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Speaker 1: Thinking Sideways. I don't you never know stories of things

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Speaker 1: and welcome back to Thinking Sideways the podcast. Welcome back

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Speaker 1: for everybody who's been with us before, Hi there, and

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Speaker 1: welcome for the first time for anybody that hasn't. Who

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Speaker 1: hasn't I think everybody in the world listens to us

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Speaker 1: now quiet not exactly. Well, today we're gonna we're gonna

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Speaker 1: go into a subject that I kind of feel like

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Speaker 1: maybe I stole out from under Devon because Devin likes

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Speaker 1: this week? And I was like, oh, sky quakes. Steve, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the show, ye stuff. Yeah, well, let's talk about skyquakes.

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Speaker 1: Skyquakes are a weird phenomena. Depending on where you are

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Speaker 1: of different things up. You'll hear them called the Guns

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Speaker 1: names very regional. Yeah, absolutely, um, but but they're all over.

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Speaker 1: But you know, that kind of gives you an idea

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Speaker 1: It's this is a global phenomenon that's been going on

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Speaker 1: quite long, hundreds of years. Hundreds of years. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: this so just to kind of give kind of the

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Speaker 1: basic rundown of skyquakes, Typically they're reported in coastal areas

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Speaker 1: they're not thunderclouds. Yes, they're just nice white, poofy clouds

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Speaker 1: referred to as the Bell Island boom. Okay, not enough

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Speaker 1: you know, using dynamite to blast out quarries. Yeah, but

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00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 1: but I know that this can't be what caused this.

427
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:47,879
Speaker 1: When the original natives of this country, the US, heard

428
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,680
Speaker 1: this noise, I know, it was not the US military

429
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 1: setting off some secret weapon. Now, and there were a

430
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 1: bunch of white people over there doing some mining you

431
00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:03,159
Speaker 1: know here, you know, So yeah, so military, Okay, it

432
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 1: could account for a very very peeny percentage, but that's

433
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 1: all I'll give it. Uh. Next, we have and this

434
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: is actually a theory that really only comes up in

435
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:18,160
Speaker 1: one area, but that is the continental shelf falling off,

436
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 1: which is actually something that Devon just touched on a

437
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 1: little bit. But this only happens in the South Atlantic.

438
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,679
Speaker 1: This theory only comes from the South Atlantic region of

439
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 1: the United States. And what it says, in its simplest form,

440
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 1: is that we've got tectonic planes that are heaving over

441
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 1: each other and diving under and that the continental shelf

442
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 1: is essentially sloughing off and breaking off as it's you know,

443
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: being pushed under. I don't like it. No, I don't

444
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 1: like I mean anything that that would create that kind

445
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 1: of clear noise would also be creating huge tsunamis and

446
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:03,160
Speaker 1: you know all of other stuff. And we're not saying

447
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:07,919
Speaker 1: some sonamis. The continental shelf isn't falling off in the

448
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 1: little middle of Lake Michigan, for instance. Well, there might

449
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 1: be like a little Michigan shelf that's falling off. That's

450
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 1: probably the little Michigan shelfgan Okay. Theories, Yeah, absolutely, And

451
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,679
Speaker 1: I got to tell you this last, this one that

452
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,679
Speaker 1: we're about to go into, is probably my favorite theory,

453
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 1: and that is that this is caused by meteorological events.

454
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 1: That the mouthful of the word it is. Though the

455
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 1: folks at home don't know what I said. It's seven

456
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 1: times before I got right. Um, that's what happens when

457
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 1: you're the editor. It really is. Here's what's going on.

458
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 1: And this is based on what's called inversion or atmospheric inversion.

459
00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 1: Heat rises. We know that so as he rises, it

460
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 1: warms the air, so the warm of the earth, surface

461
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: of the earth is warmer, and as it goes up,

462
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 1: it cools until we get to the top of the

463
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 1: atmosphere out in the ocean. This would hold true unless

464
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 1: we get an upwelling of cold water because currents cause

465
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 1: up wells, and so they push tons and tons of

466
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: cold water towards the surface, and that can cool that

467
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 1: air in that region. So if you think about the

468
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: way the air is, and let's just break this down

469
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 1: into three layers from the surface of the earth. So

470
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 1: we've got the bottom layer, the middle layer, which is

471
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: slightly cooler, and the top layer that goes to the

472
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 1: edge of our atmosphere. That's the coldest with me so far. Okay, Now,

473
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 1: if we get a cold air inversion because of that,

474
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 1: that cold air pushes up as it comes inland, it

475
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 1: kind of pushes itself a bit above and we get

476
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 1: a cold warm cold So it's cold air on the bottom,

477
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 1: warmer air in the middle, and then colder air on

478
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 1: the top, and it it kind of creates a air shelf.

479
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: What happens is sound travels typically farther in a cold environment.

480
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: So if we have this happen and out at sea,

481
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 1: several miles out at sea, there's a thunderstorm, people in

482
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 1: the area go, wow, it's kind of a cold day.

483
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 1: It's clear blue skuys, but it's chilly because they don't

484
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 1: realize that, you know, let's say twenty miles up the

485
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 1: air is actually warmer than where they're at, or it's

486
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 1: warmer than it should be than. We've got a storm

487
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 1: out at sea and it's a thunderstorm. That sound from

488
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 1: the thunder is going to ricochet. Goes through a cold

489
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 1: air tunnel, goes through a colder it hits the surface

490
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: of the water, it bounces up, it hits that kind

491
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 1: of shelf barrier between the coal low area and the

492
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 1: warm middle area, and bounces back down to the earth.

493
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 1: It's kind of like skipping that we talked about with

494
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 1: Lost Boi Larry, with how radio frequencies skip it. It's

495
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 1: actually a phenomenon that the experience with sonar and underseas

496
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: you get because thermal layers, a thermal layer, which is

497
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: a temperature gradient, sudden change, low frequency sounds can travel

498
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: hundreds of miles. So yeah, and so that it bounces

499
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 1: back and forth right and so that that thunder would

500
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: bounce back and forth the sound of the thunder, and

501
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 1: so it comes inland where it's a beautiful blue sky

502
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 1: day and there's this sudden crack and raging noise, which,

503
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: if you think about the clip that we played, kind

504
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 1: of sounds like thunder. Yeah. I guess the only problem

505
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 1: I would have with this is that it seems like

506
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: the sound would kind of deteriorate over there. And I

507
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 1: don't know if that's true or not. I don't know

508
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 1: if it does or not. But lived in the Midwest

509
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: for all a while, and they have some pretty rip

510
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 1: roaring thunderstorms out there, and yeah, still, you know, I

511
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 1: don't know that I have ever heard thunder that is

512
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 1: like that percussive that sets car alarms off like crazy.

513
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, every once in a while. But for

514
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: it to be coming from like twenty miles away out

515
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,959
Speaker 1: sea or whatever and be traveling to still be that percussive,

516
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 1: to be like that powerful seems counterintutive to me. And

517
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 1: I don't totally you know, I'm not a scientist. I

518
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 1: don't have the science behind it, but that it seems

519
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 1: like at least the percussive quality of it would deteriorate

520
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 1: a little bit that it wouldn't Beever, have you ever

521
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 1: been in your house and the thunderstorm is directly above

522
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 1: you and it's rattling the windows, or if you've been

523
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 1: on a mountain so you're high up and a giant

524
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 1: thunderclap goes off, it's freaking out and I don't but

525
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 1: I don't know if it, you know, sets off car

526
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: alarms like that or if it, uh, you know that

527
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: was all the car alarms right, well, if you're if

528
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 1: you're at grounds, are on the lightning storm where i've

529
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 1: which I have been in, Uh yeah, the boom is

530
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 1: tremendous and that was set off. But yeah, again from

531
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: a distance to say it really is. I mean that

532
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 1: video that was always we heard the car alarms going off.

533
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 1: But the guy that was making the video maybe he

534
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 1: his friends were throwing rocks in all the cars in

535
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 1: the neighborhood. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know. The other thing

536
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 1: is that when we listen to that video earlier and

537
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 1: we keep talking about this like, I don't know that

538
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 1: it would be that percussive. It's also I know it

539
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: doesn't it really sound like thunder and it sounds that,

540
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 1: you know. Interestingly, if you if you listen to the

541
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 1: two blasts here, they're remarkably consistent. It's it's basically it's

542
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: three quick explosions and you know, thunders usually like it's

543
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 1: a little more random. Yeah, of course, you know this

544
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 1: particular video, I mean it not it isn't necessarily one

545
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 1: of these sky booms or whatever we're calling them sky booms.

546
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: It would have sounded to me like it was three

547
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 1: quick explosions. It sounded to be like u uh an

548
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 1: M sixteen with a three round burst select or activated.

549
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 1: It does sound like a gun, very specific. No, I mean,

550
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: it could say, I mean, I've you know, I've I've

551
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 1: lived in rural areas where they were setting off explosive

552
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 1: and it does kind of sound like an explosion literally,

553
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: like an explosive detonating. Yeah, so you know, that could

554
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 1: be an explanation, and that would explain why the sound

555
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,320
Speaker 1: is so loud and so clear. But again the problem

556
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 1: is why is it only in these areas and are

557
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 1: they doing something off the coast with explosives that people

558
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 1: don't realize there's explosions going on everywhere. But yeah, again,

559
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: this one sounded to me like a three round burst

560
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: from from them, and you know, and it's it's possible

561
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 1: that the other ones sound different, but it's yeah, we've

562
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 1: only got the I mean there's there's a number of

563
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 1: videos out there that you can track down. I mean

564
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 1: I only pulled one in and the problem is that

565
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,320
Speaker 1: they're all outside with you know, the wind and the

566
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: dogs in the cars, and it's a cell phone or

567
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 1: a video camera, so it's it's hard to get that

568
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 1: noise very clear and exact. Yeah. Yeah, well, I mean

569
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 1: that the netance. You know, most often when they happened,

570
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 1: you just got a single boom, right, Not always there's

571
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: multiples like what we've I've read about, you know, several

572
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 1: little rows. So it's not as if it's like I

573
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 1: said in the meeting, it's not always just one, can

574
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 1: be several of them. Yeah, kind of lens creatings to

575
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 1: the whole theory that it's a thunderstorm far away that

576
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 1: sounds just being channeled. Yeah, and that's and then that's honestly,

577
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 1: that's that's my favorite one. That The last theory that

578
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:56,800
Speaker 1: we've got I'm even worse on than the military testing

579
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 1: is people say, well, it was a gun, like Joe

580
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: just said it, Oh, somebody was shooting a gun, and

581
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: guns long guns, big guns. Uh, there's still the problem

582
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 1: of time. You haven't always been able to make a

583
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 1: that loud of a concussive sound, So that to me

584
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 1: seems too simple, and I just I kind of let

585
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 1: it go right at you know, right after reading about Yeah,

586
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,320
Speaker 1: I know it is. I think that again, as I

587
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 1: said earlier, I think it's these things probably come from

588
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 1: a multiple set of sources. And I'm laking the I

589
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 1: agree with you. I'm liking the whole idea of the

590
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 1: sound channel being converted by the inversion layer, and you know,

591
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 1: then it's being sort of funneled towards the coastline from

592
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 1: a distant storm. That's and that probably is responsible for

593
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 1: some of that. And I also agree that it's that,

594
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: And I think part of it probably is, you know,

595
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: the earthquake theory. There are small, minor earthquakes that channel

596
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 1: that sound, and I think that's possibly some of it

597
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 1: as well. Now, why it's only heard in coastal regions,

598
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,800
Speaker 1: it's not really explained very well in this But you know,

599
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: that's that's the other one that I kind of I

600
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 1: kind of give stock to. Yeah, and then there could

601
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 1: be a couple of occasional random ones, could be medias,

602
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 1: could be sonic booms. Yeah, you know, I think I

603
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 1: think a nice mix of all of the theories is

604
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 1: probably the best explanation for this one. Yeah, sweet, all right,

605
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 1: well that is the theories that we've got. I think

606
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,359
Speaker 1: we've kind of all weighed enough on that. I don't

607
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: think we need to beat that anymore. Uh. If you

608
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:37,839
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609
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,279
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612
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Speaker 1: welcome you Thinks to Sideways. Tonight we cover sky quakes.

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Speaker 1: Who are they, where do they come from, what do

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