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Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody. Welcome to move the sticks DJ Bucky together. Buck.

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Speaker 1: It has been a few days since the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna have a jam packed episode today where we're

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Speaker 1: gonna look at the top of the draft. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: So we're actually gonna start with running backs today and

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Speaker 1: dig into some of these draft running back prospects that

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Speaker 1: we're gonna be talking about here for the next few months. UM.

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Speaker 1: We also have some news that's just come down on

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Speaker 1: But I would be remiss if I didn't start this

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Speaker 1: off by saying, now that you've had time, you know,

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Speaker 1: we recorded the podcast right after the Super Bowl. Now

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Speaker 1: that you've had time to let this whole thing sink in. UM,

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Speaker 1: take aways for the future, anything that you've taken away

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Speaker 1: now after having watching that game, and maybe a big

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Speaker 1: Uh An athlete a quarterbacks world, meaning that I'm not

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Speaker 1: to perform in this league. When you think about what

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Speaker 1: I think we need to lump the quarterbacks into two

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Speaker 1: a big time back, we've got a great defense. So

429
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Speaker 1: let's go get people to understand the run game and

430
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Speaker 1: let's try and pulverize people. Now that means that we

431
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Speaker 1: don't maybe we wouldn't be as dependent on a superstar

432
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Speaker 1: type quarterback. I don't thin Aaron Rodgers wants to come

433
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Speaker 1: their hand and all off thirty five times a game.

434
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Speaker 1: But but Ryan Tannehill could come in there and do that.

435
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Speaker 1: And and maybe it's another veteran Jimmy Garoppolo, who else

436
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Speaker 1: who we're not thinking of, But almost looking at these

437
00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:47,399
Speaker 1: moves almost makes it look like, Man, I don't know

438
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Speaker 1: if this is going to be a QB dependent team.

439
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Speaker 1: And I don't think they feel like the way they're

440
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Speaker 1: formulated that they should be a QB dependent team. Yeah,

441
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Speaker 1: because I think what happens if you pour all into

442
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Speaker 1: the quarterback like they people are speculating, right, yeah, what

443
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Speaker 1: what have if the quarterback gets banged up? But what

444
00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:04,160
Speaker 1: if the quarterback is an ogial quarterback? But Aaron Rodgers,

445
00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:06,160
Speaker 1: Now what you do when he retires after a year

446
00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:09,159
Speaker 1: or two. If you're trying to build a sustainable model

447
00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:11,479
Speaker 1: and it's gonna drive people crazy, you have to have

448
00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:15,719
Speaker 1: something that has a run foundation to help the quarterback. Now,

449
00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:17,960
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean that you have to be fifty fifty.

450
00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:21,040
Speaker 1: I mean you can be sixty forty fifty five when

451
00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:24,320
Speaker 1: it comes to pass run uh distribution. But you saw

452
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Speaker 1: you still have to be able to run the ball

453
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Speaker 1: in the postseason. And when you run the ball or

454
00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:30,840
Speaker 1: just have the hint or the threat of the run,

455
00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:34,520
Speaker 1: it creates bigger opportunities in the passing game. You just

456
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Speaker 1: look at look at what Jalen Hurst was able to

457
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Speaker 1: do with the philadepl Eagles. Look at how others brought

458
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Speaker 1: Freddy Jumps into a run heavy team and has a

459
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Speaker 1: lot of success throwing the ball. Life is just made

460
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Speaker 1: easier when you can do it. And they already have

461
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Speaker 1: weapons on the outside that can give them. Garret Wilson

462
00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:51,200
Speaker 1: getting busy, a lot of more can get busy on

463
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Speaker 1: the outside. The running game should be the foundation because

464
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Speaker 1: you want to run it, play defense and have complimentary

465
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Speaker 1: quarterback play where you can make en up to take

466
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Speaker 1: advantage of the things that people are doing the stuff

467
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Speaker 1: you're no doubt um. Alright, So some interesting coaching hires

468
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Speaker 1: we'll see as we're recording this right now. Arizona has

469
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Speaker 1: has not announced their new head coach, but it looked

470
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Speaker 1: like that Gannon was going to have a good shot

471
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Speaker 1: at that the defensive coordinator from the Philadelphia Eagles, but

472
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Speaker 1: as of right now, that has not been decided. So

473
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Speaker 1: we will see what happens going forward with that gig

474
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Speaker 1: as well as this quarterback carousel. It's getting ready to

475
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Speaker 1: kick off. All right, we're gonna take a quick break

476
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Speaker 1: back when we come back. We're gonna jump into the

477
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Speaker 1: top ten in this draft, and we're also going to

478
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Speaker 1: look at the running back position, which is very well

479
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Speaker 1: stacked as we head towards the NFL Draft. Will be

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Speaker 1: back right after this. All right, buck, let's jump into

481
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Speaker 1: this here, top ten as we look at it right now,

482
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Speaker 1: Let's go through these teams a little bit, just a

483
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Speaker 1: quick thought and we can go through this, spend a

484
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Speaker 1: ton of time on this, but just kind of an

485
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Speaker 1: initial thought on on where they could be leaning position wise,

486
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Speaker 1: what could make some sense for him. Here we art

487
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Speaker 1: with the Chicago Bears, who have the first overall pick

488
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Speaker 1: with offensive line needs, edge, rusher needs UH and it

489
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Speaker 1: looks to me like this is a team that's gonna

490
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Speaker 1: have a chance to get out of here, and I'll

491
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Speaker 1: be shocked if they don't. You really think they'll be

492
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Speaker 1: able to get out of there? I think yeah, so,

493
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Speaker 1: so that that would be the big thing. Let's let's

494
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Speaker 1: say they don't get out I mean, obviously you want

495
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Speaker 1: to get out of your Ryan Poles because you want

496
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Speaker 1: to address some of those needs that you have, Like

497
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Speaker 1: you want to continue on with Justin Fields as your quarterback.

498
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Speaker 1: You want to make sure that you build the kind

499
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Speaker 1: of team that they need um to build. Uh, you

500
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Speaker 1: didn't hit it right on Chase Claypool, But I think

501
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Speaker 1: this has to be one where you gotta fix your

502
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,920
Speaker 1: defensive head coach comes from a defensive background. It has

503
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Speaker 1: to really infuriate, infuriate him that he wasn't able to

504
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Speaker 1: play the style of defense that he wants but that

505
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Speaker 1: he's used to. You lose Robert Quinn, you don't have

506
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Speaker 1: Roquan Smith, and so I think they gotta get someone

507
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Speaker 1: that can impact the game right away. We've talked about it,

508
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,159
Speaker 1: like whether it's Jalen Carter or Will Anderson, it has

509
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Speaker 1: to be someone disruptive. I whisk you towards Will Anderson

510
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Speaker 1: just because I think he is a guy that can

511
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Speaker 1: be a guy that gives you double digit stuff. All right,

512
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Speaker 1: we've got the bill. By the way of jumping in

513
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Speaker 1: here too, a cap off our previous conversation with some

514
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Speaker 1: live live information on Jim Ursay, who's letting it all

515
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Speaker 1: out here at his press conference says the Alabama guy

516
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Speaker 1: doesn't look bad. I'll tell you he's talking about Bryce Young. Obviously, uh,

517
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Speaker 1: Colts would likely to trade up or say is openly

518
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Speaker 1: saying it all there you go. That was a tweet

519
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Speaker 1: from Rim Morrow, who's a does a good job covering

520
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Speaker 1: the league. So he's just kind of throwing his two

521
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Speaker 1: cents in there. We'll see. I mean that would kind

522
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Speaker 1: of go the opposite of what we were talking about

523
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Speaker 1: the the guys historically that uh um that that your

524
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Speaker 1: head coach has been around. But I'd also say, you know,

525
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Speaker 1: this is a you know, I believe Shane Styken is

526
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Speaker 1: the CIA guy. Bryce Young as a CIA guy, so

527
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Speaker 1: same agency. He's going to know him, you know, inside

528
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Speaker 1: and out, know everything about him. Yeah, I will say

529
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Speaker 1: this or Bryce. You know, we talked about the character

530
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Speaker 1: and the football character and all this stuff. Look, he's

531
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Speaker 1: gonna check off all the boxes and when it comes

532
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Speaker 1: that the only concern that you you really really had

533
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Speaker 1: is the slender frame and the size, and you have

534
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Speaker 1: to account for that like it. That's the thing, because

535
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Speaker 1: we haven't necessarily seen anybody with that stature playing the

536
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Speaker 1: league in a long time. And the dudes that have

537
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 1: played there were slender like that, like they get beat up,

538
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Speaker 1: and so I think that's the big thing, and we

539
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Speaker 1: can interview it, we can put him out there, but

540
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Speaker 1: you know what, you will not know what he's going

541
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Speaker 1: to do until he has his opportunities. Very similar to

542
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Speaker 1: the conversation in a different way that people have with

543
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Speaker 1: DeVante Smith being outside because he was thin and all

544
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Speaker 1: this other stuff, and so you just have to see

545
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Speaker 1: what works. All right, We're gonna get to Houston here

546
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Speaker 1: with the second pick, and this is gonna tie back

547
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Speaker 1: to Chicago. If you're Chicago, not only are you hoping

548
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Speaker 1: that Houston, Indy and uh in Carolina all like a quarterback.

549
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Speaker 1: You're hoping especially Houston and Indy because ideally you don't

550
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Speaker 1: want to go beyond four. You're hoping they like the

551
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 1: same guy. Yes, you're hoping that. Um, everyone is vying

552
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Speaker 1: for that. And then you know you auction it off.

553
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Speaker 1: You know see what, Houston, you don't fall back far.

554
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 1: You know, you drop back one, you still get the

555
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 1: guy that you want when you drop back the four. Yeah,

556
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,399
Speaker 1: I guess a little dicey in terms of who you

557
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 1: want and which one you're selling for and that's why

558
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:14,440
Speaker 1: to be important in these meetings as we kind of

559
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,359
Speaker 1: lumped these guys in clusters, and I won't go beyond

560
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 1: this because we'll miss out on this kind of player.

561
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Speaker 1: And but Chicago, I mean they have all the cards. Uh,

562
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Speaker 1: I don't know that. I don't know anybody's done this.

563
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,360
Speaker 1: I don't know anybody's done this. Buck, But is there

564
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Speaker 1: a scenario when we look as we look at this

565
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 1: right now and say Chicago goes to Houston, right, so

566
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Speaker 1: they just flipped one and two and then you get

567
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Speaker 1: Carolina who wants to get ahead of Indianapolis, and then

568
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Speaker 1: to double trade you go from one to two and

569
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Speaker 1: then you go from two to nine, which is a

570
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:50,439
Speaker 1: pretty good way to travel. But have a war chest.

571
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Speaker 1: I'm trying to think the Philly do something like that

572
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Speaker 1: when they twice, but I don't know that back back twice. Yeah,

573
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Speaker 1: I mean it'd be a chance to if you talk

574
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Speaker 1: about I mean you have to be confident in your

575
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 1: scouting department, but if you feel like, hey, we have

576
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 1: a lot of needs and we need to really uh

577
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 1: get as many lottery tickets as we can, that is

578
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 1: a way to think about to continue to kind of

579
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,639
Speaker 1: keep dropping down there. And it also depends when you

580
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 1: look at the past Russian market or whatever. How many

581
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,439
Speaker 1: guys do you believe our top ten type talents? You

582
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 1: know where you don't want to fall out And they

583
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,159
Speaker 1: would never say this, but it's also a hedge with

584
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Speaker 1: Justin Fields and that you go into next year. Potentially,

585
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Speaker 1: if you did this, you would have Houston their first

586
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Speaker 1: round pick next year, which Houston has not been good,

587
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,160
Speaker 1: and you could have Carolina's first round pick next year.

588
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 1: Who's you know, we'll see new new staff coming in

589
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 1: there as well as your own. You'd have three ones

590
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,640
Speaker 1: next year potentially, you know, two or three of them

591
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,120
Speaker 1: could be high ones. And we've talked about the quarterbacks

592
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 1: that are gonna be out there next year. So it

593
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 1: buys you time on Justin Fields. Hopefully he continues to

594
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 1: grow and develop. If not, boy, you're in a good

595
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 1: quarterback draft next year and you've got a lot of ammunition. Well,

596
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Speaker 1: I mean, I think we always talk about the copycat league,

597
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 1: people who look at how Howie Roseman has been able

598
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 1: to manipulate the draft the last couple of years to

599
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 1: always ensure that he has two first round picks. It

600
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 1: gives you so much flexibility to either take two really

601
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 1: good players or to always kind of kick the can

602
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: down the road, to put yourself in a position to

603
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 1: always have leverage to move up or down, or kind

604
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 1: of like parlay at however you want to parley to

605
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Speaker 1: make sure that you get blue ship players. Yeah, I

606
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: think this is one of the things that if your

607
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 1: Ryan pols, you certainly have to explore it. You have

608
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 1: to talk about it. You have to figure out what practically,

609
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Speaker 1: what does this look like if we did do this,

610
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Speaker 1: what would it look like, What kind of player would

611
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Speaker 1: we get, and what kind of draft haul will we

612
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 1: get when it came to extra capital um to fortify

613
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 1: the squad. Yeah, so you know, we'll see, uh what

614
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Speaker 1: Houston ends up doing here. They're obviously be shocked if

615
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Speaker 1: they do anything other than take one of these quarterbacks

616
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 1: there at number two. We get to Arizona at three.

617
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray is gonna be a while before he's back.

618
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Speaker 1: But you you look at their needs, I think they

619
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Speaker 1: probably go defense here. You can look on the offensive

620
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 1: line as well, but I think edge rusher, corner, those

621
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 1: are two spots you would look at. Again, they could

622
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: be a team that they might be trying to get

623
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Speaker 1: something in next year's draft as well. You know, we'll

624
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 1: see how this Kyler Murray contract is going to age, um,

625
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 1: but they might be a team interested in acquiring future

626
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: assets in this thing. Yeah. Look, it's it's one of

627
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 1: those things where we talked about the draft because one

628
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 1: of the things that one of the conversations that normally

629
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Speaker 1: happens in draft rooms is we're not gonna talk about

630
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 1: this year's class, but we look ahead to what is coming.

631
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Speaker 1: You know, good teams always aware of what's on the horizon.

632
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 1: You know, we talked about years ago being able to

633
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 1: know that Trevior Lawrence was coming because he was a freshman.

634
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Speaker 1: You still talked about, Okay, well you want to be

635
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 1: a position in that draft where after junior year he

636
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 1: might be the generational talent that you go after or whatever.

637
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 1: It is just an example, and so it's the same

638
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 1: thing your your road scouts have been on there. They

639
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 1: know what what what's out there, and so maybe it

640
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 1: is an opportunity where you have a better class. We

641
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 1: can vaguely allude to the quarterbacks they could be in

642
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 1: fl A next year. Um, one of those guys is

643
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 1: at my arm and another one of those guys is

644
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: out here in the West Coast where I'm residing, and

645
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 1: so you have an opportunity to look at those guys

646
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 1: and forecasts and project and see who else is there,

647
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 1: because it might be a better class with more what

648
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 1: we call prototypical franchise potential at that position. So Arizona,

649
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 1: you know, we'll see what they end up doing their indie.

650
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 1: We've already talked about them up at the top of

651
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 1: the show. Then we get to Seattle, who owns Denver's

652
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: pick the fifth pick Um edge Rusher interior offensive line

653
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 1: as well, could be an area they look. I look

654
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 1: at Scarronsky as somebody from Northwestern who could slide inside

655
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 1: and be ready to play. Think about adding him with

656
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 1: the Drockie tackles Buck from from last year that played

657
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 1: really well. So when you look at at Cross and

658
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:47,719
Speaker 1: Lucas and know what the job they did, now all

659
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you take Scronsky and you throw him

660
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 1: in that mix. You've got three young guys, three cheap,

661
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 1: controllable starters for quite some time. That's a great nucleus

662
00:30:55,800 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 1: to to build a round up front in the Seattle seas. Uh.

663
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 1: Really a fortunate Geno Smith played better than anyone anticipated.

664
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: So now it kind of puts uh you in a

665
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 1: situation where you don't have to you don't have to

666
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 1: rush to get that franchise quarterback right now at the

667
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 1: top of the board. You can look at some other positions,

668
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 1: whether it's the offensive line, as you talk about maybe

669
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: building on the strength. Hey let's make a dominant offensive

670
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 1: line so we can move people, push people, run the football,

671
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: or finally finding someone that can mand that edge rush position.

672
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 1: And remember, I mean, I know Pete has evolved his

673
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 1: defense a little bit, but you know, you kind of

674
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 1: when they were at their best, they had a heavy

675
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: handed guy like Red Bryant kind of at one end.

676
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 1: They had a light guy on the other side, so

677
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 1: you could do some different things. Yeah, they need a

678
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 1: power player, they need someone who can be a difference

679
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: maker on the edges, and sitting there five, there could

680
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 1: be a guy sitting right there form that could do that. Yeah,

681
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 1: they've got some interesting players on that defense, some young

682
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 1: talented players, but continue to add to it would not

683
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,719
Speaker 1: be a surprise there at Detroit. It feels like, you know,

684
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 1: I wouldn't rule out quarterback even though you've got golf there.

685
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:03,239
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know if they feel like he's

686
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 1: gonna be their long term long term For me, I

687
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 1: think he's plenty good enough for the time being. I

688
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 1: would continue to build up the rest of this roster,

689
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 1: and I would look probably, you know, you're looking on

690
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: the defensive side of the ball, Buck, you know, corner,

691
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 1: defensive tackle will be a couple of areas keep an

692
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 1: eye on. Yeah, this team is just seem as solid.

693
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: They have to continue to build on the defensive side

694
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: of the ball. Aeron Glynn did a really good job

695
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: playing a bunch of young guys, but they need more

696
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 1: uh eight Hutchins and James Houston, young guys that pop.

697
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 1: But I feel like they need someone on the inside

698
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: that can be a handful, somebody that can absolutely take

699
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 1: over the game from inteside out. They need more speed

700
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 1: throughout their defense and whether it's corner, safety, lineback, or whatever.

701
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: So the board is wide open for the one thing

702
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 1: that we do know, offensively, they've been able to put

703
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 1: it up. And part of the reason they've been able

704
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: to put points up is because the quarterback is playing

705
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 1: really well and they were able to retain Ben Johnson,

706
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 1: so that the error was definitely pointing up for Detroit

707
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: one of the best young offensive lines in the NFL.

708
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,479
Speaker 1: They've got backs, they've got a couple of receivers, including

709
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: they'll have a healthy Jamison Williams for all seven team

710
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 1: next year, which will be a big edition with Amuras well.

711
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: So there's Detroit, we get to Vegas at seven. Uh,

712
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: they're very much, you know, in the quarterback market unless

713
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: there's a veteran come in their way that we don't

714
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 1: know about at this point in time, or they're gonna

715
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: commit to jared' Stidham. Offensive tackle has been something they

716
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 1: needed to address. That right tackle spot has been a

717
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: sore spot for quite some time. And corner again, this

718
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 1: is the kind of a theme when you're kind of

719
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 1: going through these teams, but corner corner. All these teams

720
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 1: need corners, man, and it's a good corner draft. But

721
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna see these corners. We can see

722
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 1: a run on them earlier than you think. You know.

723
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: The big thing would be, do we view any of

724
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: these corners like we viewed sauce like the corners. No,

725
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: let me answer that, because because really good players, I

726
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 1: haven't seen this, So then where do we go at seven, man,

727
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: the dude has to be a Jailien Ramsey type. When

728
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 1: you look at the history of the guys that have

729
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 1: gone up in the top ten, the game changes the

730
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 1: difference makers. And so if you're the Raiders, you have

731
00:33:56,520 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 1: to find a quarterback. And given this situation, do they

732
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 1: want their young, cheap, ricky contract at quarterback to build

733
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 1: up the rest of the squad. And when you're sitting

734
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 1: there seven, do you have the luxury you're being able

735
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: to wait patiently and just say, hey, whatever quarterback, it

736
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: follows us to seven, We're good. There are a lot

737
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 1: of teams in new quarterback from one to seven, and

738
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're going to get one of

739
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: those marquee guys. Uh, if you're sitting there seven, you

740
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 1: don't make an aggressive move up. Yeah, I mean it's

741
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: a it's a good group of corners. Um, I can

742
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 1: throw you out some of the names here. Um, when

743
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: when you look at Weatherspoon from Illinois, who's undersized, but

744
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 1: it's a great player. You've got the bigger corners and

745
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:39,280
Speaker 1: Gonzalez and Porter, Um, you've got Branch who's really a nickel.

746
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: You know, that's a good group of guys. I think

747
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: you can see all those guys end up going in

748
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: the top twenty UM. But you know, again, how early

749
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: is It's too early? Is it? I almost feel like

750
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 1: in this draft, where there might not be as many

751
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 1: premium players, that you might see more need based picks

752
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 1: uh than than in in some other years. Well, the

753
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 1: other thing is you talk about in this draft where

754
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 1: maybe not the the high end guys, but really solid

755
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 1: when we talk about day to the second and third

756
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 1: round players and so what does that mean as it

757
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: relates to the draft. Maybe I fall out and see

758
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 1: if I can get extra picks in the second and

759
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: third round so I can double up and take multiple

760
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: corners or do those things. I think the big thing

761
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,879
Speaker 1: this year what is scary about the classes? You want

762
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 1: to make sure that the player that you take in

763
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: the first round is really a first round player. The

764
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: thing that crushes you if you take a second or

765
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 1: third round player in the first round and he plays

766
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 1: up to his great dat is man, that's hard to

767
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 1: get away from because now you have these expectations of

768
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 1: a guy being a first round player and you know

769
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:40,399
Speaker 1: that he doesn't have the talent with the skill set

770
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 1: to make an immediate impact, and it kind of puts

771
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 1: an albatross around your squad for the next four or

772
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 1: five years because the first round is are your foundational pieces,

773
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 1: and so you're just gonna make sure you grade the

774
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,800
Speaker 1: players right and make sure that look where you're taking

775
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 1: them matches with what they're going to be able to

776
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,040
Speaker 1: do at the next level. Are the Atlanta foul and

777
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,839
Speaker 1: are picking eight? Um? You know, we'll see if they're

778
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 1: comfortable with Desmond Ritter going forward or whether or not

779
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 1: they could be as a sneaky quarterback team. Um, you

780
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 1: look at some other spots they could go. They need

781
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,879
Speaker 1: another wide receiver, obviously they move on from Ridley. Um,

782
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 1: get another one to compliment Drake London would make a

783
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: lot of sense. Um. You know, again, it's is that

784
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:20,840
Speaker 1: too early to take a white out in this draft?

785
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 1: You know, I really like Jordan Addison from USC But

786
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: that's again I could see how people say it's a

787
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 1: little it's a little early. Ironically, Jordan Addison's kind of

788
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 1: has some Calvin Ridley, you know type ability. They're not

789
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: that dis similar as players. Yeah. The thing about like

790
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,359
Speaker 1: Jordan Addison and I have to continue to do more.

791
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: I felt like I saw a different play at Pitt

792
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 1: versus s C. And I don't know if he's just

793
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 1: like the competition level or a different thing. I thought

794
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: I was gonna see a different play. He's smooth, he's

795
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: super fluid. Um. I didn't feel like he was dynamic

796
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: in terms of burst in those things. And some of

797
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 1: that might have been the offense that he's playing in

798
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 1: a se I just didn't feel like he fought. When

799
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:01,839
Speaker 1: I looked at Zay Flowers sometimes and once again competition matter,

800
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 1: I felt like he popped, like you know. And so

801
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: it'll be interesting to see where these wide receivers go.

802
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 1: And I feel like it's different between you know, Quinn

803
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:14,720
Speaker 1: Johnson and you know Jesson Smith Nick where those guys

804
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,839
Speaker 1: in jig but like where those guys go and how

805
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 1: they look like. But it's funny only Johnson is kind

806
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: of like this supersize wide receiver. All these other guys

807
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 1: are kind of more like the Justin Jefferson types in

808
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:30,359
Speaker 1: terms of height five in the six ft right around there,

809
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,879
Speaker 1: more of your normal size whiteouts. Uh So you don't

810
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:37,399
Speaker 1: get the the big strike zone expander, you get more

811
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 1: of the route runn of the craftsman type playmaker. So

812
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 1: when you when I did this, as I just I'm

813
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 1: more control these wide receivers I haven't watched yet. So

814
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 1: I pump all the wide receivers that are going to

815
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 1: combine and the PFF ultimate and then I'll watch all

816
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: their targets through that. But then I can also sort

817
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 1: you know, their stats, which is uh, you know, which

818
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: is helpful as you go through it. So when you

819
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 1: put in all those combine wide receivers, buck, and then

820
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: you look at their drop rate right which you know

821
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: it's not just drop passes because maybe you've got thrown

822
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,399
Speaker 1: and the other guy only got thrown forty balls. So

823
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: you go off of drop percentage when you put all

824
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 1: of those guys in, which is fifty guys I have

825
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 1: in this thing, UM, and you go through and you

826
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,439
Speaker 1: look at their drop percentage, pulling it up right now

827
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: second here, So yep, you pump all that in UM

828
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 1: one two three. So Quentin Johnston of those fifty receivers

829
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,839
Speaker 1: is sixth with a ten point seven percent drop rate.

830
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: Not great, that's not great. So let me give you

831
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:39,919
Speaker 1: a little insight. I heard this, sorry, ten point five

832
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,879
Speaker 1: ten point five percent. Well, I've I've heard this I've

833
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 1: heard this from Bill Poli and Bill Polian said, look,

834
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,399
Speaker 1: if you if you're gonna drop the receiver, the number

835
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,280
Speaker 1: one thing you can make sure you can do is catch.

836
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 1: I mean like that. It sounds simplistic, but you have

837
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: to get that is a significant number of drops. And

838
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: so when you have a guy that is dropping like that,

839
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: you have to almost bake into the game plan. Hey man,

840
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:03,720
Speaker 1: I know we're gonna throw it to him. He drops

841
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 1: a couple like, we just gonna have to kind of

842
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,800
Speaker 1: be He's gonna have to be a high volume target

843
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 1: guy to be able to get the production that we

844
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: want out. That's significant, though, ten first thing I'm doing,

845
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 1: and that's that's what that's you know, that's one of

846
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 1: the things you got to work through. And then I

847
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 1: think you have the ghost of Kevin White. Heightweight, speed,

848
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 1: same conference, inconsistent hands, not a big route tree guy.

849
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 1: Um So then again, I'm not saying that's who he is,

850
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 1: but I'm just saying that's the ghost that he's got

851
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 1: a DJ you know what I'm doing. You know what

852
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 1: I'm doing, Like I have these these flashbacks and memories.

853
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 1: So we were in Carolina, my buddy, and now we

854
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 1: used to talk about, like we sometimes I might be

855
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:40,800
Speaker 1: a bit of a disruptor in the draft meetings, right, Okay,

856
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 1: we used to talk about I think I may want

857
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:44,839
Speaker 1: to throw a grenade to day. I may just want

858
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 1: to blow it the meeting. So that little that little

859
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 1: stat that you have, like if you know we're in

860
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 1: the wide receiver thing and you know that we might

861
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 1: just say, hey, you know this number PFF says that,

862
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 1: uh he is six in drop percentage or whatever. So

863
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 1: the first thing that's gonna happen is the O C

864
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 1: and the wide receiver coach will be like, hold on

865
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 1: because they're ultimately the one that's gonna be accountable if

866
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,399
Speaker 1: he goes out there and he drops some passes when

867
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 1: he comes to the camp. So, um, that is significant,

868
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 1: and so it's one of those things that you have

869
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 1: to work through. So just kind of keeping in mind

870
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 1: working off that. Jordan Addison's drop percentage at USC and

871
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 1: he got a good number of targets there, three point

872
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 1: so out of the fifty, so he's you know, the fourth,

873
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: he's number four in terms of the preferred number. When

874
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 1: you're looking at the drop number one in terms of

875
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 1: the preferred number. Well, it's it's justin Shorter from Florida.

876
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 1: He was in the East West running. Yeah, and then

877
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 1: Smith and Jigba didn't have any drops by mean he

878
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:57,359
Speaker 1: barely played this year. Yeah, that's it. Charlie Jones, who's

879
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 1: a high volume guy at Purdue, and then your guy

880
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 1: Josh Hounds, and then Jordan Addison. So Josh Downs and

881
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 1: Jordan Addison probably the guys. I think that that's a

882
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 1: meaningful number for considering the number of targets they have. Okay,

883
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 1: and let me tell you what it is. And see,

884
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 1: this is why you need stats to back up the

885
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 1: film watching. So obviously Josh Downs played in North Carolina.

886
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 1: So I watched that. So here's what happens. And everyone

887
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: has this this bias or it lingers. So Josh Downs

888
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 1: Carolina is playing Georgia Tech. Uh, he has an opportunity

889
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 1: to seal the game. They throw a post corner to

890
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 1: him and he drops it. But that one drop hangs

891
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: in my mind, and so I would need I would

892
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 1: need that stat to be like, oh, like, that's that's

893
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 1: a momentary thing, that's not that's not who he is.

894
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 1: That that is a happenstance, that is an accident, that's

895
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 1: so when you say that, like, it does change it

896
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 1: because he's funny because like these guys that we're looking

897
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: at it wide receiver, a lot of them are kind

898
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 1: of I want to say, they're kind of slot only,

899
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 1: and you would I have had this conversation about little guys,

900
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 1: and so I'm trying not to get caught up in

901
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: the little guy thing. But man, it's hard because when

902
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 1: you think about being able to catch and run and

903
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,359
Speaker 1: make plays, and you need to wide receivers if you're

904
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 1: going to be a running team to block on the perimeter,

905
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 1: you kind of need bigger guys. Um, there's a role

906
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 1: for the small guy. It's hard though. It's hard because

907
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 1: you look at like Justin Jefferson isn't a small guy,

908
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, He's sure, yeah one, and

909
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:25,919
Speaker 1: neither is Jamaar Chase. I mean, you go through the list,

910
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 1: you know, like I think, I think when you see

911
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 1: what Garrett Wilson did last year, not the thickest guy,

912
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 1: skinny guy, but ultra ultra explosive, super explosive, stop star quickness,

913
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 1: got it all many and and so that's why the

914
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 1: combine and those things that workouts are important. Because you're

915
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 1: trying to sort all these guys out. And back to

916
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 1: what you said with Johnson, the first thing that I'm

917
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: doing is I want to have his vision checked. I

918
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 1: want to know, like, hey, maybe just a guy that

919
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,439
Speaker 1: needs glasses. Maybe that's why he's dropping passes. I want

920
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 1: to work him out. I want to see he does

921
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 1: he have a bad eye, like looking over one shoulder

922
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 1: compared to the other shoulder, and take him through the

923
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 1: full battery things to see how natural it is. And

924
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: that's where the combine is one thing. But the private

925
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 1: workhouse is when I can kind of figure out are

926
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 1: his drops a byproduct this guy just doesn't have good hands,

927
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 1: or is it something that is fixable that we can

928
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:14,879
Speaker 1: get it right. At the next level, he could be

929
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 1: a big winner in the off season, you know, depending

930
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 1: on getting a chance to see him run all these

931
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 1: different routes we didn't get a chance to see in college,

932
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 1: and depending on how he catches the ball, you know,

933
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,919
Speaker 1: so that'll be interesting to see. Uh, well, you get

934
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 1: a get a grin on your Facebook. I got a

935
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 1: grin because here's the here' thing. So, um, we talked

936
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 1: about big twelve wide receivers and this guy isn't in

937
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 1: the Big twelve. But the guy that I'm working through

938
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 1: is a Hyatt vert vertical. So I'm looking at the

939
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 1: offense and I'm like, man, this offense looks really familiar.

940
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 1: I think I've seen this offense. I think I've seen

941
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 1: art brows like light people up. And I'm looking at

942
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 1: I'm looking at my reports and I'm looking at Jade

943
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 1: and Hi and I'm like, man, you know what this

944
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: guy runs? Go post slant. I think I've written this

945
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,720
Speaker 1: down on somebody before. I think I've seen this before.

946
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 1: And the space is wide open. He's fast and you

947
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 1: can see the speed or whatever. But I'm like, and

948
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 1: this offense, I've seen it, and how many receivers have

949
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 1: put up numbers in that offense? But what does it

950
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 1: look like when you go into the National Football League?

951
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 1: Are they route runners? Do they have the ability to

952
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: develop a craft or do I need to peg him

953
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 1: in the right thing? And so I know we don't

954
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 1: necessarily scout the helmet, but the system does matter, particularly

955
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:27,840
Speaker 1: when you have multiple cases of people playing in the

956
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: offense like that and having succeeded in the National Football League.

957
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: So that conversation in meeting rooms will be significant. And

958
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 1: it's one of the reasons we talked about the combine

959
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 1: and private workouts. Can he run routes that are different

960
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 1: than the routes that he's been asked to run in Tennessee? Yeah,

961
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:47,359
Speaker 1: and I want again, we're I'm getting sidetracked on here,

962
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 1: but I have I have the research on the big

963
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: twelve wide receivers. By the way out, we'll do it

964
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 1: on when we get to the wide receiver, Chat will

965
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 1: do it. It ain't great, Let's just put that it

966
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 1: is not good. Um, all right, let's let's get these

967
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 1: last two team here. Carolina, we've we've already touched on.

968
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: Then that's a quarterback team, probably an aggressive team. I

969
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 1: like the hire of Jim Caldoll. They've built a nice

970
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: little quarterback cocoon there for whoever does come in there

971
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 1: to play quarterbacks. So I like that move. And then

972
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 1: Philly at ten, I mean, let's not let's not get

973
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,840
Speaker 1: crazy here. It's gonna be a defensive lineman or a corner.

974
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 1: I'll be shocked if it isn't one of those two. Yeah. Now,

975
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 1: the funny thing if you talk about corner. Now, I'm

976
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 1: interested in who's going to be the next defensive coordinator. Uh.

977
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 1: John Bannon was more of a he wanted to play

978
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:28,319
Speaker 1: his own. He wanted to put eyes on it based

979
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: on what he was exposed to. Uh. Do the Eagles

980
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 1: take their experience in Super Bowl fifty seven and say,

981
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 1: you know what we need to be able to do.

982
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 1: We need to be able to lock up and play

983
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 1: man to man. We gotta take away some of these

984
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 1: easy throws and that stuff. So how does that change?

985
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 1: Because if it changes from a philosophical standpoint, did it

986
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 1: has to change from a personnel standpoint in terms of

987
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 1: what you're bringing in, what you're looking for when you

988
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 1: evaluate the players in this class. Yep. So there you go.

989
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 1: There's the top ten. Let's jump in here and I

990
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 1: know we've gone along here, so we won't spend a

991
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 1: ton of time on these running backs. I think it's

992
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 1: a great group of running backs in terms of depth. Um,

993
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 1: you start up here at the very top. Buck and

994
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 1: Jon Robinson, I think he's one of the best players

995
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 1: in the entire draft. I think he's gonna be hurt

996
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 1: because of the sheer number of backs we have, as

997
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 1: well as the free agency group that we have. I

998
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:17,439
Speaker 1: don't think it's gonna be a big need for people,

999
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 1: and I think people are gonna say, man, when you

1000
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 1: look at the raw numbers here, we can wait and

1001
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 1: get one later. He's my fourth overall pick. He very

1002
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,760
Speaker 1: much belongs in the discussion of some of the elite

1003
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 1: backs we've seen enter this league. UM for the last decade.

1004
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 1: He is really really gifted. UM. But after him, I've

1005
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 1: got Jamir Gibbs from Alabama, UM next, whose ultra dynamic, explosive.

1006
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 1: I was talking to a scouting buddy of the day

1007
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 1: compared him, you know, to what Reggie Bush ended up

1008
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: being in the NFL. He thought that Jimir Gibbs could

1009
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 1: kind of be that type of a player. Oh man,

1010
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 1: that's that's that's high praise. But he is terrific DJ. Like,

1011
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:53,919
Speaker 1: I can't stop, I can't stop watching him. I'm looking

1012
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 1: at my notebook and right now the first note that

1013
00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 1: I have big play machine like he just he just

1014
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:05,760
Speaker 1: puts them out his quickness, his burst, super explosive, stop start, quickments,

1015
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:09,320
Speaker 1: excellent receiver out of the backfield ball skills and routes. Yeah.

1016
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:10,840
Speaker 1: So if you talk about that and the thing with

1017
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 1: Reggie Bush, man, you can imagine how good Reggie Bush

1018
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 1: would be in this. I know this is he needed

1019
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 1: to be right now this era. He would he would

1020
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 1: he would have warned him out. But yeah, rig Gibbs

1021
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 1: is it is crazy. I have a great grade on him.

1022
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think the sweet spot for all the

1023
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 1: running backs continues to be what has been second or

1024
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:32,240
Speaker 1: third round of where you should get your running backs.

1025
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:34,319
Speaker 1: I know people say later to me, second or third

1026
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 1: round is a sweet spot to get a good enough player,

1027
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 1: a good player Breeseaw, Kenneth Walker, all those guys were

1028
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 1: second round picks. Get a good player without paying like

1029
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 1: marquee prices for the position. Yeah, and there's some you know,

1030
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 1: there's some some facts with some size too. Then you've

1031
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 1: got this undersized cluster of guys. It's gonna be some

1032
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 1: interesting clusters to look at. After those two guys there,

1033
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 1: I've got a cluster with the exact same grade on one, two, three, four.

1034
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 1: I've got four guys kind of in this next group,

1035
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 1: which is I've got Charbonnet from U. C. L A

1036
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 1: in there, uh Abenaconda from Pitt who I really like,

1037
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 1: has got a ton of He's got juice. Man, he's

1038
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 1: a fun one to watch. Um Kendre Miller from TCUs

1039
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 1: two h twenty pounds. Uh, Taj Spears from Tulane who

1040
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 1: we saw at the Senior Bowl, who was outstanding. So

1041
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 1: those guys are all on that cluster to me, and

1042
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 1: that's gonna be a group I'm trying to figure out

1043
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 1: as we go through the spring. But again those are

1044
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:32,919
Speaker 1: to me, those guys are second round, maybe even into

1045
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 1: the third round. You're gonna get those guys. You know,

1046
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 1: one of those guys is going to be there in

1047
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 1: the third round, which is a really good group. Yeah,

1048
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: it is a good group. Is funny because Spears is

1049
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:44,439
Speaker 1: another one super electric with the ball in his hands.

1050
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 1: I mean you just watch him, man, he just goes

1051
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 1: and he he gets it done. Two hundred and four pounds.

1052
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 1: And then the conversation that we had uh while watching

1053
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl about Devon h Chain from Texas and

1054
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 1: m who like you better make sure like when you're

1055
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 1: watching all the running backs that you understand because I

1056
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 1: went from watching a bigger get back to watching him

1057
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:06,799
Speaker 1: and he looked like he was in fast forward the

1058
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 1: entire time that I was watching the tape. The issue

1059
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 1: that you have five, which is really light. There's not

1060
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: a lot of guys with that profile they're having success,

1061
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 1: doesn't doesn doesn't play well um in the league. And

1062
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 1: so you look at that and I'm like, it's so

1063
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 1: crazy because I'm like, man, he's playing style is reminiscent

1064
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:26,799
Speaker 1: of Dalvin Cook, but his size is not that. And

1065
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 1: so you gotta make sure when you take those guys,

1066
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 1: all right, what is the right value for taking a

1067
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 1: guy like that? Because all take man, his feed is

1068
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: is significant, it's impactful, but the size is a real consideration.

1069
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 1: This next little clump, for me, I really like and

1070
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 1: I think if you're gonna say where would you try

1071
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:45,359
Speaker 1: and target it back? For me, it's the fourth round,

1072
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 1: because I think one of these guys is going to

1073
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 1: be there in the fourth round, and Buck, I'd be

1074
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 1: happy with any of them. And that is Tank Bigsby

1075
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:55,839
Speaker 1: from Auburn, Zach Evans from Old Miss, Eric Gray from Oklahoma,

1076
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 1: Ibraheim who's got some injuries. He might get him much

1077
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 1: later than he's got injuries, and he's undersized. He is

1078
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 1: a great player, and I don't know what the shelf

1079
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:05,959
Speaker 1: life is gonna be on him. But you talk about

1080
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 1: running load of the grounds five oh seven four two

1081
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 1: hundred and three pounds. He he hates to be tackled

1082
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 1: more so than any running back in this draft. This

1083
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 1: dude hates to be tackled. He's he's a fun one. Um.

1084
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 1: You've got the other back from Texas. There's two U

1085
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 1: twenty five pounds in Roshan Johnson. You got Dwayne McBride,

1086
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 1: who we talked about the other day from U. A B.

1087
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 1: Who I think is maybe one of the more natural

1088
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 1: runners in the whole class. Just vision balance feel kind

1089
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 1: of reminds me of David Montgomery. Uh, you know, you

1090
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 1: think about Jamal Williams and he was coming out of

1091
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 1: B y U. Those guys just kind of appreciate the

1092
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 1: whole game, but not gonna wow you with any type

1093
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 1: of you know, top speed or burst or juice. And

1094
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 1: then lastly, Kenny McIntosh, who's one of the best receivers

1095
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 1: coming out of the back of that's a that's a

1096
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:46,799
Speaker 1: lot of guys, man. One of those guys, several a

1097
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 1: couple of those guys are gonna be there in the

1098
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 1: fourth round. Some of them are gonna sneak into the

1099
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,840
Speaker 1: fifth round. And that's the sweet spot. Yeah, that that

1100
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 1: is uh the sweet spot. And you just think about

1101
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 1: the position, you think about being able to sort him out,

1102
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 1: and you think about the league kind of transition to

1103
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 1: one where everybody wants a backpack committee situation, because, um,

1104
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:09,359
Speaker 1: we talked about at wide receiver building a basketball team

1105
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 1: where you're kind of doing the same at running back.

1106
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: When you look at some of the top teams, man,

1107
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 1: it's rare that you're finding the one guy that is

1108
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 1: doing everything. You've gotta have a variety of guys that

1109
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 1: can offer different skills and kind of impact the game

1110
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 1: in different ways. And as you're looking at this and

1111
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:25,360
Speaker 1: you and you're running back coach and run game coordinator

1112
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 1: are getting together, is how do we want to stack

1113
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 1: the toolbox to make sure we have exactly what we

1114
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 1: need for all of the situations that we want to

1115
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 1: play these different backs. And then you've got so I

1116
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,800
Speaker 1: put the three smaller backs together in a little cluster.

1117
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 1: So I'm you know, if you're doing a board and said,

1118
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 1: you know what we want one of these change of

1119
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 1: pace guys. Um, to me, you talked about a chain

1120
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 1: like he's he's in that on his own, his that category,

1121
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:51,319
Speaker 1: and I put him in there. Um with my my

1122
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:53,880
Speaker 1: man from East Carolina, Keaton Mitchell who's a hundred and

1123
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:57,399
Speaker 1: eighty four pounds. He's got juice. Um, so you've got

1124
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 1: those two guys, and then duce Vaughan from from Case State,

1125
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 1: who's crazy productive. But it's little like those would be

1126
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 1: my three little guys. I mean, I feel like I

1127
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 1: feel like we just raddled through like twenty different runs.

1128
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 1: How mony backs and I mean, and so from your

1129
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 1: accus is a good player, Like there's there's a bunch

1130
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 1: of other guys, and so we talked about the position

1131
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 1: being devalued. It's devalued because of supplying. Demand to supply

1132
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 1: always exceeds the demand, and so they're kind of the

1133
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:29,760
Speaker 1: back of the bus when it comes to drafting because

1134
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 1: we don't have that same conversation with offensive tackles. You

1135
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:34,799
Speaker 1: see it off his tack you gotta grab him early

1136
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 1: because he's not gonna it's not gonna be the same

1137
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:39,319
Speaker 1: kind of player that is available late. Pass rusher, it's

1138
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:41,239
Speaker 1: kind of the same. You gotta take them early because

1139
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:44,360
Speaker 1: they won't be available late. Whereas with running back, it

1140
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 1: is kind of the last position because you know, if

1141
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 1: you if you have a good eye for what it

1142
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 1: is that you're looking for and trying to put on

1143
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 1: your team. You can find those guys later, and so

1144
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:56,319
Speaker 1: it's not a knock in terms of, hey, how we

1145
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 1: view the position in terms of importance, but it's supplying demand.

1146
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:01,319
Speaker 1: We know that we can get those guys later. And

1147
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 1: it's taken a lot of time for me to kind

1148
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:04,880
Speaker 1: of come around on that because I grew up in

1149
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 1: a uh in the scouting vaily where running backs were

1150
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:10,439
Speaker 1: valued at a premium and now it's just a different

1151
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 1: it's just completely different. That's a different game indeed, um,

1152
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:16,840
Speaker 1: but interesting to keep an eye on as we go

1153
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 1: towards the draft. Again, we'll be going through all these

1154
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 1: players and these positions as we marched towards the draft.

1155
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 1: But this was this was a fun one today. I

1156
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 1: know we went a little longer, buck, but this is

1157
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:28,840
Speaker 1: this's our time of year, man. I mean I like that.

1158
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 1: I like having these conversations. Like to me, this is

1159
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:32,919
Speaker 1: this is what it's about. When were talking about mood

1160
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:36,320
Speaker 1: of sticks in the draft and scouting, having these conversations,

1161
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 1: because he's the conversation that we have not only in

1162
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 1: the meeting room. If once we got a little break,

1163
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 1: a little lunch break, we'll probably be down in the

1164
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 1: lunch room talking about the same yeah. Man, all right,

1165
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:48,840
Speaker 1: well this has been fun. I hope you guys have

1166
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 1: enjoyed this hang as much as we have here. All right,

1167
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 1: until next time, we'll see you right here on moved

1168
00:53:54,280 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 1: the sticks about ut Ha. Got to love ut