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Speaker 1: Welcome to Episode Too six five. Here we go, we'll

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Speaker 1: talk about Eddie van Halen with Steve Gorman. Listen, I

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Speaker 1: needed to have a little Eddie van Halen lesson. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I know some van Halen songs. Here are the top

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Speaker 1: five streaming van Halen songs. And this is because Eddie

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Speaker 1: ain't talking about love all right? Number four Hot for Teacher,

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Speaker 1: you know that one. I know that one too. Number

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Speaker 1: three Running with the Devil. Number two Panama. You know

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Speaker 1: this one, hey, Emma, get stuck in your head. And

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Speaker 1: then obviously the number one is massive. I think everybody

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Speaker 1: knows this jump, right, everybody knows that one, but van

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Speaker 1: So this was an interesting interview coming up. The thing

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Speaker 1: about this Too jump was van Halen's one and only

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Speaker 1: Just in general, their most famous song jump, which is

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Speaker 1: that number one streamer, took only one day to finish

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Speaker 1: and went to the top of the billboard. Hot one

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Speaker 1: hundred and got him a Grammy nomination. Eddie played the

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Speaker 1: guitar solo on Michael Jackson's Beat It, So if you

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Speaker 1: listen to that song, that's Eddie van Halen shredding on it.

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Speaker 1: Eddie also began on the drums. He couldn't read sheet music,

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Speaker 1: which is pretty crazy. Is to beat it right here.

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Speaker 1: And then he also had serious stage fright, which is

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Speaker 1: crazy because the guy played arena's massive places. It's always

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Speaker 1: crazy when you hear like the the White Stripes. She

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Speaker 1: apparently had so much stage fright that they couldn't even

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Speaker 1: and also Alex and Eddie were the only two consistent members.

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Speaker 1: announced Sammy Hey Gar Gary Sharone, so that's crazy. And

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Speaker 1: about that with Steve Gorman on the way my New

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Speaker 1: Music Top five this week, Here we go. Travis has

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Speaker 1: and so I haven't heard it yet. I'm gonna listen

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Speaker 1: to it. Today. But you know, some of this is

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Speaker 1: stuff that I look forward to as well. But Travis

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Speaker 1: has a new song out. But Travis has a new

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Speaker 1: But Travis has a new record out. You may know

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Speaker 1: Travis for Why does It Always rain on Me? Is

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Speaker 1: it because I lied when I was seventeen? Do you

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Speaker 1: know that song? You know? I've only heard him because

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Speaker 1: you talk about it, you know, sing sing sings, But

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Speaker 1: I love you bring They haven't had that song in

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Speaker 1: the office, unlike the first season when Jim puts his

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Speaker 1: earphone into Palm's ear and she's like, what are you

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Speaker 1: listening to? And it's Travis sing Anyway, Travis has a

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Speaker 1: of their songs for me. Yeah, that's what's called Valentine.

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Speaker 1: Travis Denning has a new song out called good Years

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Speaker 1: that's at number four. Holling All Them good A CDC

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Speaker 1: announced they're releasing a new album called Power Up. It's

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Speaker 1: bands who change lead singers and think about that. But

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Speaker 1: then they switched to Brian Johnson, who is the singer.

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Speaker 1: Now there's only been a few of those bands to

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Speaker 1: To move forward, but just Phil Collins, which is insane.

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Speaker 1: Whole other topic. Cassie Ashton has a new song out

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Speaker 1: called Black Motorcycle. Here's a clip of that and she

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Speaker 1: then Super Pumped Brother's Osborne have a new album out

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Speaker 1: Lightning Up. Who'll keep because we'll be more new albums,

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Speaker 1: Blue Oyster, Colt Jackson, Brown, Dire Straits, The Doors, Dang,

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Speaker 1: It's like classic rock radio new album Wait, five Finger Death, Punch, Punch,

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Speaker 1: it's my bubble bet song. Uh. In the Music News

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Speaker 1: before we get into some interviews, Johnny Nash, who had

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Speaker 1: Machine Gun Kelly just earned his first number one album

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Speaker 1: and it was his rock album. Right. Did you like

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Speaker 1: this like? It's like right up my alley? It's pump punk? Huh?

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Speaker 1: for this? Travis Barker produced the whole thing and he

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Speaker 1: It wasn't good. He tried to play guitar, and you

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Speaker 1: I know he made basic stuff, but nothing crazy. Coachella

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Speaker 1: Not yet? Okay? I knew they were talking about it,

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Speaker 1: get going. Joining me now is Steve Gorman, who was

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Speaker 1: Black Crow stuff in your book, I saw your tweet Steven.

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Speaker 1: It was talking about Eddie van Halen, which is kind

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Speaker 1: pretty powerful statement, Mr Gorman. What did Eddie in remind

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Speaker 1: bands who would actually look at some other band and go, dude,

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00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:19,040
Speaker 1: I don't want to talk to you, I don't like

428
00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:22,000
Speaker 1: your music. I think you're a clown. Just just leaves.

429
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:23,880
Speaker 1: This isn't gonna be good for you. You know, we

430
00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:27,080
Speaker 1: we we actually acted like that to other bands in

431
00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:30,000
Speaker 1: the early days. Um, it was kind of funny to

432
00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:31,800
Speaker 1: us too. You know, we all grew up watching Bill

433
00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:33,679
Speaker 1: Murray movies. We were all just trying to be like

434
00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:35,840
Speaker 1: that guy in stripes, but in a rock band on

435
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:39,320
Speaker 1: a certain sense. But then you know, it's weird to

436
00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:41,159
Speaker 1: open up a magazine and see a band that you

437
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,720
Speaker 1: can't stand right next to you. And like, back in

438
00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:45,840
Speaker 1: those days, you'd see rock mags and it would be

439
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:50,680
Speaker 1: readers pull our two favorite bands, Warrant and the Black Crows,

440
00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:55,159
Speaker 1: and we'd be like, what were weaz with Warrant? You know,

441
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,760
Speaker 1: And I look back now and I don't care about Warrant.

442
00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:00,000
Speaker 1: I wish those guys well, I don't care about any

443
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 1: these fans. But when you're three and you get your

444
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 1: first shot at it, man, you take everything a little

445
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:07,960
Speaker 1: too seriously, or at least we did. You know a

446
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 1: lot of my buds who are artists now and mostly

447
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,200
Speaker 1: a few years ago before they started to settle down.

448
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:17,360
Speaker 1: But people would girls would reach out to them through

449
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,760
Speaker 1: direct message on Instagram and so then that's how they

450
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:21,920
Speaker 1: would link up. That's how they would meet later and

451
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 1: they would do whatever they do later on. How back

452
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 1: in the nineties would you guys meet the chicks that

453
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:33,200
Speaker 1: you would hang out with each Sydney. You know, this

454
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:36,720
Speaker 1: is the sad truth about the Black Crows. Um that

455
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,959
Speaker 1: was hardly a priority for us as a band. Um,

456
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 1: you know, for me, I mean I've been with the

457
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:46,640
Speaker 1: same moment since the end of I'm you know, I'm

458
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 1: thirty years last month in a monogamous relationship. So but

459
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 1: but you know, if if I have to think back

460
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,679
Speaker 1: to before that, when we were on the road, it

461
00:23:57,760 --> 00:23:59,440
Speaker 1: was just like it was when you're a local band.

462
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:01,440
Speaker 1: You just show up and meet somebody in the town

463
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 1: and move on. It wasn't a question of there was

464
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:09,160
Speaker 1: no thought to uh. I know, bands that that that

465
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,159
Speaker 1: was sort of their raisin day after, you know, like

466
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 1: they hit the road and it was just a matter

467
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 1: of surround themselves with women at all times. The truth

468
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 1: is just you know, of all the things about the

469
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 1: Black Crows that made no sense, one thing that made

470
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,440
Speaker 1: a lot of sense was we were obsessed with being

471
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,400
Speaker 1: a great live band. And we got on the bus

472
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 1: at the end of the night and everybody was drinking

473
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 1: and everybody was smoking weed in the early days before

474
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,880
Speaker 1: harder drugs moved into the scene. But we were listening

475
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,680
Speaker 1: to live bootlegs instead of partying in the dressing room

476
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 1: with girls. We were literally we would record our shows

477
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:44,120
Speaker 1: and listen back that night and and talk about where

478
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,360
Speaker 1: a jam could have gone farther, or where we went

479
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:49,359
Speaker 1: too far, or how do how do we get the

480
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:54,360
Speaker 1: rhythm section to carry this interim section between these two songs.

481
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,119
Speaker 1: I mean, we were we were obsessed with that in

482
00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 1: the earliest days. And I think a lot of bands

483
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:02,200
Speaker 1: at the road and they're already sort of fully formed.

484
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 1: We we were making it up as we went. Like

485
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 1: our first album came out, we hit the road in

486
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 1: support of it, and we've never played more than four

487
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:10,679
Speaker 1: nights in a row in our life. And suddenly we

488
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 1: went on tour for twenty months. We had never toured before.

489
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 1: We already had a song on the rock charts before

490
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 1: we'd ever toured, so we felt like we had a lot.

491
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:21,399
Speaker 1: We had to make up a lot of ground. You know,

492
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 1: we were we were coming from behind from the jump,

493
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:28,680
Speaker 1: and you know, individually, I'm sure members of the band

494
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,639
Speaker 1: were doing whatever they could with women, but as a

495
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:35,440
Speaker 1: band scene, we never had a groupie vibe ever. There

496
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,119
Speaker 1: was never The word on the street was never the

497
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,119
Speaker 1: black crows are looking for women. It was always the

498
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 1: black crowsters looking for drugs, if anything. And two more

499
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 1: things to talk to you about. The first thing is

500
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 1: in the heyday, when you guys are just knocking them out.

501
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 1: Who is the most famous fan that came up to you? Guys?

502
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm just such a die hard fan.

503
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 1: We're like, holy crap, that's that's crazy because you're awesome.

504
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 1: That's a good question. We had a lot of app leats.

505
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 1: There was a lot of pro athletes, you know, a

506
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,120
Speaker 1: lot of dudes just you know, football players and basketball players.

507
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,680
Speaker 1: Um as far as like you know, a movie star

508
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,639
Speaker 1: or man. I'm trying to think, I mean, because the

509
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,399
Speaker 1: ones we were most impressed with were just other musicians.

510
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,120
Speaker 1: Like the first time we met Malcolm and Angus Young

511
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 1: of a C d C. They were like, just a

512
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,479
Speaker 1: proper band. You guys are great, we love your record.

513
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 1: I mean that meant more than that's way bigger Julia

514
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,879
Speaker 1: Roberts coming up to you, or David Duchovny from the

515
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:31,879
Speaker 1: X Files or I'm just trying to think of people

516
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 1: that we cost. You know, it's nice, but we really

517
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:36,679
Speaker 1: were the band that, like, you know, we opened for

518
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 1: Robert Plant on our first tour for six weeks and

519
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 1: the first show was at Red Rocks and he burst

520
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 1: into our dressing room to go, hey, guys, I'm so

521
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 1: glad you're here. I love the record, and I mean,

522
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,479
Speaker 1: there's no coming. There's nothing better than that, literally, nothing

523
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 1: like Robert Plant knows our name. What kind of weird

524
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 1: world are we in all of a sudden, so famous

525
00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 1: person that wasn't in the music would have been a

526
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,680
Speaker 1: long you know, way way back in second place behind

527
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 1: those kind of things. Well, and I want to end

528
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 1: on this because we started talking about Eddie van Halen

529
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 1: where you know, Eddie and his brother were the two

530
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 1: constants in van Halen the band. They switched out lead singers,

531
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,679
Speaker 1: you know, two wildly successful another you know, when the

532
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,159
Speaker 1: gay from Extreme came over not so much. But I

533
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 1: think you know that band had kind of aged a

534
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 1: bit as well. So I don't know that it was

535
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 1: his fault exactly, but if and you can speak on

536
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 1: the power of Eddie and his brother and and and

537
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:30,919
Speaker 1: then being the force of that band. But but to

538
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: start it off with this, you know, could the Black

539
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 1: Crows have switched lead singers and and continue to move

540
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 1: on um? And how hard is that to do? Uh? Well, well,

541
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,159
Speaker 1: I mean yes, the Black Crows could have switched out

542
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,679
Speaker 1: Chris Robinson at some point and still managed to find career,

543
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:54,120
Speaker 1: if that's what we were concerned with, maintaining a career. Yeah,

544
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:55,879
Speaker 1: we could have found a singer that could act like

545
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,880
Speaker 1: a frontman, and we could have brought in outside writers

546
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 1: to write songs that were sure or to be hit.

547
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 1: But every element, everything about how we went about being

548
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 1: the Black Prows, none of it was guided by those thoughts.

549
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 1: So really, I mean on paper, yes, of course, in reality,

550
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:17,199
Speaker 1: not a chance. I mean, Chris was the engine that drove,

551
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 1: that motivated or you know, he he led the band

552
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 1: for better and oftentimes for worse, wherever we were going,

553
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:28,719
Speaker 1: and his inspiration it was the guiding light. And oftentimes

554
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,120
Speaker 1: I would say, like I wish he had been inspired

555
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 1: somewhere else or by something else. It was difficult, but

556
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 1: it was just the reality of that band. I can't

557
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 1: imagine how we would have functioned with somebody else, because

558
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 1: you know, it's like the Almond Brothers. They did very

559
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 1: well without Dwayne Almond, but there was a vacuum that

560
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,719
Speaker 1: everybody tried to fill. They were successful, but the essence

561
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 1: of what made that band so special was gone forever.

562
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 1: If if if, that is, if something had happened to

563
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 1: Chris in the nineties. There's no way you can replace that.

564
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 1: We could have been a functioning band, certainly, and like

565
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 1: I said, we may have and successful, but it would

566
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 1: not have been the same thing. And and you know,

567
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 1: because Chris was the catalyst. He wasn't responsible for He's

568
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: not singularly responsible for any of it, but he was.

569
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,719
Speaker 1: You know, you have to recognize what the catalyst is

570
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 1: and it was him. Dwane Allman was the catalyst for

571
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 1: the Olmer Brothers, not Greg Almond. Noel Gallagher is the

572
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 1: catalyst and Oasis. Could they have worked without Lamb, sure,

573
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 1: but it would have been very different. It wouldn't have

574
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 1: been the same. And that's the case in the Black

575
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 1: Crows for sure. Well how about van Halen, you got

576
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 1: I mean, it's all about Eddie, It's all about it.

577
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's a sect, but honestly lives

578
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: upland could have worked if Robert Plant had checked out

579
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 1: after a couple of records. That's Jimmy Hendrick, I mean

580
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,479
Speaker 1: Jimmy Hendricks, that's Jimmy Page's band. That was his baby.

581
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: He envisioned that whole thing. When you have a guy

582
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 1: like Eddie van Halen, Uh, you know, David Lee Ross.

583
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: For the people that don't know or don't remember from

584
00:29:55,720 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 1: seventy eight to eighties nine, he was a of your

585
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: rock stars. There wasn't a planet. Eddie van Halen really

586
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 1: wasn't a rock star. He married a TV star. He

587
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: did a lot of drugs, but he did drugs and

588
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: just went to his room and wrote songs. You know,

589
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 1: he wasn't a party He wasn't partying to be partying.

590
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 1: He was just an addict at the end of the

591
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 1: day who was obsessed with making music and doing it

592
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 1: his own way. And he was the guy. You know,

593
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: it's it speaks to what we said at the beginning,

594
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 1: like just what a complete unicorn he was. That the

595
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 1: band that you know that you could have David Lee

596
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 1: Roth as your front man and still people went to

597
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 1: see Van Halen and he would do a ten or

598
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 1: eleven minute guitar solo on stage alone. Do you know

599
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 1: how long ten minutes is? No one went to the bathroom,

600
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 1: That's what everybody was there for. And he's just just

601
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 1: a totally No rules that any other band ever had

602
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 1: to operate under apply to Van Halen, and that's because

603
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 1: of Eddie van Halen. There he is Steve Gorman. You

604
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 1: can check out the book Hard to Handle the Life

605
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 1: and Death of the Black Crows and Memoir, which paperback

606
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 1: came out in You can also follow on Instagram at

607
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 1: Steve Understore Underscore Gorman Underscore. You had to get both

608
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 1: those underscores in there. I got both of them. Man,

609
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: I can't relate to the Instagram game. All the Steve

610
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 1: Gorman versions were taking and then Trigger Hippie plays drums

611
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 1: and Trigger Hippie so check that? What what what's Trigger

612
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: Hippie up to? Well? I mean, like everybody else, we're

613
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: just waiting. You know. We put a record out last Fall,

614
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: Full Circle and then some and we were out touring.

615
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 1: I mean again, we were on the road September to

616
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 1: March pretty consistently, and uh, I think our last gig

617
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: was March seventh, and then, like everybody else, now we're

618
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 1: just on the sidelines wait for somebody to wave a

619
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 1: green flag. Yeah. Well, I appreciate the time. I appreciate

620
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 1: you talking about uh Eddie van Halen how much he

621
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 1: meant to you and rock music and then catching up

622
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:48,959
Speaker 1: on the Black Crows. I hope you have a good day, man.

623
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 1: Thank you again, Yeah, thank you brother, pick here. Bobby

624
00:31:56,520 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 1: and Eddie's music school is now in session, up in

625
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 1: the morning and out to food. All right, Eddie is

626
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 1: here with me, Eddie, what are you gonna teach us today?

627
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: All right? So you know Chicken Fried by Zack Brown

628
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: Band right to me. This is the song that Zack

629
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 1: Brown Band is known for. This kicked off their huge career.

630
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 1: It's their song, but at one time it almost wasn't.

631
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: So it was written by Zach and someone else. But

632
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: and they recorded as a band in two thousand and six.

633
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 1: But then they stopped it. They say, hey, radio, pull

634
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: this because there's interest from someone else. Alan Jackson is

635
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: thinking about recording this and putting this out. So they

636
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 1: put a hold on it. They said, all right, stop it.

637
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 1: Alan sat on it for a little bit and then said, guys,

638
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 1: I'm just not gonna do it. I'm not feeling it.

639
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 1: And do you want another reason why? He said, recently

640
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: I had songs like about corn bread and chicken. I

641
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 1: had a Bolognian one of my songs, and it just

642
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: food is happening right now a lot of my albums.

643
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stay away from chicken Fried. I don't want

644
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 1: to be known as the food guy. So he turned

645
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: it down. Zach Brown Band said okay, fine, we'll keep it,

646
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 1: and now this is their jam of course. Pretty interesting. Yeah,

647
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 1: that is pretty cool. I can't think of the Zach

648
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: Brown band with Bologney in it. I know, he yeah,

649
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 1: the Alan Jackson song, I know, the the corn bread,

650
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 1: corn bread and chicken, yeah where I come from. Yeah,

651
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 1: but where's the Bologney song? Mike? When you google Allan Jackson? Oh,

652
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 1: I still like bologny. I don't even know that song.

653
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:29,959
Speaker 1: Must be an album cut, Alan, and we don't know

654
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: that song. You could have gone with chicken fried? Dude?

655
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 1: Was that a single? Really? I don't know that song.

656
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 1: I don't either, but but you know what I do,

657
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 1: we have. I still like Bologny in the system. You

658
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 1: know what I thought too, is really things that we

659
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 1: don't care about. Like if if Alan would have put

660
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 1: out chicken fried and he had cornbread and chicken and

661
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: the Bologney song, I don't think we would care too much.

662
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 1: We wouldn't even probably think about calling him the food guy.

663
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,239
Speaker 1: But in his mind, it's a brand, and he's like,

664
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 1: I can't be known as a food guy, especially fried chicken.

665
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 1: They's satellite communication. I know this all long distance, Yeah,

666
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:12,800
Speaker 1: I just didn't know it's called It's like I still

667
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 1: like maloney white bread, Yeah of course, yeah, yeah, yeah,

668
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 1: I know it's all willing, good enough. Don't embrace it

669
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:26,399
Speaker 1: like I should. Wouldn't want to go back even if

670
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 1: by here we go, here's the chorus. But I still

671
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 1: like a brand and that's colonial white bread with mustard.

672
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 1: Love it. Not the best for me healthwise, no, but

673
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 1: love it. But Alan Jackson did say in retrospect, I

674
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:51,399
Speaker 1: should have recorded that. Yeah, how about this my version

675
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 1: of music school. I want to talk about Chris Stapleton's

676
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 1: number one songs as a songwriter. So he only has

677
00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 1: one number one as a singer artist, which is ok

678
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 1: in Halos, which at two thousand one number one or

679
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: two thousand eighteen millionaire, was only a number two. Woh,

680
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. But that's his only radio number

681
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,839
Speaker 1: one Broken Halos. His album has been number one forever.

682
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: It was number one in a lot of weeks. But

683
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 1: he's had several number ones as just a songwriter more

684
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 1: than as being an artist. So I thought we'd look

685
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 1: at his country number one's Josh Turner your Man, just

686
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: to be you that video and Chris came in before

687
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: he was a big deal. We set him on the

688
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 1: show a lot and he played this because he was

689
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,359
Speaker 1: songwriter Chris Stapleton's It's got millions of yous on our

690
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: YouTube channel, Chris Stapleton doing your Man, and it was

691
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 1: very different than Josh Turner's version because Chris sings higher

692
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 1: and angrier and angrier. Right, So, yeah, there you go.

693
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 1: That was a number one for Josh Turner. Another one

694
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: is Thomas Rhett Crash and Burn and if I'm not

695
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 1: in Spake and Bone, I think he's singing in the

696
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: background the song. He said, Oh yeah, I'm right there, yeah,

697
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:09,320
Speaker 1: doing background vocals and I again, if I'm not mistaking,

698
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 1: I think he's doing the wh Yeah. We asked him that.

699
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:14,399
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, is that the Chain Gang song?

700
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 1: They were like, no, that's me because do you know

701
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 1: chain Gang song? He goes on the Chang Gang. He goes,

702
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: that's the sound of them and working on the Chain Gang.

703
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 1: Know ye Never Wanted Nothing More by Kenny Chesney Nothing Moved,

704
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: Nothing Move, released in two thousand seven. He wrote that

705
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 1: I didn't know that he wrote comeback song by Darius Rucker.

706
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:47,760
Speaker 1: Because I didn't know. This is such a damn. Stapleton

707
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: has written two songs with Darius over the years. This

708
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: one got him a number one spot on the charts,

709
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 1: which is pretty cool. I wonder if Chris ever plays

710
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 1: these songs live. Probably not now. I bet he did

711
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: early when he is a songwriter. Don't have a bunch

712
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,959
Speaker 1: of hits now. People want to hear his songs for sure, yes,

713
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: but I would love to hear him sing this one.

714
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,280
Speaker 1: The best thing that I had going by Brad Paisley.

715
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: This is way back in the day. So number one

716
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: as one, number one as an artist, the five five

717
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 1: as a songwriters, so six total. Pretty cool. That's awesome.

718
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 1: He's got new music. I think that two songs out

719
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 1: right now. He has the one that we play, but

720
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 1: then he has another one called Cold. Yeah, the one

721
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: we play is really good. I like it. Well start again,

722
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 1: begin again? What's that starting over? Yeah? Yeah? I mean

723
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 1: everybody loves Chris Stapleton. There's one thing we can agree

724
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 1: on in this country. We all love. Everybody loves Chris Stapleton. Eddie,

725
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 1: tell me about your podcast, Sore Loses podcast me lunch

726
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 1: Box and Raimundo and we talk sports guy stuff. We

727
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:00,879
Speaker 1: get on each other's nerve, but then we make each

728
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: other laugh. So it's a good podcast. Check it out.

729
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: You like sports or idiots, that's exactly what he's playing

730
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: out Fred. Check out the Sore Losers podcast. All right,

731
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,919
Speaker 1: thank you very much, Cassie. How are you? I'm good?

732
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: How are you? I'm real good. I was looking at

733
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 1: your Instagram the other day, which just fascinated with the

734
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 1: clothes that you make. That's a whole side topic. But

735
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: and you had a motorcycle with you and you were like, man,

736
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 1: this is such a natural endorsement for me to have

737
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:28,839
Speaker 1: or the record label to have. And then I saw

738
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 1: you put out a song that was, you know, basically

739
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 1: in that same vein, which is Black Motorcycle, which came

740
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 1: out on Wednesday. So I guess you grew up with motorcycles. Yes,

741
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:43,240
Speaker 1: I did. I My dad had one to my entire life,

742
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 1: and he always took me up from my mom's house

743
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: on one. And I grew up on their bikes, like

744
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 1: when had trails throughout a whole bomb. So that was

745
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: just you couldn't keep me off of them, so you

746
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 1: like to drive them or ride on them. Um, Now,

747
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 1: now that I'm old enough that I had my life Sinse.

748
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 1: I definitely drive, and I drove dirt bikes, but growing

749
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 1: up I was on debt the entire childhood. Did they

750
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 1: give you a free Harley for this? Um? No, no, no,

751
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: but I'll call my That would make my entire life

752
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: that happen. Yeah. Well, I love that you put the

753
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 1: song out on a Wednesday too. Is there a theory

754
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: for you behind putting out music on a Wednesday instead

755
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: of the standard put it out on a Friday. I

756
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,240
Speaker 1: wanted to kind of avoid the crowd of a Friday

757
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,720
Speaker 1: because I know it's just a music fan when Friday

758
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 1: rules around, Like, I'm trying to get through all the

759
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 1: music that I want to get to, and you know,

760
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: our lives are fast paced, we're all busy, and it's

761
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 1: really hard to do that. So I thought, I really

762
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 1: loved my favorite armies came out there and saw on

763
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: a Wednesday, so that I had time to digestic for

764
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 1: everything else hit. So I thought, why not do that myself?

765
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,720
Speaker 1: This song? Was it already a song that existed before

766
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 1: you got Hardy to be a part of it. Yes,

767
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 1: I wrote this song like three years ago. Huh, And

768
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 1: so you had it. Did you pitched them, Hey, we

769
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 1: may put this out if you guys want to be

770
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: a part of it, or we're putting it out, would

771
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 1: you guys like to be a part of it? Well,

772
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: we we honestly thought about just putting it out, and

773
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 1: then last year Holy came to my Sensis performance and

774
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 1: we started on conversations. They knew how big of a

775
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 1: Harley fan I was. They got to be my dad,

776
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 1: I got to go up to the museum and tour,

777
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,280
Speaker 1: and then it was it was like a no brainer,

778
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 1: let's put the song out and announced the partnership. I

779
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 1: was looking at your your TikTok. You got a TikTok

780
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 1: that has three point two million views, like one of

781
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 1: yours is it's one of your friends acting out a

782
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,959
Speaker 1: scene from Harry Potter? Were you first of all, Hey,

783
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 1: that's awesome to get three million views on a TikTok.

784
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: We did one at the house last week and it's

785
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 1: got two point four million right now. And I was

786
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 1: looking at it before I came over. I was like,

787
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 1: Holy crab, And then I looked at yours and I

788
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 1: was like, oh, man, Cassie crushed us. But were you

789
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,839
Speaker 1: guys on a train when you did this. Yes, we

790
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 1: were on a trane in Germany and we didn't think, oh,

791
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,359
Speaker 1: let's make a TikTok. We didn't anything. That was just

792
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 1: my guitar Jane by guitar player games, just thinking themselves.

793
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 1: That all happened to record it. And then when I

794
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 1: was told like, hey, you got a post to two

795
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 1: talks about making TikTok, that was the perfect one. And

796
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 1: of course it got like three million years and like

797
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 1: a couple of days, I think, and I was like, oh,

798
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 1: all I had to do was high guitar player, and

799
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 1: so this was the secret all along. I watched your

800
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 1: tutorial on how to customize your iPhone with the new

801
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 1: operating system. Yours look obviously because it's you, super cool

802
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 1: and artsy. Did I see that you helped Marion Morris

803
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: do that on her phone too? Yeah? I did. She

804
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 1: texted me and I that was the first before I

805
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 1: made this when I sent her which was like not

806
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 1: as in depth as the one I posted, and she's like,

807
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 1: thank you so much, and so she said this is

808
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,240
Speaker 1: still other people this. So I made a full tutorial

809
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 1: and posted it and it was crazy because people were

810
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: coming me, coming to me with like other questions, and

811
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: I was like, listen, I have no I've just tood

812
00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 1: at customization in anything in life and those than that

813
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 1: so far. So you just an all around artist, if

814
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,839
Speaker 1: it's music or fashion or even customizing your iPhone. When

815
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 1: did this start for you? Whenever you had the itch

816
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:14,839
Speaker 1: to be creative? Oh, as soon as I was old

817
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 1: enough to realize that can be. I think I didn't

818
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,280
Speaker 1: decide one day that I was going to be creative.

819
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: I just was made that way. My mom would let

820
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 1: me take my clothes out, literally in kindergarten, and I

821
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 1: would put dress up close together, and I would watch

822
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 1: her so and he sang, so I sang, and it

823
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 1: just kind of came together. And I think as I

824
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:41,399
Speaker 1: got older, I learned that the best, most rewarding thing

825
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 1: to me is to see something in on in my

826
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 1: brain and then you know, bring it to fruition myself.

827
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,720
Speaker 1: That's like the most It makes me happier than anything

828
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: in the world. So I learned every material you can

829
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: do that with. Basically, I saw you building things at

830
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 1: your house too. How many dy projects, big ones do

831
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 1: you think you've done this year? Oh? A lot? I

832
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know. Maybe oh, I don't know.

833
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 1: I did my whole kitchen, I did my master bathroom,

834
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 1: I did my backyard. I did so many outfits, probably

835
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 1: like curly outfits. I had to stop because that much

836
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 1: favage is really expensive and I had nowhere to wear them.

837
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 1: So what was the point? I have to be creative?

838
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 1: Ook to day. That was sec not losing my mind.

839
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 1: You talk about your clothes. I brought it up to

840
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: what percentage of your clothes do you make versus what

841
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 1: you buy? I would say when it comes to like

842
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 1: performances and like appearances that I do, I would say,

843
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 1: I of what I wear, I made Wow. Yeah. Do

844
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 1: you ever gift someone an outfit like, hey, I made

845
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 1: this for you? Very rarely? I made Marion Morris, so

846
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 1: we mentioned there. I made her coat for like, a

847
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:02,760
Speaker 1: very fancy still brocade robe for like when she asked

848
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 1: me to be on her tour. I made that for her.

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Speaker 1: The sleeves were fur lined. And I have made my

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Speaker 1: manager a set of look through with LT pajamas. Not

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Speaker 1: it is that something that you would like to do,

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Speaker 1: because you know people have side deals where side hustles

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Speaker 1: and like Rihanna designs clothes or is this just a

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Speaker 1: you thing right now. For now, it's a meet thing.

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Speaker 1: But it's funny that you bring up Rihanna, because that's

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Speaker 1: like when people are like, what do you want to

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Speaker 1: do with close eventually? That is a great example like

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Speaker 1: music will always lead away, will always be the forefront.

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Speaker 1: It's what I love the most. But I wouldn't love

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Speaker 1: to have a line one day. Love Cassie Ashton on

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Speaker 1: with us. Black Motorcycle came out on Wednesday. You've got

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Speaker 1: so many good songs. I'm just such a big fan

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Speaker 1: of her entire body of work and you just just

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Speaker 1: love what you're doing. Keep it up and thanks for

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Speaker 1: spending a few minutes with me, and I hope you

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Speaker 1: have a good rest of the week. Thank you you too, Alright,

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Speaker 1: Bye Cassie. Bye m