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Speaker 1: Welcome to the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast,

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Speaker 1: another episode of Shades of the Afterlife with Sandra Champlain.

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Speaker 1: you to do your own research and discover the subject

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Speaker 1: matter for yourself. Hi, I'm Sanders Champlain. For almost twenty

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Speaker 1: five years, I've been on a journey to prove the

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Speaker 1: existence of life after death. On each episode will discuss

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Speaker 1: the reasons we now know that our loved ones have

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Speaker 1: survived physical depth and so will we. Welcome to Shades

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Speaker 1: of the Afterlife. Did you know that there are some

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Speaker 1: pine trees and the only way they can reproduce is

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Speaker 1: if their pine cones are subjected to intense fire, intense heat,

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Speaker 1: and then they'll start to grow. So some of those

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Speaker 1: gigantic forest fires that happened that you think everything is lost, well,

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Speaker 1: it's actually what's needed for these little trees to start growing.

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Speaker 1: I want to introduce you to Brian Smith, who actually

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Speaker 1: has made his life about grief to growth, meaning those

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Speaker 1: really tough times, that real heavy duty fire and pain

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Speaker 1: and agony that we go through as human beings actually

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Speaker 1: can lead to our growth if we let it. He

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Speaker 1: is the author of the book Grief to Growth. He

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Speaker 1: has the website Grief to Growth with the number two.

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Speaker 1: He also has the Grief to Growth podcast which he

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Speaker 1: interviews people that have been through just horrendous things and

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Speaker 1: how they've grown from it. He and his wife are

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Speaker 1: also leaders of the Cincinnati chapter of Helping Parents Heal,

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Speaker 1: which is an amazing organization for parents who have children

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Speaker 1: living in the unseen world. Now, he's a magnificent man

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Speaker 1: and I want to introduce you to him today. Hello

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Speaker 1: Brian and welcome, Thanks Sana. Just good to be here.

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Speaker 1: So tell us your story. What do you do for

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Speaker 1: a living or you know where you live in Ohio

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Speaker 1: and sure talk a little bit about yourself and your

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Speaker 1: wife and how your story folds. What I do for

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Speaker 1: that my wife and I've been running together for the

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Speaker 1: Shanna is in spirit. She passed in two thousand fifteen,

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Speaker 1: but she's still a very very active part of our family.

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Speaker 1: Still motivates me to do what I do every day.

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Speaker 1: So when Shanna passed in two thousand and fifteen, UM

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Speaker 1: I started just a whole series of synchronicities happened that

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Speaker 1: led me to a group called Helping Parents Heal, which

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Speaker 1: and we started that in UM two thousands this nine,

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Speaker 1: children did not die basically that they're still here with them,

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Speaker 1: what happened if it's appropriate? Yeah, sure. U Shina was

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Speaker 1: It was very sudden. It was totally unexpected. She did

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Speaker 1: it sits on the rail and it lets her touch it.

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00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:10,240
Speaker 1: Stuff like that. Klas had some pretty miraculous dreams, she said,

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00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 1: dreams that are kind of prophetic. So she's seen things

431
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:16,680
Speaker 1: like in her dream and then later on we'll see

432
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,520
Speaker 1: it in person. She had a dream once she and

433
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,400
Speaker 1: Shannon were in this church and she said it was

434
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 1: it was white on the inside, and they were in

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00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 1: the church and they were coloring or something. Shanna loves sweet.

436
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:28,880
Speaker 1: So Shan was like, you know, they were eating ice

437
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 1: cream and Shanna goes, well, you can have all the

438
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 1: ice cream you want here. So a couple of weeks later,

439
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,040
Speaker 1: I just had this urge to watch this Mutch this movie.

440
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,440
Speaker 1: I think it's Heavens for real. It's the movie about

441
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,120
Speaker 1: the little boy that dies and goes to Heaven. So

442
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know why I had this urge

443
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:44,480
Speaker 1: to watch this movie, and I was like, I have

444
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:46,960
Speaker 1: to watch it today. So the red boxes sold out

445
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,560
Speaker 1: it all over town. You couldn't find it. I drove

446
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:51,960
Speaker 1: to the location. I finally got it. I came back.

447
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,479
Speaker 1: Neither Kayla nor my wife were interested in watching it,

448
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:56,119
Speaker 1: so I'm like, well, I'm just gonna put it on.

449
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,200
Speaker 1: So I put it on. They get into the movie.

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Speaker 1: At one point in the movie, the father keeps asking

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00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,919
Speaker 1: a little boy about what Jesus looked like, and they

452
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 1: kept kept showing the pictures, and he said that that's

453
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,200
Speaker 1: on him, that's him. One day's walking by and he

454
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 1: seized on the father's computer this image of Jesus that

455
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:12,399
Speaker 1: was drawn by this little girl name I think her

456
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:14,879
Speaker 1: name is ache Ann, but she started drawing when she

457
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 1: was a very little girl, and she draws these really

458
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:20,360
Speaker 1: really realistic pictures of Heaven and Jesus and stuff. So

459
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 1: after the movie's over, I was telling Kle about this

460
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 1: little girl and how amazing she is. So I looked

461
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 1: up on my iPad some of her paintings and Klas

462
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:33,199
Speaker 1: scrolling through the paintings and suddenly she starts shaking and

463
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,439
Speaker 1: she can't speak, and I'm like, what's going on? Are

464
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 1: you okay? And I thought she was having a sea

465
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:41,439
Speaker 1: shut or something. She said, where is this church? And

466
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,200
Speaker 1: I said, well, sweetie, I don't know. And she said

467
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,359
Speaker 1: is it white on the inside? And I'm like, well,

468
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 1: I don't know, Sweete, It's just a painting. And she said,

469
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 1: this is a church that Shane and I were into

470
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 1: my dream and the picture was titled something like Heaven.

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00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:58,440
Speaker 1: So this girl had drawn this image of this church

472
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Speaker 1: and Chaos said that as a church in her dream,

473
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Speaker 1: and she had never seen the painting before. She sends

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00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,680
Speaker 1: his signs, you know, like I said all the time,

475
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,880
Speaker 1: they're very amazing. You know. It's it's funny. I mean,

476
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 1: we'll have we've had dimes up here in the house.

477
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 1: I'm walking downstairs at the basement. She worked her office

478
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 1: in the basement, and I'm like, why is this diamond

479
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:19,920
Speaker 1: the steps? And I don't know. I wasn't there when

480
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:23,879
Speaker 1: I came down and it's just there. She's a powerful girl.

481
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 1: I can just tell by who she was in life

482
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 1: that she's still stirring things up and making things happen

483
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 1: and wants to participate as much as she can and

484
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 1: figure out what works what doesn't work. And maybe she

485
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:41,640
Speaker 1: gave a little too much pressure to the computer to

486
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:46,399
Speaker 1: break it. Yeah, she Well, there was an outlet in

487
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 1: the house just suddenly stopped working and I was going

488
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 1: to replace it, and I was, I was driving out

489
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 1: to get you get the replacement for I was gonna

490
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 1: have electrician put it in. And I said, SHANEA, could

491
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 1: you just please stop breaking things? And I thought, one

492
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 1: last time before I go get the outlet, called the

493
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 1: electric Actually I recalled the electrician. He was scheduled to

494
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:06,360
Speaker 1: come out. I hit the g F I one more

495
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 1: time and it came back on. So and then she's

496
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 1: done things like um, and so we've got become to

497
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,199
Speaker 1: know Susanne Gieseman. Who's you know? And I know you

498
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 1: know Susanne. She's an amazing medium. And Shane will drop

499
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 1: in on her and just give her evidence. One time

500
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,360
Speaker 1: Susanne calls and she's done reading with it. She said,

501
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 1: I'm seeing this thing. It's like a purple like Christmas ornament.

502
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 1: It's like it's like glass and it's all these refractory

503
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 1: things coming out of it, and she's sitting as an

504
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:35,919
Speaker 1: image of what she thought it looked like. Well, it

505
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 1: turns out that Shanea's volleyball team and given her this

506
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 1: thing is called a Happy Thought bubble and it's a

507
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 1: purple ornament. We've got it hanging above the sink in

508
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:48,680
Speaker 1: our kitchen. So Suzanne had somehow seen this ornament. So

509
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 1: Suzanne has included Shana because it's some of the great evidence.

510
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 1: And I won't tell you all of it because it

511
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,400
Speaker 1: gets boring, but it's amazing all the things she said

512
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Speaker 1: through Susanne. So Susanne's included Shana and whatever her presentations

513
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Speaker 1: about of her communicators. So one day Susanne calls up

514
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 1: and says, I just got to ask you this, is

515
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 1: there a crack in the Happy Thought bubble? And we're like, yeah, no,

516
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:10,640
Speaker 1: I don't think so, not that I know. We're looking

517
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 1: at it looks fine. I take it down and at

518
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 1: the very top of the bubble where attaches to where

519
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 1: the string is, there's this hairline fracture that is so small.

520
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 1: I would have never seen it, but I was like,

521
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 1: there's a crack in it. So she's done things like

522
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 1: that too, Brian. We need to take a little break here,

523
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 1: but when we come back, I want to ask you

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525
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Speaker 1: get them. So what does it take to get them?

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Speaker 1: to Sandra Champlain and Change of the Afterlife. Welcome back

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Speaker 1: to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain and we

567
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Speaker 1: are with Brian Smith, author of Grief to Growth. Brian,

568
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 1: we were just talking about signs from our loved ones.

569
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Speaker 1: We all want signs, but how many of us really

570
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Speaker 1: keep that communication open between our loved one in the

571
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Speaker 1: afterlife like you do? So do you have things to

572
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 1: say about that? First of all, you have to be

573
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 1: open to all kinds of science and and everybody. I

574
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 1: think every spirit is a different type of communicators. So

575
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 1: some people say I want to dream, and they'll say

576
00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 1: I haven't had a sign. You were like, well, what

577
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 1: do you mean, Well, specifically said I want a dream

578
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 1: I want and it's like, well, maybe your loved one

579
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: is not good at communicating your dreams, or maybe you're

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00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 1: not ready to receive through dreams. So you have to

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00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 1: be open to the various ways that spirit communicates, and

582
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 1: then you have to be looking for it, because otherwise,

583
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 1: finding a dime it's just random. You know, a bird

584
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: flying into your house could just be random. But if

585
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: you start looking for the patterns of these things, then

586
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 1: it starts to make sense. And what I've been told them,

587
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: what I've heard is your loved ones. Once you start

588
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 1: acknowledging those signs, they'll start giving you that sign more

589
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: and more. It is a two way communication. I think

590
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 1: the journal would be good too to keep. I recommend

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00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 1: often have an empty chair next to you, put a

592
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 1: cup there, have a cup of coffee, have a conversation.

593
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 1: That might not be so easy. But if you have

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Speaker 1: a journal and this is what I noticed today, and

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00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 1: in the journal right your loved one, they can hear you,

596
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: and even if it's written out, and to make that

597
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 1: a habit, I can't help but think that things will

598
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: begin to unfold that way. And I think Brian too,

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00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 1: just because I've interviewed enough people have either had a

600
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: near death experience or a medium. There's halls of learning

601
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: that they go to to learn. So I just don't

602
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 1: think the moment we transition that we have all the

603
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 1: knowledge in the universe. Yeah, they don't become all powerful,

604
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 1: they don't become all knowing. And I know, I know

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00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 1: these people, you know, to Suzanne Wilson talks about how

606
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 1: they do go and they learn and then they learn

607
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: how to communicate through animals and birds and stuff. It's

608
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: not something that just comes naturally. And some people are

609
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 1: I think better at it quicker than others, saying I

610
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 1: always picked up on everything really quickly. So maybe it's

611
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: maybe it's easy for her and maybe for some of

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00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: the people it's not quite so easy. But again, you

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00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: have to be open I think the different ways. And

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Speaker 1: I guess the other thing is when you someone's fifteen,

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Speaker 1: when they passed and they live in your house, you know,

616
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: it's it's different than losing someone who's you're not living

617
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 1: with anymore. I mean, I saw Shanea literally every day,

618
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 1: and so with that to be cut off as suddenly

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00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: as it was, it was just natural for me to

620
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 1: try to maintain that relationship. And I still do. Even

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Speaker 1: though Shanea would be nineteen now, I still think of

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Speaker 1: her as a fifteen year old, so she's still my

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Speaker 1: baby and I still, you know, I still want to

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Speaker 1: be in communication with her, and she wants to be

625
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 1: in communication with you too. Yeah, so clear, And who

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Speaker 1: planted that thought in your mind to see The Heaven

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00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 1: Is for Real movie so that you would drive to more?

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00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 1: I was driving around, like why am I? Why do

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Speaker 1: I want to see this movie? It's frankly, it's a

630
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: cheesy movie, and I don't know why it's and why

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Speaker 1: did I have to see it that day? You know,

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Speaker 1: I don't remember if Kayleb was because you know, she

633
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: wasn't living with her. She was at school, so she

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00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 1: had to be home that weekend. And I really had

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00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 1: no plans for her to watch because I knew she

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00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 1: was she was not interested in it. So yeah, the

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00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 1: way that all had to work out, you know, that's

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00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: that's not just a coincidence, not at all. And The

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00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 1: Heaven Is for Real movie anyone who doesn't know, it's

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00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 1: a story of a young boy who got very sick

641
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 1: and then his out of body experience. He saw Jesus,

642
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: but he also saw I think it was his grandfather

643
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 1: and his grandfather that he had never met, that he

644
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 1: had never met, And it wasn't until the father went

645
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,359
Speaker 1: through the photo albums and he could point him right out,

646
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:22,839
Speaker 1: and he says you know, what else do you know?

647
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 1: And then that painting from that gal Acienne. She is

648
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: like child prodigy, that great her paintings are. Her artwork

649
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,240
Speaker 1: for such a young age is just brilliant. But she's

650
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: got this dynamic picture of Jesus that's so powerful. So

651
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: a little boy in the movie, and it's based on

652
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:44,839
Speaker 1: a true story. So even it's a movie, it's based

653
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 1: on true story. He recognized that Jesus as the Jesus

654
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 1: from his dream. And what is really interesting is Accienne,

655
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: the painter did not grow up in a religious family

656
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 1: and wasn't even told about Jesus and the Bible or

657
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 1: any of that. That just came to her. Yeah, I'm

658
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: giving myself goose bumps. Right well, yeah, and so again

659
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: the movie, the little boy just happy to walking back

660
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 1: because his father was showing well these pictures. I don't

661
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 1: think his father, let's Lisa was was praying in the movie.

662
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:15,839
Speaker 1: I don't think he even showed it to me, just like, yeah,

663
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 1: that's him. Um, I don't remember exactly, but you know

664
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 1: the fact that you know that had to happen. And then,

665
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,919
Speaker 1: like I said, for Kyle to have been in the room,

666
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 1: and then for Kyle's say that's the church and Kayle

667
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 1: I don't know if she really likes this, but Kayla

668
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 1: is intuitive and so she has abilities more than the

669
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: most of us do. Um, and she said, she said

670
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 1: several dreams of Shanah, and that's the one that I

671
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 1: remember most vividly because of the validation that came after

672
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: she had the dream. She told us about it. We're like,

673
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 1: it's really interesting. So you had a great, you know,

674
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 1: dream visit with Shana. But then for her to say

675
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 1: that's the very church that I saw my dream, like,

676
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 1: that was pretty cool. That's great. And then you and

677
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: I participated in an online Zoom interview. Brian is the

678
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 1: mystery guest and he got a medium reading from Carry

679
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 1: McLeod and Philip Dike's Phil and Carrey didn't know you.

680
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 1: You didn't know Phil and Carrey, I do know your

681
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 1: story and about Shana, and you know, I'm sitting there

682
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 1: and your grandmother came in first and good and um,

683
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 1: it was almost I don't want to say this to

684
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 1: be funny, but like a warmup act to build up

685
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 1: the power. And then Phil came in with talking about

686
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 1: Shana and it was just and it brought tears to

687
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 1: my eyes as I was listening to the information and

688
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 1: the accuracy, and you know, this wasn't all planned by me, no,

689
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 1: but it's these kind of stories that need to get

690
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: out that this is real, very real. Yeah, you know,

691
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: and I've heard and it's hard for us. I think

692
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 1: he was to accept that most of the ideas that

693
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 1: we have are not our own, that there that their

694
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: planet by higher beings are our higher self, our loved

695
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 1: ones in spirit or whatever. And I absolutely know that's true.

696
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 1: And by the way, I do write quite a bit.

697
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 1: And Shanna takes credit for my writing. Um. She she's

698
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 1: told me through a medium that she's a better writer

699
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: than I am. Uh and she she was an amazing writer.

700
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 1: We found some things that she after she had passed

701
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 1: that we had no idea she had written. So she

702
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 1: she definitely, um inspires me. I wake up in the

703
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:24,320
Speaker 1: morning and I have these these ideas that these downloads

704
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: that I have, this this is what I've got to do.

705
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,240
Speaker 1: So um yeah, She's definitely put me on a path

706
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,280
Speaker 1: and have the blog, but I've actually started another website

707
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: where I'm doing a life coaching business and stuff like that.

708
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 1: So you know, she's kind of said, Okay, it's time

709
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: for me to shift from what I've been doing into

710
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 1: something different. So um, it's interesting to see how it's

711
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 1: all unfolding. Can share that website with us. It's a

712
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 1: Grief to Growth dot com. So it's grief g R

713
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: I e F the number two growth dot com. So again,

714
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 1: it's just wild all this stuff worked out. I've been

715
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 1: volunteering probably parents here for the last three years and

716
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 1: working with parents and mediums and healers and people like

717
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 1: yourself and getting to meet all these people. I want

718
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 1: to be able to contribute myself with helping parents feel

719
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 1: it's a closed group, so I we only share within

720
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 1: the group for the privacy of the parents. So I

721
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 1: want to I want to expand what I'm doing to

722
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 1: the public. So yeah, I gotta give you a lot

723
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 1: of credit to you for inspiration. I've actually started a podcast.

724
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 1: I want to get back as much as I can.

725
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: How do we find the podcast through your website Grief

726
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 1: to Growth. Yeah, it's on the website and it's also

727
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 1: just Grief to Growth dot com. It's weird to say

728
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 1: that it's really exciting, but it is really exciting to

729
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 1: feel like, you know, I kind of feel like I'm

730
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: doing what I was supposed to do. I was talking

731
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 1: with someone yesterday and she was saying, I feel like

732
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 1: you're kind of a natural. She's she's an Intagram person,

733
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 1: so she she said, you know, you feel like you're

734
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 1: kind of a natural teacher. My grandfather was a pastor.

735
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: Both of his parents were pastors, So I've always felt

736
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: a calling to the ministry, not in terms of being

737
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:01,359
Speaker 1: a professional preacher, but in terms of service. So I've

738
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 1: always volunteered with the church and you know, stuff like that.

739
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 1: But as for a living, you know, and sell hair

740
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 1: care products, you know. So I'm feeling like there might

741
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 1: be a way for me to step out and do

742
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: even more that I'm doing now, and so I'm really

743
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:20,399
Speaker 1: excited about where things are going. Silver Birch, who has

744
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:24,839
Speaker 1: broken through Maurice Barbonell in the Trance State, I would

745
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 1: say services the coin of spirit. I mean, it doesn't

746
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 1: have to be a big coin. I mean little things

747
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: can make a difference. Because Brian, I mean, I'm grateful

748
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 1: that you found my show and and the other things

749
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 1: that you've done, But I often take for granted the

750
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 1: interviews that I have. I put them out in the world.

751
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 1: And you know, like very rarely meet or talked to

752
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 1: someone that listens, but it could change one life. And

753
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 1: so you don't know what person that stumbles upon your site,

754
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 1: your podcast, a blog post and it's exactly what they

755
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:06,800
Speaker 1: need to hear and they feel, Okay, I'm not alone

756
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 1: in this. I mean, you just never know the difference

757
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 1: you can make. So I'll help you anyway I can. Yeah,

758
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 1: you don't know. And you hear people when they have

759
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 1: near death experiences and they have the life reviews and

760
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 1: they find a lot of times it's the little things

761
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 1: that are really the big things. It's it's smiling at

762
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 1: a stranger. It's you know, petting a dog. You know,

763
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 1: there's a there's a lady in the neighborhood that I

764
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 1: see all the time and just stopping and talking to

765
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: her and you know, taking the time to pet her

766
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 1: dog every day. I mean, and when her dog passed away,

767
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 1: you know, she was like she told people she was

768
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 1: very grateful for that. You know. So that's something that

769
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 1: doesn't take any time out of my day, but it really,

770
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:44,359
Speaker 1: you know, it means a lot to something to her.

771
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 1: But I want to go back to us what you

772
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 1: said about the business, and I was coaching so many

773
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 1: the other day and she's after her daughter passed. She said, well,

774
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 1: I really want to do something of service. I want

775
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 1: to you know, I want to quit this what I'm

776
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 1: doing now and I want to open up a spiritual

777
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 1: a spiritual store and I want to you know, And

778
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 1: I said, well, don't forget about the things you're doing already.

779
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: You know, you have a couple lot of daughters that

780
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:09,839
Speaker 1: you're very, very involved with. You need to be there

781
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:11,879
Speaker 1: for them. They're they're a young time in their life,

782
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:13,879
Speaker 1: so that's going to take your time. You know, you've

783
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 1: got other commitments, but maybe you just do some some

784
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:21,399
Speaker 1: things that you consider small things that serve people. So

785
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: if I like myself with you know what's saying it,

786
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 1: It's been four years, um, and I still haven't made

787
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 1: a transition. I know if I ever will make a

788
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 1: full transition. But I started off just you know, helping

789
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 1: with helping parents, heal um, you know, stuffing like that.

790
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 1: You can volunteer at church, so it doesn't have to

791
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 1: be major life shifts. It doesn't. And what you're meant

792
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: to do will find you. It will keep knocking at

793
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 1: your door. You'll get this like I've got to see

794
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 1: this movie today. You know these things will start happening

795
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 1: when they're meant to. And I would have never guessed

796
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:55,359
Speaker 1: thirty years ago I would be doing what I'm doing

797
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,839
Speaker 1: right now because I wasn't a believer. But we're not

798
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: shown the big pick. Sure, we're just shown what we

799
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: need to to take the next step. And if we

800
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: can have that faith, it'll all work out. Because hair

801
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: care products, it's service, different kinds of service, and we

802
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 1: can't overlook that time for our last break. And when

803
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 1: we come back, we'll be hearing some final thoughts from

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00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 1: our dear friend Brian Smith, from Grief to Growth. You're

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Speaker 1: Sandra Champlain and you may be asking what the grief

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Speaker 1: audio is that Brian mentioned earlier. It's free if you

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Speaker 1: go to my website, we Don't Die dot com. Scroll

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Speaker 1: down and if you join my Insiders Club, which is

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Speaker 1: my email list, you get a free copy of that,

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00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 1: free copy of my book, and some other things as well. Brian,

837
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: thanks for sharing that. I just never know who I'm

838
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: going to reach. If you reached me, you reached thousands

839
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 1: of other people. So that's what we that's what we do.

840
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: We put we we put our seeds out there, and

841
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 1: we don't even know which ones are gonna grow up.

842
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: We don't know what a word we say is going

843
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 1: you know how it's gonna help someone. And I was

844
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 1: interviewing Elizabeth Bossan and I said, you know, when when

845
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 1: Morgan passed, her son passed, I'm sure and you started

846
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: Parents United and Lost. It wasn't even called helping parents

847
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 1: he at the time, you had no idea it was

848
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 1: going to grow to an international organization of like twelve

849
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 1: thousand people. And she's literally saved thousands of lives. And

850
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: I don't I don't usually exaggerate, but I know because

851
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: I've had people tell us helping parents, he'll save my life.

852
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 1: I found you just when I needed you. We have

853
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 1: to have faith at what we put out there. If

854
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:40,359
Speaker 1: we put it out there with good intentions, will help

855
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:44,720
Speaker 1: somebody else. Absolutely, and I do get that about saving lives.

856
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 1: I hit an all time low as a human being

857
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 1: that my dad's death and then a less very close relationships.

858
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:56,280
Speaker 1: We were one of those families that fought, and although

859
00:45:56,719 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 1: I didn't choose to check out of life, I realized,

860
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 1: for the very first time had compassion for what a

861
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 1: human would feel like to be that low. But that

862
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 1: seems like a good idea. Yeah, well, I tell you

863
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 1: um for me as a parent, and I'm very open

864
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 1: about this, and I know some people probably think it's

865
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 1: not a good thing to do, but I think it is.

866
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 1: I was never suicidal to the point where I planned suicide,

867
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 1: but I was to the point where I did not

868
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 1: want to be here. And you know, it's interesting. I

869
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 1: was listening to a podcast. There was a woman on

870
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 1: and she had written a book and she was talking

871
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 1: about what happened after her daughter passed. I remember her

872
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 1: saying she was on this on the curb and a

873
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 1: bust was coming by and she thought about stepping out

874
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 1: in front of the bus. And when I heard that,

875
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, I've had that same feeling, you know.

876
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:48,839
Speaker 1: I I felt like, just you have that feeling where

877
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 1: I don't want to be here. I want to be

878
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 1: with my kid. It actually helped me to hear another

879
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 1: person say that, and no, she didn't do it. By

880
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 1: the way, she wrote a book and she was doing

881
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 1: a podcast. She over came that feeling. But you had

882
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 1: the feeling. So I want to be able to be

883
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 1: transparent enough to people to say, hey, I know what

884
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 1: you're feeling. I've felt what you're feeling, and you can

885
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 1: still survive this. Brian, I know you and I have

886
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 1: talked to medium ship before, and I do believe there's

887
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 1: good hearted mediums that may not have the proper training.

888
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: And I think it's important for anyone who's interested in

889
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: going to a medium really let the medium do the work,

890
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 1: say yes, no or I don't know. You want to

891
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 1: find a medium that in the first ten minutes, if

892
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: there's not a contact or you don't feel comfortable that

893
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 1: you don't pay. There's some real good standards out there.

894
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 1: But what do you feel about mediums? Yeah, it's you know, mediumships.

895
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 1: I'd tell people it's like any other profession. There are

896
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 1: good mediums, there are bad mediums, there are fraudulent mediums.

897
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 1: There are people have good intentions, they're just not very good,

898
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 1: and there aren't too many standards, there aren't too many

899
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 1: real certification programs. So I'm big believer a mediumship. I

900
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 1: am absolutely sure it's to be like Gary Schwartz and

901
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:11,360
Speaker 1: never say sure, but I'm ninety nine percent sure that

902
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:16,240
Speaker 1: mediumship is real. But I'm skeptical of individual mediums because

903
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 1: you don't know what any individual, how good they're gonna be,

904
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 1: or when in kind of integrity they're going to have.

905
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 1: So you you're right to be skeptical. Uh, And you're

906
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 1: right too, I would say to people. I tell people

907
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:30,240
Speaker 1: I would never go to see a medium without a reference. Um,

908
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 1: I would always talk to someone who's been to them.

909
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 1: I will look for certifications, but at the very least

910
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 1: a reference. Just like you wouldn't probably go see a

911
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 1: surgeon who you know you don't know anything about without

912
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:43,840
Speaker 1: checking out their record. I would say, with the medium

913
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,840
Speaker 1: you want to, you want to know what their background is. Yeah,

914
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 1: I agree, And you know, just even like bad restaurants,

915
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 1: eventually they disappear. And I think with enough good restaurants,

916
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 1: people go to them. And so I like the idea

917
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 1: that helping Parents Heal dot Org has a list of

918
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 1: wreck amended, and I do love that Mark Ireland did

919
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 1: the work to do some certification, so I'm out to

920
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 1: share good ones as well. And Mark has a full

921
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 1: time job, and it's it's a lot of work for

922
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 1: the program that he does. And you know, I just

923
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 1: interviewed a guy for my podcast yesterday who just passed

924
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:18,959
Speaker 1: the program. It's a lot of work for the mediums too,

925
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 1: and a lot of the mediums don't want to give

926
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 1: up that time because it's it's five readings, they've got

927
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:28,399
Speaker 1: to get a certain score. It's totally blind, so they're

928
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 1: told nothing about The center of the protocol gets getting

929
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 1: tougher actually as we find different ways that people can cheat. Um.

930
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 1: So for example, now Mark doesn't give out even the

931
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 1: name of the person and they meet by zoom or

932
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:43,839
Speaker 1: Skype or something where the medium doesn't know who. They

933
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 1: don't get the person's phone number, they don't get anything

934
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:49,759
Speaker 1: until like five minutes before the reading. So we want

935
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 1: to do everything we can to make sure there's as

936
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:55,360
Speaker 1: much integrity as possible. And what's really interesting is the

937
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 1: good mediums they want that. I mean the guy was

938
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 1: talking to earlier day, you say, I don't want to

939
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 1: know anything about my sitter, and he said, I don't.

940
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 1: I don't want to to hot read the center or

941
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 1: I always get hot read a cold read. I don't

942
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 1: want the cold readed center. He's like, I will actually

943
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:12,280
Speaker 1: sometimes look away. And I was talking to a medium

944
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 1: friend of mine the other day and she had gone

945
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: to something They were talking about the different techniques and

946
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 1: mediums used to cheat. So she said from that one,

947
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:20,760
Speaker 1: when I do my gallery readings, I'm going to close

948
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,359
Speaker 1: my eyes because not only do I not want to cheap,

949
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 1: but I don't want to get cused. Because mediums are

950
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 1: very sensitive people, and we can learn to read I'm

951
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:30,760
Speaker 1: not a medium, but we can learn to read body language,

952
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 1: and if someone's nodding or shaking their head or crossing

953
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 1: their arms, you can kind of get a feeling, even

954
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:38,919
Speaker 1: non verbally, how they're answering. So a lot of memes

955
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 1: are saying, now I'm not even gonna look at you.

956
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,279
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't want to look at you. So

957
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:48,240
Speaker 1: um as, I said, yeah, there are very very good

958
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:51,840
Speaker 1: and very meanings with integrity, and I've got hundreds of

959
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 1: stories I can share mediums that they've given me hits

960
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 1: on things that they could never possibly know, just out

961
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 1: of the blue, so I can say for certain it's

962
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 1: real love. It isn't it fun to be swimming in

963
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 1: this pool? Is that even the worst expression I want

964
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 1: to use? I don't know, but just to be on

965
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:12,360
Speaker 1: this journey of investigation and and then talk about the friends.

966
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 1: Probably you like myself, especially you and I. You make

967
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 1: these friendships and they're on a different level than work

968
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 1: related or how's the weather or superficial. I mean, this

969
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 1: is a real, true friendships. It's their family. I mean

970
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 1: I was talking to Zabu the other day and I'm

971
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 1: like helping parents feel they're my family. So we did

972
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 1: a conference in Scottsdale. And at the conference, okay, you

973
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:42,360
Speaker 1: imagine you've got five hundred people whose children have passed away.

974
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 1: So this hotel staff thought this is going to be

975
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 1: the saddest week endeavor. And we were sitting there, you know,

976
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:50,760
Speaker 1: at the pool at night and having drinks and stuff,

977
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 1: and people kept asking who are the people over in

978
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 1: the corner that are just laughing up and stuff, and

979
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:59,319
Speaker 1: like those are the grieving parents. But you know, we

980
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 1: were sitting around the fire when I remember telling that,

981
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 1: we were like, okay, first of all, we all felt

982
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 1: like this was planned, that we were on a mission together.

983
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 1: And the way I described it is literally, we're on

984
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 1: a mission together, and I'm like, one day we're gonna

985
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 1: be sitting around a fire pit on the other side

986
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:17,839
Speaker 1: having a conversation and reminiscing about everything that we've been through.

987
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 1: So when you look at it that way, and you

988
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 1: look at these people that you've made these relationships with

989
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 1: as your buddies and your troop, it just gives you

990
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:29,840
Speaker 1: a special bond that you know you don't have with

991
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 1: other people. And I think even with you or people

992
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 1: even outside of the parents who have lost children, but

993
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 1: people that understand the greater reality. We're living in a

994
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:42,360
Speaker 1: different world than most of the people here are. And

995
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 1: I don't mean to sound arrogant, but they're kind of

996
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 1: still asleep to what the real reality is. And we're

997
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 1: in a twilight. We're living in both worlds. We're getting

998
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:54,800
Speaker 1: a glimpse, we're getting we're getting a little bit of

999
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 1: memory of where we came from. We're looking forward to that.

1000
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 1: So we're in this world, you know, but we're not

1001
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 1: of it, as Jesus would say, um, And knowing that

1002
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 1: makes it tolerable and makes us really really want to

1003
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 1: serve as best we can over here. Plus we all

1004
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:16,799
Speaker 1: know we have this life of you coming up. We're

1005
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 1: gonna judge ourselves, and uh, you know, I know I've

1006
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:21,919
Speaker 1: cleaned up my act a lot since I've figured out

1007
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:24,439
Speaker 1: that I'm going to be the one judging myself. You're

1008
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 1: so right about those life reviews. I've interviewed so many

1009
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 1: people who have had near death experiences, and while yes,

1010
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:36,840
Speaker 1: we go through our lives and we replay them, and

1011
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 1: they say, we see ourselves from the eyes of the

1012
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 1: other person, so we actually feel the emotions about how

1013
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:47,719
Speaker 1: we treated people. But after we go through that, we

1014
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 1: really feel the impact of the difference that we've made

1015
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 1: on our fellow mankind, and we do judge ourselves. There's

1016
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 1: nobody saying Heaven for you, hell for you. It really

1017
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 1: is judging and looking at ourselves, how our souls progressed

1018
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 1: while we were here on earth. But after we see

1019
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 1: the negative things, we actually see the positive and we

1020
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 1: get to see and feel not only the good things

1021
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 1: that we did and how they impacted other people, but

1022
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:20,279
Speaker 1: we get to see the ripple effect for our actions.

1023
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:23,799
Speaker 1: So you never know in any moment even if you're

1024
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:27,280
Speaker 1: just paying a compliment to somebody at the grocery store,

1025
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 1: the difference that can make in their lives and then

1026
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 1: what they go ahead and do and help someone else. Anyways, Brian,

1027
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 1: we're coming up to the end of the episode. Is

1028
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 1: there anything I've forgotten to ask you or anything else

1029
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 1: you want to share, or any final words that you

1030
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 1: only you, Brian Smith can share Now. I just want

1031
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 1: to say, first of all, I mus to say thank

1032
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:51,799
Speaker 1: you for having me on. It's a couple of years

1033
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 1: ago that we met, and you're You're my hero when

1034
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:56,360
Speaker 1: it comes to this world, and you're one of the

1035
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 1: people that really inspired me to do the things that

1036
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:01,839
Speaker 1: I'm doing. And I want to say to people that

1037
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 1: people that have might might have lost children, and here

1038
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 1: about this for the first time, that there is hope

1039
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:11,879
Speaker 1: after after your child passes um. You'll notice we don't

1040
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 1: I don't use the word died. I typically and use

1041
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:17,319
Speaker 1: the word lost because I know that my daughter is

1042
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:20,280
Speaker 1: still right here with me. And I want a mission

1043
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:22,799
Speaker 1: to help as many people know that as I possibly can.

1044
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 1: So if there's anything I can do to help you out,

1045
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 1: you know, let me know. Contact me at Grief to

1046
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 1: Growth dot com It's Grief the number two growth. You

1047
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 1: can email me through there or check out my podcast

1048
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:38,279
Speaker 1: and hopefully I'll help some people out. Brian, you most

1049
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 1: definitely have and you will continue to do so for

1050
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 1: our listeners. People need people, So if you're a parent

1051
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 1: in that club that no one wants to join, go

1052
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 1: to Helping Parents Heal dot org. Also, we have a

1053
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 1: phenomenal community that we Don't Die dot com. We've got

1054
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 1: a Facebook group of oversea x thousand members. We've got

1055
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 1: weekly classes that are interactive so you can participate with others.

1056
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 1: We have our free Sunday gathering with free medium readings

1057
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:14,320
Speaker 1: on every single one. So we want you to feel loved,

1058
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 1: supported and be with a group of people that believe

1059
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 1: the afterlife is real. All that we Don't Die dot com.

1060
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:24,319
Speaker 1: I'm Sanders Champlain and from the bottom of my heart,

1061
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 1: I want to thank you for listening to Shades of

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