1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg Business of Sports. The cold heart truth 2 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: about the Olympic journey is not really been financially incentivized 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:10,480 Speaker 1: in the same way that many of the professional sports are. 4 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: But this is a basketball involved dB A Will Bolls 5 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 1: are licensing arm things for fifty All of those things 6 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:19,600 Speaker 1: will make up what that looks like money in sports. 7 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: It's one of the reasons why I enjoy being on 8 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 1: Money Night Countdown and talk about some of the more 9 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: interesting aspects of business of sports. When you're talking sports, 10 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: discipline is the bridge from being good to ultimately being 11 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 1: great at whatever it is that you're trying to be 12 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:36,840 Speaker 1: your accomplished as your profession. Bloomberg Business of Sports from 13 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Radio. This is the Bloomberg Business of Sports show, 14 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 1: where we explore the big money issues in the world 15 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:46,840 Speaker 1: of sports. I'm Michael Barn Mike Lynch coming up today, 16 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 1: we are speaking with Mike Dannenbaum. You know that name, 17 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 1: ESPNS front office insider, co founder of the thirty third team, 18 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: Mike and this is where you know the name. Was 19 00:00:56,760 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: also the general manager of the New York Jets and 20 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 1: former Miami Dolphins executive vice president of football Operations. That 21 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 1: is straight ahead on the Bloomberg Business of Sports show. 22 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: But first let's look at some of the topics and 23 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: some of the stories of the week. And let's begin 24 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:16,559 Speaker 1: with Serena Williams and Lewis Hamilton's. They are the latest 25 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:19,559 Speaker 1: to join the Chelsea Football Club in a bid teaming 26 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: up with former British Airways chairman Martin Broughton. And there's 27 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 1: Hamilton's and Williams will each toss in thirteen point one 28 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 1: million dollars, or if you're breaking it down in the conversion, 29 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: it's ten million pounds each. I'm gonna go with the 30 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:39,400 Speaker 1: dollar signs. I've never been good at translating money. This 31 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 1: is interesting, um. The Serena and her sister are also 32 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: minority owners of the Miami Dolphins. Serena is also part 33 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 1: owner of the women's soccer team out in Los Angeles. 34 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 1: Lewis Hamilton's world renowned Formula one racer and this Chelsea 35 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 1: purchase is going to be interesting because there's a lot 36 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 1: of competition out there. Steve Bully of the Lost Angelis Dodgers, 37 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: his group is in there. Steve Paliuca, part owner of 38 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: the Celtics, is in there along with Bob Iger, the 39 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 1: former chairman of of Disney, and they're all presented to 40 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: the British government which is going to make a decision 41 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: and not too distant future. But this is another example 42 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 1: of athletes getting involved in ownership of teams. They've almost 43 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 1: gone past sponsorships and other deals like that. We've seen 44 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 1: Lebron James, We've seen Michael Jordan's. This is really another example. 45 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: And these football clubs over there across the pond of 46 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 1: very lucrative investments. And in just to clear up any confusion, 47 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 1: people thought, hey, I thought the deadline had passed about 48 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: trying to get the bids in Serena and Lewis Hamilton's 49 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: are joining an already bid that's there with Martin Brookn. 50 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:51,079 Speaker 1: Be interesting to see who wins out. By the way, 51 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: it should also add that we have others in there 52 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 1: with the Pside family and also Centaurist Capital founder John Arnol, 53 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 1: So they're all in there, you know, bidding and and 54 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: throwing the money around. Let's see who's going to get it. 55 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: So we'll be watching this story as it goes along. 56 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 1: Of course, you know the reason why it's up for 57 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 1: sales because Roman Abroanovich, the Russian billionaire. He has been sanctioned, 58 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: and he had put the club up for sale ahead 59 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 1: of the sanctions because he had a feeling of what 60 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 1: was going to happen. Which brings us to the next story. 61 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 1: And we talked about a few days ago about the 62 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: Wimbledon organizers banned Russia and Belarusian players over the invasion 63 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: of Ukraine. Now, Novak Djokovic has criticized that, calling it crazy. Yeah, 64 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: he said that the athletes are have nothing to do 65 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 1: with with politics, and I understand his feelings. He says 66 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 1: he lived through war in he's not immune from it 67 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 1: and immune from the feelings and the emotions of it. 68 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 1: But he says politics just cannot interfere with sports. It's 69 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 1: just not good. As he said, he's called it crazy. 70 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 1: The notion, of course, our athletes from when we were 71 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 1: not allowed to participate in the Summer Olympics per order 72 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 1: of President Jimmy Carter can sort of identify with with 73 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 1: some of these athletes. But it's a move that's been 74 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 1: made and the Paralympics, it's a move that's been made 75 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:17,479 Speaker 1: in Formula one. It was a move that was made 76 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:20,480 Speaker 1: in the Boston Marathon just a week ago, and this 77 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:23,600 Speaker 1: does not surprise anybody at all. By the way, that 78 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: means that the number two seed in tennis and men's 79 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 1: tennis dental, Medvedev will not be able to play. He 80 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: is from Russia. Uh, I get, I get where he's 81 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:42,919 Speaker 1: coming from. That you can't make sports and politics, but 82 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: this is this is such a delicate minefield is the 83 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:51,359 Speaker 1: best way I can describe it. And I'm not trying 84 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:54,599 Speaker 1: to be funny at all, because people are you know, 85 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 1: if you were our Ukrainian player and here across the 86 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:02,840 Speaker 1: court is a Russian player, I can't imagine what that 87 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 1: feeling would be like. No, absolutely not. I mean, you know, 88 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:07,599 Speaker 1: you come to the net and you gotta shake hands afterwards. 89 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 1: I mean, I you know, if you lose some family members. Uh, 90 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 1: it's it's it's outrageous. But this is the only way 91 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:16,599 Speaker 1: that the world will pay attention, by these prominent people, 92 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 1: by these prominent players, by these prominent teams not being 93 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 1: able to compete because of what's going on over in 94 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: Ukraine and Belarus, and Russian athletes are going to be 95 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: barred from many, many more international events. And by the way, 96 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 1: this is the first time that any players have been 97 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:36,559 Speaker 1: from any countries have been barren in Wimbledon since post 98 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:39,599 Speaker 1: World War Two, when German and Japanese athletes were not 99 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 1: allowed to compete. That's a long long time ago, by 100 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: the way. To give you a quote from Djokovic, he said, 101 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 1: I will never support war because as a child of war, 102 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: I know how much emotional trauma and inflix. And he 103 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: was talking about what was going on when he was 104 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: a kid. As you had mentioned, he grew up in 105 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 1: Belgrade during the wars that broke up the former Yugoslavia 106 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:07,359 Speaker 1: in the nineteen nineties. So I get that. But again 107 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:11,840 Speaker 1: he's saying he cannot support Wimbledon's decision, which brings us. 108 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: I mean, we've seen this many times before. We've seen countries, 109 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:21,160 Speaker 1: you know, being boycotted in the boycotting the Olympics. We've 110 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 1: seen it in eighty four, We've we've we've gone through 111 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 1: this many times, uh, nineteen eighty We've seen this also. 112 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 1: I mean I can go on and on and on. Yeah, 113 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:35,599 Speaker 1: I get it. Sports is supposed to transcend to everything, 114 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:39,920 Speaker 1: but it's we're a divided country right now, We're a 115 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 1: divided world. So I'm just please, folks, let's let's get 116 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: back Well, it's an international stage, it's an international event, 117 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 1: and it's getting international attention, probably more so than some 118 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:54,239 Speaker 1: other economic sanctions which have been levied against Russia and Belarus. 119 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 1: So Wimbledon committee felt that this was the appropriate way 120 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 1: to to get attention and to just say, you know, 121 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:05,480 Speaker 1: welcome here, period. Speaking of welcome here, and dude, what 122 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: are you doing. I don't know if you heard about 123 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 1: what happened the pregame demonstration involving parachuters at National Park. 124 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: It wound up causing a brief evacuation of the U. S. 125 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: Capitol And I shouldn't be laughing about it, but I 126 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 1: can't help it. Uh. It was what happened was a 127 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 1: plane actually carrying the members of the U. S Army 128 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: Golden Knights. They parachuted into Washington Nationals Baseball Stadium for 129 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 1: the pregame demonstration, but the U. S. Capitol police sent 130 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: congressional staffords fleeing from the Capitol and Legislative building. Uh. 131 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: And because I guess one didn't know what the other 132 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 1: hand was doing. And in fact, Lynchy, one witness of 133 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 1: the chaos at the Capitol was the wife of National 134 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 1: switcher Sean doolutle Yes she's the people were just scurrying 135 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 1: about her left and right, and she didn't know what 136 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: was going on. And people are saying go and get going, hurry, 137 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: hurry up. And apparently the pilot who was who had 138 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 1: the parachutists aboard. And it's a great show, by the way, 139 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: if you've ever seen at the Golden Knights. UM did 140 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: coordinate with Reagan National Airport, but apparently did not coordinate 141 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: with the f a A. And a lot of people 142 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 1: are looking for answers. This happened on Wednesday night. This 143 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 1: happened roughly around six thirty, was just before the ceremonial 144 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 1: first pitch. And you know, this could have been a 145 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: disastrous effect because the capital has surface to air missiles. 146 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:36,679 Speaker 1: It also has UH air fighter pilots are ready to 147 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 1: be scrambled in a moment's notice. None of that happened, fortunately, 148 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 1: and by eight o'clock order was restored and people were 149 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: allowed back into the Capitol building. And after all that, 150 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 1: the Nationals lost the game to the Diamondbacks eleven two. 151 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:53,559 Speaker 1: If they've done this before, though, haven't they? They parachuted 152 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 1: in International Stadium and sure they have, Yeah, they've done it. 153 00:08:56,280 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 1: Then when the Washington Command comment used to play at 154 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 1: RFK Stadium. They've had that in the past. It's just 155 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: a miscommunication. I think it is probably the best word 156 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 1: for it. Not all parties were informed and appraised of 157 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 1: what was going to be happening. So naturally, when the 158 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 1: radar screen shows someone flying into restricted airspace and just 159 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 1: circling and circling, someone has to act and react. No, 160 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 1: I can tell you now, I'll speaker Nancy Pelosi. She 161 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 1: was not happy about it at all. So listen. I 162 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: wish that that mix up didn't happen because it is 163 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: a nice show. But life will move on anyway. You've 164 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 1: heard the name Mike Tannenbaum because he was the general 165 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: manager of the New York Jets and the former Miami 166 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 1: Dolphins executive vice president of football Operations. And now he 167 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 1: is in the ESPN's front office insider and the co 168 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 1: founder of the thirty third team. You see, that's a 169 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 1: clever name. I like that. Mike. Thank you so much 170 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:01,680 Speaker 1: for joining us on the Blomberg Business of Sports. Thanks 171 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 1: so much for having me. Guys, how are you doing well? 172 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 1: And I gotta ask the first question because we got 173 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 1: an NFL draft coming up and I got a little 174 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:13,079 Speaker 1: money on it. I mean, I need to know and 175 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 1: do some research on it, and I need to ask, 176 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 1: who do you think is going to go first? Because 177 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:22,440 Speaker 1: I think the last time I check, the Jaguars have 178 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: the first pick. Yes, sir, I think it's gonna be 179 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:28,680 Speaker 1: Aidan Hutchinson, defensive end from the University of Michigan. He's 180 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 1: a really solid player. He may not be the elite 181 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 1: athlete that we've seen in some other recent drafts like 182 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 1: the Bossa Brothers, where certainly as someone like Myles Garrett, 183 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: but he's rock solid. He's a good pass rusher, he's 184 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 1: a great teammate, and I believe that's who they'll take. Hey, Mike, 185 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 1: it's Lynch. You up in Boston here. This draft has 186 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 1: really become just it's it's a show now it goes 187 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 1: from city to city in the National Football League. What 188 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 1: is the most important nugget of the draft is that 189 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 1: the film work, is that the combine, is that the interview, 190 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 1: is that the pro day and don't say all of 191 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 1: the above, all right, yes, sir. We've studied that question 192 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: for a long time and I'd say this, like it 193 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 1: sounds so basic, But if you just use your grades 194 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 1: that you had on when players finished the season, just 195 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 1: their pure football grade. More times than not, that's the 196 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 1: most accurate grade. Now what that said, You're gonna have 197 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 1: things like psychological testing, certainly the physical, other off field issues, 198 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 1: things like that their combine performance. Those things are certainly helpful, 199 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 1: but over a twenty year period when we did a study, 200 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: the most predictive singular piece of information is actually how 201 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:40,319 Speaker 1: they played. And when you have your first initial grade, 202 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 1: call it on December one, that typically seems to be 203 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 1: the most accurate. I like the way that and Lindsay 204 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 1: had mentioned that that they're the cities now are rotating 205 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 1: for the draft. Now next year's draft, and now this 206 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:53,839 Speaker 1: year's draft, by the way, is in Las Vegas. Next 207 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 1: year's draft will be Kansas City, Missouri, and it was 208 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:02,359 Speaker 1: just announced only a few weeks ago. The Motor City Detroit, 209 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 1: my hometown, will host draft. See. I want to go 210 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 1: just as a fan, but I know the moment that 211 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: I say, hey, I'm gonna go see the draft, everybody's 212 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:14,320 Speaker 1: gonna say, well, can you cover it for us? And 213 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 1: I'm thinking no, because I wanted to act stupid in 214 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 1: the crowd, like if all the other fans do, but 215 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 1: it can you comment on what it means when the 216 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: city's rotate and what it means for the economy when 217 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:31,440 Speaker 1: you have the NFL draft. Yeah, it's fascinating because for 218 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 1: years obviously I was in a draft room, but I 219 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 1: was there live in Nashville. I'll be live again. Tell 220 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 1: me up next week in Vegas for ESPN. It's fascinating. 221 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 1: It's it's really a differentiator. And here's one of their 222 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 1: cool idea that maybe we'll get to one day. I 223 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 1: don't know if you guys know this, but in the 224 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 1: sport of hockey, in the NHL, they actually have thirty 225 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 1: conference tables on the floor for the draft. So could 226 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 1: you imagine if we ever get to the point where 227 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 1: in Detroit, right smack in the middle of the stadium 228 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 1: or the arena, you have a conference table and there's 229 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: Bill Belichick, you know, five feet away from Andy Reid. 230 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 1: You talk about great theater, that would actually bring it 231 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 1: up to a whole another level. I would love to 232 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 1: see that, and that would be good that you need 233 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 1: to suggest that bring that in. Man, It's like, well, 234 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 1: we'll do our best to push that idea. Mike I 235 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 1: saw a Piccia wrote about the combine out in Indianapolis 236 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:27,840 Speaker 1: and how part of it is you get fifteen minutes 237 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 1: with with an athlete and you get to ask him 238 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: some questions. Uh, what are some of the standard questions? 239 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 1: What are some of the oddest questions? And can that 240 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: interview make a break your decision on draft draft pick? Yeah, 241 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 1: So if you a should go to the thirty third 242 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 1: team dot com right now or our YouTube channel. Marty 243 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 1: Morning with the long time offenseive coach at the NFL, 244 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 1: actually has an interview with Desmond Ritter, the quarterback prospect 245 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 1: from Cincinnati. So you can actually see it one playout, 246 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 1: but we actually have taken players off the board. I'll 247 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: be very specific over the years with quarterbacks in particular, 248 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 1: we would show some of their bad plays a sack 249 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 1: of turnover, an interception, and the offensive coordinator or a 250 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 1: quarterback coach would say, hey, you know why this happen. 251 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 1: And we've heard prospects say well, it was a bad call, 252 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: or the receiver ran the wrong route, or the offensive 253 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 1: lineman made a mistake, and you know, the old coach 254 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 1: parcels expression guys like quarterbacks like you want battlefield commanders. 255 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 1: As someone is blaming others in college and you give 256 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 1: them more money in pro football, typically they're not gonna 257 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: be the leaders you want to have, So it definitely 258 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: is a factor in making your decisions. One thing about 259 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 1: football and the thing about the draft. I am assuming 260 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 1: when you were in the front office for the Dolphins 261 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 1: and for the Jets that it was a tense time 262 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 1: for you when it was draft season coming up. Oh yeah, 263 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 1: And you know what's interesting about that is the draft 264 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 1: starts in May, so literally there's like an eleven month 265 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 1: sort of process to it. But it is a definitely 266 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 1: an opportunity when there's a lot of pressure on. But 267 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 1: if you fall back on your preparation by the time 268 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 1: you get to next week, hey really should have been 269 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 1: in the barn a while ago. And again sort of 270 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 1: going into the question earlier, which is like there is 271 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 1: some recency bias too, which is like do you weigh 272 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 1: more recent information more than you should because again, it's 273 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 1: really an eleven month sort of process. Mike talked to 274 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 1: me a little bit more about this thirty third team, 275 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 1: uh quote the Premier Football think tank. How did you 276 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 1: come up with it? Tell us a little bit about it, 277 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: and that I obviously see there's some some great results 278 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 1: so far. So when I was fortunate enough to get 279 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 1: hired by espn UM, I hired a couple of students 280 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 1: from the University Massachusetts supports Spanagement program. It went so 281 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 1: well that we just kind of combined head coaches and 282 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 1: gms between opportunities. So initially was Great Sciano, Jim Calwell, 283 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 1: and we just basically take great students from best schools 284 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 1: in the country UM and let them get some really 285 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 1: meaningful experience working with coaches now like Dan Quinn or 286 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 1: Brian Schottenheimer. So the coaches get support while they were 287 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 1: between opportunities, students get much needed experience, and probably we 288 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 1: placed fourteen men and women in the NFL over eighteen months, 289 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 1: and we just put our content out for free for 290 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 1: people to enjoy. So so if you're a college student 291 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 1: and you're interested in management NFL management, you just sort 292 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 1: of apply and you guys sort of just you take 293 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 1: them on and then expose them to teams. Yeah, so basically, 294 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 1: if you're interested, just go to our site. There's a 295 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 1: way to contact us, and then we really try to 296 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 1: match you with a coach. So coaches go from having 297 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 1: the resources of an NFL team or a major Division 298 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 1: one team to being out on their own, so they 299 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 1: actually need the resources of some research and another pair 300 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 1: of hands. So we actually matched the student with the coach, 301 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 1: and then the coach typically will want to put content 302 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: on our platform because other teams read our our stuff, 303 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 1: so it's almost like a free interview for the coach. 304 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 1: And again all our content is completely free. And then, 305 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 1: like I said, the students become much more marketable because 306 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: they have experience with a Doug Peterson or Dan Quinn. 307 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 1: I want to ask you now about just the state 308 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 1: of the NFL in general, where do you see it 309 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:08,199 Speaker 1: today and if there are any improvements that are needed, 310 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:12,639 Speaker 1: what needs to be done well, certainly with diversity, uh, 311 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:15,360 Speaker 1: in terms of hiring, you know, and I've been fortunate 312 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:18,359 Speaker 1: to be on the faculty at Columbia University in their 313 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 1: sports management program, and our students over the last couple 314 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 1: of years came up with an idea that I think 315 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:26,360 Speaker 1: is very uh realistic and meaningful, which is the Rooty Rule. 316 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 1: Is incredibly well intentioned, it just hasn't been effected by 317 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 1: any standard. And I think if more time and effort 318 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:37,159 Speaker 1: and energy was put into the entry level positions, the internships, 319 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 1: the quality control positions in a in a meaningful way 320 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 1: over time as diverse candidates and employees be it racial 321 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:48,680 Speaker 1: or gender, work their way up the ranks and get 322 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 1: meaningful experience in theory over time, like this problem should 323 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 1: resolve itself. And I think, well, again, we're looking at 324 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: putting a band aid on at the head coaching hiring 325 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 1: higher level. I think that's something that in a meaningful 326 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:05,399 Speaker 1: way the NFL can make progress. Now it wouldn't be 327 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 1: like in terms of like publicity and certainly like you know, 328 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 1: people aren't tracking internship sort of like candidacy or entry 329 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 1: level jobs. But if there was much more of an 330 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 1: emphasis on diversity at that level, you look at the 331 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 1: numbers that it should be impactful over time. So you're 332 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 1: saying the the infusion should be from the grassroots level 333 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 1: rather than feeding from the top, right, no question about it. 334 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 1: I think at the top there's definitely ways it could 335 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:33,400 Speaker 1: be better and should be better, you know, by any 336 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 1: you know, objective indices. It just hasn't worked. But I 337 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 1: think you could really look at it long term. Mic 338 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 1: again by looking at so I said, the entry level, 339 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:45,159 Speaker 1: grassroots level um and candidly like I've seen it, you 340 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 1: know a little bit at the thirty third team. You know, 341 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:50,920 Speaker 1: proudly we had a University of Massachusetts softball player who 342 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 1: did a lot of research for one of our coaches. 343 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:55,399 Speaker 1: She got hired and now is full time in the 344 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 1: New York Yet College guying department. And that was a 345 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 1: great win for her. Eight one for us, great one 346 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 1: for the Jets. But it's just an example of again 347 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:07,159 Speaker 1: more of an emphasis um starting at the bottom. I 348 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 1: want to ask you about it. It's a wild offseason 349 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 1: so far, got quarterbacks going here getting paid there. Uh, 350 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 1: Tom Brady and retired Tom Brady. No, wait a minute, 351 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:22,400 Speaker 1: I'm out retired. And it's which I'm glad to see 352 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 1: because I think he is the goat. Yes, Lynchy, I 353 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 1: said it, He's the goat. I have to say it. 354 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:31,679 Speaker 1: You know, I make it own record. This is I 355 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 1: can't even it's the crazy season upon the crazy season, 356 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:37,959 Speaker 1: it is, uh, you know, just starting with Tom. You know, 357 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 1: he's earned the right to change his mind. And I 358 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 1: know there's a lot of conspiracy theorists out there and 359 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 1: things like that, but I actually think Tampa Bay got better. 360 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 1: I like Bruce Arians. I think he's a good coach. 361 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:50,160 Speaker 1: I love Todd Bowles. I worked with Todd a long 362 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 1: time ago. I think he's extremely relatable. I think he's 363 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 1: gonna hold the players accountable. I think the style of 364 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 1: coach Bowls is much more akin to Bill Belichick. Now, look, 365 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:01,399 Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's Bill Belichick, but I think Tom 366 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:05,119 Speaker 1: is gonna enjoy that environment. Um. I think they have 367 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 1: a real meaningful chance to go all the way this year. 368 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:10,879 Speaker 1: Al Right, my Colin Kaepernick will he ever get a 369 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:14,439 Speaker 1: shot in the National Football League again? Well, you know 370 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 1: his windows now if it's going to happen, and you know, 371 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 1: he came out recently said he'd be happy to be 372 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 1: a backup. And you know, there's not enough quarterbacks on 373 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:23,879 Speaker 1: the planet. So you know, you look at teams like 374 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,439 Speaker 1: Seattle Carolina, you know, if they were going to bring 375 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:29,159 Speaker 1: in another quarterback to compete, you know, I think this 376 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:31,119 Speaker 1: would be sort of like his window if it's going 377 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 1: to happen. Where do you see uh A lot of 378 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 1: the players and I want I want to slip off briefly, 379 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:44,880 Speaker 1: college players uh coming into the league and college players 380 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 1: playing college ball with n i L rules, where all 381 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 1: of a sudden, players are realizing oh wait, I gotta 382 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 1: pay taxes on this. We just got through with the 383 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:58,880 Speaker 1: tax deadline. Uh. Do you think an I L name, 384 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:01,120 Speaker 1: image and likeness do you think gets hurt the game 385 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 1: or help the game? Well, I think it's an appropriate 386 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:08,399 Speaker 1: going back years, you know it always the context was 387 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 1: free education and and you don't get paid. And obviously 388 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 1: things have changed just given the substantial amount of money 389 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:18,199 Speaker 1: some players can earn, not most, but some. And I 390 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 1: heard Nick Saban say something interesting the other day that 391 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 1: was very contextual, which was since he's been at the 392 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: University of Alabama, his players have earned one point seven 393 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: billion dollars in the NFL. So when you talk about 394 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:34,919 Speaker 1: the major Division one, NBA NFL prospects, they should be 395 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:38,479 Speaker 1: thinking about not an I L, but NFL or NBA. 396 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:41,160 Speaker 1: And I think for some of these other players, sure 397 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 1: they're gonna make some dollars, but I don't think once 398 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:46,400 Speaker 1: the market sells down, guys, I don't think we're talking 399 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 1: about hugely consequential dollars for the majority of the student athlete. Now, 400 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:55,160 Speaker 1: hopefully they can put a couple of dollars in their pocket. 401 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:57,879 Speaker 1: But I think once things kind of get into a 402 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 1: rhythm and a routine. Here, it'll be some money available 403 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,200 Speaker 1: and some college Athley's will make some money, but I 404 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 1: don't think it will be all that meaningful. Mike, you 405 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 1: worked for the Dolphins in this offseason. They traded Davante 406 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:14,200 Speaker 1: Parker to a divisional rival of the Patriots, and everybody 407 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 1: up here in New England scratching their heads. We could 408 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 1: never see the reverse happening, although it has happened, you know, 409 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 1: in the past. How much how do you him and 410 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:26,399 Speaker 1: Hobb before you trade an impact player like that to 411 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 1: a divisional arrival. Yeah, and just to take you guys inside, 412 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 1: once you made a draft day trade with Coach Belichick, 413 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:34,879 Speaker 1: actually one that worked out. We were will get a 414 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 1: returner and Keem Grant and it was a low round 415 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:41,399 Speaker 1: like swapping and picks. But knowing how smart Coach Belichick is, 416 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,200 Speaker 1: how much respect I have from I was like, guys, 417 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 1: let's let's let's double check the bath here, you know, like, 418 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 1: like you know, you realize we're done with somebody really 419 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 1: smart on the other end of this call. So I 420 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 1: think it's one of those situations where clearly New England 421 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:57,679 Speaker 1: probably offered Mike way more than anybody else because Davante Parker. 422 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:00,159 Speaker 1: I was there when we drafted him. He's a really 423 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 1: good player when he's healthy. Like his bugaboo has been endurance. 424 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:05,440 Speaker 1: But if he's healthy, New England got a really good 425 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:11,920 Speaker 1: football player. Well, let's go back way back to when 426 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 1: you began your NFL career as an intern for the 427 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: New Orleans Saints. What was that like At that time? 428 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 1: I was just trying to steal a free slice of 429 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:25,679 Speaker 1: pizza from coach Moura when he wasn't looking, So I 430 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 1: was like the definition. I grew up Anita Mass I 431 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 1: watched Channel five growing up. There some guy named Mike 432 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 1: Lynch that you know. I idolized into the cdp um 433 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 1: and really, like my true passion came from being a 434 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 1: diehard Celtic fan growing up and watching Red Ara back 435 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 1: and um. I just had the stream of working in sports. 436 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:44,639 Speaker 1: I went to tu Lane Law School. They had a 437 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 1: program for sports law. I was in the right place 438 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 1: at the right time. It's when the salary cap first 439 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,639 Speaker 1: came in. I wrote a book of like how to 440 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 1: maximize your ability um under the cap if you were 441 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:59,159 Speaker 1: a team. Coach Belichick hired me in Cleveland, but my 442 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,400 Speaker 1: first year working for the Saints literally did everything, drive 443 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:07,120 Speaker 1: people to the airport, research contracts, held dummies at practice 444 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,439 Speaker 1: like those days it was much smaller staff, so you 445 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,159 Speaker 1: did what it was ever asked of you. You know, 446 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,160 Speaker 1: even I think you have the perfect job for for 447 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,400 Speaker 1: what you've been in what you do right now. I mean, 448 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 1: you've been a general manager. You have done everything in 449 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 1: the National Football League except player coach. And are you 450 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:25,919 Speaker 1: really comfortable with this role you have right now? The 451 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:30,360 Speaker 1: ESPNS Insider and this thirty three UH team. You're everywhere 452 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:34,680 Speaker 1: and you never failed to fascinate me and inform me. Well. 453 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 1: I really appreciate that, and and that certainly means so 454 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 1: much coming from you, Mike, and everything you've accomplished in 455 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,160 Speaker 1: your career. You know, for me, I want to be 456 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:45,200 Speaker 1: challenged and certainly working with the great people at ESPN, 457 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,399 Speaker 1: I feel that way every day, and I feel like 458 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 1: I do have to bring value and bring people behind 459 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 1: the curtains. And you know, the thirty third team is 460 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,920 Speaker 1: really just something that started back when I became the 461 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 1: GM where my parents and I started a scholarship going 462 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:00,040 Speaker 1: back to two thousand six, where we just want to 463 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 1: give students some money if they could get their foot 464 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 1: in the door with an unpaid internships. So I've been 465 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 1: very fortunate and I like to help others get to 466 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:10,679 Speaker 1: where they want to go. And I'm still involved in 467 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 1: a meaningful way. And and for me that that was 468 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:14,399 Speaker 1: the most important thing. That I feel like I have 469 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 1: a long way to go in my career and I 470 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 1: want to get up every day and be challenged and 471 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:21,120 Speaker 1: get better and still compete. It's just competing differently now, 472 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 1: but it's still fulfilling. Speaking of helping people, you you 473 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 1: try to help to get young people and get their 474 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:31,439 Speaker 1: start in sports, and whether it's on the field, on 475 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,159 Speaker 1: the court, or whether it's in the front office, you 476 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 1: do all of that. Yeah, and that's because Bill Parcels 477 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 1: and Bill Belichick hired me when I really didn't deserve it, 478 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 1: and they gave me enormous responsibilities and enormous opportunity. They 479 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 1: barely knew me, and I just felt like if I 480 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:50,880 Speaker 1: could ever get to where I want to go one day, 481 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 1: like I'm gonna pay it forward. And uh, I just 482 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 1: believe in choose the job you love, you'll never work 483 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,160 Speaker 1: a day in your life. And um, I just want 484 00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 1: to help others in some small way. If we can 485 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 1: help others do that. That would be terrific. I'm with 486 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 1: you a thousand percent. I have no idea why Channel 487 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 1: five hired me. I would not have hired me. You 488 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,639 Speaker 1: had that handsome look, man. I've seen those big years 489 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:13,479 Speaker 1: man in our stations and need him. Where Mike went 490 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 1: to high school? Is I need hi high school? Rocket? Um? 491 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,200 Speaker 1: That's right right, put you put your GM head on again. 492 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,160 Speaker 1: So um, I'm looking at like, like all right, Tyreek Hill, 493 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:26,720 Speaker 1: the most explosive receiver in football. Obviously, Kansas City got 494 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 1: to the point where they said, we're not gonna be 495 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 1: able to sign him, We're gonna trade him away, and 496 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,959 Speaker 1: they've got some great draft picks. When do you know, 497 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 1: let's roll the dice this season. Maybe we can come 498 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 1: to a deal at the end of the season. And 499 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 1: I say, that's it. We gotta unload him. Now, that's 500 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 1: a tough one. He's a great player, and we're gonta 501 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 1: give Miami a ton of credit to get a player 502 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 1: like him. What's so hard, guys, is this And I 503 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,680 Speaker 1: think this is really the true definition of greatness, which 504 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 1: is Patrick Mahomes can never leave. Right. So if Patrick 505 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 1: Mahomes wants sixty five whatever, the number he wants, he gets, 506 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 1: and now it's just a function of a we can't 507 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 1: keep them all and there's gonna probably be six receivers 508 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 1: drafted a week from tonight that are really really good 509 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 1: football players. So now it's really an allocation discussion, which 510 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 1: is Tyreek Hill is a great player, but do we 511 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:14,719 Speaker 1: want to pay him thirty million or can we go 512 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 1: get another receiver who maybe Tyreek Hill only cost ten 513 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,359 Speaker 1: cents on the dollar. And that's really the discussions you 514 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 1: have to have. And these are great problems to have 515 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:29,640 Speaker 1: because Patrick Mahomes is not going anywhere. The NFL always, well, 516 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 1: the NFL is going to be king of all the 517 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:36,879 Speaker 1: four major food groups in sports, and it's it's always 518 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 1: up there. So that brings competition in football from other leagues. 519 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,959 Speaker 1: I mean, the USFL has started up again, and it's 520 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 1: it's competition in football. Let me let me ask him 521 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:52,640 Speaker 1: a two part question. Do you see the USFL as 522 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 1: competition against the NFL? And does a secondary league help 523 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,479 Speaker 1: the general? Yeah, I'm so glad you brought that up. 524 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:06,159 Speaker 1: I think it actually helps the NFL and the sport 525 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 1: for a number of reasons. When we talked about the 526 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:11,359 Speaker 1: Rooney rule right, and and Mike talked about being hired 527 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 1: you know, at child five with you know, maybe not 528 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,200 Speaker 1: the experience he should have, and I certainly felt that way. 529 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:20,119 Speaker 1: This gives people meaningful experience, you know, play callers, let 530 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 1: them go make mistakes. At the USFL level, where we 531 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,800 Speaker 1: lost the NFL, You're we lost the really the ability 532 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,399 Speaker 1: to develop people. And what I mean by that video 533 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:32,880 Speaker 1: people trainers, doctors, play callers. So not only is a players, 534 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 1: but for the sport itself, I think it's tremendous and 535 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 1: people will leave with more experience. And again just going 536 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 1: back to the thirty third team for second guys, I've 537 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 1: seen students come in with a hope and a dream, 538 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 1: write a research report for Doug Peterson on his play calling, 539 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 1: and now we're sudden there they're looked at more credibly 540 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 1: because they have something on their resume. And I think 541 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 1: be at the XFL the USFL, I think that there 542 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 1: will be commercial appeal because of the time of the 543 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 1: year and fundamentally for the where people will get meaningful experience. 544 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 1: Mike Brian Flores, well his suit have any long term 545 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 1: effect on the National Football League, That's a great question. Um, 546 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 1: I think it depends on what comes out from a 547 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 1: discovery standpoint. I mean, the potential is certainly there. You know. 548 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 1: Obviously I'm glad that coach Flores was able to continuous 549 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 1: career with um Pittsburgh, and you know, we'll see what happens. 550 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 1: I think really the facts of that case will sort 551 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 1: of dictate things. Well, one thing about the league today 552 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 1: is that safety has definitely improved back in the day. 553 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:36,160 Speaker 1: You know, we went from leather helmets to the hard 554 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 1: plastic helmets to the high tech helmets. And we've also 555 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 1: learned that, look, you can't lead with your head when 556 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 1: you're going in for a tackle, because yes, you're gonna 557 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 1: have CTE if you keep doing that. That's something that 558 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 1: the league learned after many years. What is it going 559 00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 1: to take as we continue on for the league to 560 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 1: see more improvements in safety for its players. You know, 561 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 1: I have a lot of respect and admiration for Roger Goodell. 562 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 1: I think he's done a good job in this area 563 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 1: as a thought leader because what the NFL does will 564 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,480 Speaker 1: permeate to college, high school, youth football, and I think 565 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 1: it's gonna be technology. And I've been in the meetings 566 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 1: with Roger where he's talking about being open minded where 567 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 1: we can still have the greatest sport in the world 568 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,120 Speaker 1: and be you know, even safer. So I think there's 569 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 1: more more work to be done, but I think he's 570 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 1: done a really good job, and I think a lot 571 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 1: of this will be a technology driven discussion, Mike out 572 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 1: in Cleveland. Um, they went all in for Deshaun Watson 573 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 1: with this mega contract, a guy that, you know, to 574 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 1: use a lack of a better word, a little bit radioactive. 575 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,400 Speaker 1: Right now you're sitting in that room. How many different 576 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 1: opinions are coming and who makes the final call on 577 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 1: this here's a great question. Um. Ultimately it's ownership, Mike, 578 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 1: because like you said, it's a decision that everybody has 579 00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 1: an opinion about. Let me ask you about your personal experience. 580 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 1: I mean, we talked about when you first started in 581 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 1: the league, when you were in the front offices for 582 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 1: the Jets and the Dolphins. What was the greatest moment 583 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 1: that you can tell us about that really made the experience? Like, wow, 584 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 1: I'm here. Yeah, Actually I could answer that question very succinctly. Um. 585 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 1: One of my heroes was a generman named ron Wolf 586 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:32,640 Speaker 1: who all same GM and we U went to the playoffs. 587 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,360 Speaker 1: My first year as general manager. Eric man Jane was 588 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:37,640 Speaker 1: our head coach, and I can tell you exactly where 589 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 1: I was. I was driving home and I got a 590 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,479 Speaker 1: call from him. He said, Hey, you just did an 591 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 1: unbelievable job. Mike. You're thirty six years old, You're the 592 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,600 Speaker 1: GM of the Jets. You got to the playoffs and 593 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:51,480 Speaker 1: year one with the rookie head coach. Nobody understands how 594 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:53,719 Speaker 1: hard these jobs are. But I want you to know 595 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 1: that you've earned my respect and I think you're really 596 00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 1: really good at what you do. And you know, beyond 597 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,240 Speaker 1: like your family and things like that, when you know 598 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 1: one of the people like you greatly admire calls you 599 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 1: to tell you that, like that was probably like a 600 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 1: moment I'll never forget. And you were an architect of 601 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 1: the Jets team. I mean you do you help with 602 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 1: a lot of stuff on that team that that took 603 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 1: the Jets to the a f C Championship games. Yeah. 604 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 1: I worked with a lot of great people. It was 605 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 1: a great effort. I had a couple of great head 606 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 1: coaches and partners and Eric Manginie and Rex Ryan and 607 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 1: uh we were able to get when our fair share 608 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,040 Speaker 1: of games didn't win a Super Bowl, but I learned 609 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 1: a ton of have fun and it was a great, 610 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 1: great ride. Mike has been a fascinating conversation. I want 611 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 1: to thank you so much. Please say hi to your 612 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 1: mom and dad for me, and uh continue with all 613 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 1: the great stuff. I'm a huge fan. Well, thanks so much. 614 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:47,960 Speaker 1: I feel the same way. Greatly appreciate you guys. Outing 615 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,040 Speaker 1: me have a great day. Mike. I'm like you where 616 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,720 Speaker 1: I worked with Lynchi and I think it's like how 617 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 1: did I get And I really mean this, It's like, 618 00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 1: how did I get lucky enough to work with this guy? 619 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 1: I mean he's been in the business forty years alone 620 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,280 Speaker 1: in television, But I mean, my how did I get 621 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 1: to this point where I get to hang with this dude? 622 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,440 Speaker 1: And and Mike Tannenbaum. I agree with you ten percent. 623 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 1: Thank you, sir. Thanks. I really appreciate it. What does 624 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 1: ourselves call it? I'm just a jack, right, That's who 625 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:24,480 Speaker 1: I am. You're you're the original jack right? Just another guy? 626 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,959 Speaker 1: All right? Mike? Thanks? Okay, thanks so much, guys. Thank you, 627 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 1: Mike Tannenbaum. I am obviously I was impressed when they said, 628 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,840 Speaker 1: you know, hey, we're gonna interview Mike Tannenbaum. I'm like, oh, okay, 629 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:41,080 Speaker 1: and you know it, I want to talk about his 630 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,680 Speaker 1: thirty third team. I mean, you talk about just a 631 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:48,240 Speaker 1: football think tank, and you've got a lot of minds 632 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:51,680 Speaker 1: involved in that and a lot of experience in that 633 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 1: think tank. I hope he does well, and I hope 634 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 1: that that continues to to transcend all over the sport 635 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:03,720 Speaker 1: and people appreciate when you have the knowledge of being 636 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:05,760 Speaker 1: in the front office or on the field or whatever, 637 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:10,239 Speaker 1: that it is appreciated. Lynching, you know, he's a guy 638 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 1: who's never forgotten his roots. He went to Needham High School, 639 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 1: which is a stone's throw from where I worked for 640 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,680 Speaker 1: forty years at w CVB, and then he went to 641 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 1: the University of Massachusetts to the Eisenberg School of Sports Management. 642 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,400 Speaker 1: And then he told the story about how how he 643 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,440 Speaker 1: got hired by in New Orleans Saints because he was 644 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,760 Speaker 1: just looking for a piece of free pizza and uh, 645 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,520 Speaker 1: but he had done his homework and he knows that everybody, 646 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:36,960 Speaker 1: and no matter what profession they're in, they just need 647 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:38,920 Speaker 1: someone to give him a chance. You know, it's like 648 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,520 Speaker 1: trying to get on I can get on an interstate highway. 649 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:43,080 Speaker 1: You're coming up the ramp and you know, you're sort 650 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:44,840 Speaker 1: of just in the breakdown lane and nobody lets you 651 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,240 Speaker 1: in that first lane. Just let me on this highway 652 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,680 Speaker 1: and I can show my stuff. Well, someone gave him 653 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,439 Speaker 1: that opportunity. And I think this thirty third team, all 654 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,239 Speaker 1: the people that he has placed in National Football League 655 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,959 Speaker 1: teams with full time jobs right now. You know, Mike 656 00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,920 Speaker 1: and his his parents, who are great people who you know, 657 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,760 Speaker 1: form this little scholarship to well to give people opportunities. 658 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:06,719 Speaker 1: And he's great. I mean, he's a great guest to have. 659 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,360 Speaker 1: He's a smart guy. He explains things in simple terms, 660 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,040 Speaker 1: and he doesn't give you, like, you know, five minute 661 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 1: answers to a question that should be answered in about 662 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:17,960 Speaker 1: forty five seconds. And you're and you're exactly right. I mean, 663 00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,720 Speaker 1: somebody gave him a chance. Somebody gave you a chance, 664 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:24,040 Speaker 1: somebody gave me a chance. And you're I mean, I 665 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:26,400 Speaker 1: I think about it. It's like, now, how in the 666 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:30,600 Speaker 1: world did I get to this point? And I really, 667 00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,000 Speaker 1: I mean I grew up in Detroit it as everybody knows. 668 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,440 Speaker 1: And at the time, as a team, I'm like, there's 669 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,439 Speaker 1: no way in forgive me for putting it this way 670 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,640 Speaker 1: in West Hell, I'm gonna end up in New York 671 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:47,560 Speaker 1: City in Manhattan doing this and and working for Bloomberg. 672 00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,000 Speaker 1: There was no way in the world I saw that 673 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,640 Speaker 1: coming down the road, and neither did I. I'm I'm 674 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:54,840 Speaker 1: honored to be working with the great Michael Barr and 675 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,759 Speaker 1: Scarlett Foo and all the great people at at at Bloomberg, 676 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,080 Speaker 1: and and to have guests like this every time. And 677 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:04,080 Speaker 1: you know, he's just so fascinating. He talks about the 678 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,160 Speaker 1: interview they do with the players at the Combine Indianapolis, 679 00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,680 Speaker 1: and how some players, especially quarterbacks, can talk themselves out 680 00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,640 Speaker 1: of being drafted because they're always blaming somebody else for 681 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,640 Speaker 1: things that went wrong. You're very kind, but let's see now, 682 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:23,200 Speaker 1: how well are you gonna think that I'm kind? It 683 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:27,160 Speaker 1: is time for the number of the week now, because 684 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:33,040 Speaker 1: Scarlett isn't here, You're already on stage. So here's the question. 685 00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,200 Speaker 1: And this kind of ties in also to another story 686 00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,440 Speaker 1: that has happened. Jay Wright, Hall of fame Villanova basketball coach. 687 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:45,160 Speaker 1: He suddenly retired and he had twenty one seasons at Villanova. 688 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:49,839 Speaker 1: What I want is what was his record? Now? Here 689 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:55,160 Speaker 1: are the rules? You can't go over. I have been 690 00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:59,960 Speaker 1: number just at Villanova or coached think this is doing Yeah, 691 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:01,439 Speaker 1: you know what, I'll give you that. This is during 692 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:06,080 Speaker 1: his career at Hofstra and Villanova, where he had coach 693 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:11,840 Speaker 1: since two thousand one. Do Do Do Do Do Do 694 00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:21,680 Speaker 1: Do Do Do do twenty one years times. I'm gonna 695 00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:29,920 Speaker 1: go um, okay for the winds and for the losses. 696 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,359 Speaker 1: I know his percentage is about seventies, so let's say 697 00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:39,879 Speaker 1: let's put him like under three hundred uh to seventy. Wow, 698 00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:48,840 Speaker 1: you're a calculatory sixty two and two eight two. That's good. 699 00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,680 Speaker 1: And you and you were within the rules. Man, you 700 00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:57,680 Speaker 1: didn't go over? Wow? Yeah, buddy, man, no forget coming 701 00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,239 Speaker 1: on down. You're on stage. You've already won in the 702 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,600 Speaker 1: amount of radar range. Wow, Lynch, that was good that. 703 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:07,000 Speaker 1: I'm impressed. I know I couldn't do it, man, I would. 704 00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,719 Speaker 1: That's why I'm writing these questions up. If I tried 705 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:14,240 Speaker 1: to play the game. And let's see a thousand twelve 706 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:21,240 Speaker 1: two well in all in all series? Is Jay right? Um? 707 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,920 Speaker 1: You you were just win whale of a coach. I'm 708 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:29,120 Speaker 1: sorry to see you leave the game retiring like this. Um, 709 00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,759 Speaker 1: because I think you brought a lot to Villanova and 710 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:36,080 Speaker 1: a lot to your career. So may you have good 711 00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:39,960 Speaker 1: success down the road and go and enjoy some life. Yeah, 712 00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:43,080 Speaker 1: I love the guy. Loved the program and um two 713 00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:48,160 Speaker 1: national titles and for all intensive purposes, a clean program. 714 00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:52,240 Speaker 1: This has man the Bloomberg Business of Sports show, and 715 00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,480 Speaker 1: we talked to some of the biggest names in the 716 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:56,880 Speaker 1: world of sports. I'm Michael Barr. You can follow me 717 00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,399 Speaker 1: on Twitter at Big Bar Sports. And I'm Mike Lynch. 718 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,399 Speaker 1: You can follow me Lynch e w CDB. Scarlett will 719 00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,080 Speaker 1: be back next week. Don't forget to catch our podcast 720 00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:08,680 Speaker 1: that's Monday's, Wednesdays and Thursdays on all your podcast platforms 721 00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,560 Speaker 1: and right here on Bloomberg Business of Sports from Bloomberg Radio.