1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you missed in History Class A production 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio, Hello and Happy Friday. A'm Holly 3 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: Fry and I'm trace Phoebe Wilson. We talked about more 4 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:20,960 Speaker 1: upon Himous Foods this week. We sure did. I love 5 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: these episodes. They're so fun to research because there's so 6 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 1: much they said. They said that goes on, but mostly 7 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 1: it's pretty good natured because it's all people who just 8 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:35,319 Speaker 1: love food, So I love it. Um. There was an 9 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: interesting detail that was like a gossipy thing. George Rector, 10 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 1: who included the recipe for vetacchini Alfredo in his cookbook, 11 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: later reported this thing that is not true, um, but 12 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 1: caused some confusion, which is that you know, we talked 13 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 1: about those gold utensils that Douglas Fairbanks and Mary Pickford 14 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 1: had made for Alfredo de la Leo, and George Rector 15 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: at one point reported that delay Leo had donated those 16 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: two Mussolini's war effort to be melted down for financing. Apparently, 17 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: but that's not Those utensils still exist, they're photographs of 18 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 1: them that are recent. This reminds me of multiple things 19 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 1: I've seen on Twitter recently where somebody is really confidently, 20 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 1: like this Golden Girls scene is even more amazing when 21 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:30,119 Speaker 1: you realize it was improvised and then the people that 22 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: wrote and blocked that scene or like it wasn't actually 23 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: and it's like did you just just make that while 24 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 1: like why why? Yeah? Yeah, Um, I mean listen. Betty 25 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 1: White genius. I hope everyone could afford to do so. 26 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 1: Donated in her name on her birthday. Um, we did, 27 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 1: and I was delighted to discover one of the animal 28 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: shelters we donated to had Betty White as a dropped 29 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 1: down for the reason you might be donating, and I 30 00:01:56,560 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: was like, yes, um, but set a chini alfredo is 31 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: a thing I could eat by the gallum. Yeah, me too, 32 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: like a guppy. I will eat it until I feel 33 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 1: sick and then be like, but a few more will 34 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:13,239 Speaker 1: be fine. It's so delicious. It has the same roots 35 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: for me as my love of Caesar salad, which is 36 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:20,639 Speaker 1: being vegetarian in the early nineties, um, and also in college, 37 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: because we we could have a microwave, we could not 38 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: have like things that had an exposed heating element, so 39 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 1: things that could be made in the microwave were really 40 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 1: important and frozen fetacchini alfredo was often vegetarian. Obviously not vegan, 41 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:43,799 Speaker 1: but was often vegetarian, and the thing that it came 42 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: in also fit in the little, tiny, tiny freezer compartment 43 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: of a dorm fridge. Um, and that was really really 44 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:54,679 Speaker 1: one of my staples for food that I could make 45 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 1: and eat in my dorm. Perfection. Perfection. I've just always 46 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:07,959 Speaker 1: loved it really good. Man. Um, we discussed that you 47 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 1: do not enjoy holiday sauce, no, and I think, like 48 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 1: something about the texture of it bothers me. I'm a 49 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 1: lot better about this than I was when I was 50 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 1: a child, but there are a few food textures that 51 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 1: I just do you do not enjoy And then combining 52 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 1: it with the poached eggs like that's just a little 53 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 1: too like way too far over the like sort of 54 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: shiny gloppy edge for me, and I'm like, I can't. Oh, oh, 55 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 1: I bet you do not like Loco Moco either. I've 56 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 1: never tried to eat it, so I could not tell you. 57 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: I have like a rabid addiction to Loco Moco, which, 58 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: for anybody that doesn't know it, I have had it 59 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: in many places, but it's usually attributed to Hawaii as 60 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: point of origin. But it um is rice either steamed 61 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 1: or some places make it with fried rice, and then 62 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 1: it has usually a hamburger patty or a big chunk 63 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 1: of spam on it, depending on where you get it. 64 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: And then uh, two poached eggs or sometimes like a 65 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: fried egg that's still got some movement to it, and 66 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: then brown gravy on top. So similarly, it might be 67 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 1: too gloopy for you, yeah, own and like some kinds 68 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 1: of gloopy or fine, but other kinds of glopy not 69 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: so much. And then also when I was a small child, 70 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 1: my brother got salmonella, and that consequently made our whole 71 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 1: household very cautious around uh, undercooked or uncooked egg. I know, 72 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:44,919 Speaker 1: undercooked goes in quotation marks, there's there's you know, everybody 73 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:48,040 Speaker 1: has a different threshold, different tolerances, and that was that 74 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 1: probably wasn't how my brother got salmonella in the first place, 75 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 1: but his experience with that illness was so bad he 76 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 1: did not have to be hospitalized, fortunately, but it lingered 77 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 1: forever and it was not fun. And so all of 78 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:05,480 Speaker 1: the potential salmonella vectors just became just the whole huge 79 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 1: problem at our house. So I am guessing you do 80 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 1: not drink a lot of flip cocktails either not a 81 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 1: lot now since they have a whole raw egg and 82 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 1: that I occasionally, uh, we'll we'll do something that has 83 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:23,159 Speaker 1: like egg white in it. Um. I love a kniac flip. 84 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 1: I love it like with a it's a problem. But 85 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 1: my solve in all of this was that I bet 86 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 1: if you made something more like an Alfredo sauce and 87 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 1: put it on the eggs Benedict, we could call it 88 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: eggs Wilson and you might find it more palatable. Yeau. 89 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 1: Just imagine sopping up Alfredo saucy would have to be 90 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 1: the stuff with cream in it. I think, um, with 91 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: your English muffin lefto. Oh, come on, that would be delicious. 92 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:57,919 Speaker 1: And you said you had not had crabby evil. I 93 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:00,840 Speaker 1: don't think I have, but that I mean all the 94 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: all the component parts of it and them like that 95 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 1: all sounds good to me. Yes, I Um. I lived 96 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 1: in the Pacific Northwest when I was a kid, so 97 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:12,279 Speaker 1: I had it then. Um. And then I love San 98 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 1: Francisco and visit as often as I can, And anytime 99 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 1: I see it on a restaurant menu, that's one of 100 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 1: the things that I'll be like, yes, please, because I 101 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 1: love it so much. Some places um have started adding 102 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 1: like you'll get crab Louis with a little shrimp added 103 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: in as well, which presumably is like a cost saving 104 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 1: measure because sometimes crab is very expensive. Um, but man, 105 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:39,479 Speaker 1: it's always delicious. I love it. I love it. I 106 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:43,039 Speaker 1: don't know if I've exhausted our eponymous food options. Probably not. 107 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:46,480 Speaker 1: One never knows. It's a good one to have as 108 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 1: a go to when we've been talking about people being 109 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 1: murdered violently. Yeah, yeah, it's it's the murder antidote. Yeah. Um, 110 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 1: but I always want to talk about food anyway. So ah, 111 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 1: this was a very hard one, as they always are 112 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 1: when you discuss delicious things, Because how badly did I 113 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: want to go out and get all of the makings 114 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 1: of fed acchini alfredo and make it from scratch? Yeah? 115 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 1: I mean I want some now and we don't have 116 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 1: any in the house, and we don't. It really is 117 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 1: a whole different story if you get freshly made fed 118 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 1: a chenie. Yeah, well, and we have we have all 119 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: the things to make our own pasta here, you know, 120 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 1: thanks wedding gift of a kitchen ade mixer in various successories. 121 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 1: Do you have the cutter, like the roll cutter. We 122 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 1: have a thing that attaches to the kitchen aide that 123 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 1: that does it nice. Yeah, um, And they're a little 124 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: fiddly to clean, but we have. It's always the trick. 125 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 1: It's always the trick. I remember growing up my mom 126 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: had one of those roll cutters that you had a 127 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: hand crank that you passed it through, and I loved 128 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 1: doing that part of the work. It was what my 129 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: mom had. It was it was a very similar design 130 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 1: but for a different purpose, which was a greater that 131 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 1: operated very similarly to that, but have little cones that 132 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: you put on you hand cranked it. And uh, I 133 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: bet if I literal hard I could I could find 134 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: one now, But it seems like anytime I try to 135 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 1: do that same task now it is on a box greater, 136 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 1: which in my opinion, takes longer. Yes, I have only 137 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:33,679 Speaker 1: recently discovered the garlic zoom. Do you know what that is? 138 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 1: It's like a little I'm mad at everybody that knew 139 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: what it was and never told me because I'm not 140 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: the world's fastest mentor of garlic. And I don't even 141 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 1: know if that's a brand name or what, but like, 142 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:47,559 Speaker 1: that's what it's called as a general utensil. It's like 143 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:52,559 Speaker 1: a little plastic almost donut shaped wheel that has blades 144 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: in it, and you shove your clothes of garlic in 145 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 1: and you close it and then it rolls along the 146 00:08:56,640 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 1: countertop like a toy, and then it's all minced beautifully 147 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: and perfectly. And if you go for a really long time, 148 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: you get pretty close to garlic paste. Yeah, so different. 149 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 1: We have a garlic press that can press garlic that 150 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: has the skin still on. Uh. And then we also 151 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 1: have a little like silicone tube that you can put 152 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 1: your garlic clothes in there and roll it to get 153 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 1: the skin off of them. Oh. I just smush it 154 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: with a knife and it falls off. That's normally how 155 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 1: I have done it. But at some point we got 156 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: this thing. You got technologies. Um. The garlic press is 157 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 1: a really nice garlic press though, and it um you 158 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 1: can just stick the clove in there without peeling at first, 159 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 1: and it's fine. I do also laugh. This came up 160 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 1: also on our our discussion of um caesar salad, all 161 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 1: of this anti garlic hate that was going on in 162 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 1: the mid twentieth century. Yeah, I love garlic. It's like 163 00:09:58,120 --> 00:09:59,719 Speaker 1: the best thing on Earth. I don't know what that's 164 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 1: about out but now I feel like I have many 165 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 1: delicious things to consider and consider making, and I have 166 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:11,680 Speaker 1: to figure out a way to make a sauce Wilson 167 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:15,199 Speaker 1: that is palatable to you on your I would love that. 168 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 1: Thank you, Jar is going to show up on your 169 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 1: doorstep and you're gonna be like, oh, but hopefully it 170 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:38,559 Speaker 1: will be delicious. We talked about Peter Roger this week. Yeah, 171 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:42,199 Speaker 1: with many surprises in that story. I love his little 172 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 1: escaping Geneva. Sure. I mean I I associate his name 173 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:50,959 Speaker 1: most with the Parists, and we did not even get 174 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 1: to that but until the very very end of the episode. Yeah. 175 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:58,959 Speaker 1: I mean, it's kind of fascinating. Every almost every biography 176 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 1: or you know, article about him that I read notes 177 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 1: that like most of the time, the breadth of of 178 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: the things he worked on cannot possibly all get mentioned, 179 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 1: and often like you'll just get one that's about him 180 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: as a doctor, or just get one about the Cesareus, 181 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: which again ignores the first sixty plus years of his 182 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: life in many ways. It's fascinating. Um. There was an 183 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 1: interesting note that I read in one particular biography, and 184 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:28,439 Speaker 1: it was a chapter of a larger book where they 185 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 1: mentioned that, UM, like a hundred years after he did 186 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 1: that spoke illusion. There was a publicist named Will Hayes 187 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 1: who worked in Hollywood, and he suggested that in some 188 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:45,079 Speaker 1: ways Roger had had discovered the nature of how movies 189 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:47,559 Speaker 1: and film worked, like with that whole this is how 190 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 1: your eye is perceiving movement. This is essentially how film 191 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 1: is tricking your eye at the same time, UM, which 192 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 1: is an interesting idea, but that has also led to 193 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 1: UM cinema historians being like, please, please don't do that, 194 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 1: confusing all of this issue, which is kind of interesting. Oh, 195 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 1: the Bridgewater treatises. Now, in one thing, I wanted to 196 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:18,680 Speaker 1: mention um specifically about Roget that work which became so 197 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:21,320 Speaker 1: much the focus of his efforts for a while, and 198 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:23,439 Speaker 1: so important to him at a time in his life 199 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:28,199 Speaker 1: where things were really difficult. UM. Some historians have suggested 200 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: that that was very much for him a way to 201 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:40,679 Speaker 1: reconcile his scientific work with religion, because he had always been, 202 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 1: you know, theoretically religious, but not really that fervent about it. 203 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:50,479 Speaker 1: But after Mary died he became much more devoutly religious, 204 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:54,560 Speaker 1: and he was constantly focused on what would happen when 205 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 1: he met her in the afterlife, and so for a 206 00:12:57,440 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: lot of people. When you look at this, you know, 207 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 1: six undred pages he wrote using science to prove all 208 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 1: of the things he wanted to believe about about God 209 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 1: in the afterlife and and whatnot. Um, you can make 210 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 1: a pretty clear assumption about like cause and effect going 211 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 1: on there, which is kind of interesting. There is a 212 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 1: really really funny to me, I'm sure it was not 213 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 1: funny at the time. Thing that happened with the first 214 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: edition of Roger's Thesaurus in the United States, which is 215 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:35,679 Speaker 1: one of those things where you're like the qua um. 216 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: It was edited by a man named Dr Barness Sears, 217 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 1: and he was I don't even want to say he 218 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 1: was very conservative, because it goes beyond that. You know 219 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 1: how some people who believe that they are very pious 220 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 1: and that everyone else is kind of like a snarley 221 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 1: mess of sin see sinful things where they're not sinful things. 222 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 1: He edited so many words out of the Bizarres because 223 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 1: he thought they were dirty that it became almost unusable 224 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 1: in some ways. And I mean, like two of the 225 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 1: words that come up when people are talking about this 226 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 1: edit are aria, like the musical term and fugue. It 227 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 1: was just like dirty words they gotta get out. What 228 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 1: I did not ever manage to find an available digital 229 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 1: copy of that first American Rog's Bizarres, but I'm just 230 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 1: picturing it is this really unusable, clunky thing, which made 231 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 1: Roget very irritated, of course, because he had carefully written 232 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 1: it so that there were literally people that wanted to 233 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 1: read it cover to cover because they found it just 234 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 1: so interesting. So I can imagine the other thing that 235 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 1: I didn't put in this show, but I thought was 236 00:14:56,600 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 1: very funny UM is about Sylvia Plath. Really, she loved 237 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 1: Roget's Bizarres and talked about it all the time, and 238 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 1: she even called herself Roger's strumpet, And when she met 239 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 1: Ted Hughes, she was making jokes about how her heart 240 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 1: already belonged to this other man being Peter Roche. Was 241 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 1: amazing because she loved his work so much so, even 242 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: though she too has a very sad end. I thought 243 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 1: that was a very very funny UM take on Peter 244 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 1: Rochet all that he had done. I mean, there's so 245 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: many writers that have invoked his work as like being 246 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 1: just a completely vital and incredibly important tool for their 247 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 1: own work. So yeah, yeah, well, and it's like I 248 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 1: remember as a child flipping through Roget's The Stars of 249 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 1: the Library. But the Rogers the Stars that is on 250 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: my bookshelf is one in dictionary form, which is like 251 00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 1: more practically useful if you're writing, while the other is 252 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 1: more like broadly useful as a resource to to look 253 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 1: at the whole pattern rather than I just need a 254 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 1: different word for this word. I need to not say, 255 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 1: you know, happy twelve times in this sentence. You can, 256 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 1: but it might be edited out in the American Aria 257 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 1: filthy word. That made me laugh so hard again. I'm 258 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 1: sure it was not funny at all for any of 259 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 1: the people involved, going what have you done? Um, but 260 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 1: it sure makes me laugh. Yeah. Like I said, I 261 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 1: love that story of him getting back to England with 262 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 1: his two underage students. That's a pretty um ingenious approach 263 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 1: to be like, I know my dad was, my dad 264 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 1: was from here, I can get citizenship. Um. Yeah. Apparently 265 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 1: that bribe happened because he found that government official he 266 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 1: needed to certify his blood relation to his father, like 267 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 1: playing cards somewhere. It was like, dude, I'm just trying 268 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 1: to get to these two kids to get home. Can 269 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 1: I will give you money? Please just do this anyway? 270 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 1: That is Peter Roget kind of love them. Uh. And 271 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 1: this was one of those episodes that he bumped up 272 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 1: against so many other interesting people that I ended up 273 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:24,959 Speaker 1: with a list of like six more people I want 274 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:27,399 Speaker 1: to talk about and their various contributions. But let me 275 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:31,400 Speaker 1: tell you, Bridgewater is happening and he is funny. All 276 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 1: I'm saying is he dressed his dogs. Um sounds great. Uh. 277 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:41,639 Speaker 1: If this is your weekend coming up in terms of 278 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 1: actually having time off, I hope it is so restorative 279 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 1: and RESTful and that if you read anything, you enjoy 280 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 1: it and it is not edited in a way that 281 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: makes it clunky. And I hope if you don't have 282 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:56,120 Speaker 1: time off and you work on an alternate schedule where 283 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 1: you actually have to do things or even just have responsibilities, 284 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 1: this weekend outs out of your work. 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