Speaker 1: Welcome to Episode Too six five. Here we go, we'll
Speaker 1: talk about Eddie van Halen with Steve Gorman. Listen, I
Speaker 1: needed to have a little Eddie van Halen lesson. I mean,
Speaker 1: I know some van Halen songs. Here are the top
Speaker 1: five streaming van Halen songs. And this is because Eddie
Speaker 1: van Halen died this last week, and so Steve Gorman
Speaker 1: is also on the Black Crows. Here you go. Number five,
Speaker 1: ain't talking about love all right? Number four Hot for Teacher,
Speaker 1: you know that one. I know that one too. Number
Speaker 1: three Running with the Devil. Number two Panama. You know
Speaker 1: this one, hey, Emma, get stuck in your head. And
Speaker 1: then obviously the number one is massive. I think everybody
Speaker 1: knows this jump, right, everybody knows that one, but van
Speaker 1: Halen massive. But I just missed them in my life.
Speaker 1: So this was an interesting interview coming up. The thing
Speaker 1: about this Too jump was van Halen's one and only
Speaker 1: number one. As big as massive as they are, it
Speaker 1: was just harder to get a number one back then.
Speaker 1: Just in general, their most famous song jump, which is
Speaker 1: that number one streamer, took only one day to finish
Speaker 1: and went to the top of the billboard. Hot one
Speaker 1: hundred and got him a Grammy nomination. Eddie played the
Speaker 1: guitar solo on Michael Jackson's Beat It, So if you
Speaker 1: listen to that song, that's Eddie van Halen shredding on it.
Speaker 1: Eddie also began on the drums. He couldn't read sheet music,
Speaker 1: which is pretty crazy. Is to beat it right here.
Speaker 1: And then he also had serious stage fright, which is
Speaker 1: crazy because the guy played arena's massive places. It's always
Speaker 1: crazy when you hear like the the White Stripes. She
Speaker 1: apparently had so much stage fright that they couldn't even
Speaker 1: play at times. It isn't that crazy to think about. So,
Speaker 1: and also Alex and Eddie were the only two consistent members.
Speaker 1: David Lee Roth was a singer. Michael Anthony was the
Speaker 1: announced Sammy Hey Gar Gary Sharone, so that's crazy. And
Speaker 1: they switched lead singers, which and we're as successful with
Speaker 1: a different lead singer, which is nuts. So we'll talk
Speaker 1: about that with Steve Gorman on the way my New
Speaker 1: Music Top five this week, Here we go. Travis has
Speaker 1: a new album coming out. I love Travis the Band,
Speaker 1: and so I haven't heard it yet. I'm gonna listen
Speaker 1: to it. Today. But you know, some of this is
Speaker 1: stuff I haven't been able to spend time with, but
Speaker 1: stuff that I look forward to as well. But Travis
Speaker 1: has a new song out. But Travis has a new
Speaker 1: But Travis has a new record out. You may know
Speaker 1: Travis for Why does It Always rain on Me? Is
Speaker 1: it because I lied when I was seventeen? Do you
Speaker 1: know that song? You know? I've only heard him because
Speaker 1: you talk about it, you know, sing sing sings, But
Speaker 1: I love you bring They haven't had that song in
Speaker 1: the office, unlike the first season when Jim puts his
Speaker 1: earphone into Palm's ear and she's like, what are you
Speaker 1: listening to? And it's Travis sing Anyway, Travis has a
Speaker 1: new album out today. Um, Mike, you just played one
Speaker 1: of their songs for me. Yeah, that's what's called Valentine.
Speaker 1: Travis Denning has a new song out called good Years
Speaker 1: that's at number four. Holling All Them good A CDC
Speaker 1: announced they're releasing a new album called Power Up. It's
Speaker 1: their first album in six years. They put out a
Speaker 1: new song called shot in the Dark. Hey, speaking of
Speaker 1: bands who change lead singers and think about that. But
Speaker 1: they went from Bond Scott who died in the seventies.
Speaker 1: He choked on his own vomit because you know he
Speaker 1: was a big drinker, if I'm right about this, and
Speaker 1: then they switched to Brian Johnson, who is the singer.
Speaker 1: Now there's only been a few of those bands to
Speaker 1: do that. A C d C did it. I'm not
Speaker 1: looking at notes here, so um A C d C
Speaker 1: did it. Obviously, Van Halen did it, and Genesis did it.
Speaker 1: It was Peter Gabriel and then they went on a
Speaker 1: search and they ended up hiring their drummer to do it.
Speaker 1: To move forward, but just Phil Collins, which is insane.
Speaker 1: Whole other topic. Cassie Ashton has a new song out
Speaker 1: called Black Motorcycle. Here's a clip of that and she
Speaker 1: will be on later to talk about that song. And
Speaker 1: then Super Pumped Brother's Osborne have a new album out
Speaker 1: called Skeletons Love These Guys. Here's a new song called
Speaker 1: Lightning Up. Who'll keep because we'll be more new albums,
Speaker 1: Blue Oyster, Colt Jackson, Brown, Dire Straits, The Doors, Dang,
Speaker 1: a lot of old bands right there in a row.
Speaker 1: It's like classic rock radio new album Wait, five Finger Death, Punch, Punch,
Speaker 1: Lincoln Park's Hybrid Theory Anniversary Sad Day. He's got a
Speaker 1: whole box set coming out. Do you know said slow song? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's my bubble bet song. Uh. In the Music News
Speaker 1: before we get into some interviews, Johnny Nash, who had
Speaker 1: I Can See Clearly Now, died at eighty years old.
Speaker 1: Bright Bright, Bright, Sunshine Day. It's a jam. People still
Speaker 1: know that song, hey, because of commercials or movies. But
Speaker 1: I bet that song made him a bunch of money.
Speaker 1: Machine Gun Kelly just earned his first number one album
Speaker 1: and it was his rock album. Right. Did you like
Speaker 1: this like? It's like right up my alley? It's pump punk? Huh?
Speaker 1: Did he do some stuff with Blake one eighty two
Speaker 1: for this? Travis Barker produced the whole thing and he
Speaker 1: played drums on it. Did Little Wayne try to do
Speaker 1: a punk thing? Like a rock punk thing too? It
Speaker 1: was just more just straight up rock, but one very good.
Speaker 1: It wasn't good. He tried to play guitar, and you
Speaker 1: can't play a guitar? Can Machine Gun Kelly he played
Speaker 1: with a guitar on it? No? I mean can he?
Speaker 1: I know he made basic stuff, but nothing crazy. Coachella
Speaker 1: might already postponed again for April one to next October.
Speaker 1: They just keep kicking the can, which they should. So
Speaker 1: if you're going to go to Coachella and then Dolly
Speaker 1: Parton's Playboy cover for seventy birthday, is this happening yet?
Speaker 1: Not yet? Okay? I knew they were talking about it,
Speaker 1: I didn't know if they confirmed it. But and also
Speaker 1: she wouldn't have to be naked on it. They wouldn't
Speaker 1: want her naked. I don't think she was naked on
Speaker 1: the original. I don't. I don't know. Maybe so naked stuff.
Speaker 1: I have no idea. I don't even look next stuff
Speaker 1: on the internet because I'm praying computer is gonna get
Speaker 1: virus because like when Marion did it, she wasn't really naked.
Speaker 1: Is it just kind of naked, kind of imagination naked
Speaker 1: where you use your imagination because they're almost naked. I
Speaker 1: guess so I think you just I don't know. All right,
Speaker 1: there you that's the releases I'm looking forward to, and
Speaker 1: the new music that is out there you go. That's
Speaker 1: the releases I'm looking forward to, and some new music
Speaker 1: news from this week. All right, thank you, guys, let's
Speaker 1: get going. Joining me now is Steve Gorman, who was
Speaker 1: the drummer and the Black Crows, who now plays with
Speaker 1: Trigger Hippie. And before we talk about some of the
Speaker 1: Black Crow stuff in your book, I saw your tweet Steven.
Speaker 1: It was talking about Eddie van Halen, which is kind
Speaker 1: of why I have you here. And you say there
Speaker 1: will be many many words written and spoken about Eddie
Speaker 1: van Halen over the next few days, weeks, months, and years.
Speaker 1: Those millions of words will never come close to expressing
Speaker 1: what he meant to rock music, what he meant to guitarists,
Speaker 1: and what he meant to the guitar itself. That's a
Speaker 1: pretty powerful statement, Mr Gorman. What did Eddie in remind
Speaker 1: me to rock music? Well, I think it's it's pretty simple.
Speaker 1: You can say that he and Jimmy Hendrix are the
Speaker 1: two guys that truly and and only or the two
Speaker 1: guys that moved the needle, you know, for the guitar itself.
Speaker 1: I mean Hendrick came out of a blue space, uh
Speaker 1: scene and took the playing and the tones he could
Speaker 1: get to a new place. But that evan Halen really
Speaker 1: almost came in from another country, another planet, I should
Speaker 1: say another He's like an alien life for him. I
Speaker 1: mean he was a virtue of sick player obviously, but
Speaker 1: he he reinvented what what you could do with the guitar.
Speaker 1: And the fact of the matter is this like Hendricks,
Speaker 1: but even to a greater degree. Anybody that tries to
Speaker 1: play like Eddie van Halen, it just sounds like a mime,
Speaker 1: a mimic. They it's like Rich Little doing Johnny Carson. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: that kind of sounds like him. But there's nothing nobody's
Speaker 1: ever been able to do what Eddie van Halen did
Speaker 1: and make it feel a certain way, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean that he's just a and he was that
Speaker 1: way at twenty two. I mean, this is this is
Speaker 1: not a guy like It's not like David Blaine's magic
Speaker 1: tricks where he gets bigger and better every year. He
Speaker 1: started with card tricks that other people did first. Ed
Speaker 1: evan Halen hit the ground running. With van Halen one
Speaker 1: playing an instrument have been around for centuries, unlike anybody
Speaker 1: else has ever done. I mean, he was on the
Speaker 1: mount Rushmore of great guitar players at two years old,
Speaker 1: and then and then he stuck around for another forty years,
Speaker 1: still playing unlike anybody before or since. So I just
Speaker 1: think that in terms of, you know, sheer unique mindset
Speaker 1: and ambition combined with just great talent obviously, but but
Speaker 1: also a phenomenal work ethic. I mean, he's just a
Speaker 1: complete unicorn in every sense of the word. How would
Speaker 1: you describe his guitar sound? And I say that I
Speaker 1: know what I think of it, but I wasn't. I
Speaker 1: just missed van Halen like I came around right as
Speaker 1: you guys were blowing up, honestly, so that for me,
Speaker 1: the van Halen was slightly classic rock, slightly old rock
Speaker 1: to me as a nineties kid, so as someone because
Speaker 1: you're just a few years older than I am. But
Speaker 1: how would you describe his guitar sound of someone who
Speaker 1: was in it and living it? In love in van Halen? Well,
Speaker 1: I can tell this. I was thirteen years old the
Speaker 1: first time I heard van Halen, and I remember it.
Speaker 1: I remember where I was, I remember who I was with.
Speaker 1: It was going home from school and Hopkinsville, Kentucky. You
Speaker 1: really got me their Kinks, you know, like their cover
Speaker 1: of the Kink song came on the radio and and
Speaker 1: it was playing already, and I said, hey, Mom, turning
Speaker 1: that up. It was me and my mom and my
Speaker 1: friend Brook Lawton, the three of us in a car,
Speaker 1: and she turned it up and I my first thought
Speaker 1: was that must be like a live version of the
Speaker 1: Kinks song. And I was thinking, like, they don't. They
Speaker 1: don't rock that hard, do they. But when it hit
Speaker 1: that solo, and then by the time the song ended,
Speaker 1: I realized, well, that does that's not Ray Davy singing.
Speaker 1: This is clearly a cover version, But what on earth
Speaker 1: is this? And it was like making my the hair
Speaker 1: on the back of my next stand up. This isn't
Speaker 1: a time when I thought punk rock was the coolest
Speaker 1: thing in the world. And the truth is Van Halen
Speaker 1: was more punk than the Punks because they were truly
Speaker 1: breaking down a bunch of barriers, if you will, or
Speaker 1: they were going in their own sort of way. You know,
Speaker 1: there hadn't been a band like Van Halen since Led
Speaker 1: Zeppelin in terms of rock. Band hits the ground running
Speaker 1: at full steam and it obliterates everything in their path
Speaker 1: in a certain sense. And to me, Van Halen just sound.
Speaker 1: It sounded like what California was in my head, you know.
Speaker 1: As soon as I realized, as soon as I heard
Speaker 1: about them there from l A. And as soon as
Speaker 1: I saw David Lee Roth and then as soon as
Speaker 1: I heard more than you know, the next thing I
Speaker 1: heard was eruption, you know, the guitar solo. And you know,
Speaker 1: hearing just two pieces of their first album and seeing
Speaker 1: what they look like, it just it felt brand new
Speaker 1: and it already felt like they're gonna be around forever.
Speaker 1: You just knew from the jump. And this is me
Speaker 1: as a thirteen year old kid who was obsessed with music.
Speaker 1: This band is one of the all timers. Like, there's
Speaker 1: nothing like this, and they all have the chops and
Speaker 1: the other thing too. As long as I'm just rambling incessantly,
Speaker 1: Heny van Halen is a great rhythm player. It wasn't
Speaker 1: just about the solos. He led the band rhythmically. And
Speaker 1: he's also it needs to be noted, not that it's
Speaker 1: not obvious. He's a hell of a songwriter. I mean
Speaker 1: he really was. As I said before, he's a true unicorn.
Speaker 1: I mean, just just nothing like it. What does this
Speaker 1: sound like to you? It sounds frequent and right in
Speaker 1: like righting the zone you know when you're when you're
Speaker 1: playing something that you're in the same key that's one thing.
Speaker 1: Because I listen, I play a little bit. I don't
Speaker 1: play even as good as my friends who are real
Speaker 1: life musicians, but it's perfect frequency and and not frequency
Speaker 1: is in the tone or the but as much because
Speaker 1: it's a lot. I mean, Brad Paisley plays, I know
Speaker 1: it's Brad Paisley because I hear the chicken picking. I
Speaker 1: hear he has a very distinct sound. And again I
Speaker 1: didn't catch van Halen as it was kind of happening
Speaker 1: in my childhood. But when I hear a van Halen song,
Speaker 1: even if I it's I don't know who it is.
Speaker 1: If I just hear the guitar part, I hear the
Speaker 1: Eddie van Halen because I how fast he shreds. By
Speaker 1: the pattern that he does it, you can just tell
Speaker 1: by by by his fingers and it's kind of again
Speaker 1: it's hard to explain when you ask about music, but
Speaker 1: that's what I think about. And I try to always
Speaker 1: try to, uh prepare analogies. And most of the people
Speaker 1: listen to this podcast here between twenty two to forty,
Speaker 1: and if you were to make an analogy to another band,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be tough, because listen van Halen was massive,
Speaker 1: But who later on had the kind of um impact
Speaker 1: or reflected the mass listening that van Halen had well,
Speaker 1: and just what what band can we look at now
Speaker 1: or in the last ten years and see, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: that's how big van Halen was to the people that
Speaker 1: were the kids in the eighties. Well, van Halen hit
Speaker 1: in the late seventies. Ten years later he had Guns
Speaker 1: and Roses. Six years after that, you had Nirvana and
Speaker 1: Pearl Jam. As far as what it is in the
Speaker 1: two thousands, honestly, I wouldn't know. I I haven't. I
Speaker 1: haven't seen any young band that to me have have
Speaker 1: have broken new ground or gone anywhere with playing. The
Speaker 1: other thing about Eddie van Halen you gotta recognize is,
Speaker 1: you know, that's the that's the beginning of the end
Speaker 1: of music being played with human hands on wooden instruments.
Speaker 1: I mean, as a general rule, there's still great rock
Speaker 1: and roll music being made today, but for the last
Speaker 1: twenty thirty years, electronic music has has lived side by side.
Speaker 1: Um you know, computer generated beat driven music has lived
Speaker 1: side by side with rock and rolling in fact overtaken it.
Speaker 1: So when Eddie van Halen broke through, that was still
Speaker 1: just what everybody did. They played instruments, and he's the
Speaker 1: guy showed up. You know what is it the mountain?
Speaker 1: Gladwell says, you need ten thousand hours to be great
Speaker 1: at something. He showed up like a hundred thousand hours.
Speaker 1: And and there hasn't been a musician in the world
Speaker 1: of rock music in the last thirty I can't think
Speaker 1: of a single person you say, set the higher genre
Speaker 1: on it here. I mean Eddie van Halen literally did that.
Speaker 1: He he obliterated what it meant to be a great
Speaker 1: guitar player. For a few years. It really set off
Speaker 1: the equilibrium of the music industry. I mean, he's he's
Speaker 1: he was a genuine earthquake, much the same way ten
Speaker 1: years earlier Jimi Hendricks had been. And that's the only
Speaker 1: two that come to mind that you could say had
Speaker 1: that kind of impact. I heard somebody else today say that,
Speaker 1: you know, the two greatest, most significant chiefs the technology
Speaker 1: in the second half of the twenty century, where the
Speaker 1: electric guitar and the television. And as soon as the
Speaker 1: Jump video hit hit the airways, all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: Eddie van Halen was in control of both. You know,
Speaker 1: when you take a gally that and put him on
Speaker 1: MTV in those videos. Man, forget it. There was just
Speaker 1: nobody that could They could touch him and come close
Speaker 1: and listen. I'm a drummer. And you mentioned Brad Paisley.
Speaker 1: Pasked Brad Paisley with Eddie van Halen and a lot
Speaker 1: of the great country players of today, Keith Urban and
Speaker 1: all sorts of players. They grew up listening to Van
Speaker 1: Halen records. You know, there's there's not as big a
Speaker 1: landscape for a guy to play a guitar and get
Speaker 1: a paycheck in in the world of rock music as
Speaker 1: there is in country music. And there's a lot of
Speaker 1: a lot of guys who were making a lot of
Speaker 1: money playing guitar and country music right now. I grew
Speaker 1: up listening to rock records first, and and of all
Speaker 1: those guys that he was always he was always the guy.
Speaker 1: He's always been the gold standard. Don't have a chance
Speaker 1: to meet Eddie or any of the guys of an Halen.
Speaker 1: I met David Lee Roth several times, but he's the
Speaker 1: only the Pete Angelis who managed the Black Crows. He
Speaker 1: started with Van Halen as their creative director from before
Speaker 1: they had a record deal. He was. He directed all
Speaker 1: their videos, he designed all their lights, he played a
Speaker 1: big part in their stage for Soon. He was, creatively speaking,
Speaker 1: very much a member of that organization and and in
Speaker 1: the David Lee Roth era. You know, was was thought
Speaker 1: of by a lot of people as the fifth member
Speaker 1: of Van Halen. So I know an awful lot about
Speaker 1: that story through Pete. I met Dave in the early
Speaker 1: nineties several times. But I know, I I know a
Speaker 1: lot of people who've worked with Van Halen over the years.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've heard enough stories and here enough things
Speaker 1: to have a fairly consistent sense of of Eddie's work ethic,
Speaker 1: uh and of all the things that motivated him and
Speaker 1: drove him to be what he was. You know, the
Speaker 1: Black Crows were, and I've told you this into your
Speaker 1: face as well. Black Crows to me were instrumental in
Speaker 1: my just music upbringing. And you know, it was the
Speaker 1: bands that you mentioned, which were the grunge bands, but
Speaker 1: the Black Crows felt a little bit like it was
Speaker 1: like dirty rock in the South a little bit. It
Speaker 1: was kind of a bit of what it felt like
Speaker 1: to me is you're trying to describe music and stuff,
Speaker 1: but that's what the Black Crows felt like around that
Speaker 1: same time where I was like, man, I kind of
Speaker 1: actually identify with this rock music a little more. And
Speaker 1: then you know, as you grow up and you start
Speaker 1: to look back and listen to the music, and you
Speaker 1: put out a book I Gotta and I and I
Speaker 1: was looking through the book when you put it out.
Speaker 1: How much crap did you get into for sharing some
Speaker 1: of those stories with the about those guys? Uh? None,
Speaker 1: who's gonna mess with me? Did they anyone reach out
Speaker 1: to you privately go like, come on, dude, wh are
Speaker 1: you gonna be a douche? No? Oh no, There's only
Speaker 1: two people that would probably be offended with anything I wrote.
Speaker 1: The problem with my book is that it felt true.
Speaker 1: So if anybody's gonna say anything to me, especially the
Speaker 1: to the two people that you're referring to, my former partners,
Speaker 1: the brothers Robinson, they've spent their lives uh, spitting out
Speaker 1: as much as they couldn't have thought they could that
Speaker 1: we're honest, We're honest, we're honest. So it's kind of
Speaker 1: hard to build a you know, a reputation on I
Speaker 1: call it like I see it. And then when somebody
Speaker 1: does the same thing, you have a problem with it.
Speaker 1: So I've not heard a word from either one, and
Speaker 1: I can't imagine I ever will the book. You gotta
Speaker 1: check it out. It's called Hard to Handle. The Life
Speaker 1: and Death of the Black Crows's memoir came out May
Speaker 1: of this year, so it came out during the pandemic,
Speaker 1: which the paper the paper back came out, and yeah,
Speaker 1: it's been out for over years in hard book the
Speaker 1: paper but you couldn't you couldn't like do a new
Speaker 1: book tour on it. When I did my paper you know,
Speaker 1: my books paperback was like a whole new level because
Speaker 1: it was distributed. It was a little cheaper to distribute,
Speaker 1: so they put more out. You got to do press again.
Speaker 1: But because the pandemic, I felt like you kind of
Speaker 1: missed out on that. You feel that way, Well, I
Speaker 1: got I did. I mean I did it. I had
Speaker 1: a decent run. I mean from September through I guess
Speaker 1: the last event I did was in February, so you know,
Speaker 1: I mean I did a around twenty book events. It
Speaker 1: certainly would have been the problem for me as it
Speaker 1: turned out, I said, it's a problem. I had just
Speaker 1: started my new radio show at the same right around
Speaker 1: the same time, and it wasn't as easy for me
Speaker 1: to just jump and hit the circuit right away, you know,
Speaker 1: just come flying out of the gate. So, uh, it
Speaker 1: wasn't as coordinated as as it could have been, I guess.
Speaker 1: But you know, the book has legs, like any book
Speaker 1: for people they care about the band, it's always gonna
Speaker 1: be there, and uh, you know that's it is it
Speaker 1: we to every night, travel play, be super close of
Speaker 1: folks when you absolutely cannot stand them. No, you learn
Speaker 1: how to compartmentalize that compartmentalize that stuff really early, you know,
Speaker 1: actually looking back, I mean, but but it didn't start
Speaker 1: where we couldn't stand each other. The band started thickest feeds,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It was like we were
Speaker 1: kids who agreed on a dream and we put everything
Speaker 1: we had behind it. And it takes years before anyone's
Speaker 1: willing to stick their head up out of the sand
Speaker 1: and go, hey, I think I'm kind of miserable, or
Speaker 1: I think I don't trust you anymore. It's a long
Speaker 1: long time before, at least it wasn't on the case
Speaker 1: of the Black Crows, before we all felt comfortable saying
Speaker 1: those things or even admitting them to ourselves is really
Speaker 1: the first step. Um. You know, there's an awful lot
Speaker 1: of there's a lot of love, and there's a lot
Speaker 1: of betrayal, and there's a lot of fear and loathing
Speaker 1: and insecurity and arrogance and all those sort of things
Speaker 1: just on kind of hyper drive in a band like ours.
Speaker 1: And so by the time you were able to admit
Speaker 1: to yourself this isn't what I was hoping for, you
Speaker 1: figured out how to play and just about any circumstance,
Speaker 1: in any situation, and if the band is still good,
Speaker 1: then you tell yourself, well, hey man, you know, look
Speaker 1: at what we just did on stage for two and
Speaker 1: a half hours. It's worth it, you know, whatever else
Speaker 1: is going on, it's worth it to be in a
Speaker 1: band like this. Do you guys have any bands that
Speaker 1: you hated like that you saw playing and not because
Speaker 1: they weren't good, but because just as people, you were like,
Speaker 1: they're not for us and we don't want to be
Speaker 1: friends with them. Yeah. Oh well, well my band was
Speaker 1: the worst at having a long list of bands we
Speaker 1: didn't get along with. I mean, I'm a pretty agreeable dude.
Speaker 1: I get along with just about anybody, but my partners
Speaker 1: weren't that way, and as a band, our reputation was
Speaker 1: definitely a bit stand office. I mean, we either It's
Speaker 1: like the mindset of the Black Crows was we either
Speaker 1: love you or we have no time for you. Not
Speaker 1: necessarily hated you, but you know, if if we didn't
Speaker 1: embrace what you did, it was kind of like, yeah,
Speaker 1: whatever I mean. Um, you know, there there were there
Speaker 1: were some amusing things over the years. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: think if there was. When Shaking money Maker came out,
Speaker 1: we got lumped in with Slaughter and skid Row and
Speaker 1: a lot of bands that we had no regard for,
Speaker 1: and we did cross paths with those guys sometimes, and
Speaker 1: we were, for better or worse, one of the few
Speaker 1: bands who would actually look at some other band and go, dude,
Speaker 1: I don't want to talk to you, I don't like
Speaker 1: your music. I think you're a clown. Just just leaves.
Speaker 1: This isn't gonna be good for you. You know, we
Speaker 1: we we actually acted like that to other bands in
Speaker 1: the early days. Um, it was kind of funny to
Speaker 1: us too. You know, we all grew up watching Bill
Speaker 1: Murray movies. We were all just trying to be like
Speaker 1: that guy in stripes, but in a rock band on
Speaker 1: a certain sense. But then you know, it's weird to
Speaker 1: open up a magazine and see a band that you
Speaker 1: can't stand right next to you. And like, back in
Speaker 1: those days, you'd see rock mags and it would be
Speaker 1: readers pull our two favorite bands, Warrant and the Black Crows,
Speaker 1: and we'd be like, what were weaz with Warrant? You know,
Speaker 1: And I look back now and I don't care about Warrant.
Speaker 1: I wish those guys well, I don't care about any
Speaker 1: these fans. But when you're three and you get your
Speaker 1: first shot at it, man, you take everything a little
Speaker 1: too seriously, or at least we did. You know a
Speaker 1: lot of my buds who are artists now and mostly
Speaker 1: a few years ago before they started to settle down.
Speaker 1: But people would girls would reach out to them through
Speaker 1: direct message on Instagram and so then that's how they
Speaker 1: would link up. That's how they would meet later and
Speaker 1: they would do whatever they do later on. How back
Speaker 1: in the nineties would you guys meet the chicks that
Speaker 1: you would hang out with each Sydney. You know, this
Speaker 1: is the sad truth about the Black Crows. Um that
Speaker 1: was hardly a priority for us as a band. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, for me, I mean I've been with the
Speaker 1: same moment since the end of I'm you know, I'm
Speaker 1: thirty years last month in a monogamous relationship. So but
Speaker 1: but you know, if if I have to think back
Speaker 1: to before that, when we were on the road, it
Speaker 1: was just like it was when you're a local band.
Speaker 1: You just show up and meet somebody in the town
Speaker 1: and move on. It wasn't a question of there was
Speaker 1: no thought to uh. I know, bands that that that
Speaker 1: was sort of their raisin day after, you know, like
Speaker 1: they hit the road and it was just a matter
Speaker 1: of surround themselves with women at all times. The truth
Speaker 1: is just you know, of all the things about the
Speaker 1: Black Crows that made no sense, one thing that made
Speaker 1: a lot of sense was we were obsessed with being
Speaker 1: a great live band. And we got on the bus
Speaker 1: at the end of the night and everybody was drinking
Speaker 1: and everybody was smoking weed in the early days before
Speaker 1: harder drugs moved into the scene. But we were listening
Speaker 1: to live bootlegs instead of partying in the dressing room
Speaker 1: with girls. We were literally we would record our shows
Speaker 1: and listen back that night and and talk about where
Speaker 1: a jam could have gone farther, or where we went
Speaker 1: too far, or how do how do we get the
Speaker 1: rhythm section to carry this interim section between these two songs.
Speaker 1: I mean, we were we were obsessed with that in
Speaker 1: the earliest days. And I think a lot of bands
Speaker 1: at the road and they're already sort of fully formed.
Speaker 1: We we were making it up as we went. Like
Speaker 1: our first album came out, we hit the road in
Speaker 1: support of it, and we've never played more than four
Speaker 1: nights in a row in our life. And suddenly we
Speaker 1: went on tour for twenty months. We had never toured before.
Speaker 1: We already had a song on the rock charts before
Speaker 1: we'd ever toured, so we felt like we had a lot.
Speaker 1: We had to make up a lot of ground. You know,
Speaker 1: we were we were coming from behind from the jump,
Speaker 1: and you know, individually, I'm sure members of the band
Speaker 1: were doing whatever they could with women, but as a
Speaker 1: band scene, we never had a groupie vibe ever. There
Speaker 1: was never The word on the street was never the
Speaker 1: black crows are looking for women. It was always the
Speaker 1: black crowsters looking for drugs, if anything. And two more
Speaker 1: things to talk to you about. The first thing is
Speaker 1: in the heyday, when you guys are just knocking them out.
Speaker 1: Who is the most famous fan that came up to you? Guys?
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm just such a die hard fan.
Speaker 1: We're like, holy crap, that's that's crazy because you're awesome.
Speaker 1: That's a good question. We had a lot of app leats.
Speaker 1: There was a lot of pro athletes, you know, a
Speaker 1: lot of dudes just you know, football players and basketball players.
Speaker 1: Um as far as like you know, a movie star
Speaker 1: or man. I'm trying to think, I mean, because the
Speaker 1: ones we were most impressed with were just other musicians.
Speaker 1: Like the first time we met Malcolm and Angus Young
Speaker 1: of a C d C. They were like, just a
Speaker 1: proper band. You guys are great, we love your record.
Speaker 1: I mean that meant more than that's way bigger Julia
Speaker 1: Roberts coming up to you, or David Duchovny from the
Speaker 1: X Files or I'm just trying to think of people
Speaker 1: that we cost. You know, it's nice, but we really
Speaker 1: were the band that, like, you know, we opened for
Speaker 1: Robert Plant on our first tour for six weeks and
Speaker 1: the first show was at Red Rocks and he burst
Speaker 1: into our dressing room to go, hey, guys, I'm so
Speaker 1: glad you're here. I love the record, and I mean,
Speaker 1: there's no coming. There's nothing better than that, literally, nothing
Speaker 1: like Robert Plant knows our name. What kind of weird
Speaker 1: world are we in all of a sudden, so famous
Speaker 1: person that wasn't in the music would have been a
Speaker 1: long you know, way way back in second place behind
Speaker 1: those kind of things. Well, and I want to end
Speaker 1: on this because we started talking about Eddie van Halen
Speaker 1: where you know, Eddie and his brother were the two
Speaker 1: constants in van Halen the band. They switched out lead singers,
Speaker 1: you know, two wildly successful another you know, when the
Speaker 1: gay from Extreme came over not so much. But I
Speaker 1: think you know that band had kind of aged a
Speaker 1: bit as well. So I don't know that it was
Speaker 1: his fault exactly, but if and you can speak on
Speaker 1: the power of Eddie and his brother and and and
Speaker 1: then being the force of that band. But but to
Speaker 1: start it off with this, you know, could the Black
Speaker 1: Crows have switched lead singers and and continue to move
Speaker 1: on um? And how hard is that to do? Uh? Well, well,
Speaker 1: I mean yes, the Black Crows could have switched out
Speaker 1: Chris Robinson at some point and still managed to find career,
Speaker 1: if that's what we were concerned with, maintaining a career. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we could have found a singer that could act like
Speaker 1: a frontman, and we could have brought in outside writers
Speaker 1: to write songs that were sure or to be hit.
Speaker 1: But every element, everything about how we went about being
Speaker 1: the Black Prows, none of it was guided by those thoughts.
Speaker 1: So really, I mean on paper, yes, of course, in reality,
Speaker 1: not a chance. I mean, Chris was the engine that drove,
Speaker 1: that motivated or you know, he he led the band
Speaker 1: for better and oftentimes for worse, wherever we were going,
Speaker 1: and his inspiration it was the guiding light. And oftentimes
Speaker 1: I would say, like I wish he had been inspired
Speaker 1: somewhere else or by something else. It was difficult, but
Speaker 1: it was just the reality of that band. I can't
Speaker 1: imagine how we would have functioned with somebody else, because
Speaker 1: you know, it's like the Almond Brothers. They did very
Speaker 1: well without Dwayne Almond, but there was a vacuum that
Speaker 1: everybody tried to fill. They were successful, but the essence
Speaker 1: of what made that band so special was gone forever.
Speaker 1: If if if, that is, if something had happened to
Speaker 1: Chris in the nineties. There's no way you can replace that.
Speaker 1: We could have been a functioning band, certainly, and like
Speaker 1: I said, we may have and successful, but it would
Speaker 1: not have been the same thing. And and you know,
Speaker 1: because Chris was the catalyst. He wasn't responsible for He's
Speaker 1: not singularly responsible for any of it, but he was.
Speaker 1: You know, you have to recognize what the catalyst is
Speaker 1: and it was him. Dwane Allman was the catalyst for
Speaker 1: the Olmer Brothers, not Greg Almond. Noel Gallagher is the
Speaker 1: catalyst and Oasis. Could they have worked without Lamb, sure,
Speaker 1: but it would have been very different. It wouldn't have
Speaker 1: been the same. And that's the case in the Black
Speaker 1: Crows for sure. Well how about van Halen, you got
Speaker 1: I mean, it's all about Eddie, It's all about it.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's a sect, but honestly lives
Speaker 1: upland could have worked if Robert Plant had checked out
Speaker 1: after a couple of records. That's Jimmy Hendrick, I mean
Speaker 1: Jimmy Hendricks, that's Jimmy Page's band. That was his baby.
Speaker 1: He envisioned that whole thing. When you have a guy
Speaker 1: like Eddie van Halen, Uh, you know, David Lee Ross.
Speaker 1: For the people that don't know or don't remember from
Speaker 1: seventy eight to eighties nine, he was a of your
Speaker 1: rock stars. There wasn't a planet. Eddie van Halen really
Speaker 1: wasn't a rock star. He married a TV star. He
Speaker 1: did a lot of drugs, but he did drugs and
Speaker 1: just went to his room and wrote songs. You know,
Speaker 1: he wasn't a party He wasn't partying to be partying.
Speaker 1: He was just an addict at the end of the
Speaker 1: day who was obsessed with making music and doing it
Speaker 1: his own way. And he was the guy. You know,
Speaker 1: it's it speaks to what we said at the beginning,
Speaker 1: like just what a complete unicorn he was. That the
Speaker 1: band that you know that you could have David Lee
Speaker 1: Roth as your front man and still people went to
Speaker 1: see Van Halen and he would do a ten or
Speaker 1: eleven minute guitar solo on stage alone. Do you know
Speaker 1: how long ten minutes is? No one went to the bathroom,
Speaker 1: That's what everybody was there for. And he's just just
Speaker 1: a totally No rules that any other band ever had
Speaker 1: to operate under apply to Van Halen, and that's because
Speaker 1: of Eddie van Halen. There he is Steve Gorman. You
Speaker 1: can check out the book Hard to Handle the Life
Speaker 1: and Death of the Black Crows and Memoir, which paperback
Speaker 1: came out in You can also follow on Instagram at
Speaker 1: Steve Understore Underscore Gorman Underscore. You had to get both
Speaker 1: those underscores in there. I got both of them. Man,
Speaker 1: I can't relate to the Instagram game. All the Steve
Speaker 1: Gorman versions were taking and then Trigger Hippie plays drums
Speaker 1: and Trigger Hippie so check that? What what what's Trigger
Speaker 1: Hippie up to? Well? I mean, like everybody else, we're
Speaker 1: just waiting. You know. We put a record out last Fall,
Speaker 1: Full Circle and then some and we were out touring.
Speaker 1: I mean again, we were on the road September to
Speaker 1: March pretty consistently, and uh, I think our last gig
Speaker 1: was March seventh, and then, like everybody else, now we're
Speaker 1: just on the sidelines wait for somebody to wave a
Speaker 1: green flag. Yeah. Well, I appreciate the time. I appreciate
Speaker 1: you talking about uh Eddie van Halen how much he
Speaker 1: meant to you and rock music and then catching up
Speaker 1: on the Black Crows. I hope you have a good day, man.
Speaker 1: Thank you again, Yeah, thank you brother, pick here. Bobby
Speaker 1: and Eddie's music school is now in session, up in
Speaker 1: the morning and out to food. All right, Eddie is
Speaker 1: here with me, Eddie, what are you gonna teach us today?
Speaker 1: All right? So you know Chicken Fried by Zack Brown
Speaker 1: Band right to me. This is the song that Zack
Speaker 1: Brown Band is known for. This kicked off their huge career.
Speaker 1: It's their song, but at one time it almost wasn't.
Speaker 1: So it was written by Zach and someone else. But
Speaker 1: and they recorded as a band in two thousand and six.
Speaker 1: But then they stopped it. They say, hey, radio, pull
Speaker 1: this because there's interest from someone else. Alan Jackson is
Speaker 1: thinking about recording this and putting this out. So they
Speaker 1: put a hold on it. They said, all right, stop it.
Speaker 1: Alan sat on it for a little bit and then said, guys,
Speaker 1: I'm just not gonna do it. I'm not feeling it.
Speaker 1: And do you want another reason why? He said, recently
Speaker 1: I had songs like about corn bread and chicken. I
Speaker 1: had a Bolognian one of my songs, and it just
Speaker 1: food is happening right now a lot of my albums.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stay away from chicken Fried. I don't want
Speaker 1: to be known as the food guy. So he turned
Speaker 1: it down. Zach Brown Band said okay, fine, we'll keep it,
Speaker 1: and now this is their jam of course. Pretty interesting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that is pretty cool. I can't think of the Zach
Speaker 1: Brown band with Bologney in it. I know, he yeah,
Speaker 1: the Alan Jackson song, I know, the the corn bread,
Speaker 1: corn bread and chicken, yeah where I come from. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but where's the Bologney song? Mike? When you google Allan Jackson? Oh,
Speaker 1: I still like bologny. I don't even know that song.
Speaker 1: Must be an album cut, Alan, and we don't know
Speaker 1: that song. You could have gone with chicken fried? Dude?
Speaker 1: Was that a single? Really? I don't know that song.
Speaker 1: I don't either, but but you know what I do,
Speaker 1: we have. I still like Bologny in the system. You
Speaker 1: know what I thought too, is really things that we
Speaker 1: don't care about. Like if if Alan would have put
Speaker 1: out chicken fried and he had cornbread and chicken and
Speaker 1: the Bologney song, I don't think we would care too much.
Speaker 1: We wouldn't even probably think about calling him the food guy.
Speaker 1: But in his mind, it's a brand, and he's like,
Speaker 1: I can't be known as a food guy, especially fried chicken.
Speaker 1: They's satellite communication. I know this all long distance, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just didn't know it's called It's like I still
Speaker 1: like maloney white bread, Yeah of course, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know it's all willing, good enough. Don't embrace it
Speaker 1: like I should. Wouldn't want to go back even if
Speaker 1: by here we go, here's the chorus. But I still
Speaker 1: like a brand and that's colonial white bread with mustard.
Speaker 1: Love it. Not the best for me healthwise, no, but
Speaker 1: love it. But Alan Jackson did say in retrospect, I
Speaker 1: should have recorded that. Yeah, how about this my version
Speaker 1: of music school. I want to talk about Chris Stapleton's
Speaker 1: number one songs as a songwriter. So he only has
Speaker 1: one number one as a singer artist, which is ok
Speaker 1: in Halos, which at two thousand one number one or
Speaker 1: two thousand eighteen millionaire, was only a number two. Woh,
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. But that's his only radio number
Speaker 1: one Broken Halos. His album has been number one forever.
Speaker 1: It was number one in a lot of weeks. But
Speaker 1: he's had several number ones as just a songwriter more
Speaker 1: than as being an artist. So I thought we'd look
Speaker 1: at his country number one's Josh Turner your Man, just
Speaker 1: to be you that video and Chris came in before
Speaker 1: he was a big deal. We set him on the
Speaker 1: show a lot and he played this because he was
Speaker 1: songwriter Chris Stapleton's It's got millions of yous on our
Speaker 1: YouTube channel, Chris Stapleton doing your Man, and it was
Speaker 1: very different than Josh Turner's version because Chris sings higher
Speaker 1: and angrier and angrier. Right, So, yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1: That was a number one for Josh Turner. Another one
Speaker 1: is Thomas Rhett Crash and Burn and if I'm not
Speaker 1: in Spake and Bone, I think he's singing in the
Speaker 1: background the song. He said, Oh yeah, I'm right there, yeah,
Speaker 1: doing background vocals and I again, if I'm not mistaking,
Speaker 1: I think he's doing the wh Yeah. We asked him that.
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, is that the Chain Gang song?
Speaker 1: They were like, no, that's me because do you know
Speaker 1: chain Gang song? He goes on the Chang Gang. He goes,
Speaker 1: that's the sound of them and working on the Chain Gang.
Speaker 1: Know ye Never Wanted Nothing More by Kenny Chesney Nothing Moved,
Speaker 1: Nothing Move, released in two thousand seven. He wrote that
Speaker 1: I didn't know that he wrote comeback song by Darius Rucker.
Speaker 1: Because I didn't know. This is such a damn. Stapleton
Speaker 1: has written two songs with Darius over the years. This
Speaker 1: one got him a number one spot on the charts,
Speaker 1: which is pretty cool. I wonder if Chris ever plays
Speaker 1: these songs live. Probably not now. I bet he did
Speaker 1: early when he is a songwriter. Don't have a bunch
Speaker 1: of hits now. People want to hear his songs for sure, yes,
Speaker 1: but I would love to hear him sing this one.
Speaker 1: The best thing that I had going by Brad Paisley.
Speaker 1: This is way back in the day. So number one
Speaker 1: as one, number one as an artist, the five five
Speaker 1: as a songwriters, so six total. Pretty cool. That's awesome.
Speaker 1: He's got new music. I think that two songs out
Speaker 1: right now. He has the one that we play, but
Speaker 1: then he has another one called Cold. Yeah, the one
Speaker 1: we play is really good. I like it. Well start again,
Speaker 1: begin again? What's that starting over? Yeah? Yeah? I mean
Speaker 1: everybody loves Chris Stapleton. There's one thing we can agree
Speaker 1: on in this country. We all love. Everybody loves Chris Stapleton. Eddie,
Speaker 1: tell me about your podcast, Sore Loses podcast me lunch
Speaker 1: Box and Raimundo and we talk sports guy stuff. We
Speaker 1: get on each other's nerve, but then we make each
Speaker 1: other laugh. So it's a good podcast. Check it out.
Speaker 1: You like sports or idiots, that's exactly what he's playing
Speaker 1: out Fred. Check out the Sore Losers podcast. All right,
Speaker 1: thank you very much, Cassie. How are you? I'm good?
Speaker 1: How are you? I'm real good. I was looking at
Speaker 1: your Instagram the other day, which just fascinated with the
Speaker 1: clothes that you make. That's a whole side topic. But
Speaker 1: and you had a motorcycle with you and you were like, man,
Speaker 1: this is such a natural endorsement for me to have
Speaker 1: or the record label to have. And then I saw
Speaker 1: you put out a song that was, you know, basically
Speaker 1: in that same vein, which is Black Motorcycle, which came
Speaker 1: out on Wednesday. So I guess you grew up with motorcycles. Yes,
Speaker 1: I did. I My dad had one to my entire life,
Speaker 1: and he always took me up from my mom's house
Speaker 1: on one. And I grew up on their bikes, like
Speaker 1: when had trails throughout a whole bomb. So that was
Speaker 1: just you couldn't keep me off of them, so you
Speaker 1: like to drive them or ride on them. Um, Now,
Speaker 1: now that I'm old enough that I had my life Sinse.
Speaker 1: I definitely drive, and I drove dirt bikes, but growing
Speaker 1: up I was on debt the entire childhood. Did they
Speaker 1: give you a free Harley for this? Um? No, no, no,
Speaker 1: but I'll call my That would make my entire life
Speaker 1: that happen. Yeah. Well, I love that you put the
Speaker 1: song out on a Wednesday too. Is there a theory
Speaker 1: for you behind putting out music on a Wednesday instead
Speaker 1: of the standard put it out on a Friday. I
Speaker 1: wanted to kind of avoid the crowd of a Friday
Speaker 1: because I know it's just a music fan when Friday
Speaker 1: rules around, Like, I'm trying to get through all the
Speaker 1: music that I want to get to, and you know,
Speaker 1: our lives are fast paced, we're all busy, and it's
Speaker 1: really hard to do that. So I thought, I really
Speaker 1: loved my favorite armies came out there and saw on
Speaker 1: a Wednesday, so that I had time to digestic for
Speaker 1: everything else hit. So I thought, why not do that myself?
Speaker 1: This song? Was it already a song that existed before
Speaker 1: you got Hardy to be a part of it. Yes,
Speaker 1: I wrote this song like three years ago. Huh, And
Speaker 1: so you had it. Did you pitched them, Hey, we
Speaker 1: may put this out if you guys want to be
Speaker 1: a part of it, or we're putting it out, would
Speaker 1: you guys like to be a part of it? Well,
Speaker 1: we we honestly thought about just putting it out, and
Speaker 1: then last year Holy came to my Sensis performance and
Speaker 1: we started on conversations. They knew how big of a
Speaker 1: Harley fan I was. They got to be my dad,
Speaker 1: I got to go up to the museum and tour,
Speaker 1: and then it was it was like a no brainer,
Speaker 1: let's put the song out and announced the partnership. I
Speaker 1: was looking at your your TikTok. You got a TikTok
Speaker 1: that has three point two million views, like one of
Speaker 1: yours is it's one of your friends acting out a
Speaker 1: scene from Harry Potter? Were you first of all, Hey,
Speaker 1: that's awesome to get three million views on a TikTok.
Speaker 1: We did one at the house last week and it's
Speaker 1: got two point four million right now. And I was
Speaker 1: looking at it before I came over. I was like,
Speaker 1: Holy crab, And then I looked at yours and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, man, Cassie crushed us. But were you
Speaker 1: guys on a train when you did this. Yes, we
Speaker 1: were on a trane in Germany and we didn't think, oh,
Speaker 1: let's make a TikTok. We didn't anything. That was just
Speaker 1: my guitar Jane by guitar player games, just thinking themselves.
Speaker 1: That all happened to record it. And then when I
Speaker 1: was told like, hey, you got a post to two
Speaker 1: talks about making TikTok, that was the perfect one. And
Speaker 1: of course it got like three million years and like
Speaker 1: a couple of days, I think, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: all I had to do was high guitar player, and
Speaker 1: so this was the secret all along. I watched your
Speaker 1: tutorial on how to customize your iPhone with the new
Speaker 1: operating system. Yours look obviously because it's you, super cool
Speaker 1: and artsy. Did I see that you helped Marion Morris
Speaker 1: do that on her phone too? Yeah? I did. She
Speaker 1: texted me and I that was the first before I
Speaker 1: made this when I sent her which was like not
Speaker 1: as in depth as the one I posted, and she's like,
Speaker 1: thank you so much, and so she said this is
Speaker 1: still other people this. So I made a full tutorial
Speaker 1: and posted it and it was crazy because people were
Speaker 1: coming me, coming to me with like other questions, and
Speaker 1: I was like, listen, I have no I've just tood
Speaker 1: at customization in anything in life and those than that
Speaker 1: so far. So you just an all around artist, if
Speaker 1: it's music or fashion or even customizing your iPhone. When
Speaker 1: did this start for you? Whenever you had the itch
Speaker 1: to be creative? Oh, as soon as I was old
Speaker 1: enough to realize that can be. I think I didn't
Speaker 1: decide one day that I was going to be creative.
Speaker 1: I just was made that way. My mom would let
Speaker 1: me take my clothes out, literally in kindergarten, and I
Speaker 1: would put dress up close together, and I would watch
Speaker 1: her so and he sang, so I sang, and it
Speaker 1: just kind of came together. And I think as I
Speaker 1: got older, I learned that the best, most rewarding thing
Speaker 1: to me is to see something in on in my
Speaker 1: brain and then you know, bring it to fruition myself.
Speaker 1: That's like the most It makes me happier than anything
Speaker 1: in the world. So I learned every material you can
Speaker 1: do that with. Basically, I saw you building things at
Speaker 1: your house too. How many dy projects, big ones do
Speaker 1: you think you've done this year? Oh? A lot? I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know. Maybe oh, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I did my whole kitchen, I did my master bathroom,
Speaker 1: I did my backyard. I did so many outfits, probably
Speaker 1: like curly outfits. I had to stop because that much
Speaker 1: favage is really expensive and I had nowhere to wear them.
Speaker 1: So what was the point? I have to be creative?
Speaker 1: Ook to day. That was sec not losing my mind.
Speaker 1: You talk about your clothes. I brought it up to
Speaker 1: what percentage of your clothes do you make versus what
Speaker 1: you buy? I would say when it comes to like
Speaker 1: performances and like appearances that I do, I would say,
Speaker 1: I of what I wear, I made Wow. Yeah. Do
Speaker 1: you ever gift someone an outfit like, hey, I made
Speaker 1: this for you? Very rarely? I made Marion Morris, so
Speaker 1: we mentioned there. I made her coat for like, a
Speaker 1: very fancy still brocade robe for like when she asked
Speaker 1: me to be on her tour. I made that for her.
Speaker 1: The sleeves were fur lined. And I have made my
Speaker 1: manager a set of look through with LT pajamas. Not
Speaker 1: it is that something that you would like to do,
Speaker 1: because you know people have side deals where side hustles
Speaker 1: and like Rihanna designs clothes or is this just a
Speaker 1: you thing right now. For now, it's a meet thing.
Speaker 1: But it's funny that you bring up Rihanna, because that's
Speaker 1: like when people are like, what do you want to
Speaker 1: do with close eventually? That is a great example like
Speaker 1: music will always lead away, will always be the forefront.
Speaker 1: It's what I love the most. But I wouldn't love
Speaker 1: to have a line one day. Love Cassie Ashton on
Speaker 1: with us. Black Motorcycle came out on Wednesday. You've got
Speaker 1: so many good songs. I'm just such a big fan
Speaker 1: of her entire body of work and you just just
Speaker 1: love what you're doing. Keep it up and thanks for
Speaker 1: spending a few minutes with me, and I hope you
Speaker 1: have a good rest of the week. Thank you you too, Alright,
Speaker 1: Bye Cassie. Bye m