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Speaker 1: the Tuesday Morning Podcast, usually a Monday Morning podcast. But

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Speaker 1: I had a harrowing travel experience. I'll have a former

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Speaker 1: nbair for seventeen years, Eddie Johnson, now the play by

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Speaker 1: play guy for the Phoenix Suns. Gracious, great guy, very

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Speaker 1: experienced to talk about the NBA Finals. But I gotta

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Speaker 1: tell you, you know you want to hear about the story?

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Speaker 1: Do you raise your hands? Okay? So my daughter about

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Speaker 1: six months ago said Dad, I don't have a lot

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Speaker 1: of time off this summer. I'm taking a summer class

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Speaker 1: some stuff planned. She said, can we find three or

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Speaker 1: four days to go to a place I always wanted

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Speaker 1: to go to? And I said sure, Olivia, where do

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Speaker 1: you want to go? She goes Jackson and I Jackson's

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Speaker 1: my son, he's fifteen, Olivia's twenty. And they said Jackson Hole, Wyoming.

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Speaker 1: It's a ski town, very nice, beautiful state, sparsely populated.

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Speaker 1: Biggest town near Jackson Hole, Wyoming is Jackson, Wyoming, and

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Speaker 1: it's tiny, kind of a cowboy town. Fun though, So

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Speaker 1: we booked the flight and we have an amazing time.

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Speaker 1: By the way, if you ever go to Jackson Hole, Wyoming,

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Speaker 1: I strongly encourage you stay in Teton Village. You could

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Speaker 1: stay in Jackson that's awesome. Teton Village is picturesque. And

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Speaker 1: the hotel I stayed at had an astronomer, the only

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Speaker 1: astronomer in this hotel chain's business, that was as much

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Speaker 1: fun as I've ever had with my kids. His name

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Speaker 1: was Ryan Hennessy. Look him up, astronomer in Jackson Hole, Wyoming.

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Speaker 1: We go up the mountain at ten o'clock at night

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Speaker 1: great fun. So then we're gonna leave. So it is Sunday,

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Speaker 1: the Bucks to win, trailing OZ two, go back home,

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Speaker 1: get the whistle, win the game, which they did. So

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Speaker 1: the flight's supposed to leave it too, which is in

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Speaker 1: Wyoming one o'clock Los Angeles time. All right, it's the

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Speaker 1: not an elitist. So then they board us about two hours,

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Speaker 1: And after being on the plane about twenty minutes, the

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Speaker 1: from me, mister regular guy. I'm like, whatever, look at

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Speaker 1: get off the plane. We wait another hour. But the

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Speaker 1: crew it's a small plane, and you know a little

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Speaker 1: inside information on the aviation industry when you get cross

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Speaker 1: country flights, you know Boston to LA, you know New

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Speaker 1: we're on the plane for about a half hour. Not

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Speaker 1: anybody's life or employment. So people literally are just they

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Speaker 1: I kept thinking of myself, the headline is going to

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Speaker 1: That's my travel story. With that, we bring on Eddie Johnson.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember Eddie playing. I'm in

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Speaker 1: of them for the Phoenix Suns. He's been a sixth

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Speaker 1: Man of the Year. You last seventeen years in this league.

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Speaker 1: And in my life, Eddie, I've been traveling thirty years.

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Speaker 1: it doesn't happen, Eddie, that's not the league though. It's

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Speaker 1: If Chris Paul demanded a four year deal, I'm not

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Speaker 1: guy that can beat you up, play a role, that

425
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 1: kind of guy, and then that's what they're gonna need,

426
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be tough if they got to pay

427
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:45,439
Speaker 1: out a lot of money and not be able to

428
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,359
Speaker 1: go get a guy like that. Okay, So, Eddie, I

429
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 1: want to talk because I love I grew up on

430
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,879
Speaker 1: the NBA. I go back to Elmore Smith Center of

431
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:55,919
Speaker 1: the Lakers. That's when I started cutting out stuff and

432
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 1: putting it on my board in my bed. But I

433
00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,680
Speaker 1: love the NBA since seventy two in wealth, right, So

434
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:02,879
Speaker 1: I want to ask you some old time NBA stories

435
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 1: because I'm totally into this. All right, let's start with this.

436
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 1: You played at Illinois and you upset Magic Johnson when

437
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 1: he was at Michigan State. So tell me a story.

438
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:17,680
Speaker 1: Did you know back then he was skinny Magic? Did you?

439
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 1: And back then he couldn't defend me. He was not

440
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:24,159
Speaker 1: a very good defender in my opinion. Go back to

441
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,640
Speaker 1: the first time you saw Magic. What the hell did

442
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,160
Speaker 1: you make of a six eight and a half point guard, Eddie?

443
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 1: First time you saw him from at Illinois when he

444
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 1: was at Michigan State. Well, Colin, I actually knew Magic

445
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 1: at high school, and I got a story for you.

446
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 1: He and I were playing in the Albert Schweitzer Games.

447
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 1: We had just finished the McDonald's Classic High School All

448
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 1: America Game, and we went over to Germany and participated

449
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 1: in this event. And we had an American coach who

450
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:57,719
Speaker 1: lived over in Germany, and so when we started to play,

451
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 1: Magic would get the rebound. He dribbled up to make passes,

452
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 1: but he hitting people in the head. You know, they're

453
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,359
Speaker 1: not catching it and all of that. So this coach

454
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,439
Speaker 1: calls the time out and he takes Magic out of

455
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 1: the game and he says to him, look, you're the

456
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 1: tallest guy on this team. You know, we had a

457
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 1: guy named Pete Bucker on our team. I think he's

458
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 1: about the tallest Magic. But he was like, you're the

459
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 1: tallest guy. We got a guard. We got Darnel Valentine here.

460
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 1: You know Tommy, I remember Darnell. Yeah, we got Tommy Baker.

461
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,479
Speaker 1: Let them bring the ball up. And I remember sitting

462
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 1: next to Magic and he was literally almost in tears.

463
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 1: I mean I was, and I knew what he could

464
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,680
Speaker 1: do because I saw what he did for a week

465
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 1: at the McDonald's Laying Classic with Albert King and all

466
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 1: these great players there. He just destroyed them all and

467
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:50,639
Speaker 1: I just looked at him. I'm saying, man, I said, man,

468
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 1: let dude lives over here, like, man, I didn't do

469
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:57,880
Speaker 1: what you want to do, Cole. He went back out there,

470
00:26:58,119 --> 00:26:59,639
Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna take all the credit for what

471
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 1: I think he would have done it anyway. But he

472
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 1: went back out there and he grabbed the rebound and

473
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 1: he went down and he went passion spinning. He's spinning

474
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 1: all the way down and then on the last spin,

475
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 1: he just stew it like this and he hits the

476
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 1: guy right here and he dunks it. Then he comes

477
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 1: down again and he goes between his legs. He spins again,

478
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 1: he goes through a crowd and he dunks it and

479
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,199
Speaker 1: then he comes down and it was like a no

480
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 1: look pass. He's on the break and he just did

481
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 1: that and hit somebody over the corner for a jumper.

482
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 1: Big call the time out. We walk over to the

483
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 1: bench and our coaches like this. He like, he looked,

484
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 1: He looked at the assistant coach. He said, the hell

485
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 1: was I thinking about? True story. I mean, it was

486
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 1: the best three minutes I have ever seen magic play.

487
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 1: And that was in high school. By the way. Darnell Valentine,

488
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 1: who had the biggest thighs in league history, was a

489
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 1: defensive guard nice. He wasn't nicest guy in the world.

490
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:03,640
Speaker 1: I think could have done a leg press and won

491
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 1: the Olympics. Do I remember Darling? I was one of

492
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 1: the great defensive guards. So let's go old school NBA.

493
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,199
Speaker 1: Because my staff always makes fun of me. I'm like

494
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 1: rain Man when it comes to old school NBA. There's

495
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 1: a handful of players I'm gonna throw at you, okay,

496
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 1: And I don't know how many times you face them,

497
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 1: but you will know them and have an opinion. Walter Davis,

498
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,640
Speaker 1: who I think is one of the most unheralded players

499
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 1: in league history. If I'd never seen him, describe him

500
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,239
Speaker 1: to my audience because I number six. I loved him

501
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 1: as a kid. You know, people will say that, you

502
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 1: know stuff was the greatest shoot ever, and I believe that.

503
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 1: But in certain aspects of shooting, he's not. But if

504
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 1: you want to grade him out, like on pin downs,

505
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 1: back picks, running the court, spot up shooting, he's gone

506
00:28:56,200 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 1: a grade higher off the dribble than probably any to

507
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 1: the history of this game. So I give Steph that,

508
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 1: But coming off a down screen Walter Davis and Dale

509
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 1: Ellis now I figured like I'm near that group too.

510
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: But those two dudes. Walter Davis would come off a

511
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: downscreen elevate and you see his knees. I mean, it

512
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 1: is the beautiful, most prettiest shot you ever want to see.

513
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 1: He was unbelievable. They called him Greyhound for a reason.

514
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 1: He could run ye day, He could run all day.

515
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 1: And I mean, great guy. I mean he's the one

516
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 1: that taught me how to play golf. I mean I

517
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 1: was a teammate of his for one year and he

518
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 1: actually dragged me to a golf course and I fell

519
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 1: in love with it. But Wald is a very good

520
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 1: friend still to this day, but a tremendously underrated player. Man.

521
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 1: People just don't remember how good and how sweet that

522
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 1: jump shot was. Oh I do. I was a Sonics fan.

523
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 1: Oh yes, he beat up a as a kid. Here's

524
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 1: another one. Dominique Wilkins once said, I loved playing against Michael.

525
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:10,959
Speaker 1: I was terrified of Bernard King. He would do whatever

526
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 1: he wanted to. I don't know if you ever crossed pass.

527
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 1: I'm guessing you did for a few years. I think

528
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 1: he goes down as perhaps one of it because he

529
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: had knee problems. Remember he tried to block a Reggie

530
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 1: Theist dunk he got hurt, he was never the same.

531
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 1: I think he would have gone down as a top

532
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 1: twenty player all time. I thought he was an unbelievable talent.

533
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 1: That baseline turnaround move, Eddie was virtually unstoppable. Yes, tell

534
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 1: me give me a Bernard King story. Yeah, I was

535
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: actually on that team. I was like behind that play

536
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 1: when he got injured. I had him on my show

537
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 1: the other day, and I mean a couple of weeks ago,

538
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 1: and he brought it up again because he remembers how

539
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 1: he tours knee. I remember Cotton fitz Simmons said, Eddie,

540
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 1: and he was on that tour where he was like

541
00:30:55,160 --> 00:31:00,040
Speaker 1: dropping fifty on everybody. Yeah, in the Kansas City. And

542
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,479
Speaker 1: Cod was like, you got him here. I am as

543
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 1: young players, So I'm okay, I'm gonna try to guard him.

544
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 1: And I mean he never say a word to me.

545
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 1: I hit him. And back then when I first got

546
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 1: in the league, I was like I was bigger. You know.

547
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 1: They drafted me like as a power forward. But they

548
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 1: soon got rid of that. Say and he gonna lose weight,

549
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 1: You're not the power forward. But I was hitting him,

550
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: I mean in the back. You know how we used

551
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 1: to be we should hit guys. And he wouldn't say

552
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 1: a word to me. He just turned and shoot that

553
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 1: jumper in my face and just look at me as

554
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: he went back down court, like this is crazy. I mean,

555
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, I mean, it just he was just a

556
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 1: true professional man. He understood that he was gonna get

557
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: be up. He took it, but he still dropped forty

558
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 1: and fifty on it. And you're right about that shot

559
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: when you get posted up, Kevin McHale and turn around

560
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: and shoot with your back to the basket over the

561
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 1: top of him with ease, and you're like jumping that high.

562
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't understand how he was able to

563
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 1: do it. He said, it's a science. So I'm like, man,

564
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 1: well you need to try to create that science put

565
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: in the book, man, because I don't understand how you

566
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 1: could get that shot over the top of people like

567
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 1: you did. But he did. And he was unbelievable. I mean,

568
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: he had relentless energy. He was ferocious, and I love

569
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 1: the way he played. Okay, now, old school. Two teams

570
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 1: that have never gotten the love they deserve. I want

571
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 1: to talk about one. So the Cleveland Cavaliers, the Craigielow team,

572
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 1: that lost MJ. I contend they were one of the

573
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 1: longest mark price most athletic teams in the league. Never

574
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 1: got the respect because frankly, between the Pistons and Jordan,

575
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 1: they were just a hair short. They just could never

576
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 1: get past them. The second team that gets no love

577
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 1: is sort of the the Alex English Nuggets. Fat Leaver

578
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 1: Alice English Nuggets. Alex is another guy that was just buckets.

579
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 1: And again, the West had too many good teams. Do

580
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: you remember those Nugget teams? And I swear to God,

581
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: with Doug Moe, you would go into Denver and if

582
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 1: you weren't ready to play, they would blow your doors off. Yeah,

583
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,959
Speaker 1: you're right. I mean I actually remember both. And I

584
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: was in Phoenix. I was like, we tried to model

585
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: our team. We went from twenty eight wins and fifty

586
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 1: five and the team we were looking at was Cleveland.

587
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: Just a tremendous front line with hot Rod Williams, Larry Many,

588
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 1: Brand Daugherty and you got long right in the back court,

589
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 1: you got elo. I mean they I actually signed an

590
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: offer sheet with them the year before, and I tried

591
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 1: to get there, but you cancer, the Sacramento Kings matched

592
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: and they traded me to Phoenix, and so I wanted

593
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 1: to get to that team because I felt that's what

594
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: they needed, was a three man that could just play

595
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: with all them big guys. I would have just feasted

596
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 1: on everything. But they had a tremendous team, and I

597
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 1: loved Lenny Wilkins as a coach. I always wanted to

598
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: play for him and never really got the chance. But

599
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: that team probably should have won a tight if it

600
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: wasn't like the Bulls put out a lot of teams

601
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: that should have one type. Cleveland's one night, obviously, and

602
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 1: you calls the other the Denver team. People always ask me, Colle,

603
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 1: they say, and who's the most difficult guy to guard

604
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 1: that you ever played against? And they always think you

605
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 1: automatically will say Michael or you will say burd And

606
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: trust me, they were nightmares, don't get me wrong. I mean,

607
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 1: Bird was a true nightmare. But but you knew when

608
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,320
Speaker 1: Bird was gonna shoot it, and he's just gonna shoot

609
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 1: it in your face. You didn't have to exhaust a

610
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 1: lot of energy to guard him. He just was gonna

611
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 1: abuse you. Same way with m Jay. M was just

612
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 1: gonna abuse you. I mean, So it wasn't like you

613
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 1: walked away from that phrase fatigue, But guarding Kiki Vanderway,

614
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 1: you're fatigue. I mean you were fatigued. He cut, he

615
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 1: moved the entire game, and I'm like, I never I

616
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 1: hated guarding him. And then Alex he was the same way.

617
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: They all just moved and they cut and they just

618
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: never stood still. And they were tremendous. And You're right,

619
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 1: fat even go down as one of the best rebounding

620
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 1: guards in history of the game. I mean Russell obviously

621
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 1: Westbrook has taken over that, but that leaver about one

622
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty five pounds. I mean he was in

623
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,800
Speaker 1: there getting thirteen fourteen rebounds in that offense when you

624
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:19,800
Speaker 1: got dan Is fluent there and Calvin Natten and English

625
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: and vand away he getting all the rebounds. I mean. So, no,

626
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: that team was tremendous. It really was. I mean, they

627
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 1: couldn't stop enough to get really fault that issue, but

628
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: they had defenders that tr done on that team. They

629
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,320
Speaker 1: had guys bill hands, lipped the head, guys that can defend,

630
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 1: but they just didn't have big guys that could defend,

631
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 1: and that was always their problem. But man, they would

632
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 1: run you out of that gym and you in that

633
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:49,760
Speaker 1: altitude too, and I hated kicking out very good friends

634
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: and I tell him he always thinks I'm just joshing,

635
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 1: but I'm not. He's the most difficult dude I've ever

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Speaker 1: had the guard. And by the way, after my rookie year,

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Speaker 1: I asked my assistant coach, Frank Hambler, who passed away

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Speaker 1: a few years ago. I said, Frank, yeah, what are

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Speaker 1: they doing man? I mean the footwork that they got

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Speaker 1: and all of that, and said they go to Pete

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Speaker 1: Newles camp every year. And I'm like, well, I wasn't

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Speaker 1: that familiar with Pete news. I was like, I need

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Speaker 1: to go to that camp. And after my rookie year,

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Speaker 1: I was after nine points a game. I went to

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Speaker 1: that camp, that camp with Kiki and Purvis, and they

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Speaker 1: worked with me individually. They did I went from nine

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Speaker 1: to almost twenty a game. I mean they, I mean,

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Speaker 1: and they were like opponents, but they taught me. I mean,

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Speaker 1: hakem was there as well. I mean, rodn't E McCray.

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Speaker 1: All of us was in the gym five hours a

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Speaker 1: day working on that move. And yet then we took

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Speaker 1: it back to our teams and competed against one another,

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Speaker 1: and that that helped me tremendously. But yeah, Keiki was

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Speaker 1: a nightmare. Man. God, I love talking old school and

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Speaker 1: I can talk old school NVA forever. Okay, before we

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Speaker 1: wrap it up, give me your thoughts on what the series,

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Speaker 1: in your opinion, will look like going forward. Listen, Janice

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Speaker 1: is going to have his way. I thought Drew Holiday,

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Speaker 1: who's a bigger, stronger guard than Chris Paul. That's a

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Speaker 1: that's an issue. As you said, Phoenix, Phoenix can get

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Speaker 1: pushed around a little bit. The Lakers when a d

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Speaker 1: was healthy and Lebron played, you can they can put

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Speaker 1: you can push Phoenix around a little bit. What is

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Speaker 1: what is Monty Williams next chess move? What do you

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Speaker 1: think Game four looks like? I think a couple of things.

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Speaker 1: Monty has to look at one a little sneaky move

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Speaker 1: that Milwaukee really put in that I think the Suns

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Speaker 1: didn't care at first, but I think now they're starting

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Speaker 1: to see us. An issue is they're picking up Chris

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Speaker 1: Paul ninety four feet and they're trying to wear them back,

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Speaker 1: and they're trying to take time off the clock because

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Speaker 1: they know if the Suns can push it up and

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Speaker 1: they got eighteen seconds to move and run that offense,

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Speaker 1: they're going to get a good shot. And they're trying

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Speaker 1: to negate Chris from being too dominant within that two

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Speaker 1: man game and not give them a lot of time.

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Speaker 1: So I think they got to find a way to

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Speaker 1: push the ball up faster. Does that mean maybe somebody

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Speaker 1: else brings it up and Holiday is not, you know,

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Speaker 1: Dog and Chris. Maybe that's it. I don't know, but

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Speaker 1: they need to find a way to get the ball

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Speaker 1: into the half court quicker so they can have more options.

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Speaker 1: And then two, they just got a double team. Honest. Look,

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Speaker 1: then he was old for eight or the old for

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Speaker 1: nine outside of the restrict of that yesterday he was

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Speaker 1: old for nine. So that tells you find a way

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Speaker 1: to get him out of the restricted area. Even sweeping Miami,

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Speaker 1: he only averaged twenty three against them because Miami knows

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Speaker 1: how to guard him, and so I think they need

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Speaker 1: to look at that that film find a way and

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Speaker 1: if they can't do it, then they got a double team.

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Speaker 1: And they gotta say, you know when PJ. Tucker, we

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Speaker 1: know you led the league last year in corner three

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Speaker 1: go at it, you know, two holiday go at it.

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Speaker 1: If you an't make them, we loose. But we're not

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Speaker 1: allowing this man to scored forty points on us and

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Speaker 1: get everybody in fil trouble. And he's making his free

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Speaker 1: throws now. So I don't think Milwaukee's gonna change anything.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna try to stick with been doing it. Hope

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Speaker 1: the Suns gonna make the adjustment. Sons will make that adjustment,

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Speaker 1: they'll speed the game up as well. I still got

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Speaker 1: the Sons winning this series. I just think that Devin

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Speaker 1: Booker cannot continue to struggle like he has. I think

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Speaker 1: he's like a little winded right now, and he's got

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Speaker 1: to find a way to get it going. From not

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Speaker 1: ever making the playoffs for him ten years for the organization,

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Speaker 1: I think going all the way to the finals is

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Speaker 1: kind of taking a load on him. I think the

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Speaker 1: nose issue was still bothering him somewhat, but he's got

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Speaker 1: to fight through it. He's got two wins to win

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Speaker 1: a title. Eddie Johnson, Suns play by play seventeen years.

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Speaker 1: We went old school, new school analytics, Man analytics. Hope

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Speaker 1: your golf game is great. Thank you so much, Man,

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Speaker 1: I really apprec I just love this. Thanks man. Well, look,

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Speaker 1: I'm a fan man, I'll watch you every day. Man.

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Speaker 1: You do it from indo. This job. I can thank

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Speaker 1: you interview men a few times when when you were

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Speaker 1: in Portland and I was with the Sonics and so man, no,

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Speaker 1: you do a great job man. So I was very

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Speaker 1: happy that I got a chance spit some time. Ways,

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Speaker 1: all right, thanks man, All right, God that was fun

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Speaker 1: for me. Here Eddie weekday afternoons, all year long on

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Speaker 1: pick for Game four Sons plus four and a half.

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Speaker 1: I think it's close. I'll take Phoenix to win by

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Speaker 1: about one to two. They've got to push Janis away

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Speaker 1: from the basket. It's not an easy lift for Phoenix.

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Speaker 1: They're they're not big, it's a young team. It's it's

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Speaker 1: this is a tough ask. But I think Phoenix plus

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Speaker 1: four and a half is the play in Game four.

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Speaker 1: And thank you for listening to us. I can't tell

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Speaker 1: you between those aviation nightmare stories and old school NBA

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Speaker 1: calves and Nuggets, I'm in freaking heaven. I'm gonna go

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Speaker 1: have a cocktail. I'm in heaven. The staff's looking at me,

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Speaker 1: all these young guys. Wa Kiki vand Away. Yeah, I'll

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Speaker 1: give you a Kekey Vandaway story true story. Kekey vand

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Speaker 1: Away would go on a six game road trip and

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Speaker 1: pack one pair of dress pants, brown chords, legendarily frugal.

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Speaker 1: I kid you not. I had guy tell me one time,

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Speaker 1: halfway through a season. He said, Keki, I'll buy you pants.

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Speaker 1: You cannot wear brown chords every night out on a

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Speaker 1: six game roadie. Hey, you don't get this on any

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