:06.920 --> 0:01:09.120 dog shows I'm not real big on. 0:01:09.720 --> 0:01:12.160 I love watching dog shows, yeah, I just I've never 0:01:12.240 --> 0:01:15.360 gotten into them. I know there's criticism, there's controversy, but. 0:01:15.480 --> 0:01:17.520 I don't care about that. I just I'm kind of 0:01:17.520 --> 0:01:18.400 bored watching them. 0:01:18.560 --> 0:01:23.680 I never get bored. It's almost like watching a fractal 0:01:23.720 --> 0:01:26.920 screensaver or something. It sucks me into that level of 0:01:27.000 --> 0:01:29.960 like just zoned altitude? 0:01:30.200 --> 0:01:33.600 Is it point? Is it appointment television for you? Like? 0:01:33.680 --> 0:01:36.760 Do you make a point every February something? 0:01:36.880 --> 0:01:40.479 I think? I think last year it was Valentine's Day? 0:01:40.760 --> 0:01:42.200 Yeah, okay, it's early February. 0:01:42.319 --> 0:01:47.040 Yeah. Last year when a little Pekinese one in Malachy, 0:01:47.319 --> 0:01:49.320 I think I remember seeing that dog. Look at that dog. 0:01:50.280 --> 0:01:53.880 It's faces mushed, but beyond cute. Look at that hair. 0:01:54.040 --> 0:01:59.520 So apparently, if you want to blow up the Twitter 0:01:59.600 --> 0:02:05.480 verse with angry tweets, you can talk politics, you can 0:02:05.520 --> 0:02:09.040 talk religion, or you can hold the Westminster Dog Show 0:02:09.560 --> 0:02:13.160 and selective best in show. People get pretty upset. Man, 0:02:13.200 --> 0:02:14.639 people went crazy last year. 0:02:14.720 --> 0:02:17.160 So like, what like you commenting or just in the 0:02:17.200 --> 0:02:18.200 Twitter universe? 0:02:18.200 --> 0:02:21.200 People on Twitter? Okay, yeah, no, I'm just a fan. 0:02:21.280 --> 0:02:24.280 I don't I don't don't tweeted during the show. No, no, 0:02:24.280 --> 0:02:28.560 no no. I live tweet very infrequently. It's it's tough 0:02:28.600 --> 0:02:32.240 on the thumbs, sure, but so Malichi, this little cute 0:02:32.240 --> 0:02:37.000 four year old Pekinese won Best in Show and people 0:02:37.040 --> 0:02:40.640 were really mad. They called it a mop cousin it 0:02:42.400 --> 0:02:48.120 Heraldo Rivera's mustache a wookie snooky for some reason, maybe 0:02:48.160 --> 0:02:50.120 just because it rhymes with wookie, and that's what they 0:02:50.120 --> 0:02:52.480 were going for. And they had just been watching Jersey Shore. 0:02:52.520 --> 0:02:57.320 Who knows that's silly, but Malichy is no slouch. It 0:02:57.360 --> 0:03:00.679 had won one hundred and fourteen Best in Show awards. Wow, 0:03:00.720 --> 0:03:04.160 only four years old, so this thing's been mopping up 0:03:04.200 --> 0:03:09.520 the competition. Yeah. Oh man, it just made myself shiver. Yeah, 0:03:09.560 --> 0:03:12.679 but people were crazy. They One guy said he was 0:03:12.720 --> 0:03:15.120 a fan of the Dalmatian. He said, I'm done with 0:03:15.160 --> 0:03:17.560 these dog shows, and I think that happens every year. 0:03:17.600 --> 0:03:19.600 We can untill the next dog show exactly. 0:03:19.800 --> 0:03:22.359 Yeah, there's a lot of people who feel very passionately 0:03:22.360 --> 0:03:24.600 about dog shows. There's plenty of people like me who 0:03:24.639 --> 0:03:27.480 love to just zone out and watch them. Sure, and 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:30.040 then you know there's people who just don't know anything 0:03:30.080 --> 0:03:32.880 about them. And that's what we're here for today, to 0:03:33.000 --> 0:03:36.600 explain everything there is to know about how dog shows work. 0:03:36.920 --> 0:03:39.080 That's right, and this will either be really interesting to 0:03:39.160 --> 0:03:42.280 you or you may just zone out like Josh does 0:03:42.720 --> 0:03:44.000 watching the Westminster Show. 0:03:44.120 --> 0:03:47.080 You know, though, I don't think we've ever released an 0:03:47.200 --> 0:03:51.840 uninteresting episode. Maybe they have uninteresting titles. But you go 0:03:51.920 --> 0:03:54.200 on and you listen to it, it will interest you. 0:03:54.440 --> 0:03:56.960 I defy you right now. Stuff. You should know listeners 0:03:57.000 --> 0:03:59.680 who haven't listened to every single episode, so we'll call 0:03:59.760 --> 0:04:02.880 you the twenty eight percent. Yeah, to go out and 0:04:02.920 --> 0:04:05.560 find an episode that sounds boring in the title that 0:04:05.600 --> 0:04:08.040 you've not heard and listened to it, and I guarantee 0:04:08.040 --> 0:04:11.360 you you will find it interesting. It's the it's just 0:04:11.680 --> 0:04:12.200 that thing. 0:04:12.440 --> 0:04:17.320 Yeah, one comes to mind. College football rankings interesting to me, 0:04:17.520 --> 0:04:20.440 but boy, our listeners are not into college football. 0:04:20.480 --> 0:04:22.440 But was it for the most part boring? Was it 0:04:22.480 --> 0:04:24.880 really not interesting? There's nothing interesting in there. 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:27.160 I think if you're not into sports at all, then 0:04:27.200 --> 0:04:28.719 it was probably really boring. 0:04:29.360 --> 0:04:32.600 Gotcha? But all right, well we'll avoid that one. Yeah, 0:04:32.640 --> 0:04:34.200 where the guaranteed is void. 0:04:34.400 --> 0:04:36.160 But hey, if you're into sports, you'll love it. 0:04:36.920 --> 0:04:38.600 No. I think on the other end, if you were 0:04:38.600 --> 0:04:40.640 into sports, it was like, well, you guys mess this 0:04:40.760 --> 0:04:41.680 up or you forgot this. 0:04:42.160 --> 0:04:42.480 Yeah. 0:04:42.520 --> 0:04:47.080 Wow. Oh and hey, by the way, congratulations we are 0:04:47.120 --> 0:04:50.360 now an award winning podcast. We got a stitchy is 0:04:50.400 --> 0:04:51.000 that what they're called. 0:04:51.080 --> 0:04:51.880 That's what I made up. 0:04:51.960 --> 0:04:55.120 Mark Marin had to call our names. He hosted these 0:04:55.120 --> 0:04:57.680 Stitchy Awards last night. Oh really Yeah, he won one 0:04:57.720 --> 0:04:59.160 himself for Best Episode. 0:04:59.520 --> 0:05:01.839 Yeah, we nominated for that too, for we were one 0:05:01.880 --> 0:05:02.680 that I didn't think. 0:05:02.640 --> 0:05:03.960 Was like an accidental intervention. 0:05:04.200 --> 0:05:06.039 I mean that was okay, but I would have picked 0:05:06.040 --> 0:05:07.240 a different best Episode. 0:05:07.279 --> 0:05:09.640 I think it was the sacrament bit that really led 0:05:09.720 --> 0:05:15.640 us into that. Yeah, sure on the toast. Yeah okay, 0:05:15.720 --> 0:05:16.719 So anyway, dog. 0:05:16.600 --> 0:05:24.560 Shows, Yeah, conformation shows, not firmation confo r are what 0:05:24.600 --> 0:05:26.400 we're going to talk about for most of the show, 0:05:26.560 --> 0:05:32.120 and that is pure bread dogs competing against other purebread dogs, 0:05:32.760 --> 0:05:36.279 almost exclusively based on physical attributes. 0:05:36.520 --> 0:05:39.760 Yeah, that's the Westminster Dog show that you see every 0:05:39.839 --> 0:05:44.040 year at Madison Square Garden. Yes, it's just yeah, what 0:05:44.080 --> 0:05:49.440 the dog looks like and basically its appearance, its body structure, 0:05:49.640 --> 0:05:51.600 and then to a lesser extent. 0:05:52.400 --> 0:05:53.560 It's dude. 0:05:53.960 --> 0:05:56.400 Yeah, it's attitude. It's a character. 0:05:56.400 --> 0:05:58.840 Because that also what they're trying to do here. If 0:05:58.839 --> 0:06:01.200 you've ever watched a part of this and I love 0:06:01.279 --> 0:06:05.320 that this Uh who wrote this one? Jane McGrath, oh 0:06:05.680 --> 0:06:10.120 old Jane, I remember her. She wrote that, have you 0:06:10.160 --> 0:06:12.719 ever been channel surfing and come across one. I feel 0:06:12.720 --> 0:06:15.800 like a lot of people that is their entrance into 0:06:15.839 --> 0:06:18.200 the dog show world is they're flipping it around in 0:06:18.240 --> 0:06:20.839 February and they go, oh, yeah, that thing right where 0:06:20.920 --> 0:06:24.760 the Christopher Guest movie, Yeah mocked. I'll watch a few 0:06:24.800 --> 0:06:26.960 minutes of that, and I've done that, and I've always 0:06:27.000 --> 0:06:28.880 been like, I don't get it. How are they judging 0:06:28.920 --> 0:06:30.320 these other dogs against each other? 0:06:30.400 --> 0:06:32.280 It's a very good question, and we're here to tell 0:06:32.279 --> 0:06:36.120 you how. Yeah, because you know, you this little Pekinese 0:06:36.200 --> 0:06:40.040 went up against things like Great Danes and Dalmatians and 0:06:40.080 --> 0:06:42.680 Doberman's and all that, and it still beat them all. 0:06:42.720 --> 0:06:45.600 And the way it did that is how they judge 0:06:45.640 --> 0:06:49.280 any kind of confirmation show. They judge the dog by 0:06:49.320 --> 0:06:52.000 the standards of its breed, and then the dog that 0:06:52.200 --> 0:06:56.120 most closely fits those idealized standards. 0:06:56.240 --> 0:07:02.120 Yeah, whens these very specific register I'm gonna say registered standards. 0:07:02.440 --> 0:07:04.159 Yeah. So let me give you an example. I was 0:07:04.160 --> 0:07:07.640 looking this up. There's a and the AKC has developed 0:07:07.640 --> 0:07:12.560 these standards from information taken from breeders. That's right, And they, 0:07:12.880 --> 0:07:17.000 for example, the Lakeland Terrier, one of the standards is 0:07:17.040 --> 0:07:20.800 its attitude, right, and it has the Lakeland terrier has 0:07:20.880 --> 0:07:23.920 quote a bold, gay and friendly with a confident cock 0:07:23.960 --> 0:07:27.040 of the walk attitude. So this is the kind of 0:07:27.040 --> 0:07:31.200 thing that the AKC sits around us. Yeah, basically. 0:07:32.320 --> 0:07:36.560 I love that. In England they have different standards as 0:07:36.600 --> 0:07:38.800 the American Kennel Club and they have a different show 0:07:38.880 --> 0:07:45.080 called cruft C C R U F T S and 0:07:45.160 --> 0:07:46.720 theirs is a little bit different, but we'll get to 0:07:46.720 --> 0:07:47.000 that later. 0:07:47.080 --> 0:07:48.640 Yeah, we'll talk about that in a little bit. For 0:07:48.680 --> 0:07:51.520 the most part, we're focused on Westminster and the AKC. 0:07:52.040 --> 0:07:56.600 So in addition to attitude, yeah, character traits, there's all 0:07:56.600 --> 0:08:00.480 those physical traits that the AKC has made tin on 0:08:00.520 --> 0:08:05.480 each breed. So for example, balance and not how well 0:08:05.520 --> 0:08:08.320 the dog stands up, although the gate is important. Yeah, 0:08:08.320 --> 0:08:10.600 if you talk like falls over, that's probably a bad sign. 0:08:10.720 --> 0:08:13.880 But yeah, it's yeah, it's not gonna win this year. 0:08:15.720 --> 0:08:18.440 Balance is what we would call symmetry for humans. It's 0:08:18.480 --> 0:08:21.040 you know, the overall proportions of its shape and size. 0:08:21.160 --> 0:08:24.080 Yeah, like that Scottish terrier is really pretty except boy, 0:08:24.160 --> 0:08:25.080 look at those ears. 0:08:25.800 --> 0:08:26.800 At the size of its butt. 0:08:26.960 --> 0:08:32.440 Yeah, you're out, sorry, Scottie weight size, eyes and again 0:08:32.559 --> 0:08:35.360 eyes is size and shape and color. Yep, if you 0:08:35.480 --> 0:08:38.400 got that one wonky eye, forget about. 0:08:38.160 --> 0:08:39.840 It unless you're an Australian shepherd. 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:41.640 Yeah, there are they supposed to have one. 0:08:42.120 --> 0:08:43.600 I think they're supposed to have a blue and a 0:08:43.760 --> 0:08:46.520 brown and blue and a brown. Everyone I've seen has. 0:08:46.640 --> 0:08:49.040 Yeah, but what does the AKC say. 0:08:49.440 --> 0:08:50.880 I don't know. They don't care what sloves like you 0:08:50.960 --> 0:08:53.360 and I think the head shape. 0:08:53.200 --> 0:08:57.720 Of course, ears, muzzle, whiskers. 0:08:58.000 --> 0:09:01.600 Thickness of whiskers is oh really yeah, I would think 0:09:01.640 --> 0:09:04.040 they'd be an indicator of poor health. 0:09:05.280 --> 0:09:08.160 What they had bad whiskers, thin whiskers. 0:09:07.960 --> 0:09:12.040 Riddle whiskers. I think you you want nice stout whiskers 0:09:12.120 --> 0:09:16.760 like uh, the centimeter thick each. Okay, that's probably the 0:09:16.800 --> 0:09:19.280 standard for any breed. This is the JKAC. 0:09:19.840 --> 0:09:24.000 Yeah, teeth. You always see them checking out the teeth. 0:09:25.440 --> 0:09:27.520 You don't want any kind of weird scissor bite or 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:31.760 I guess certain breeds have the underbyite. 0:09:32.320 --> 0:09:35.520 Yeah, a lot of them do. The breaker, ye old Cardie. Yeah. 0:09:35.559 --> 0:09:40.480 Our own Jerry's dog, Charlie, I recently learned, has a 0:09:40.520 --> 0:09:43.280 bit of a little underbite and sometimes the lip will 0:09:43.280 --> 0:09:45.920 get hung and the little bottom teeth are just kind 0:09:45.920 --> 0:09:46.679 of jutted out there. 0:09:46.720 --> 0:09:47.520 It's very cute. 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:49.320 It's very cute. You want to go over and like 0:09:49.440 --> 0:09:51.360 adjust the lip, so here you go. 0:09:52.240 --> 0:09:55.080 Yeah. Most I like dogs that have like teeth sticking 0:09:55.120 --> 0:10:01.720 like cheeseus. Yeah, boxers too, right, Boxers, Pugs, Pekinese. 0:10:02.400 --> 0:10:03.040 Oh did that one? 0:10:03.480 --> 0:10:07.240 Yeah, they all have that. It's it's like brechial cardie. 0:10:07.480 --> 0:10:11.000 It's like anything with a smushed face usually has an 0:10:11.080 --> 0:10:11.960 underbite as well. 0:10:12.160 --> 0:10:15.800 Okay, teeth, all right, we just said teeth, tail, I 0:10:15.840 --> 0:10:17.880 mean shoulders. 0:10:18.280 --> 0:10:19.880 And these these dudes are feeling. 0:10:19.960 --> 0:10:23.200 These judges are feeling these dogs as well, like muscle 0:10:23.240 --> 0:10:26.480 and bone, like they're trying to get under the fur. Yeah, 0:10:26.520 --> 0:10:27.560 to judge these things. 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:29.199 So one of the big things your dog has to 0:10:29.280 --> 0:10:33.240 learn very early on is to let strangers feel them up. Yeah, 0:10:33.320 --> 0:10:35.319 in all sorts of uncomfortable places. 0:10:35.520 --> 0:10:37.520 Yeah, you don't want your dog snapping at this guy 0:10:37.600 --> 0:10:39.360 when he fondles your dog. 0:10:39.600 --> 0:10:41.439 And if your dog snaps at the judge and then 0:10:41.520 --> 0:10:44.040 falls over, just go home. 0:10:44.280 --> 0:10:47.360 It's all over. What they say invest In show. When 0:10:47.400 --> 0:10:49.319 the dog broke his gate, the one guy, so he 0:10:49.400 --> 0:10:50.960 might as well just take in a dump right there. 0:10:50.800 --> 0:10:53.840 On the floor. Yeah, Michael McKean said that he's awesome. 0:10:54.240 --> 0:10:57.720 And then of course there's coat length and texture and color, 0:10:58.200 --> 0:11:01.520 and very much like thoroughbred horses, there's accepted colors for 0:11:01.559 --> 0:11:04.720 each breed. Yeah. You got a dog that's blue and 0:11:04.760 --> 0:11:07.520 it's supposed to be a golden retriever, you got problems. 0:11:07.559 --> 0:11:09.679 Yeah, if you got a blue Retriever, you have many problems. 0:11:09.720 --> 0:11:12.360 Although you could probably make some money taking it around 0:11:12.360 --> 0:11:14.640 the country taking an old timey circus. 0:11:14.920 --> 0:11:18.839 Where you can't make money is by winning the Westminster 0:11:18.960 --> 0:11:19.440 Dog Show. 0:11:19.720 --> 0:11:20.760 Yeah, that's a good point. 0:11:20.800 --> 0:11:22.760 You would think that these these things offer like big 0:11:22.800 --> 0:11:25.920 cash prizes, but they don't. It is really about prestige 0:11:26.000 --> 0:11:29.840 and being one of those dog show people, like you know, 0:11:29.920 --> 0:11:32.000 wearing that ribbon and getting that trophy. 0:11:32.200 --> 0:11:36.800 Sure, wearing sensible shoes and you know, learning to walk 0:11:36.920 --> 0:11:37.440 very fast. 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:40.960 That's rightly because your gate matters is a human right, 0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:41.360 you know. 0:11:41.960 --> 0:11:45.480 So you put all this together right, and these judges 0:11:45.520 --> 0:11:47.920 know the standards for the breeds, and when they're looking 0:11:47.960 --> 0:11:50.679 at this these dogs, they're saying they're matching it up 0:11:50.720 --> 0:11:55.520 to their mental catalog they have. And then the ones 0:11:55.559 --> 0:11:59.040 that most closely matched the idealized version of the breed, 0:11:59.080 --> 0:12:02.880 like we said, wins boom, and that's how you get 0:12:02.920 --> 0:12:06.640 the little you know, loss of apso or the Pekinese 0:12:06.679 --> 0:12:08.640 that can beat out like a Great Dane or a 0:12:08.679 --> 0:12:11.840 German Shepherd or something like that. That's how they compare them. 0:12:11.960 --> 0:12:14.400 Yeah, and that's only been going on since I say, 0:12:14.440 --> 0:12:17.280 only since nineteen oh seven. Previous to that, and this 0:12:17.320 --> 0:12:20.160 has been going on at Madison Square Garden and in 0:12:20.160 --> 0:12:22.280 New York City since eighteen seventy seven. 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:24.319 Yeah, they did all the time, big time. 0:12:24.360 --> 0:12:26.760 They didn't have a best in Show at all until 0:12:26.840 --> 0:12:29.120 nineteen oh seven because they said, you know, how do 0:12:29.160 --> 0:12:32.360 we codify this right? And they did. 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:33.920 They figured it out. 0:12:33.760 --> 0:12:37.240 And it's really Jane says, it sounds confusing, but once 0:12:37.280 --> 0:12:39.439 I spell it out, it's simple. But it's still a 0:12:39.440 --> 0:12:40.160 little confusing. 0:12:40.360 --> 0:12:43.120 Yeah, it took me a couple of times to figure 0:12:43.160 --> 0:12:45.280 this out. There's just a lot of steps. She does 0:12:45.280 --> 0:12:47.520 a great job of explaining, and it's just there's a 0:12:47.520 --> 0:12:50.600 lot to it. So you want to explain this of 0:12:50.679 --> 0:12:52.720 the Westminster Dog Show, we should say is the pinnacle, 0:12:52.800 --> 0:12:56.440 the peak in the United States for any dog. But 0:12:56.480 --> 0:12:58.680 there's a long road ahead of it. Like we said, 0:12:58.960 --> 0:13:02.640 Alaki the winner of twenty twelve show had one hundred 0:13:02.640 --> 0:13:05.240 and fourteen best in shows under its belt. 0:13:06.000 --> 0:13:08.080 Yeah, and Jane called it the super Bowl. I would 0:13:08.080 --> 0:13:10.520 say it's more like an All Star Game if the 0:13:10.559 --> 0:13:14.600 All Star Game counted for something very picky, you know, 0:13:14.760 --> 0:13:17.000 because it's all these all stars from the different breeds 0:13:17.000 --> 0:13:19.360 from all these shows, right making this final. 0:13:20.280 --> 0:13:23.400 It's like the Little League World Series for dog. 0:13:24.920 --> 0:13:29.520 Great, It's like the Chess. It's like Bobby what's his 0:13:29.600 --> 0:13:33.000 face Fisher? Fisher almost said, Bobby Riggs. Man, you guys 0:13:33.440 --> 0:13:34.280 like tennis. 0:13:33.960 --> 0:13:36.640 Story who Bobby Riggs? Bobby Fisher? 0:13:36.760 --> 0:13:37.920 Oh yeah, sad. 0:13:38.080 --> 0:13:39.920 Did you ever see Searching for Bobby Fisher? It did. 0:13:39.960 --> 0:13:42.760 It was great movie. Here's Back. And then you know, 0:13:42.800 --> 0:13:48.640 of course that song One Night in Bangkok. Yeah, it's 0:13:48.679 --> 0:13:50.840 from a Broadway show and I can't remember what the 0:13:50.880 --> 0:13:54.320 Broadway show is, but it was based on Bobby Fisher 0:13:54.679 --> 0:13:56.400 in his life and how he moved to asing just 0:13:56.800 --> 0:13:59.359 evolved into madness. That song is about Bobby. 0:13:59.080 --> 0:14:01.040 Fisher, and that was from a Broadway show as far 0:14:01.040 --> 0:14:03.320 as I know. Yes, And then the pop version was 0:14:03.520 --> 0:14:05.920 just re recorded by whoever that was. 0:14:06.040 --> 0:14:09.840 Possibly by the original composers. But for the radio. 0:14:10.000 --> 0:14:14.040 I thought one night in Bangkok was about you would 0:14:14.080 --> 0:14:18.000 think never mind, I was gonna bring up all you 0:14:18.000 --> 0:14:20.000 had to do was just in there. Yeah, it was 0:14:20.040 --> 0:14:22.720 a Gary glitter, That's what I was thinking. 0:14:23.760 --> 0:14:25.280 Yeah, I don't think so. I think he got in 0:14:25.320 --> 0:14:27.400 trouble in Bangkok, if you know what I mean. He did, 0:14:27.440 --> 0:14:30.800 and he recently got in trouble with the whole Jimmy Seville. 0:14:31.360 --> 0:14:33.400 Oh yeah, he was part of that too, apparently, So 0:14:34.080 --> 0:14:39.360 gross man, what a sidetrack that was? So okay? To 0:14:39.440 --> 0:14:43.800 be a champion, right, this is what a dog gaime's 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:45.600 for is to be a champion. That's right, Because if 0:14:45.600 --> 0:14:49.640 you're a champion, you get to add as a prefix 0:14:49.680 --> 0:14:50.160 to your name. 0:14:50.320 --> 0:14:53.800 Yeah, like I would be then Chuck if I were 0:14:53.800 --> 0:14:54.800 a champion. 0:14:54.440 --> 0:14:57.000 Dog, Yeah, you'd be Chi Chuck Cha Chuck. 0:14:59.120 --> 0:15:02.000 All right, So let's walk everyone through this, right, yeah, 0:15:02.240 --> 0:15:04.040 all right. To be a champion, you got to get 0:15:04.120 --> 0:15:07.480 compile a certain number of points and you earn these 0:15:07.520 --> 0:15:10.240 points at different dog show competitions around the country that 0:15:10.280 --> 0:15:11.880 are not the Westminster Show. 0:15:12.000 --> 0:15:13.520 Yeah, and from different judges. 0:15:14.080 --> 0:15:16.360 Right, you got to get at least fifteen points from 0:15:16.440 --> 0:15:19.640 three different judges or at least two major wins from 0:15:19.680 --> 0:15:22.720 separate judges, and a major win is one where you 0:15:22.720 --> 0:15:25.400 can earn three, four or five points, and that's when 0:15:25.440 --> 0:15:26.040 you can get the. 0:15:27.720 --> 0:15:28.240 Right as a. 0:15:28.240 --> 0:15:30.840 Champion just for that little show though, right, or no, 0:15:30.920 --> 0:15:32.200 for the compilation of those shows. 0:15:32.280 --> 0:15:51.800 Yeah, yeah, right, So. 0:15:53.240 --> 0:15:55.960 When you get this, when you get to become a champion, 0:15:56.360 --> 0:15:58.800 and when you have I think it's fifteen points and 0:15:58.920 --> 0:16:03.680 two major wins from separate judges. Yes, you're right, you 0:16:04.760 --> 0:16:07.239 get to this point. Also, like you said, it's not Westminster, 0:16:07.280 --> 0:16:10.040 it's these little specialty shows. Sure, and I don't mean 0:16:10.160 --> 0:16:12.400 little to diminished, And I'm just saying compared to Westminster, 0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:15.920 they're much smaller. It's not on ESPN and there's specialty shows. Well, 0:16:15.920 --> 0:16:20.520 it's on the O Show. I'll bet these specialty shows 0:16:20.560 --> 0:16:24.400 are based on specific breeds, so you'll go to like 0:16:24.440 --> 0:16:30.120 the Chuaua Show or the Lakeland Terrier show. Right, and 0:16:30.600 --> 0:16:35.840 the dogs are separated between male and female. And we 0:16:35.840 --> 0:16:37.480 can say the B word in this one because it's 0:16:37.520 --> 0:16:38.120 what it's called. 0:16:38.400 --> 0:16:41.880 That's my new band name, by the way, What Winter's bitch? 0:16:42.000 --> 0:16:47.600 Okay, And the males and the females are then separated 0:16:47.640 --> 0:16:52.000 into six different classes. Yes, you've got the puppy class, 0:16:52.680 --> 0:16:57.760 the twelve to eighteen month old class novice. So those 0:16:57.760 --> 0:17:01.480 are dogs that are six months or older that haven't 0:17:01.480 --> 0:17:04.600 won any points yet, haven't won any first place prizes. 0:17:04.720 --> 0:17:06.560 Yeah, so they can be a little older, but they're 0:17:06.600 --> 0:17:09.480 still rookies as far as the competition stage goes. 0:17:09.400 --> 0:17:12.000 Right, and six months is the minimum age to compete 0:17:12.000 --> 0:17:15.160 in an AKC show. Yeah, below that, you're just there's 0:17:15.200 --> 0:17:19.000 no way. Yeah, they're too dumb, too unpredictable. Bread by 0:17:19.080 --> 0:17:22.879 exhibitor is a class of dogs where the person showing 0:17:22.920 --> 0:17:25.240 the dog is also the breeder. Yeah, and the breeder, 0:17:25.320 --> 0:17:26.920 by the way, is the owner of the dog's mother. 0:17:27.400 --> 0:17:27.600 Right. 0:17:28.800 --> 0:17:32.760 There's American bread, which is any dog born in the US, sure, USA, 0:17:33.720 --> 0:17:35.960 And then there's open. The open class is open to 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:39.080 any dog, and this is the only class that any 0:17:39.119 --> 0:17:42.040 dog that's already become a champion can compete in. In 0:17:42.080 --> 0:17:45.640 the specialty show, oh they are Yeah, that's the only 0:17:45.640 --> 0:17:47.480 class open to the Oh okay, because they could just 0:17:47.520 --> 0:17:49.639 mop up all the other classes, they have to face 0:17:49.720 --> 0:17:51.760 any takers, Okay, in the open class. 0:17:51.960 --> 0:17:53.880 That's a good way to put it. Yeah, So they 0:17:53.880 --> 0:17:56.040 divide it up by male and female. The males go first, 0:17:56.119 --> 0:17:58.760 and they, you know, inspect all the males as they 0:17:58.760 --> 0:17:59.800 do at any of the shows. 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:02.800 You know what that means, fondling. Yeah. 0:18:02.840 --> 0:18:05.280 You give them the award ribbons first through fourth place, 0:18:06.000 --> 0:18:08.680 and you don't get any points at this point, though, 0:18:08.760 --> 0:18:11.199 the first place winners of the male class have to 0:18:11.240 --> 0:18:14.679 compete for the Winner's dog. The female's class compete for 0:18:14.720 --> 0:18:17.720 winner's bitch. You want to say it, I've said it 0:18:17.720 --> 0:18:18.440 twice now. 0:18:18.359 --> 0:18:20.480 I don't want to say it. I find it difficult 0:18:20.520 --> 0:18:24.320 to say. Oh really, it's just the connotations are sure. 0:18:24.359 --> 0:18:27.399 You know I've never used that word in like anger 0:18:27.520 --> 0:18:28.720 about someone. 0:18:28.600 --> 0:18:32.640 That's it's a it's a very rough it's a terrible word. Yeah, 0:18:32.920 --> 0:18:33.520 And I don't. I don't. 0:18:33.560 --> 0:18:35.160 I don't think that makes me a good person or anything. 0:18:35.240 --> 0:18:37.399 But there's just a couple of things that like, I 0:18:37.400 --> 0:18:39.520 wouldn't call my worst enemy, and that's one of them. 0:18:39.880 --> 0:18:42.560 Gotcha, I don't have any enemies. 0:18:42.600 --> 0:18:43.560 So what am I talking about? 0:18:43.760 --> 0:18:47.480 So you've got the winner's dog and the Winner's bitch. Yep, 0:18:48.880 --> 0:18:51.560 and uh, this is this is the point where they 0:18:51.600 --> 0:18:55.359 start winning awards, winning points points. I mean I'm sorry. 0:18:56.359 --> 0:18:59.240 So this is all these different dogs have been weeded 0:18:59.280 --> 0:19:02.160 out by the different classes, and then there there you've 0:19:02.160 --> 0:19:06.359 got the out of all these six classes of the male, 0:19:06.840 --> 0:19:08.920 male version and the female version, you have winners, right. 0:19:09.359 --> 0:19:11.680 And then there's so this is where the points start 0:19:11.800 --> 0:19:14.240 being awarded. Then there's chances for more points in the 0:19:14.280 --> 0:19:19.320 same show. Any champion can come along and take the 0:19:19.359 --> 0:19:23.640 winners on for best in Show or best in breed. 0:19:24.040 --> 0:19:26.880 Yes, and you can, and you compile extra points depending 0:19:26.880 --> 0:19:29.159 on how many dogs they beat out. So if you 0:19:29.160 --> 0:19:30.720 beat out a bunch of more dogs, you can turn 0:19:30.800 --> 0:19:32.160 up to five points. 0:19:31.880 --> 0:19:33.879 Right, five to the most. And remember a major win 0:19:34.040 --> 0:19:36.720 is three, four or five points in a win. Yes, okay, 0:19:37.520 --> 0:19:40.600 So you can win some by being the winner's dog 0:19:40.680 --> 0:19:43.680 or the winner's bitch. You can the champions can take 0:19:43.720 --> 0:19:46.280 those guys on in the best of breed yep. And 0:19:46.359 --> 0:19:49.639 then between those two the winners bitch and the winner 0:19:50.240 --> 0:19:55.000 winn's dog, there's another walk off I guess, yeah, and 0:19:55.640 --> 0:19:58.200 they can win points whoever be two? And then there's 0:19:58.240 --> 0:19:59.760 the best of opposite sex. 0:20:00.040 --> 0:20:02.439 Yeah, that was the best of winners, right, and then 0:20:02.480 --> 0:20:05.320 the best of opposite sex, which it says the best 0:20:05.320 --> 0:20:07.160 dog of the opposite sex of the best of breed. 0:20:07.760 --> 0:20:10.560 Yes, so whichever dog, whether it's the Winter's dog, the 0:20:10.600 --> 0:20:13.760