WEBVTT - #265 - Remembering Eddie Van Halen with Steve Gorman (Black Crowes/Trigger Hippy) + Alan Jackson Passed On Zac Brown Band’s ‘Chicken Fried’ + Kassi Ashton on Her New Song and Getting 3 Million Views on TikTok 0:00:02.240 --> 0:00:06.600 Welcome to Episode Too six five. Here we go, we'll 0:00:06.640 --> 0:00:09.719 talk about Eddie van Halen with Steve Gorman. Listen, I 0:00:09.760 --> 0:00:12.840 needed to have a little Eddie van Halen lesson. I mean, 0:00:12.880 --> 0:00:15.360 I know some van Halen songs. Here are the top 0:00:15.400 --> 0:00:19.040 five streaming van Halen songs. And this is because Eddie 0:00:19.079 --> 0:00:22.280 van Halen died this last week, and so Steve Gorman 0:00:22.320 --> 0:00:24.440 is also on the Black Crows. Here you go. Number five, 0:00:24.800 --> 0:00:32.600 ain't talking about love all right? Number four Hot for Teacher, 0:00:35.880 --> 0:00:39.360 you know that one. I know that one too. Number 0:00:39.400 --> 0:00:50.320 three Running with the Devil. Number two Panama. You know 0:00:50.400 --> 0:00:54.320 this one, hey, Emma, get stuck in your head. And 0:00:54.320 --> 0:00:57.280 then obviously the number one is massive. I think everybody 0:00:57.320 --> 0:01:06.160 knows this jump, right, everybody knows that one, but van 0:01:06.200 --> 0:01:09.319 Halen massive. But I just missed them in my life. 0:01:09.360 --> 0:01:12.920 So this was an interesting interview coming up. The thing 0:01:12.920 --> 0:01:16.119 about this Too jump was van Halen's one and only 0:01:16.200 --> 0:01:18.480 number one. As big as massive as they are, it 0:01:18.560 --> 0:01:20.160 was just harder to get a number one back then. 0:01:20.640 --> 0:01:23.840 Just in general, their most famous song jump, which is 0:01:23.959 --> 0:01:26.679 that number one streamer, took only one day to finish 0:01:27.120 --> 0:01:28.560 and went to the top of the billboard. Hot one 0:01:28.600 --> 0:01:31.960 hundred and got him a Grammy nomination. Eddie played the 0:01:32.000 --> 0:01:36.640 guitar solo on Michael Jackson's Beat It, So if you 0:01:36.720 --> 0:01:39.720 listen to that song, that's Eddie van Halen shredding on it. 0:01:41.080 --> 0:01:44.679 Eddie also began on the drums. He couldn't read sheet music, 0:01:45.080 --> 0:01:49.080 which is pretty crazy. Is to beat it right here. 0:01:51.400 --> 0:01:53.440 And then he also had serious stage fright, which is 0:01:53.440 --> 0:01:58.960 crazy because the guy played arena's massive places. It's always 0:01:58.960 --> 0:02:02.080 crazy when you hear like the the White Stripes. She 0:02:02.800 --> 0:02:05.400 apparently had so much stage fright that they couldn't even 0:02:05.400 --> 0:02:08.960 play at times. It isn't that crazy to think about. So, 0:02:09.120 --> 0:02:11.800 and also Alex and Eddie were the only two consistent members. 0:02:12.120 --> 0:02:15.280 David Lee Roth was a singer. Michael Anthony was the 0:02:15.360 --> 0:02:20.440 announced Sammy Hey Gar Gary Sharone, so that's crazy. And 0:02:20.480 --> 0:02:24.160 they switched lead singers, which and we're as successful with 0:02:24.200 --> 0:02:27.480 a different lead singer, which is nuts. So we'll talk 0:02:27.520 --> 0:02:30.240 about that with Steve Gorman on the way my New 0:02:30.320 --> 0:02:35.919 Music Top five this week, Here we go. Travis has 0:02:35.919 --> 0:02:38.480 a new album coming out. I love Travis the Band, 0:02:39.240 --> 0:02:41.280 and so I haven't heard it yet. I'm gonna listen 0:02:41.320 --> 0:02:42.960 to it. Today. But you know, some of this is 0:02:43.120 --> 0:02:45.760 stuff I haven't been able to spend time with, but 0:02:46.120 --> 0:02:48.440 stuff that I look forward to as well. But Travis 0:02:48.480 --> 0:02:51.079 has a new song out. But Travis has a new 0:02:51.480 --> 0:02:53.920 But Travis has a new record out. You may know 0:02:54.000 --> 0:02:58.040 Travis for Why does It Always rain on Me? Is 0:02:58.040 --> 0:03:00.600 it because I lied when I was seventeen? Do you 0:03:00.639 --> 0:03:03.040 know that song? You know? I've only heard him because 0:03:03.040 --> 0:03:06.160 you talk about it, you know, sing sing sings, But 0:03:06.280 --> 0:03:08.799 I love you bring They haven't had that song in 0:03:08.880 --> 0:03:11.600 the office, unlike the first season when Jim puts his 0:03:11.680 --> 0:03:14.080 earphone into Palm's ear and she's like, what are you 0:03:14.120 --> 0:03:16.840 listening to? And it's Travis sing Anyway, Travis has a 0:03:16.840 --> 0:03:19.000 new album out today. Um, Mike, you just played one 0:03:19.040 --> 0:03:26.480 of their songs for me. Yeah, that's what's called Valentine. 0:03:27.280 --> 0:03:30.040 Travis Denning has a new song out called good Years 0:03:30.480 --> 0:03:38.560 that's at number four. Holling All Them good A CDC 0:03:38.600 --> 0:03:41.000 announced they're releasing a new album called Power Up. It's 0:03:41.040 --> 0:03:43.440 their first album in six years. They put out a 0:03:43.440 --> 0:03:48.760 new song called shot in the Dark. Hey, speaking of 0:03:48.800 --> 0:03:52.720 bands who change lead singers and think about that. But 0:03:52.800 --> 0:03:54.920 they went from Bond Scott who died in the seventies. 0:03:54.920 --> 0:03:57.240 He choked on his own vomit because you know he 0:03:57.320 --> 0:04:01.040 was a big drinker, if I'm right about this, and 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:03.120 then they switched to Brian Johnson, who is the singer. 0:04:03.160 --> 0:04:05.200 Now there's only been a few of those bands to 0:04:05.280 --> 0:04:06.920 do that. A C d C did it. I'm not 0:04:06.920 --> 0:04:09.280 looking at notes here, so um A C d C 0:04:09.440 --> 0:04:12.280 did it. Obviously, Van Halen did it, and Genesis did it. 0:04:13.000 --> 0:04:15.040 It was Peter Gabriel and then they went on a 0:04:15.080 --> 0:04:17.200 search and they ended up hiring their drummer to do it. 0:04:17.279 --> 0:04:20.920 To move forward, but just Phil Collins, which is insane. 0:04:21.560 --> 0:04:25.880 Whole other topic. Cassie Ashton has a new song out 0:04:25.880 --> 0:04:34.960 called Black Motorcycle. Here's a clip of that and she 0:04:35.000 --> 0:04:37.039 will be on later to talk about that song. And 0:04:37.080 --> 0:04:40.880 then Super Pumped Brother's Osborne have a new album out 0:04:40.920 --> 0:04:43.920 called Skeletons Love These Guys. Here's a new song called 0:04:44.000 --> 0:04:58.760 Lightning Up. Who'll keep because we'll be more new albums, 0:04:59.240 --> 0:05:02.839 Blue Oyster, Colt Jackson, Brown, Dire Straits, The Doors, Dang, 0:05:02.880 --> 0:05:04.200 a lot of old bands right there in a row. 0:05:04.960 --> 0:05:09.080 It's like classic rock radio new album Wait, five Finger Death, Punch, Punch, 0:05:09.760 --> 0:05:14.680 Lincoln Park's Hybrid Theory Anniversary Sad Day. He's got a 0:05:14.720 --> 0:05:19.320 whole box set coming out. Do you know said slow song? Yeah, 0:05:19.520 --> 0:05:22.960 it's my bubble bet song. Uh. In the Music News 0:05:23.000 --> 0:05:26.200 before we get into some interviews, Johnny Nash, who had 0:05:26.240 --> 0:05:29.320 I Can See Clearly Now, died at eighty years old. 0:05:30.000 --> 0:05:35.440 Bright Bright, Bright, Sunshine Day. It's a jam. People still 0:05:35.520 --> 0:05:39.760 know that song, hey, because of commercials or movies. But 0:05:39.800 --> 0:05:42.039 I bet that song made him a bunch of money. 0:05:42.600 --> 0:05:44.960 Machine Gun Kelly just earned his first number one album 0:05:45.240 --> 0:05:48.479 and it was his rock album. Right. Did you like 0:05:48.600 --> 0:05:52.560 this like? It's like right up my alley? It's pump punk? Huh? 0:05:52.640 --> 0:05:54.200 Did he do some stuff with Blake one eighty two 0:05:54.240 --> 0:05:56.280 for this? Travis Barker produced the whole thing and he 0:05:56.279 --> 0:05:59.440 played drums on it. Did Little Wayne try to do 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:01.640 a punk thing? Like a rock punk thing too? It 0:06:01.760 --> 0:06:04.800 was just more just straight up rock, but one very good. 0:06:05.240 --> 0:06:06.760 It wasn't good. He tried to play guitar, and you 0:06:06.760 --> 0:06:10.520 can't play a guitar? Can Machine Gun Kelly he played 0:06:10.520 --> 0:06:12.760 with a guitar on it? No? I mean can he? 0:06:12.920 --> 0:06:16.320 I know he made basic stuff, but nothing crazy. Coachella 0:06:16.400 --> 0:06:20.400 might already postponed again for April one to next October. 0:06:20.640 --> 0:06:24.200 They just keep kicking the can, which they should. So 0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:26.559 if you're going to go to Coachella and then Dolly 0:06:26.600 --> 0:06:30.479 Parton's Playboy cover for seventy birthday, is this happening yet? 0:06:30.640 --> 0:06:32.800 Not yet? Okay? I knew they were talking about it, 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:35.560 I didn't know if they confirmed it. But and also 0:06:35.640 --> 0:06:38.080 she wouldn't have to be naked on it. They wouldn't 0:06:38.080 --> 0:06:39.240 want her naked. I don't think she was naked on 0:06:39.240 --> 0:06:42.840 the original. I don't. I don't know. Maybe so naked stuff. 0:06:43.400 --> 0:06:46.839 I have no idea. I don't even look next stuff 0:06:46.839 --> 0:06:48.400 on the internet because I'm praying computer is gonna get 0:06:48.480 --> 0:06:51.280 virus because like when Marion did it, she wasn't really naked. 0:06:51.880 --> 0:06:54.960 Is it just kind of naked, kind of imagination naked 0:06:54.960 --> 0:06:57.039 where you use your imagination because they're almost naked. I 0:06:57.080 --> 0:06:59.599 guess so I think you just I don't know. All right, 0:06:59.640 --> 0:07:03.000 there you that's the releases I'm looking forward to, and 0:07:03.080 --> 0:07:05.560 the new music that is out there you go. That's 0:07:05.600 --> 0:07:07.600 the releases I'm looking forward to, and some new music 0:07:07.600 --> 0:07:09.680 news from this week. All right, thank you, guys, let's 0:07:09.720 --> 0:07:15.360 get going. Joining me now is Steve Gorman, who was 0:07:15.440 --> 0:07:18.240 the drummer and the Black Crows, who now plays with 0:07:18.320 --> 0:07:20.880 Trigger Hippie. And before we talk about some of the 0:07:20.880 --> 0:07:24.480 Black Crow stuff in your book, I saw your tweet Steven. 0:07:24.600 --> 0:07:26.240 It was talking about Eddie van Halen, which is kind 0:07:26.240 --> 0:07:28.440 of why I have you here. And you say there 0:07:28.440 --> 0:07:30.920 will be many many words written and spoken about Eddie 0:07:30.960 --> 0:07:33.440 van Halen over the next few days, weeks, months, and years. 0:07:33.720 --> 0:07:36.920 Those millions of words will never come close to expressing 0:07:36.920 --> 0:07:39.440 what he meant to rock music, what he meant to guitarists, 0:07:39.640 --> 0:07:41.920 and what he meant to the guitar itself. That's a 0:07:41.920 --> 0:07:44.720 pretty powerful statement, Mr Gorman. What did Eddie in remind 0:07:44.760 --> 0:07:47.600 me to rock music? Well, I think it's it's pretty simple. 0:07:47.880 --> 0:07:49.800 You can say that he and Jimmy Hendrix are the 0:07:49.840 --> 0:07:54.040 two guys that truly and and only or the two 0:07:54.080 --> 0:07:56.560 guys that moved the needle, you know, for the guitar itself. 0:07:56.560 --> 0:08:00.600 I mean Hendrick came out of a blue space, uh 0:08:00.720 --> 0:08:04.000 scene and took the playing and the tones he could 0:08:04.040 --> 0:08:07.360 get to a new place. But that evan Halen really 0:08:07.360 --> 0:08:10.720 almost came in from another country, another planet, I should 0:08:10.720 --> 0:08:12.960 say another He's like an alien life for him. I 0:08:13.000 --> 0:08:16.720 mean he was a virtue of sick player obviously, but 0:08:16.920 --> 0:08:20.440 he he reinvented what what you could do with the guitar. 0:08:20.640 --> 0:08:24.360 And the fact of the matter is this like Hendricks, 0:08:24.360 --> 0:08:26.880 but even to a greater degree. Anybody that tries to 0:08:26.920 --> 0:08:30.160 play like Eddie van Halen, it just sounds like a mime, 0:08:30.640 --> 0:08:34.120 a mimic. They it's like Rich Little doing Johnny Carson. Okay, yeah, 0:08:34.160 --> 0:08:37.720 that kind of sounds like him. But there's nothing nobody's 0:08:37.720 --> 0:08:39.719 ever been able to do what Eddie van Halen did 0:08:39.720 --> 0:08:42.200 and make it feel a certain way, you know what 0:08:42.200 --> 0:08:44.240 I mean that he's just a and he was that 0:08:44.280 --> 0:08:46.720 way at twenty two. I mean, this is this is 0:08:46.720 --> 0:08:48.959 not a guy like It's not like David Blaine's magic 0:08:49.000 --> 0:08:51.280 tricks where he gets bigger and better every year. He 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:54.400 started with card tricks that other people did first. Ed 0:08:54.400 --> 0:08:58.320 evan Halen hit the ground running. With van Halen one 0:08:58.960 --> 0:09:02.280 playing an instrument have been around for centuries, unlike anybody 0:09:02.280 --> 0:09:05.160 else has ever done. I mean, he was on the 0:09:05.200 --> 0:09:09.360 mount Rushmore of great guitar players at two years old, 0:09:09.760 --> 0:09:12.880 and then and then he stuck around for another forty years, 0:09:12.920 --> 0:09:16.480 still playing unlike anybody before or since. So I just 0:09:16.559 --> 0:09:23.239 think that in terms of, you know, sheer unique mindset 0:09:23.320 --> 0:09:27.920 and ambition combined with just great talent obviously, but but 0:09:28.000 --> 0:09:30.480 also a phenomenal work ethic. I mean, he's just a 0:09:30.520 --> 0:09:33.800 complete unicorn in every sense of the word. How would 0:09:33.840 --> 0:09:36.880 you describe his guitar sound? And I say that I 0:09:37.240 --> 0:09:39.760 know what I think of it, but I wasn't. I 0:09:40.000 --> 0:09:43.600 just missed van Halen like I came around right as 0:09:43.640 --> 0:09:47.199 you guys were blowing up, honestly, so that for me, 0:09:47.320 --> 0:09:51.440 the van Halen was slightly classic rock, slightly old rock 0:09:51.640 --> 0:09:55.440 to me as a nineties kid, so as someone because 0:09:55.440 --> 0:09:56.599 you're just a few years older than I am. But 0:09:56.640 --> 0:09:58.760 how would you describe his guitar sound of someone who 0:09:58.840 --> 0:10:01.360 was in it and living it? In love in van Halen? Well, 0:10:01.400 --> 0:10:03.360 I can tell this. I was thirteen years old the 0:10:03.400 --> 0:10:05.560 first time I heard van Halen, and I remember it. 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:07.800 I remember where I was, I remember who I was with. 0:10:08.400 --> 0:10:12.320 It was going home from school and Hopkinsville, Kentucky. You 0:10:12.400 --> 0:10:15.520 really got me their Kinks, you know, like their cover 0:10:15.600 --> 0:10:18.679 of the Kink song came on the radio and and 0:10:18.880 --> 0:10:21.360 it was playing already, and I said, hey, Mom, turning 0:10:21.360 --> 0:10:22.840 that up. It was me and my mom and my 0:10:22.880 --> 0:10:24.960 friend Brook Lawton, the three of us in a car, 0:10:25.760 --> 0:10:27.920 and she turned it up and I my first thought 0:10:28.000 --> 0:10:30.960 was that must be like a live version of the 0:10:31.040 --> 0:10:33.199 Kinks song. And I was thinking, like, they don't. They 0:10:33.200 --> 0:10:35.760 don't rock that hard, do they. But when it hit 0:10:35.800 --> 0:10:38.240 that solo, and then by the time the song ended, 0:10:38.679 --> 0:10:41.160 I realized, well, that does that's not Ray Davy singing. 0:10:41.200 --> 0:10:44.640 This is clearly a cover version, But what on earth 0:10:44.840 --> 0:10:47.319 is this? And it was like making my the hair 0:10:47.360 --> 0:10:49.120 on the back of my next stand up. This isn't 0:10:49.120 --> 0:10:51.360 a time when I thought punk rock was the coolest 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:54.319 thing in the world. And the truth is Van Halen 0:10:55.120 --> 0:10:58.000 was more punk than the Punks because they were truly 0:10:58.080 --> 0:11:01.319 breaking down a bunch of barriers, if you will, or 0:11:01.320 --> 0:11:03.480 they were going in their own sort of way. You know, 0:11:03.880 --> 0:11:06.040 there hadn't been a band like Van Halen since Led 0:11:06.120 --> 0:11:10.120 Zeppelin in terms of rock. Band hits the ground running 0:11:10.120 --> 0:11:13.680 at full steam and it obliterates everything in their path 0:11:13.800 --> 0:11:17.880 in a certain sense. And to me, Van Halen just sound. 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:21.760 It sounded like what California was in my head, you know. 0:11:21.800 --> 0:11:23.559 As soon as I realized, as soon as I heard 0:11:23.559 --> 0:11:25.600 about them there from l A. And as soon as 0:11:25.640 --> 0:11:28.040 I saw David Lee Roth and then as soon as 0:11:28.080 --> 0:11:29.920 I heard more than you know, the next thing I 0:11:30.000 --> 0:11:34.320 heard was eruption, you know, the guitar solo. And you know, 0:11:34.920 --> 0:11:38.400 hearing just two pieces of their first album and seeing 0:11:38.440 --> 0:11:41.840 what they look like, it just it felt brand new 0:11:42.000 --> 0:11:44.800 and it already felt like they're gonna be around forever. 0:11:44.960 --> 0:11:47.320 You just knew from the jump. And this is me 0:11:47.360 --> 0:11:50.200 as a thirteen year old kid who was obsessed with music. 0:11:50.920 --> 0:11:53.200 This band is one of the all timers. Like, there's 0:11:53.240 --> 0:11:56.240 nothing like this, and they all have the chops and 0:11:56.280 --> 0:11:58.720 the other thing too. As long as I'm just rambling incessantly, 0:11:59.200 --> 0:12:02.560 Heny van Halen is a great rhythm player. It wasn't 0:12:02.640 --> 0:12:05.880 just about the solos. He led the band rhythmically. And 0:12:05.920 --> 0:12:08.679 he's also it needs to be noted, not that it's 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:10.960 not obvious. He's a hell of a songwriter. I mean 0:12:11.400 --> 0:12:15.240 he really was. As I said before, he's a true unicorn. 0:12:15.280 --> 0:12:17.199 I mean, just just nothing like it. What does this 0:12:17.240 --> 0:12:23.520 sound like to you? It sounds frequent and right in 0:12:24.040 --> 0:12:26.040 like righting the zone you know when you're when you're 0:12:26.040 --> 0:12:28.160 playing something that you're in the same key that's one thing. 0:12:28.160 --> 0:12:30.160 Because I listen, I play a little bit. I don't 0:12:30.240 --> 0:12:32.000 play even as good as my friends who are real 0:12:32.040 --> 0:12:37.200 life musicians, but it's perfect frequency and and not frequency 0:12:37.280 --> 0:12:39.520 is in the tone or the but as much because 0:12:39.520 --> 0:12:41.720 it's a lot. I mean, Brad Paisley plays, I know 0:12:41.720 --> 0:12:43.760 it's Brad Paisley because I hear the chicken picking. I 0:12:43.800 --> 0:12:46.680 hear he has a very distinct sound. And again I 0:12:46.720 --> 0:12:48.960 didn't catch van Halen as it was kind of happening 0:12:48.960 --> 0:12:51.800 in my childhood. But when I hear a van Halen song, 0:12:51.840 --> 0:12:53.480 even if I it's I don't know who it is. 0:12:53.520 --> 0:12:55.720 If I just hear the guitar part, I hear the 0:12:55.800 --> 0:12:59.920 Eddie van Halen because I how fast he shreds. By 0:13:00.400 --> 0:13:03.199 the pattern that he does it, you can just tell 0:13:03.320 --> 0:13:07.320 by by by his fingers and it's kind of again 0:13:07.360 --> 0:13:09.520 it's hard to explain when you ask about music, but 0:13:10.000 --> 0:13:12.959 that's what I think about. And I try to always 0:13:12.960 --> 0:13:15.680 try to, uh prepare analogies. And most of the people 0:13:15.760 --> 0:13:19.720 listen to this podcast here between twenty two to forty, 0:13:19.840 --> 0:13:23.280 and if you were to make an analogy to another band, 0:13:23.320 --> 0:13:26.280 it's gonna be tough, because listen van Halen was massive, 0:13:26.360 --> 0:13:31.360 But who later on had the kind of um impact 0:13:31.880 --> 0:13:37.280 or reflected the mass listening that van Halen had well, 0:13:37.400 --> 0:13:41.800 and just what what band can we look at now 0:13:41.960 --> 0:13:43.800 or in the last ten years and see, Okay, well, 0:13:43.840 --> 0:13:45.560 that's how big van Halen was to the people that 0:13:45.600 --> 0:13:50.400 were the kids in the eighties. Well, van Halen hit 0:13:50.400 --> 0:13:52.600 in the late seventies. Ten years later he had Guns 0:13:52.600 --> 0:13:56.040 and Roses. Six years after that, you had Nirvana and 0:13:56.120 --> 0:13:58.800 Pearl Jam. As far as what it is in the 0:13:58.920 --> 0:14:03.120 two thousands, honestly, I wouldn't know. I I haven't. I 0:14:03.160 --> 0:14:06.360 haven't seen any young band that to me have have 0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:09.760 have broken new ground or gone anywhere with playing. The 0:14:09.800 --> 0:14:12.360 other thing about Eddie van Halen you gotta recognize is, 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:15.640 you know, that's the that's the beginning of the end 0:14:15.679 --> 0:14:19.119 of music being played with human hands on wooden instruments. 0:14:19.240 --> 0:14:21.840 I mean, as a general rule, there's still great rock 0:14:21.880 --> 0:14:23.760 and roll music being made today, but for the last 0:14:23.800 --> 0:14:28.000 twenty thirty years, electronic music has has lived side by side. 0:14:28.720 --> 0:14:32.720 Um you know, computer generated beat driven music has lived 0:14:32.760 --> 0:14:35.040 side by side with rock and rolling in fact overtaken it. 0:14:35.120 --> 0:14:38.560 So when Eddie van Halen broke through, that was still 0:14:38.600 --> 0:14:42.320 just what everybody did. They played instruments, and he's the 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:44.680 guy showed up. You know what is it the mountain? 0:14:44.720 --> 0:14:46.920 Gladwell says, you need ten thousand hours to be great 0:14:46.960 --> 0:14:50.000 at something. He showed up like a hundred thousand hours. 0:14:50.200 --> 0:14:53.200 And and there hasn't been a musician in the world 0:14:53.200 --> 0:14:57.520 of rock music in the last thirty I can't think 0:14:57.560 --> 0:15:01.320 of a single person you say, set the higher genre 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:04.560 on it here. I mean Eddie van Halen literally did that. 0:15:04.720 --> 0:15:08.880 He he obliterated what it meant to be a great 0:15:08.880 --> 0:15:11.400 guitar player. For a few years. It really set off 0:15:11.400 --> 0:15:14.560 the equilibrium of the music industry. I mean, he's he's 0:15:14.720 --> 0:15:18.280 he was a genuine earthquake, much the same way ten 0:15:18.360 --> 0:15:20.880 years earlier Jimi Hendricks had been. And that's the only 0:15:20.920 --> 0:15:22.520 two that come to mind that you could say had 0:15:22.560 --> 0:15:25.640 that kind of impact. I heard somebody else today say that, 0:15:26.240 --> 0:15:30.120 you know, the two greatest, most significant chiefs the technology 0:15:30.160 --> 0:15:31.920 in the second half of the twenty century, where the 0:15:31.960 --> 0:15:34.920 electric guitar and the television. And as soon as the 0:15:35.000 --> 0:15:37.200 Jump video hit hit the airways, all of a sudden, 0:15:37.240 --> 0:15:39.920 Eddie van Halen was in control of both. You know, 0:15:40.000 --> 0:15:41.960 when you take a gally that and put him on 0:15:42.120 --> 0:15:45.600 MTV in those videos. Man, forget it. There was just 0:15:45.680 --> 0:15:47.680 nobody that could They could touch him and come close 0:15:47.760 --> 0:15:51.160 and listen. I'm a drummer. And you mentioned Brad Paisley. 0:15:51.560 --> 0:15:53.800 Pasked Brad Paisley with Eddie van Halen and a lot 0:15:53.880 --> 0:15:57.080 of the great country players of today, Keith Urban and 0:15:57.480 --> 0:16:00.360 all sorts of players. They grew up listening to Van 0:16:00.360 --> 0:16:03.000 Halen records. You know, there's there's not as big a 0:16:03.080 --> 0:16:04.880 landscape for a guy to play a guitar and get 0:16:04.880 --> 0:16:07.240 a paycheck in in the world of rock music as 0:16:07.280 --> 0:16:09.080 there is in country music. And there's a lot of 0:16:09.600 --> 0:16:11.840 a lot of guys who were making a lot of 0:16:11.840 --> 0:16:13.920 money playing guitar and country music right now. I grew 0:16:14.000 --> 0:16:16.960 up listening to rock records first, and and of all 0:16:17.000 --> 0:16:19.400 those guys that he was always he was always the guy. 0:16:19.440 --> 0:16:21.800 He's always been the gold standard. Don't have a chance 0:16:21.880 --> 0:16:24.000 to meet Eddie or any of the guys of an Halen. 0:16:24.920 --> 0:16:27.800 I met David Lee Roth several times, but he's the 0:16:27.840 --> 0:16:31.600 only the Pete Angelis who managed the Black Crows. He 0:16:31.720 --> 0:16:35.320 started with Van Halen as their creative director from before 0:16:35.320 --> 0:16:38.160 they had a record deal. He was. He directed all 0:16:38.200 --> 0:16:42.120 their videos, he designed all their lights, he played a 0:16:42.160 --> 0:16:46.040 big part in their stage for Soon. He was, creatively speaking, 0:16:46.120 --> 0:16:50.000 very much a member of that organization and and in 0:16:50.080 --> 0:16:53.840 the David Lee Roth era. You know, was was thought 0:16:53.880 --> 0:16:55.680 of by a lot of people as the fifth member 0:16:55.680 --> 0:16:57.680 of Van Halen. So I know an awful lot about 0:16:57.680 --> 0:17:00.400 that story through Pete. I met Dave in the early 0:17:00.480 --> 0:17:03.720 nineties several times. But I know, I I know a 0:17:03.800 --> 0:17:06.160 lot of people who've worked with Van Halen over the years. 0:17:06.200 --> 0:17:09.160 I mean, I've heard enough stories and here enough things 0:17:09.200 --> 0:17:14.600 to have a fairly consistent sense of of Eddie's work ethic, 0:17:15.760 --> 0:17:18.080 uh and of all the things that motivated him and 0:17:18.160 --> 0:17:20.800 drove him to be what he was. You know, the 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:23.760 Black Crows were, and I've told you this into your 0:17:23.800 --> 0:17:26.959 face as well. Black Crows to me were instrumental in 0:17:27.000 --> 0:17:31.520 my just music upbringing. And you know, it was the 0:17:31.800 --> 0:17:34.320 bands that you mentioned, which were the grunge bands, but 0:17:34.359 --> 0:17:37.240 the Black Crows felt a little bit like it was 0:17:37.560 --> 0:17:41.199 like dirty rock in the South a little bit. It 0:17:41.280 --> 0:17:43.639 was kind of a bit of what it felt like 0:17:43.640 --> 0:17:45.200 to me is you're trying to describe music and stuff, 0:17:45.200 --> 0:17:46.760 but that's what the Black Crows felt like around that 0:17:46.840 --> 0:17:48.640 same time where I was like, man, I kind of 0:17:49.000 --> 0:17:52.280 actually identify with this rock music a little more. And 0:17:52.280 --> 0:17:54.560 then you know, as you grow up and you start 0:17:54.640 --> 0:17:56.320 to look back and listen to the music, and you 0:17:56.359 --> 0:17:58.479 put out a book I Gotta and I and I 0:17:58.520 --> 0:18:00.320 was looking through the book when you put it out. 0:18:01.240 --> 0:18:03.879 How much crap did you get into for sharing some 0:18:03.960 --> 0:18:08.520 of those stories with the about those guys? Uh? None, 0:18:08.680 --> 0:18:11.240 who's gonna mess with me? Did they anyone reach out 0:18:11.240 --> 0:18:13.280 to you privately go like, come on, dude, wh are 0:18:13.280 --> 0:18:17.600 you gonna be a douche? No? Oh no, There's only 0:18:17.640 --> 0:18:20.320 two people that would probably be offended with anything I wrote. 0:18:20.359 --> 0:18:22.200 The problem with my book is that it felt true. 0:18:22.800 --> 0:18:25.600 So if anybody's gonna say anything to me, especially the 0:18:25.640 --> 0:18:28.960 to the two people that you're referring to, my former partners, 0:18:28.960 --> 0:18:33.240 the brothers Robinson, they've spent their lives uh, spitting out 0:18:33.400 --> 0:18:35.119 as much as they couldn't have thought they could that 0:18:35.240 --> 0:18:38.320 we're honest, We're honest, we're honest. So it's kind of 0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:42.040 hard to build a you know, a reputation on I 0:18:42.520 --> 0:18:44.479 call it like I see it. And then when somebody 0:18:44.520 --> 0:18:46.320 does the same thing, you have a problem with it. 0:18:46.920 --> 0:18:48.639 So I've not heard a word from either one, and 0:18:48.680 --> 0:18:51.000 I can't imagine I ever will the book. You gotta 0:18:51.080 --> 0:18:53.359 check it out. It's called Hard to Handle. The Life 0:18:53.400 --> 0:18:56.400 and Death of the Black Crows's memoir came out May 0:18:56.480 --> 0:18:58.880 of this year, so it came out during the pandemic, 0:18:58.920 --> 0:19:01.280 which the paper the paper back came out, and yeah, 0:19:01.800 --> 0:19:03.879 it's been out for over years in hard book the 0:19:04.280 --> 0:19:06.560 paper but you couldn't you couldn't like do a new 0:19:06.600 --> 0:19:08.479 book tour on it. When I did my paper you know, 0:19:08.640 --> 0:19:12.240 my books paperback was like a whole new level because 0:19:12.280 --> 0:19:14.480 it was distributed. It was a little cheaper to distribute, 0:19:14.560 --> 0:19:16.720 so they put more out. You got to do press again. 0:19:16.720 --> 0:19:18.280 But because the pandemic, I felt like you kind of 0:19:18.280 --> 0:19:20.520 missed out on that. You feel that way, Well, I 0:19:20.560 --> 0:19:22.240 got I did. I mean I did it. I had 0:19:22.240 --> 0:19:25.800 a decent run. I mean from September through I guess 0:19:25.840 --> 0:19:28.239 the last event I did was in February, so you know, 0:19:28.320 --> 0:19:31.600 I mean I did a around twenty book events. It 0:19:31.680 --> 0:19:34.359 certainly would have been the problem for me as it 0:19:34.400 --> 0:19:37.760 turned out, I said, it's a problem. I had just 0:19:37.800 --> 0:19:40.280 started my new radio show at the same right around 0:19:40.320 --> 0:19:42.439 the same time, and it wasn't as easy for me 0:19:42.480 --> 0:19:45.359 to just jump and hit the circuit right away, you know, 0:19:45.480 --> 0:19:49.040 just come flying out of the gate. So, uh, it 0:19:49.080 --> 0:19:51.480 wasn't as coordinated as as it could have been, I guess. 0:19:51.520 --> 0:19:53.720 But you know, the book has legs, like any book 0:19:53.800 --> 0:19:56.400 for people they care about the band, it's always gonna 0:19:56.400 --> 0:19:59.600 be there, and uh, you know that's it is it 0:19:59.760 --> 0:20:03.080 we to every night, travel play, be super close of 0:20:03.119 --> 0:20:07.000 folks when you absolutely cannot stand them. No, you learn 0:20:07.040 --> 0:20:10.359 how to compartmentalize that compartmentalize that stuff really early, you know, 0:20:10.560 --> 0:20:14.520 actually looking back, I mean, but but it didn't start 0:20:14.600 --> 0:20:17.320 where we couldn't stand each other. The band started thickest feeds, 0:20:17.400 --> 0:20:19.600 you know what I mean. It was like we were 0:20:20.600 --> 0:20:23.280 kids who agreed on a dream and we put everything 0:20:23.280 --> 0:20:26.360 we had behind it. And it takes years before anyone's 0:20:26.400 --> 0:20:28.200 willing to stick their head up out of the sand 0:20:28.200 --> 0:20:30.200 and go, hey, I think I'm kind of miserable, or 0:20:30.320 --> 0:20:32.879 I think I don't trust you anymore. It's a long 0:20:33.080 --> 0:20:35.920 long time before, at least it wasn't on the case 0:20:35.960 --> 0:20:39.280 of the Black Crows, before we all felt comfortable saying 0:20:39.320 --> 0:20:42.440 those things or even admitting them to ourselves is really 0:20:42.440 --> 0:20:45.680 the first step. Um. You know, there's an awful lot 0:20:45.720 --> 0:20:47.240 of there's a lot of love, and there's a lot 0:20:47.240 --> 0:20:50.360 of betrayal, and there's a lot of fear and loathing 0:20:50.359 --> 0:20:53.479 and insecurity and arrogance and all those sort of things 0:20:53.520 --> 0:20:56.560 just on kind of hyper drive in a band like ours. 0:20:56.680 --> 0:21:00.399 And so by the time you were able to admit 0:21:00.440 --> 0:21:03.119 to yourself this isn't what I was hoping for, you 0:21:03.280 --> 0:21:05.920 figured out how to play and just about any circumstance, 0:21:05.920 --> 0:21:08.560 in any situation, and if the band is still good, 0:21:09.080 --> 0:21:11.600