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Speaker 1: Hopefully everyone is doing well out there on the streets

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Speaker 1: of the real world, and today we will We had

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Speaker 1: a couple of contract extensions Geno Smith, Raiders, Trey McBride,

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Speaker 1: flying around the NFL from the owners meetings this week

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Speaker 2: But when you're playing in the NFL, you know you

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Speaker 2: miles an hour. Some people drive like five or ten.

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Speaker 2: it was just just your classic kind of beater that

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Speaker 2: and I used to fly around, you know, the neighborhood

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Speaker 2: hour and the speed limits like twenty five, getting yelled

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Speaker 2: at constantly by people and they eventually tell my parents.

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Speaker 2: My parents would scream me they take away the keys

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Speaker 2: and uh, it's like funny you turn into those people

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460
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 2: the same thing. Like looking at Val Kilmer. I was

461
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462
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Speaker 2: But then you started talking like that. I feel like

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Speaker 2: music and stuff that he grew up on. I'm pretty

467
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468
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Speaker 2: like the best player I've ever seen, Like listen, all

469
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Speaker 2: these guys are good. I enjoy all these different eras.

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Speaker 2: I'm not stubborn with that. But when it comes to music, like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: Val Kilmer, I mean it's crazy. Obviously he was a

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Speaker 2: about the levels of alphas on NFL squads when you

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Speaker 2: the top dog alphas or some dudes not household names

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Speaker 2: that you were around that just carried the room and

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Speaker 2: Kelsey Fletcher, Cox Lane Johnson. Lane was drafted and then

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Speaker 2: I was relieved to my duty, so I actually never

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Speaker 2: was even around Lane. But like when I was there,

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Speaker 2: our best players, I wouldn't say were the alpha leaders,

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Speaker 2: you know, like DeShawn Jackson, Sante Samuel I mean, he's

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Speaker 2: going at it with these were Pro Bowl level, elite players.

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Speaker 2: Asante wasn't better than Dion. I don't know if you

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Speaker 2: saw that online. Sante was a good player. I mean

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Speaker 2: he was, he was a playmaker, couldn't really run, but

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Speaker 2: just in credible instincts. I would say it was like

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Speaker 2: guys like Brent Seleik, Trent Cole they were just like

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Speaker 2: they just had some shit to him. You know. Even

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Speaker 2: at the time, Jason Peters, who was in the prime

532
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Speaker 2: of his career, I don't think was like what he

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Speaker 2: ultimately became as he aged. And really Mike Vick's first

534
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 2: year starting kind of came out of nowhere, right he

535
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Speaker 2: was the backup going into the season. I actually think

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00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 2: I saw it more once I left the NFL and

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00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 2: started doing living in the Bay Area, going to Niners

538
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Speaker 2: practice and Raiders practice. When I went to the Jim

539
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Speaker 2: Harbaugh team's practice, like Justin Smith, aka the Cowboy, I mean,

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Speaker 2: it was just he's just a dude. He is just

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Speaker 2: on alpha, like this Kyle Shanahan team, Fred Warner, Kittle,

542
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Speaker 2: Trent It's like alpha's you know. Deebo was like that

543
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Speaker 2: for a little while and then it kind of got weird.

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Speaker 2: But I would say Fred Greenlaw, Trent Kittle. When I

545
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Speaker 2: was around the Raiders, Khalil Mack for sure, but Charles

546
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Speaker 2: Woodson was at the end of his career, like he

547
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 2: was just him and Justin Smith. I felt like, and

548
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 2: again they were older when I was around him, just

549
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 2: carried themselves a little differently, And maybe there's like and

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Speaker 2: I would say, Trent Williams has this little as well

551
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 2: an aura around them. Sometimes with a younger guy, it's

552
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 2: hard to be the alpha, like the heartbeat of the

553
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Speaker 2: team when you're not one of the better players, Like

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Speaker 2: you can be one of the tougher guys on the

555
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Speaker 2: team and someone that no one would f with, but

556
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Speaker 2: not be like the best players. So you're not necessarily

557
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Speaker 2: like the leader of the team to be the leader

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Speaker 2: of the team or one of the alphas in the room.

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Speaker 2: Like he kind of got to be one of the

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Speaker 2: better players. So I would say that, like when you're

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Speaker 2: around I mean, Charles Woodson just had this aura around him.

562
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Speaker 2: It was like I was Charles Woodson and he was cool.

563
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Speaker 2: I mean, we interviewed him one time and he was

564
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 2: he was awesome. But some guys just aren't that vocal.

565
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Speaker 2: It's like personalities, right, there are some human beings that

566
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Speaker 2: are really social. There are some people that aren't that social. Right.

567
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Speaker 2: There are some people that never shut up. There are

568
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Speaker 2: some people that don't talk a lot. It's no different

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Speaker 2: in a football locker room. Like you can be a

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Speaker 2: leader by example. It's like the hardest working guy going,

571
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Speaker 2: but just not be a big talker. Like when you

572
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Speaker 2: were around the Eagles back then, like it was hard

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Speaker 2: to miss, like Leshawn McCoy and Assante, Like they were

574
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Speaker 2: pretty loud in a good way, like everyone loves Shady.

575
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Speaker 2: He was like the most likable guy on the team.

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Speaker 2: I would say him like, Selick, what are your thoughts

577
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Speaker 2: about fantasy football and how it quote grows the game?

578
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 2: Does it INCENTIVI fans to watch the games? I think

579
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 2: it's incredible. I mean, you know my two sports, football

580
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 2: and golf. They use the term, and golf a lot

581
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 2: grow the game, like Live did not grow the game.

582
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 2: What grows the game is YouTube golf. Like in football,

583
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 2: what's been incredible is fantasy football and gambling truly grows

584
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 2: the game because the more and more people that participate

585
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 2: in that, the more you're gonna watch the sport. I

586
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 2: got into the sport before I did either one of those.

587
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 2: I've never been a big fantasy football guy. But it's

588
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 2: not because I don't think it's like a lot. I

589
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 2: understand why other people think it's cool. When I was young,

590
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 2: especially in college, when I think a lot of people

591
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 2: start playing now, I mean probably playing like junior high

592
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 2: in sixth grade in high school, but I was like,

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00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 2: I don't want to play fantasy football. I want to

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Speaker 2: play real football, And that was like a driving thing

595
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 2: in my life. So I just never really got into

596
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Speaker 2: it because I wanted to get into actual football and

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00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 2: by then, Hell, when I worked in the NFL, I

598
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 2: knew people that played in huge fantasy leagues, which I don't.

599
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 2: I think is frowned upon they don't know anymore. But

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00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 2: I yeah, I think it's a huge, huge part of football.

601
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 2: And I would say the growth of the last ten

602
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 2: years and I would say now gambling become much more accessible.

603
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 2: Is that on steroids? So I would say those two

604
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 2: things that drive interest of young people to like the

605
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 2: sport that maybe didn't play in high school or growing up,

606
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 2: is I mean should be applauded. So I'm a big

607
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 2: fan from Australia. What was the biggest professional mistake you

608
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 2: made working for the Eagles and how do you overcome it?

609
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 2: Congratulations on your recent marriage. What is the plan for

610
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 2: the honeymoon? No plan for the honeymoon. I had a

611
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 2: buddy in the NFL asked me like, where are you going.

612
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 2: I'm like, we just came home. We just needed we

613
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 2: were gone for a little while, spend so much money

614
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 2: in the wedding. I just needed to take a deep breath.

615
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 2: He's like, that's a pro move. We are going to

616
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Speaker 2: costa Rica before football season in late August. So that's

617
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's a technical honeymoon, but we

618
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 2: don't really have. We just needed to take a deep breath.

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Speaker 2: She's really busy right now, work stuff. I would say

620
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 2: my biggest professional mistake was when Andy got fired and

621
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 2: Chip Kelly came in. I was pretty cocky, slash confident,

622
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 2: like I was kind of like a made man in

623
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 2: the organization, tired by Howie. I was good, I had

624
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 2: an area. I was just kind of feeling myself and

625
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 2: we had a draft meeting and I just kind of

626
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,239
Speaker 2: got into it with Chip about Matt Barkley, and I

627
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 2: remember one of the couple guys in the draft room

628
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Speaker 2: that night at the hotel was like, Bro, you can't

629
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Speaker 2: do that. And I don't regret doing that. I mean,

630
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 2: my life has been dramatically better post that moment. But

631
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 2: I would say as a younger person, I got humbled

632
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 2: pretty fast, and then it was pretty clear a couple

633
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 2: weeks later and like that was not a good idea

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00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 2: and I'm in trouble here now. Maybe would have replaced

635
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 2: me anyway, who knows. I'm not that like arrogant to

636
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 2: say that I was untouchable. But that was a moment

637
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 2: where I was really feeling myself. And I think anytime

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00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 2: when you're a young person and you gained a bunch

639
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 2: of confidence, you know, it can go to your head.

640
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 2: And I would say at that point in time, it

641
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,919
Speaker 2: was probably in my head. I was like, I'm best

642
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 2: scout in here, I'm an untouchable guy. And then until

643
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 2: I wasn't and you realize who the boss in that

644
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:31,319
Speaker 2: room was did not like me yapping back. But I

645
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 2: think it's just a good lesson for younger people. It's like,

646
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 2: sometimes you just just calm down a little bit, even

647
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 2: though I technically was right, but that's besides the point.

648
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 2: Do you think the narrative around Harbor and Herbert will

649
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 2: change if they don't win a playoff game this year? Also,

650
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 2: my buddy goes to Vanderbilt and we are going to

651
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 2: the Bama game. We were curious if you think Vanderbilt

652
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:56,399
Speaker 2: has any more upsets in them this year. I would

653
00:34:56,400 --> 00:35:00,879
Speaker 2: say on the Vanderbilt front, it does feel like that's

654
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 2: a once in a generation type upset, especially given that

655
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 2: Caitlin de Bor is coming back and that game was

656
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 2: that game in Vanderbilt. So I would imagine that game's

657
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 2: in Bama this year. If I'm wrong, regardless where it is,

658
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 2: I do think that's a circle on the calendar game

659
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 2: for Alabama. I would be stunned if they lose to

660
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 2: Vanderbilt two years in a row. But should be fun.

661
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 2: I would say, I don't think there's a narrative around Harbaugh.

662
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 2: I mean, Harbaugh has coached in the NFL five years,

663
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,839
Speaker 2: has made the playoffs in four of them, just won

664
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,479
Speaker 2: a National championship two years ago with like twenty five

665
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 2: NFL players. I think Jim Harbaugh universally agreed upon, high level,

666
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 2: top end coach. No one's arguing that. I actually think

667
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 2: Herbert is the one that's polarizing. I don't see how

668
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 2: Harbas's polarizing at this point. He's just a certified ass kicker.

669
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,399
Speaker 2: You make him your head coach, You're gonna win games? Now?

670
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 2: Can he win the Super Bowl? Yeah, that's a narrative

671
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 2: for a lot of coaches, right, Can this guy ever

672
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 2: win the Super Bowl? We can start going around. Kyle

673
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 2: Shanahan would be the leader in the clubhouse, but there

674
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 2: are countless other guys that like, can this guy get

675
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 2: it done? Lafleour can Kevin O'Connell win a playoff game.

676
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 2: I think there are way bigger narratives around other coaches

677
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 2: than Jim Harbaugh at this point. But I do think

678
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 2: Justin Herbert does have pressure, just given the way he's

679
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 2: talked about in the top group. I mean he is

680
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 2: in the NFL. I just think considered a top five quarterback,

681
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,760
Speaker 2: and when you're a top five quarterback, he'd be the fifth.

682
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 2: But the other four guys are Mahomes, Allen, Lamar, and Burrow.

683
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:51,320
Speaker 2: Like you kind of got to back it up with

684
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 2: just better play in the bigger moments. But you could

685
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 2: say the same for Lamar, though Lamar I didn't think

686
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 2: played a much better in the second half last year.

687
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 2: I've heard you discuss the three pointer with Colin thoughts

688
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:08,839
Speaker 2: on limiting the amount of attempts a team can take

689
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 2: in the first forty six minutes to a game to

690
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 2: twenty or twenty five after they reached the limit. Any

691
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,399
Speaker 2: shot taken behind the arc would count as a two

692
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 2: pointer last two minutes of the game. Threes would not

693
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 2: be restricted, would limit the number of threes taken, create

694
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:29,479
Speaker 2: strategy on when to take them. I don't like doing

695
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 2: that type stuff like arbitrarily picking things like you can

696
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 2: only bunt in the last three innings, right, you can

697
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 2: only throw pass forty yards once a half, you can

698
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 2: only shoot so many threes, Like, yes, the three is

699
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 2: either part of the game or it's not to me.

700
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 2: If you're going to have an issue with the three,

701
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 2: extend the line. But you can't limit the number of

702
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 2: times I can take a shot that doesn't exist anywhere

703
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 2: else in any Like you can't hit a home run

704
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 2: here because you've already hit three. You can't you got

705
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 2: to kick field goals because you've already scored four touchdowns.

706
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:09,919
Speaker 2: I think we're just like kind of arbitrarily And I've listen,

707
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 2: You're not alone. I've heard other people bring that up.

708
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:16,359
Speaker 2: I think that's fucking stupid. I really do. I think

709
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 2: it's insane. I don't think three pointers. I think sometimes

710
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 2: when I hear basketball people discuss why less people are watching,

711
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,359
Speaker 2: I think they're too close to the sun. I think

712
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,760
Speaker 2: it's very, very hard for them to see the big picture.

713
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 2: It's not just that every game looks the same and

714
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 2: people are shooting threes. They lost people with the tanking

715
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 2: and people not playing and the season becoming baseball none

716
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 2: of the games mattering and the games simply do not matter.

717
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 2: And you know, for the first these last stretch a

718
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 2: couple of weeks, there are some big games, but for

719
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 2: the most part, like football feels like that throughout the

720
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 2: entire season, Basketball and baseball have lost us during the

721
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 2: rag season because it does not feel like the games matter.

722
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:06,320
Speaker 2: I think that it's all the three pointers. The Warriors

723
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 2: were shooting a lot of three pointers a decade ago,

724
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 2: and a lot of more people were watching it. To me,

725
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 2: it's truly the people do not play games, they sit

726
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 2: and the tanking all kind of mixed into one. Now.

727
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 2: I'd also argue the tanking thing like no one's watching

728
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 2: the Utah Jazz anyway or the Pelicans, but I do

729
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 2: think they're all it's kind of intertwined. Just the games

730
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 2: not mattering, and literally the teams don't care about the games.

731
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 2: I'm a sports lawyer who graduated with my law degree

732
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 2: from Marquette and go to my sports law and got

733
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 2: my sports law certificate from a national institute. I have

734
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 2: also worked in multiple NCAA athletic offices. I'm currently listening

735
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 2: to your podcast mail Bag, where someone asks you about

736
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 2: universities employing student athletes. You were spot on about title

737
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 2: nine entitle I don't know the numerology with the V

738
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 2: and the two ones, but let's just say fifteen. But additionally,

739
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 2: the even bigger problem is once students become employees, their

740
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 2: scholarship becomes taxable. The issue is most of the student athletes,

741
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:19,959
Speaker 2: especially non football and basketball, don't bring in enough under

742
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 2: nil to afford the taxes for their scholarship dollars, so

743
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 2: becoming employees for the university is a non starter. Hope

744
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:31,959
Speaker 2: that helps. I'm always available for conversation. Why I would

745
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 2: say this, I would imagine the universities have zero desire

746
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 2: to quote unquote employee the softball team, the soccer team held,

747
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 2: the baseball team, those people are not getting employed. It

748
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 2: would just be the men's football team. Well, I mean

749
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 2: there's only men's football, but football and men's basketball and

750
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:56,360
Speaker 2: potentially women's basketball. Now I don't know about the rules.

751
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 2: If you employ them, do you have to employ everyone else?

752
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 2: Because if that's the case, then football is breaking off.

753
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 2: But I hear you there are a lot of complications

754
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 2: and it's not It's a I would say, Harry situation

755
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 2: moving forward, So we'll see how it plays out. I

756
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 2: don't know. I feel like it's gonna get worse for

757
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 2: it gets better, which to me is kind of entertaining.

758
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 2: I don't care for the mailback. Big fan of the show.

759
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 2: I've enjoyed some of your quote unquote life lesson segments,

760
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 2: so I'll continue the trend. I turned twenty four in

761
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks and will graduate with an MBA

762
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 2: in May. I'm moving to Minneapolis in June for a

763
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 2: job in finance. I was curious if you have any

764
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 2: tips looking back on the twenty four year old version

765
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 2: of yourself, mostly intangibly, when approaching career success. Also, an

766
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 2: Iowa State student graduate who watched Party melt down in

767
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 2: person several times, I wouldn't pay him even close to

768
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 2: top five money god hater here perty did a lot

769
00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 2: for your school. I would say, that's a great question. Uh,

770
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 2: you can't look at everything when you're young about immediate

771
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 2: success and worrying about like the next day, the next week,

772
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 2: the next month. Some of your moves when you know

773
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 2: your industry doesn't isn't apples to apples to the world

774
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 2: that I grew up in in college football or the NFL,

775
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 2: or even radio. But you have to think big picture.

776
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 2: So you know, if you go into the mindset of like, oh,

777
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 2: I'm getting I'm getting screwed here, I'm doing that. It's

778
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 2: it's hard because as a young person, they're going to

779
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 2: ask you to do some dumb stuff and part of

780
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 2: that is proving your worth. Now there gets to a

781
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 2: point like maybe they are taking advantage of you. But

782
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,800
Speaker 2: like as a young person, you know, I would imagine

783
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 2: if you're single, you don't have kids, you're not married, like,

784
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:53,879
Speaker 2: spend extra time, you know, and just be available and

785
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 2: say yes more than you say no, and usually early

786
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:03,240
Speaker 2: on that can lead to good things. So I would say, also,

787
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 2: it's easy, and I was guilty of this, and most

788
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:09,240
Speaker 2: people are. When you're young and hungry and ambitious, you

789
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 2: probably think you know there's not Probably you do think

790
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 2: you know a lot more than you actually know. And

791
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 2: the fifty year old, the sixty year old people in

792
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 2: charge don't want all your takes all the time. So

793
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:26,320
Speaker 2: just be careful about being too aggressive and just ease

794
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:29,320
Speaker 2: into some things early. You know, don't go in there

795
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 2: and think you're reinventing the wheel in whatever world you're

796
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 2: working in. You know, especially and then you know, once

797
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 2: you're able to really soak into any opportunity you get,

798
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 2: whether they take you to a big meeting, a big closing,

799
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 2: even if you have nothing to do with any of it.

800
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:49,919
Speaker 2: You know, really kind of soak in things like God,

801
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 2: that's take away the positive experiences, things that you learn

802
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,399
Speaker 2: from them, and then also see things that you don't

803
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 2: like and things that you're like, I don't That's not

804
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 2: how I'm going to operate when I as I move

805
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 2: up in the world. But I would say just be

806
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 2: willing to say yes to a lot of things because

807
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 2: in your mid twenties, like you got a lot of

808
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:12,479
Speaker 2: time on your hands, and you don't have much going

809
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 2: on in terms of like family requirements or marriage or

810
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 2: those things, assuming maybe you already married with kids, but

811
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 2: if you're not, you can really take advantage of And

812
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 2: some of it's gonna be stupid. Some of it you'll

813
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 2: look back like, what a waste of my time, But

814
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 2: some of it is not, and it's type stuff that

815
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 2: can change your life. So I would just go in

816
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 2: ambitious and willing to say yes and just grind because

817
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 2: you'll look back you're like, how did I do that? Well,

818
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 2: that's the time in your twenties is the time to

819
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 2: work crazy hours and really make hay. So like once

820
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 2: you get to your thirties, like world becomes a little

821
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:53,760
Speaker 2: easier in theory. Maybe not, but a lot of stuff's

822
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:58,359
Speaker 2: out of your control too. You gotta like you just

823
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 2: gotta put all your chips in the middle the table

824
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,400
Speaker 2: and just see what happens. There's no guarantee on anything,

825
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 2: So that's part of what makes life fun. Longtime Niner

826
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 2: fan frustrated every time I hear Kyle Shanahan get called

827
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 2: a genius. If he were, he wouldn't be losing Super Bowls.

828
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:19,720
Speaker 2: I feel like Kyle is trying to live in Dad's shadow.

829
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:23,720
Speaker 2: Who gets credit for giving him the title quote unquote

830
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:30,320
Speaker 2: genius Albert Einstein was a genius. Jason, Yeah, I would say,

831
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 2: here's the thing, I don't know who you know. I

832
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 2: think a lot of players some of the stuff that

833
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 2: Kyle gets held in high regard when it comes to

834
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 2: offense and when it comes to play calling are the

835
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 2: way other coaches and players on his own team talk

836
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 2: about him. And also like he's had a lot of

837
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 2: success as a head coach. I do think to be

838
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 2: a sports genius as a coach, you need to create

839
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 2: something from scratch. Like he is running his father's offense.

840
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 2: Now he has found a way. You know, his dad

841
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 2: was became famous in the mid to late nineties running this,

842
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 2: so he's doing it almost thirty years later at a

843
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 2: high level. So clearly he's adapted off of it. But

844
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 2: I'm with you, like to be a true quote unquote

845
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 2: genius Bill Walsh, I think gets a lot of credit

846
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 2: for developing the West Coast offense, though there were concepts

847
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,240
Speaker 2: that I'm pretty sure that he had taken from other places,

848
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:30,240
Speaker 2: but like he mastered that in the early late seventies,

849
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:34,879
Speaker 2: early eighties. So like or you know, some of these

850
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 2: defensive coordinators that create the Tampa two or some of

851
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 2: the defenses that Belichick and Saban created. Yeah, is he

852
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:45,840
Speaker 2: a quote unquote genius. Yeah, you could argue that's a

853
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 2: little strong, but Kyle is a really, really good coach

854
00:46:48,680 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 2: who had a bad year. Thought for the mailback, the

855
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 2: Titans should not draft cam Ward at number one, or

856
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 2: any quarterback for at least the first three rounds in

857
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:15,439
Speaker 2: this year's draft. Ward isn't better than any of last

858
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 2: year's first round quarterbacks, so I wouldn't reach for him

859
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 2: at number one. They should go get Kirk Cousins and

860
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:23,760
Speaker 2: wait to draft their quarterback of the future. The Titans

861
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 2: just finish their O line rebuild with additions of Dan

862
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 2: Moore and Kevin Zeitdler in free agency, so Cousins should

863
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,840
Speaker 2: be decently protected and can run the offense for a

864
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 2: season or two. Don't overthink it. Draft Abduel Carter and

865
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 2: win eight to nine games in a week division. I

866
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 2: think new GM Mike Borganzi, who was the Kansaie Chiefs

867
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 2: since nine, is too smart to draft a non elite

868
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 2: quarterback prospect. Your thoughts their drafting cam Ward like it's

869
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 2: at this point in time, it would be one of

870
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 2: the craziest pivots. Everyone in the NFL thinks they're drafting

871
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 2: cam Ward. The Titans believe they're drafting cam Ward, and

872
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:05,840
Speaker 2: that's led by the coach and the GM. So listen,

873
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 2: there is dramatic risk taking this guy, right. But I

874
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 2: would just say, from a skill set standpoint, the top

875
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:20,399
Speaker 2: three guys Caleb, Drake May, and Oh Jayden. Those three

876
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:24,240
Speaker 2: guys would definitely I would say get drafted above cam Ward.

877
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 2: I do think cam Ward is physically more gifted than

878
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 2: a twenty five year and I like Michael Penis a

879
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 2: lot and hell, I probably would have taken him in

880
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 2: the top ten. But cam Ward is a better NFL

881
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:37,879
Speaker 2: prospect than Michael Pennix's. I would say he's a better

882
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 2: NFL prospect than Bo Knicks and JJ McCarthy. Doesn't mean

883
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:43,399
Speaker 2: you're canna be better players, but just his skill set,

884
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 2: physical characteristics like they are better. Now would he have

885
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 2: gone ahead, I don't know, but I don't think it's

886
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 2: that crazy to take him number one overall. It's not

887
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 2: a great draft if you can create him into I

888
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 2: don't know, a top twelve ish quarterback at risky one

889
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 2: d per but I would say Kirk Cousins has a

890
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 2: ton of risk. Kirk Cousins might be shot, might be done,

891
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:11,439
Speaker 2: like it just could be over. He's thirty seven years old,

892
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 2: an achilles, can't move, arm strengths, looks like it's kind

893
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 2: of diminishing. He's had an incredible career, made hundreds of

894
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 2: millions of dollars. But you could, let's just say you

895
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 2: do what you said, sign you'd have to trade for him.

896
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 2: Trade for Kirk Cousins. Draft ab Duel Carter, what if

897
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:32,839
Speaker 2: cousins just awful, I mean just terrible. I say this

898
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 2: about the Falcons. At least they did have Michael Pennix

899
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 2: behind him, so it's like, hey, we'll just go with

900
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 2: Michael Pennix. What would the Titans do if like five

901
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,320
Speaker 2: games in it's like, oh, this thing is a disaster.

902
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 2: You'd be in trouble. Uh. Mail back question. I just

903
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 2: saw the NFL announce Global Markets program for twenty five

904
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 2: where teams are partnering with partnering with certain countries to

905
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:56,320
Speaker 2: build the game and drive eyeballs on the sport moving forward.

906
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 2: My question, how did they decide what countries would PARTI

907
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:04,320
Speaker 2: and which teams get to allocate resources? Where congress on

908
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 2: the wedding Yeah, and support from your neighbor in north

909
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 2: in Canada. I don't know. I mean you're asking the

910
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 2: wrong guy here on like who gets to be connected

911
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 2: with what? I do wonder now that they have Amazon,

912
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 2: but even the Netflix Christmas time, if they use that

913
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 2: to gather some data? And I wonder if just going

914
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:29,839
Speaker 2: to play a game in Dubai is just like, oh,

915
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 2: we'll go to Dubai. They got a lot of money,

916
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 2: we turn looking to expand or did they see some

917
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 2: data there. Same thing with Brazil, same thing with Spain.

918
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 2: I've always said that they're doing that to try to

919
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:45,359
Speaker 2: expand their ability to stream. But what if they saw

920
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 2: on streaming where they should lean in and if you're

921
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 2: Netflix and those people you're working with the NFL, like, hey,

922
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:52,399
Speaker 2: you got people here, this is where you should play

923
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 2: a game, which I would imagine is happening, so listen.

924
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 2: I don't pretend to have the information of why who

925
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:03,319
Speaker 2: goes where, but I don't think it's random that they're

926
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 2: going back to back years in Brazil or this upcoming

927
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 2: year they're going to Spain, and then inevitably they're going

928
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 2: to Dubai. Like it's I think they're seeing data, there

929
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 2: are people there and there is a demand, and maybe

930
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 2: Netflix says we have a large percentage of people that

931
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 2: watch in these areas, so you're like working hand in

932
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:26,479
Speaker 2: hand with the crew, would be my educated guest, could

933
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 2: be wrong, but it's like, there are only so many

934
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:33,800
Speaker 2: possibilities here. What is the life of an NFL scout

935
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:36,359
Speaker 2: And why did you say you weren't going to get

936
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 2: another NFL job after the Eagles, Because when I got

937
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 2: out in the summer of twenty thirteen. The only people

938
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 2: I know that works for the Eagles and some of

939
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,240
Speaker 2: the people that I had worked with, you know, Daniel

940
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 2: Jeremiah had gone to television, Lewis Ridick was going to ESPN,

941
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:01,839
Speaker 2: Andy had hired job On Dorsey, and John Dorsey ran

942
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 2: personnel and Andy wasn't gonna so the only person he

943
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 2: took from the Eagles was Veach. Now they got several

944
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 2: others since then, you know, from the scouting perspective, But

945
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 2: I just I didn't really have that many people around

946
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:15,919
Speaker 2: the league I could call to try to get a job.

947
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 2: I know way more people today than I did then,

948
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 2: and then things just yeah, just like what am I

949
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:26,760
Speaker 2: going to do? So I just pivoted fast. I probably

950
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 2: could have figured it out, maybe not that season, but

951
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 2: like the following season got back in. But by the

952
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 2: fall things started going well with I was like going

953
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 2: on local television and radio. I was like, screw it,

954
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 2: I'll just do this, and then I did it and

955
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 2: just never looked back. I you know, I think when

956
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 2: you say the term most people assume college, and I've

957
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 2: done both. I've worked. I worked in the office, and

958
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:53,720
Speaker 2: when you work in the office, you're basically just working

959
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 2: not quite coaches hours during the season, but it's just

960
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:58,880
Speaker 2: getting there six thirty seven am if you want to

961
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 2: get a workout, maybe thirty six in the morning. And

962
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 2: you're there early in the week till eight, nine, ten

963
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 2: o'clock at night, just watching guys, watching players, writing reports

964
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 2: or doing advance of an opponent. And you're also in

965
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 2: charge like that crew of like free agency, so you're

966
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:20,760
Speaker 2: running the free agent boards. You're kind of help running

967
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 2: guys on the street. You know a player like Trey

968
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 2: Lance right now who's not on a team, Like you're

969
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 2: running lists of guys like those practice squad guys. You're

970
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 2: following pretty closely. Like you're just really working with the

971
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 2: NFL guys. College guys are focused on the college guys,

972
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:44,320
Speaker 2: And I think the best scouts have done both because

973
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:46,840
Speaker 2: I think the best way to transition to college is

974
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:49,879
Speaker 2: to understand what's going on the pro game. And then

975
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 2: when you work in college, I mean, you're just driving

976
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 2: school to school scouting, watching players, finding out information, typeing

977
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:01,319
Speaker 2: in a lot of reports. I mean you're just going

978
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 2: school to school, typing a ton and driving a ton

979
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:08,360
Speaker 2: and eating a lot of snacks, driving around trying so

980
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:11,800
Speaker 2: you don't and drinking a lot of coffee. Hotel Marriott

981
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:16,319
Speaker 2: to Marriott baby. So yeah, I mean, it just it

982
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 2: depends on the team. I mean, some teams have guys

983
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 2: that do pro and college. As you work up the ranks,

984
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 2: you know, you become like a number two or number three,

985
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 2: you dabble in both, and then those guys start working

986
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 2: helping the GM out, dealing with agents, running workouts. So

987
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 2: it's kind of like, you know, you meet people that

988
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:40,839
Speaker 2: travel a lot for work, like a I don't even

989
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:43,319
Speaker 2: know if these guys exist anymore because of technology, but

990
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 2: like the traveling salesmen. It's kind of what a scout is.

991
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:47,799
Speaker 2: You know, you got a couple of states, three or

992
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 2: four states, and you just go all the schools, obviously

993
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 2: the big ones, the small ones, the ones in between,

994
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:56,760
Speaker 2: and you're just you're going to games on the weekend.

995
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:01,880
Speaker 2: It's just it's it's not a lifestyle. It kind of

996
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,839
Speaker 2: is your life. It's just one of those jobs where

997
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 2: you just I mean it's basically a ten to eleven

998
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 2: month a year job because you know, in the summer,

999
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 2: you watch guys getting ready for the fall. Then in

1000
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:17,759
Speaker 2: the fall you're grinding the guys that you're scouting, and

1001
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 2: then in the spring your all star games combine pro

1002
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:25,839
Speaker 2: days in the meetings, so really you get May. May

1003
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 2: and June are kind of slow, but you're still working,

1004
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 2: and then July you kind of get a little rest,

1005
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 2: and then by the end training camp starts. So obviously

1006
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:36,439
Speaker 2: varies a little team to team, but for the most

1007
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 2: part you're just you're watching a lot of football. You know,

1008
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 2: one thing I've learned, I love football. I mean they've

1009
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:49,240
Speaker 2: made my career off talking about it off, watching it off,

1010
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 2: just having it be a part of my life. I

1011
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 2: didn't love football enough, Like I'm going way farther doing

1012
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 2: this than I would have there. You have to be,

1013
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 2: i mean, addicted to the sport to be good at it,

1014
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 2: like the addiction that all the gms have. And I'm

1015
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 2: lucky enough to know some of them. The Howie Roseman's,

1016
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:14,880
Speaker 2: the Jason Lights, the Beaches, the Spy Text, the Adam Peters,

1017
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:19,720
Speaker 2: the John lynches Less Snead, John Schneider. I mean, these guys,

1018
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 2: if football was cracked, they'd be crack addicts. They're addicted

1019
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 2: to football and everything in part of it. It becomes

1020
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 2: it becomes a very lucrative profession once you get to

1021
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 2: their level, and honestly, they probably watched less football than

1022
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:42,239
Speaker 2: they ever have during the week. But the business of football,

1023
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 2: it just becomes your life, and you know, it's just

1024
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:51,800
Speaker 2: it's it's a grind, there's no doubt about it. It's

1025
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:55,759
Speaker 2: Wall Street on grass baby, long hours, long days, and

1026
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:58,360
Speaker 2: until you get to the top couple rings of the

1027
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 2: food chain and the scouting profession, you don't make that

1028
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:06,799
Speaker 2: much money relative to how long you work relative to

1029
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:10,040
Speaker 2: other businesses. Like if you worked in other multi billion

1030
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:13,799
Speaker 2: dollar industries and you were good and you're working as much,

1031
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 2: the amount of money you would make would be decent.

1032
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 2: I mean you'd be making you'd be a top couple percenter.

1033
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 2: But I mean there are a lot of scouts out

1034
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 2: there grinding their ass off. You know, even if they're

1035
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 2: making one hundred grand relative to working you ain't working

1036
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 2: forty hour work weeks. I mean you're talking some weeks

1037
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 2: or eighty ninety. You don't see your family, you're gone.

1038
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 2: It's listen, you're not digging ditches. And it's an awesome

1039
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 2: job in theory, but it is a lot of work.

1040
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 2: And it's also a profession where no one knows how

1041
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 2: good you were, right at least as a coach. You like,

1042
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 2: if I'm a quarterback coach and every one of my

1043
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 2: staff gets fired because we won five games, but my

1044
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 2: quarterback played well, people be like, oh, that guy's probably

1045
00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 2: pretty good, and you get a lot. But as a like,

1046
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:03,560
Speaker 2: who knows is he good? Is he bad? No one

1047
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 2: really knows. That's I remember thinking that when I got out, like,

1048
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 2: how would anyone know how good or bad I am?

1049
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 2: No one would know. No one knows a lot. It's

1050
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:15,440
Speaker 2: like when all these guys get hired, unless you're like

1051
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 2: a repeat GM, like you've already had a gig, which

1052
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 2: doesn't happen very often. Like coaches, it's like, oh they

1053
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 2: for example, John Spytech just got hired, like just because

1054
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 2: he's been in my orbit for a long time, I

1055
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:30,760
Speaker 2: know a lot about him. But if you're a Raider fan,

1056
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 2: you've seen the name, but it's like you it's like

1057
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 2: is he good? Is he bad? Was he actually done?

1058
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 2: And then you hear stories like we're closely with Brady.

1059
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 2: Obviously he's good at his job, but you just never know.

1060
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 2: You know, some of these guys, Adam Peters I saw

1061
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 2: for a long time, like he was always in the mix.

1062
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:49,560
Speaker 2: It's like, well, what is he actually doing relative to

1063
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 2: the GM or the coach, and at least like as

1064
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:57,080
Speaker 2: a coordinator, as an offensive or defensive coordinator, it's pretty

1065
00:58:57,120 --> 00:59:00,840
Speaker 2: clear like this guy's like Brian Flores. I don't know

1066
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:03,400
Speaker 2: if he's great at like managing the whole team, but

1067
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 2: there is no disputing Brian Flores is an elite defensive coordinator,

1068
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 2: elite vic Fangio. Same thing. Now we know because we

1069
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 2: saw probably not a head coach Flores. Maybe he's learned

1070
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 2: from it, maybe not, I don't know, but like Flora's

1071
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:19,840
Speaker 2: give him the defense shit. I mean, I can't imagine

1072
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:22,960
Speaker 2: what Flora would look like if you had like elite players.

1073
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 2: He might have like a his defense might be like

1074
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 2: the greatest scoring defense we've ever seen, if he had

1075
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 2: like three or four Hall of Famers on it. But

1076
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:34,200
Speaker 2: there's no disputing it because we watch him play, and

1077
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 2: then we see other coordinators like this guy sucks. This

1078
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:39,640
Speaker 2: guy is not good at his job. Yet there are

1079
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 2: scouts that probably suck at their job and there are

1080
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:42,960
Speaker 2: probably ones that are really good and no one has

1081
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:45,400
Speaker 2: any clue. And the difference is in that profession, like

1082
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 2: the way guys keep jobs and the way guys lose jobs.

1083
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 2: You know in most dysfunctional organizations, like well, do they

1084
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 2: like you or do they not? And you could argue

1085
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 2: that's a lot that's true for a lot of professions.

1086
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 2: It's like do the people like you or do they not?

1087
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 2: Because they're like, yeah, this guy doesn't p that well.

1088
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 2: We all know these people in different industries, but like, ah,

1089
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:04,840
Speaker 2: he's well liked by the boss. Guy that owns a

1090
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:07,440
Speaker 2: company fucking loves this guy. Guys, they get rid of

1091
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 2: him yesterday, no one would notice. But he's he's a

1092
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:12,680
Speaker 2: made man in this company. It's kind of similar

1093
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 1: The volume