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Speaker 1: for maximum glamour. There was one hair stylist that we

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Speaker 1: And you can see what a beautiful job you did

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Speaker 1: proud to be on Chris Appleton's Instagram. It is so

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Speaker 1: these And when I say full around, I really mean

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Speaker 1: And he has just come out with a book. Your

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Speaker 1: Roots Don't Define You is the title, and it just

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Speaker 1: And the publisher is it's Harper Collins, Harper Collins.

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Speaker 2: We just had a private conversation where I was saying

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Speaker 2: I was so inundated with people commented and how amazing

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Speaker 2: everyone was just saying, how you just look phenomenal, And

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Speaker 2: I said, well, yeah, you know, she's great, you know,

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Speaker 2: And I was trying to guess you wayge I thought

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Speaker 1: Because you are you taken aback?

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Speaker 2: Oh, because I'll tell you for this, not only do

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Speaker 2: you look fabulous, obviously look great, and that's something that's

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Speaker 2: it's very infectious. You know, you're fun, You're on it.

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Speaker 2: I remember I was talking to about different things and

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Speaker 1: And I'm curious. I'm curious, and I am very curious

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Speaker 1: there is Chris Appleton. When we're going out to La.

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Speaker 1: It's Chris Appleton has to do your hair if we

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Speaker 1: can get them, and it's so extraordinary. And I really

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Speaker 1: first met you when Kim Kardashian and Chris were launching

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Speaker 1: They were doing their hair and you came over and

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Speaker 1: But really, and truly you have. You have helped transform

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Speaker 1: so many people and changing their entire appearance. You were

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Speaker 2: It's been it's been quite a journey. And it started young.

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Speaker 2: I was only nine years old when I used to

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Speaker 2: Midlands in the UK. It was a place called Leicester,

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Speaker 2: My mom and dad come from very humble beginnings. They

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Speaker 1: That's the nice part. You want to make people better

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Speaker 1: Your viral social posts are extraordinary. People just flocked you.

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Speaker 2: You know why I decided to do this book, though,

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Speaker 1: You get really into hair here, yeah, we do. I

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Speaker 1: tried to read that chapter on banks. I want some illustrations.

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Speaker 1: Fringe bangs, straight bank bangs, microbangs made up? Those names?

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Speaker 1: No, I'm very casual about my hair. I do like

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Speaker 2: I'm sure you felt very different walking out with that.

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Speaker 2: But so many people get stuck. They get stuck and

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Speaker 2: I guess our whole lives we carry these stories. And

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Speaker 2: can't you change? Why can't you, you know, cut your

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Speaker 1: I just think that your book, which is about the

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Speaker 1: power I guess, of transformation, your own transformation personally and

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Speaker 1: the transformation of your of all your customers, you call

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Speaker 2: Friends, friends, and by this point you know, yeah.

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Speaker 1: That's what they really are to you.

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Speaker 1: And then Chris, after he does somebody, he takes a

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Speaker 2: I moved. I moved to America for my career, and

433
00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:40,400
Speaker 2: I guess I'm just on the go styleist.

434
00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:41,520
Speaker 1: You know, So do you live out of the suitcase?

435
00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:45,760
Speaker 2: I mean there's always four suitcases that follow us around full.

436
00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:48,959
Speaker 1: Of all the little all the tricks.

437
00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:50,800
Speaker 2: Magic you need at any given time because you never

438
00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:52,600
Speaker 2: really know what you're going to do. You know, sometimes

439
00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,040
Speaker 2: you have an idea, but last minute, before you know

440
00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:57,199
Speaker 2: they get dressed, the dress rips or something. You have

441
00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:59,160
Speaker 2: to change your So I think also now there's such

442
00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:01,359
Speaker 2: an expectation on a look. So if you go to

443
00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:03,879
Speaker 2: a red carpet like the met Ball, people expect to

444
00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:05,960
Speaker 2: see something. They want to be wowed. You know, we're

445
00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:08,240
Speaker 2: and then people now also want to know how you

446
00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:09,840
Speaker 2: do it. You know then when I watch out how

447
00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:11,880
Speaker 2: you do it. So I guess that's why social media

448
00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:13,800
Speaker 2: has become such a big part of my job.

449
00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:15,119
Speaker 1: What kind of jog do you have?

450
00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:15,719
Speaker 2: Have a husky?

451
00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:16,200
Speaker 1: Oh?

452
00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:18,120
Speaker 2: Nice? Yeah, he's great. We're going to have a dog.

453
00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:19,280
Speaker 1: Where is it when you travel?

454
00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:21,400
Speaker 2: Well? I actually took him with me to the UK.

455
00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:23,720
Speaker 2: I just brought a house in the UK and I

456
00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:25,639
Speaker 2: took him back where in the cotsworld.

457
00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:27,520
Speaker 1: Oh, everybody's going to the cards walls.

458
00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:29,879
Speaker 2: I know. But this is kind of my made it

459
00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,520
Speaker 2: story because I couldn't go back to the UK for

460
00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:35,760
Speaker 2: a long time because I think I made my sort

461
00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:38,560
Speaker 2: of career happening in la and in America. So going

462
00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:40,119
Speaker 2: back to the UK, I was very afraid to go

463
00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:42,080
Speaker 2: back to that kind of version of myself, which I

464
00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:44,560
Speaker 2: felt was you know, I guess I left I abandoned

465
00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:46,680
Speaker 2: because I felt ashamed. I felt fearful to go back

466
00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:48,880
Speaker 2: to that. So to be able to come back now

467
00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:50,960
Speaker 2: and kind of done the work and you know, get

468
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Speaker 2: to a great place. I think to have a house

469
00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:56,080
Speaker 2: there has been a really special mode at a farm

470
00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:59,760
Speaker 2: or just I do have there's some goats. I actually

471
00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:01,840
Speaker 2: put mom in there. My goal was always to sort

472
00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:04,439
Speaker 2: of give my mom and dad about better life. And

473
00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:05,920
Speaker 2: so I put my mom and nan. You know, she's

474
00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:07,040
Speaker 2: kind of looking at the house and I said, I've

475
00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:08,800
Speaker 2: got you some goats, mom, And she said, oh, I

476
00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:10,600
Speaker 2: don't want any goats. Thank you. I said, I got you.

477
00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:12,119
Speaker 2: She said, want a dog. I says, Mommy, you can

478
00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:16,440
Speaker 2: get what you're given. Now she's got these two coats

479
00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:22,240
Speaker 2: of goats, like the pig Pigmy goes, yeah, she's trying

480
00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:24,000
Speaker 2: to kind of you know, apparently you can call the

481
00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:26,680
Speaker 2: name and you can take them. She's having a blast

482
00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:27,720
Speaker 2: with them. I'll give me something to do.

483
00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,200
Speaker 1: Oh so you love your house, love it?

484
00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:32,040
Speaker 2: And I love more than anything that I got to

485
00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:35,520
Speaker 2: rewrite my story of like, you know, i'd not been

486
00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:38,080
Speaker 2: defined again from what I come from, because we did.

487
00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:39,760
Speaker 2: We were really poor place.

488
00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:43,520
Speaker 1: You're not near the consoles, a very different life the

489
00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:46,120
Speaker 1: consoles where everybody's moving if they can afford to buy

490
00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:47,520
Speaker 1: a place to the consoles.

491
00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:49,200
Speaker 2: It's kind of like I think the holiday you know

492
00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:52,080
Speaker 2: where Cameronds is that kind of just very pictures spot,

493
00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:53,919
Speaker 2: so gorgeous.

494
00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,840
Speaker 1: With the walks and the stone walls and the fields,

495
00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:58,320
Speaker 1: and I just.

496
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Speaker 2: Wanted to return to a part of that is me,

497
00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:01,119
Speaker 2: you know, And I think for a long time I

498
00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:03,800
Speaker 2: tried to pretend the past didn't happen and delete it,

499
00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:07,240
Speaker 2: and that's not really healing, that's not really kind of growing.

500
00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:09,639
Speaker 2: I think for me, it's understanding that all those parts

501
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:11,280
Speaker 2: of me and that got me to where I'm at today,

502
00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,119
Speaker 2: and I'm proud of that for the first time probably

503
00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:13,639
Speaker 2: in my life.

504
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:17,480
Speaker 1: You talk about feelings of being stuck in a situation, Yeah,

505
00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:19,840
Speaker 1: when have you felt that way? And what did you

506
00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:21,720
Speaker 1: do to become unstuck?

507
00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:26,160
Speaker 2: I think probably the time I become unstuck is really

508
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:29,200
Speaker 2: I made a career out of people looking in the

509
00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,000
Speaker 2: mirror and really seeing themselves. Like I said, I did

510
00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:32,520
Speaker 2: it to my mom when I was a kid. I

511
00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:36,160
Speaker 2: loved it. But I think because I did hair at school,

512
00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:39,520
Speaker 2: guys would always the people will say I'm gay. And

513
00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,359
Speaker 2: that's kind of before I even got time to discover

514
00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:44,000
Speaker 2: who I was or where I was at. And I

515
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:45,359
Speaker 2: very quickly thought, well, I don't want to be that.

516
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:46,480
Speaker 1: So you didn't know you were gay?

517
00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,119
Speaker 2: No, because it very quickly got pushed on me. There

518
00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:51,840
Speaker 2: was a terrible thing, you know, and men die of HIV,

519
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,000
Speaker 2: and it just was this. It seemed just a terrible

520
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:56,400
Speaker 2: thing that I didn't want to be. I also didn't

521
00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:58,240
Speaker 2: really see many examples of gay men around me that

522
00:22:58,240 --> 00:22:59,520
Speaker 2: I felt like I could relate to. I don't know,

523
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,040
Speaker 2: I just thought I'm not that got so headstrong on

524
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,800
Speaker 2: just being normal, doing the right thing. I didn't look

525
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:06,960
Speaker 2: left or right. I think like the first time I

526
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:08,720
Speaker 2: saw myself was like probably a when I was twenty

527
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 2: six and I came out, and that was the one

528
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,200
Speaker 2: time I kind of looked. And once you see yourself

529
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,200
Speaker 2: and you truly see you're not aligned with the life

530
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:17,320
Speaker 2: you're living in. How you feel when something early?

531
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:17,960
Speaker 1: How old were you?

532
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:20,439
Speaker 2: We never got married. I was with Kate for nine years.

533
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:22,119
Speaker 2: She's a mother with my kids. We were still best

534
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:23,640
Speaker 2: friends now, we still speak every day. We just spent

535
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,000
Speaker 2: Christmas together with the kids, and we're really close and

536
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 2: that's like an unconditional kind of love, you know. We've

537
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,879
Speaker 2: always had that bond and the most important thing to

538
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:32,840
Speaker 2: us was the kids that they had.

539
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:33,920
Speaker 1: How old are the kids now?

540
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,680
Speaker 2: Oh god, my kids are twenty one and twenty three.

541
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 2: Kitty Blue she's my daughter, my son Billy he's twenty

542
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:44,879
Speaker 2: three and they are live in La Now. Yeah, you know,

543
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:47,119
Speaker 2: it wasn't pressure, but I said, come and see what

544
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,440
Speaker 2: you think. And I think sometimes the best thing you

545
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 2: can do as a kid is leave the town you

546
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:52,399
Speaker 2: were brought up in just to see what's out there

547
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:53,120
Speaker 2: in the world and.

548
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:57,240
Speaker 1: Live very good to explore and very good to move around. Yeah, yeah,

549
00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 1: I think you're doing the right thing for them, totally.

550
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean that's my out. It's achievement.

551
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:13,240
Speaker 1: So back to hair. Yes, since you were one of

552
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 1: the most sought after hair professionals in the world, we

553
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 1: need to ask you a few questions. Okay about hair care.

554
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 1: How often should women wash their hair?

555
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,160
Speaker 2: This is always such a big debate. There's not one

556
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 2: rule because everyone's hair is different. Some people have fine,

557
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:29,919
Speaker 2: flat hairs, they need to wash it more often. Some

558
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 2: people have very oily hair so it gets greasy so

559
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:33,399
Speaker 2: they need to wash it. But some people will have

560
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,159
Speaker 2: curly textured hair and it may be dry and it

561
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 2: doesn't get oily very often. So I mean, I think

562
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 2: the rule is more find out your hair type and

563
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:42,200
Speaker 2: your hair texture and what suits it. But I mean

564
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:44,679
Speaker 2: I would say every two days maybe, you know, but

565
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:46,840
Speaker 2: then if you've got like texture that doesn't get oily.

566
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 2: Maybe once a week. I think everyone's different. It's personalized.

567
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,159
Speaker 2: But there's also things you can do in between to

568
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,159
Speaker 2: refresh it now, like dry shampoos and.

569
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 1: Never use that. I'm afraid of dry really Yeah.

570
00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 2: Well, color I work with have a great new one.

571
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 2: It actually shampoo grade technology, so there's no like white

572
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,439
Speaker 2: mask or dry chalky feel. And it actually it's like

573
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,479
Speaker 2: a shampoo grade clean so you spray on in. It

574
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 2: actually shampoos the hair whilst it's saying and takes the

575
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,640
Speaker 2: oil away rather than masks it. So technology has become

576
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:14,160
Speaker 2: so advanced.

577
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 1: Now you should wash it as much as you think

578
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 1: you have to wash it, yeah, as you need it.

579
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:19,879
Speaker 1: And blow drying the same thing. I mean, can you

580
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 1: blow dry your hair every day?

581
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 2: I mean yeah, if you deed tail me, just use

582
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:24,639
Speaker 2: heat protection. Yeah, but you know most of us do.

583
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:25,640
Speaker 2: How often do you watch your hair?

584
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 1: Well? This week? I go to the hairdresser three times

585
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:32,159
Speaker 1: day Wednesday Friday because I have events and appearances and

586
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:33,880
Speaker 1: stuff that I have to you know, look nice.

587
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 2: Can you blow it out yourself? Oh?

588
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't like you.

589
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,199
Speaker 2: No, why should you with this? I don't want you.

590
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 2: I wouldn't And if I was marfased you, I wouldn't

591
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 2: bow dramma.

592
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,119
Speaker 1: And I love having my head massage in the sink,

593
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 1: so sort of a luxury to go down. We have

594
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 1: two very nice salons in my little town, right, I

595
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,640
Speaker 1: live like in the Cotswolds of New York. I live

596
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 1: in Bedford. Gorgeous and Bedford is a little tiny town

597
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 1: and we have one little street that has two salons

598
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:02,879
Speaker 1: on it, and I alternate, you know, yeah, reckon for

599
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,880
Speaker 1: whoever's available. But I also have to do it real

600
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:07,879
Speaker 1: early in the morning, like seven thirty, so they have

601
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:08,679
Speaker 1: to come in early.

602
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:09,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

603
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,119
Speaker 1: Is it different for men or men wash their hair

604
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:11,879
Speaker 1: much more often?

605
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 2: I think a lot of guys probably just wash their

606
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,439
Speaker 2: every morning when the shower, especially when it's short, you know,

607
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 2: or forget to shampoo the hair and just kind of,

608
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 2: you know, put water on it. But it's important to

609
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 2: shampoo you hair because you need to remove the build

610
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 2: up and the oils because you know, after a while

611
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 2: that can can jeal and that causes hell.

612
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 1: You use heat protection before you blow dry people's hair.

613
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:32,400
Speaker 2: Absolutely, always, like what I use color oil, dream coat,

614
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 2: I mean, all the products have heat protection. In any

615
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 2: decent products should have heat protection just built in. Now

616
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 2: that's just kind of given. Now it's not a special

617
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:40,360
Speaker 2: thing anymore.

618
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,440
Speaker 1: And coloring your hair, yea. I mean I remember when

619
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,879
Speaker 1: I was in high school, I was modeling and I

620
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 1: must have been fifteen, and I was doing a clear

621
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:54,920
Speaker 1: role commercial. Wow yeah wow, And Richard Avedon was shooting.

622
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 1: Of course I can't and I uh, And then they said,

623
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:04,120
Speaker 1: are going to make you a a gorgeous grayish blonde.

624
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,399
Speaker 1: It's like black but beautiful. It stripped my hair, they

625
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:08,399
Speaker 1: to strip it.

626
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, stripped people's hair. I mean bleach. They say, bleach

627
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,360
Speaker 2: and grow, don't go. I mean, I think there's something

628
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 2: to be said. I mean, obviously bleach. It's got so

629
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 2: much better than that. I mean, I work with Schwartz Coough,

630
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 2: So I use a product called Blonde Me nine plus

631
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 2: and it's great because it enables you to get maximum

632
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 2: results and really push the hair without pushing the integrity,

633
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 2: which is really important.

634
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:33,679
Speaker 1: Because there's nothing right here. I paid for it for

635
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:34,440
Speaker 1: like years.

636
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:35,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you really stuff that?

637
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's stripping it. Then your roots come in darker. Oh,

638
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 1: it's horrible.

639
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 2: You're never going to look good.

640
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 1: And I was just a young girl at the time,

641
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:47,919
Speaker 1: so I was like baffled. Yeah, but look in the picture.

642
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,160
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, apparently blonde really good.

643
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 1: So what about protecting your hair from the sun.

644
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 2: I think there is many ways. I mean, hairstyling obviously

645
00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 2: is a big thing, like being able to put it

646
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 2: back and put how and it's obviously great. But there's

647
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 2: also sudden screen for hair now, so there's different products

648
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,399
Speaker 2: that do offer sudden screen for hair. But son is

649
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 2: a real terror for bleaching the hair out, you know,

650
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:11,160
Speaker 2: really stripping the color out.

651
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:15,919
Speaker 1: Put lemon juice in our hair. We wanted streaks, you know,

652
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 1: we wanted to do that. We went to the beach

653
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 1: and no, I don't want that.

654
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 2: It was like a spray. And people used to go

655
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 2: out in the sun and if you were blonde, it

656
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 2: kind of brightened it. But if you were dark, people

657
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 2: in your hair would ginger, you know, around terrible.

658
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 1: For how does hair care change as you age?

659
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,679
Speaker 2: Oh, I think my skin care, you know, I always

660
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 2: think of as this is a good representation. But if

661
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 2: you think about a rose, like a rose grows and

662
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 2: then it's got this really beautiful, juicy blood when we're

663
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 2: bud when we're in our teens, and then the twenties

664
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 2: is that gorgeous fresh rose. But then as we age,

665
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 2: it kind of spreads and it wilts a little bit,

666
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 2: get a few brown bits and bits drop off, and

667
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 2: you know, that's kind of what happens with the skin,

668
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 2: happens with the hair. We lose some of the density,

669
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 2: we lose, the thickness we lose. You know, great hair

670
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 2: tends to be coarser and drier, So I think going

671
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,959
Speaker 2: towards more hydrating, more strengthening, but also sometimes thickening products.

672
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 1: Conditioning is really important.

673
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, and well I tend to use that more

674
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 2: of a product in a shampoo and conditioner. I honestly

675
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 2: tend to recommend people staying more towards shampoos that don't

676
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 2: contain lots and lots of ingredients because people use these

677
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 2: things like OH volumizing, OH antiphraz but it has all

678
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 2: these ingredients that sit behind on the scalp and that

679
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 2: can cause hair loss. So a lot of people notice

680
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 2: their hairs thinning, and it's because they're putting their shampooing

681
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 2: all of these ingredients into their scalp and they sit

682
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 2: there so it's better to get your volume and your smoothness,

683
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 2: et cetera from starting products.

684
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 1: Do we need to be doing hair masks? Oh?

685
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 2: I love a good hair mask. Yeah, I have made one.

686
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 2: I love it so much. I have a hair mask

687
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 2: called a money hair mask. Like hair masks, it's called money.

688
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 2: The reason we called it money is because it gives

689
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 2: you very hydrated, rich kind of looking hair.

690
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: But the molecule listener's money hair mask money by and.

691
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 2: The molecules are tiny, so basically the absorbing to the hand.

692
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 2: They don't weigh it down. So you know, even if

693
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 2: you have fine hair, it's not going to make it

694
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 2: flat to your head, still gonna have volumes, it's gonna

695
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 2: have sexist books and have that beautiful showe.

696
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: I've heard hair experts say that they can see changes

697
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: to a person's health in their hair.

698
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 2: Is that true?

699
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 1: Yeah?

700
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 2: I mean a lot of people when they lose weight dramatically,

701
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 2: Like the first thing that happens is the hair goes thin.

702
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 2: So when you're lacking nutrients, it reflects in your hair.

703
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,959
Speaker 1: Like what about taking the ozempics and the mondurros, what happens?

704
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people notice hair loss with

705
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 2: it when they're losing weight. But hair is just usually

706
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 2: the thing that gets affected the most A lot of

707
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 2: the time. It balances out over time, but I think

708
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 2: sometimes when you are cutting short your body of the

709
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 2: nutrients and ingredients it needs, it's obviously going to reflect

710
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 2: in your hand, in your nails. So you can take

711
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 2: supplements to help. Those supplements are great.

712
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 1: I have a lot of friends with hair is really

713
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 1: getting thin. Yeah, what can they do anything?

714
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 2: Scalp treatments are really important now. I think a lot

715
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 2: of people kind of didn't ever look after their scalp,

716
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 2: so they put the moisturizer on the face and all

717
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 2: of the creams. But the scalp is an extension of that.

718
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 2: So if the scalp not in great condition, the hair

719
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 2: is not going to be. So I would There's a

720
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 2: product called youth juice. You put it through the hair

721
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 2: and it adds collage into the scalp. Because juice youth juice,

722
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 2: we lose one percent collagen every year after the age

723
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 2: of twenty five, so slowly the scalp is not as

724
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 2: good conditions. So you need to really treat that because

725
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 2: the hair then will grow through, will grow through. It's

726
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 2: like you know, a plant growing through you know, rich

727
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 2: healthy nutrous soil or just dried out dead. So you know,

728
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 2: you've got to keep the scalp really healthy.

729
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 1: So scalp gere blow drying hair bad good.

730
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,719
Speaker 2: I think it's just necessary. And you know, use heat protection.

731
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 2: But as long as you're not going crazy with the heat,

732
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 2: turn the heat down. If you have fine hair. Those

733
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 2: little tricks just make a big difference.

734
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,479
Speaker 1: And in the book too, you offer an awful lot

735
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 1: of advice about taking care of one's here. Yeah, and changing,

736
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 1: changing the styles and being bald and curious about all

737
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 1: of that.

738
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 2: Yeah.

739
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: Do you find it hard to tell celebrity clients that

740
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: they have to change?

741
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 2: No? I love it you do. Yeah, I'll be like

742
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 2: j Loo's do something different or like do we we

743
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 2: do something different than long? I don't know, Like, but

744
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 2: I'm always very I think the thing is with me

745
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 2: is it's never forceful. It's always just like, well what

746
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 2: about you know, you were thinking of doing this, but

747
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 2: we could do this, and that's just a little tweak.

748
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 2: But it makes it a little different, you know, and

749
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 2: it makes it a little bit you know, evolve. And

750
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 2: I think most people are kind of open to that.

751
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 2: I'm never like, let's shave one side off to us

752
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 2: to be dramatic. It's just small changes to sort of

753
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 2: suit the mood where and the story you're telling, you know, yeah,

754
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 2: storytelling with your hair.

755
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: In the book, you do touch on different people that

756
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 1: you've taken care of.

757
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 2: Yea, did you think.

758
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: About that a lot about who you were going to

759
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: talk about.

760
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 2: I think it just kind of became organic and part

761
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 2: of the people I've worked with and been fortunate enough

762
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 2: to spend time with and I've learned from, and they

763
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 2: kind of, I guess organically just came up in the

764
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 2: book and spoke about some really fun stories. People look

765
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 2: the behind the scenes of it all. You know, you

766
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 2: can post the cover of a magazine, but people want

767
00:32:58,080 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 2: to know what happened behind the scenes of it all.

768
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 2: Like our TikTok was fun, but if people are saw

769
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 2: how we were laughing and trying to get it right

770
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 2: and the tower kept flipping off your head, and you know,

771
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 2: that's kind exactly right.

772
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 1: How did you fill up your style? You really have

773
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 1: an extraordinary style. My tear has been done by so

774
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 1: many different people, but you have a very easy way

775
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 1: of doing it and having vastly superior results.

776
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 2: Oh, thank you. I think my style I realized at a

777
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 2: young age it was important to have a brand, you know,

778
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 2: and something that makes you you. And I think the

779
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 2: type of work Kim actually, Kim Kardashian was actually the

780
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 2: one that kind of pointed out to me. She said,

781
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 2: I can always tell when you've done j Loo's hair,

782
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 2: because you know, sometimes I'm not available to other people

783
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 2: do it. And she said, I can tell when you

784
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 2: do it. And I said how and she said, it's

785
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 2: the finish you get on a hair. It's the quality

786
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 2: of the hair you can So I think my thing,

787
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 2: whatever it is, is I always like to do something different,

788
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 2: but I always like to keep it beautiful and in

789
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 2: the realm of how they feel good. But to me,

790
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 2: it's like got to be in good quality. Even if

791
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 2: it's like messed up, choppy Kate Moss, it's still got

792
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 2: a locksness. It's not just a mess. You know. Sometimes

793
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 2: well this is BedHead, and it's like, yeah, it's also

794
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 2: something else, you know, it's a quality you get to it.

795
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:08,720
Speaker 1: You work with wigs.

796
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 2: I love wigs, Yeah, I just I started to work

797
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 2: with wiks with cancer patients because women came in Myselon,

798
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 2: and they were really strong ballbreaker women, and they were

799
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 2: like rabbits and headlights when they lost their hair, because

800
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 2: they were like, I can't I look sick and I

801
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 2: can't deal with this. I can't see what reflects back

802
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 2: to me in the mirror. And because their identity on

803
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 2: with their hair, they were like, I can't, who am I?

804
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 2: I look sick And they'd say to me they'd rather

805
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 2: lose their breast and their hair. You know. They found

806
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 2: it incredibly emotionally draining. So I used to work on

807
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 2: these weeks to make them look natural. I'd add a

808
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 2: little route or pluck the hairline, and they would go

809
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 2: out feeling like I saw that thing that I did

810
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 2: to my mum, but on a bigger level of like

811
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 2: they could face the day and try and beat this,

812
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 2: you know, cancer. Now, obviously I do it with celebrities

813
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 2: and it's just such a fun way to change up looks,

814
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 2: you know, in a fast way without too much commitment.

815
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 1: I know, the transformation in the movies of people is

816
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 1: a straordinary with hair, yeah, just extraordinary. I mean sometimes

817
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 1: when when I see some of your clients with tiny,

818
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 1: very short hair cuts, I know it's.

819
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:11,840
Speaker 2: A wik Kim's Pixie with Harris?

820
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 1: Is that a wig? Yeah?

821
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 2: How hard it was to get all that hair under that?

822
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:16,839
Speaker 1: Right? What did you do to her hair? Where did

823
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 1: you put it?

824
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:21,359
Speaker 2: I kept trying to hide it, you know. But that's

825
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 2: all to do with like, as much as what we do,

826
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 2: you are an artist in times of like you looking

827
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 2: and looking at the head shape you're looking at You're

828
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 2: not just looking at the hair. You look at the

829
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 2: face and what brings out the face shape and how

830
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 2: the head dips and what you know, it's all about

831
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 2: sort of shape. And then in that way you really

832
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 2: are kind of an artist in who cuts your hair

833
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:39,320
Speaker 2: at the moment if you've dis cut my hair? A

834
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 2: guy in La called Austin that you cut this myself.

835
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 2: It's kind of a combination. The thing is when you know,

836
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 2: you know, I can do it now it's longer. When

837
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 2: it was shorter, I couldn't do it.

838
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 1: You know. In the pictures in the book, when were

839
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: those pictures taken? You were blonde?

840
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 2: Yeah that was last year.

841
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: Last year. And then the back picture. I love the

842
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:54,760
Speaker 1: back picture.

843
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 2: Do you know what's funny? Drew said this on the

844
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 2: front she said, Chris is so much more than a

845
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 2: hair grow. I'm excited for everyone's alone who he is

846
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,240
Speaker 2: and share his personal journey. Drew always Drew Barrymore always

847
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 2: says to me she found her character in wigs. When

848
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 2: she's doing a movie. She said that the getting the

849
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 2: wig was such an important part for her because she

850
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 2: could get into the character and see it who it

851
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 2: was that helped the young girl. And she yeah, yeah, yeah,

852
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 2: which is kind of you know, that's the power.

853
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:18,879
Speaker 1: She's so much fun.

854
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 2: What I love is just being able to help more people,

855
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,320
Speaker 2: like all right, well you don't look like Jla or

856
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 2: Kim or Arianna, but like this is how we can

857
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 2: break it down like you do with cooking, Like oh yeah,

858
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 2: like this looks amazing, but look it's not that just this.

859
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 2: You make it like this, and I think people love that.

860
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 1: You know people can you make it very easy. I mean,

861
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 1: change my hair in a few minutes. It's just extraordinary.

862
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 2: How do you do you talk about about how I

863
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 2: got my style? I'm interested how you got your signature,

864
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 2: like Martha Stewart, you know, at home with you, I

865
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 2: feel like I'm in your kitchen when I watch it.

866
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 2: I don't even cook, but I want to. I want

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Speaker 2: to listen. How did you know that was your thing? Like,

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Speaker 2: did you think about it or was it just.

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Speaker 1: I think it was just a natural evolution, really and

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Speaker 1: truly right, and it was in an act.

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Speaker 2: It's just me.

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Speaker 1: That's the way I've always been, and I've been, you know,

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Speaker 1: I've been made fun of a lot. I mean, there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of memes out there now. Oh gosh, there's

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Speaker 1: a recent one. I can't remember her name, but boy,

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Speaker 1: she has been doing me on the food pyramid. Did

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Speaker 1: you see that?

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Speaker 2: I didn't see that.

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Speaker 1: Oh it's hysterical.

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Speaker 2: That's so good that you can laugh at yourself as well.

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Speaker 1: I love it. I love it, I have been. I

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Speaker 1: think I think it was Jimmy Fallon pointed out how

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Speaker 1: many different people have imitated me, and it's many. It's

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Speaker 1: like twenty people have got really good imitations, and they're

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Speaker 1: going to do that in YouTube. Boy, because well you

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Speaker 1: know what that means. Yeah, yeah, says that's right. You're successful.

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Speaker 2: You did that. We did it the odds, we did something.

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Speaker 1: So you are an iconic hairdresser at a young age.

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Speaker 1: You have a long way to go, and you have

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Speaker 1: so many other people to help transform and create great beauty. Really,

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Speaker 1: you're doing it a beautiful job, and I think the

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Speaker 1: readers should look for this book Your Ruth Don't Define

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Speaker 1: You by Chris Appleton. I think you'll enjoy it, and

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Speaker 1: I think you'll enjoy it getting to know this very attractive,

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Speaker 1: very friendly man called Chris Appleton. Thank you for coming

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Speaker 1: on our show. It's really fun and I can't wait

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Speaker 1: till you touch my hair again.

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Speaker 2: Let's go Okay, we're going to finish this and we're

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Speaker 2: going to get hands back on MATHA. Thank you, Chris,

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much