WEBVTT - D’Mile 0:00:01.920 --> 0:00:12.520 R and B Money. We are thanks. We are the 0:00:12.680 --> 0:00:18.800 authority on R and D. Ladies and gentlemen. I'm Jay 0:00:18.920 --> 0:00:22.480 Valentine and this is the R and B Money Podcast. 0:00:22.640 --> 0:00:31.680 And today I got everybody's favorite producer. It's the producer's 0:00:31.680 --> 0:00:34.920 favorite producer. I think we probably gonna We're gonna we 0:00:35.000 --> 0:00:40.680 might roll some more, hopefully with on Divee Tonight. We're 0:00:40.680 --> 0:00:48.360 gonna definitely risk it all on my Mama. You're about 0:00:48.400 --> 0:00:50.840 to love this episode. Today I got my good brother, 0:00:51.560 --> 0:00:55.200 the amazing, the greatest Haitian. They might get mad at 0:00:55.200 --> 0:00:56.840 me for here in that, DMA. 0:00:57.120 --> 0:01:02.480 What's the hold home? How you doing? Brood se? 0:01:02.640 --> 0:01:04.399 Hey bro, this is like the lock Nest Munster. 0:01:06.480 --> 0:01:08.240 Yeah, man, I'm outside now, I'm outside. 0:01:09.920 --> 0:01:12.720 So all y'all have been looking for dmile here I 0:01:12.720 --> 0:01:16.360 am man. I found it. I found it. Hey man, 0:01:16.520 --> 0:01:17.080 It's good to. 0:01:17.000 --> 0:01:18.760 See you, bro Man, good to see you too. 0:01:18.800 --> 0:01:18.959 Man. 0:01:19.240 --> 0:01:23.440 Listen, you know, obviously a lot of people publicly don't 0:01:23.440 --> 0:01:27.360 know you. Was that Was that done on purpose for you? 0:01:27.480 --> 0:01:29.720 I feel like at first it was I kind of 0:01:29.880 --> 0:01:34.200 just like focus on the music and the news, loving 0:01:34.240 --> 0:01:38.000 to do that. I kind of didn't like attention. I 0:01:38.040 --> 0:01:41.880 still don't, but you know, I'm way more open these days. 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:43.840 But then it kind of just became a part of 0:01:43.880 --> 0:01:48.000 my my thing. So I don't think it was always intentions. 0:01:48.040 --> 0:01:50.760 The whole time. It was like whatever comes, whatever comes, 0:01:50.960 --> 0:01:52.080 and then just. 0:01:52.400 --> 0:01:54.280 Then, like you said, it became part of your thing. 0:01:54.320 --> 0:01:56.440 It's like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I want to go 0:01:56.480 --> 0:01:57.120 to around. 0:01:56.880 --> 0:02:02.240 Exactly right, but I can't write. I definitely got comfortable. 0:02:02.280 --> 0:02:04.040 I definitely started to like it, so I was just like, 0:02:04.040 --> 0:02:05.840 I'm cool with it, Like, yeah, if I can just 0:02:05.880 --> 0:02:09.080 still live and do all that and not even show 0:02:09.160 --> 0:02:11.440 up and you know, show my face and all that stuff. 0:02:11.480 --> 0:02:16.760 But people don't understand, man, the the luxury of that 0:02:17.080 --> 0:02:19.480 of being able to do what you love in the 0:02:19.680 --> 0:02:22.640 entertainment space, because that's you know, when you sign up 0:02:22.680 --> 0:02:25.840 for entertaining or entertainment, it becomes a thing where you 0:02:25.880 --> 0:02:28.000 have to show up. But being able to make a 0:02:28.080 --> 0:02:31.240 living in the entertainment world and not have to go 0:02:31.280 --> 0:02:35.000 to things, yeah, it's actually pretty fucking I went through 0:02:35.000 --> 0:02:36.760 that phase for sure. Sure, you know what I mean, 0:02:37.480 --> 0:02:39.680 People bring up my artists days and I'm like, yeah, 0:02:40.720 --> 0:02:42.760 whenever it felt like it was about to just get 0:02:42.800 --> 0:02:45.120 too cracking, Yeah, I was like, all right, I'm. 0:02:44.960 --> 0:02:47.920 Out exactly yep. 0:02:47.080 --> 0:02:51.919 Middle of a song. Yep, don't do a video for it. Whatever. 0:02:54.120 --> 0:02:56.120 Have too many niggas's noticing me to get that out 0:02:56.160 --> 0:02:59.320 of here, right, you know what I mean? So I understand, bro, Like, 0:02:59.440 --> 0:03:02.799 and that's a uh, that's a space that I don't 0:03:02.800 --> 0:03:07.440 know if everybody respects, right, you know, being able to 0:03:07.560 --> 0:03:09.600 just go to the mall, go to the store, or 0:03:10.320 --> 0:03:14.040 be on the plane and yeah, nobody let you sleep 0:03:14.080 --> 0:03:16.640 through your flight, right, you know what I mean. You're 0:03:16.680 --> 0:03:20.160 probably gonna be a sleep to your flight after tonight, bro, Man, Like, 0:03:20.200 --> 0:03:22.480 I see you want to my. 0:03:22.480 --> 0:03:25.520 Son, right, Yeah, I'm ready for it now. 0:03:25.600 --> 0:03:27.560 It's I mean, you don't really have none of the 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:29.720 producing trappings neither. Bro. You don't got no no. 0:03:29.720 --> 0:03:34.960 Big change, got my damn Apple Watch. Yeah you know 0:03:35.000 --> 0:03:37.160 what I'm saying. But besides that, I'm chilling. 0:03:37.280 --> 0:03:38.640 But now they're going they gonna know the name of 0:03:38.640 --> 0:03:42.760 the company too, though, definitely. So let's let's go back though, bro. Yeah, 0:03:43.280 --> 0:03:45.320 take me back to flat Bush, take me back to 0:03:45.360 --> 0:03:45.960 New York. 0:03:45.960 --> 0:03:49.760 Boy, Yeah, we're going back back. Yeah. So yeah, I'm 0:03:49.760 --> 0:03:53.320 born and raised in Brooklyn, started getting into music since 0:03:53.360 --> 0:03:56.000 I was like three. Really, my mom and dad they 0:03:56.000 --> 0:03:58.560 are musicians. My mom she passed away a few years ago, 0:03:58.600 --> 0:04:02.200 but thank you man. She was like a known singer 0:04:02.240 --> 0:04:04.480 in the Haitian market, and my dad was ann producer 0:04:04.480 --> 0:04:07.000 in the Haitian market. So all my life I just 0:04:07.560 --> 0:04:10.560 been around that, like are you only child? For ten years? 0:04:10.600 --> 0:04:12.560 I was? But now yeah, now I have two, I 0:04:12.560 --> 0:04:16.360 have two siblings. But for a while, it was it 0:04:16.400 --> 0:04:21.000 was just me. So growing up, we were just always 0:04:21.080 --> 0:04:23.679 like like literally we were like we lived in the basement. 0:04:23.920 --> 0:04:26.520 It was like a two two family home, so we 0:04:26.560 --> 0:04:31.599 lived in the basement. So all the equipment, yes, exactly, 0:04:32.000 --> 0:04:34.600 So all the equipment was right there at my disposal, 0:04:34.880 --> 0:04:38.800 you know, and I was just curious, you know. 0:04:39.120 --> 0:04:41.479 Super musical house too, though, super musical house. 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:41.960 Yeah. 0:04:42.040 --> 0:04:45.599 It's funny because obviously I'm in a music business, but 0:04:45.760 --> 0:04:47.800 I don't have a whole bunch of music going on 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:48.680 in my house all day. 0:04:48.920 --> 0:04:49.080 Yeah. 0:04:49.560 --> 0:04:51.159 Did you have a lot of music in your house 0:04:51.279 --> 0:04:53.120 just as soon as you wake in just hearing? 0:04:53.320 --> 0:04:55.240 Yeah, because my dad he gives to this day, he 0:04:55.279 --> 0:05:04.960 still gives private lessons at the house. Yeah, So piano, piano, bass, guitar, drums, 0:05:05.040 --> 0:05:08.080 like he has. He has like a lot of students. 0:05:08.080 --> 0:05:10.760 He has a students that he could make a band with, 0:05:11.120 --> 0:05:13.760 like and stuff like that. And he's done that, Like 0:05:13.800 --> 0:05:17.520 he's gone out and done gigs his students. You know 0:05:17.520 --> 0:05:20.120 what I mean to this day, like people drop out 0:05:20.160 --> 0:05:23.560 of college, like go to Berkeley and then they work 0:05:23.640 --> 0:05:25.800 with him, and like I'm paying too much money, Like 0:05:25.839 --> 0:05:28.120 I learned so much more over here. No offense to Berkeley, 0:05:28.240 --> 0:05:31.400 but well, you know, but that's that's what my dad 0:05:31.440 --> 0:05:35.360 was doing. And I've heard that so many times. But yeah, 0:05:35.480 --> 0:05:36.080 to this day, he. 0:05:36.160 --> 0:05:39.599 Still do you feel like when you were born that 0:05:39.680 --> 0:05:41.479 it was one of those things like he's going to 0:05:41.520 --> 0:05:46.120 do music in your parents eyes, like giving birth to 0:05:46.160 --> 0:05:46.679 a musician. 0:05:46.920 --> 0:05:49.760 I don't know. I feel like I feel like, yeah, 0:05:49.800 --> 0:05:53.880 it was there, but I don't think they they wanted 0:05:54.640 --> 0:05:56.880 to force it on me, which I think was a 0:05:56.920 --> 0:05:58.880 plus because maybe if they did, I probably wouldn't want 0:05:58.920 --> 0:06:01.880 to do it. So it never felt like something that 0:06:01.920 --> 0:06:05.160 they were just like setting me up to do it, 0:06:05.360 --> 0:06:08.640 just or gallery became a love of mine. You know. 0:06:08.880 --> 0:06:10.000 So what'd you start with? First? 0:06:10.720 --> 0:06:12.040 Keys? Piano? 0:06:12.200 --> 0:06:14.080 I think, yeah, so you guys had a piano the house. 0:06:14.160 --> 0:06:15.640 Yeah, piano on the house. We had a piano and 0:06:15.640 --> 0:06:19.760 guitar bass. I remember someone bought me. I had my 0:06:19.839 --> 0:06:21.960 first fretless bass. The first base I ever had was 0:06:21.960 --> 0:06:24.920 a frintless bass, which was the hardest version of a bass. 0:06:25.360 --> 0:06:28.120 So you literally grew up in a house that looked 0:06:28.160 --> 0:06:30.320 like school of rock, is what you're telling. Let's say 0:06:30.320 --> 0:06:33.480 the instruments everywhere, Yes, definitely, Oh that's great. 0:06:33.720 --> 0:06:36.040 Yep. So I had it all, you know, and that's 0:06:36.200 --> 0:06:38.039 that's why I'm able to play all those instruments today. 0:06:38.720 --> 0:06:41.480 Drums was my favorite, but I didn't have that at home. 0:06:41.839 --> 0:06:42.720 There's no drums though. 0:06:42.760 --> 0:06:44.880 Yeah, there was no drums until later, like we moved, 0:06:45.440 --> 0:06:46.320 had space for drums. 0:06:46.400 --> 0:06:48.760 Yeah, you can't be playing but yeah, the bigger basis 0:06:48.800 --> 0:06:53.400 exactly probably get kicked out for fat Yeah. All right, 0:06:53.520 --> 0:06:56.159 So you take on instruments at the age of three, 0:06:57.440 --> 0:07:00.560 and what's the process for you as far as is 0:07:00.600 --> 0:07:02.520 it okay, I'm going to be a musician. I'm going 0:07:02.560 --> 0:07:05.200 to play in church, I write songs one day, Like 0:07:05.279 --> 0:07:07.400 what in your mind is there anything other than it 0:07:07.480 --> 0:07:10.400 just being a natural thing to just play instruments early on? 0:07:10.480 --> 0:07:12.800 I don't know. I can't pinpoint is exactly when. But 0:07:12.840 --> 0:07:14.320 I know it was at a young age that I 0:07:14.400 --> 0:07:19.320 knew that I wanted to do like music behind the scenes, 0:07:19.560 --> 0:07:23.400 and essentially that was being a producer. I never thought 0:07:23.400 --> 0:07:25.800 about being an artist, even though one time I had 0:07:25.800 --> 0:07:26.239 a chance. 0:07:27.640 --> 0:07:29.920 Okay, you gotta tell me about that. He was about 0:07:29.920 --> 0:07:31.160 to be about to sing. 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:34.320 No sing sing. So around when I was like like 0:07:34.400 --> 0:07:39.520 fifteen sixteen, I had access to a studio from a 0:07:39.560 --> 0:07:42.840 family friend of my dad's. They knew each other from 0:07:42.840 --> 0:07:44.200 back in Haiti and all that stuff, and he lives 0:07:44.240 --> 0:07:47.040 in Long Island, still lives in that same house where 0:07:47.040 --> 0:07:51.960 I used to work at and I would just do 0:07:52.080 --> 0:07:55.520 these demos and like have all these tracks but no 0:07:55.560 --> 0:07:58.520 one to write to them. So it forced me to 0:07:58.600 --> 0:08:00.640 kind of just write to my beats two the tracks 0:08:01.400 --> 0:08:03.760 and singing, which I was not, like, that's not my 0:08:03.800 --> 0:08:04.720 favorite thing to do. 0:08:05.360 --> 0:08:06.880 So you're not why cleft. 0:08:06.680 --> 0:08:11.160 No, right, But I had all these songs that I 0:08:11.240 --> 0:08:16.160 wrote and sang, and you know, it got to some 0:08:16.160 --> 0:08:20.960 people's hands and somehow, some way I almost had a 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:24.239 chance to be signed to Universal at nineteen. 0:08:24.720 --> 0:08:26.760 You was about to be the Haitian Tank, right. 0:08:26.920 --> 0:08:30.480 Yeah, maybe Tank, I think I was being compared. 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:33.400 To Neo, know, because you are one hundred percent? Well, yes, right, 0:08:33.559 --> 0:08:35.560 like that's what I mean. You know, we talked about 0:08:35.559 --> 0:08:38.760 that earlier. It's not very many would especially from an 0:08:38.800 --> 0:08:42.880 artist standpoint of guys who literally write the songs, produce 0:08:42.920 --> 0:08:45.720 the songs, sing the song. Yeah that's different. 0:08:46.080 --> 0:08:49.400 But I didn't have a voice like him. Okay, but 0:08:49.480 --> 0:08:51.920 everything else, yeah, that would have been You're dead right, 0:08:51.920 --> 0:08:53.080 I'm dead on it. 0:08:53.800 --> 0:08:57.360 So he said you had you had a chance. Does 0:08:57.400 --> 0:08:59.319 that mean you actually took Did you take the did 0:08:59.320 --> 0:09:02.560 you take the the meetings and the whole thing? 0:09:02.679 --> 0:09:05.439 Yeah? I went with it. I went up to the building. 0:09:05.600 --> 0:09:07.440 Did you audition you did the whole shit? Or no? 0:09:07.920 --> 0:09:10.360 I can't remember if I auditioned, but like I remember, 0:09:10.440 --> 0:09:13.840 everybody wanted to sign me in the building except for 0:09:13.880 --> 0:09:15.839 Sylvia r Own. She was like no, she was the 0:09:15.920 --> 0:09:19.080 only one that didn't believe it. I should probably thank her. 0:09:21.280 --> 0:09:24.640 So at this time, though, had you placed anything on anybody, 0:09:24.679 --> 0:09:27.079 had you done anything? Had you had your break yet 0:09:27.240 --> 0:09:29.080 as a as a writer or producer or any of 0:09:29.080 --> 0:09:29.840 those things? Yet? 0:09:30.000 --> 0:09:32.439 I know when I was nineteen, I just can't remember this, but. 0:09:32.440 --> 0:09:34.040 You said fifteen at this point, right. 0:09:33.920 --> 0:09:37.000 Well, I started making music and like demograph music when 0:09:37.000 --> 0:09:38.720 I was fifteen. But by the time I was nineteen, 0:09:38.960 --> 0:09:40.600 is when you took this meeting. Yeah, like that's when 0:09:40.600 --> 0:09:45.240 they wanted to sign me. Yeah, so around that time, 0:09:45.280 --> 0:09:47.000 I can't remember when it came out or whatever, but 0:09:47.040 --> 0:09:50.400 around that time was when well maybe it was when 0:09:50.400 --> 0:09:52.120 I was twenty, so I think I think I didn't 0:09:52.160 --> 0:09:55.400 have anything. But right after my first placement was on 0:09:55.559 --> 0:09:57.680 Rihanna's very first album. 0:09:57.960 --> 0:10:03.160 Yeah, first placement, Yeah, good job, man, Yeah, yeah. 0:10:03.200 --> 0:10:05.360 I don't think anybody knows the song, but hey, yeah 0:10:05.480 --> 0:10:06.760 I heard it. 0:10:06.360 --> 0:10:10.280 I did my research. I was like, yeah, this doesn't 0:10:10.280 --> 0:10:15.040 sound like but it don't really sound like Rihanna either, 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:18.400 because she had to make that kind of that transition. 0:10:18.480 --> 0:10:21.840 It was more of an island field exactly initially with 0:10:21.920 --> 0:10:24.040 her with her first album It's Okay. So how do 0:10:24.080 --> 0:10:27.160 you land a record on Rihanna's first album? 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:30.920 Man, me and my partners, you know, we were just 0:10:30.920 --> 0:10:33.880 in New York grinding, just trying to like sow the season, 0:10:33.920 --> 0:10:37.400 let everybody know who I am, and we ran into 0:10:38.040 --> 0:10:39.240 this group called Full Force. 0:10:39.320 --> 0:10:44.600 You know, come on do that, hey man, do not 0:10:44.760 --> 0:10:48.400 do hey? This group called Yeah we're talking about we 0:10:48.520 --> 0:10:55.120 talk both body Slam, the house party. Come on, don't 0:10:55.200 --> 0:10:57.960 do this though, do this. This was my guys bro 0:10:58.200 --> 0:10:59.400 for my guy. 0:10:59.720 --> 0:11:01.640 You might not know so no, no. 0:11:01.120 --> 0:11:04.360 No, listen, if you watch the Army Mundy podcast, you 0:11:04.400 --> 0:11:09.479 know who and what the fuck is Full Force Facts Legends. 0:11:09.960 --> 0:11:11.160 So yes, yeah, so. 0:11:11.080 --> 0:11:14.640 We ran into them on the street. No, no, no, I 0:11:14.640 --> 0:11:18.600 think I can't remember. I think they found us because. 0:11:18.360 --> 0:11:21.520 They were doing they did all the boy band shit. Yeah, 0:11:21.600 --> 0:11:23.920 they did all of like the Backstreet and sing type. 0:11:23.920 --> 0:11:24.679 You know what I mean exactly. 0:11:25.000 --> 0:11:28.640 That's what most people don't know about Full Force, right yep. 0:11:29.040 --> 0:11:31.960 So by this time they had already done that all 0:11:32.000 --> 0:11:32.160 of that. 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:35.520 Yeah, okay, So at this time, they were already trying 0:11:35.520 --> 0:11:39.680 to work on stuff for Rihanna, and they heard this 0:11:39.720 --> 0:11:44.000 track that I did, which funny story That specific track 0:11:45.080 --> 0:11:48.600 was something like I used to like just take a 0:11:48.640 --> 0:11:52.240 capella's and remix them to my own beats. So I 0:11:52.280 --> 0:11:56.839 actually remixed the Destiny Child's Soldier and made that beat. 0:11:57.160 --> 0:11:58.719 But then they heard the track and they're like, yo, 0:11:58.920 --> 0:12:00.920 we want to write to this for this new artist 0:12:01.000 --> 0:12:02.520 named Rihanna. I'm like, I don't know who that is. 0:12:03.000 --> 0:12:05.080 But then they told me the story. They told me 0:12:05.120 --> 0:12:07.840 how you know, she was like they wouldn't let her 0:12:07.920 --> 0:12:09.800 leave the office to like all that stuff. 0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:13.840 Priority. Yeahs the priority of the building. Yes, yes, so 0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:17.560 you know that happened, and you know that's where comes 0:12:17.559 --> 0:12:18.960 from exactly. Wow. 0:12:19.080 --> 0:12:21.400 They wrote, they wrote on that and then she hopped 0:12:21.400 --> 0:12:24.360 on it, and I just I'm just like, okay, this 0:12:24.440 --> 0:12:26.440 is this is cool, you know what I mean. 0:12:26.920 --> 0:12:29.680 So, yeah, that's how that happened. So you have that 0:12:29.800 --> 0:12:34.280 in place, you got this this this record deal. That 0:12:34.360 --> 0:12:38.880 don't happen. Sylvia ain't fucking with you. You're like, nah no. 0:12:39.000 --> 0:12:42.480 But was it a situation though where she was like, 0:12:42.520 --> 0:12:45.000 all right, well I don't want to do an artist deal, 0:12:45.360 --> 0:12:47.560 but I want some of these songs because that happens 0:12:47.600 --> 0:12:49.520 to a lot of times. She just wasn't rocking. 0:12:49.679 --> 0:12:51.880 I don't think she was rocking. I never met her, like, okay, 0:12:52.280 --> 0:12:54.800 you know, man, I forgot the other guys that were there, 0:12:55.160 --> 0:12:58.880 but like he was one of the execs, but he 0:12:59.040 --> 0:13:02.720 was like a known producer as well. I'm tripping on 0:13:02.760 --> 0:13:05.959 the name right now, but anyway, he was like championing 0:13:06.280 --> 0:13:08.240 and then everybody else, you know, I kept hearing like 0:13:08.240 --> 0:13:10.840 everybody else in the building rocks with me, but she 0:13:10.920 --> 0:13:13.440 was the only one. You know, if that story ain't true, 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:16.480 somebody can tell me. But that's what I feel like, 0:13:17.440 --> 0:13:20.800 right right. I never met her, so I don't really 0:13:20.800 --> 0:13:22.360 know what she was thinking. But I don't think they 0:13:22.400 --> 0:13:25.760 were even interested in me as a producer either at 0:13:25.800 --> 0:13:26.200 that time. 0:13:26.360 --> 0:13:31.120 Yeah, so from Rihanna, Yeah, what transpires for you? Do 0:13:31.160 --> 0:13:35.480 you get a publishing deal? Are you? So? No real 0:13:35.480 --> 0:13:38.720 attention is happening yet though, yet, because what most people 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:43.080 don't understand is album cut, right, album cut don't really 0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:47.240 move a needle, you know what I mean unless somebody says, hey, 0:13:47.559 --> 0:13:51.199 you can sign to me through something, right, and they 0:13:51.240 --> 0:13:54.560 start doing the co pub deals that all that signing 0:13:54.600 --> 0:13:56.640 me as a producer, signed me as a writer type 0:13:56.640 --> 0:14:00.760 of thing. But I think for the average person, they're 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:04.240 just like, oh, well, he had a Rihanna record, right, right, 0:14:04.679 --> 0:14:07.720 And that's tough to explain, yeah to people who haven't 0:14:07.760 --> 0:14:11.240 done it right and who aren't in it because they think, oh, one, 0:14:11.280 --> 0:14:13.880 you're rich, right, I'm sure at this point you will 0:14:14.040 --> 0:14:16.800 not yet it ain't. It has not come at all, 0:14:16.840 --> 0:14:19.160 and the royalties take a long time to get facts. Yep, 0:14:19.680 --> 0:14:23.440 what did you do? You remember what your first fee was? 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:25.520 What was your feet for that record? Do you remember 0:14:25.520 --> 0:14:26.400 your producer free for that? 0:14:26.480 --> 0:14:29.120 Oh god, I don't. I don't. I feel like it 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:32.080 was in the teens. Yeah, I feel like it was 0:14:32.080 --> 0:14:34.960 in the teens, off the rip. It might have been less. Really, 0:14:35.480 --> 0:14:38.640 I really can't remember. Dang, but I feel like if 0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:39.880 anything was in the teens, I know it was it 0:14:39.960 --> 0:14:40.560 in the twenties. 0:14:40.800 --> 0:14:44.560 Yeah, yeah, but a brand new producer getting the early teams. Yeah, yeah, 0:14:44.760 --> 0:14:50.960 early tea Yeah, twelve five not quite a team exactly right, 0:14:51.040 --> 0:14:54.800 under a team exactly? No, no, no, listen, yeah, I thought 0:14:54.840 --> 0:14:56.800 you was gonna say, bro, they gave me twenty five 0:14:56.840 --> 0:14:59.000 hundred and five thousand. Maybe, you know what I mean. 0:14:59.000 --> 0:15:01.760 It wasn't that low, but it wasn't crazy either. Yeah. 0:15:01.840 --> 0:15:04.600 Well, that time was different than the music business exactly. Yeah, 0:15:04.720 --> 0:15:07.560 you know what I mean, where upfront fees at that 0:15:07.560 --> 0:15:09.920 point was actually astronomical. 0:15:10.240 --> 0:15:12.560 Oh god, I was hearing, you know, Tim Miland and 0:15:12.560 --> 0:15:15.760 Farrell getting hundreds of thousands of dollars. I'm like, damn, 0:15:16.000 --> 0:15:17.200 let's take me back. 0:15:18.800 --> 0:15:20.440 Right, get that bad? 0:15:20.600 --> 0:15:20.880 Yeah? 0:15:20.920 --> 0:15:23.080 All right, so you got one place. Man, yep, what's 0:15:23.120 --> 0:15:26.960 the mindset now from a from a production sense of 0:15:27.520 --> 0:15:31.040 what you feel like you needed to do to grow 0:15:31.080 --> 0:15:31.600 your career. 0:15:31.920 --> 0:15:34.600 I think I was just seeing like what that happening. 0:15:34.640 --> 0:15:37.480 I was like on the right track, and you know, 0:15:37.880 --> 0:15:41.960 I just wanted to keep going and you know, just 0:15:42.040 --> 0:15:46.920 keep like sowing the seeds, letting everybody know, whoever is 0:15:46.960 --> 0:15:49.000 down to listen to my stuff, whoever is like down 0:15:49.040 --> 0:15:50.800 to work with me. I'm usually a work you know. 0:15:50.840 --> 0:15:54.120 I love working from scratch, like in the studio with artists. 0:15:54.240 --> 0:15:57.240 At that time, nobody was letting me do the studio 0:15:58.360 --> 0:16:00.760 what yeah, exactly what's his name? 0:16:00.880 --> 0:16:03.760 Right? Who out me on? Right? 0:16:03.920 --> 0:16:04.400 Exactly? 0:16:04.640 --> 0:16:06.800 So, because that's literally how this shit goes. 0:16:06.880 --> 0:16:07.680 Yeah for sure. 0:16:08.080 --> 0:16:09.600 So did you have a manager at the time? 0:16:09.880 --> 0:16:10.040 Yeah? 0:16:10.080 --> 0:16:12.040 Are you so? You do have things set up for 0:16:12.080 --> 0:16:12.280 you there? 0:16:12.400 --> 0:16:15.000 Yeah? Yeah. So I have a So I have a 0:16:15.000 --> 0:16:19.360 production company, Medina Entertainment, and I have two partners, brother 0:16:19.360 --> 0:16:22.280 Sewan and brother Colin. So we came up from the 0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:23.920 beginning together. I still rock with them to this. 0:16:24.000 --> 0:16:26.200 Oh yeah, yeah, started from the ground again, we started 0:16:26.200 --> 0:16:28.280 from the I love that, bro, So, I love that 0:16:28.800 --> 0:16:31.840 those brothers. Oh yeah, for sure. So Sean has been 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:34.040 playing the role of my manager. It wasn't like, really 0:16:34.080 --> 0:16:37.080 my manager just for the sake of our business. He 0:16:37.200 --> 0:16:37.840 was just doing that. 0:16:38.000 --> 0:16:41.200 Yeah, so yeah, it was it was really him just 0:16:41.400 --> 0:16:44.600 really making all the moves, you know, making the connections. 0:16:44.600 --> 0:16:48.520 He used to drive Tony Braxton when she was doing Broadway, 0:16:49.240 --> 0:16:51.360 so he had kind of a little relationship with her 0:16:51.400 --> 0:16:53.880 there and Tamar, which you know later on I got 0:16:53.880 --> 0:16:55.960 to meet her. But yeah, he was just around and 0:16:56.000 --> 0:16:58.240 he knew a lot of people because he was like 0:16:58.680 --> 0:17:00.560 just in the mix of a lot of things. New 0:17:00.640 --> 0:17:03.000 York like New York was back then. New York was 0:17:03.040 --> 0:17:05.000 like the spot you know what I mean. 0:17:05.560 --> 0:17:07.480 Are you in Brooklyn still at this point. 0:17:07.280 --> 0:17:10.440 Still in Brooklyn? Yep, still in Brooklyn. And then one 0:17:10.440 --> 0:17:13.920 thing led to another. I started going to this church 0:17:13.960 --> 0:17:20.080 in Queens were not officially but yeah every once in 0:17:20.080 --> 0:17:22.560 a while. So it was the Greater Allen Cathedral, but 0:17:22.600 --> 0:17:26.639 they had a youth church like a block and across 0:17:26.680 --> 0:17:29.639 the street away from the main church. And it was 0:17:29.680 --> 0:17:31.560 like me and my friends from like from high school. 0:17:32.119 --> 0:17:34.040 Some of my friends from high school invited me there 0:17:34.040 --> 0:17:36.040 and I just kept going since. So I would play 0:17:36.080 --> 0:17:38.520 there every once in a while, just you know, for 0:17:38.600 --> 0:17:40.320 fun or you know, just to help out or whatever. 0:17:41.040 --> 0:17:45.240 But you know, Stanley Brown, he was the MD at 0:17:45.240 --> 0:17:49.480 the main church, and I guess one day Rodney reached 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:55.520 out to Rodney Jerkins start Joker and he was like, man, 0:17:55.520 --> 0:17:56.919 I need some help, I need to I need to 0:17:56.920 --> 0:17:59.360 build a team or whatever, blah blah blah blah blah, 0:17:59.440 --> 0:18:01.960 and Stanley started hearing about me. I'm not even sure 0:18:01.960 --> 0:18:04.960 how that happened, but he started hearing about me and 0:18:05.000 --> 0:18:10.760 then inquired and we sent him, I'm sure one of 0:18:10.760 --> 0:18:12.720 my CDs at the time of little CDs of like 0:18:12.840 --> 0:18:17.040 tracks and songs and all that stuff, and he sent 0:18:17.080 --> 0:18:19.920 it over to Rodney and it was just one song 0:18:20.119 --> 0:18:22.440 specifically that made him be like, yeah, I need this guy. 0:18:23.240 --> 0:18:26.880 It was a song called Approach. Yeah, it's called Approach 0:18:27.520 --> 0:18:32.719 that I did all by myself. Years later. Actually, I 0:18:32.800 --> 0:18:36.760 gave it to Joe Thomas and he hopped on it. 0:18:36.480 --> 0:18:39.560 It was a bonus track on what's the name of 0:18:39.600 --> 0:18:44.320 the album. I'll think about it later, but anyway, that 0:18:44.520 --> 0:18:49.840 song got me to Jersey with Rodney, and that was 0:18:49.880 --> 0:18:52.399 the beginning of just like a whole nother step of 0:18:52.440 --> 0:18:53.199 my career. 0:18:53.400 --> 0:18:56.160 Is that considered because obviously I'm from the West coast. Yeah, 0:18:56.200 --> 0:18:59.119 so is that considered like a world away because you 0:18:59.240 --> 0:19:00.439 like it got me to Jersey. 0:19:00.600 --> 0:19:04.000 Yeah. It was definitely a long bus ride, I'll tell 0:19:04.040 --> 0:19:06.399 you that. Okay, I hated riding riding over there. It 0:19:06.440 --> 0:19:07.920 was like it was two and a half three hours. 0:19:07.920 --> 0:19:10.440 But for me at that time, it. 0:19:10.440 --> 0:19:12.600 Was just like you would take the bus over there. 0:19:12.800 --> 0:19:15.600 Yeah, I think the first time I went, yeah, I 0:19:15.600 --> 0:19:17.440 took I took the bus over there, and every once 0:19:17.440 --> 0:19:18.639 in a while I would take the bus over there. 0:19:18.840 --> 0:19:21.600 Three hour bus ride is not close, Yeah, exactly, it's 0:19:21.600 --> 0:19:23.080 not close, right, It's not close. 0:19:22.840 --> 0:19:25.879 And it's like closer to Philly because it's in Atlantic City. 0:19:26.040 --> 0:19:27.880 Okay, I had to go all the way over there. Yeah, 0:19:27.920 --> 0:19:30.840 because because for us, I think we always especially being 0:19:30.880 --> 0:19:33.280 in front of Bay Area, like we look at New 0:19:33.359 --> 0:19:35.960 York and New Jersey is like Oakland and San Francisco. 0:19:36.720 --> 0:19:39.440 But it's fifteen minutes. It's a fifteen minute you know 0:19:39.560 --> 0:19:41.959 over the bridge. Yeah you yeah, And I think what 0:19:42.040 --> 0:19:45.080 is is Manhattan? Was it Jersey City? That are like, yeah, 0:19:45.200 --> 0:19:48.200 I think exactly coming from the other side of the country. 0:19:48.560 --> 0:19:50.680 That's how I always thought about it like, oh, yeah, 0:19:50.720 --> 0:19:54.600 that's that's quick, right, yeah, three hours and yeah that's far. 0:19:54.800 --> 0:19:55.320 Yeah. 0:19:55.359 --> 0:19:58.240 And I learned that later when you just said Atlantic City, 0:19:58.280 --> 0:20:00.720 because I like to gamble, and I remember being out 0:20:00.720 --> 0:20:03.359 there at one time and he's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, man, 0:20:03.359 --> 0:20:05.520 we're gonna run up to a c yep. I said, 0:20:06.440 --> 0:20:09.440 come on, and like, yeah, it's gonna take us about Nah, 0:20:09.720 --> 0:20:15.600 I ain't gonna effects right here at this hotel in Manhattan, chilling, yep. 0:20:16.040 --> 0:20:18.200 Not no, yep, I'm cool. 0:20:18.480 --> 0:20:20.880 And then you gotta think. For me, I still had 0:20:20.920 --> 0:20:24.320 to take a train or a bus to Manhattan. Should 0:20:24.359 --> 0:20:24.919 get to. 0:20:24.800 --> 0:20:26.840 The bus to the bus to take you to Jersey. 0:20:26.880 --> 0:20:30.320 That actually took all day for me, all day for sure. Yeah, 0:20:30.400 --> 0:20:31.040 I hated it. 0:20:31.280 --> 0:20:32.320 But she was after something. 0:20:32.359 --> 0:20:33.240 Oh yeah, for sure. 0:20:42.320 --> 0:20:44.800 It was so now you work with Rodney, what's that 0:20:44.880 --> 0:20:45.680 process for you? 0:20:45.920 --> 0:20:47.720 It was great just kind of seeing I remember the 0:20:47.720 --> 0:20:50.520 first time I actually finally like we went up there 0:20:50.560 --> 0:20:53.280 and I met him. Actually, no, I'm tripping. The one 0:20:53.359 --> 0:20:56.040 time I met him once before we went out to Jersey. 0:20:56.600 --> 0:21:01.120 He was at Sony Studios, which doesn't exist anymore, in Manhattan, 0:21:01.760 --> 0:21:06.040 working on I think it was Beyonce I think that 0:21:06.040 --> 0:21:09.560 I was around the days of FOD times. Okay, so yeah, 0:21:09.560 --> 0:21:12.280 we got to meet like briefly there, and you know, 0:21:13.040 --> 0:21:16.199 he was telling me how much of a fan he 0:21:16.240 --> 0:21:19.880 was and all that stuff. And then after that day happened, 0:21:20.000 --> 0:21:23.520 I didn't hear from him for like months, so I'm like, Okay, 0:21:23.560 --> 0:21:26.879 I guess it's not happening this business, Yeah exactly, and 0:21:26.920 --> 0:21:28.520 then one day out of no way, he's like, yo, 0:21:28.640 --> 0:21:32.400 can he pull up today or tomorrow? And that's when 0:21:32.400 --> 0:21:35.200 I drove out there. Oh well, took the bus out there. 0:21:35.760 --> 0:21:39.480 But getting there and seeing him like he was in 0:21:39.480 --> 0:21:41.720 the middle of working on a project or finishing up 0:21:42.320 --> 0:21:46.480 a song and just kind of just seeing his process, 0:21:47.000 --> 0:21:51.679 I felt like I could. I just felt like he 0:21:51.760 --> 0:21:53.480 was like the older me in a way because I 0:21:53.480 --> 0:21:57.800 felt like like I just understood his process, and with 0:21:57.960 --> 0:22:02.000 me not knowing or being that close to someone that 0:22:02.040 --> 0:22:04.680 big at that time as a producer and seeing how 0:22:04.680 --> 0:22:06.640 he works, I was just like, yeah, I can relate 0:22:06.720 --> 0:22:09.639 to this like this, Yeah I can see myself doing 0:22:09.680 --> 0:22:13.399 that at that caliber. But it was, it was, it 0:22:13.480 --> 0:22:16.320 was crazy. And then after that, you know, we were there. 0:22:16.320 --> 0:22:19.479 I was there for two three years. A lot of 0:22:19.800 --> 0:22:22.840 great stories, you know, ups and downs. That's when I 0:22:22.880 --> 0:22:29.520 got my like Janet placement there the feedbacks. Yeah, before that, 0:22:29.680 --> 0:22:32.400 actually I did have that married J song Gonna break Through. 0:22:32.520 --> 0:22:34.800 Oh yeah, but that was before meeting him. One of 0:22:34.800 --> 0:22:37.880 my guys played on that record, really, Lauren Dawson. 0:22:38.200 --> 0:22:38.879 Oh snap. 0:22:39.280 --> 0:22:42.960 Yeah yeah, man, I've known Lauren bro since I was 0:22:42.960 --> 0:22:43.280 a teen. 0:22:43.280 --> 0:22:43.959 That's crazy. 0:22:44.040 --> 0:22:46.160 Yeah, I went out on a writing trip I think 0:22:46.240 --> 0:22:50.240 when I was like eighteen. Yeah, I met him years ago. 0:22:50.520 --> 0:22:53.159 Yeah, yeah, yeah, because I remember because the virgin I 0:22:53.240 --> 0:22:55.199 ended up coming out for that song was not exactly 0:22:55.280 --> 0:22:57.320 how I had it. They cleaned it up a little bit, 0:22:57.800 --> 0:22:58.520 added all the stuff. 0:22:58.680 --> 0:23:00.760 You know that you're a young producer, that's what happens. 0:23:00.760 --> 0:23:03.040 They're like, my partners hated it, but I was like, 0:23:03.480 --> 0:23:05.159 I get it. It made sense with the flow of 0:23:05.160 --> 0:23:09.159 the project, you know. But yeah, that's that's crazy. 0:23:09.280 --> 0:23:11.960 Small worlds very smart, especially music business. 0:23:12.040 --> 0:23:12.560 Yeah, for sure. 0:23:12.760 --> 0:23:16.400 So you you with you with Rodney, you get feedback, yep. 0:23:16.600 --> 0:23:20.560 Do you feel a shift yet within within where your 0:23:20.600 --> 0:23:25.200 career is going? And yeah, you know within the industry, 0:23:25.400 --> 0:23:30.119 yeah yeah, and obviously the at the time also being 0:23:30.480 --> 0:23:33.920 you know, signed to someone who's that high level in 0:23:33.960 --> 0:23:37.280 the industry. The phone calls are different, the you know, 0:23:37.320 --> 0:23:40.760 people pulling up to the studio like you said, Man, 0:23:40.800 --> 0:23:42.679 I want to get in with you. Now, it's like 0:23:42.680 --> 0:23:45.720 people are coming there to work with y'allah. I'm sure 0:23:45.760 --> 0:23:49.240 that was a whole different experience for you at that point. 0:23:49.480 --> 0:23:52.720 Yeah, sure, you know. I mean for me, of course, 0:23:52.760 --> 0:23:56.199 he was the main focus because he's dark child, So 0:23:56.240 --> 0:23:58.800 anybody who came over, came through was really for that. 0:23:58.920 --> 0:24:02.119 But we the opportunities were there for us, and I 0:24:02.119 --> 0:24:04.840 always used to think, like because it was a bunch 0:24:04.880 --> 0:24:07.520 of us there like that that building, it was so 0:24:07.520 --> 0:24:10.000 many times of people in there, I felt like we 0:24:10.000 --> 0:24:13.760 were the the X Men of music, but like unknown 0:24:14.080 --> 0:24:18.399 right at right time. But but yeah, it was it 0:24:18.440 --> 0:24:22.320 was just it was just you know, crazy to see 0:24:22.320 --> 0:24:24.760 who would just walk in in the buildings sometimes and 0:24:25.240 --> 0:24:28.439 even the days like when nothing's happening and I you know, 0:24:28.600 --> 0:24:31.560 sneaking like look at his files to see like some 0:24:31.640 --> 0:24:34.000 secret Michael Jackson shit that you know what I'm saying 0:24:34.400 --> 0:24:36.720 that he was working on that never came out or 0:24:37.400 --> 0:24:40.800 et cetera, like, and just being just a fan first 0:24:41.000 --> 0:24:45.080 of him and the music that came out, the music 0:24:45.080 --> 0:24:47.600 that didn't come out. Just being there for certain things, 0:24:48.119 --> 0:24:52.240 just being able to help in any way, you know, 0:24:52.520 --> 0:24:55.200 whether it was something that I was looking for credit 0:24:55.240 --> 0:24:57.359 for or not, you know what I mean. But I 0:24:57.400 --> 0:25:00.360 was really just like a team player, right. But you know, 0:25:00.800 --> 0:25:03.640 just that access was the start of it. 0:25:03.880 --> 0:25:06.760 Do you do you look back now at that as 0:25:07.359 --> 0:25:09.479 in a sense of your college Yes, it was like 0:25:09.560 --> 0:25:11.800 their education into the music business. 0:25:11.880 --> 0:25:12.720 Yeah, definitely. 0:25:12.760 --> 0:25:15.440 I think you and I spoke about this as well earlier, 0:25:15.880 --> 0:25:18.679 where people look at kind of the beginning stages of 0:25:18.720 --> 0:25:23.879 their careers and they glance over it, maybe sometimes in 0:25:23.920 --> 0:25:27.280 not the most positive way. And I tend to feel 0:25:27.320 --> 0:25:31.240 that way with people, or take that from people who 0:25:31.960 --> 0:25:36.280 maybe weren't continuing their success right where they just what 0:25:36.400 --> 0:25:42.440 they're harboring on really the college years. The college years, 0:25:42.520 --> 0:25:44.800 not even you said it was ups and downs, like 0:25:44.800 --> 0:25:47.600 when you're working with people and at that time working 0:25:47.760 --> 0:25:51.439 for someone, right, right, because you have to understand what 0:25:51.520 --> 0:25:53.719 that is too. In this business, A lot of people think, oh, 0:25:53.720 --> 0:25:55.479 I'm working with such and such. No, no, no, right now, 0:25:55.480 --> 0:25:59.760 you're working for sure with It's more of a partnership, 0:26:00.240 --> 0:26:01.919 you know what I mean. But if I'm bringing you in, 0:26:02.000 --> 0:26:06.400 I'm feeding you, I'm all these lights, all this things. Work. 0:26:06.480 --> 0:26:08.440 You work for me, which is not a bad thing. 0:26:09.000 --> 0:26:12.280 It's not bad to work for someone. But I think 0:26:12.359 --> 0:26:17.159 in music these lines of we all did it, yeah, 0:26:17.600 --> 0:26:20.240 which we we did all do it, but someone, someone 0:26:20.359 --> 0:26:22.880 has to get us there. Yeah, someone has to put 0:26:22.920 --> 0:26:26.600 us in front of a Janet Jackson, you know. And 0:26:27.640 --> 0:26:29.800 I look at mine early on, I look at my 0:26:29.840 --> 0:26:32.120 you know, my early early stages of in the music 0:26:32.200 --> 0:26:34.520 business as my college. I didn't go to college, you 0:26:34.600 --> 0:26:36.720 know what I mean. So I'm like, this is this 0:26:36.840 --> 0:26:40.359 was me going to college and paying my dudes and 0:26:40.400 --> 0:26:44.560 getting my degree. I might not have a master's from 0:26:45.320 --> 0:26:49.480 Berkeley School of Music, but I got a master's from 0:26:49.880 --> 0:26:54.520 the Music Industry School of Music. That's exactly how I feel, 0:26:54.680 --> 0:26:57.960 you know what I'm saying. So I just I take 0:26:58.000 --> 0:27:00.240 it for what it is, man, and that time was 0:27:00.280 --> 0:27:05.840 what it was, and you know, hopefully I won't say hopefully. 0:27:05.880 --> 0:27:08.640 I feel like I'm continuing to use things oh yeah, 0:27:08.840 --> 0:27:11.000 that I learned from that time. 0:27:11.119 --> 0:27:11.879 Yeah yeah, yeah. 0:27:11.920 --> 0:27:14.320 So had you done a deal, had you done like 0:27:14.320 --> 0:27:15.680 publishing and all those types of things? 0:27:15.760 --> 0:27:18.560 Yeah, so I was published under him. Okay, so it 0:27:18.600 --> 0:27:20.080 wasn't a production deal, but it was a it was 0:27:20.119 --> 0:27:22.960 a publishing deal. But he basically treated me like one 0:27:23.000 --> 0:27:25.399 of his producers, you know, even though it was just 0:27:25.480 --> 0:27:27.480 published under him, and you know, like took us in 0:27:27.520 --> 0:27:31.840 as a family man he had. There was a few 0:27:31.840 --> 0:27:33.440 of us, and so I writers too at that time. 0:27:33.640 --> 0:27:35.920 So but yeah, it was a pub deal. Yeah, yep, 0:27:36.480 --> 0:27:39.440 that was my first one. And I think we talk 0:27:39.480 --> 0:27:42.879 about checks. I don't think that that definitely was a 0:27:42.880 --> 0:27:46.720 low one. That was a low one. 0:27:46.880 --> 0:27:48.439 Yeah, you wanna tell us a number. 0:27:50.800 --> 0:27:53.040 I can't remember. I do remember. I'll give him this 0:27:53.760 --> 0:27:56.200 one day. He gave me out of nowhere ten thousand 0:27:56.240 --> 0:27:59.919 dollars bonus. If that's or not, I mean it's a 0:28:00.440 --> 0:28:03.040 but I feel like the original price wasn't crazy either, 0:28:03.080 --> 0:28:04.520 but at least it was easy for me recoup. 0:28:04.560 --> 0:28:07.320 I think my first I think my first publishing deal 0:28:07.480 --> 0:28:09.159 was for seventy five. 0:28:10.160 --> 0:28:13.200 I feel like it was around and I got yeah, 0:28:13.240 --> 0:28:15.000 that's yes, Yes. 0:28:16.480 --> 0:28:18.720 I think I got the thirty seven five to kick 0:28:18.760 --> 0:28:22.520 it off. I got my half and then ran through that. 0:28:22.560 --> 0:28:25.159 We're gonna run through that, yep. And I needed like 0:28:25.240 --> 0:28:27.920 another ten or fifteen for equipment. 0:28:28.480 --> 0:28:29.680 Yeah. 0:28:29.720 --> 0:28:34.560 And then I wrote in sink celebrity out of there, 0:28:37.560 --> 0:28:42.200 read negotiation yep. And then the Entyresa liked them girls 0:28:42.280 --> 0:28:46.959 dropped two months later. I'm like, oh, yep, you motherfuckers. 0:28:46.960 --> 0:28:48.400 I'm bad funny you know. 0:28:48.480 --> 0:28:51.000 That was the first that ensing album was the first 0:28:51.160 --> 0:28:53.720 album I've ever purchased with my own money, no shit. 0:28:54.080 --> 0:28:56.040 It was that and Rushan's eighty seven one on one 0:28:56.120 --> 0:28:58.880 eighty seven on one at the same time, Thank you, buddy. 0:28:58.960 --> 0:29:02.240 At the same time, man, you help me get out of. 0:29:02.200 --> 0:29:03.120 My publishing. 0:29:04.600 --> 0:29:05.000 Facts. 0:29:05.400 --> 0:29:08.080 If I hadn't been signed to that publishing deal for 0:29:08.120 --> 0:29:10.840 maybe six months crazy and I got cracking. 0:29:11.040 --> 0:29:13.160 Yeah, yeah, that's great. 0:29:13.360 --> 0:29:15.640 And I was able to, you know, work my magic 0:29:15.720 --> 0:29:18.840 and go get me a bag. Yeah. You killed that, man, 0:29:19.040 --> 0:29:22.560 they killed that. I was like, wait, so they sold 0:29:22.600 --> 0:29:26.800 how many first week? Right? She shit? What point three? 0:29:27.040 --> 0:29:27.240 Right? 0:29:28.000 --> 0:29:34.080 Ah? Thanks in shame? Yeah yeah so no, but I mean, 0:29:34.320 --> 0:29:37.320 you know, but they they published, They got it. They 0:29:37.440 --> 0:29:39.600 were smart enough to do a deal with me early on, 0:29:40.120 --> 0:29:45.000 and they were able to publish this new young writer 0:29:46.440 --> 0:29:49.680 who they got for pennies on the dollar. Worked out 0:29:49.680 --> 0:29:51.719 for everybody, worked out for everybody, worked out for everybody. 0:29:51.720 --> 0:29:53.640 Do you remember what you bought with your publishing money, 0:29:54.000 --> 0:29:57.440 your first your first check with the ten thousand with 0:29:57.440 --> 0:29:57.880 the bonus. 0:29:57.880 --> 0:30:00.160 I bet you it was equipment. I bet you it was. 0:30:00.000 --> 0:30:02.080 He was he was investing. Yeah, I bought a pair 0:30:02.080 --> 0:30:03.480 of jeans, I think, yeah. 0:30:05.320 --> 0:30:06.440 For sure. Yeah. 0:30:06.600 --> 0:30:08.800 I went to the mall, bro and I had uh, 0:30:09.040 --> 0:30:11.160 I had five thousand cash on me. I said, yeah, 0:30:11.200 --> 0:30:12.400 I need I need to feel it. I need to 0:30:12.400 --> 0:30:14.440 feel all it. You know. The heights had a hundred 0:30:14.440 --> 0:30:18.360 to me. And I went to the Beverly Center and 0:30:18.400 --> 0:30:21.200 I couldn't find anything. And I just bought a pair 0:30:21.200 --> 0:30:23.920 of random jeans. I got, I'm buying something something. I 0:30:23.960 --> 0:30:27.720 left them all with probably forty nine hundred and sixty dollars. 0:30:27.960 --> 0:30:30.080 Jeans was cheapest. Fuck right, you know what I mean? 0:30:30.160 --> 0:30:32.840 I was like, I bought something. I bought something. It's 0:30:32.880 --> 0:30:36.760 like some Levi's in nineteen whatever the fuck in the 0:30:36.840 --> 0:30:38.080 nineteen hundreds? Is my kids? 0:30:38.080 --> 0:30:38.560 Go right? Right? 0:30:39.080 --> 0:30:43.520 Dad? You were born in nineteen hundreds, Like, yeah, were over, bro, 0:30:44.640 --> 0:30:47.080 I was born in the nineteen hundreds. Man, right, But 0:30:47.840 --> 0:30:50.800 all right, so now you now you were ridey, you 0:30:50.840 --> 0:30:54.160 got the placement, you got, You're getting a bonus. Yeah, right, 0:30:55.200 --> 0:30:57.600 and you're there for a couple of years. Yeah, at 0:30:57.600 --> 0:31:00.840 what point did you step out on your so when 0:31:00.840 --> 0:31:02.760 I and what was the shift for you where you 0:31:02.800 --> 0:31:04.200 were like, all right, it's time. 0:31:04.760 --> 0:31:07.360 Things just kind of happened. But let's see, I was 0:31:07.360 --> 0:31:09.920 with him from two thousand and five or two thousand 0:31:09.920 --> 0:31:11.880 and six, two thousand and nine. 0:31:12.560 --> 0:31:13.760 Shit changed, Okay. 0:31:14.200 --> 0:31:19.560 I I think I was starting My name was definitely 0:31:19.600 --> 0:31:23.360 going around the industry, and I think people were more 0:31:23.400 --> 0:31:27.680 and more realizing my talent on my own as well. 0:31:28.440 --> 0:31:31.600 So I was starting to get calls directly to me, 0:31:32.360 --> 0:31:33.520 you know, for me, and. 0:31:33.520 --> 0:31:36.720 You weren't signed, yeah, producer anyway, right, so it wasn't 0:31:36.720 --> 0:31:38.680 like you had to go through a product okay, all right, And. 0:31:38.680 --> 0:31:40.640 I already had placements and I already was getting that, 0:31:40.760 --> 0:31:42.480 but it was just like it was starting to level 0:31:42.560 --> 0:31:45.320 up a little bit and like the type of people 0:31:45.360 --> 0:31:50.040 that were seeking out for me. So at that time, 0:31:51.480 --> 0:31:53.400 the one thing I can remember, it was kind of 0:31:53.440 --> 0:31:58.840 like coinciding with my transition and leaving Rodney, I met 0:31:59.400 --> 0:32:03.240 Puff okay, yeah, and he was working on this album 0:32:03.280 --> 0:32:03.600 at the. 0:32:03.560 --> 0:32:05.120 Time, was it the ditty dirty Money Out? 0:32:05.160 --> 0:32:05.760 Thirty Money Out? 0:32:05.800 --> 0:32:06.400 Okay, yep. 0:32:06.920 --> 0:32:09.440 So going back to Joe Thomas again, there was another 0:32:09.480 --> 0:32:13.040 song that I did called Triple Black Room, which was 0:32:13.040 --> 0:32:15.560 also a bonus on this album. 0:32:15.880 --> 0:32:18.360 Joe, why you kept putting my nigga on the bonus? Man? 0:32:18.760 --> 0:32:20.120 I didn't have his first single on that album. 0:32:20.200 --> 0:32:21.760 Well, Tank used to put me on the bonus too, 0:32:21.800 --> 0:32:24.360 bro Like, he asked me to sing on the record. 0:32:24.400 --> 0:32:26.360 I thought I was cracking. Somehow I end up on 0:32:26.400 --> 0:32:27.320 like a target. 0:32:26.960 --> 0:32:30.640 Water right for sure. But I did have the song 0:32:30.680 --> 0:32:32.880 called Emergency that that was his first single, that one, 0:32:33.080 --> 0:32:35.280 that one did what it did, But all the other 0:32:35.320 --> 0:32:38.400 songs I did with Joe were bonuses, and it was 0:32:38.440 --> 0:32:40.360 like it was like target only bonus, So you have 0:32:40.400 --> 0:32:41.960 to go to target, you know what I'm talking about 0:32:42.000 --> 0:32:42.480 that yep. 0:32:42.680 --> 0:32:44.480 I'm telling everybody. I'm like, yeah, you know, I got 0:32:44.480 --> 0:32:47.800 this exactly. I'm featured. Please you know, I mean you 0:32:47.880 --> 0:32:50.520 talk me into singing on the song, right? Yeah, it's 0:32:50.520 --> 0:32:55.640 only a target, I said, only singing target, right? Fine? 0:32:56.040 --> 0:33:00.320 So anyway, somehow Puff heard it okay and had like 0:33:00.360 --> 0:33:03.360 this Prince vibe. It was like the eighties whatever, and 0:33:03.400 --> 0:33:05.080 he was like, whoever did that? I need that guy 0:33:05.120 --> 0:33:09.719 for this album. So I met him, and I remember 0:33:09.760 --> 0:33:13.560 one time one night, he had all of Rodney's camp 0:33:13.640 --> 0:33:16.160 go out there, but already on the side, Puff was 0:33:16.200 --> 0:33:20.640 reaching out directly to me as well and my team 0:33:19.920 --> 0:33:23.239 to work on it. I don't think Rodney knew at 0:33:23.240 --> 0:33:26.400 this time, but whatever the case, we all went there. 0:33:26.400 --> 0:33:28.160 He was playing all the ideas he had At the time, 0:33:28.280 --> 0:33:29.800 I was blown away. I was just like, what the 0:33:29.840 --> 0:33:33.720 hell did I just hear? And I remember going back 0:33:33.720 --> 0:33:37.239 to the studio and just like making tracks from that 0:33:37.360 --> 0:33:39.600 from that point on, like, you know, trying to send 0:33:39.640 --> 0:33:42.760 him some shit. And then he had me come to 0:33:42.840 --> 0:33:48.800 New York at Daddy's house, his studio, and for like 0:33:48.840 --> 0:33:51.120 two three years we were working on that project like 0:33:51.200 --> 0:33:54.120 on and off. Yeah, but you know, like once we 0:33:54.320 --> 0:33:57.840 really got into working on it, I had already moved 0:33:57.880 --> 0:34:00.560 on for Rodney. Okay that point, that was like the 0:34:00.560 --> 0:34:05.320 first main big thing that that you were part of 0:34:05.360 --> 0:34:07.960 me that I was a part of. Outside of that, Yeah. 0:34:07.680 --> 0:34:10.319 Listen, that album, that last Tin of Pairs album is 0:34:10.360 --> 0:34:14.320 actually really dope. Yeah, it's a really really dope album. 0:34:14.840 --> 0:34:19.160 All right, So now when do you get your first 0:34:19.560 --> 0:34:20.240 hit record? 0:34:20.480 --> 0:34:22.799 So Janet was but it was like number nineteen on 0:34:22.800 --> 0:34:27.719 the Hot one hundred and that was like everything to me. 0:34:27.040 --> 0:34:31.359 That was before all of that, But honestly, after that, 0:34:31.440 --> 0:34:34.440 my next one was Leave the Door Open, which went 0:34:34.560 --> 0:34:38.520 number one, which was years later. Wow, Like as far 0:34:38.560 --> 0:34:41.399 as like overall, how U it hit? Yeah? I might 0:34:41.400 --> 0:34:46.040 have had some R and B ones but sort of. 0:34:46.160 --> 0:34:48.680 But Feedback also And when I said, because I know 0:34:48.719 --> 0:34:52.080 Feedback is a hit record, yeah, I'm saying for you. Yeah, 0:34:52.160 --> 0:34:54.600 because Feedback was also a co production for you, right. 0:34:54.920 --> 0:34:56.800 Yes, yeah, yeah it was at least that's what it 0:34:56.840 --> 0:35:00.960 says on it. But yes, but you. 0:35:00.880 --> 0:35:03.760 Get what I'm saying. Where you know where someone's like, okay, 0:35:03.880 --> 0:35:05.680 d Mile did right exactly. 0:35:06.160 --> 0:35:07.840 I guess it depends on how you look at a 0:35:07.920 --> 0:35:10.879 hit because I mean after after I left. I think 0:35:11.000 --> 0:35:14.880 one thing that that really did another transition in my 0:35:14.920 --> 0:35:17.560 life for me was starting to be able to executive 0:35:17.640 --> 0:35:23.239 produce projects. Okay, so the first project I executive produced ever. 0:35:23.560 --> 0:35:29.440 Shout out to Sean Barron. Yeah, man, he's killing everybody 0:35:29.640 --> 0:35:34.000 saying like literally there's like three of us, yea, look 0:35:34.040 --> 0:35:38.440 like all related. But he gave me my first shot 0:35:38.640 --> 0:35:43.200 at executive producing Diggie Simmons' album, his first album, which 0:35:43.400 --> 0:35:43.840 Tank was. 0:35:43.840 --> 0:35:47.640 On he did, uh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that was 0:35:47.840 --> 0:35:50.319 that was my joint. Yeah so you did the whole 0:35:50.400 --> 0:35:50.959 Diggy album. 0:35:51.200 --> 0:35:54.680 Yeah, I did like half the album, Okay, but I 0:35:54.719 --> 0:35:57.880 over you know, I helped oversee everything, you know with everybody, 0:35:58.000 --> 0:36:00.520 And yeah, that was like my first thing. I had 0:36:00.520 --> 0:36:04.200 my engineer mix almost every song, if not every song. 0:36:04.600 --> 0:36:07.960 So yeah, that was like my first real thing. And 0:36:07.960 --> 0:36:11.360 then after that, Sean Brown again introduced me to the 0:36:11.360 --> 0:36:15.480 Tie Dollar Sign where we got to work on the 0:36:15.520 --> 0:36:16.919 Free Free TC album. 0:36:17.120 --> 0:36:19.160 Okay, and I think I thought, I thought, I know 0:36:19.239 --> 0:36:20.560 you did stuff on Beach House. I didn't know you 0:36:20.560 --> 0:36:21.239 did stuff. 0:36:21.000 --> 0:36:23.680 Oh yeah, all yeah, my bad, all the mixtapes and EPs. 0:36:23.719 --> 0:36:23.919 Yeah. 0:36:24.320 --> 0:36:28.240 I was on every project of Ties up until honestly 0:36:28.360 --> 0:36:30.600 his last project. I didn't get to do enough course 0:36:30.600 --> 0:36:33.480 of Kanye stuff, but every other project before that, but 0:36:34.400 --> 0:36:37.120 Free TC, I think was the you know when that 0:36:37.160 --> 0:36:39.560 came out, in the reaction to that, I think that 0:36:39.560 --> 0:36:41.880 that did that did something for me for sure. 0:36:42.160 --> 0:36:44.680 Yeah, so the calls were a little different to that point, 0:36:45.200 --> 0:36:46.920 not me, because I think Ty caught a lot of 0:36:46.920 --> 0:36:50.759 people off guard. Yeah, people didn't know how talented, how 0:36:50.880 --> 0:36:55.919 musical how great yep, tie you know what I mean. 0:36:56.120 --> 0:36:58.799 So obviously being a part of that, I'm sure the 0:36:58.800 --> 0:37:00.799 phone calls were definitely like, oh yeah, yeah, I need 0:37:00.800 --> 0:37:03.560 some of that sauce, because that's that's our business right 0:37:03.560 --> 0:37:07.200 where it's like something jumps off right now, Leon Thomas, 0:37:07.440 --> 0:37:09.279 everybody's trying to figure out how to get to every 0:37:09.360 --> 0:37:13.240 single person that played whatever part yep in that album 0:37:13.280 --> 0:37:17.280 exactly just how it goes. So no, I absolutely understanding 0:37:17.280 --> 0:37:23.120 and get that. Let's get to Bruno how the fuck right? 0:37:23.160 --> 0:37:28.719 Because like listen, music business and music business. Yeah, yes, 0:37:28.800 --> 0:37:31.800 we be knowing each other. Yeah, we come across each other, yep, 0:37:32.360 --> 0:37:36.040 but it don't always turn into we're gonna work together now, 0:37:36.320 --> 0:37:39.080 especially with them and them already having their production team. 0:37:39.160 --> 0:37:40.640 Yeah, exactly exactly. 0:37:41.120 --> 0:37:42.160 How did that work for you? 0:37:42.760 --> 0:37:46.040 So funny enough, I feel like my story in my 0:37:46.080 --> 0:37:51.279 life in music it just had like different phases. So, 0:37:51.400 --> 0:37:53.680 like as I was saying about the time dollar thing, 0:37:53.800 --> 0:37:57.040 how that kind of shifted stuff for me. Another shift, 0:37:57.120 --> 0:37:59.400 and probably the biggest shift that really changed everything for 0:37:59.480 --> 0:38:01.160 me was working with Lucky. 0:38:01.040 --> 0:38:03.200 Day, one of my favorites. 0:38:03.280 --> 0:38:10.160 Yeah, that was at a time when both of us honestly, 0:38:10.480 --> 0:38:13.759 and even my engineer all kind of felt like quitting. Yeah, 0:38:13.800 --> 0:38:16.040 we don't want to do this, you know, like I 0:38:16.080 --> 0:38:17.520 don't know I was gonna go home. I don't know 0:38:17.520 --> 0:38:18.440 what the fuck I was gonna do. 0:38:20.920 --> 0:38:23.040 Yeah, biggie rap song. 0:38:23.840 --> 0:38:25.879 I was just I was definitely at that point where 0:38:25.920 --> 0:38:28.359 I felt like I knew I wasn't going to do it, 0:38:28.880 --> 0:38:31.760 but I was like today, I feel like quittin. And 0:38:32.040 --> 0:38:35.000 I even posted it and everything, but uh, you know 0:38:35.080 --> 0:38:36.719 some people, those guys. 0:38:36.520 --> 0:38:41.120 Yeah, not only hey guys, right, I'm quitting right. 0:38:42.040 --> 0:38:46.879 It was the only time, yeah, right, But anyway, he 0:38:47.000 --> 0:38:49.640 just happened to come to me right around that same time, 0:38:49.719 --> 0:38:52.799 right on time, and he said to me, like lucky 0:38:52.920 --> 0:38:56.040 he sat down with me. It was like, Yo, I 0:38:56.040 --> 0:38:58.080 think I want to do a project, and this is 0:38:58.080 --> 0:39:00.400 gonna be my last attempt and if this work, that 0:39:00.440 --> 0:39:06.200 I'm quitting. Right. So I was just like fuck everything else. 0:39:06.680 --> 0:39:10.160 He's not signed, but I don't care. Let's just like 0:39:10.200 --> 0:39:12.000 he played me like two songs he already had with 0:39:12.040 --> 0:39:16.120 Camper at the time that's on the album, and I 0:39:16.160 --> 0:39:18.680 was like, yeah, let's just work. And we spent like 0:39:19.920 --> 0:39:22.160 maybe months to a year working on that project, and 0:39:22.280 --> 0:39:24.719 it was just us having fun, not giving a funck 0:39:24.760 --> 0:39:28.400 about what anybody else thinks, not caring about how it's 0:39:28.440 --> 0:39:31.040 gonna come out or whatever. Let's just do this for us, 0:39:31.719 --> 0:39:34.719 and let's just see what happens. 0:39:43.640 --> 0:39:46.839 Are you writing and producing for anyone else at the. 0:39:46.800 --> 0:39:49.719 Time, probably on and off, but my main focus was him. 0:39:50.120 --> 0:39:54.239 I had some you know, I had some pub pub money. 0:39:54.239 --> 0:39:55.719 You know, I had by that time, I had a 0:39:55.719 --> 0:39:59.080 publishing deal, like another one that was way more than 0:39:59.080 --> 0:40:01.360 my first. So I was something. 0:40:01.480 --> 0:40:04.520 You brought equipment again, just more equipment. 0:40:04.480 --> 0:40:08.680 Yeah, I mean I bought a bunch of shit equipment cars. Okay, okay, yeah, 0:40:08.719 --> 0:40:09.360 that's I know. 0:40:11.320 --> 0:40:13.279 Yeah, that's how you get your studio. You still ride 0:40:13.320 --> 0:40:14.919 the goddamn bus, all right. 0:40:16.320 --> 0:40:19.560 I had like four BMW's in my life, just back 0:40:19.600 --> 0:40:21.080 to back to back to back, and I'm sure all 0:40:21.120 --> 0:40:23.920 of that was part of that. But yeah, man, we 0:40:24.120 --> 0:40:26.560 started working, working, and then you know, one thing led 0:40:26.600 --> 0:40:29.919 to another and another. He got a deal, shit came out. 0:40:30.280 --> 0:40:32.840 Response was crazy, and that's the painted out, man, And 0:40:32.880 --> 0:40:33.960 that's the painted album. 0:40:34.200 --> 0:40:36.920 Great album. Yeah, you know, ros is one of my 0:40:36.960 --> 0:40:38.080 favorite songs. 0:40:37.760 --> 0:40:40.040 Which was the first I think it was the first 0:40:40.040 --> 0:40:42.160 song we did. Once we decided we were going to 0:40:42.200 --> 0:40:42.760 work on the product. 0:40:43.200 --> 0:40:45.680 Yeah, oh that's great. Yep, yeah, I would have kept working. 0:40:45.880 --> 0:40:52.120 Yeah, exactly right. So what a year later, I was 0:40:52.120 --> 0:40:57.120 twenty nineteen it came out. Yeah, So like the end, 0:40:57.160 --> 0:41:00.560 like August twenty nineteen, I got a call from James 0:41:00.560 --> 0:41:03.399 foonn Lloyd, who I know was on the show That's 0:41:03.400 --> 0:41:09.319 My Guy. He hit me on a Wednesday and he's like, yo, 0:41:09.360 --> 0:41:11.840 what you're doing on Friday. I'm like, I'm not doing that. 0:41:11.880 --> 0:41:14.239 I don't think I'm doing nothing. Bruno wants you to 0:41:14.239 --> 0:41:18.560 come by. He wants to meet you, and I'm like, okay, cool. 0:41:19.880 --> 0:41:23.040 So at this point you never met Bruno. He never. 0:41:23.280 --> 0:41:24.000 I actually had. 0:41:23.920 --> 0:41:28.640 Him once one time. He had an artist that you 0:41:28.640 --> 0:41:30.480 know at the time that he was trying to He 0:41:30.520 --> 0:41:33.279 was trying to do the exact thing. Yeah, it didn't 0:41:33.320 --> 0:41:36.000 work out, but I was working with her and he 0:41:36.040 --> 0:41:37.440 came in the room and kind of helped us with 0:41:37.440 --> 0:41:39.319 a little bit. He doesn't remember this. So I met 0:41:39.400 --> 0:41:42.360 him that one time, and I remember going in the studio. 0:41:42.360 --> 0:41:43.799 I was on the phone with my partner brother Sean. 0:41:43.840 --> 0:41:46.440 I'm like, yeah, I'm supposed to be working with Bruno, 0:41:46.480 --> 0:41:49.160 got this artist name blah blah blah, and then I 0:41:49.160 --> 0:41:53.480 look up and he's sitting there like, oh shit, So 0:41:53.560 --> 0:41:56.480 that was funny. But so yeah, that was that was 0:41:56.520 --> 0:42:00.120 like a quick meet, but because the real meat was James. 0:42:00.239 --> 0:42:03.920 Yeah, wrote on the twenty four car Magic and no 0:42:03.960 --> 0:42:05.480 but no, no, no, no, no, I know that. Oh yeah, 0:42:05.480 --> 0:42:09.520 but he wrote on the Last Train of Paris record. Yes, okay, 0:42:09.680 --> 0:42:12.200 so now yeah, yeah, I'll put it all together, yep, okay, 0:42:12.280 --> 0:42:14.799 from when he was working with Justin and they're doing 0:42:15.920 --> 0:42:19.160 what would they they were the Wise Yes, okay, yeah, yeah. 0:42:19.160 --> 0:42:21.839 So I've known him since Rodney days, like I've as 0:42:21.880 --> 0:42:23.120 soon as we moved out here. He was like one 0:42:23.160 --> 0:42:24.720 of the first people I met, follower. 0:42:24.880 --> 0:42:25.120 Yeah. 0:42:25.239 --> 0:42:25.759 Yeah. 0:42:25.960 --> 0:42:29.919 So now he's making a phone call to you. Yeah, Bruno, want. 0:42:29.840 --> 0:42:32.440 To high at you, right, and we're getting the studio. 0:42:32.920 --> 0:42:35.640 We're talking, he's You're feeling me out. We're just talking 0:42:35.800 --> 0:42:37.640 like he's asking how how do I work and all 0:42:37.680 --> 0:42:41.160 that stuff. I remember telling him like I'm pretty much open, 0:42:42.120 --> 0:42:45.479 you know, whatever you need. And the first thing we 0:42:46.200 --> 0:42:50.920 start working on, honestly, is a version of leave the 0:42:50.960 --> 0:42:53.960 Door Open. It was called something completely different. That was 0:42:54.000 --> 0:42:56.759 the first thing was it was a completely different. 0:42:56.520 --> 0:42:58.440 I know what I'm going to do when I come 0:42:58.480 --> 0:43:01.839 to your studio. Actually, since I'm here today, I'm going 0:43:02.040 --> 0:43:04.839 to say, Hey, what is the first thing you've done? 0:43:04.920 --> 0:43:05.160 Yeah? 0:43:05.960 --> 0:43:09.960 Play that for me, right, because it's something to that. 0:43:10.040 --> 0:43:13.360 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean he man, he's a genius 0:43:13.360 --> 0:43:16.440 first off, yessay. So he already had the idea for 0:43:16.480 --> 0:43:19.239 the concept and he was just playing around with kind 0:43:19.239 --> 0:43:21.080 of the world of where he wanted it to go. 0:43:21.920 --> 0:43:24.359 So that version nobody will ever hear. But that was 0:43:24.440 --> 0:43:26.680 literally the first thing we worked on. It wasn't like 0:43:26.719 --> 0:43:29.680 I had a track and we were working on that. 0:43:30.200 --> 0:43:33.279 We built something from scratch and it was built off 0:43:33.280 --> 0:43:35.200 of whatever idea he kind of was having at the time. 0:43:36.000 --> 0:43:39.799 Was it intended for Sokonic? 0:43:40.040 --> 0:43:42.719 No, At that time, none of us knew what it 0:43:42.760 --> 0:43:45.360 was like he was writing. Yeah, he was just writing, 0:43:45.600 --> 0:43:47.959 you know. I mean that's kind of how he works. 0:43:47.960 --> 0:43:51.640 He'll start writing and then try to find the world 0:43:51.719 --> 0:43:54.560 in the process, and then once he has that Eureka moment, 0:43:54.600 --> 0:43:56.239 he's like, Okay, now I know what we need to do. 0:43:57.000 --> 0:43:58.880 So at that time, he didn't know what he was 0:43:58.880 --> 0:44:01.200 trying to do. Just knew he was trying to work 0:44:01.239 --> 0:44:03.920 on another project, and then we actually were working on 0:44:03.960 --> 0:44:07.719 something else on the side at that time, so we 0:44:07.840 --> 0:44:10.200 kind of had like two different focuses. And then the 0:44:10.239 --> 0:44:15.560 pandemic happened and everything slowed down, so that kind of 0:44:16.280 --> 0:44:19.600 changed that exactly. That kind of fucked up that side thing. 0:44:20.160 --> 0:44:25.239 But you know, we went back to leave the door open. 0:44:25.360 --> 0:44:28.200 We actually did smoking out the window before the pandemic happened, 0:44:28.480 --> 0:44:31.560 and that was kind of what birth the idea of 0:44:32.040 --> 0:44:33.160 the group of the group. 0:44:34.080 --> 0:44:39.560 Yeah, yeah, smash yeah, smashes. 0:44:39.719 --> 0:44:40.439 Yeah. 0:44:40.520 --> 0:44:41.600 What did that feel like? 0:44:42.680 --> 0:44:45.399 Oh man, when it came out or just to. 0:44:45.680 --> 0:44:48.759 When it hit number one, kind of high one on it. 0:44:49.400 --> 0:44:53.239 Man, I remember ship. I think of debut number two, 0:44:53.280 --> 0:44:54.920 and that was great for me already. I was just like, 0:44:56.280 --> 0:44:59.040 I think so like, I think Drake was the only 0:44:59.080 --> 0:45:01.839 person in our way to get it. I did bro 0:45:02.480 --> 0:45:04.600 I can look back and make sure, but I think right. 0:45:04.680 --> 0:45:08.160 But but when we finally hit it, I was just like, Wow, 0:45:08.200 --> 0:45:10.720 I finally did it. And it's not that I was trying, 0:45:11.400 --> 0:45:14.960 you know, all this time, all these years, but when 0:45:14.960 --> 0:45:18.080 it happened, it was like wow, and. 0:45:18.360 --> 0:45:19.920 You're fifteen years in at this point. 0:45:20.000 --> 0:45:25.160 Yeah, something like that, right, Yeah, And I I was 0:45:25.200 --> 0:45:29.080 actually mostly surprised at something being something that musical going 0:45:29.160 --> 0:45:29.800 up that crazy. 0:45:29.880 --> 0:45:35.880 Yeah. Now, I had a conversation with philil Burns about 0:45:36.000 --> 0:45:43.680 what we have been able to do as black creatives 0:45:44.680 --> 0:45:48.359 with Bruno. Yeah, like our people, you know what I mean, 0:45:48.480 --> 0:45:54.080 And because I'm very honest about what music is and 0:45:54.120 --> 0:45:59.640 what music looks like, right, And I don't know if 0:45:59.680 --> 0:46:03.759 it were in the same space if he's black, right, 0:46:04.440 --> 0:46:06.480 I'm just very honest about that, you know what I mean. 0:46:06.880 --> 0:46:09.560 And I'm very appreciative of the people who get to 0:46:09.640 --> 0:46:14.080 work with Bruno and get that off and be musical 0:46:14.640 --> 0:46:19.400 because I've worked with artists black artists who have taken 0:46:19.440 --> 0:46:24.480 those same type of shots and it's like, yeah, yeah, 0:46:26.120 --> 0:46:28.520 this feel old or this feel, this are this feel 0:46:28.560 --> 0:46:30.880 and it's a lot of other excuses other than it's great. 0:46:31.000 --> 0:46:34.239 Yeah, for sure, I get that, you know what I mean. 0:46:34.320 --> 0:46:38.359 And the fact that Bruno makes sure he taps in 0:46:39.480 --> 0:46:42.600 and all of y'all that are part of it are 0:46:42.800 --> 0:46:47.000 fucking amazing, bro, And I appreciate that, Like you're my friend, 0:46:47.520 --> 0:46:50.799 but I'm a fan of what you do, Like you're 0:46:50.920 --> 0:46:57.200 incredible Bro, Philip Lawrence is incredible. Brody is incredible. James 0:46:57.200 --> 0:47:00.560 follower in like going down the line a bro like 0:47:02.440 --> 0:47:11.120 the music you guys create, it's timeless. Bruno is a vessel. Yeah, definitely, 0:47:11.440 --> 0:47:12.040 you know what I'm saying. 0:47:12.160 --> 0:47:15.160 Definitely, And he studies, man, he studies. 0:47:15.480 --> 0:47:19.560 It's clear. Yeah, it's clear. And like I said, Bro, 0:47:19.760 --> 0:47:23.360 I'm from the outside of it looking in, I'm just 0:47:23.400 --> 0:47:25.680 appreciative that y'all get to get that off. 0:47:26.200 --> 0:47:30.239 Yeah, exactly, making at him crazy, like you sure when 0:47:30.280 --> 0:47:31.680 that ship came out, I was just like. 0:47:31.760 --> 0:47:35.160 And he probably like, why not? It should be that way. 0:47:35.680 --> 0:47:39.040 It should be that way, it should be why not? Right? 0:47:39.080 --> 0:47:41.120 But obviously we got our color lines, we got the 0:47:41.120 --> 0:47:44.759 ship that we deal with within music. Same thing with 0:47:45.160 --> 0:47:50.000 Justin Timberlay. You know what I mean, Bro, it's my dog, 0:47:51.280 --> 0:47:56.160 it's my white nigga out o that man, that's just Jake, 0:47:56.280 --> 0:48:00.680 that's my white nigga. So I understand. Yeah, and I 0:48:00.719 --> 0:48:03.000 get to see it up close, and like I said, 0:48:03.000 --> 0:48:06.320 even from the sidelines of it, I'm super appreciative because 0:48:07.239 --> 0:48:11.440 it's just great music. It's great music. It's it's family friendly, 0:48:12.040 --> 0:48:14.360 you know, it's it's it's it gets risky at some points. 0:48:14.600 --> 0:48:17.360 I mean, we'll get to that risk it all work place. 0:48:17.480 --> 0:48:19.920 What I'm doing here, I can play the music with 0:48:20.040 --> 0:48:21.799 my whole family in the car too, you know what 0:48:21.800 --> 0:48:24.439 I mean. And that means something to me as well. Yeah, 0:48:24.719 --> 0:48:27.439 definitely all right, So so yeah, yeah, let's we're gonna 0:48:27.440 --> 0:48:29.520 We're gonna get're gonna get back on track. Though. So 0:48:29.600 --> 0:48:31.959 now you got these high one hundred number one hits, 0:48:33.000 --> 0:48:36.080 you're going crazy. Then you say, I'm a tap in 0:48:36.120 --> 0:48:38.960 with my partner from a dark Shaw Days, I'm a 0:48:39.000 --> 0:48:42.239 tap in with Victoria. That marriage that y'all have is 0:48:42.280 --> 0:48:46.160 so special. Yeah, and once again from the sideline. I've 0:48:46.200 --> 0:48:52.120 watched it because I never forget. Ghazi, who I grew 0:48:52.200 --> 0:48:55.319 up with in the Bay, caused me one day and 0:48:55.320 --> 0:48:58.400 he says, I need you to meet with this artist. 0:48:58.600 --> 0:49:01.360 And I was like, what's her name? He's like, uh, 0:49:02.000 --> 0:49:04.640 Victoria Monam Like I think I think I you know. 0:49:04.680 --> 0:49:07.359 I was like, I think I heard of her, and 0:49:07.480 --> 0:49:10.200 me and her hop on the phone and we're like, 0:49:10.200 --> 0:49:12.919 all right, we're gonna go lunch. We go to lunch 0:49:12.960 --> 0:49:15.120 and I look at her and I go, I know 0:49:15.239 --> 0:49:19.399 you and she was like, yes, I know you right. 0:49:19.920 --> 0:49:23.600 It's like, but that wasn't your name, right, But I'm trying, 0:49:23.680 --> 0:49:26.359 you know how, He's trying to figure it out. She goes, No, 0:49:27.160 --> 0:49:30.920 I sang for you signed a dark shout in the group, 0:49:31.320 --> 0:49:35.160 and I go, you're the girl that I pulled riding 0:49:35.200 --> 0:49:39.680 to the side and said her. Wow, everything I love. 0:49:40.000 --> 0:49:42.440 I feel like I might have heard this too, I. 0:49:42.440 --> 0:49:47.080 Literally said, because I don't know Roddy had just called me. 0:49:47.360 --> 0:49:49.640 I think I did for something. And y'all it was 0:49:49.680 --> 0:49:51.600 the studio right there off of the one on one 0:49:52.120 --> 0:49:56.759 Meryl Roses or whatever that is over there, and I 0:49:56.800 --> 0:49:59.320 think I think that that was Dimitri Expensive Studio. 0:50:00.040 --> 0:50:00.560 I can tell. 0:50:00.760 --> 0:50:04.440 Yeah, yeah, I think that was Demetri Studio. And they 0:50:04.480 --> 0:50:06.080 sang for me and they were from they were from 0:50:06.160 --> 0:50:09.560 Sack yeah, and obviously I'm from San Francisco. So was 0:50:09.600 --> 0:50:13.040 it that whole you know how she starts Ye, it's 0:50:13.040 --> 0:50:16.200 like it starts formulating as we're sitting there having lunch, 0:50:16.560 --> 0:50:20.320 and I'm like, oh, yeah, you've been special. 0:50:20.440 --> 0:50:20.680 YEP. 0:50:21.440 --> 0:50:25.560 It's like, yes, you've been special, Yeah, definitely. And you know, 0:50:25.680 --> 0:50:28.320 I ended up finding out, you know, y'all was working 0:50:28.360 --> 0:50:31.000 together because i'd heard your name and I'm like, oh, 0:50:31.000 --> 0:50:34.520 this is crazy. Was it just a conversation because y'all 0:50:34.520 --> 0:50:35.480 were already homies. 0:50:35.880 --> 0:50:38.799 Yeah, so, I mean a lot of people don't know. 0:50:39.360 --> 0:50:42.680 And I might have said this somewhere, but she used 0:50:42.719 --> 0:50:45.200 to live with me, so ship, yeah. 0:50:45.080 --> 0:50:48.000 Okay, the music business, like, hey man, that needs some 0:50:48.040 --> 0:50:48.560 where to stay. 0:50:48.640 --> 0:50:50.880 So and it's so funny because this was after I left, 0:50:51.160 --> 0:50:56.120 like the Rodney situation. And we had an apartment in 0:50:56.160 --> 0:50:57.400 North Hollywood. 0:50:57.480 --> 0:51:02.719 Neither one of y'all live in apartments no more, yes, boy. 0:51:02.280 --> 0:51:04.759 But we had an apartment apartment two eleven was that 0:51:04.880 --> 0:51:05.840 was our apartment number. 0:51:06.000 --> 0:51:09.560 But it's like armed robbery. That's two eleven is an 0:51:09.640 --> 0:51:12.279 arm robbery, you know, that's for that. 0:51:12.360 --> 0:51:15.760 I'm like, maybe I should go with a different high number, 0:51:15.760 --> 0:51:18.560 but that was That's what it is, right. So, but 0:51:18.560 --> 0:51:20.080 it was three of us. It was a three bedroom, 0:51:20.120 --> 0:51:22.160 so it was three of us. We were all with 0:51:22.320 --> 0:51:26.160 Dark Child. One of us was engineer, another one was 0:51:26.160 --> 0:51:27.319 a producer, and then of course me. 0:51:27.680 --> 0:51:29.000 But I had just left. 0:51:29.200 --> 0:51:33.760 So how I met Vic was I had a friend 0:51:33.960 --> 0:51:38.400 that I went to high school with named LaToya, and 0:51:38.440 --> 0:51:41.160 she was dope saying I used I'm such a fan 0:51:41.239 --> 0:51:43.160 to this damn slill fan. She's so dope, like she 0:51:44.040 --> 0:51:47.319 you know, but she called me telling me that, Yo, 0:51:47.640 --> 0:51:50.200 she has an opportunity to be in this group with 0:51:50.719 --> 0:51:54.160 Dark Child. You know, he's forming a group the groups 0:51:54.160 --> 0:51:57.960 called Purple Rain. So she asked, because she's from New York, 0:51:58.760 --> 0:52:03.279 to be able to stay by us while she's like 0:52:03.560 --> 0:52:06.880 doing the auditioning or whatever they were doing. So I 0:52:06.920 --> 0:52:08.480 was like, yeah, you know, I made sure all my 0:52:08.640 --> 0:52:12.640 boys was cool with it, and she came, and somehow 0:52:12.880 --> 0:52:16.520 it turned into all three of them coming and staying. 0:52:16.760 --> 0:52:19.920 So Vic was one of them. Oh shit, Yeah. And 0:52:20.040 --> 0:52:22.759 they were there for like maybe a year or two, 0:52:23.280 --> 0:52:25.920 maybe a year before they found their own place and 0:52:26.120 --> 0:52:29.040 and all that stuff. But they were heavily working with 0:52:29.040 --> 0:52:32.040 with Rodney. So that's how me and Vic met. And 0:52:32.239 --> 0:52:36.160 you know that that group didn't work out, you know, 0:52:36.239 --> 0:52:40.360 things happened, but me and Vic just kept that relationship. 0:52:40.640 --> 0:52:42.120 Stay locked in, stay locked in. 0:52:42.400 --> 0:52:44.800 And that's the thing. I think. Everybody's not meant to 0:52:44.800 --> 0:52:47.400 be in a group, right right right. It wasn't that 0:52:47.400 --> 0:52:50.600 the group wasn't good, because I remember them, they were dope. 0:52:51.400 --> 0:52:54.120 She just seemed to be a solo artist to me. 0:52:54.239 --> 0:52:55.480 Yeah, yeah, no, I get it. 0:52:55.920 --> 0:52:57.920 You know what I means me, I get it. So 0:52:59.040 --> 0:53:01.880 been this business alone. I see so many artists, I 0:53:01.920 --> 0:53:04.759 see so many producers, see so many writers. Yeah, and 0:53:04.760 --> 0:53:07.200 I just my opinion is my opinion. Yeah, and but 0:53:07.280 --> 0:53:09.719 I trust it. Yeah, you know like I'm one of 0:53:09.760 --> 0:53:13.000 those people too though that I trust my opinion. Yeah, 0:53:13.080 --> 0:53:15.440 right or wrong. You might tap me five years from 0:53:15.440 --> 0:53:19.399 I'd be like, yeah, you said I did that. 0:53:19.840 --> 0:53:20.640 Yeah, I get it. 0:53:20.680 --> 0:53:22.560 I thought that shit was go crack. Ye I guess 0:53:22.600 --> 0:53:25.520 he didn't. Yeah, but I trust my opinion in what 0:53:26.040 --> 0:53:31.320 I see in Victoria Monett. Yeah, many like that girl. 0:53:31.440 --> 0:53:33.960 Yeah, she's another one, like anything that she ever put out, 0:53:34.120 --> 0:53:37.319 even from back the mixtapes, the EPs, I was in 0:53:37.360 --> 0:53:39.759 one way, shape or another part of it. Yeah, and 0:53:39.800 --> 0:53:42.600 then it just grew and it turned into like you know, 0:53:42.640 --> 0:53:46.440 the Jaguar album, me executive producing that and you know, 0:53:46.880 --> 0:53:49.520 or being a big part of that up until the day, 0:53:49.560 --> 0:53:52.440 like she will always work together. That's how I look 0:53:52.480 --> 0:53:53.359 at it. Yeah, for sure. 0:53:53.640 --> 0:53:57.040 Did that success feel different for you because it was 0:53:57.520 --> 0:54:00.880 ground up and somebody you were in the trenches with. 0:54:01.080 --> 0:54:05.879 Yeah, I was so proud when she won those Grammys. Yeah, 0:54:06.160 --> 0:54:06.640 so proud. 0:54:06.719 --> 0:54:08.799 I think we all were. Yeah, I mean obviously you 0:54:08.840 --> 0:54:12.879 were a part of it. But I think the community literally, right, 0:54:12.920 --> 0:54:18.600 we have we have certain artists that all of us 0:54:18.680 --> 0:54:21.719 have championed. This is Leon Thomas. I go back to 0:54:21.760 --> 0:54:27.360 that where people are just like, yes, yeah, Caliney getting 0:54:27.360 --> 0:54:31.680 a record like Folded, Yeah, yes, yeah right. Because this 0:54:31.920 --> 0:54:36.120 process that we go through within the music business, this 0:54:36.760 --> 0:54:43.000 overnight success of ten, fifteen, sometimes twenty years till you 0:54:43.080 --> 0:54:45.960 get your chance to be who you're supposed to be 0:54:46.000 --> 0:54:49.479 in the game and you didn't quit. People celebrate that. Yes, 0:54:49.760 --> 0:54:51.520 I know, I do. You know what I'm saying, I 0:54:51.600 --> 0:54:54.560 absolutely do. I know Tank does Army money. That's what 0:54:54.560 --> 0:54:57.719 we're about. We love to see Hey man, you know 0:54:57.760 --> 0:55:02.120 that was such and such from Yeah, that's domind Darius 0:55:02.120 --> 0:55:07.080 that got the the Residuals record exactly. You know what 0:55:07.120 --> 0:55:10.480 I'm saying. So I think that is that's something that 0:55:10.480 --> 0:55:13.560 that it's really cool to watch. 0:55:13.719 --> 0:55:15.879 Yeah, I think it's important for people to know too. 0:55:16.080 --> 0:55:19.279 That's what I appreciate you doing this. I appreciate I 0:55:19.280 --> 0:55:22.120 appreciate you calling me. Yeah, it's been a minute, even 0:55:22.320 --> 0:55:22.920 on my line. 0:55:22.960 --> 0:55:26.440 But because once again, bro, if I rock with you. 0:55:26.480 --> 0:55:28.680 I rock with you. Man, there is no and I 0:55:28.680 --> 0:55:30.600 don't I don't care number ones are not. 0:55:30.840 --> 0:55:31.320 Yeah. 0:55:31.520 --> 0:55:33.080 If I rock with you, I rock with you. This 0:55:33.200 --> 0:55:37.840 show for me is a labor of love, yes, flat 0:55:37.840 --> 0:55:41.160 out you know what I mean. For our company, Like, 0:55:41.640 --> 0:55:44.759 we created this so that we could put a spotlight 0:55:44.880 --> 0:55:49.879 on our people in a positive way and be informative 0:55:49.960 --> 0:55:53.560 so people could understand the process how this goes. No, 0:55:53.719 --> 0:55:57.640 this is not overnight success for sure, you know what 0:55:57.640 --> 0:56:00.719 I mean. It took years to get the Jaguar, for 0:56:00.760 --> 0:56:03.520 her to have that moment, for her to curate it 0:56:03.520 --> 0:56:06.319 the way she did, and to do it with somebody 0:56:06.960 --> 0:56:10.720 who she had been locked in with for years literally 0:56:10.760 --> 0:56:11.320 a roommate. 0:56:11.480 --> 0:56:11.760 Yep. 0:56:12.000 --> 0:56:15.080 Literally that got to be celebrated. Yeah, it has to 0:56:15.120 --> 0:56:17.759 be celebrated, bro. So you know that's why for me, 0:56:19.120 --> 0:56:21.040 I'm with all this. Yeah, you know, I want to 0:56:21.040 --> 0:56:23.960 have these conversations and I want to talk to the 0:56:24.040 --> 0:56:27.600 people that really create this ship that we love and 0:56:27.640 --> 0:56:30.120 that we breathe and that we're part of. How many 0:56:30.120 --> 0:56:31.200 Grammys did y'all win on that? 0:56:31.440 --> 0:56:34.919 She won three? I got one that year? 0:56:35.160 --> 0:56:40.280 Okay, Yeah, he is a producer, Guys, he gonna floss 0:56:40.280 --> 0:56:41.800 a little bit, might not wear a lot of jewelry. 0:56:43.440 --> 0:56:44.840 He got hardware right. 0:56:44.719 --> 0:56:47.920 Right, But for R and B albums, So I was 0:56:47.960 --> 0:56:48.879 able to get that. 0:56:49.960 --> 0:56:55.719 For that and then from Silk Sonic Ye three that year, 0:56:56.200 --> 0:56:56.880 that year. 0:56:58.280 --> 0:57:01.320 Three that year Record of the Year, and then R 0:57:01.360 --> 0:57:02.160 and B album again. 0:57:11.480 --> 0:57:15.400 So bro, song of the Year. Yeah, that's such a 0:57:15.680 --> 0:57:22.160 special trophy. Like people, they everybody get caught up in 0:57:22.240 --> 0:57:26.600 a lot of other things. There's so many songs. 0:57:26.280 --> 0:57:27.040 So many songs. 0:57:27.080 --> 0:57:30.800 Yeah, that is the trophy. Yeah, in my opinion, maybe 0:57:30.800 --> 0:57:32.800 because I'm a songwriter and I just you know, I 0:57:33.440 --> 0:57:37.280 look at it that way. But that's the trophy. Yeah, 0:57:37.520 --> 0:57:41.280 one song that means I had the best song this year. 0:57:41.720 --> 0:57:44.760 Whatever y'all could argue. Niggas be hating on the Grammys, 0:57:44.840 --> 0:57:47.840 niggas hating on everything. Yeah, right, I had the best 0:57:47.840 --> 0:57:51.960 song this year. Bro? Did you cry? 0:57:52.200 --> 0:57:52.600 Almost? 0:57:52.960 --> 0:57:55.080 Come on, Donald, you can shed a thud tier bro? 0:57:55.480 --> 0:57:59.600 No, yeah, I know. But the reason why I cried 0:57:59.600 --> 0:58:03.000 when we want and that was because literally days before 0:58:03.040 --> 0:58:07.600 my mom passed away. Yeah, so I dedicated it to her. 0:58:07.720 --> 0:58:10.560 I choked a little bit, and then I was like, 0:58:10.560 --> 0:58:12.120 all right, I know, I know they'd be quick with 0:58:12.160 --> 0:58:13.760 the with the timers. So I'm like, let me just 0:58:14.120 --> 0:58:16.240 say this is for her and move on. And I 0:58:16.520 --> 0:58:21.080 I appreciate Bruno because I think he didn't realize. He 0:58:21.120 --> 0:58:22.640 didn't know for sure that I was there. So when 0:58:22.680 --> 0:58:24.200 I when he saw me come up, He's like, I 0:58:24.240 --> 0:58:26.080 think they had a whole bit and an idea that 0:58:26.120 --> 0:58:28.520 they were gonna do if they won, which they did, 0:58:28.840 --> 0:58:31.560 but when he saw me, he just like, now, fuck that, 0:58:31.640 --> 0:58:34.120 say something for your mom. He literally said that. 0:58:34.240 --> 0:58:36.200 I was like, Ship, I didn't know this was gonna happen. 0:58:36.400 --> 0:58:41.520 Gave me yeah, saying yeah, man. So yeah, he's a 0:58:41.600 --> 0:58:42.160 real one for that. 0:58:42.200 --> 0:58:45.720 Bro always man, that's my guy forever. So you know, 0:58:46.360 --> 0:58:49.360 it was short and sweet, but but it didn't come out, 0:58:49.360 --> 0:58:50.000 but it was about to. 0:58:50.200 --> 0:58:55.360 But yeah, yeah no bro that yeah, and then yeah 0:58:55.400 --> 0:59:00.320 it's not over. Actually it's actually just starting. You got 0:59:00.360 --> 0:59:03.680 a fucking Oscar. Yes, you know who we call it? 0:59:04.280 --> 0:59:10.040 Forgetting that? Goodoyd calls me old Mark Cuba good right, 0:59:13.440 --> 0:59:14.120 Oscar Bro. 0:59:14.280 --> 0:59:16.400 Crazy Finoid calls me Oscar to this day. 0:59:16.960 --> 0:59:19.040 Yeah, what did I say when I walked in here? 0:59:19.280 --> 0:59:21.480 Where's the Oscar I left at home? Yeah? 0:59:23.600 --> 0:59:24.160 Is that the villa? 0:59:24.400 --> 0:59:24.520 Right? 0:59:25.760 --> 0:59:29.560 It's just there, right, bro, that one was crazy? 0:59:29.600 --> 0:59:30.680 Did you ever imagine? 0:59:30.800 --> 0:59:31.200 Not at all? 0:59:31.400 --> 0:59:33.960 See, because I said ship right, we get in this 0:59:34.080 --> 0:59:36.440 to win a Grammy. Yeah, we get it to win 0:59:36.520 --> 0:59:38.720 a Grammy. All the rest of the thing. Niggas start 0:59:38.720 --> 0:59:44.400 winning Emmys, they start winning Oscars. Actually, so you the 0:59:44.920 --> 0:59:49.320 third Oscar winner, I know, brilliant? Yeah, man, you Jamie 0:59:49.320 --> 0:59:52.040 and Michael b Oh, yeah, crazy. I don't think. I 0:59:52.080 --> 0:59:53.320 don't think. I know no other ones. 0:59:53.520 --> 0:59:57.160 I might, yeah, I don't think so though you know 0:59:57.280 --> 0:59:58.240 John Patis. 0:59:58.000 --> 1:00:04.600 Yet I don't don't. I don't know Jobatz. Amazing, amazing, Yeah, absolutely, 1:00:04.600 --> 1:00:08.920 I wanted John's pull up, bring the Oscar, bring the Oscar. 1:00:09.040 --> 1:00:09.680 But yeah, I want that. 1:00:09.760 --> 1:00:10.400 I mean, you know her? 1:00:11.240 --> 1:00:14.000 I don't you know her in passing? So she's a 1:00:14.080 --> 1:00:16.520 lot younger than me. Sure, she's from the Bay Area 1:00:16.600 --> 1:00:20.240 obviously as well, but she's a lot younger than me. 1:00:20.320 --> 1:00:23.400 And I had only heard of her years earlier as 1:00:23.520 --> 1:00:29.400 Gabby right, yep, I didn't even know yeah her? Yeah literally, 1:00:29.760 --> 1:00:32.240 So no, I don't know her. I don't know her 1:00:32.240 --> 1:00:33.880 all right, So I think I might have met her 1:00:33.920 --> 1:00:37.000 in passing once, got it, But we don't know each other. Yeah, yeah, 1:00:37.200 --> 1:00:41.960 amazing incredible. Yeah, how how does that transpire? Man? 1:00:42.240 --> 1:00:46.320 I was in the middle of working with Bruno, I 1:00:46.440 --> 1:00:48.919 think on Yeah, it was on the sound album, still 1:00:49.240 --> 1:00:52.120 figuring that whole thing out, and one day I get 1:00:52.160 --> 1:00:55.320 a call they asked me to come and help her 1:00:55.440 --> 1:00:58.240 with like she has this this movie that she has 1:00:58.280 --> 1:00:59.880 to do a song for, and it was Judas is 1:00:59.920 --> 1:01:02.720 the Black Maside. So I'm like, all right, I'm supposed 1:01:02.760 --> 1:01:04.400 to be working, but let me see if I can 1:01:04.440 --> 1:01:06.760 get out or maybe it was like a day that 1:01:06.840 --> 1:01:08.600 I was off from Brunos. I was able to go, 1:01:10.720 --> 1:01:12.920 so I went and pulled up on them. We got 1:01:13.000 --> 1:01:14.640 to watch, like they sent us the movie before it 1:01:14.640 --> 1:01:16.360 the Room came out, we got to watch it. We 1:01:16.440 --> 1:01:19.360 had popcorn and all that shit, watched it from beginning 1:01:19.400 --> 1:01:24.000 to end, and we were like kind of blown away 1:01:24.040 --> 1:01:26.600 with them with the movie and what the story was. 1:01:26.720 --> 1:01:29.880 And then right after we're like, all right, let's let's 1:01:29.920 --> 1:01:31.920 try to do some shit, and I'm like, how am I? 1:01:32.680 --> 1:01:34.360 How are we going to do anything? Because they were 1:01:34.440 --> 1:01:37.960 asking for something that was like more uplifting and more upbeat. Yeah, 1:01:37.960 --> 1:01:39.720 the movie is so sad, especially how it ends and 1:01:39.760 --> 1:01:41.880 all this stuff. So I'm like I am not in 1:01:42.040 --> 1:01:44.800 that mood of being able to do this, so I'm 1:01:44.880 --> 1:01:49.120 kind of like leaning on ga, leaning on Gabby to 1:01:49.200 --> 1:01:53.440 see what she what she's feeling, seeing what Tiarra's feeling. 1:01:54.160 --> 1:01:57.000 And then she picks up a base and just starts 1:01:57.080 --> 1:02:01.520 mudling around with something, and I'm like, that sounds cool 1:02:02.640 --> 1:02:04.240 that she puts the base down and goes to use 1:02:04.280 --> 1:02:06.240 the bathroom. I pick up the base and I don't 1:02:06.280 --> 1:02:08.640 think I played exactly what she played, but it still 1:02:08.720 --> 1:02:12.040 sparked the whole thing. By the time she came back, 1:02:13.200 --> 1:02:18.000 we you know, we had us exactly. We had a 1:02:18.120 --> 1:02:19.800 track that she was like, oh yeah, I like this, 1:02:19.960 --> 1:02:22.640 and then you know, her and Tier started writing to it, 1:02:23.360 --> 1:02:27.840 but it was late, so we got we got I 1:02:27.960 --> 1:02:31.320 feel like maybe we got to writing a hook or 1:02:31.360 --> 1:02:34.200 something like that. Then we just called her a night. 1:02:34.320 --> 1:02:36.080 It was like, we'll come back to it tomorrow. But 1:02:36.120 --> 1:02:38.360 I couldn't come back the next day, so I left 1:02:38.400 --> 1:02:40.000 them with the track. They finished right into it the 1:02:40.040 --> 1:02:43.240 next day and sent me it over and then I 1:02:43.280 --> 1:02:47.800 did some post production, sent it back. They sent it 1:02:47.880 --> 1:02:50.480 to the movie people. They loved it the whole time. 1:02:50.480 --> 1:02:52.320 I'm not thinking, no, no Oscar is going to come 1:02:52.320 --> 1:02:54.040 out of this or anything. I'm just like, I just 1:02:54.080 --> 1:02:58.919 wanted to help her. And next thing, you know, shit 1:02:59.000 --> 1:03:01.240 comes out and it was the pandemic. So like you 1:03:01.560 --> 1:03:03.360 you watch it from home. Nobody went to the movies 1:03:03.400 --> 1:03:08.400 to watch it. And now we're hearing Golden Globe talks, 1:03:08.760 --> 1:03:10.480 Oscar talks and all that stuff. And I had to 1:03:10.520 --> 1:03:17.080 do freaking zoom interviews with like people, and next thing 1:03:17.120 --> 1:03:19.280 you know, we're nominated, and I'm like, how the hell 1:03:19.320 --> 1:03:19.880 did this happen? 1:03:20.040 --> 1:03:21.840 So you had to go on a campaign? Yeah, I 1:03:21.880 --> 1:03:23.000 did the whole thing. Yeah, I was. 1:03:23.120 --> 1:03:26.240 I was just riding with her campaign, like yeah, straight up, 1:03:26.520 --> 1:03:29.280 like the three of us were campaigning, and who the 1:03:29.320 --> 1:03:31.480 writers on her? It was me, her and Tarotannas. 1:03:33.120 --> 1:03:34.560 Okay, yeah, she's dope. 1:03:34.680 --> 1:03:36.800 Yea. Everything was just moving so fast. It was kind 1:03:36.800 --> 1:03:40.439 of overwhelming for me that that year because that year 1:03:41.240 --> 1:03:43.640 I also won Song of the Year again that was 1:03:43.880 --> 1:03:45.720 that was my first Song of the Year, and then 1:03:45.760 --> 1:03:48.800 a month later I won an Oscar, So. 1:03:48.880 --> 1:03:56.200 I was like, what And for my last trick, I've 1:03:56.240 --> 1:03:59.240 also won Song a Year twice and I'm pretty sure 1:03:59.280 --> 1:04:00.640 you're the only who's done that. 1:04:01.240 --> 1:04:05.640 Yes, apparently this is crazy. I'm like, how And I 1:04:05.760 --> 1:04:08.280 think I'm the first one in thirty five years. I 1:04:08.280 --> 1:04:10.400 think Lino Richie was the first to win a song 1:04:10.720 --> 1:04:13.960 in Oscar in the same year for two different songs. 1:04:14.680 --> 1:04:16.840 I saw that, how are you pouring so much champagne? 1:04:16.880 --> 1:04:19.600 Good brother, You're pouring so much? Is this? These are 1:04:19.600 --> 1:04:22.000 the magnum bottles of move that you just you're just 1:04:22.080 --> 1:04:22.560 pouring out. 1:04:22.600 --> 1:04:24.520 At this point, I look up, I'm like, how the 1:04:24.600 --> 1:04:26.600 hell did that happen? Like straight up? 1:04:27.080 --> 1:04:29.480 And the second year in the road that you wined 1:04:29.520 --> 1:04:33.000 is for the Leaders are Open. Yeah, And then the 1:04:33.120 --> 1:04:33.840 first one. 1:04:34.120 --> 1:04:37.240 Was I can't Breathe with her, oh, which the three 1:04:37.280 --> 1:04:37.560 of us. 1:04:37.520 --> 1:04:39.920 I can't breath yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's the 1:04:40.000 --> 1:04:42.320 first one you win, and that's during the pandemic. 1:04:42.080 --> 1:04:44.440 Right, that's during the pandemic. The second one we won, 1:04:44.520 --> 1:04:46.919 the pandemic was over, but we that was the when 1:04:47.600 --> 1:04:50.080 the Grammars was in Vegas, Vegas, Yes, popping. They should 1:04:50.080 --> 1:04:51.320 do that one more time at least. 1:04:51.200 --> 1:04:53.360 Hey, Vey, Army, let's go back. 1:04:53.680 --> 1:04:54.160 Hell yeah. 1:04:54.600 --> 1:04:56.960 The Valentine likes to get good luck out there. Come on, 1:04:59.000 --> 1:05:01.040 he's ready to win another Song of the Year, right, 1:05:01.720 --> 1:05:02.680 put it back in Vegas. 1:05:02.880 --> 1:05:06.200 Right, yeah, man, this run insane? 1:05:06.240 --> 1:05:08.080 Could you imagine it? No? Never? 1:05:08.360 --> 1:05:10.400 You know what I was when I I thought about this. 1:05:10.800 --> 1:05:14.720 When I was younger, the only like vision I had 1:05:15.080 --> 1:05:18.520 was being at the red carpet at the Grammys, not 1:05:18.640 --> 1:05:21.600 even winning for some reason. It was just just the 1:05:21.640 --> 1:05:25.040 red carpet, just the red carpet with my like, my, 1:05:25.360 --> 1:05:30.160 my lady, my wife, my you know. Yeah, yeah, that 1:05:30.320 --> 1:05:37.040 actually happened, but like everything else after that was not 1:05:38.120 --> 1:05:40.320 I just wasn't thinking about that. Yeah, I don't know why. 1:05:40.400 --> 1:05:43.439 That was like the thing above everything else. 1:05:43.680 --> 1:05:49.720 Yeah, the celebration of it all. Yeah, have you gotten 1:05:49.840 --> 1:05:50.200 used to it? 1:05:50.680 --> 1:05:55.160 No, I don't think so. I don't think so because 1:05:55.200 --> 1:05:57.360 I'm always like, you know, I mean, it could never 1:05:57.440 --> 1:06:00.960 happen again. So when it does, do you take all 1:06:01.000 --> 1:06:03.040 the homies as much as I could? 1:06:03.280 --> 1:06:03.480 Yeah? 1:06:03.640 --> 1:06:03.840 Yeah? 1:06:05.680 --> 1:06:08.400 How did? How does how does your dad feel? He's 1:06:08.960 --> 1:06:09.880 your music teacher? 1:06:10.160 --> 1:06:12.600 Yeah exactly, He's over the moon. He's always proud. 1:06:12.960 --> 1:06:15.480 How do you pronounce y'all name Durst? 1:06:15.680 --> 1:06:15.840 Yeah? 1:06:15.880 --> 1:06:18.240 Because Nigga was gonna call you Durnest. Yeah, yeah, everybody, 1:06:18.520 --> 1:06:21.600 I was gonna call you the earnest, like I seen. 1:06:21.720 --> 1:06:22.000 That's it. 1:06:22.240 --> 1:06:22.640 Trust me. 1:06:22.720 --> 1:06:24.640 I've heard I've called you know. 1:06:24.760 --> 1:06:27.720 You want to know the worst thing I've ever heard? Dust? 1:06:28.160 --> 1:06:30.000 I don't know how she got it was. It was 1:06:30.080 --> 1:06:33.000 a teacher in my I was in elementary. 1:06:33.120 --> 1:06:33.600 She didn't like you. 1:06:34.120 --> 1:06:36.160 I think I said my name and then she was 1:06:36.240 --> 1:06:39.760 like what Dust, I'm like, no, I said Durnst. Yeah, 1:06:39.800 --> 1:06:41.600 I'll never forget that. I'm like, that was the worst 1:06:41.760 --> 1:06:42.680 version of my name. 1:06:43.320 --> 1:06:46.560 So big darn style here flaws right, Yeah, come come 1:06:46.680 --> 1:06:50.720 learn with me. You want to win an Oscar? You 1:06:50.800 --> 1:06:56.520 want to win one hundred thousand Grammys? That top my son? Yeah, listen, 1:06:56.640 --> 1:06:59.440 my son went to Oscar. They'll never hear the end up. 1:06:59.440 --> 1:07:03.880 No, trust me. My dad, well, honestly it's my daughter. 1:07:04.080 --> 1:07:05.160 My dad both. 1:07:04.960 --> 1:07:08.320 Definitely talks about me to his students. But what also 1:07:08.400 --> 1:07:11.480 happens is my dad will tell my I mean the 1:07:11.520 --> 1:07:12.680 students will tell my dad. 1:07:14.360 --> 1:07:17.480 Okay, yeah, yeah, he's like, oh yeah, I heard you had. 1:07:17.400 --> 1:07:20.960 This song with Lady Gaga whatever. 1:07:20.920 --> 1:07:29.400 Yep, transitions right, died with a smile. Yeah once again? 1:07:30.320 --> 1:07:31.120 What the fuck? 1:07:31.400 --> 1:07:32.080 Yeah that one? 1:07:32.680 --> 1:07:32.840 Bro? 1:07:33.520 --> 1:07:37.480 Yeah? Oh yeah, I. 1:07:37.560 --> 1:07:41.080 Saw the video. They're performing in front of like forty hundred. 1:07:40.800 --> 1:07:43.800 Thousand pop Yeah, that was crazy. That was crazy. 1:07:44.000 --> 1:07:46.240 I'm in the studio with I'm in a studio with 1:07:46.520 --> 1:07:50.960 fount le Roy. He's like, look at this, because I 1:07:51.040 --> 1:07:55.080 also was telling him a story about me having a 1:07:55.200 --> 1:07:59.120 meeting with this Uh we'll call him an executive, okay, 1:07:59.480 --> 1:08:02.080 telling me how died with a smile wasn't a hit? 1:08:02.960 --> 1:08:04.160 Really wow? 1:08:04.840 --> 1:08:08.000 Mm hmm early yep. I ain't gonna lie. You know. 1:08:08.120 --> 1:08:11.080 People say, you know, we listening, we don't judge, not me. 1:08:12.000 --> 1:08:14.040 I listened, and I judge the fuck out of you. 1:08:16.600 --> 1:08:19.479 This is my camera right here, right, Tiki. It's my camera. 1:08:19.600 --> 1:08:22.400 So if you say some dumb shit to me, gonna 1:08:22.520 --> 1:08:27.679 judge you on it. And and I'm like, you're crazy. Yeah, 1:08:27.840 --> 1:08:32.400 He's like, no, it's residue from its stardom residue. Wow, 1:08:33.160 --> 1:08:38.560 startom residue. Uh huh, it's Lady g guy and and 1:08:38.640 --> 1:08:42.360 Bruno marsh You can't miss I said. And you also 1:08:42.560 --> 1:08:47.000 can't forget it right right? And I started singing certain 1:08:47.000 --> 1:08:48.920 parts and he was like, oh yeah, I said, you 1:08:48.960 --> 1:08:52.720 want me to sing more? Right, I sing more. This 1:08:52.800 --> 1:08:56.840 is a smash. So by the time I go sit 1:08:56.960 --> 1:08:59.639 with Finntleroy at this point, you guys, if you're ruling 1:08:59.680 --> 1:09:03.240 the world. Yeah, And I tell him the story and 1:09:03.280 --> 1:09:07.280 he goes, let me play something, and he pulls up 1:09:07.280 --> 1:09:09.040 the video of them. I don't know, I don't know. 1:09:09.640 --> 1:09:10.840 I don't know where they at there somewhere. 1:09:11.479 --> 1:09:12.880 Yeah, I think it was because I think it was 1:09:13.040 --> 1:09:14.960 just Got Goy. It wasn't both of them. 1:09:15.120 --> 1:09:16.040 Yes, it's just Got. 1:09:16.400 --> 1:09:19.280 I think she just got a concert or something. But 1:09:19.439 --> 1:09:20.880 it was so many people out there, so. 1:09:20.920 --> 1:09:21.880 Many people singing that. 1:09:22.080 --> 1:09:28.320 Yeah, you couldn't even hear HER's that feel bro amazing, 1:09:28.439 --> 1:09:29.360 dog amazing. 1:09:29.680 --> 1:09:32.120 I never had that feeling I wanted. Man, I've been 1:09:32.200 --> 1:09:34.840 in the hood, right, they singing along the wind weed 1:09:35.600 --> 1:09:38.040 and you just hear fuck, and I'm like, it's just 1:09:38.760 --> 1:09:40.000 right right. 1:09:40.120 --> 1:09:45.240 But honestly, that felt better than the leave the Door 1:09:45.280 --> 1:09:46.880 Open and all that stuff, as great as that was 1:09:46.920 --> 1:09:48.920 for me, and that was like my first like number 1:09:48.960 --> 1:09:53.360 one man when Died with a Smile came out and 1:09:53.720 --> 1:09:55.519 he held onto that song for like a year. He 1:09:55.520 --> 1:09:56.880 didn't know what to do with it yet. We've been 1:09:56.920 --> 1:10:00.759 working on basically the Romantic album, so it was different vibe. 1:10:01.360 --> 1:10:04.840 But I never forgot about that song. I was just like, 1:10:05.320 --> 1:10:05.920 how could you? 1:10:06.040 --> 1:10:09.720 Bro? Yeah from a lyrics standpoint melody. When it gets 1:10:09.760 --> 1:10:15.960 into the I'm like, ah, what I'm saying because as 1:10:16.640 --> 1:10:20.920 creatives and honestly I take this, I'm gonna I'm gonna 1:10:20.920 --> 1:10:24.040 rewind a little bit. The executive that I'm sitting with 1:10:24.400 --> 1:10:28.519 has never written a song. He's an executive, which we 1:10:28.600 --> 1:10:32.479 respect them, and I sit on both sides of that fence, 1:10:32.640 --> 1:10:36.080 right like I've signed artists, I've signed publishing deals, I've 1:10:36.160 --> 1:10:40.880 written songs, I've sang songs, so I have all the conversations, right, 1:10:41.080 --> 1:10:46.800 I'm like, listen what you say. It sounded like a suit. Yeah, 1:10:48.120 --> 1:10:50.280 you sound like someone who's never written a song and 1:10:50.400 --> 1:10:55.559 doesn't know when that sweet spot kicks in. Definitely if 1:10:55.640 --> 1:10:57.280 the world was ending. 1:10:59.000 --> 1:10:59.880 Already got them. 1:11:01.439 --> 1:11:02.840 I want to be next to you, right. 1:11:04.280 --> 1:11:08.040 Right, exactly? Come on, bro, that's the key part right there. 1:11:08.280 --> 1:11:14.160 Come on, bro that the hundreds of thousands of people 1:11:14.240 --> 1:11:17.080 at the concert. I'm going to sing along too. Yeah, 1:11:17.760 --> 1:11:20.240 how could you not hear that? Yeah? You don't write 1:11:20.280 --> 1:11:22.679 these songs, right, you haven't written a song. You don't 1:11:22.720 --> 1:11:25.439 know that feeling, you don't have a heart that what 1:11:26.040 --> 1:11:33.200 see Now you're going farther. Yeah, you're tricky. You tricky y'all, 1:11:33.280 --> 1:11:36.639 be letting these people control your careers and listen, it's 1:11:36.680 --> 1:11:37.439 heartless souls. 1:11:37.680 --> 1:11:39.040 Yeah, well we could. 1:11:39.200 --> 1:11:42.280 That's another conversation, you know, every now and every now 1:11:42.280 --> 1:11:44.280 and then, we got to have those conversations, bro. But 1:11:45.400 --> 1:11:50.439 that song, man is incredible. Man, Thank you, congratulations. Man. 1:11:50.479 --> 1:11:52.120 I'm just I'm just glad to have been a part 1:11:52.120 --> 1:11:52.880 of it in any way. 1:11:53.120 --> 1:11:55.600 Yeah, you know, and as you see, bro, I just 1:11:55.760 --> 1:11:58.599 I love to celebrate y'all. Yeah, it don't matter if 1:11:58.640 --> 1:12:00.880 I'm a part of it or not. Our idea wasn't 1:12:00.920 --> 1:12:03.280 even even if I came to the studio and you 1:12:03.360 --> 1:12:06.519 played it for me. I'm like, nigga, I heard it 1:12:06.840 --> 1:12:10.480 right right, like when we did when we did Celebrity, 1:12:11.040 --> 1:12:12.679 they had just finished writing gone. 1:12:14.560 --> 1:12:14.760 Yeah. 1:12:16.560 --> 1:12:19.000 But the fact that I could tell the hood with 1:12:19.439 --> 1:12:23.920 justin yeah, my white nigga, Timberlake had on the way 1:12:24.840 --> 1:12:29.920 I could. Yeah, we dropped this. He gonna be the 1:12:29.960 --> 1:12:32.760 white nigga that all the black girls love. I knew it. 1:12:33.280 --> 1:12:36.560 It's like that record is going to take him to 1:12:36.600 --> 1:12:40.360 a place that this instinct it ain't did it Yeah, 1:12:40.520 --> 1:12:43.360 and it's gonna take them there. But then he off right, 1:12:43.560 --> 1:12:47.080 I just knew it. This is different. So when you 1:12:47.160 --> 1:12:50.360 get a chance to hear something first, somebody play you 1:12:50.439 --> 1:12:53.400 a record Tank playing me please don't go. I'm like, 1:12:53.560 --> 1:12:57.240 oh my god, Bro, y'all killed this shit. 1:12:57.840 --> 1:12:59.479 Those were the best, like the joints that you get 1:12:59.520 --> 1:13:03.080 to here before should come out the best dog and 1:13:03.200 --> 1:13:05.640 the saddest things is like the incredible records that you. 1:13:05.680 --> 1:13:09.800 Don't ever come out. And I am the friend that'd 1:13:09.840 --> 1:13:12.600 be like, hey, where is it? Man? That's how it 1:13:12.800 --> 1:13:16.720 was with No Bullshit with Chris. He played it for 1:13:16.920 --> 1:13:20.800 me amongst eighty Word, and I said, hey, there's a 1:13:21.080 --> 1:13:24.639 song that you played three hours ago. Can you play 1:13:24.720 --> 1:13:27.880 that one again? It's like it's something about Bush. 1:13:27.960 --> 1:13:32.720 Yeah, yep, oh nigg I look that yeah, please. 1:13:32.600 --> 1:13:35.080 Play it again. Because when you get to hear that 1:13:35.320 --> 1:13:40.320 that man, Bro record Plan. I still remember it. Yeah, 1:13:40.520 --> 1:13:42.760 oh record plan Man, he's playing me. He plays me 1:13:42.840 --> 1:13:48.080 No Bullshit and induces Oh yeah, amongst the other records. 1:13:48.120 --> 1:13:51.960 I'm just like, nigga, those two are you got to hear? 1:13:52.040 --> 1:13:55.360 Bro As Clive would say, those are all timers. Yeah right, 1:13:56.000 --> 1:13:58.439 it's an all timer, right, you know what I mean, 1:13:58.479 --> 1:14:02.880 a real copyright, bro, like you got real copyrights out here. 1:14:02.800 --> 1:14:06.200 Don man. I just looked up and yeah, you have 1:14:06.360 --> 1:14:06.920 you you. 1:14:06.960 --> 1:14:08.519 Know, and this is in your business a little bit. 1:14:08.800 --> 1:14:11.920 But uh, I know they've been calling. Have you done 1:14:11.960 --> 1:14:12.720 the catalog deal? 1:14:13.400 --> 1:14:15.639 No, but yes they have been calling. 1:14:15.720 --> 1:14:16.560 What's your thoughts on that. 1:14:16.800 --> 1:14:19.679 I'm still I'm kind of like you're on the fence. Yeah, 1:14:19.680 --> 1:14:23.000 I'm not sure yet. Yeah, but but I'm I should 1:14:23.160 --> 1:14:24.960 learn a little more. But I'm learning and kind of 1:14:25.080 --> 1:14:28.280 understanding kind of the things you can do. 1:14:29.120 --> 1:14:32.479 It's a real conversation within our industry now, yep. And 1:14:33.760 --> 1:14:37.200 everybody can't do one right. People be talking about it. 1:14:37.200 --> 1:14:41.599 I'm like, Nigga, yeah, you placed half a song talking 1:14:41.600 --> 1:14:44.439 about you doing a catalog deal. I ain't doing no 1:14:44.600 --> 1:14:49.160 catalog deal, relax right, Yeah. But then there's guys like yourself, Yeah, 1:14:49.520 --> 1:14:53.479 who these records are so massive and you've done so 1:14:53.680 --> 1:14:56.160 many of them, and then they come to you and 1:14:56.200 --> 1:15:01.800 they're talking these multiples this ten, twelve, fifteen some odd 1:15:02.160 --> 1:15:05.519 X deals. How do you turn that down? 1:15:05.840 --> 1:15:07.840 I don't think. I don't think everything that sounds good 1:15:08.000 --> 1:15:08.320 is good. 1:15:08.560 --> 1:15:10.760 Respect. You know, all money ain't good money. 1:15:10.920 --> 1:15:12.040 Yeah, all money ain't good money. 1:15:12.560 --> 1:15:12.960 Bad money. 1:15:13.560 --> 1:15:16.960 Yeah. The thing is where I'm at. I just don't 1:15:17.000 --> 1:15:19.360 know yet, and I usually don't like to move until 1:15:19.400 --> 1:15:23.720 I fully understand something. But that's I guess that's where 1:15:23.720 --> 1:15:26.160 I'm at. And you know, like I did learn that 1:15:26.280 --> 1:15:27.880 you can you don't have to sell your whole shit, 1:15:28.080 --> 1:15:29.840 you know what, I mean to do pieces pieces, get 1:15:29.880 --> 1:15:33.360 some of it back later or whatever. I'm just like, okay, whatever, 1:15:33.439 --> 1:15:35.840 I'm not gonna worry about that now. But maybe one day. 1:15:36.120 --> 1:15:38.600 Yeah, But at the moment, no turn out to the 1:15:38.680 --> 1:15:40.880 catalog companies, though, because I do like the work that 1:15:40.920 --> 1:15:41.920 they're doing, and I. 1:15:42.040 --> 1:15:44.320 Like, say, what you think, what do you think about it? 1:15:44.400 --> 1:15:45.160 What do you think I should do? 1:15:45.400 --> 1:15:49.160 What I think you should do? Keep writing massive records? Bro? Yeah, 1:15:49.800 --> 1:15:56.840 you don't because I look at that as one. If 1:15:56.880 --> 1:15:59.320 you need the money, right, let's be honest and be 1:15:59.360 --> 1:16:02.840 honest with it. If you need the money, clearly you 1:16:02.920 --> 1:16:05.640 don't be buying bullshit and change and ship, so you 1:16:05.720 --> 1:16:08.280 don't need the money. You know how to survive. You 1:16:08.360 --> 1:16:10.680 survived out that. You know that that bonus that you 1:16:10.760 --> 1:16:13.960 got earlier a hundred years ago, you know you did that. 1:16:14.880 --> 1:16:16.320 You know you know how to do well with your money. 1:16:16.320 --> 1:16:20.320 You don't mind living in an apartment if you got to, right. Yeah, 1:16:20.560 --> 1:16:23.120 and that's just from the financial literacy side of the 1:16:23.240 --> 1:16:25.320 music business people. You know, we do a lot, we 1:16:25.439 --> 1:16:29.240 do too much at times, right, We go beyond our 1:16:29.320 --> 1:16:32.560 means and it puts us in spaces where we have 1:16:32.800 --> 1:16:36.519 to do those type of deals. So you asking me 1:16:36.680 --> 1:16:39.960 about you just the demail, I know, I don't think 1:16:40.040 --> 1:16:42.360 that you need to do it. And I think that 1:16:42.560 --> 1:16:46.920 as you continue to grow your catalog, it continues to grow, 1:16:47.080 --> 1:16:50.040 the numbers grow, right and if like as in anything, 1:16:50.240 --> 1:16:53.920 when if you if you have a chance to wait, 1:16:55.240 --> 1:16:58.640 it's gonna probably be greater later exactly. Yeah, But I 1:16:58.720 --> 1:17:00.559 do like, I do like the work what they're doing. 1:17:01.400 --> 1:17:04.800 I really like Harvard View and what they're you know, 1:17:05.360 --> 1:17:07.080 what they've been doing with people. I just actually went 1:17:07.160 --> 1:17:08.920 to one of their events that they did. They did 1:17:09.000 --> 1:17:12.080 that they did the deal with with Quincy Jones' State, Yes, 1:17:12.800 --> 1:17:14.960 and I went to their event super Dope. They throw 1:17:15.040 --> 1:17:18.600 fairy fly events, and I like what they're doing. I like, 1:17:18.720 --> 1:17:21.680 you know, and I've had conversations with them about how 1:17:21.800 --> 1:17:26.360 they do their business. So understanding it more like you said, 1:17:26.400 --> 1:17:28.400 there is there's more than one way to skin the 1:17:28.479 --> 1:17:31.880 cat for sure. So, but I do think it's it's 1:17:31.920 --> 1:17:36.200 been a great influx of capital within our industry. 1:17:36.520 --> 1:17:40.120 Yeah, yeah, I agree, and for the for the people. 1:17:39.920 --> 1:17:41.360 That have been able to, you know, to do those 1:17:41.400 --> 1:17:43.920 deals that may have needed those funds to either go 1:17:44.160 --> 1:17:46.559 start another business, get out of them, some people getting 1:17:46.560 --> 1:17:49.720 out get out of the music business, or if it's 1:17:49.720 --> 1:17:53.599 in estate plan or whatever it is. Listen, sense it's 1:17:53.680 --> 1:17:57.040 banking for us, which we've never truly had real banking 1:17:57.840 --> 1:17:58.719 within our industry. 1:17:58.800 --> 1:17:59.160 That's real. 1:18:00.080 --> 1:18:04.040 It's super upside down. If you that advanced quote Uno 1:18:04.160 --> 1:18:09.320 uh quote unquote loan, Yeah, exactly, and the terms of 1:18:09.400 --> 1:18:13.400 that loan, it's really bad for us. So you know, 1:18:13.960 --> 1:18:16.080 they were talking, they know, they've been talking real numbers 1:18:16.360 --> 1:18:17.280 with the catalog thing. 1:18:17.760 --> 1:18:18.280 Yeah, you're right. 1:18:18.400 --> 1:18:19.920 But yeah, so I just you know, I wanted to 1:18:19.960 --> 1:18:23.720 ask you about that because everybody's not in position for 1:18:23.960 --> 1:18:28.640 that for it to be advantageous for them and for you. 1:18:28.760 --> 1:18:41.880 It is if you wanted to it's latest Bruno album. Yes, 1:18:42.800 --> 1:18:45.960 was it like top secret, We're gonna, We're gonna, we're 1:18:45.960 --> 1:18:48.639 gonna lay low and just and do some cool ship. 1:18:49.640 --> 1:18:54.000 I had heard about it a little, but it wasn't loud, 1:18:55.640 --> 1:18:57.920 and I felt like that was on purpose and I'll 1:18:57.920 --> 1:19:00.479 be hearing about everything. Yeah yeah, yeah, but it was 1:19:00.600 --> 1:19:01.559 it wasn't loud at all. 1:19:01.600 --> 1:19:03.200 It was like, yeah, I know what you're talking about. 1:19:03.760 --> 1:19:08.720 You know, Bruno got some shit gum real Yeah yeah yeah, 1:19:09.439 --> 1:19:13.840 demil ain't work with nobody else right now? Yeah, Philip Lawrence, 1:19:13.960 --> 1:19:16.080 you know what I'm saying, Like James foonn Leroy is 1:19:16.120 --> 1:19:20.000 kind of low key and ah how long was that process? 1:19:20.240 --> 1:19:22.200 I want to say three? I mean if you want 1:19:22.240 --> 1:19:24.240 to count three years, yeah, I want to say three. 1:19:24.880 --> 1:19:27.519 Wow. Yeah, people taking three years to make an album, 1:19:27.880 --> 1:19:29.640 just to make it, not even saying between albums, but 1:19:29.800 --> 1:19:33.960 just saying three years to actually focus on it. You 1:19:34.040 --> 1:19:34.519 can hear it. 1:19:35.000 --> 1:19:36.800 Sure, yep, you can hear bro. 1:19:36.920 --> 1:19:40.520 That album is incredible, Thank you man. The album is incredible. 1:19:40.600 --> 1:19:45.280 I can breathe now, bro. Yeah, And I'm sure what 1:19:45.640 --> 1:19:48.360 what what day? They said air tastes different out here? 1:19:49.840 --> 1:19:54.400 You and Rancho Koupamonga, Now you're the suburbs now with 1:19:54.560 --> 1:19:57.599 it because your debut that number one. 1:19:57.600 --> 1:19:59.479 First time for him and definitely first time for me. 1:19:59.600 --> 1:20:02.080 But for him, that's crazy for y'all, Yeah, for both 1:20:02.120 --> 1:20:02.400 of us. 1:20:02.520 --> 1:20:05.920 Yes, once again. Bro is it Is it a new 1:20:06.040 --> 1:20:09.200 feeling though, or is it like I know what this 1:20:09.280 --> 1:20:10.880 feel like? But keep keep it real with me, dog. 1:20:11.120 --> 1:20:12.000 It was a little both. 1:20:12.240 --> 1:20:13.679 Okay, I think it was a little both. 1:20:13.800 --> 1:20:15.840 I mean it was just like ship we did again, 1:20:16.720 --> 1:20:20.519 all right? Cool? But yeah it was familiar and I 1:20:20.600 --> 1:20:23.280 was just like, honestly, after working on the Silksonic album, 1:20:24.360 --> 1:20:27.040 you know, and I always tell people like working on 1:20:27.160 --> 1:20:30.400 that because I didn't know how hard it is to 1:20:30.479 --> 1:20:34.040 work with him in a good way, but it was. 1:20:34.160 --> 1:20:37.080 Draining for me. And shout out to Anderson Park too. Yes, 1:20:37.120 --> 1:20:40.439 shout out to shout out my fellows and Blazian brother. Yes, 1:20:40.439 --> 1:20:41.960 you know what I mean. We got to stick together. 1:20:42.000 --> 1:20:45.240 Oh yeah, so shout out to him because Sonic is incredible. 1:20:45.320 --> 1:20:45.800 He killed it. 1:20:45.960 --> 1:20:49.320 Yeah, that took a lot out of me just to 1:20:49.680 --> 1:20:52.040 just just how hard we had to push to even 1:20:52.120 --> 1:20:56.599 get get that. So when we came around to working 1:20:56.640 --> 1:21:00.320 on this project, it was a lot of kind of 1:21:00.360 --> 1:21:03.040 the same things. But because I'm used to it, I'm like, 1:21:03.960 --> 1:21:05.800 I know, this is all gonna make sense once it's over, 1:21:06.120 --> 1:21:10.240 once it's done, once he like sees the the movie 1:21:11.320 --> 1:21:13.640 like the completion of it, like it's gonna work, and 1:21:13.880 --> 1:21:16.120 he's gonna make sense of it all. And at times 1:21:16.120 --> 1:21:17.760 where I'm just like, I don't get what he's thinking, 1:21:18.760 --> 1:21:20.439 or he might not get what I'm thinking, or whatever 1:21:20.479 --> 1:21:23.080 the heck, and it just all comes together. He he 1:21:23.280 --> 1:21:26.600 just knows how to deliver when it's time. So I 1:21:26.680 --> 1:21:29.800 trusted it so much more this time. And it was 1:21:29.880 --> 1:21:31.599 just kind of like going with the flow a lot 1:21:31.640 --> 1:21:34.080 of the times. And even as far as it's coming 1:21:34.120 --> 1:21:35.920 it out, coming out, just seeing the result of it, 1:21:35.960 --> 1:21:38.439 I'm going with the flow of that too. I'm just like, Yep, 1:21:38.640 --> 1:21:41.120 he probably knew that was gonna happen, and he knew 1:21:41.120 --> 1:21:42.680 this was gonna happen, you know what I mean. 1:21:42.720 --> 1:21:46.200 And just like, do you have you have a number 1:21:46.240 --> 1:21:49.240 one meter in your head? No, you can't hear it? 1:21:51.080 --> 1:21:52.720 No I don't. I don't like to think like that. 1:21:53.080 --> 1:21:56.400 Okay, Yeah, that's probably why God ain't never gave me 1:21:56.479 --> 1:22:00.640 a hot number one. I'd be like, yeah, yeah, right, 1:22:01.040 --> 1:22:03.400 I did it. I know, I did it. Wait it didn't. 1:22:04.080 --> 1:22:06.920 It didn't. It didn't go high number one first. Maybe 1:22:06.960 --> 1:22:07.880 next week is gonna do it. 1:22:08.040 --> 1:22:10.360 I feel like maybe only once in my life I 1:22:10.439 --> 1:22:13.519 might have called something smash. It might've been the Janets off, 1:22:13.600 --> 1:22:16.720 but I've never really made claims like that. 1:22:17.080 --> 1:22:17.280 Yeah. 1:22:17.520 --> 1:22:17.720 Yeah. 1:22:18.360 --> 1:22:20.840 And the first time I heard blame it, I was like, 1:22:21.320 --> 1:22:24.920 oh my god, yeah, oh my god. 1:22:25.080 --> 1:22:27.519 Yeah, well other people's records, I probably might do it, 1:22:27.560 --> 1:22:32.360 but yeah for my stuff, no, but yes, blame it shesh. 1:22:33.280 --> 1:22:36.000 Honestly go back to you know, when when Tank sent 1:22:36.080 --> 1:22:40.000 me the initial idea of when we he tells the story, 1:22:40.080 --> 1:22:45.360 I'm like, neg yeah, oh they gonna sing this. 1:22:45.960 --> 1:22:48.360 Yeah yeah, yeah, like you. 1:22:48.360 --> 1:22:51.200 Don't think it's too I know, it's no, it's perfect, bro, 1:22:51.400 --> 1:22:54.439 It's yeah, let's take it from there. It's aggressive. It 1:22:54.479 --> 1:22:57.400 got to stay aggressive from all this. Yeah, you know, 1:22:58.240 --> 1:23:01.880 but yeah, bro, you what you'll do with that album? Uh? 1:23:02.000 --> 1:23:03.400 And I told Philip when he was when he was 1:23:03.439 --> 1:23:06.320 on the on the podcast, is my favorite record on there. 1:23:06.800 --> 1:23:09.960 It's probably because I told juvenile sample. Yeah, I'm another 1:23:10.160 --> 1:23:12.600 nigga man working that back. I like it like that, 1:23:13.479 --> 1:23:15.240 to do it, I have to do it, come man. 1:23:15.600 --> 1:23:17.599 He was like, man, do we do do we give 1:23:17.680 --> 1:23:19.400 up the money? I'm like, yeah, dog is worth it? 1:23:19.479 --> 1:23:20.360 Dog listen. 1:23:21.439 --> 1:23:25.400 He did. He did it on on with the what's 1:23:25.439 --> 1:23:26.800 the sample? What's my guy. 1:23:27.000 --> 1:23:31.320 Man, Oh god, I'm tripping to gold all in my 1:23:31.600 --> 1:23:32.400 chain exactly. 1:23:32.439 --> 1:23:35.360 Don't believe me, Just don't believe me. Just watch you 1:23:35.520 --> 1:23:40.240 gotta know when it can't be switched exactly. Hey man, 1:23:40.720 --> 1:23:41.320 what they want? 1:23:41.600 --> 1:23:41.760 Yep? 1:23:41.840 --> 1:23:46.040 They want eighty? Yes? Oh so we gotta split twenty 1:23:46.160 --> 1:23:51.760 percent between four of us, right, hey man, whatever it's 1:23:51.800 --> 1:23:54.840 worth it. Sometimes I live by one hundred percent of 1:23:54.920 --> 1:23:57.320 nothing is nothing. Yeah, give me a slice of the pie. 1:23:57.520 --> 1:23:57.680 Yep. 1:23:58.880 --> 1:24:01.080 How many of us in this room right now? Okay, okay, 1:24:01.200 --> 1:24:03.200 this is what it's split up to be with that. 1:24:03.360 --> 1:24:07.879 Let's rock Yep, it's cool. We get on the next one. Yeah, exactly, 1:24:07.920 --> 1:24:10.679 because the reup is the reup when you're a part 1:24:10.720 --> 1:24:15.400 of something special and something that's earth shattering, life shaking 1:24:16.280 --> 1:24:19.920 with y'all have been partner. Come on, bro, that conversation 1:24:20.120 --> 1:24:23.120 goes far beyond. If I walk in the room and say, yeah, yeah, 1:24:23.120 --> 1:24:28.280 you're not roll risk it all right, every ear is 1:24:28.360 --> 1:24:31.240 going to perk up. Yeah, just is what it is, 1:24:31.880 --> 1:24:34.920 and they made I might have just said risk you no, no, no, no, no, 1:24:35.040 --> 1:24:39.840 we should instead of trick it all, trick it all, 1:24:40.479 --> 1:24:43.560 we should risk it all right and walk off the 1:24:43.640 --> 1:24:46.320 road Boom and now part of the record. 1:24:46.320 --> 1:24:49.479 You're on the record, no matter, don't nobody know, no matter, 1:24:49.840 --> 1:24:50.360 You're on there. 1:24:50.479 --> 1:24:54.320 And now I get to write for Rihanna, right, Olivia 1:24:54.439 --> 1:24:58.000 Dean Victoria Mode exactly. You know what I'm saying. So 1:24:58.880 --> 1:25:03.640 I'm all for. Yeah, if what have you got? If 1:25:03.720 --> 1:25:06.400 things need to be shifted around and tweaked to get 1:25:06.439 --> 1:25:08.320 to that hit, you gotta get to it. 1:25:08.400 --> 1:25:09.080 You gotta get to it. 1:25:09.120 --> 1:25:12.760 You gotta get to it. So you got a label, Yes, 1:25:12.920 --> 1:25:14.800 I do, So you know I knew that was coming, 1:25:14.840 --> 1:25:16.920 and so you know what I mean, you gotta have 1:25:17.000 --> 1:25:20.479 a label. You got all these hits? Yeah, how long 1:25:20.560 --> 1:25:24.560 were they pitching? All right, we're companies coming to you. 1:25:25.040 --> 1:25:27.000 No, because not a lot of people knew. I think 1:25:28.080 --> 1:25:31.519 there was one label that that knew that we were 1:25:31.560 --> 1:25:32.840 trying to start. 1:25:32.640 --> 1:25:36.080 That and and as y'all can see, this is the 1:25:36.160 --> 1:25:37.880 label Van Van. 1:25:38.920 --> 1:25:42.479 Yep so, and we wanted to go with this this 1:25:42.640 --> 1:25:46.200 guy and and and the squad, but things didn't work out. 1:25:46.400 --> 1:25:49.360 And you know, the initial dude, you were going to 1:25:49.400 --> 1:25:51.920 do Yeah, okay, so the first one they go through. 1:25:51.920 --> 1:25:53.720 It didn't go through. It didn't work out. Still, my 1:25:53.800 --> 1:25:57.040 whole meed forever, you know. But then the Disney thing 1:25:58.240 --> 1:25:59.040 came came up? 1:26:00.280 --> 1:26:01.479 So did Mickey Mouse call you? 1:26:01.800 --> 1:26:02.479 Micky called me. 1:26:04.040 --> 1:26:09.439 Because you know my next thing, I got kids, right, tickets? 1:26:10.000 --> 1:26:12.320 Now I want tickets. I won't I won't pass this. 1:26:12.479 --> 1:26:13.920 I want to be able to go when I want 1:26:13.960 --> 1:26:14.120 to go. 1:26:14.280 --> 1:26:14.880 That's what I meant. 1:26:15.200 --> 1:26:17.280 Yeah, but you know, we got to clarify in our 1:26:17.320 --> 1:26:19.680 community because you know what I mean, Like, hey, man, 1:26:19.720 --> 1:26:22.320 he told me, I'm good, and then the next time 1:26:22.320 --> 1:26:25.320 I wasn't good. I'll be waiting at the at the 1:26:25.560 --> 1:26:29.800 at the Disneyland door like this. No, I talked to 1:26:29.920 --> 1:26:35.160 de bau he said. Mickey said, wait, so okay, yeah, 1:26:35.760 --> 1:26:41.600 you do a deal with Disney. Please explain, man, I 1:26:41.720 --> 1:26:46.320 clearly have never done a deal with Disneyland. So Ship well, 1:26:46.360 --> 1:26:48.680 you can't cut because we're talking about Mickey. Now. You 1:26:48.760 --> 1:26:51.680 know they take they got the Disney clauses, and ship well, 1:26:51.720 --> 1:26:55.439 I ain't got I ain't Disney. So hey, listen you 1:26:55.560 --> 1:26:58.920 Mickey Mouse, motherfuckers, let's do this deal. I'll tell you 1:26:59.000 --> 1:26:59.719 that ahead. 1:27:01.160 --> 1:27:02.680 Yeah. Man, we were just we were just in the 1:27:02.720 --> 1:27:05.360 process of forming this label together, and you know, we 1:27:05.600 --> 1:27:09.680 just started getting around who's at Disney, like like, well 1:27:09.840 --> 1:27:10.920 they got Disney music that. 1:27:10.960 --> 1:27:12.920 Tapped in with you though, like you give me a 1:27:12.960 --> 1:27:14.120 little breakdown, got me? 1:27:14.880 --> 1:27:18.479 Okay, he's an executive, you know, one of the top 1:27:18.560 --> 1:27:20.719 guys at Disney Music Group. And I know they focused 1:27:20.760 --> 1:27:24.800 on like soundtracks mainly and all that stuff, but they 1:27:24.800 --> 1:27:26.240 also have artists and all that stuff. 1:27:26.720 --> 1:27:30.639 But this is not because because it's not Hollywood, because 1:27:30.680 --> 1:27:32.800 Hollywood Records was a part of Disney too, correct, Am 1:27:32.840 --> 1:27:33.040 I right? 1:27:33.320 --> 1:27:35.599 They're still around two I think? Yeah, okay, yeah they. 1:27:35.520 --> 1:27:37.439 Are because they were doing I want to say, I 1:27:37.520 --> 1:27:39.840 want to say, like Trevor Jackson if or not even maybe, 1:27:40.880 --> 1:27:44.400 but like all the young like the Jaydens and when 1:27:44.400 --> 1:27:48.960 they were all kids, I think she was Miley Cyrus Hollywood. 1:27:49.760 --> 1:27:52.160 If you were singing and acting and part of that, 1:27:52.840 --> 1:27:55.080 you were kind of on Hollywood. I'm proudly sucking it 1:27:55.160 --> 1:27:57.720 up and doing the artists over there, that sure, probably wrong, 1:27:57.760 --> 1:28:01.400 but they were okay, right, Simon was on Kiky Palmer. 1:28:02.439 --> 1:28:07.519 They were over there all up, right, But that was 1:28:07.560 --> 1:28:09.880 a part of Disney as well, right, is a part 1:28:09.920 --> 1:28:13.240 of Disney? Yeah, ok still there, okay, but but where 1:28:13.479 --> 1:28:18.960 you're strictly Disney yeah, the mouse, Mickey and Minnie. Ye, 1:28:20.120 --> 1:28:24.240 Donald Duck in there. Yep, alright, California Adventures. I'm on 1:28:24.360 --> 1:28:27.280 my way. You know, I've never been to Disney World, right, 1:28:27.400 --> 1:28:27.880 you know what I mean? 1:28:28.120 --> 1:28:30.679 Have you been finally once? Yeah? I went after after 1:28:30.760 --> 1:28:32.400 this deal. Yeah did you have? 1:28:32.560 --> 1:28:34.320 You had like the zoom bass and all the cool 1:28:34.400 --> 1:28:34.800 ship too. 1:28:35.439 --> 1:28:36.960 We were just I don't remember how I got in. 1:28:37.160 --> 1:28:40.840 It's one of those you when they were I went 1:28:40.880 --> 1:28:43.840 with people, went by yourself, right with the people. 1:28:45.320 --> 1:28:47.240 With the guys, you know, the top see here guys, 1:28:47.360 --> 1:28:48.040 Bob and them. 1:28:49.040 --> 1:28:51.559 Yeah, yeah, okay, all right, I gotta I gotta meet 1:28:51.600 --> 1:28:52.040 the people. 1:28:52.240 --> 1:28:54.680 Yeah, to go back though, because I only was there 1:28:54.720 --> 1:28:56.320 for like, I was only able to get on one 1:28:56.400 --> 1:28:58.200 ride and I had to fly back out here. 1:28:58.800 --> 1:29:03.200 See this is what happened when when you're too big 1:29:03.280 --> 1:29:06.439 times the doors start opening up. You think they're never 1:29:06.520 --> 1:29:08.800 going to close, so you just go on one ride 1:29:08.840 --> 1:29:12.320 and then you leave. May better take your ass back 1:29:12.360 --> 1:29:16.320 at die Land. Get on every ride two or three times. 1:29:16.360 --> 1:29:17.679 Yep, and enjoy this ship. 1:29:17.880 --> 1:29:20.080 I had a flight to catch man. That flight could 1:29:20.080 --> 1:29:20.560 the way out of it. 1:29:21.040 --> 1:29:23.519 Right. I'm going back though, I'm going back for sure. 1:29:23.960 --> 1:29:27.800 Then to slash Disney. Yeah, yeah, the bag, Yeah, it's 1:29:27.880 --> 1:29:28.280 the bag. 1:29:29.200 --> 1:29:30.640 A lot of great opportunities. 1:29:31.520 --> 1:29:35.240 And is Disney self distributing or. 1:29:35.800 --> 1:29:41.519 They're distributed under Universal Universal Group? Yeah yeah, soything that 1:29:41.760 --> 1:29:44.320 that comes out and you know, ultimately goes through them. 1:29:44.479 --> 1:29:46.560 But so tell me about these amazing artists that you 1:29:46.840 --> 1:29:49.519 that you're signing. Yes, I have three's and now you're 1:29:49.560 --> 1:29:52.000 Berry Gordy, right, come on, Berry Gordy. 1:29:51.960 --> 1:29:56.400 Like, how did that happen? But yes, I have three 1:29:56.520 --> 1:30:00.960 artists now. One name Rude Cat Okay, he's like alternative, 1:30:01.640 --> 1:30:05.240 he's uh, dark skinned brother, super dope. I love his 1:30:05.479 --> 1:30:08.000 like his mind, and then and all of that, and 1:30:08.280 --> 1:30:11.760 actually another artist introduced me to him. And then I 1:30:11.840 --> 1:30:15.240 had Tomorris Sin Okay, who's a rapper who's doing her 1:30:15.320 --> 1:30:18.720 thing right now. She's super talented. And you know, for 1:30:18.800 --> 1:30:22.080 somebody who's been only doing it for like a few years, 1:30:22.640 --> 1:30:24.679 you know, she's she's made. 1:30:24.760 --> 1:30:28.519 Started, it's made starting to people starting to hear about it. 1:30:28.560 --> 1:30:31.640 Oh man, what okay? And then and then we got 1:30:31.680 --> 1:30:34.880 somebody in the building. Yes, come on, man, come on, 1:30:35.720 --> 1:30:41.120 come on, come on, do your introductions. Man, come on, gentleman, 1:30:41.240 --> 1:30:45.840 I'm turning you into a nineties exec. I'll tell you, 1:30:46.400 --> 1:30:47.680 you know, I mean this how this shit used to 1:30:47.760 --> 1:30:51.400 get cracked facts. Yeah, so then you know this new 1:30:51.520 --> 1:30:53.840 artists and we're doing Come on, dog, come on, who 1:30:53.880 --> 1:30:55.120 we got we got pulling. 1:30:54.960 --> 1:30:58.320 Up beautiful Indiana Sean, Come on, Sean. 1:31:02.640 --> 1:31:08.840 Longer introducting you. 1:31:09.760 --> 1:31:11.920 I'm good enjoying this conversation. 1:31:13.479 --> 1:31:15.439 I got this man to talk you believe that, right, 1:31:17.160 --> 1:31:18.080 yeah on camera. 1:31:18.360 --> 1:31:19.880 I know he's doing a good job. 1:31:20.240 --> 1:31:20.519 Thank you. 1:31:20.760 --> 1:31:25.200 He's doing a good job. Barry Gordy. Right, yeah, So 1:31:25.400 --> 1:31:28.120 come on, introduce the world to yourself. Let us let 1:31:28.200 --> 1:31:29.280 us know, not even know. 1:31:29.600 --> 1:31:32.600 I mean, I'll let you do it. Do what you 1:31:33.040 --> 1:31:33.759 introduce yourself. 1:31:34.680 --> 1:31:43.240 Oh yeah, I'm India Sean singer songwriter, Los Angeles, California native. 1:31:43.720 --> 1:31:47.439 But I also reap the atl Oh both, yes, both, 1:31:48.160 --> 1:31:52.280 And I'm a van to artist, yes yes, yeah. 1:31:53.920 --> 1:31:56.280 So when can we expect some music? 1:31:56.600 --> 1:31:58.000 I mean, there's a lot of music out there. 1:31:58.600 --> 1:32:02.040 I'm talking about why you hear today, but you can 1:32:02.080 --> 1:32:03.120 tell about them. It's just out too. 1:32:03.160 --> 1:32:05.640 But I'm like, you know, let's let's get into what 1:32:06.040 --> 1:32:09.880 that just dropped rain on me? Yes, yes, and the 1:32:10.000 --> 1:32:14.280 EP is here subject to change, and that means. 1:32:14.280 --> 1:32:16.160 Is it gonna be? Is it gonna be changing? It is? 1:32:16.720 --> 1:32:21.000 It is what it is because it's a lot. 1:32:23.080 --> 1:32:23.479 It's here. 1:32:24.800 --> 1:32:26.320 Yeah, which got his other record? 1:32:26.520 --> 1:32:28.920 Okay, but I heard, Okay, I'm. 1:32:28.880 --> 1:32:31.960 Very excited about and I don't give it excited very much. 1:32:33.200 --> 1:32:37.400 I have my moments. This Marmalay record, the men love 1:32:37.479 --> 1:32:41.599 that one. I really like that record. I really really 1:32:41.840 --> 1:32:45.000 like that record. It's fun, it's a it's just it's 1:32:45.040 --> 1:32:47.680 just it's a good time. That's what we need, right, 1:32:47.840 --> 1:32:51.760 It's like pop soul. Okay, love that to me? 1:32:52.120 --> 1:32:55.120 Yes, to me, it is you know my own Yeah, 1:32:55.439 --> 1:32:57.400 you know it has a disco vibe to it. 1:32:57.640 --> 1:33:00.479 Yeah that is to me. 1:33:00.720 --> 1:33:03.439 Yeah, you know what I mean. Like absolutely could have 1:33:03.880 --> 1:33:06.760 road skate to it. If I could roll escape been 1:33:06.840 --> 1:33:09.000 good at it. I ain't gonna lie to you our 1:33:09.840 --> 1:33:12.720 roller skate. Like I'm on the skateboard right, my left 1:33:12.760 --> 1:33:15.320 foot stay down and I just be kicking my right 1:33:16.840 --> 1:33:18.080 and then when I hit the corner, I just do 1:33:18.200 --> 1:33:21.360 like this. I don't move, so it just it takes 1:33:21.439 --> 1:33:21.920 me right. 1:33:23.080 --> 1:33:24.360 I think they have accessories for that. 1:33:25.040 --> 1:33:28.160 I wish I would, I wish I would be in there, 1:33:28.240 --> 1:33:33.320 would roller skate walker, not the Valentine. I already looked 1:33:33.320 --> 1:33:35.479 crazy enough doing the one leg, but I figured how 1:33:35.520 --> 1:33:37.639 to make it look cool, how to make it look cool. 1:33:37.680 --> 1:33:41.400 But that song is a standout to me. I really 1:33:41.560 --> 1:33:44.680 like you. I really like that record, really really do 1:33:45.280 --> 1:33:50.200 So tell me about your journey to get here, to 1:33:50.280 --> 1:33:53.479 get here to days a journey it's then, yes, because 1:33:53.520 --> 1:33:57.439 we met on that journey yeah somewhere, yes, yeah, yeah, 1:33:57.720 --> 1:34:01.160 when you were in full songwriter mode. Yes, yeah, probably yeah, 1:34:01.520 --> 1:34:04.160 you were locked into the you know, songs for other people. 1:34:04.200 --> 1:34:06.840 It was it was a short cent, but I gave 1:34:07.439 --> 1:34:08.240 my best effort. 1:34:08.360 --> 1:34:12.280 What pushed you into that space where it was more 1:34:12.320 --> 1:34:14.320 of Okay, I'm a focus on being a songwriter. 1:34:14.600 --> 1:34:22.840 Yeah, so I think I just saw the potential for earnings. 1:34:23.240 --> 1:34:25.160 Okay, come on, we got to get to the coin. 1:34:25.400 --> 1:34:27.280 You're real, You'll get into the car. We need you. 1:34:27.320 --> 1:34:28.720 I don't know if ya. Y'all probably can't see your 1:34:28.720 --> 1:34:31.800 boots because were shooting up here. Listen, boots ain't free 1:34:32.479 --> 1:34:33.960 and they are made for walking. 1:34:34.720 --> 1:34:37.200 Yeah, I just I mean, honestly, I was having fun 1:34:37.240 --> 1:34:39.160 at the time. I was writing with my sister and 1:34:39.479 --> 1:34:43.200 a friend of ours, Keisha shout out to y'all and 1:34:43.280 --> 1:34:46.040 we formed a little team called Full Circle. We were 1:34:46.080 --> 1:34:48.759 writing in my dorm room and we actually were having. 1:34:48.600 --> 1:34:49.200 A really good time. 1:34:49.280 --> 1:34:50.519 So did you go to college in Atlanta? 1:34:50.640 --> 1:34:52.160 I went to Georgia State Universe. 1:34:51.880 --> 1:34:54.240 So that's what kicked off the Okay, the atl thing, 1:34:54.320 --> 1:34:59.639 Okay college. The only two that didn't go to college 1:35:00.120 --> 1:35:01.040 in this interview. 1:35:00.720 --> 1:35:04.719 I mean industry college you got, you got your music degree. 1:35:04.840 --> 1:35:07.800 You're smarter than us. Go ahead, so Georgia State. 1:35:09.640 --> 1:35:11.840 Yeah, I went to Georgia State. I actually dropped out 1:35:11.840 --> 1:35:12.880 when I did my publishing goal. 1:35:12.960 --> 1:35:18.160 Okay, you ain't smarter. I went back and I got 1:35:18.280 --> 1:35:20.679 my degree. Should I dropp out of high school? Whatever 1:35:21.080 --> 1:35:24.720 was not for me? You said, no, no, no, no, no, 1:35:24.880 --> 1:35:28.760 you teachers. I'll be back right, So you go. You 1:35:28.920 --> 1:35:30.759 go back, Yes, your degree? 1:35:30.800 --> 1:35:33.120 I did. I did go back and finish. But in 1:35:33.240 --> 1:35:36.160 between I had come back to l A and I 1:35:36.320 --> 1:35:40.240 was doing the writing thing, that rat race of just trying. 1:35:40.000 --> 1:35:43.439 To get placements and living in the studio and literally 1:35:44.000 --> 1:35:49.960 literally record Plant. We've all been there and being exposed 1:35:50.000 --> 1:35:53.240 and introduced to so much greatness. I mean, from doctor 1:35:53.320 --> 1:35:59.840 Dre to Chris Brown, all the people everybody, and so. 1:36:00.040 --> 1:36:05.960 Are you doing more session work? Are just pitching? Were 1:36:06.000 --> 1:36:08.560 you able to get in rooms and really you know, 1:36:09.320 --> 1:36:11.160 right with the artist the whole thing. 1:36:11.600 --> 1:36:16.240 No, I wasn't Chris. Yes, okay, we were fortunate to 1:36:16.320 --> 1:36:17.000 work with Chris. 1:36:17.360 --> 1:36:24.000 Shut out to Chris because Chris is so non industry. 1:36:25.280 --> 1:36:27.840 I tell people all the time that because some people 1:36:27.920 --> 1:36:32.000 feel like he's been over over times, he's been too accessible. 1:36:32.000 --> 1:36:35.320 I'm like, no, he changed what the superstar can be. 1:36:36.720 --> 1:36:40.320 You can be an accessible superstar, especially if you're Chris Brown, 1:36:40.920 --> 1:36:43.000 you know what I mean. Chris Brown got features with 1:36:43.080 --> 1:36:49.320 people that probably you should have, you know, whatever, you 1:36:49.320 --> 1:36:52.920 can say, I might be one of them. But the 1:36:53.120 --> 1:36:55.680 fact though, like you said, y'all was trying to get 1:36:55.680 --> 1:36:58.360 in the studio with people and being able to get 1:36:58.400 --> 1:37:00.680 in the studio with a top guy, if not the 1:37:00.880 --> 1:37:05.479 top guy. It's that's not normal. Yeah, you know what 1:37:05.479 --> 1:37:07.320 I mean. And there's so many people who have that 1:37:07.520 --> 1:37:10.160 story of oh man, Chris Brown let me in the studio. 1:37:12.800 --> 1:37:15.600 It was definitely my proximity to the producers that I 1:37:15.720 --> 1:37:18.479 was working with at that time. But I think he 1:37:18.640 --> 1:37:20.640 is one of those artists that just loves music and 1:37:20.760 --> 1:37:25.000 appreciates and recognizes talent, and he doesn't mind giving people 1:37:25.000 --> 1:37:29.080 a shot. And being in the studio with him. I mean, 1:37:29.120 --> 1:37:30.799 it taught me so much because he's such a machine 1:37:31.000 --> 1:37:33.920 like melodies as you're passing the mic around and he's 1:37:34.040 --> 1:37:34.559 not stopped. 1:37:34.600 --> 1:37:35.639 He's the bunny. 1:37:35.680 --> 1:37:39.240 I randomly ended up on a bistape day. I was like, wait, 1:37:40.040 --> 1:37:42.680 y'all need me to clear what it's like? Yeah, we 1:37:42.800 --> 1:37:45.519 think you're singing on I was like, for sending it's 1:37:45.520 --> 1:37:48.479 all out. Yeah there, I go hilarious, Oh it's clear. 1:37:49.000 --> 1:37:51.439 But you're right though. You're in the studio with him 1:37:51.560 --> 1:37:56.040 and it's literally like, idiot, go lat that down. I 1:37:56.200 --> 1:37:59.000 just yeah, what you was just having over here? He 1:37:59.200 --> 1:38:04.599 literally operates like that. Yeah, amazing, amazing. So you're writing, 1:38:05.360 --> 1:38:09.000 you're in with Chris Brown, you're making your rounds around 1:38:09.160 --> 1:38:22.599 La Atlanta. Yeah, what made you say these songs need 1:38:22.640 --> 1:38:23.000 to be for me? 1:38:24.280 --> 1:38:27.080 I mean, honestly, there was a part of that journey 1:38:27.160 --> 1:38:30.680 that was unfulfilling, and I don't feel like I was 1:38:30.720 --> 1:38:32.720 in the most nurturing environment. I don't feel like I 1:38:32.760 --> 1:38:37.040 was in the most safe environment, and I definitely wasn't 1:38:37.120 --> 1:38:41.360 being encouraged to sing so, I mean, I was told 1:38:41.400 --> 1:38:43.880 at some point that I shouldn't even demo songs. So 1:38:44.080 --> 1:38:46.680 my spirit was so crushed at a certain point that 1:38:46.760 --> 1:38:48.439 I was like, Okay, I'm going back home to my 1:38:48.479 --> 1:38:50.320 mama's house and going back to Atlanta. I'm to finished 1:38:50.320 --> 1:38:53.840 my degree and I'm just gonna make a project for me, 1:38:54.120 --> 1:38:57.240 like much in the vein and spirit of what Deep 1:38:57.800 --> 1:39:00.160 and Lucky did at that time, Like I'm just to 1:39:00.160 --> 1:39:01.640 make one album and see what it does, you know. 1:39:01.800 --> 1:39:04.479 And I went home and me and my boyfriend at 1:39:04.520 --> 1:39:06.479 the time, we made my first album Origin. He had 1:39:06.560 --> 1:39:09.280 never produced anything and learned how to produce, and we. 1:39:09.479 --> 1:39:10.360 Made this album. 1:39:11.760 --> 1:39:16.759 I'm about to learn how to produce. Oh, this is great. 1:39:17.000 --> 1:39:20.400 That's some think I've never learned how to keep my 1:39:20.479 --> 1:39:20.920 girl up. 1:39:21.040 --> 1:39:26.439 That's shout out. 1:39:27.000 --> 1:39:30.960 Yeah, shout out to you, bro. That's incredible. He's special guy. 1:39:31.400 --> 1:39:31.639 Yeah. 1:39:31.760 --> 1:39:34.639 So, and it actually like made some waves in Atlanta 1:39:34.680 --> 1:39:36.439 at the time. I remember my album release party for 1:39:36.520 --> 1:39:38.120 that was like wrapped around the block. 1:39:38.200 --> 1:39:38.759 It was crazy. 1:39:39.320 --> 1:39:41.519 Shout out to Paris Kirk, my manager at the time, 1:39:42.160 --> 1:39:45.280 who just really was doing everything he could to support me. 1:39:46.560 --> 1:39:49.320 A couple of years later, I did a joint project 1:39:49.479 --> 1:39:52.040 with James Fuller with the Outer Limits EP, and so 1:39:52.200 --> 1:39:53.960 as he was talking, I was thinking about how much 1:39:54.080 --> 1:39:57.720 our journeys were kind of interwoven and we're probably like 1:39:57.840 --> 1:39:58.559 passing each other. 1:39:58.680 --> 1:40:00.640 And at this point, you guys had had met each other, 1:40:01.520 --> 1:40:04.920 we had well we had okay, okay once. 1:40:05.080 --> 1:40:07.680 Yeah, that's that is the story. Actually we need to 1:40:07.720 --> 1:40:08.240 tell that one. 1:40:08.800 --> 1:40:13.840 But yeah, did my EP with James and worked a 1:40:14.000 --> 1:40:16.599 bunch of odd jobs after that in between just trying 1:40:16.600 --> 1:40:17.599 to figure things out. 1:40:17.640 --> 1:40:18.680 It's the worst job you had. 1:40:19.360 --> 1:40:24.639 The worst job probably selling insurance stole people, Like calling 1:40:26.720 --> 1:40:28.439 numbers all day long and getting hung up on and 1:40:28.479 --> 1:40:28.960 cussed out. 1:40:29.240 --> 1:40:30.679 That was that was worse. 1:40:31.479 --> 1:40:33.519 It's cussing you out, cussing me out. 1:40:33.840 --> 1:40:35.560 I was telling somebody the other day. I was like, 1:40:35.600 --> 1:40:39.240 I kind of can't wait to be old because I 1:40:39.280 --> 1:40:43.679 already don't really have for sure can definitely get cussed 1:40:43.680 --> 1:40:46.920 out fucking with me. But as an old man, Yeah, 1:40:47.040 --> 1:40:49.160 it's going to be. It's going to be a movie. 1:40:50.520 --> 1:40:53.640 What you said, you, young punk is everything gonna start there. 1:40:53.680 --> 1:40:58.560 It don't matter man or woman what young punks an. 1:40:58.880 --> 1:41:03.719 The baby five, it's gonna do. Push me right, push 1:41:04.280 --> 1:41:06.479 or you can, but it's elderly abuse at that point, 1:41:07.080 --> 1:41:08.519 so you're the insurance. 1:41:08.600 --> 1:41:08.760 Yeah. 1:41:08.800 --> 1:41:11.320 Well okay, So this is actually a great segue because 1:41:11.360 --> 1:41:15.880 my next worst job was probably delivering food like Postmates. 1:41:15.960 --> 1:41:19.120 Okay, so I moved back out here. I was like, okay, 1:41:19.160 --> 1:41:20.000 I gotta be in La. 1:41:20.120 --> 1:41:21.639 This is where it's happening if I'm going to push 1:41:21.680 --> 1:41:24.000 my music forward, Like this is like I had outgrown 1:41:24.000 --> 1:41:24.839 Atlanta a little. 1:41:24.680 --> 1:41:26.839 Bit, and I was just hustling. 1:41:27.680 --> 1:41:30.200 And that's why I used to pray every time I 1:41:30.200 --> 1:41:32.080 got in the car, Please don't let me see anybody 1:41:32.120 --> 1:41:33.439 I know, because at this point I have a lot 1:41:33.479 --> 1:41:36.160 of industry relationships connects. I'm like, God, don't let me 1:41:36.200 --> 1:41:38.479 see nobody I know. And then I ended up one 1:41:38.520 --> 1:41:41.040 of my friend's names popped up on the thing. I'm like, Lord, 1:41:41.080 --> 1:41:45.160 I gotta go bring this sport some chicken. And why 1:41:45.320 --> 1:41:46.679 I texted myself, I'm about. 1:41:46.479 --> 1:41:48.519 To bring in your chicken. He was like, what are 1:41:48.520 --> 1:41:51.439 you talking about. I'm like, I'm your Postmaates driver, and 1:41:52.640 --> 1:41:53.320 we sat down. 1:41:53.439 --> 1:41:55.479 He was like, what's going on? Why are you doing this? 1:41:56.080 --> 1:41:58.880 Come to the studio tomorrow. I came to the studio 1:41:58.920 --> 1:42:02.000 the next day and made a song with him. His 1:42:02.200 --> 1:42:05.800 manager at the time came right after me and heard 1:42:05.840 --> 1:42:06.080 the song. 1:42:06.120 --> 1:42:07.000 I was like, who's this girl? 1:42:07.200 --> 1:42:09.720 So it'll pull up to you know, my office. He 1:42:09.840 --> 1:42:14.640 became my manager. He introduced me to back to D 1:42:15.280 --> 1:42:17.519 Yes whoa yeah that. 1:42:17.680 --> 1:42:21.840 My relationship with him ended up getting me signed to EPIC. 1:42:21.960 --> 1:42:23.360 Shout out to Zeke, who just. 1:42:23.680 --> 1:42:30.479 Yeah, absolutely, sir, Yeah, what a ceo. Chah, what a guy. 1:42:30.920 --> 1:42:31.479 You deserve it. 1:42:31.600 --> 1:42:32.240 Zeke, We love you. 1:42:33.040 --> 1:42:36.800 But Zeke signed me to my dialit Epic, and that's 1:42:36.800 --> 1:42:39.800 how I got reunited with d And I didn't even 1:42:39.920 --> 1:42:42.320 he had to remind me of the first time we met, 1:42:42.720 --> 1:42:47.879 which was crazy. I was seventeen yep and Fred Jerkins 1:42:48.080 --> 1:42:51.960 had discovered me online and flew me to Absecon, New Jersey, 1:42:52.160 --> 1:42:55.880 where he was getting his footing Absecon. 1:42:56.240 --> 1:42:59.200 Yeah, okay, I've never as you can tell, I've never 1:42:59.320 --> 1:43:07.160 been to abswh okay, go ahead, please proceed. 1:43:08.200 --> 1:43:11.760 And I met Lashawn Daniels during that. 1:43:16.080 --> 1:43:19.960 Man and he vocal produced me and and I demoed 1:43:20.000 --> 1:43:21.920 one of his songs there and it was just the 1:43:22.000 --> 1:43:30.559 most beautiful trip until until I had to I had 1:43:30.600 --> 1:43:37.559 to audition basically for Rodney and everybody, the Burchette sisters 1:43:37.600 --> 1:43:40.439 who were there at the time, amazing songwriters, and then 1:43:40.520 --> 1:43:41.160 d was in the room. 1:43:41.200 --> 1:43:43.400 I didn't even know, but he. 1:43:43.600 --> 1:43:47.320 Was there and I had to sing in front of everyone. 1:43:48.120 --> 1:43:50.920 I had a song called Little Sister that I would 1:43:51.000 --> 1:43:58.680 I would murder this song, but I think that was 1:43:58.720 --> 1:44:00.640 the song that I sang, just kids, just. 1:44:00.640 --> 1:44:05.120 Stay there, little sister. Yeah, are you singing about being 1:44:05.160 --> 1:44:05.840 a little sister? 1:44:06.160 --> 1:44:09.200 I was singing to my little sister. Yeah, Like it 1:44:09.360 --> 1:44:13.840 was like a very like comforting song at the time. 1:44:14.160 --> 1:44:15.559 I don't know it was working then. 1:44:17.280 --> 1:44:18.280 I'm just asking. 1:44:20.479 --> 1:44:25.040 But I started the song way too high and then 1:44:25.040 --> 1:44:28.080 when I got to the high part, I just collapsed. 1:44:28.160 --> 1:44:35.000 No way to go, Yeah, very dramatically. Yeah. And so 1:44:35.120 --> 1:44:37.320 everybody had to go around the room and say what 1:44:37.400 --> 1:44:38.680 they thought about my performance? 1:44:39.479 --> 1:44:42.479 Yeah, and what do church niggas mean? 1:44:43.040 --> 1:44:44.680 That's so funny that he's a church niggas, because they 1:44:44.680 --> 1:44:47.040 were like, you need to sing a gospel song next time, 1:44:47.240 --> 1:44:49.599 and you need to That was like most of the feedback. 1:44:49.800 --> 1:44:50.360 What did you say? 1:44:51.040 --> 1:44:52.920 I feel like I don't remember, but I feel like 1:44:53.000 --> 1:44:55.920 I just said something quick, like yeah, I liked it. 1:44:58.640 --> 1:45:03.479 I'm sure I didn't go into no absolutely, Yeah, I'm 1:45:03.560 --> 1:45:07.519 sure I didn't, but yeah, I do remember that definitely. 1:45:07.800 --> 1:45:12.760 But you know, fifteen years later, Yeah, I did. 1:45:12.680 --> 1:45:16.360 A whole project together when she was an epic, before 1:45:16.400 --> 1:45:19.160 we Go, Before we Go Deeper, and then, you know, 1:45:19.280 --> 1:45:23.280 it just kind of made sense too. Like our friendship, 1:45:23.320 --> 1:45:25.280 our working relationship has been here, so it was just 1:45:25.360 --> 1:45:28.439 like I definitely want to still work with you, but 1:45:28.600 --> 1:45:34.519 also starting a label. You know, it kind of made 1:45:35.200 --> 1:45:37.599 the stars aligned, the timing went, you know what I mean, 1:45:37.680 --> 1:45:41.599 and it just made sense, you know, so it happened. 1:45:41.960 --> 1:45:47.200 Asked who you delivered your chicken too? Yeah, I don't know. 1:45:49.400 --> 1:45:56.680 Back to the chicken from That's so funny. That's a 1:45:56.680 --> 1:45:57.120 good question. 1:45:57.200 --> 1:45:59.960 My friend Britton Newville. Shout out to him. And I'm 1:46:00.040 --> 1:46:03.439 a little songwriter. You just mentioned Olivia Dean. He you know, 1:46:03.520 --> 1:46:05.560 has worked with her and so many other people. But 1:46:06.160 --> 1:46:07.720 and he wrote CALLI Love with Me. 1:46:08.439 --> 1:46:10.479 Indeed. Yeah, shout out to Britain. 1:46:11.120 --> 1:46:15.000 Shout out to Britain who needed some chicken? And if 1:46:15.040 --> 1:46:15.680 you didn't this. 1:46:17.080 --> 1:46:19.519 It's crazy how it all works together. 1:46:20.320 --> 1:46:23.920 Mickey Mouse. If if you don't need you have to 1:46:24.000 --> 1:46:27.280 deliver that chicken that night, right, I want to. I 1:46:27.400 --> 1:46:31.120 want to expound on that a little bit though, And 1:46:31.200 --> 1:46:34.280 I don't want to glance over the fact that you 1:46:34.760 --> 1:46:38.559 came back and got a job, because no, no, don't 1:46:38.600 --> 1:46:42.200 row your eyes. Don't know, because even with the degree, 1:46:43.400 --> 1:46:49.360 with the right like, life is life. And I say that, 1:46:49.680 --> 1:46:52.800 and I said, don't roll your eyes, because so many 1:46:52.880 --> 1:46:57.000 of us in this industry get caught up thinking we 1:46:57.120 --> 1:47:01.760 can't work right, we can't have a job outside of 1:47:02.360 --> 1:47:07.479 working within the industry. And I just want to highlight 1:47:07.560 --> 1:47:10.560 that and tell you that I commend you for that, 1:47:10.800 --> 1:47:14.760 for putting your ego to the size all it is. 1:47:15.920 --> 1:47:19.120 All it is is ego for all of us, however 1:47:19.240 --> 1:47:21.720 we present our projector or whatever you want to call it. 1:47:22.479 --> 1:47:24.200 A lot of times it's just ego getting in a 1:47:24.280 --> 1:47:28.160 way of like, I gotta eat, take care of myself, 1:47:28.600 --> 1:47:30.400 and I got to I got to take care of 1:47:30.479 --> 1:47:33.240 myself to get to the points that I'm trying to 1:47:33.320 --> 1:47:37.400 get to without having to do things that are against 1:47:37.439 --> 1:47:40.519 my morals. Because having a job ain't against your morals. 1:47:41.760 --> 1:47:43.599 Some of these other things that people are doing are 1:47:43.600 --> 1:47:47.680 against morals, and they're moral compass. And sometimes when they 1:47:47.720 --> 1:47:50.719 don't like how that played out, now that's somebody else's 1:47:50.840 --> 1:47:55.280 fault instead of get your ass a job. And that's 1:47:55.320 --> 1:47:57.280 why I said, I wanted to highlight that and commend 1:47:57.360 --> 1:47:59.799 you for that and tell you I got the utmost 1:48:00.000 --> 1:48:04.160 expect for you. Thank you for doing that, because ninety 1:48:04.439 --> 1:48:10.439 five percent of the artists, the producer, the creatives with 1:48:10.600 --> 1:48:14.679 a starved or done something that that maybe they weren't 1:48:14.720 --> 1:48:18.519 proud of instead of getting a job. 1:48:18.920 --> 1:48:23.040 Right, I never wanted to have the struggling artist storyline 1:48:23.040 --> 1:48:24.680 where I'm like, well, sleeping out of my car like 1:48:24.760 --> 1:48:28.080 that would never Yeah, that never appealed to me. It's 1:48:28.120 --> 1:48:30.680 like I want to be able to eat, yeah, and 1:48:31.439 --> 1:48:33.479 before my show, clothes and whatever else. 1:48:33.520 --> 1:48:36.680 So I hustled. You were your your investor, you were 1:48:36.720 --> 1:48:38.400 invested in yourself. Would you get your. 1:48:38.360 --> 1:48:41.800 Degree in sociology and nonprofit because I was trying to 1:48:41.880 --> 1:48:42.719 change the world. 1:48:42.520 --> 1:48:45.040 And change the world. That's why we're doing songs called 1:48:45.120 --> 1:48:48.400 lesis because we want to we want to motivate the baby. 1:48:48.400 --> 1:48:53.080 Because I see what you was doing. Listen, I'll tell 1:48:53.080 --> 1:48:55.760 you I'll be doing this figuring it out. I'm like, oh, 1:48:56.080 --> 1:48:59.679 that's why I together why from the chicken to the yeah, 1:48:59.800 --> 1:49:02.799 this saying because sometimes you got to deliver the chicken 1:49:02.880 --> 1:49:05.519 to get to the chicken. So now that we're here 1:49:05.840 --> 1:49:10.240 and we're getting to the chicken, right subject to change. 1:49:11.680 --> 1:49:17.120 Marmulaye rain on me hollow. How does it feel to 1:49:17.280 --> 1:49:21.120 be in this space now and doing your project, signed 1:49:21.200 --> 1:49:24.599 to a major label, signed to one of my favorite 1:49:24.640 --> 1:49:29.400 producers in the world, Graig, How does that feel for 1:49:29.479 --> 1:49:31.920 you now to have that you know that moment. 1:49:32.160 --> 1:49:35.320 I mean, I think it's the greatest stamp of approval. 1:49:35.479 --> 1:49:38.320 And I think with all of the ups and downs 1:49:38.360 --> 1:49:42.960 and discouragements, I mean, who better to validate me and 1:49:43.200 --> 1:49:47.160 give me an opportunity than the greatest the goat, my 1:49:47.320 --> 1:49:50.880 favorite producer and such a great person, you know. So 1:49:51.120 --> 1:49:54.080 I feel extremely grateful and I feel like I need 1:49:54.240 --> 1:49:58.880 to show up in every possible way to maximize this opportunity. 1:49:59.120 --> 1:50:02.200 You know, make the best songs I can make, have 1:50:02.439 --> 1:50:04.840 the best energy I can have when I walk into 1:50:04.920 --> 1:50:06.920 a room, and just like give my all to this 1:50:07.000 --> 1:50:08.880 opportunity because it's. 1:50:08.760 --> 1:50:09.599 Been a long journey. 1:50:09.880 --> 1:50:11.200 Yeah, what do you see for yourself? 1:50:11.520 --> 1:50:15.519 I see hit song? Come on, come on, I see 1:50:15.640 --> 1:50:17.800 some of them Grammys and Oscars. 1:50:18.960 --> 1:50:20.840 You should, you should? You should, like steal one. 1:50:21.560 --> 1:50:23.840 Yeah, just borrow one, just for the manifestation of it all. 1:50:24.720 --> 1:50:30.040 Just keep it and he won't even know it's gone. 1:50:31.960 --> 1:50:32.519 So generous. 1:50:33.200 --> 1:50:35.320 Just put it, you know, put on your knights then 1:50:36.120 --> 1:50:39.519 just look at it. Yeah. No, I never I never 1:50:39.600 --> 1:50:43.840 forget being at at at David Foster's house and he 1:50:44.000 --> 1:50:45.280 was using one as a paperweight. 1:50:46.040 --> 1:50:49.759 Flex by the way, nice flex. David Foster. 1:50:50.880 --> 1:50:54.559 Linda invited me bro yep. You know I was young. 1:50:54.680 --> 1:50:57.160 I was writing cool records and she was like, you 1:50:57.240 --> 1:50:59.559 think you can write those records with me and David 1:51:00.800 --> 1:51:05.679 Hell yeah, invite me over right. Sheeshus has a paperweight. 1:51:06.520 --> 1:51:11.640 It's possible to do so much that sometimes it's just 1:51:11.800 --> 1:51:16.200 holding down the paper that was poetry. This ship is, 1:51:16.439 --> 1:51:19.960 you know, the opportunities that we get in this is 1:51:21.720 --> 1:51:24.800 it's as endless as we wanted to be. So to 1:51:25.640 --> 1:51:30.840 see you now, same girl. I saw writing for other people, 1:51:31.040 --> 1:51:33.479 and now you've been able to write those songs for yourself. 1:51:33.920 --> 1:51:37.000 It's really cool. And this is one of my favorite 1:51:37.040 --> 1:51:42.679 parts of the music business. Everybody has their stories, everybody has. 1:51:44.080 --> 1:51:45.040 The horror of it all. 1:51:45.400 --> 1:51:48.200 I don't. I don't because I get to see this 1:51:49.000 --> 1:51:51.320 and I get to see people be you know, put 1:51:52.080 --> 1:51:55.759 in a spotlight. And now I've been able to create 1:51:56.080 --> 1:52:00.720 something with my business partner that magnifies that. 1:52:00.880 --> 1:52:02.679 Like yeah, yep. 1:52:02.920 --> 1:52:05.519 So I'm thankful and I'm thankful for y'all even being 1:52:05.600 --> 1:52:07.439 here and for you know, and thankful for you man 1:52:07.479 --> 1:52:09.120 man being able to pull up to y'all studio and 1:52:09.680 --> 1:52:12.479 hang out with y'all and talk about the journey and 1:52:13.080 --> 1:52:16.439 and be early. Yeah, right, because I feel like this 1:52:16.640 --> 1:52:19.519 is early. This is early for me, and we've been 1:52:19.600 --> 1:52:23.360 early on a few projects where it's like Coco Jones, 1:52:24.560 --> 1:52:28.320 she's about to get cracking. Leon Thomas, he about to 1:52:28.360 --> 1:52:31.280 get cracking, you know what I'm saying. Like that makes 1:52:31.320 --> 1:52:33.680 me feel really good that you know, they did their 1:52:33.720 --> 1:52:38.800 interviews even before the full breakout. Yea, So thank you, 1:52:39.320 --> 1:52:41.599 thank you for pulling up this is this is really cool. 1:52:41.640 --> 1:52:44.960 I'm excited, proud of you. Thank you. I appreciate that. 1:52:45.640 --> 1:52:48.759 Just trying to be the king of the pivot without trialing, 1:52:48.800 --> 1:52:51.360 you know what I mean, Keep keep that foot down 1:52:51.400 --> 1:52:53.400 and kid, keep that right one. You know what I mean, 1:52:53.479 --> 1:52:54.120 That right one. 1:52:54.080 --> 1:52:54.600 Gonna keep me. 1:52:55.000 --> 1:52:58.000 It's gonna skateboard be the where I gotta go. But 1:52:58.880 --> 1:53:00.640 but this is This is really cool to see that 1:53:00.760 --> 1:53:04.479 you guys now have this label. I'm always in support 1:53:04.680 --> 1:53:08.080 of us having our own and creating our own things 1:53:09.840 --> 1:53:12.160 and talking to the La Reads of the world and 1:53:12.439 --> 1:53:17.680 Babyface and Snoop and label owners people who've you know, 1:53:18.080 --> 1:53:20.880 done their thing at a very high level. It's just 1:53:21.120 --> 1:53:25.760 it's Tie Dolla sign. Yeah, Like I was on here 1:53:25.880 --> 1:53:29.760 talking about his label now him and Sean Baron, you 1:53:29.800 --> 1:53:33.320 know what I'm saying, Like, it's incredible that we're in 1:53:33.479 --> 1:53:38.519 those positions now and I would love to look up 1:53:39.400 --> 1:53:41.920 ten years from now you're like, oh yeah, Jay, so 1:53:42.320 --> 1:53:46.559 but come on, and I'm gonna bring my new artists. Right. 1:53:48.560 --> 1:53:51.040 So we're supposed to do We're supposed to be able 1:53:51.080 --> 1:53:52.680 to give back, We're supposed to be able to reach 1:53:52.760 --> 1:53:54.479 back to our people, and I think you have been 1:53:55.479 --> 1:53:58.200 a testament of that, an example of that of the 1:53:58.439 --> 1:54:02.639 artists that you've worked with. And if it's Lucky Day, 1:54:03.320 --> 1:54:07.960 if it's Victoria Monete, if it's India Sean artists that 1:54:08.400 --> 1:54:10.600 maybe some people in the industry knew already. 1:54:10.439 --> 1:54:12.519 Yeah, they were just all my real friends. 1:54:13.160 --> 1:54:15.280 And then I'm all with helping your friends, right, I 1:54:15.400 --> 1:54:17.120 gotta figure out some shift. He to help me with 1:54:18.200 --> 1:54:22.320 where's my where's my Haitian? Patti's at? You promised me 1:54:22.400 --> 1:54:23.680 some Haitian man. 1:54:23.760 --> 1:54:24.040 That's all. 1:54:24.280 --> 1:54:28.200 But now I gotta get controversial. So are you better 1:54:28.280 --> 1:54:33.640 than why Cleft? Who? Who's Who's the key man the 1:54:34.000 --> 1:54:38.920 Haitian producers? Oh, he's the man. I can't compare ship 1:54:39.200 --> 1:54:42.520 what you're doing versus against against guys black. 1:54:44.120 --> 1:54:45.400 Actually that's the thought. 1:54:46.440 --> 1:54:48.680 The Haitian versus would be crazy. 1:54:49.160 --> 1:54:49.800 I would go up. 1:54:50.120 --> 1:54:52.960 You think what it would he come out with his guitar, 1:54:53.520 --> 1:54:56.240 You and your daddy come out? Did he bring out 1:54:56.320 --> 1:54:59.640 Jerry Wonder? And he got the family versus? He wins? 1:54:59.720 --> 1:55:00.880 Man, he wins? 1:55:00.960 --> 1:55:01.240 I mean. 1:55:03.120 --> 1:55:07.600 Bro right, you got jam Bro, But man, he did 1:55:07.640 --> 1:55:10.400 the foes. He had his own soul ship. 1:55:11.000 --> 1:55:12.520 Someone please call nine one one. 1:55:12.960 --> 1:55:13.800 What are we talking about? 1:55:14.120 --> 1:55:17.640 I got the Santana's joint, my god, City high. 1:55:17.800 --> 1:55:19.080 I was just thinking about cut where. 1:55:19.480 --> 1:55:22.880 Yeah, I get your ass, man, Bro, I just might 1:55:22.960 --> 1:55:24.480 have set you up saying it here. I might have 1:55:24.560 --> 1:55:27.360 set you up to get bro. I'm not. 1:55:27.560 --> 1:55:30.400 I'm not even gonna even say nothing else. Like I 1:55:30.440 --> 1:55:31.600 already know why Cleft? 1:55:33.200 --> 1:55:35.160 You know, wait for you to get in the hot seat. Bro. 1:55:35.360 --> 1:55:39.240 We talked, We talked. This is this is egging you on. 1:55:39.480 --> 1:55:40.520 I'm talking ship. 1:55:40.480 --> 1:55:41.320 Pull up, pull up? 1:55:49.880 --> 1:55:51.840 So tickie, what you got for me? Man? You got 1:55:51.920 --> 1:56:00.560 you got any cool cool ship? Man? Yeah, I'm fun. 1:56:00.600 --> 1:56:01.080 I'll take it. 1:56:01.160 --> 1:56:01.800 So time. 1:56:03.200 --> 1:56:04.600 T fun. 1:56:07.600 --> 1:56:17.600 You're dousing us all and me songs. You got to 1:56:17.840 --> 1:56:22.880 know me? No, you go, They're wrong this show. Nobody 1:56:23.040 --> 1:56:24.400 want to know. They want to know you. 1:56:27.840 --> 1:56:39.280 Ees you. 1:56:42.880 --> 1:56:43.040 Fu? 1:56:46.560 --> 1:56:48.240 Yeah, my good. 1:56:51.680 --> 1:56:53.600 So we had this special party show. Would you tell 1:56:53.760 --> 1:56:59.760 us your Yeah, he's still going not the London Yeah, yeah, 1:56:59.760 --> 1:57:01.959 he gonna. He's gonna do his bend knee. 1:57:01.720 --> 1:57:02.120 At the end. 1:57:02.680 --> 1:57:05.400 Will you tell us your top five R and B 1:57:05.520 --> 1:57:10.600 singers and your top five R and B songs? We 1:57:10.760 --> 1:57:14.960 want to know? Just want to go first one, Let's 1:57:15.040 --> 1:57:16.640 let's go singers. Let's go singers. 1:57:17.240 --> 1:57:23.040 I feel like that's tougher, all right, So let's go songs. 1:57:23.120 --> 1:57:25.240 I gotta say usher, I'm trying to think which song? 1:57:25.720 --> 1:57:28.080 See you even found the artist? Yeah? 1:57:28.720 --> 1:57:31.320 For me, I love Superstar. 1:57:31.840 --> 1:57:34.400 Superstar is amazing, It's so good, it's amazing. 1:57:34.920 --> 1:57:37.360 And you worked with us, Yes, I did, I did. 1:57:37.680 --> 1:57:41.240 I wish I did some on the Confession's album. But well, 1:57:41.280 --> 1:57:41.840 I was too young. 1:57:42.320 --> 1:57:43.720 Don't we all know I was old enough, but. 1:57:45.400 --> 1:57:50.480 Make it. Let's go with that. So superstar, superstar, Okay, 1:57:51.160 --> 1:57:55.280 I need a Baker Mmm okay, sweet love. 1:57:57.560 --> 1:57:59.760 You know Kevi on stage didn't know who Anita Baker 1:57:59.880 --> 1:58:02.720 was until like a couple of years. No way, Yeah, 1:58:03.160 --> 1:58:05.600 you know, I'm still I'm still taking shots that you 1:58:05.680 --> 1:58:11.839 can church Nigga's church Nigga too. But he know Anita 1:58:11.920 --> 1:58:16.200 Baker is sweet love. Okay, so sweet love? 1:58:16.480 --> 1:58:19.520 Yeah, just because I grew up on that, Like that's 1:58:19.560 --> 1:58:22.320 what my mom used to listen to her. No stop, 1:58:23.200 --> 1:58:25.720 there was another one. Pick one of hers? 1:58:26.320 --> 1:58:27.200 You know you pick? 1:58:27.320 --> 1:58:28.880 I know anyone is good. 1:58:29.080 --> 1:58:35.560 Your demile Okay, it's not d mouth Valentine's top five. 1:58:35.880 --> 1:58:43.600 I was talking to them, all right, I got my one. 1:58:43.720 --> 1:58:44.680 I'm just trying to save it. 1:58:44.760 --> 1:58:48.600 And are you trying to save yeah? I got playing 1:58:48.640 --> 1:58:54.480 spade to hold a big joke all right, Okay. 1:58:54.560 --> 1:58:56.440 Man, I'm on the spot. I can't think of nothing 1:58:56.760 --> 1:59:03.200 me see gone? Was you know what? That's pop? Though? 1:59:03.600 --> 1:59:04.760 Listen, that is not pop. 1:59:05.040 --> 1:59:05.080 No. 1:59:05.160 --> 1:59:06.320 I was gonna say you. 1:59:06.320 --> 1:59:08.720 Could say something of them ship you wow? Now that 1:59:09.520 --> 1:59:12.280 it is funny because I hate God actually hate celebrity. 1:59:12.320 --> 1:59:14.720 I own such a huge Justin timerlay fan first off, 1:59:15.120 --> 1:59:17.480 so I feel like I gotta throw him in there. 1:59:18.560 --> 1:59:23.240 Gone is so good. But man, that first first Fire albums, yeah, 1:59:23.520 --> 1:59:27.640 Justified and honestly Future sex Less Sounds. I feel like 1:59:27.680 --> 1:59:29.600 that changed my whole life. So I want to throw 1:59:30.240 --> 1:59:35.840 throw something in there till the end of time. Yeah, 1:59:36.640 --> 1:59:38.280 till the end of time. It's one of them in 1:59:38.400 --> 1:59:41.160 this life. Yeah, and there's so many more. So this 1:59:41.280 --> 1:59:42.640 is like, the top five is kind of hard for me. 1:59:42.880 --> 1:59:45.040 I'm not good at this. So if anybody mad at 1:59:45.160 --> 1:59:48.880 my top five, you exactly. 1:59:48.960 --> 1:59:51.760 Right, enough records and you come on here and do 1:59:51.880 --> 1:59:55.560 your top five right now. It's the Miles top. 1:59:55.440 --> 1:59:58.560 Five, right, I'm listening, Oh my god, Earth when fire, Yes, 1:59:58.880 --> 2:00:02.640 come on, come on Earthman, the Fire? Which one do 2:00:02.720 --> 2:00:04.120 I pick on? 2:00:04.480 --> 2:00:04.959 Musicians? 2:00:05.000 --> 2:00:05.360 Reasons? 2:00:05.920 --> 2:00:06.960 Reasons that we're here. 2:00:07.120 --> 2:00:11.080 Yep, dah, I could have done some Steve five is 2:00:11.120 --> 2:00:14.800 not enough, Yeah, that's for it, And that was the 2:00:14.840 --> 2:00:20.360 big joker. The joker for me is Michael Jackson Human Nature. 2:00:21.880 --> 2:00:24.280 Get no hands down. I don't know how many times 2:00:24.280 --> 2:00:30.280 you've seen this show, but Michael Jackson common No, I 2:00:30.320 --> 2:00:33.680 don't think it's common, but it's it's definitely been used. 2:00:34.440 --> 2:00:37.879 But it's a lot of Michael Jackson records that people. 2:00:38.200 --> 2:00:40.640 You know, yeah for me, and I'm mad at the 2:00:40.760 --> 2:00:41.240 name Prince. 2:00:41.320 --> 2:00:42.920 Oh my god, what what you got? What you got? 2:00:43.600 --> 2:00:46.400 The first two songs. So I'm gonna say this, I 2:00:46.520 --> 2:00:47.600 was tripping as a kid. 2:00:48.000 --> 2:00:49.600 I did not like Prince. I don't know what the 2:00:49.680 --> 2:00:53.400 fuck I was thinking, but I had this guy. He 2:00:53.520 --> 2:00:56.520 was naked on a horse. I don't know. 2:00:57.240 --> 2:00:59.840 I had this guy that he was an engineer. He 2:00:59.920 --> 2:01:03.560 was I think he's still around Pat Viola who put 2:01:03.680 --> 2:01:06.640 me on to two songs I did not even know 2:01:07.640 --> 2:01:10.640 from him, and that was Ballad a Ballad of Dorothy 2:01:10.720 --> 2:01:13.120 Parker and if I was your girlfriend. I was like 2:01:13.200 --> 2:01:14.560 thirteen fourteen when I heard him for the. 2:01:14.560 --> 2:01:17.560 First That's a wild record, right, And then his version of. 2:01:17.560 --> 2:01:20.080 How Come you Don't Call Me? Because I was I'm 2:01:20.120 --> 2:01:23.200 a huge Alicia Keys fan, and I heard her version. 2:01:23.280 --> 2:01:25.480 I didn't even realize it was really his song, you 2:01:25.520 --> 2:01:28.040 know what I mean. But then from that I was 2:01:28.160 --> 2:01:31.560 just like, oh my god. I got to go see 2:01:31.640 --> 2:01:35.320 him in concert at Madison Square Garden. Shortly after that, 2:01:36.440 --> 2:01:38.120 me and my friend at the time we were like 2:01:38.160 --> 2:01:43.720 fourteen and Nigga everything of his. But if I want 2:01:43.760 --> 2:01:45.800 to add a bonus like one of those songs. But 2:01:46.760 --> 2:01:51.640 seventeen Days is great too. Purple Rain though, yeah, yeah right, 2:01:51.720 --> 2:01:56.000 talk twelve But human nature, human nature. I just feel 2:01:56.080 --> 2:01:59.400 like when I hear that song, I feel like that 2:01:59.480 --> 2:02:02.839 shit came from heaven. Like they didn't weren't in the studio, 2:02:03.360 --> 2:02:05.480 they didn't fucking like you know Toto. 2:02:05.320 --> 2:02:07.480 Is and yeah, it makes you smile. 2:02:07.560 --> 2:02:11.120 It just sounds like it just happened. And I don't. 2:02:11.120 --> 2:02:12.880 I don't think I've ever heard another record that felt 2:02:12.920 --> 2:02:13.320 like that to me. 2:02:14.000 --> 2:02:17.760 M Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, because you have that make 2:02:17.840 --> 2:02:18.600 people feel that way. 2:02:18.640 --> 2:02:25.440 Well, I'm glad, like all right, Yeah, And Christy is 2:02:25.480 --> 2:02:26.800 my favorite producer of all time. 2:02:27.320 --> 2:02:30.680 Top five singers singers because I'll let you do it backwards, 2:02:30.720 --> 2:02:33.280 so it usually stop five singers, stop five songs. 2:02:34.160 --> 2:02:41.520 Yeah, this song's guyon alright, carry Okay, we get right 2:02:41.560 --> 2:02:44.080 to it. It doesn't matter if it's older than you. Right, 2:02:44.280 --> 2:02:45.920 I want to throw whoever. I want to throw jazz and. 2:02:46.400 --> 2:02:49.800 Oh come on, why not have to what my favorite? 2:02:49.840 --> 2:02:50.240 I love her? 2:02:50.840 --> 2:02:56.880 Put Aretha in there, Aretha Frank you like mm hm. Oh, 2:02:56.960 --> 2:02:59.920 Donnie Hathaway, that's so cold fire. 2:03:00.200 --> 2:03:04.960 Yeah, that is a cold five. I like it. No 2:03:05.160 --> 2:03:10.920 arguments for me, Now your vote? Ron, Oh yeah, you 2:03:11.040 --> 2:03:15.880 build the ultimate R and B superstar. Mm hmm. You're 2:03:15.960 --> 2:03:22.800 taking the vocals, performance performance style, the styling, the close, 2:03:22.920 --> 2:03:28.000 the drip, and the passion. So those four elements that 2:03:28.200 --> 2:03:33.120 make this super R and B unicorn icon. Right. Who's 2:03:33.120 --> 2:03:33.480 gonna sing? 2:03:34.080 --> 2:03:35.920 Mm hm? I'm thinking like super R and B. But 2:03:35.960 --> 2:03:39.760 I want to poppy kind of voice that that you 2:03:39.840 --> 2:03:40.840 know can reach the world. 2:03:41.080 --> 2:03:42.120 Who got the real voice? 2:03:42.120 --> 2:03:44.960 I mean, Michael did it, So I'll go with Michael. 2:03:45.800 --> 2:03:53.960 Michael Jackson, Tito little brother right singing the song right, performance. 2:03:53.400 --> 2:03:58.560 Style Michael, But I'm gonna say it makes the Michael, 2:03:58.920 --> 2:04:01.440 Chris and Usher. I don't know if I could do that, 2:04:01.640 --> 2:04:04.000 but yes, all of them put together. 2:04:04.160 --> 2:04:06.400 So that okay, so that's a triple threat performance. 2:04:07.440 --> 2:04:08.600 But I also want a musician. 2:04:09.440 --> 2:04:13.680 Yeah, okay, I like that, Prince. So those four are 2:04:13.800 --> 2:04:14.840 just prints some. 2:04:14.960 --> 2:04:19.080 More so they dancing, do all the ship, but also 2:04:19.120 --> 2:04:21.400 play every instrument. Fu it, it's my ship. 2:04:23.000 --> 2:04:25.320 That's fine, that's fine, fine. 2:04:27.880 --> 2:04:29.840 What they can dress like as far as he was 2:04:29.960 --> 2:04:31.800 not friends today. I don't know if that would works. 2:04:31.800 --> 2:04:33.840 I actually think it would work today, you think so, yeah, 2:04:33.960 --> 2:04:35.400 you just gotta be really great. I would be. 2:04:35.480 --> 2:04:36.880 I feel like it would be today's version of that. 2:04:37.120 --> 2:04:39.800 You've got to be great? Yeah, you got it and 2:04:39.960 --> 2:04:43.280 own it? Absolutely, that'd be great. All right? So who 2:04:43.360 --> 2:04:46.120 got the drip? For you? If you for this artist 2:04:46.160 --> 2:04:46.840 that we're talking about? 2:04:46.880 --> 2:04:51.400 Though, I loved Kanye's drip? Okay, I know that probably 2:04:51.560 --> 2:04:53.600 is like a but man. 2:04:55.240 --> 2:04:59.200 Which version? Yeah, because you don't want this artist to 2:04:59.240 --> 2:05:02.640 look No, I don't. I don't want that version because 2:05:02.680 --> 2:05:05.080 that was a version. Yeah, are you want to put 2:05:05.080 --> 2:05:05.840 a pink polo on? 2:05:06.080 --> 2:05:09.320 Kind of like the the the Ano weights and heartbreak? 2:05:10.000 --> 2:05:12.040 So the window shield glasses. 2:05:12.440 --> 2:05:14.360 Yeah, that was kind of fire at least for at 2:05:14.440 --> 2:05:17.320 least for a novel. Maybe not the whole. I'm rolling with, 2:05:17.400 --> 2:05:18.000 you know what I'm saying. 2:05:18.120 --> 2:05:21.960 But Kanye, Yeah, I'll just leave that. I mean, he 2:05:22.080 --> 2:05:24.920 sold the most shoes any artists of all time and 2:05:25.120 --> 2:05:28.760 closing ship. So I'm rolling Who's passion? It's something about 2:05:28.800 --> 2:05:31.360 Jazzmine Man very passionate. 2:05:32.480 --> 2:05:37.360 I feel like even with like how her acrobatics and 2:05:37.400 --> 2:05:39.120 everything that she does I don't think she's doing it 2:05:39.200 --> 2:05:39.680 to show off. 2:05:39.840 --> 2:05:42.680 No, she's doing it because it's really that's what comes 2:05:42.720 --> 2:05:45.560 out exactly. I agree with you, bro, So. 2:05:47.720 --> 2:05:49.800 Yeah, if that makes sense, maybe I'll just. 2:05:52.360 --> 2:05:55.560 And I'm gonna throw a curveball at you who producing 2:05:55.600 --> 2:05:58.320 this artist? Me, Well, I guess. 2:06:01.040 --> 2:06:01.640 I'm gonna do it. 2:06:02.800 --> 2:06:06.160 You shure as your ship. I think he isn't her 2:06:06.200 --> 2:06:10.839 records of that, right, I believe in you, right, Michael's 2:06:10.920 --> 2:06:16.200 voice and your production. Maybe he asked ship the mixture 2:06:16.320 --> 2:06:19.600 of the twelve niggas that's performing. He mixed a lot 2:06:19.640 --> 2:06:22.640 of people. It was a lot. I don't know about 2:06:22.640 --> 2:06:25.320 the window shield glasses for this artist. I don't know. 2:06:25.600 --> 2:06:29.240 But Kanye is the guy, so I have no argument 2:06:29.280 --> 2:06:35.600 on all right, Ticky, what else we got? Mhm, ain't 2:06:35.640 --> 2:06:39.240 saying no niggas a saying no names. Ain't saying no 2:06:39.440 --> 2:06:46.560 names saying no names. You don't say. 2:06:50.480 --> 2:06:51.160 A saying. 2:06:56.560 --> 2:07:00.720 Yeah. My personal favorite part of the show where you 2:07:00.840 --> 2:07:04.720 tell us a story funny or fucked up? Are funny 2:07:04.920 --> 2:07:08.640 and fucked up? The only rude to the game. D 2:07:08.840 --> 2:07:10.200 Mile can't say no names? 2:07:10.520 --> 2:07:13.120 Right? This might sort of be a giveaway, but it's 2:07:13.160 --> 2:07:15.200 a funny story. So I'm still not going to say 2:07:15.240 --> 2:07:19.440 the name, but I'm gonna share the story. Before I 2:07:19.640 --> 2:07:23.280 moved out here, it was me and two other friends 2:07:23.320 --> 2:07:28.000 of mine that we're in the process of moving out 2:07:28.000 --> 2:07:31.000 here and trying to figure out how we're going to 2:07:31.080 --> 2:07:33.440 do that and live and all that stuff, because you know, 2:07:33.520 --> 2:07:36.440 at the time, we don't know what LA is. We 2:07:36.840 --> 2:07:38.920 think it's gonna be too expensive, all these things, blah 2:07:38.920 --> 2:07:43.080 blah blah blah. And got a call for somebody who's 2:07:43.120 --> 2:07:47.880 out here that we were working with, and he said 2:07:47.920 --> 2:07:55.160 that he would help us with getting finding a place 2:07:55.480 --> 2:08:04.160 and go half on is going right, go half on 2:08:04.320 --> 2:08:07.440 it with the three of us, and we came out here. 2:08:08.600 --> 2:08:10.960 He said he actually he said he had it already, 2:08:11.320 --> 2:08:13.240 like he had a place for us already. 2:08:14.240 --> 2:08:15.280 So we came out here. 2:08:16.960 --> 2:08:19.600 And we're trying to figure out, Okay, where are we staying. 2:08:20.960 --> 2:08:23.640 We end up staying at uh. I don't even know 2:08:23.680 --> 2:08:25.320 how to describe this, and I don't want to even 2:08:25.360 --> 2:08:29.080 get rid the name of that place. But it's a. 2:08:30.600 --> 2:08:35.960 Church out here in la But y'all staying at the church, Yeah. 2:08:35.800 --> 2:08:38.320 Well they have. So it's a church that also has 2:08:38.480 --> 2:08:42.280 like a place for trouble. 2:08:42.000 --> 2:08:44.040 Kids to be missionary. Yeah. 2:08:46.000 --> 2:08:47.920 It was a place for like kids like like they 2:08:48.160 --> 2:08:50.800 you know that probably had like a bad life and 2:08:51.160 --> 2:08:52.520 you know, trying to change their life around. 2:08:53.600 --> 2:08:57.960 Yeah kind of time. You guys are foster kids now, 2:08:58.200 --> 2:09:01.920 I mean we might as well have been. Okay, I'm following. 2:09:02.000 --> 2:09:04.200 I'm just I'm asking because I need to know some 2:09:04.320 --> 2:09:07.120 stuff sometimes. Yeah, so staying at the church. 2:09:07.360 --> 2:09:10.960 Yeah, they have a bigger building, which it's it used 2:09:11.000 --> 2:09:14.080 to be a hospital, so it still just like a hospital. Yeah, 2:09:14.400 --> 2:09:16.320 you could see it coming off to one on one. 2:09:16.800 --> 2:09:18.440 You probably know what I might be talking. 2:09:18.480 --> 2:09:20.640 Okay, anyway, you stay at the hospital. 2:09:21.200 --> 2:09:23.640 Yeah, but that's where all the kids stay. They lived 2:09:23.680 --> 2:09:27.200 and all that stuff. Every room has bunk beds and 2:09:27.480 --> 2:09:31.400 like shared showers. I think, like, you know, I was 2:09:31.480 --> 2:09:38.040 just like, okay, were I was twenty four Okay, okay. 2:09:38.160 --> 2:09:39.560 I think when I moved out of here all right, 2:09:39.680 --> 2:09:44.560 twenty three, twenty four, and we were in that place 2:09:44.680 --> 2:09:52.000 for like a few days, a few days, and at 2:09:52.120 --> 2:09:54.600 first I was like, man, this is crazy. We're out here, 2:09:54.600 --> 2:09:57.880 We're in LA I'm like, I'm not even thinking about like, yeah, 2:09:58.080 --> 2:09:59.680 I was still I was kind of blown away by 2:10:00.080 --> 2:10:01.600 what the church was doing. I thought it was great 2:10:02.120 --> 2:10:05.880 and all that stuff. I remember calling right focusing on 2:10:06.400 --> 2:10:08.360 I see you to get out of everything. Sometimes. I 2:10:08.440 --> 2:10:11.760 remember calling my partners back home, brother Shawn and brother 2:10:11.840 --> 2:10:15.560 Collins and kind of telling him like where we at 2:10:15.600 --> 2:10:17.520 and how you know how it's been so far. 2:10:18.560 --> 2:10:20.240 And I'm telling him like, yeah, they got this and 2:10:20.280 --> 2:10:20.640 they got that. 2:10:20.720 --> 2:10:26.760 And You're like, nigga, are you at a foster? And 2:10:26.880 --> 2:10:33.040 I'm like, nonah, but it's different. The church is there, right, 2:10:34.360 --> 2:10:37.440 So I'm like after thinking about it, and I was 2:10:37.560 --> 2:10:39.440 mad at them at first, and I'm like, man, they. 2:10:39.320 --> 2:10:43.480 Don't get it, man, they don't care. They're trying to 2:10:43.520 --> 2:10:47.560 tell me, brouh, this is not at home. Man. 2:10:48.560 --> 2:10:50.920 Hindsight, I was just like, damn no, he really did 2:10:51.040 --> 2:10:54.160 put us up there. And it's just like and then, man, 2:10:54.200 --> 2:10:56.360 there's another side to the story too that makes it 2:10:56.440 --> 2:10:59.080 a little worse. So one of us, out of the 2:10:59.120 --> 2:11:03.280 three of us that moved out there was not, for 2:11:03.400 --> 2:11:05.360 whatever reason, allowed to stay with us. 2:11:06.080 --> 2:11:09.400 We didn't know that, like we were. We all flew 2:11:09.480 --> 2:11:10.240 out for this guy. 2:11:12.360 --> 2:11:14.160 But this one dude, I guess because he was like 2:11:14.320 --> 2:11:20.280 newer on the on the squad, or whatever. He there 2:11:20.360 --> 2:11:23.000 was some weird, some weirdness going on over there, but 2:11:23.480 --> 2:11:26.000 we were like, yo, just come with us, just stay 2:11:26.040 --> 2:11:27.760 with us. I mean, it makes sense. We all going 2:11:27.840 --> 2:11:29.160 to the same place. We all out here for the 2:11:29.200 --> 2:11:35.080 same reason. The next morning, pull up to our first 2:11:35.120 --> 2:11:39.120 day of work, first day of studio, and said person 2:11:39.280 --> 2:11:44.360 sends dude home, ors like just like away, you gotta 2:11:44.360 --> 2:11:46.680 figure it out kind of thing. I'm like, what's going on? 2:11:47.080 --> 2:11:50.000 And we go up, me and the other person and 2:11:50.760 --> 2:11:54.680 basically get in trouble for letting him stay with us, 2:11:55.080 --> 2:12:02.120 which is a place that's right. I'm like what okay. 2:12:02.680 --> 2:12:05.280 So that was weird and that dude had to figure 2:12:05.280 --> 2:12:07.600 it out because he actually flew out on his own 2:12:08.360 --> 2:12:10.680 just trying to you know, I guess you're going to 2:12:10.720 --> 2:12:13.040 make it, trying to make it, and so he had 2:12:13.080 --> 2:12:18.720 to just make calls to anybody who he didn't really 2:12:18.800 --> 2:12:20.320 know anybody out there, but he knew a friend of 2:12:20.360 --> 2:12:22.160 a friend that let him stay in the back of 2:12:22.280 --> 2:12:24.160 something that wasn't and we were really part of it. 2:12:24.280 --> 2:12:24.960 Was. It was crazy. 2:12:25.560 --> 2:12:28.680 So yeah, that that was like my first experience moving 2:12:28.720 --> 2:12:32.240 out to LA and we didn't have a house. After 2:12:32.320 --> 2:12:33.680 all of that we still had to live on our 2:12:33.680 --> 2:12:37.280 own crib, which, hindsight, I'm glad we ended up doing 2:12:37.280 --> 2:12:42.000 it ourselves because now you know, we didn't owe anybody nothing. 2:12:41.960 --> 2:12:46.200 Right, right, So but yeah, the thing that lured you 2:12:46.320 --> 2:12:49.920 here was, oh, it's going to be easier because he 2:12:50.040 --> 2:12:52.600 got half. All we got to come up with is this, 2:12:52.800 --> 2:12:55.280 and he already got the spot, right, y'all don't know 2:12:55.400 --> 2:12:59.200 y'all going to live at the hospital, right exactly? Y'all 2:12:59.280 --> 2:12:59.920 know when you're here. 2:13:00.560 --> 2:13:06.240 I think it was two weeks, sh okay, it was 2:13:06.280 --> 2:13:09.400 two weeks we found and luckily, you know. 2:13:12.680 --> 2:13:16.760 On the bunk bed, on the hospital bunk bed for 2:13:16.920 --> 2:13:20.400 two weeks after you told me that you had something. 2:13:20.640 --> 2:13:27.680 Oh man, the violence in me. Yeah, yeah, that's probably 2:13:27.720 --> 2:13:29.960 why I don't got all the hit records you got. 2:13:31.680 --> 2:13:35.400 I would have whooped that nigga. I already know at 2:13:35.480 --> 2:13:36.480 some point it's. 2:13:36.360 --> 2:13:38.960 Part of the story. I mean, what you did. No, 2:13:40.800 --> 2:13:44.000 I mean some of us might have wanted to know 2:13:44.200 --> 2:13:47.400 we did. Everything else was good after that. 2:13:47.760 --> 2:13:50.720 Okay, but then it worked out. Did you ever just 2:13:50.840 --> 2:13:54.720 keep it real though? Like, bro, I didn't. No, I 2:13:54.840 --> 2:13:55.920 just need you to come out here. 2:13:56.400 --> 2:13:59.320 Yeah. No, it was just like they figured out right 2:14:00.040 --> 2:14:04.840 and we did, which is yep. And then yeah, so 2:14:05.040 --> 2:14:07.400 that's I guess that's it. That was, That was, That 2:14:07.520 --> 2:14:08.080 was the beginning. 2:14:08.760 --> 2:14:15.120 It ain't not funny about that story. I didn't. I 2:14:15.160 --> 2:14:18.960 didn't find the humor right. It's like dark humor. Maybe 2:14:20.400 --> 2:14:24.720 nothing funny, fucked up right once again, like you said, 2:14:24.760 --> 2:14:27.840 it's part of the journey, part of how it goes. 2:14:28.720 --> 2:14:32.360 And you know, listen, I have my stories, obviously we 2:14:32.520 --> 2:14:35.600 all do. I don't remember getting put in the Foster home. 2:14:36.680 --> 2:14:40.240 I remember tell I remember telling Actually I think all 2:14:40.280 --> 2:14:41.920 three of us were with this guy, you know, are 2:14:42.040 --> 2:14:46.680 person justin to the lakes. Yes, yes, I remember us 2:14:46.760 --> 2:14:50.920 telling him this story and we were at the studio. 2:14:50.960 --> 2:14:52.520 I forgot what we were there for, but we were 2:14:52.600 --> 2:14:54.520 just kicking in with him, and we're telling him like 2:14:55.520 --> 2:14:59.720 our whole thing and the way he just started laughing 2:14:59.760 --> 2:15:04.440 at it and joking about it. And then you know 2:15:04.520 --> 2:15:06.520 what he compared us to. You remember that commercial with 2:15:06.600 --> 2:15:14.640 the dogs and the bro this cold. I wanted to 2:15:14.720 --> 2:15:16.280 be mad, but the ship was so funny that we 2:15:16.360 --> 2:15:18.320 all just started dying laughing, and I was just like, yo, 2:15:18.880 --> 2:15:24.120 these niggas definitely just compared us to some lost dogs and. 2:15:24.120 --> 2:15:29.360 Ship the roads that lead to success. Bro. Bro, it's 2:15:29.480 --> 2:15:30.280 different and. 2:15:30.480 --> 2:15:32.520 We all, you know, we're still out you know, well 2:15:32.520 --> 2:15:35.080 one of us lives in Vegas, but you know we're 2:15:35.120 --> 2:15:37.440 all doing something. Yeah, we're all doing something today. 2:15:37.640 --> 2:15:37.800 Man. 2:15:38.400 --> 2:15:40.720 You know that wasn't allowed. Yeah, that's a home he 2:15:40.800 --> 2:15:42.640 got cracked into the TV stuff. 2:15:42.680 --> 2:15:46.000 Now that's dope. Yeah, man, that's dope. Man. I'm glad 2:15:46.040 --> 2:15:48.360 to hear y'all survive. Man, we didn't hear about y'all 2:15:48.400 --> 2:15:51.560 on the first forty eight, right because some first forty 2:15:51.600 --> 2:15:56.720 eight is shit going on. Man, it's tough now, but bro, 2:15:57.280 --> 2:16:00.600 thank you, thank you for your contribution to the game. 2:16:01.360 --> 2:16:05.800 You know what I'm saying, like career, thank you. And 2:16:06.920 --> 2:16:10.320 it's not taken lightly at all, you know. And I 2:16:10.400 --> 2:16:16.280 think at times in our industry and as we have 2:16:16.640 --> 2:16:19.960 successes and sometimes when we have multiple things that are 2:16:20.000 --> 2:16:23.080 happening for us, we forget to look and say, damn, 2:16:23.160 --> 2:16:26.680 this is cool. Yeah you know, so I hope today 2:16:27.640 --> 2:16:29.280 made you look at it like, bro, this is this 2:16:29.440 --> 2:16:31.840 is cool because you know, maybe some things popped up 2:16:31.840 --> 2:16:33.240 in your head whatever, you know what I mean, Like, 2:16:33.879 --> 2:16:36.840 what we what we get to do is really cool, definitely, 2:16:36.920 --> 2:16:41.160 And to reach the levels you've reached is not everybody 2:16:41.240 --> 2:16:44.680 get to see that, bro. Yeah, So congratulations on again 2:16:44.840 --> 2:16:50.119 and shut out to Vanta Records, The Beautiful India Sean. Listen, 2:16:50.240 --> 2:16:52.920 she got the music coming out. The records is out 2:16:53.040 --> 2:16:56.360 now y'all. Make sure y'all go check out. Subject to change, 2:16:56.400 --> 2:16:58.400 which is not subject to change at this point. This 2:16:58.560 --> 2:17:03.840 is coming out. We talked to Mickey, We talked to him. 2:17:05.080 --> 2:17:07.400 The mouse is gonna put it out. It's gonna happen, 2:17:08.080 --> 2:17:12.320 the Phantom Mouse. But Bro, congratulate, Like I said, once again, 2:17:12.400 --> 2:17:15.040 congratulations on everything. Man. I hope we can continue to 2:17:15.120 --> 2:17:18.320 do more of this. Yeah, man, anytime real and I 2:17:18.480 --> 2:17:19.560 just want to continue to celebrate. 2:17:19.640 --> 2:17:20.520 Y'all appreciate that. 2:17:20.680 --> 2:17:25.440 Man. So I'm Jay Valentine. This is Steve Mile India Sean. 2:17:25.959 --> 2:17:28.240 It's the R and B Money Podcast. I see y'all 2:17:28.280 --> 2:17:29.240 next week. Thank you,