1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, it's Josham. For this week's select, I've chosen 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 1: our twenty twelve episode on dog shows. You know, I've 3 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:09,880 Speaker 1: always wondered what the deal is with dog shows? How 4 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:12,800 Speaker 1: do you compare a poodle to a Pekinese to a 5 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:17,159 Speaker 1: Parfa Geffen? I made that last one up regardless, it 6 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: turns out there's a whole fascinating world going on beneath 7 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:22,120 Speaker 1: the surface of dog shows. And if you just sit 8 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 1: back and enjoy this app, you'll learn all about it. 9 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio. Hey, 10 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:43,879 Speaker 1: and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark with me 11 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:47,160 Speaker 1: as always as Charles W Chuck Bryant. And that makes 12 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: this stuff you should know. 13 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 2: The podcast indeed about dogs my favorite topic. 14 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's one of them. 15 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 2: What else I don't know? 16 00:00:57,320 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: Dogs? 17 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:00,280 Speaker 2: I'm one of those people that like dogs. 18 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 1: More than many humans. 19 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:06,919 Speaker 2: Sure, so, as you know, and so you know, although 20 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 2: dog shows I'm not real big on. 21 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: I love watching dog shows, yeah, I just I've never 22 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 1: gotten into them. I know there's criticism, there's controversy, but. 23 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 2: I don't care about that. I just I'm kind of 24 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:18,400 Speaker 2: bored watching them. 25 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:23,680 Speaker 1: I never get bored. It's almost like watching a fractal 26 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: screensaver or something. It sucks me into that level of 27 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:29,960 Speaker 1: like just zoned altitude? 28 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 2: Is it point? Is it appointment television for you? Like? 29 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 2: Do you make a point every February something? 30 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:40,479 Speaker 1: I think? I think last year it was Valentine's Day? 31 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, it's early February. 32 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. Last year when a little Pekinese one in Malachy, 33 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: I think I remember seeing that dog. Look at that dog. 34 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: It's faces mushed, but beyond cute. Look at that hair. 35 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: So apparently, if you want to blow up the Twitter 36 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: verse with angry tweets, you can talk politics, you can 37 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 1: talk religion, or you can hold the Westminster Dog Show 38 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: and selective best in show. People get pretty upset. Man, 39 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:14,639 Speaker 1: people went crazy last year. 40 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 2: So like, what like you commenting or just in the 41 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 2: Twitter universe? 42 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: People on Twitter? Okay, yeah, no, I'm just a fan. 43 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 1: I don't I don't don't tweeted during the show. No, no, 44 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 1: no no. I live tweet very infrequently. It's it's tough 45 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 1: on the thumbs, sure, but so Malichi, this little cute 46 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 1: four year old Pekinese won Best in Show and people 47 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 1: were really mad. They called it a mop cousin it 48 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: Heraldo Rivera's mustache a wookie snooky for some reason, maybe 49 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 1: just because it rhymes with wookie, and that's what they 50 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 1: were going for. And they had just been watching Jersey Shore. 51 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: Who knows that's silly, but Malichy is no slouch. It 52 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:00,679 Speaker 1: had won one hundred and fourteen Best in Show awards. Wow, 53 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: only four years old, so this thing's been mopping up 54 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 1: the competition. Yeah. Oh man, it just made myself shiver. Yeah, 55 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:12,679 Speaker 1: but people were crazy. They One guy said he was 56 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 1: a fan of the Dalmatian. He said, I'm done with 57 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 1: these dog shows, and I think that happens every year. 58 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 2: We can untill the next dog show exactly. 59 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:22,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of people who feel very passionately 60 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 1: about dog shows. There's plenty of people like me who 61 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 1: love to just zone out and watch them. Sure, and 62 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 1: then you know there's people who just don't know anything 63 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: about them. And that's what we're here for today, to 64 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: explain everything there is to know about how dog shows work. 65 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 2: That's right, and this will either be really interesting to 66 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 2: you or you may just zone out like Josh does 67 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 2: watching the Westminster Show. 68 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: You know, though, I don't think we've ever released an 69 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 1: uninteresting episode. Maybe they have uninteresting titles. But you go 70 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 1: on and you listen to it, it will interest you. 71 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: I defy you right now. Stuff. You should know listeners 72 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: who haven't listened to every single episode, so we'll call 73 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 1: you the twenty eight percent. Yeah, to go out and 74 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: find an episode that sounds boring in the title that 75 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 1: you've not heard and listened to it, and I guarantee 76 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: you you will find it interesting. It's the it's just 77 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 1: that thing. 78 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, one comes to mind. College football rankings interesting to me, 79 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 2: but boy, our listeners are not into college football. 80 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 1: But was it for the most part boring? Was it 81 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 1: really not interesting? There's nothing interesting in there. 82 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:27,160 Speaker 2: I think if you're not into sports at all, then 83 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:28,719 Speaker 2: it was probably really boring. 84 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:32,600 Speaker 1: Gotcha? But all right, well we'll avoid that one. Yeah, 85 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 1: where the guaranteed is void. 86 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:36,160 Speaker 2: But hey, if you're into sports, you'll love it. 87 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 1: No. I think on the other end, if you were 88 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 1: into sports, it was like, well, you guys mess this 89 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 1: up or you forgot this. 90 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:42,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. 91 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 1: Wow. Oh and hey, by the way, congratulations we are 92 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 1: now an award winning podcast. We got a stitchy is 93 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: that what they're called. 94 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 2: That's what I made up. 95 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: Mark Marin had to call our names. He hosted these 96 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 1: Stitchy Awards last night. Oh really Yeah, he won one 97 00:04:57,720 --> 00:04:59,160 Speaker 1: himself for Best Episode. 98 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:01,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, we nominated for that too, for we were one 99 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 2: that I didn't think. 100 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: Was like an accidental intervention. 101 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 2: I mean that was okay, but I would have picked 102 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 2: a different best Episode. 103 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: I think it was the sacrament bit that really led 104 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 1: us into that. Yeah, sure on the toast. Yeah okay, 105 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 1: So anyway, dog. 106 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 2: Shows, Yeah, conformation shows, not firmation confo r are what 107 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 2: we're going to talk about for most of the show, 108 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 2: and that is pure bread dogs competing against other purebread dogs, 109 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:36,279 Speaker 2: almost exclusively based on physical attributes. 110 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the Westminster Dog show that you see every 111 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 1: year at Madison Square Garden. Yes, it's just yeah, what 112 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 1: the dog looks like and basically its appearance, its body structure, 113 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:51,600 Speaker 1: and then to a lesser extent. 114 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 2: It's dude. 115 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's attitude. It's a character. 116 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:58,840 Speaker 2: Because that also what they're trying to do here. If 117 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 2: you've ever watched a part of this and I love 118 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 2: that this Uh who wrote this one? Jane McGrath, oh 119 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 2: old Jane, I remember her. She wrote that, have you 120 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:12,719 Speaker 2: ever been channel surfing and come across one. I feel 121 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 2: like a lot of people that is their entrance into 122 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 2: the dog show world is they're flipping it around in 123 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:20,839 Speaker 2: February and they go, oh, yeah, that thing right where 124 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 2: the Christopher Guest movie, Yeah mocked. I'll watch a few 125 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 2: minutes of that, and I've done that, and I've always 126 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 2: been like, I don't get it. How are they judging 127 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 2: these other dogs against each other? 128 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:32,280 Speaker 1: It's a very good question, and we're here to tell 129 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: you how. Yeah, because you know, you this little Pekinese 130 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 1: went up against things like Great Danes and Dalmatians and 131 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 1: Doberman's and all that, and it still beat them all. 132 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,600 Speaker 1: And the way it did that is how they judge 133 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:49,280 Speaker 1: any kind of confirmation show. They judge the dog by 134 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 1: the standards of its breed, and then the dog that 135 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 1: most closely fits those idealized standards. 136 00:06:56,240 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, whens these very specific register I'm gonna say registered standards. 137 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:04,159 Speaker 1: Yeah. So let me give you an example. I was 138 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 1: looking this up. There's a and the AKC has developed 139 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 1: these standards from information taken from breeders. That's right, And they, 140 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 1: for example, the Lakeland Terrier, one of the standards is 141 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 1: its attitude, right, and it has the Lakeland terrier has 142 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 1: quote a bold, gay and friendly with a confident cock 143 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 1: of the walk attitude. So this is the kind of 144 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 1: thing that the AKC sits around us. Yeah, basically. 145 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 2: I love that. In England they have different standards as 146 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 2: the American Kennel Club and they have a different show 147 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 2: called cruft C C R U F T S and 148 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 2: theirs is a little bit different, but we'll get to 149 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 2: that later. 150 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll talk about that in a little bit. For 151 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 1: the most part, we're focused on Westminster and the AKC. 152 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 1: So in addition to attitude, yeah, character traits, there's all 153 00:07:56,600 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: those physical traits that the AKC has made tin on 154 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 1: each breed. So for example, balance and not how well 155 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: the dog stands up, although the gate is important. Yeah, 156 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: if you talk like falls over, that's probably a bad sign. 157 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: But yeah, it's yeah, it's not gonna win this year. 158 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 1: Balance is what we would call symmetry for humans. It's 159 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 1: you know, the overall proportions of its shape and size. 160 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, like that Scottish terrier is really pretty except boy, 161 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 2: look at those ears. 162 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: At the size of its butt. 163 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're out, sorry, Scottie weight size, eyes and again 164 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 2: eyes is size and shape and color. Yep, if you 165 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 2: got that one wonky eye, forget about. 166 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 1: It unless you're an Australian shepherd. 167 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, there are they supposed to have one. 168 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 1: I think they're supposed to have a blue and a 169 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: brown and blue and a brown. Everyone I've seen has. 170 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, but what does the AKC say. 171 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 1: I don't know. They don't care what sloves like you 172 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 1: and I think the head shape. 173 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 2: Of course, ears, muzzle, whiskers. 174 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 1: Thickness of whiskers is oh really yeah, I would think 175 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 1: they'd be an indicator of poor health. 176 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 2: What they had bad whiskers, thin whiskers. 177 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 1: Riddle whiskers. I think you you want nice stout whiskers 178 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: like uh, the centimeter thick each. Okay, that's probably the 179 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 1: standard for any breed. This is the JKAC. 180 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, teeth. You always see them checking out the teeth. 181 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 2: You don't want any kind of weird scissor bite or 182 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 2: I guess certain breeds have the underbyite. 183 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of them do. The breaker, ye old Cardie. Yeah. 184 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 2: Our own Jerry's dog, Charlie, I recently learned, has a 185 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 2: bit of a little underbite and sometimes the lip will 186 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 2: get hung and the little bottom teeth are just kind 187 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:46,679 Speaker 2: of jutted out there. 188 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: It's very cute. 189 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 2: It's very cute. You want to go over and like 190 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 2: adjust the lip, so here you go. 191 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. Most I like dogs that have like teeth sticking 192 00:09:55,120 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 1: like cheeseus. Yeah, boxers too, right, Boxers, Pugs, Pekinese. 193 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 2: Oh did that one? 194 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, they all have that. It's it's like brechial cardie. 195 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 1: It's like anything with a smushed face usually has an 196 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 1: underbite as well. 197 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 2: Okay, teeth, all right, we just said teeth, tail, I 198 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 2: mean shoulders. 199 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: And these these dudes are feeling. 200 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 2: These judges are feeling these dogs as well, like muscle 201 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 2: and bone, like they're trying to get under the fur. Yeah, 202 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 2: to judge these things. 203 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:29,199 Speaker 1: So one of the big things your dog has to 204 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: learn very early on is to let strangers feel them up. Yeah, 205 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:35,319 Speaker 1: in all sorts of uncomfortable places. 206 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't want your dog snapping at this guy 207 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 2: when he fondles your dog. 208 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:41,439 Speaker 1: And if your dog snaps at the judge and then 209 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: falls over, just go home. 210 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 2: It's all over. What they say invest In show. When 211 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:49,319 Speaker 2: the dog broke his gate, the one guy, so he 212 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:50,960 Speaker 2: might as well just take in a dump right there. 213 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 1: On the floor. Yeah, Michael McKean said that he's awesome. 214 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 1: And then of course there's coat length and texture and color, 215 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: and very much like thoroughbred horses, there's accepted colors for 216 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 1: each breed. Yeah. You got a dog that's blue and 217 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 1: it's supposed to be a golden retriever, you got problems. 218 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:09,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, if you got a blue Retriever, you have many problems. 219 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 1: Although you could probably make some money taking it around 220 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 1: the country taking an old timey circus. 221 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:18,839 Speaker 2: Where you can't make money is by winning the Westminster 222 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 2: Dog Show. 223 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good point. 224 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 2: You would think that these these things offer like big 225 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 2: cash prizes, but they don't. It is really about prestige 226 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 2: and being one of those dog show people, like you know, 227 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 2: wearing that ribbon and getting that trophy. 228 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 1: Sure, wearing sensible shoes and you know, learning to walk 229 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:37,440 Speaker 1: very fast. 230 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 2: That's rightly because your gate matters is a human right, 231 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 2: you know. 232 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 1: So you put all this together right, and these judges 233 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 1: know the standards for the breeds, and when they're looking 234 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:50,679 Speaker 1: at this these dogs, they're saying they're matching it up 235 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 1: to their mental catalog they have. And then the ones 236 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 1: that most closely matched the idealized version of the breed, 237 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 1: like we said, wins boom, and that's how you get 238 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 1: the little you know, loss of apso or the Pekinese 239 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 1: that can beat out like a Great Dane or a 240 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 1: German Shepherd or something like that. That's how they compare them. 241 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's only been going on since I say, 242 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 2: only since nineteen oh seven. Previous to that, and this 243 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 2: has been going on at Madison Square Garden and in 244 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 2: New York City since eighteen seventy seven. 245 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:24,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, they did all the time, big time. 246 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 2: They didn't have a best in Show at all until 247 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 2: nineteen oh seven because they said, you know, how do 248 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 2: we codify this right? And they did. 249 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: They figured it out. 250 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 2: And it's really Jane says, it sounds confusing, but once 251 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:39,439 Speaker 2: I spell it out, it's simple. But it's still a 252 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 2: little confusing. 253 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, it took me a couple of times to figure 254 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 1: this out. There's just a lot of steps. She does 255 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 1: a great job of explaining, and it's just there's a 256 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 1: lot to it. So you want to explain this of 257 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 1: the Westminster Dog Show, we should say is the pinnacle, 258 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 1: the peak in the United States for any dog. But 259 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:58,680 Speaker 1: there's a long road ahead of it. Like we said, 260 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 1: Alaki the winner of twenty twelve show had one hundred 261 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 1: and fourteen best in shows under its belt. 262 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, and Jane called it the super Bowl. I would 263 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 2: say it's more like an All Star Game if the 264 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 2: All Star Game counted for something very picky, you know, 265 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 2: because it's all these all stars from the different breeds 266 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 2: from all these shows, right making this final. 267 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: It's like the Little League World Series for dog. 268 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 2: Great, It's like the Chess. It's like Bobby what's his 269 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 2: face Fisher? Fisher almost said, Bobby Riggs. Man, you guys 270 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 2: like tennis. 271 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 1: Story who Bobby Riggs? Bobby Fisher? 272 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, sad. 273 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 1: Did you ever see Searching for Bobby Fisher? It did. 274 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 1: It was great movie. Here's Back. And then you know, 275 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 1: of course that song One Night in Bangkok. Yeah, it's 276 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 1: from a Broadway show and I can't remember what the 277 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 1: Broadway show is, but it was based on Bobby Fisher 278 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 1: in his life and how he moved to asing just 279 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:59,359 Speaker 1: evolved into madness. That song is about Bobby. 280 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 2: Fisher, and that was from a Broadway show as far 281 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:03,320 Speaker 2: as I know. Yes, And then the pop version was 282 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 2: just re recorded by whoever that was. 283 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 1: Possibly by the original composers. But for the radio. 284 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 2: I thought one night in Bangkok was about you would 285 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 2: think never mind, I was gonna bring up all you 286 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 2: had to do was just in there. Yeah, it was 287 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 2: a Gary glitter, That's what I was thinking. 288 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think so. I think he got in 289 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 1: trouble in Bangkok, if you know what I mean. He did, 290 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 1: and he recently got in trouble with the whole Jimmy Seville. 291 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he was part of that too, apparently, So 292 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 1: gross man, what a sidetrack that was? So okay? To 293 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 1: be a champion, right, this is what a dog gaime's 294 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 1: for is to be a champion. That's right, Because if 295 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 1: you're a champion, you get to add as a prefix 296 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 1: to your name. 297 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, like I would be then Chuck if I were 298 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 2: a champion. 299 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 1: Dog, Yeah, you'd be Chi Chuck Cha Chuck. 300 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 2: All right, So let's walk everyone through this, right, yeah, 301 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 2: all right. To be a champion, you got to get 302 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 2: compile a certain number of points and you earn these 303 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 2: points at different dog show competitions around the country that 304 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 2: are not the Westminster Show. 305 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, and from different judges. 306 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 2: Right, you got to get at least fifteen points from 307 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 2: three different judges or at least two major wins from 308 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 2: separate judges, and a major win is one where you 309 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 2: can earn three, four or five points, and that's when 310 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 2: you can get the. 311 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 1: Right as a. 312 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 2: Champion just for that little show though, right, or no, 313 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 2: for the compilation of those shows. 314 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, right, So. 315 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 1: When you get this, when you get to become a champion, 316 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: and when you have I think it's fifteen points and 317 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 1: two major wins from separate judges. Yes, you're right, you 318 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:07,239 Speaker 1: get to this point. Also, like you said, it's not Westminster, 319 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 1: it's these little specialty shows. Sure, and I don't mean 320 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 1: little to diminished, And I'm just saying compared to Westminster, 321 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 1: they're much smaller. It's not on ESPN and there's specialty shows. Well, 322 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 1: it's on the O Show. I'll bet these specialty shows 323 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 1: are based on specific breeds, so you'll go to like 324 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 1: the Chuaua Show or the Lakeland Terrier show. Right, and 325 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 1: the dogs are separated between male and female. And we 326 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 1: can say the B word in this one because it's 327 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 1: what it's called. 328 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 2: That's my new band name, by the way, What Winter's bitch? 329 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 1: Okay, And the males and the females are then separated 330 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 1: into six different classes. Yes, you've got the puppy class, 331 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: the twelve to eighteen month old class novice. So those 332 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 1: are dogs that are six months or older that haven't 333 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 1: won any points yet, haven't won any first place prizes. 334 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, so they can be a little older, but they're 335 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 2: still rookies as far as the competition stage goes. 336 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 1: Right, and six months is the minimum age to compete 337 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:15,160 Speaker 1: in an AKC show. Yeah, below that, you're just there's 338 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: no way. Yeah, they're too dumb, too unpredictable. Bread by 339 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:22,879 Speaker 1: exhibitor is a class of dogs where the person showing 340 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 1: the dog is also the breeder. Yeah, and the breeder, 341 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:26,920 Speaker 1: by the way, is the owner of the dog's mother. 342 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 2: Right. 343 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 1: There's American bread, which is any dog born in the US, sure, USA, 344 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 1: And then there's open. The open class is open to 345 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 1: any dog, and this is the only class that any 346 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 1: dog that's already become a champion can compete in. In 347 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:45,640 Speaker 1: the specialty show, oh they are Yeah, that's the only 348 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 1: class open to the Oh okay, because they could just 349 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:49,639 Speaker 1: mop up all the other classes, they have to face 350 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 1: any takers, Okay, in the open class. 351 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:53,880 Speaker 2: That's a good way to put it. Yeah, So they 352 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 2: divide it up by male and female. The males go first, 353 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 2: and they, you know, inspect all the males as they 354 00:17:58,760 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 2: do at any of the shows. 355 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 1: You know what that means, fondling. Yeah. 356 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 2: You give them the award ribbons first through fourth place, 357 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,680 Speaker 2: and you don't get any points at this point, though, 358 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:11,199 Speaker 2: the first place winners of the male class have to 359 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:14,679 Speaker 2: compete for the Winner's dog. The female's class compete for 360 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 2: winner's bitch. You want to say it, I've said it 361 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 2: twice now. 362 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 1: I don't want to say it. I find it difficult 363 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 1: to say. Oh really, it's just the connotations are sure. 364 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:27,399 Speaker 2: You know I've never used that word in like anger 365 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 2: about someone. 366 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:32,640 Speaker 1: That's it's a it's a very rough it's a terrible word. Yeah, 367 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 1: And I don't. I don't. 368 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:35,160 Speaker 2: I don't think that makes me a good person or anything. 369 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:37,399 Speaker 2: But there's just a couple of things that like, I 370 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 2: wouldn't call my worst enemy, and that's one of them. 371 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 1: Gotcha, I don't have any enemies. 372 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 2: So what am I talking about? 373 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 1: So you've got the winner's dog and the Winner's bitch. Yep, 374 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 1: and uh, this is this is the point where they 375 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:55,359 Speaker 1: start winning awards, winning points points. I mean I'm sorry. 376 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 1: So this is all these different dogs have been weeded 377 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:02,160 Speaker 1: out by the different classes, and then there there you've 378 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 1: got the out of all these six classes of the male, 379 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:08,920 Speaker 1: male version and the female version, you have winners, right. 380 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:11,680 Speaker 1: And then there's so this is where the points start 381 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 1: being awarded. Then there's chances for more points in the 382 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 1: same show. Any champion can come along and take the 383 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:23,640 Speaker 1: winners on for best in Show or best in breed. 384 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:26,880 Speaker 2: Yes, and you can, and you compile extra points depending 385 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:29,159 Speaker 2: on how many dogs they beat out. So if you 386 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 2: beat out a bunch of more dogs, you can turn 387 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:32,160 Speaker 2: up to five points. 388 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 1: Right, five to the most. And remember a major win 389 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 1: is three, four or five points in a win. Yes, okay, 390 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 1: So you can win some by being the winner's dog 391 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 1: or the winner's bitch. You can the champions can take 392 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 1: those guys on in the best of breed yep. And 393 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:49,639 Speaker 1: then between those two the winners bitch and the winner 394 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 1: winn's dog, there's another walk off I guess, yeah, and 395 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 1: they can win points whoever be two? And then there's 396 00:19:58,240 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 1: the best of opposite sex. 397 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the best of winners, right, and then 398 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 2: the best of opposite sex, which it says the best 399 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:07,160 Speaker 2: dog of the opposite sex of the best of breed. 400 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 1: Yes, so whichever dog, whether it's the Winter's dog, the 401 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 1: winner's bitch, or any champion that took him on and won. Yeah, 402 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 1: the best of breed. Say that's a male that wins, right, 403 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: and there's another category for the winners that's females or 404 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:25,159 Speaker 1: vice versa, the opposite best of opposite. Basically, it's like, 405 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:27,239 Speaker 1: we got all these points sitting around, let's let's get 406 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 1: rid of some good point. Or or it's like, did 407 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 1: you ever go to camp and like run a race 408 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 1: but your rant terribly, but you still got a ribbon 409 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 1: that just said participant. Oh yeah, maybe it's like that. 410 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 2: That's like every race I ever ran that same here. 411 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:46,199 Speaker 1: Basically I had a trophy once that just it was 412 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:49,119 Speaker 1: a sad face really Yeah, there's a baseball bag just 413 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: kind of sitting at the foot of the kid with 414 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:53,120 Speaker 1: his head hung down frowning. 415 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. I played church sports, so we didn't. They didn't 416 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:58,880 Speaker 2: do a lot of trophies, even in church leagues. Like 417 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:01,879 Speaker 2: the ultimate victor of the churchley got a trophy, but 418 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 2: they weren't big on like ribbons and trophies. 419 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,680 Speaker 1: The ultimate victor of the Church League, I would imagine 420 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:07,360 Speaker 1: his salvation. 421 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:11,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, we all won. Okay, so then you've got your 422 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 2: best of Breed winner and then that dog can then 423 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 2: advance to a group show where all these best of 424 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:22,640 Speaker 2: Breed winners compete aka or AKC Westminster. 425 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: Right, So to make that point, when you are at 426 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:32,399 Speaker 1: a specialty show and you're aiming for Westminster, which I imagine 427 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:34,120 Speaker 1: every dog there is. Oh sure, you want to win 428 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 1: best of Breed. You can win points and become a 429 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 1: champion through winning other stuff like best of Opposite Sex, 430 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:42,879 Speaker 1: best of winners, winterers, dog winners, bitch right, Yes, but 431 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 1: to move on to the next level, you have to 432 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 1: win best of Breed of that show, and you have 433 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 1: to win a bunch. I imagine that's right. 434 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 2: And at this point, half of our listeners are delighted 435 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 2: in half their eyes are rolling back into their head. 436 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:58,360 Speaker 1: Man, we just explain the heck out of that. I agree. 437 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 1: So we're at. 438 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:02,680 Speaker 2: Best in Show. 439 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:06,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, the movie. That's such a good movie. If you've 440 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 1: not seen Best in Show, the Christopher Guest film, yeah, 441 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 1: just go out and see it right now. Yeah, just stop. 442 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 1: I think it's streaming right now. 443 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 2: I'm sure it is. 444 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:17,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really good. 445 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 2: It's hard to pick out a favorite part of that movie, 446 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,439 Speaker 2: but the scene that always pops up to me is 447 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:27,880 Speaker 2: when Parker Posey is trying to get a replacement was it. 448 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 1: A b. 449 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 2: Well, there's a little be stuffed animal. She can't find it, 450 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 2: and the guy's trying to help her. He's like, well, 451 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 2: this is yellow and black and it was like a 452 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 2: parrot or something. I can't remember at all, But she's 453 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:40,400 Speaker 2: just like my hero. 454 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's great, she's very good. All right. 455 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 2: So a little bit on the AKC. There are several 456 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 2: hundred dog breeds in the world, but the AKC only 457 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:55,920 Speaker 2: recognizes a little over one fifty, that's it. And they 458 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:57,920 Speaker 2: separate those into groups. 459 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:03,640 Speaker 1: And yeah, the AKC loves categorizing, breaking putting dogs into 460 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 1: categories and breaking them down and then putting them in 461 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 1: new categories. Yeah, and that's what they do here. 462 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:10,439 Speaker 2: And the poor dogs just like, what can I have 463 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:11,160 Speaker 2: a treat? 464 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:12,399 Speaker 1: Can I get a bacon strip? 465 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 2: Or what squirrel? Okay, Sporting dogs is one. Obviously, these 466 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 2: are dogs that are good for hunting, pointers, retrievers, setters, 467 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:21,639 Speaker 2: and spaniels. 468 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:23,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, those are good dogs, great. 469 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:26,880 Speaker 2: Dogs, hounds, beagles, bloodhounds, Docksn's I like. 470 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 1: Hounds except for the baying, the howling. 471 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 2: Or the howl. 472 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:31,400 Speaker 3: Oh my god. 473 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:33,879 Speaker 1: Yeah a beagle of you never heard like a beagle? 474 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,160 Speaker 2: No, never had a beagle or that much. 475 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 1: They are loud and insistent, really insistent. Super cute puppies though, 476 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 1: possibly the cutest puppies of any breed I think. Yeah, 477 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 1: those and uh, oh man, what's the one I'm thinking of? 478 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 1: The little puff balls. It's a it's an Asian dog. 479 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:55,359 Speaker 2: The little puff balls Maltese like is it a little dog? 480 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:57,679 Speaker 1: Yeah in the end, yeah, but like the puppies are 481 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:00,679 Speaker 1: little puff balls and they stay, they stay huffballs like 482 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,880 Speaker 1: oh Pomeranian. Yes, yeah, those are pretty cute puppy. Yeah. 483 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 2: They don't even look real. It looks like the squeeze them. 484 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:07,400 Speaker 2: It should make a little noise. 485 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,919 Speaker 1: Right they do, they do, Yeah, but you don't want 486 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:10,919 Speaker 1: to do that. Okay. 487 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 2: Working dogs, we're talking Great Danes, Rottweiler, Saint Bernard's dogs 488 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 2: who are hardy and they even you know, are used 489 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,119 Speaker 2: as working dogs like search and rescue stuff. 490 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 1: Like that, right, and then there's terriers that chase rats. 491 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 1: Did they maybe even fight cobra or two. Those are 492 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 1: little Schnauzers Scottish Terriers also known as Scotti's Yeah bull terriers, 493 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:41,440 Speaker 1: which you would recognize the Spuds Mackenzie. Yeah, man, those 494 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:42,440 Speaker 1: things are weird looking. 495 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 2: My buddy Clay has got a giant Schnauzer. 496 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:46,920 Speaker 1: They're big. 497 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 2: Well, this thing is like six months old and he's 498 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 2: already as big as my biggest dog. 499 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's like just wait all you see. 500 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 2: His name is Bro. He's like, what do you see? Bro? 501 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,160 Speaker 2: At the end of this he's going to be enormous. 502 00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 1: How big is he expected to get? Wait? 503 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 2: Wise, I don't know, but really big. He's awesome, very 504 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 2: very fun dog. Just like for a dog to be 505 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 2: that young and that big, they don't have control of 506 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,120 Speaker 2: their limbs yet. So Bro would just go running downstairs 507 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 2: and just like face plant and then get up and 508 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,160 Speaker 2: you know with the happiest expression behind his little eyes 509 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:17,640 Speaker 2: that you can see like that. There. 510 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 1: What else Toy dogs? 511 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, Chihuahua's, poodles, pugs, and how you pronounce it? I 512 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 2: always said, shits is it cheesuhesu chesu? Non sporting dogs. 513 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 2: I guess these are the intellects. This is a catch 514 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 2: all breed. When you don't have unifying characteristics, which is 515 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:37,160 Speaker 2: kind of sad. 516 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:40,160 Speaker 1: The one unifying characteristic is these dogs don't play. 517 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:45,160 Speaker 2: They don't play bulldogs, Dalmatians, and the American Eskimo dog, 518 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:45,919 Speaker 2: which I've never heard of. 519 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's basically like, we don't know what to do 520 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 1: with you, guys, so we're going to put you in 521 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:51,120 Speaker 1: the non sporting dog and. 522 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:56,399 Speaker 2: Then two more herding dogs like Australian shepherds and miscellaneous. 523 00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 1: So remember we said that the AKC likes to classify 524 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 1: people dogs. Yeah, and there's more breeds than it recognizes. 525 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,920 Speaker 1: This is a group that they you can't win points, 526 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 1: you can't win any major awards, I believe. But if 527 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 1: there's a breed that's starting to get more attention, there's 528 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:15,680 Speaker 1: more people breeding it. Yeah. It's like a part of 529 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:19,159 Speaker 1: the process of becoming recognized. You you start out in 530 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 1: the miscellaneous group. 531 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:23,400 Speaker 2: So that's pre recognition almost. 532 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:27,959 Speaker 1: Yeah. Jeez, hey man, these people are keeping track of 533 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:33,160 Speaker 1: like this dogs, cocksturedness. I mean, they're there. They pay 534 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 1: attention to. 535 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,480 Speaker 2: Details, all right, So the best of breeds in each 536 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,200 Speaker 2: of the group are gonna compete in the group show, 537 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,200 Speaker 2: and then if you win that group show, then you 538 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 2: compete in the ultimate I think we skip that part, 539 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 2: which is the All Breed Show, and that's the All 540 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 2: Star Game, the. 541 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,120 Speaker 1: Super Bowl, that's Westminster. 542 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:54,440 Speaker 2: The chess match, the Bobby Riggs versus Billy Jean King. 543 00:26:54,640 --> 00:27:00,200 Speaker 1: That's when a judge goes through each of these groups 544 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:01,639 Speaker 1: and picks out the best. 545 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 2: Yep right, seven groups because the eighth can't win, right, And. 546 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 1: They basically go through and say you're number one, you're 547 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 1: number two, you're number three, number four, and all of 548 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 1: a sudden that number one is the best in the show. 549 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 2: And the controversy erupts. 550 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 1: Twitter goes crazy. 551 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to pay attention this year. 552 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 1: It's yeah, it's fun to watch. Yeah, I've never watched 553 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 1: it where I was like tense, Oh sure, but you 554 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 1: know I've been like, oh that's great, or oh really, 555 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 1: that's that's nothing. 556 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 2: I'm sure you find yourself rooting for certain dogs though, Yeah. 557 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there's always a dog. There's always at least 558 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,440 Speaker 1: one if they where you're just like I like that dog. 559 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:45,920 Speaker 2: Yeah. All right, let's talk about the criticism of dog shows. 560 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, because there's definitely plenty. Yeah, there it's out there. 561 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 2: One of the problems that certain groups have is that 562 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 2: when you're talking pure bred dogs, you're talking about breeding. 563 00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:01,480 Speaker 2: And myself and many others are against dog breeding because 564 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,160 Speaker 2: there's plenty of dogs out there for the taking. 565 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, but they they're mutts. 566 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 2: So breeders basically breed these dogs to acquire these or 567 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 2: to at least hold onto these attributes. Yeah, and that 568 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:21,119 Speaker 2: means inbreeding sometimes, and that means shorter life spans and 569 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,200 Speaker 2: disease and defects, birth defects. 570 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, like tell Masons tend to suffer from blindness and 571 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 1: German shepherd suffer from hip dysplasia. Yeah, and these these 572 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,479 Speaker 1: traits have become associated with the breed, these standards of 573 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 1: the breed that the AKC maintains. Yeah, and it's kind 574 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,719 Speaker 1: of like, well, yeah, but if you want to have 575 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 1: a dog that meets all these other criteria, it's also 576 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 1: going to get dysplasia when it's six. Yeah. It's just 577 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 1: part of inbreeding. It's narrowing of the gene pool. 578 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 2: And I've definitely noticed, and this isn't one hundred percent, 579 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 2: of course, but all the dogs and people I've known 580 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 2: who had dogs throughout the years, I've noticed more purebred 581 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 2: dogs dying younger. Yeah than the mutts. 582 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 1: Well, supposedly they have a weaker immune system. Like remember 583 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 1: I don't remember what episode it was, but we were 584 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 1: talking about that experiment that people scent people use sense 585 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 1: to detect an immune system different from yours, because when 586 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 1: you put together your immune system and somebody else's immune 587 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,960 Speaker 1: system to reproduction, the kids should have a doubly great 588 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 1: immune system. 589 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 2: Man, that was a long one fame ago. 590 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 1: Remember that, Yeah, it was I don't remember what episode 591 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 1: it was, the smell maybe maybe so. 592 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, So remember a few minutes ago we were talking 593 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 2: about the miscellaneous category can eventually earn you status as 594 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 2: an officially recognized breed. The American Border Collie Association, the 595 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 2: ABCA really didn't want their dog to become recognized by 596 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 2: the AKAC because they thought that meant well, once it's 597 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,520 Speaker 2: an official breed, then that means breeding will become more 598 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 2: intense and these dogs, you know, will suffer from all 599 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:19,960 Speaker 2: these things that we just told you about. 600 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, they specifically petition with the AKCS and don't recognize, 601 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 1: don't recognize us in the AKC said we're going to recognize. 602 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 2: I don't think it was maliciously, but They're like, this 603 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 2: is what we do, and we're going to recognize this 604 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:32,720 Speaker 2: dog as a breed. 605 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 1: No, they were like, had you not asked, we wouldn't know, 606 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,959 Speaker 1: but you did so sorry. Uh. 607 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 2: And Peta is also filed an official objection against tail docking, 608 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,600 Speaker 2: which is when they amputate you know, the tails. 609 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 1: So you had the little nub, Yeah, it's not as 610 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 1: tails ears. 611 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, cropping shit. 612 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. There's a lot of breeds that have these unnatural 613 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:58,720 Speaker 1: attributes that you have to perform surgery on to get. Yeah, 614 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 1: which is counterintuitive because you're talking about the idealized version 615 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 1: of a breed. Yeah, why would you have to take 616 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 1: some sort of technological step to yeah, to reach that 617 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 1: ideal version. Like if it doesn't happen naturally, it seems 618 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 1: really awful. 619 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 2: Yeah it does to me too, But I mean I 620 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:15,640 Speaker 2: don't even declaw my cats. 621 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 1: So yeah, it's the way to go, That's the way 622 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 1: I But I've. 623 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 2: Got crap all over my house. 624 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 1: It's cat scratched. But yeah. But the same time, you 625 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 1: know Holly Fry of pop Stuff, uh uh, she was 626 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:31,920 Speaker 1: talking about how she lets her cats play on their iPad. 627 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 1: Oh really, And I was like, you must have a 628 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,960 Speaker 1: serious scratch card because there's like cat playing apps on iPad. 629 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 1: Oh wow, And she's like, well, I don't think we 630 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 1: have a scratch card. 631 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 2: Well, when cats play around like that though usually don't 632 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 2: have the claws out. They're usually just pawing around, you 633 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,000 Speaker 2: would hope. But yeah, I wouldn't put one on my iPad. 634 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:53,479 Speaker 2: No way. I put on the little sticky things they have, 635 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 2: like clear tapets that you put on your couch arm. Yeah, 636 00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 2: and those are unsightly in collected hair and dust and 637 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 2: just one of the things. If you're an animal owner 638 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 2: with five animals in your house, it's hard to not 639 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:06,760 Speaker 2: live with some hair. 640 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:10,240 Speaker 1: Do you have a rumba? Nah? You should probably get 641 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 1: a rumba. It might change your life. Yeah. 642 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,240 Speaker 2: I'm in love with my vacuum cleaner, so I feel 643 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 2: like that would be cheating on LuxI. 644 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:25,360 Speaker 1: Nice. Yeah, Okay, that's it. There's so what else was there? Oh? 645 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 1: Joanan Goldberg had some words about breeding, especially with the AKC. 646 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 1: He compares it to eugenics. Yeah, in fact, he thought 647 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 1: it spurred the eugenics movement. Yeah, and we're like, oh wow, 648 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 1: we have this really great dog and we should do 649 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,200 Speaker 1: this with humans. I'm tired of people with epilepsy. Let's 650 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,960 Speaker 1: just get rid of them. And of course you can 651 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:52,800 Speaker 1: go back and read or listen to is it legal 652 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 1: to sterilize addicts? Yeah, that was episode basically was all 653 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 1: about eugenics. 654 00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 2: That's true, he also contends, and not really content. It's 655 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,880 Speaker 2: pretty obvious that it's a beauty pageant. They're focusing on 656 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 2: these physical attributes and only the aesthetic matters in his opinion, 657 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 2: and that's not something he says. You know what, if 658 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 2: you want to judge a hunting dog, take it out hunting, right, 659 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 2: and see how it does there. Because these jogs, these jogs, 660 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,960 Speaker 2: these dogs have jobs. You know, most dogs do have 661 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 2: a job of some sort, right, and let's see how 662 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:24,719 Speaker 2: they do in their job. 663 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, like that's how you would truly appreciate a breed, 664 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 1: not just its looks. And you mentioned UK's crufts. Yea, 665 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:39,000 Speaker 1: the England England's Kennel Club runs crufts and they do 666 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,240 Speaker 1: have lots of agility and stuff like that. Apparently they're 667 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 1: criticized for going too far the other way, right that 668 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 1: they need to bring back more confirmation conformation, right, But yeah, 669 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,160 Speaker 1: if you if you go to England and you're into dogs, 670 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,720 Speaker 1: you're going to be very surprised because they're they're big 671 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 1: show doesn't look anything like ours. 672 00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, those are the well we'll get in to agility trials. 673 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 2: But is that what they have in there where you're 674 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:06,040 Speaker 2: running between the you're bobbing and weaving and going through 675 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:06,720 Speaker 2: the tunnels and. 676 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:10,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, obedience stuff too. Yeah, and the AKC has these things, 677 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,800 Speaker 1: it's just not part of the big one, the Westminster show. 678 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:14,319 Speaker 2: Right. 679 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:19,279 Speaker 1: But Chuck, you would also probably appreciate England's Kennel Club 680 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 1: maybe more than the AKC because they have something called scruffs. Yeah. 681 00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:23,759 Speaker 2: I want to see this televised. 682 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:30,360 Speaker 1: It's basically the Cruffs for crossbreed dogs, non purebred dogs, 683 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,040 Speaker 1: and it's just adorable that they have this and they 684 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,240 Speaker 1: welcome anything pretty much. Yeah. 685 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,280 Speaker 2: I mean, obviously you have to have your dog trained. 686 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,359 Speaker 2: You can't just walk up up the street. But as 687 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,000 Speaker 2: far as breeds go, you can enter your dog. The 688 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:45,520 Speaker 2: criteria are pretty wide open, and they just look for 689 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:50,840 Speaker 2: good temperament, good health, and good character, which I like. 690 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:51,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. 691 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:56,720 Speaker 2: So we talked about agility trials. These are sometimes separate 692 00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,640 Speaker 2: competitions all together, right, and then, like you said in 693 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:03,239 Speaker 2: England incorporated into the Best in Show and that's where 694 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,840 Speaker 2: they're basically doing like a little obstacle course. 695 00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:09,959 Speaker 1: Which is adorable off leash. I mean, did you see 696 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,720 Speaker 1: this picture. That's the cutest picture ever in this article 697 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,960 Speaker 1: how dog shows work. Yeah, it's just a little terrier 698 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,360 Speaker 1: jumping over like a little post and he's got this 699 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,759 Speaker 1: look on his face like I'm gonna do it. He 700 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:23,759 Speaker 1: is gonna do it. He's got his tail up. Man, 701 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:24,680 Speaker 1: that's a cute picture. 702 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 2: And then obedience trials are basically taking commands from the handler, 703 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,080 Speaker 2: like you know, you got to be listening. Some of 704 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 2: the commands are just vocal. Some of them you can't 705 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,960 Speaker 2: speak at all, and you're just using hand gestures and 706 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:41,800 Speaker 2: they're just seeing how well trained your dog. 707 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:47,200 Speaker 1: Is, right, Yeah, that the dog can become the champion, 708 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,920 Speaker 1: which is the national obedience Champion, which has got to 709 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:52,920 Speaker 1: be kind of a dubious honor among dogs, like you're 710 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,640 Speaker 1: the most obedient dog in all the land. Yeah. It's 711 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,319 Speaker 1: kind of like Kurt Russell when he was like the 712 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,880 Speaker 1: star of Disney movies. It's like, hey, movie star, but 713 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:05,200 Speaker 1: you're also like this, you know, clean cut team. These 714 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,240 Speaker 1: are great. I remember those but even he distanced himself 715 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,640 Speaker 1: later He's like, no, I'm badter than this, I'm snake 716 00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:11,680 Speaker 1: Pliskin exactly. 717 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:15,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I forgot about those early movies. Those were awesome. 718 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:16,719 Speaker 2: I was a big fan of those. 719 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,080 Speaker 1: What was it The Kid with two White Shoes or 720 00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,319 Speaker 1: something like that. They were really like vanilla. Yeah, they 721 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:24,080 Speaker 1: were pretty vanilla. 722 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:29,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. So over the years, we have a few little stats. 723 00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 2: The breed that has won the most the fox terrier 724 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:33,280 Speaker 2: thirteen times. 725 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:34,879 Speaker 1: Not bad. Yeah. 726 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:41,920 Speaker 2: The dog that has won the most was Champion Warren Remedy. 727 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,640 Speaker 2: It was a fox terrier who won three times in 728 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:49,160 Speaker 2: a row in the early nineteen hundreds, So that's pretty good. 729 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:53,319 Speaker 1: Yeah. My favorite is the oldest dog to win, the 730 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,720 Speaker 1: eight year old Papion. Oh yeah, who won in nineteen 731 00:36:55,800 --> 00:37:00,520 Speaker 1: ninety nine. Champion low Ticky Supernatural. 732 00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:06,280 Speaker 2: And the youngest ever was a rough Collie named Longed 733 00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:11,399 Speaker 2: Loyalty of bell Haven and one on its ninth nine 734 00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,160 Speaker 2: month birthday and nine months old. It's pretty young. 735 00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:16,280 Speaker 1: Makes Bro look like an idiot. 736 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,120 Speaker 2: Bro is an idiot. He's lovable though. 737 00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:21,520 Speaker 1: I guess that's about it, right. 738 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna watch this year. I'm gonna it's appointment 739 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:25,000 Speaker 2: TV for for me. 740 00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:28,000 Speaker 1: Now good, that is good. I think you'll like it. 741 00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:29,839 Speaker 1: And then you go on to Twitter and register your 742 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:31,560 Speaker 1: anger or your happiness at the winter. 743 00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:33,240 Speaker 2: I will do so maybe I'll live tweet. 744 00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:35,759 Speaker 1: Your thumbs are gonna hurt. 745 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:37,560 Speaker 2: I gotta get her Twitter log in. I don't even 746 00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:40,480 Speaker 2: know it. Well, you're the Twitter master. I just leave 747 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:40,879 Speaker 2: that to you. 748 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,680 Speaker 1: I will, I will, I'll email it team. 749 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:44,080 Speaker 2: Okay. 750 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:47,120 Speaker 1: And by the way, our Twitter handle is sysk podcast. 751 00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:51,680 Speaker 1: Yeah I need that part. Okay. So, Chuck, if anybody 752 00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,319 Speaker 1: wants to learn more about best in Show and dog 753 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,480 Speaker 1: shows and to see this adorable picture of this terrier 754 00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,839 Speaker 1: jumping in midair, man, thank you picture. You can type 755 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,480 Speaker 1: in dog shows in the search bar at houstuffworks dot com. 756 00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,080 Speaker 1: And since I said search bar in there, I imagine 757 00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:10,160 Speaker 1: it's time for listener mail. But first, Chuck, I feel 758 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,760 Speaker 1: like we should wish everybody a happy new year. Yeah. 759 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:14,560 Speaker 2: I hope you had a great twenty twelve. 760 00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,200 Speaker 1: And if it wasn't great, here's the better days. I had, 761 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,920 Speaker 1: very nice, very nice, Chuck, and I want to wish 762 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,000 Speaker 1: a very very happy birthday to my sweet and wonderful wife. 763 00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:27,680 Speaker 1: You me. Happy birthday, baby, Happy birthday. It's very sweet, okay, 764 00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:34,000 Speaker 1: listener mail, huh yes, okay. 765 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,360 Speaker 2: All right, Josh, I'm gonna call this crying during music 766 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:40,040 Speaker 2: And this is from Angela in Columbus, Ohio. I should 767 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,720 Speaker 2: take up buck, guys. It's my family, My family. 768 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:52,680 Speaker 1: Take go blue. Who's blue Michigan? Oh? Tough words, all right, guys. 769 00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,440 Speaker 2: Listening Chuck talk about his experience at Carnegie Hall made 770 00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:57,879 Speaker 2: me want to share this story. I heard a story 771 00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,680 Speaker 2: one day about a new musical based on a book, Wicked. 772 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,239 Speaker 2: And I know we all know this musical now about 773 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:04,000 Speaker 2: the Wizard of Oz. 774 00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:04,279 Speaker 1: Yeah. 775 00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, I had a soundtrack for about a year before 776 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:09,799 Speaker 2: I saw it, and I found out there was a 777 00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:13,800 Speaker 2: Broadway Across America tour coming to Columbus, Ohio. My husband 778 00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:15,560 Speaker 2: and I bought tickets, went with a group of friends. 779 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:17,880 Speaker 2: I've been listening to the soundtrack for about a year. 780 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,080 Speaker 2: As I said, so, I was really excited. So I'm 781 00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,279 Speaker 2: watching the show, really enjoying it, getting swept up in 782 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,959 Speaker 2: the stage production and the acting. The music was better 783 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:27,880 Speaker 2: than I even thought it could be. And when they 784 00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:32,120 Speaker 2: hit the main song Defying Gravity sung by Edina Menzel 785 00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,960 Speaker 2: on the soundtrack, that's when it happened. I had a 786 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,560 Speaker 2: chuck moment and broke down, sobbing like a little baby. 787 00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,080 Speaker 2: I don't know if I call that a chuck mummut. 788 00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:44,319 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sensitive, but that's pretty hilarious, all right, 789 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:48,359 Speaker 2: I'm weepy. The song itself is incredibly moving overall. There's 790 00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:49,839 Speaker 2: a point in the middle where there's a break from 791 00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,160 Speaker 2: the action, and before she hits the third verse, she 792 00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,680 Speaker 2: says a few lines, turns the last line into this 793 00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:58,359 Speaker 2: incredibly cathartic note, and takes off in flight. Sitting here, 794 00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,279 Speaker 2: remember it, I'm actually choking up, and that's where I 795 00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,560 Speaker 2: could no longer control myself all through the third verse, 796 00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:07,920 Speaker 2: sobbing uncontrollably loud, gasping sobs. Both my husband and my 797 00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,080 Speaker 2: brother in law offered me comfort, but I could not 798 00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:12,080 Speaker 2: control myself. I cried through the end of the song 799 00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:14,920 Speaker 2: and the house lights were coming up for an intermission. 800 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,359 Speaker 2: My husband gave me a hug, not really knowing why 801 00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,600 Speaker 2: I was so moved, and I still can't say why. 802 00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,279 Speaker 2: I was a mess and incredibly embarrassed, but it was 803 00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,239 Speaker 2: a beautiful moment for this touching character who speaks to 804 00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:30,120 Speaker 2: me ps and this from Angela and Columbus ps. 805 00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,120 Speaker 1: I feel a sense of strength and catharsis. 806 00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:36,320 Speaker 2: Also currently while listening to Shake It Out by Florence 807 00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:36,960 Speaker 2: in the Machine. 808 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:41,719 Speaker 1: Huh, well that was a specific email. Yeah, thanks for 809 00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:45,200 Speaker 1: sharing your story. Was that person's name, Angela? Thanks a lot, Angela. 810 00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:49,279 Speaker 1: We appreciate that. That's pretty cool. So what do you 811 00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:49,799 Speaker 1: want to say? 812 00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,320 Speaker 2: I don't know dog show stories. 813 00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:59,120 Speaker 1: What do you think now? Yeah? Sure, dog show stories 814 00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,640 Speaker 1: it is. 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