Speaker 1: Welcome.
Speaker 2: It is verdict with Senator Ted Cruz Ben Ferguson with
Speaker 2: you and Senator I cannot believe this is the second
Speaker 2: Sunday evening in the last couple of months where you
Speaker 2: and I are having a conversation about another assassination attempt
Speaker 2: against Donald Trump.
Speaker 3: Well, let us start by saying, thank god, President Trump
Speaker 3: is okay, that he was not injured, that he was
Speaker 3: not God forbid killed in this assassination attempt. But at
Speaker 3: the same time, every one of us should be horrified
Speaker 3: and should be angry that for the second time in sixty.
Speaker 1: Four days, a would.
Speaker 3: Be assassin with a high powered rifle has targeted President Trump.
Speaker 3: In the first instance, the assassin got off several shots,
Speaker 3: ended up murdering one man in the crowd and injuring
Speaker 3: two others. It up hitting Donald Trump, hitting him in
Speaker 3: the ear, coming within a half inch of killing President Trump.
Speaker 3: With yesterday's attempted assassination, the details are still not entirely clear.
Speaker 3: More will come out in the days and weeks ahead,
Speaker 3: but what we do know is yet another assassin with
Speaker 3: a high powered rifle with a scope was there, presumably
Speaker 3: intending to murder, to assassinate Donald J. Trump, and he
Speaker 3: got within three hundred to five hundred yards from the
Speaker 3: President with a high powered rifle. The Secret Service saw
Speaker 3: him intercepted him. The early reports are that the Secret
Speaker 3: Service fired and they now have a suspect in custody,
Speaker 3: so the President wasn't harmed. But for this to happen twice,
Speaker 3: twice in sixty four days is an incredible indictment of
Speaker 3: the secure that is being provided right now to President Trump.
Speaker 3: The decisions on the security are made by political appointees.
Speaker 3: They're made by Alejandro Majorcas, the Secretary of Homeland Security.
Speaker 3: They're made by the acting head of the Secret Service,
Speaker 3: and presumably they're made by some combination of Joe Biden
Speaker 3: and Kamala Harris. And despite now two assassination attempts, one
Speaker 3: with shots fired, the other thankfully prevented, we think before
Speaker 3: shots could be fired, the Secret Service leadership is still
Speaker 3: not doing what it takes to protect President Trump. Now.
Speaker 3: I get that Alejandro Mayorcus is not going to vote
Speaker 3: for Trump. I get that Joe Biden and Kamala Harris
Speaker 3: are not, but elections in America should not be decided
Speaker 3: by some jackass with a gun shooting your opponent, and
Speaker 3: you want to talk about affronts to democracy. That this
Speaker 3: administration continues to fail to provide the security that is
Speaker 3: needed to President Trump is utterly and completely unacceptable. And
Speaker 3: whether you like Donald Trump or whether you can't stand
Speaker 3: Donald Trump, you ought to be outraged that this keeps
Speaker 3: being allowed.
Speaker 1: To happen, no doubt.
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Speaker 2: You look at how we got to the point where
Speaker 2: we're here now, and I think it's really important that
Speaker 2: we look back retrospectively at how we got here. It
Speaker 2: first started when they wanted to get rid of Donald Trump,
Speaker 2: and there was not one, but two impeachment.
Speaker 1: The first one was a coup attempt.
Speaker 2: They tried to overthrow the will of the voters by
Speaker 2: saying that Donald Trump colluded with the Russians off Adossia,
Speaker 2: that the Democratic Party knew was a lie, the FBI
Speaker 2: knew was a lie. It was paid for Hillary Quinton's
Speaker 2: campaign in the Democrat National Committee. When that didn't work,
Speaker 2: they moved on to another impeachment. And when that didn't work,
Speaker 2: they said, okay, we're going to go to law fare.
Speaker 2: Four indictments against Trump, thirty four victions, ninety one charges.
Speaker 2: None of that worked so far. The man's still standing.
Speaker 2: So what's left You just take him out? Not one now,
Speaker 2: but we're talking about two assassination attempts. This should scare
Speaker 2: the hell out of every American that this is where
Speaker 2: we are with the left in this country.
Speaker 3: It's truly horrific. And before we get into how this was,
Speaker 3: why this was allowed to unfold, and what the security
Speaker 3: failures were, let's just start with assessing what happened yesterday.
Speaker 3: And I want you to listen to Sheriff Rick Bradshaw
Speaker 3: as he described what happened yesterday and what exactly transpired.
Speaker 1: All right, I'm thirty.
Speaker 4: This afternoon call came out shots fired, that was called
Speaker 4: in by the Secret Service. Because we're in constant contact
Speaker 4: with them all the time, we were notified to that
Speaker 4: and we had units here that immediately sealed off the area. Fortunately,
Speaker 4: we were able to locate a witness that came to
Speaker 4: us and said, hey, I saw the guy running out
Speaker 4: of the bushes. He jumped into a black Nissan and
Speaker 4: I took a picture of the vehicle and the tank,
Speaker 4: which was great. So we had that information our real
Speaker 4: time crimes that are put it out to the license
Speaker 4: plate readers and we were able to get a hit
Speaker 4: on that vehicle on I ninety five as it was
Speaker 4: headed into Martin County.
Speaker 3: We got a hold of Martin.
Speaker 4: County Sheriff's office alerted them and they spotted the vehicle
Speaker 4: and pulled it over and detained the guy. After that,
Speaker 4: we took the victim.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: The witness that witnessed the incident took flew him up
Speaker 4: there and he identified as the person that he saw
Speaker 4: running out of the bushes that jumped into the car.
Speaker 4: Now in the bushes where this guy was is a
Speaker 4: eight K forty seven style rifle with a scope, two
Speaker 4: backpacks which were hung on the fifths that had a
Speaker 4: ceramic tile in him, and a go pro which he
Speaker 4: was going to take pictures of him. So those are
Speaker 4: being process right now. The Secret Service agent that was
Speaker 4: on the course and did a fantastic job. What they
Speaker 4: do is they have an agent that jumps one hole
Speaker 4: ahead of time to where the president was at and
Speaker 4: he was able to spot this rifle barrel sticking out
Speaker 4: of the fence and immediately engage that individual, at which
Speaker 4: time the individual took off. So that's what we know
Speaker 4: about the investigation. We have somebody in custody right now
Speaker 4: that is a potential suspect. We got a little bit
Speaker 4: more to work to do on it, but as we
Speaker 4: usually do, as soon as we decide that, we're going
Speaker 4: to book him into the county jail.
Speaker 3: And the charges that he's going to be.
Speaker 4: Booked into we'll get those to you and we'll get
Speaker 4: a picture of them, and we'll get you his background.
Speaker 4: So now I'm going to turn it over to the
Speaker 4: representative of the Secret Service and he's going to make
Speaker 4: brief statement.
Speaker 2: Let's just stop there. And what I heard was, basically,
Speaker 2: this is another miracle. He didn't have the protection he needed.
Speaker 2: He's a guy that is out there playing golf one
Speaker 2: fairway on a golf course, on a par fourst three
Speaker 2: hundred plus yards. So that basically means if you've ever
Speaker 2: played golf and you're on the tea box, you're looking
Speaker 2: down the fairway and you see somebody up by the green,
Speaker 2: that's how close the shooter was from what we understand
Speaker 2: of the president. And if you want a perspective on
Speaker 2: proximity with a high priorate rifle with a scope, this
Speaker 2: is not that far. Goes back to the shooting. We
Speaker 2: saw the assassination tiple last time, and they're like, yeah,
Speaker 2: if you get in the tree line, like it's basically
Speaker 2: lucky the draw if we see you or we don't
Speaker 2: see you, because we just got a guy that goes
Speaker 2: one the hole ahead and just kind of looks around
Speaker 2: and we got lucky today.
Speaker 1: That is unacceptable on so many different LEAs.
Speaker 3: Yet again, a shooter with a high powered rifle and
Speaker 3: a scope was able to get close to the president.
Speaker 3: In this instance, the reports we've heard are that he
Speaker 3: was between three and five hundred yards away. Now, three
Speaker 3: to five hundred yards is not a terribly difficult shot
Speaker 3: for a trained sniper, according.
Speaker 1: To public reports.
Speaker 3: Do you know the longest recorded sniper shot that has
Speaker 3: been reported.
Speaker 1: I'm going to guess it's over a mile or out
Speaker 1: a mile, so it is over a mile.
Speaker 3: The longest reported sniper shot is three eight and seventy
Speaker 3: one yards. In other words, ten times as far as
Speaker 3: this sniper was. Now that was that is that, there's
Speaker 3: another one that was reported at three thousand and seventy
Speaker 3: nine yards, And then they're a whole number of ones
Speaker 3: that have been recorded and confirmed in excess of one
Speaker 3: thousand yards. Now, those are world class snipers, those are
Speaker 3: military snipers. But it's worth noting we know there have
Speaker 3: been multiple reports of the nation of Iran has hired
Speaker 3: hit men to kill Donald Trump. You would think a
Speaker 3: military that is trying to murder someone, they wouldn't just
Speaker 3: get someone off the street. They would get a trained
Speaker 3: sniper from three to five hundred yards. You don't have
Speaker 3: to be a world class sniper to hit a target,
Speaker 3: particularly if you're able to brace the gun and take
Speaker 3: time and aim, which presumably this shooter would have been
Speaker 3: able to do. Now, as with Butler, Pennsylvania, I want
Speaker 3: to praise the individual Secret Service agents who are protecting
Speaker 3: Donald Trump in Butler, Pennsylvania, the ones immediately surrounding them
Speaker 3: when the shots were fired, they leapt up there, put
Speaker 3: their bodies in harm's way. They got President Trump out
Speaker 3: of harm's way after he had been shot, and they
Speaker 3: demonstrated great heroism in the moment. In this instance, the
Speaker 3: early reports are the Secret Service agent spotted the sniper
Speaker 3: rifle in the bushes, in the shrubbery, and there may
Speaker 3: have been gunfire exchange. We don't know the exact details
Speaker 3: right now, but their intervention prevented that sniper presumably from
Speaker 3: getting a clean shot and possibly murdering President Trump. But
Speaker 3: the question to ask is how on earth does this
Speaker 3: keep happening? And you know, one of the things the
Speaker 3: sheriff said there that is important. He said that the
Speaker 3: reason that there was not complete perimeter protection was because
Speaker 3: Trump is no longer the sitting president, and as a result,
Speaker 3: the Secret Service has given him dramatically scaled down protection
Speaker 3: to what they would have given him if he is
Speaker 3: the president. Ben I am right now calling on Joe Biden,
Speaker 3: who is theoretically still the commander in chief, to today
Speaker 3: order the Secret Service to give Donald Trump full presidential
Speaker 3: protection right now to attempted assassinations in sixty four days,
Speaker 3: two failures by Secret Service for having woefully insufficient personnel.
Speaker 3: If President Trump wins in November, less than two months away,
Speaker 3: he will instantly get full presidential Secret Service protection on
Speaker 3: election day. Given that fact, and given the threats and
Speaker 3: the failures we have seen, the only reasonable and rational
Speaker 3: thing to do is assigned President Trump right now a
Speaker 3: full presidential detail that includes the perimeter coverage so that
Speaker 3: you can't get a sniper that close. And if Joe
Speaker 3: Biden doesn't do it, and by the way, if Kamala
Speaker 3: Harris had any sense at all, she would join in
Speaker 3: the call to do this. If Kamala Harris had sent
Speaker 3: she'd stand up and say, I want to win at
Speaker 3: the ballot box. I don't want my opponent murdered. We
Speaker 3: need to make sure he has the protection he needs.
Speaker 3: I don't think she'll do that, but it would be
Speaker 3: unquestionably the right thing for her to do.
Speaker 2: It's interesting that you mentioned this and you call for this.
Speaker 2: It does seem like it's common sense. But if you
Speaker 2: go back to the sheriff Rick Bradshaw, he was asked
Speaker 2: a question about this perimeter and like, how the hell
Speaker 2: can someone get so close? I actually don't blame him,
Speaker 2: and I want to be clear about this. He's just
Speaker 2: answering the question. Honestly. I really like the honesty and
Speaker 2: what seemed like a total transparency from him, where he's like, look,
Speaker 2: if you can get in the bushes, like you can
Speaker 2: get in the bushes, you're hard to see. He's basically
Speaker 2: saying like we got lucky today. And then he's asked
Speaker 2: about the perimeter, like how can someone get so close?
Speaker 2: Listen to what he said.
Speaker 4: Well, you got to understand the golf course is surrounded
Speaker 4: by shrubbery, so when somebody gets into the shrubbery, they're
Speaker 4: pretty much out of sight, all right.
Speaker 3: And at this level.
Speaker 4: That he is at right now, well, he's not the
Speaker 4: city president. If he was, we would have had this
Speaker 4: higher golf course around him. Well, because he's not. The
Speaker 4: security is limited to the areas that the Secret Service
Speaker 4: deems possible. So I would imagine that the next time
Speaker 4: becomes at a golf course, they'll probably be a little
Speaker 4: bit more people around the perimeter. But the Secret Service
Speaker 4: did exactly what they should have done. They provided exactly
Speaker 4: what the protection should have been, and their agent did
Speaker 4: a fantastic job.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's being honest, like, hey, we're not giving
Speaker 2: the guy what he needs because he's not the president.
Speaker 2: He's not given complete perimeter protection. I'm just being honest
Speaker 2: with you. The security is limited to the areas of
Speaker 2: the Secret Service deemed possible. So that's the key word
Speaker 2: that goes back to your point the sheriff saying, the
Speaker 2: security quote is limited to the areas that the Secret
Speaker 2: Service deems possible. So what they're saying is you can
Speaker 2: get within three hundred yards, two hundred yards, four hundred
Speaker 2: yards of the president at any given time as a sniper,
Speaker 2: and we hope we see you before you shoot.
Speaker 3: Look, that's just completely unacceptable, and we've seen now twice
Speaker 3: in sixty four days, the risks that are attended to it.
Speaker 3: The Secret Service in Butler Pennsylvania. There were massive failures.
Speaker 3: But you know I'm not the only one pointing that out.
Speaker 3: Last week, Senator Richard Blumenthal, who is Senator Bloomenthal is
Speaker 3: the chairman of the Committee on Permanent on Permanent Investigations
Speaker 3: of the Homeland Security Committee, and he held a press
Speaker 3: conference in Washington, d C. On Bloomenthal Dick Bloomenthal is
Speaker 3: a Democrat. But I want you to listen to just
Speaker 3: how dismayed he was and how shocked he was about
Speaker 3: how badly the Secret Service leadership failed with the Butler
Speaker 3: Pennsylvania attempted assassination.
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Speaker 2: to Richard Blumenthal in his own words, and this was
Speaker 2: again before the second assassination attempt.
Speaker 5: I think the American people are going to be shocked, astonished,
Speaker 5: and appalled by what we will report to them about
Speaker 5: the failures by the Secret Service in this assassination attempt
Speaker 5: on the former president. But I think they also ought
Speaker 5: to be appalled and astonished by the failure of the
Speaker 5: Department of Homelands and Security to be more forthcoming, to
Speaker 5: be as candid and frank as it should be to
Speaker 5: them in terms of providing information. And we are going
Speaker 5: to absolutely insist on the truth and the whole truth
Speaker 5: in documents and testimony as members of the United States Senate,
Speaker 5: but also as citizens.
Speaker 6: What did you learn new today when.
Speaker 5: I'm not going to go into what we have learned
Speaker 5: in specifics. I'm giving you my reaction, and we will
Speaker 5: have a report very very soon that I think will
Speaker 5: absolutely shock the American people, or it should, about the
Speaker 5: lapses and lags in the protection that was afforded that
Speaker 5: day and the breakdown in communication, failure and responsibility.
Speaker 6: Is the coming today or tomorrow?
Speaker 5: I'm sorry?
Speaker 6: Is they have a report coming out tonight or tomorrow?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 7: Do you think?
Speaker 3: I mean?
Speaker 7: Is there a level of urgency to get this information
Speaker 7: out as soon as possible because of the void that's
Speaker 7: being filled with conspiracy theories about what happened on that day?
Speaker 5: That is a really critical question. The failure of the
Speaker 5: Apartment of Homeland Security to be more forthcoming fuels the
Speaker 5: conspiracy theories that have no basis in fact. If government
Speaker 5: officials fail to be factual and forthcoming, the Petri dish
Speaker 5: for the virus of untruth and conspiracy theories is made
Speaker 5: all the richer. We have an urgency, we have an
Speaker 5: imperative to get the facts and make them public, all
Speaker 5: of them, as soon as possible. I cannot say more
Speaker 5: passionately how urgent I feel this mission is because the
Speaker 5: American people need and deserve to know the truth, even
Speaker 5: if it's embarrassing, because the way to avoid these kinds
Speaker 5: of catastrophes in the future is to have the truth
Speaker 5: made known to American So then, and do you feel.
Speaker 7: The Secret Service has made the necessary adjustments immediately given
Speaker 7: the fact that we are at the height of a
Speaker 7: presidential campaign with so many different protectores under their charge.
Speaker 2: Let me just say this to everybody listening. Listen carefully
Speaker 2: to what he says in response to that answer, because
Speaker 2: and I want people to just really focus on this,
Speaker 2: because clearly he has been sold at Billa Goods.
Speaker 1: Listen.
Speaker 5: I am satisfied that the Secret Service had made improvements
Speaker 5: that provide much stronger safeguards, and that it is knowledgeable
Speaker 5: about the lapses that occurred, the failures that contributed to
Speaker 5: this assassination attempt being as close as successful as it was.
Speaker 5: I think the procedures, the protocols, and the practices have
Speaker 5: been improved. We'll see whether we're completely satisfied with him,
Speaker 5: because we're only beginning to learn about how the Secret
Speaker 5: Service is doing things differently.
Speaker 3: Senator spoiler alert were not completely satisfied with them.
Speaker 2: Senator, I can't believe I'm going to sit here and
Speaker 2: say this, But I actually think Blimenthal may have just
Speaker 2: been sold to Bill of Goods and he was lied
Speaker 2: to about a secret service. He thinks change, things have
Speaker 2: changed and they're adequate now, but now after the second
Speaker 2: assassination attempt, clearly they're they're not. And and did the
Speaker 2: Secret Service just straight apply to him?
Speaker 3: Well, I don't know. I don't know what is what
Speaker 3: Blumenthal's investigation uncovered. He said there's a report coming out.
Speaker 3: I hope it comes out now, very very soon. I
Speaker 3: agree with what he said about the urgency of getting
Speaker 3: information out. Look, it is my view that one of
Speaker 3: the major drivers in these lapses is is partisan bias.
Speaker 3: Is the fact that that the Biden, Harris white House,
Speaker 3: and Alejandro majorcis they they don't like Trump. They don't
Speaker 3: want to give him the recognition of of having the
Speaker 3: security that that that that he needs. These these are
Speaker 3: the same people that repeated and refused to provide any
Speaker 3: Secret Service protection to RFK Junior, despite the fact that
Speaker 3: it was clearly merited there and and and so I
Speaker 3: would be surprised if Blumenthal's report focuses on the partisan
Speaker 3: bias of the political appointees I think that is a
Speaker 3: major factor in leading them to make decisions that have
Speaker 3: left President Trump woefully underprotected. But listen, all of these
Speaker 3: questions were clear two months ago, and I want to
Speaker 3: because it feels a little bit like Groundhog Day. You
Speaker 3: and I did this on another Sunday night with another
Speaker 3: assassination attempt, and just following that, the acting Director of
Speaker 3: the Secret Service testified before the Senate Judiciary Committee, and
Speaker 3: I questioned him, and you know what striking is is
Speaker 3: just about every single question I asked him two months
Speaker 3: ago remains entirely salient today and even more so now
Speaker 3: that this has happened twice. So I want to go
Speaker 3: back and let's listen again to that cross examination. This
Speaker 3: is the acting director of the Secret Service, shortly after
Speaker 3: the first assassination attempt on President Trump in Butler, Pennsylvania.
Speaker 3: Mister Row, thank you for being here. I agree with
Speaker 3: what you said at the outset that the individual Secret
Speaker 3: Service agents demonstrated remarkable personal courage putting their bodies in
Speaker 3: between the line of sight of the shooter and the president.
Speaker 3: That being said, the bravery of the line agents is
Speaker 3: quite different from the decisions of Secret Service leadership. Secret
Speaker 3: Service leadership committed catastrophic security failures, indeed the worst security
Speaker 3: failures for the Secret Service since nineteen eighty one, since
Speaker 3: the attempted assassination of President Ronald Reagan. It is incumbent
Speaker 3: upon this committee to determine why those security failures happened.
Speaker 3: Just after the shooting, Secret Service put out an official
Speaker 3: statement from your spokesperson that says, there's an untrue assertion
Speaker 3: that a member of the former president's team us at
Speaker 3: additional security resources, that those were rebuffed. This is absolutely false.
Speaker 3: In fact, we added protective resources and technology and capabilities
Speaker 3: as part of the increased campaign travel tempo.
Speaker 6: Was this tweet accurate with respect to Butler, Pennsylvania? It
Speaker 6: is accurate, sir.
Speaker 3: It is accurate that the Trump team had not asked
Speaker 3: for additional security and had not been rebuffed.
Speaker 6: If you're talking about Butler, Pennsylvania, all assets requested were approved.
Speaker 6: If you're talking about the media reporting of assets requested,
Speaker 6: there were times when assets were unavailable and not able
Speaker 6: to be filled, and those gaps were staffed with state
Speaker 6: and local law enforcement tactical assets.
Speaker 3: So I'm reading from the Washington Post, July twentieth, twenty
Speaker 3: twenty four, Secret Service said to a denied request for
Speaker 3: more security at Trump events. The opening paragraph, top officials
Speaker 3: of the US Secret Service repeatedly denied requests for additional
Speaker 3: resources in personnel sought by Donald Trump's security detail in
Speaker 3: the two years leading up to his attempted assassination, according
Speaker 3: to four people familiar with the requests. Is that right
Speaker 3: that repeatedly the Trump detail asked for more resources and
Speaker 3: repeatedly Secret Service leadership turned that down.
Speaker 6: That is not accurate. Senator assets are requested. There's a
Speaker 6: process that has made.
Speaker 3: How many requests did the Trump team or the Trump
Speaker 3: detail ask for?
Speaker 6: I can get you that number in a Q.
Speaker 3: You don't know now, so I can speak to the ones.
Speaker 6: That reported in the Washington Post and we can go
Speaker 6: through them if you like.
Speaker 3: But you don't know how how many requests there were.
Speaker 6: In general, how many requests since twenty twenty one that
Speaker 6: the former Trump detail has made a requests for asking You've.
Speaker 3: Had two weeks you had a spokesperson put something out
Speaker 3: that is false on its face. By the way, did
Speaker 3: you approve this statement when it went out?
Speaker 6: I don't know if I did or didn't say.
Speaker 3: Has this spokesperson? Is he still employed to he still
Speaker 3: have still so he lied on behalf of the Secret Service.
Speaker 3: He's still has a job. Did your predecessor, the former director,
Speaker 3: does she approve the statement? Senator?
Speaker 6: Our comms team they send out statements, they do deconflict them,
Speaker 6: and they put them out.
Speaker 3: Did she approve this statement? I don't know if she
Speaker 3: did or did not. And you don't know if you
Speaker 3: did either.
Speaker 6: I don't recall approving it, Senator.
Speaker 3: Will you commit to provide this committee in writing every
Speaker 3: written request for additional resources from the Trump campaign or
Speaker 3: the Trump Detail and every response from Secret Service?
Speaker 6: Senator, I will commit to providing responses and getting you
Speaker 6: the information that you are seeking.
Speaker 3: Me ask you something, and who makes the decision to
Speaker 3: those requests? Did you make that decision?
Speaker 6: Which requests are you talking about the ones that written
Speaker 6: a lot in the post?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 6: The processor is that a detail will make a request
Speaker 6: for either staffing technical assets. That is handled between the
Speaker 6: field office and the d detail. It goes up to
Speaker 6: a logistics office between Okay.
Speaker 3: So there's a bureaucracy. Is there a decision maker? It's
Speaker 3: not a bureaucracy, Sator, it's the person that's the decision
Speaker 3: maker is there one.
Speaker 6: Senator, it's a conversation. It's not just an absolute yet.
Speaker 6: So let me tell you what I believe.
Speaker 3: I believe that the Secret Service leadership made a political
Speaker 3: decision to deny these requests, and I think the Biden
Speaker 3: administration has been suffused with partisan politics. Did the same
Speaker 3: person who denied the request for additional security to President
Speaker 3: Trump also repeatedly deny the request for security to Robert F.
Speaker 3: Kennedy Junior, whose father was murdered by an assassin and
Speaker 3: whose uncle was murdered by an assassin. Did the same
Speaker 3: person make that decision? Senator?
Speaker 6: What I will tell you is that secret Service agents
Speaker 6: are not political.
Speaker 3: Okay, you're not answering my you know what leadership by
Speaker 3: the president, leader kep appointed by the president is political.
Speaker 3: I have a simple question, yes or no? Did the
Speaker 3: same person deny the Trump requests that also denied the
Speaker 3: RFK request. That's a yes or no question, Senator.
Speaker 6: That is not a yes or no question.
Speaker 3: One.
Speaker 6: There was a process for a candidate nominee to receive protection?
Speaker 3: Is there a by Cameron?
Speaker 6: Does a bike style body artisan process that they.
Speaker 3: By cameral bipartisan process? What can candidate not in Congress.
Speaker 3: I don't have a cameral.
Speaker 6: Mister Kennedy submitted a request that was referred over to
Speaker 6: the Sea Pack.
Speaker 3: Okay, you're refusing to answer the question. Let me ask
Speaker 3: because the failures on that day were catastrophic. By the way,
Speaker 3: is it true that on the day of the of
Speaker 3: the Butler event that Secret Service transferred agent for President
Speaker 3: Trump to the First.
Speaker 6: Lady H No, sir, that's not true.
Speaker 3: That's been widely reported. It's not true.
Speaker 6: There was one airport agent that actually went on the
Speaker 6: MAMPI request for the Trump detail. They handled the arrival
Speaker 6: at the airport.
Speaker 3: What is the relative what was the relative size of
Speaker 3: the Trump detail compared to the detail that is assigned
Speaker 3: to the president of.
Speaker 1: The First Lady?
Speaker 3: Senator?
Speaker 6: The former president travels with a full shift just like
Speaker 6: the president.
Speaker 3: What's the red so the exact same size? Is that
Speaker 3: your testimony that the President Trump had the same size
Speaker 3: detail that President Biden has.
Speaker 6: On the day of in Butler, the agent surrounding him.
Speaker 6: It is the same number of agents surrounding the president today.
Speaker 6: There is a difference between the sitting president who also not.
Speaker 3: Only and you're using president in a way that is
Speaker 3: not clear. Is it your testimony that in Butler, Pennsylvania,
Speaker 3: Donald Trump had the same number of agents protecting him
Speaker 3: that Joe Biden has at a comparable event.
Speaker 6: I'm telling you the shift, the close protection shift surrounded. Yes,
Speaker 6: or you asked me, Senator, and I'm trying to answer it.
Speaker 3: You are not answering it. Is it the same number
Speaker 3: of agents or not?
Speaker 6: Senator, there is a difference between the sitting president of
Speaker 6: the United States, and.
Speaker 3: What's the difference?
Speaker 6: The difference two x three x five national command authority
Speaker 6: to launch a nuclear strike?
Speaker 3: I'm not ever assets how many more? I will wait
Speaker 3: the president. That's a former. Well, you were refusing to
Speaker 3: add a number of secret servers. Stop interruption, Stop interrupting me,
Speaker 3: go ahead, refusing to answer clear and direct questions. I
Speaker 3: am asking the relative difference in the number of agents
Speaker 3: between those assigned to Donald Trump and those assigned to
Speaker 3: Joe Biden. I'm not asking why you assign more to
Speaker 3: Joe Biden. I'm asking is the difference? Is it two X?
Speaker 3: Is it three X? Is it five X? Is it
Speaker 3: ten X? Senator?
Speaker 6: I will get you that number so you can see
Speaker 6: it with your own eyes.
Speaker 1: It's sad Senator.
Speaker 2: But this seems now more relevant than it was after
Speaker 2: the first assassination attempt. The lack of answers, and by
Speaker 2: the way, you asked these questions on seven point thirty,
Speaker 2: if I'm not mistaken, so did you ever actually get
Speaker 2: the answers to all the questions where he said I
Speaker 2: will get that for you.
Speaker 3: Nothing, nothing whatsoever. He provided absolutely nothing. I asked the
Speaker 3: Secret Service in writing. They have not responded to my
Speaker 3: questions in writing. Assume they'll do it sometime within the
Speaker 3: next century. But what he said in that hearing, I
Speaker 3: will get that information to you. We are sitting here
Speaker 3: in mid September and he has still not gotten it.
Speaker 3: And it is a sense of a complete lack of accountability. Now,
Speaker 3: look what they're doing right now is a massive cya.
Speaker 3: They're trying to cover their own rear ends. But the
Speaker 3: problem is with the senior decision making, and I believe
Speaker 3: the partisan politics that has been infused into the senior
Speaker 3: decision making. That is why I want to reiterate my
Speaker 3: call today the Biden Harris administration should announce that they
Speaker 3: are assigning a full presidential Secret Service detail to Donald J.
Speaker 1: Trump.
Speaker 3: And and by the way, let me be clear on a
Speaker 3: little a sleight of hand that the acting director tried
Speaker 3: to try to pull in that hearing. When I asked,
Speaker 3: are the same number of agents assigned or what was
Speaker 3: the relative number of agents? He said, oh, the same
Speaker 3: number of agents are in the close protective shift, And
Speaker 3: he was trying to be really clever there. I think
Speaker 3: he thought he was clever. So the close protective shift
Speaker 3: are the agents that are assigned immediately on the body
Speaker 3: of the protect tee. So I assume he was accurate
Speaker 3: that both Biden and Trump the immediate circle around him
Speaker 3: is the same number of agents. What is different is
Speaker 3: the way the Secret Service works is in concentric circles
Speaker 3: perimeters of protection.
Speaker 1: So there's a close detail of a.
Speaker 3: Number of agents around the protect tee, but then with
Speaker 3: a full presidential protection, there's an intermediate perimeter that they
Speaker 3: locked down and there's a broader perimeter. The broader perimeter
Speaker 3: presumably would have caught this sniper on the golf course
Speaker 3: who was trying to assassinate President Trump. And so the
Speaker 3: the acting director was trying to be cute by saying, well,
Speaker 3: the immediate shift, the close protective details identical, and look,
Speaker 3: everyone understands right now that there are markedly fewer Secret
Speaker 3: Service agents protecting Donald Trump than are protecting Joe Biden,
Speaker 3: which is amazing because his best I can tell all
Speaker 3: Joe Biden does is sleep on the beach in Delaware.
Speaker 3: But nonetheless we still don't know. And you know, Ben,
Speaker 3: there was a reason I did not ask at that hearing.
Speaker 3: I didn't ask the acting director how many agents were
Speaker 3: assigned to Trump, and the reason I didn't ask that
Speaker 3: and I didn't ask how many are assigned to Biden.
Speaker 3: And the reason I didn't is he would have reasonably
Speaker 3: declined to answer that that that giving that information could
Speaker 3: compromise the security that protect Tee. So I can tell
Speaker 3: you in my written questions, I have asked that specific question,
Speaker 3: how many agents? Give you the number? And I said
Speaker 3: that answer can be given as law enforcement confidential, so
Speaker 3: that it will not be made public because that shouldn't
Speaker 3: be made public. There's there's some details about security that
Speaker 3: should not be in the public domain. That's why I
Speaker 3: asked the question. I did give me the relative order
Speaker 3: of magnitude. Is it twice as many?
Speaker 1: Is it three X?
Speaker 3: Is it five X? Is it ten X? And he
Speaker 3: adamantly refused to answer that question, and to this day,
Speaker 3: he has not answered that question sooner.
Speaker 2: Finally, I want to just talk about the media coverage
Speaker 2: of this second assassination attempt, and I can't even believe
Speaker 2: that it's gotten to this point. And in fact, let's
Speaker 2: just look over the last like three days. This morning
Speaker 2: on Jensaki Show on MSNBC, you had a congresswoman that said, quote,
Speaker 2: Trump is the guy that stokes domestic terrorism. The problem
Speaker 2: isn't that people coming in but this guy. You then
Speaker 2: add MSNBC's Alex Argue quote, the Trump campaign needs to
Speaker 2: turn down the rhetoric now that Donald Trump has been
Speaker 2: shot at for the second time in three months, blaming
Speaker 2: Donald Trump for this. There's another example, and that's not
Speaker 2: enough for you. You also had people on TV referring
Speaker 2: to Donald Trump and implying that he was, you know,
Speaker 2: basically kind of like Hitler. And so this MSNBC guest said, quote,
Speaker 2: Donald Trump is exactly like Hitler. Just let's just quote
Speaker 2: it like it's supposed to be quoted. This is the
Speaker 2: rhetoric that's on TV right now. And they even say today, well,
Speaker 2: maybe Donald Trump needs to stop playing golf outside for
Speaker 2: a while, somehow implying what's his fault, He's exposing himself
Speaker 2: to assassins.
Speaker 3: Well, we are, unfortunately in a horribly divided time. But
Speaker 3: I do think that that personal rhetoric, the demonization of
Speaker 3: the left, but by the left of Donald Trump, has
Speaker 3: reached a level that we'd never seen before. And I
Speaker 3: think that kind of vicious rhetoric it it it bears fruit.
Speaker 3: People listen to the rhetoric when they hear people people
Speaker 3: describe him as another Hitler. Unfortunately, it increases the chances
Speaker 3: that some lunatic is going to act on that. And
Speaker 3: and and listen. I want to close this this podcast
Speaker 3: the way we opened by by by giving thanks to God,
Speaker 3: giving thanks that that God protected Donald Trump. Uh. I
Speaker 3: talked with you at in Milwaukee and at the at
Speaker 3: the Republican convention. How I visited with Trump right right
Speaker 3: after the shooting and Butler, Yeah, and and and he
Speaker 3: said to me there very quietly and in he just said,
Speaker 3: God saved me for a reason. And there was there
Speaker 3: was a quiet introspection about it that I would say
Speaker 3: is not typical of how President Trump behaves. And I
Speaker 3: think for the second time in just over two months,
Speaker 3: President Trump has been protected. I am grateful for that protection.
Speaker 3: I'm grateful for him, but I'm also grateful for the country. UH.
Speaker 3: To to have a presidential election decided by an assassin,
Speaker 3: decided by murder, is is the ultimate affront to democracy.
Speaker 3: It is and it is an attack at the very
Speaker 3: essence of our constitution and the rule of law and
Speaker 3: the sovereignty of the We we the people to choose
Speaker 3: our leaders, and and so you know today I'm just
Speaker 3: I'm grateful for God's protection on President Trump. And let
Speaker 3: me be clear, I'm grateful for God's protection on Joe
Speaker 3: Biden and Kamala Harris and on our leaders in both parties.
Speaker 3: You and I are both Christians, and the Bible commands
Speaker 3: us to pray for our leaders, and so I pray
Speaker 3: for our leaders, even even if I disagree with them strongly.
Speaker 3: I'm grateful for that protection. And I'm grateful for God's
Speaker 3: protection over our nation. This is a time, especially when
Speaker 3: when we need to be one nation under God.
Speaker 1: Aimen to that.
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