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Speaker 1: soft Rep Radio on time on Target. We are at

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Speaker 1: episode four hundred and seventy. I'm Dennis Jones. That's Jack Murphy.

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Speaker 1: We are very blessed to have an in studio guest

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Speaker 1: We're double dipping episode four seventy. Um, he's your friend.

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Speaker 1: I want, I want you to do the introduction. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So Miles and I go way back to range your

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Speaker 1: I was doing maritime and you were and you were

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Speaker 1: and and uh, you know, Columbia University. I think it

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Speaker 1: work and you start telling people, they're gonna think you're crazy.

424
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,040
Speaker 1: And I need to commit this guy. And I've had

425
00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:32,840
Speaker 1: other buddies go down and they they're not grounded, and

426
00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,920
Speaker 1: you push people away. So that's what coaches are there.

427
00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:40,040
Speaker 1: They come in, they ground, they ground you and um,

428
00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,280
Speaker 1: you go outside. And that's why you're around nature. And

429
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,280
Speaker 1: you want to do this around nature because the nature

430
00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,920
Speaker 1: grounds you walk in and grass everything. And you come down.

431
00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:49,320
Speaker 1: And again when I mean come down, you're not coming

432
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:53,159
Speaker 1: down from a high. You're just you're processing so much information.

433
00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:57,000
Speaker 1: Your mind is going to million miles an hour. And

434
00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:00,920
Speaker 1: after that left Costa Rica came in to the US.

435
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:06,520
Speaker 1: I had my coach uh uh Evan. We would talk

436
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,520
Speaker 1: for an hour for the three weeks after that, we're

437
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:14,040
Speaker 1: still keep in contact. Awesome guy. Uh and he just

438
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:16,240
Speaker 1: he grounded me. He And I'd tell him, hey, I

439
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,680
Speaker 1: saw this, was this mean? He's like, well, and they're

440
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 1: not trying to project, they're just you're still feelings when

441
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:25,080
Speaker 1: you come back. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, residuals. Uh.

442
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:28,480
Speaker 1: In between my first five am O and my eyebgain

443
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:32,399
Speaker 1: experience that month, I would close my eyes and I

444
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 1: would still see visions of uh, you know, the tools

445
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 1: CD and the artwork, the geometric patterns. I would see

446
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 1: stuff like that, just as as I'd be in Butler

447
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,840
Speaker 1: Library at Columbia and close my eyes and see geometric

448
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 1: patterns still and it doesn't freak you out right, like

449
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,679
Speaker 1: you don't I know what's going on, and yeah, I

450
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:53,879
Speaker 1: know it's going and it's awesome. And that's why I

451
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:55,880
Speaker 1: look at tool now differently. I was like, Wow, they've

452
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 1: done this, because there's no way you see this artwork

453
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,879
Speaker 1: and you just think this up. They've been under something

454
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 1: to see this stuff, and everybody, a lot of people

455
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 1: see the same stuff when it comes to these geometric patterns.

456
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 1: That's what's wild. And I think that plays into the

457
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,639
Speaker 1: architecture of other stuff like it's something in the human

458
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:20,360
Speaker 1: mind or something in the universe, you know, And uh,

459
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 1: that's you know. And can I'll go into that after

460
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 1: I talk about the ayahuasca experience too, and and after

461
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 1: my that weekend of Ebel game five, m oh, I

462
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 1: have a coach and they they grounding and you need

463
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,919
Speaker 1: a coach. Did somebody to talk to me like hey, this,

464
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:38,600
Speaker 1: this this, and he honestly helped me with meditating. Meditating

465
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 1: helps out too, and meditating it helps you get into

466
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,160
Speaker 1: that space as well. And some people who meditate can

467
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 1: release d m T to go back into that space

468
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 1: through breathing and stuff like that. Yeah, I'm gonna go

469
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 1: through a breathing class on the twentie in New York

470
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 1: and supposedly you can release d m T and all

471
00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 1: that other stuff. I'll let you know if you want

472
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:01,200
Speaker 1: to come. But some of these people they cannot even

473
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 1: they get away from the plants, they don't use the

474
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 1: plants anymore, and they released d m T on their

475
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 1: own through breathwork to go back into that place. Would

476
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 1: we have like Jack and I haven't done this, would

477
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 1: we like, are we gonna be able to release d MT?

478
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,120
Speaker 1: Probably not. I doubt it with that, So we gotta

479
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 1: get to Costa Rica the next year. You gotta go

480
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 1: to Costa Rica. And uh. But once you're so called

481
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 1: see the light where they say, once the bell has

482
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 1: been rung, it can never be unrung. And that's when

483
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 1: And again I was a skeptic. But everybody who goes through,

484
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,679
Speaker 1: they're like, when you start really telling them about some

485
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 1: of the stuff you see, they're like, okay. And they

486
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,159
Speaker 1: see some of the same visions too. I see somebody.

487
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 1: I've known a couple of people who've seen pyramids in

488
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:47,920
Speaker 1: their visions in the same experience. You know, So, what

489
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 1: was the difference this? What was the impact that's had

490
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 1: on your life when you came back to back to

491
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,360
Speaker 1: the United States and you're going about, you know, your

492
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 1: graduate school program or your relationships or what what was

493
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 1: the what was the impact? How did it change me?

494
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,199
Speaker 1: I know some of the guys I sent before me.

495
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:05,679
Speaker 1: One thing I noticed about the guys I sent before me,

496
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:07,679
Speaker 1: they were so happy, and I thought they were like

497
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 1: high on oat or something like, why are you so

498
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 1: have you so weird, you know, And I was kind

499
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:14,640
Speaker 1: of on the other side, you know. I was like, Man,

500
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 1: this guy's weird. You're so happy now and all this stuff.

501
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 1: I don't know why. Maybe he's on drugs or something.

502
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 1: But when I came back, I was happy. Uh no more,

503
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,399
Speaker 1: no more medication, no more. I didn't need any of

504
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 1: this stuff, nor you know, anxiety, none of that stuff. Um,

505
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 1: and I started losing weight. I didn't eat as much

506
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 1: because I didn't need the food. Because when you think

507
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 1: of there's a food addiction. I don't drink. If I

508
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,399
Speaker 1: get depressed rated, there's any issues. I don't do drugs,

509
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 1: I don't smoke, I don't drink, but I may go

510
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 1: to food food therapy. So I stopped eating as much food. Uh,

511
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 1: lost weight. It was just better. Uh. Answered a lot

512
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 1: of questions. I had peace of mind. This is why

513
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 1: I was injured overseas, you know, this is you know,

514
00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 1: I'm just keep doing what I'm doing, building networks, doing

515
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 1: all that stuff. And then that kind of it led

516
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: me to a nonprofit called hero At Carts Project. Jesse

517
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 1: Gold created it, and that's ayahuasca focused kind of. I

518
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 1: believe they're expanding the other stuff. I mean, there's a

519
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 1: million different plants. They do different stuff. Every plant has

520
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,439
Speaker 1: d MT. We all have d MT inside of us.

521
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 1: So thankfully to Jesse Gold, he invited me to uh

522
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 1: Peru Tera Poto, Peru to do ayahuasca. Uh it was

523
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,440
Speaker 1: four eight days. You do four ceremonies, only did three.

524
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,640
Speaker 1: Uh we went through the and if you do want

525
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,199
Speaker 1: to do and again. I had another coach before I

526
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 1: went down. She was her name is Jamie Lerner. Lerner.

527
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,440
Speaker 1: I butchered it. I apologize, But she's an ayahuasca coach,

528
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,640
Speaker 1: so she she's not. I don't think she's ever done

529
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,880
Speaker 1: iboger eyebo gain. She just does ayawaska. That's her thing

530
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,080
Speaker 1: she does. I was. She lived in Terra Poto for

531
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,399
Speaker 1: four years. She does all this stuff. She left corporate America,

532
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 1: went to the jungle, did her thing. Because you have

533
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:10,360
Speaker 1: this calling. And that's another thing that the natives down

534
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 1: there singing or more Westerners are having this calling to

535
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,160
Speaker 1: where they're going back to the jungle. And and that's

536
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 1: good because now the natives are like, well, maybe nature

537
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 1: is my calling. You know the West, you know, this

538
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,880
Speaker 1: western digital landscape is not where everything is like I've

539
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 1: had people in Africa tell me that anxiety is American

540
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 1: or a Western construct. Yeah. Yeah, I've heard a lot

541
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,439
Speaker 1: of these mental health issues. They think this, well, and

542
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 1: here's the thing I'll throw at you when it comes

543
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 1: to schizophrenia, schizophrenia, all this stuff, bipolar disolder personality disorder.

544
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 1: Some of the shaman and I've read up on this,

545
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 1: they think that's they see that as a positive sign

546
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 1: because they think that's somebody who can be a shaman

547
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 1: because they're communicating with spirits in another world. There's an

548
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 1: interesting book it actually had kind of a big impact

549
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 1: on me, called The Divi Itself by Rde Lange and

550
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 1: Um he was a psychologist and he he was of

551
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 1: the opinion that schizophrenia is not a mental disease, but

552
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 1: what it is is that people are unable to live

553
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: in the modern world, and so they they're like, basically,

554
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 1: it's a defensive posture that they're taking. They're inventing these

555
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 1: like false personalities to put between themselves and the horror

556
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 1: of this world we live in. Yeah, I mean, look

557
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 1: at all these kids that let's say they're they have

558
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: mental health issues, and they're like, well, this kid has

559
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 1: a mental health, he can't communicate, but he's a genius.

560
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 1: Well maybe it's us. And the shamans see that as

561
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 1: this person can communicate with other spirits. So that's a

562
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 1: they say, as a shaman and training, that's what they

563
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 1: We tend we tend to be a little dismissive and say, well,

564
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: that person is crazy. Well they're not crazy. They're just

565
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 1: living in an unlivable world. It's a very difficult place

566
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 1: that they're in. And once you get down in the

567
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: plant medicine psychedelics what they call in the West. And honestly,

568
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 1: some of these people are trying to get away from

569
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 1: psychedelics because they're trying to get this legalized, for example

570
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 1: in Oakland, so on and so forth. They they see

571
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 1: this is uh, you know, this is nature, and this

572
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 1: is normal. You're supposed to use these plants. These plants

573
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 1: were given us to use. And again going back to

574
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: the ayahuasca, going down to Prou, I had to coach

575
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 1: the same deal. She talked to me uh over the

576
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 1: phone for an hour, We did some breathwork over the phone.

577
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 1: Um and so we went down. There is a bunch

578
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 1: of veterans, special operations veterans, and I think it was filmed,

579
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 1: it's gonna be they We had a guy, a writer

580
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 1: or journalists with us who actually participated in the ceremony

581
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 1: with us, and a film guy who just took pictures

582
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 1: but he filmed some of it. And and the journalist

583
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 1: is Heinrich. I can't remember his last name. He's gonna

584
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 1: kill me, but whatever, but uh, you know, and for him,

585
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 1: it's hard to write about it. You can't write it.

586
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 1: You gotta do it. And that's why people ask, so

587
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 1: what is it? It's like, listen, everybody's experience is different.

588
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: You just gotta do it. And so that was the

589
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: best advice I can give anybody. Just go down there,

590
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 1: do it. You can go to YouTube and you can

591
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: go to the Joe Rogan stuff and you know, listen

592
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 1: to that. But it's just so subjective. Just do it.

593
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 1: So when we interviewed, uh, Jeff Nichols about it, and

594
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: he'd talked about like he experiencing God and it's like,

595
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 1: what do you mean how? But I understand it's difficult

596
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: to put that to words. Well, you know, now you

597
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 1: bring out the g man. You know. Uh, I know

598
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 1: some people that were atheist and they went through and

599
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: they're not atheists anymore. And you know, yeah, I experienced

600
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: I talked to you know, I would talk to Here's

601
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 1: this voice would come up, especially the eyebel gain and

602
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 1: he just talk all this stuff. And I was like,

603
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 1: who are He's like, God does that to you? He's

604
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 1: like yeah, you know and yeah, And I was like yeah,

605
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 1: and uh, I've heard from other parent we've had experience

606
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 1: like he had. He's hilarious and he has like this

607
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 1: this personality. But that's when that book I read about

608
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 1: the biologists who took hiyahuasca, he said that that the

609
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 1: entity he met was like making fun of him. Yes,

610
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: now that you bring that up. Yes, the guy next

611
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 1: to me who was throwing up and the first real

612
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: voice of this higher entity talking to me, God or

613
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 1: whoever you want to call it. He goes your friend

614
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: over there and having much fun? Is he? Yeah? It's

615
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 1: like no, he's not. And he goes, well, he started talking.

616
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: He's like, listen, humans are trying to be too complicated.

617
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 1: You'll need to get back to nature. Nature has all

618
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 1: the answers. You're trying to be too complicated. It's not

619
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 1: working out. You're and he just started talking about like

620
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 1: that's that's where the plants are here is to heal y'all,

621
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 1: and you need to and you just go over and

622
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 1: over about that. Uh And then when I did the ayahuasca,

623
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: he appeared again, the same entity, the same, the same entity. Well,

624
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 1: and when I was with that boogain he would change

625
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: his voice and everything. It's like, as like God is.

626
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 1: People are gonna ask questions and stuff, and you know,

627
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: and they're gonna say, it's not like, why are you

628
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 1: changing Who's He's like, I'm God, I can do whatever

629
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 1: I want. And uh so he changed his voice. I

630
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: was like, okay. So, uh so I went with ayahuasca

631
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 1: and I had more questions and that's the thing, you

632
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 1: ask questions all that. And again some of these people

633
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 1: I talked to who are atheists and everything there, they're like, yeah,

634
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 1: we're not an atheist anmore, especially after doing this, you know.

635
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: And uh so I did Iowasta. I did three ceremonies,

636
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 1: not four, because my mind got blown so much on

637
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: the first night. The shaman who is if you need

638
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 1: a need a great place to go do ayahuasca, especially

639
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 1: going to tear go to Prue Terra PoTA to Prue

640
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 1: Live Medicina. Chris Odle awesome guy. I was skeptical of

641
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: him because he's a Westerner. I thought he was a

642
00:33:58,040 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: scam and I was worried about that because somebody said

643
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: Western Peru. You know, I'll go into that. I'll go

644
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 1: into that later because that was one of my questions.

645
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 1: And Hew down a little bit. He was like, Okay,

646
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 1: you've had enough for tonight. Like yeah, my second night,

647
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: he's like, hey, he took me off and you know it.

648
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,399
Speaker 1: And that shows his professionalism because there are people out

649
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 1: there who will try to probably blow your mind to

650
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 1: take more money out of you or whatever. He was

651
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 1: strictly professional. He cared about healing you and not milking you,

652
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 1: and he was he was like, hey, this is it.

653
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: And he's also he was also kind of a coach

654
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 1: to ground you. So we all went in our first night.

655
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 1: I'd already done some stuff before that, but other people

656
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 1: had not. And my first night, Uh, I went in

657
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 1: fast because I think I already had some previous experience.

658
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: As I was. I believe I was the first one.

659
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 1: You got it. Yeah, I was open to it, and

660
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 1: I kind of knew, like, okay, so there's something something's

661
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:51,359
Speaker 1: definitely gonna happen. And I started breathing to start doing

662
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 1: breathing exercises to push it through my system. So I

663
00:34:55,280 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 1: went down and just it's just first my hand, my

664
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: hands and feet started going numb. And then Chris was like, hey,

665
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 1: that's how are you doing over there because they could

666
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 1: hear me breathing. It's like the William half breathing is

667
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: what I was doing stuff like that, And he's like,

668
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 1: I feel my hands and feet there there, you know,

669
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 1: they're going numb. And then later it came back around

670
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:20,720
Speaker 1: like how you feeling. I was like, I feel everything,

671
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 1: and then I start seeing I was in the university

672
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,439
Speaker 1: and all these colors. Is it's really like looking at

673
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 1: some of the artwork people because there are artists ayahuasca

674
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: artists who take Ayahuaska that they go under and right

675
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: when they come out they start painting what they see.

676
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: And it was like some of the artwork is I

677
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 1: was in the university, show me everything and all this stuff.

678
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 1: Now you like remember like it's not a dream, Like

679
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 1: you know when you wake up from a dream, you

680
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,280
Speaker 1: can't really remember, like you you know, I was literally

681
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 1: I could like if you came up, you could paint. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

682
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 1: you could see some of the stuff and paint it.

683
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 1: It's crazy. And so I was under and I could

684
00:35:56,719 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 1: feel myself I was loud laughing. I was laughing a lot,

685
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 1: and and with the five mm oh, i'd laugh with

686
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,280
Speaker 1: that as well. And I have and I've been told

687
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 1: I've had, you know, I don't really perge. I have

688
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 1: great experiences. Mine is more of like knowledge and information.

689
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,399
Speaker 1: That's what I get out of mind have questions. So

690
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: I started, I was late. I laid down and I

691
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: could feel myself looking my head going back and forth,

692
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 1: and I was just looking in this universe, all this stuff,

693
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 1: all these colors, news uh, and just this is so

694
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 1: beautiful you couldn't is breathtaking. And then I started just thrashing,

695
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 1: just moving around, kicking everything. And I didn't know why

696
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 1: that was, but started kicking around. But not to go

697
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 1: too much into it, because I mean, I did a

698
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 1: write up on it, because I came out and wrote

699
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:49,359
Speaker 1: everything after my whole experience. It was six pages and so,

700
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 1: and I had questions. The first night was kind of

701
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 1: just breaking me in to the ayahuasca because I boga

702
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 1: as seen as the father and ayahuasca as the mother,

703
00:36:57,920 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 1: and I boga is very jealous. It doesn't like to

704
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 1: use be used in conjunction with the ayahuasca, So you

705
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 1: have to do them separate. You can't combine. It's just

706
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 1: how nature does. It's it's not my rules, guys, and

707
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:13,360
Speaker 1: don't kill the messenger. So we're lead. Yeah, and so

708
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 1: I uh and and again in the environment. Uh, it's

709
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 1: it's not only doing the medicine. You have to have

710
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 1: the right shaman. You have to be with it's a

711
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 1: whole process and you can't break the process if you're

712
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 1: gonna cook it up in your garage. And I was

713
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 1: even told because uh, after this, I went to Zig Cafe.

714
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 1: I know I'm bounced around, but I know we don't

715
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,280
Speaker 1: have much time. And I'm trying to give you everybody

716
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,800
Speaker 1: all experience because if people do go down this road,

717
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: they know what's right and what's wrong, so there's not

718
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 1: an accident and you're not taking advantage of So I

719
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: talked to somebody else in Tarapoto, Peru who's been there

720
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:55,760
Speaker 1: while and a second opinion, and it's z I Go Cafe.

721
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 1: If you're ever there, go They're awesome food, organic everything,

722
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 1: and he can lead you to other or stuff as well.

723
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,839
Speaker 1: And his name's Arnold, and he said, some of these

724
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,240
Speaker 1: people who don't go through the process, they don't nothing

725
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,840
Speaker 1: happens to him. It's because they're not respecting the plants.

726
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: You have to respect the process, respect the plants. And

727
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: he even told me they don't even like some of

728
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 1: these hippies, these shaman because if you do ayahuasca. Again,

729
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 1: we did a study before we went in, and it's

730
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:28,919
Speaker 1: you you have to diet, no drinking, no sex, no drugs,

731
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 1: at least four or five days before you go in. Well,

732
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 1: some of these people who don't respect the process, they

733
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 1: do all this before they go in, and then they

734
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 1: don't see any visions. And it's like I didn't see anything. Well,

735
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 1: you didn't do the process. And so when I'm in

736
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 1: this environment with these other people, were in the what's

737
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:48,879
Speaker 1: called them maloca in the jungle, and with these other

738
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 1: soft veterans, and there's some international saft veterans, and you

739
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 1: hear the crickets, you hear the bugs here at nature

740
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: here everything, and we go through the process. The singing.

741
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,919
Speaker 1: There's mused again there that the shaman is saying, Chris

742
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 1: is singing and that's also to bring you back because

743
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 1: you may leave your body and you may start floating,

744
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 1: and they and it's to bring you back into your body.

745
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 1: And so again that's his experience. And when I was

746
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 1: under I didn't do it my second night because my

747
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,919
Speaker 1: mind was blown. And they're like they too, like, listen,

748
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 1: you've done too much. A plant medicine is such a

749
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 1: short amount of time. You've done a lot, so we

750
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 1: gotta ground you and bring you back. So the second ceremony,

751
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 1: I just stayed in the in the environment and didn't

752
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 1: do ayahuasca. And that like not doing it, but witnessing

753
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 1: everybody else doing it. It's you know, it's still it's

754
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,919
Speaker 1: still a powerful experience. I was still seeing some geometric

755
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 1: shapes and everything. And the last night I took ayawaska,

756
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,800
Speaker 1: but there was another guy in there and he didn't

757
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 1: take ayawaska, but he just smelled the bottle and he

758
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 1: started going back in the space and started going back

759
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 1: in and seeing ametric shapes and all this other stuff.

760
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 1: So and that's what they say. Once taiyahuasca is in you,

761
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 1: it's in you for life. The spirit. Now it can leave.

762
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:11,399
Speaker 1: You can ask it to leave, but nobody really wants

763
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 1: it to you know what I mean. Because it helps you.

764
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 1: So what's the difference between hiahuasca and the d m

765
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 1: T and the was the eiebo Gain. I mean, why

766
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:24,359
Speaker 1: would you take these different ones? There's there is there

767
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 1: one that's for treating a certain things. Yeah, they treat

768
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 1: they treat different things, and that it's they say it's

769
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 1: great to do iboga and aiahuasca iboga or eyebo gain

770
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 1: in ayahuasca because they complete each other. You got the male,

771
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: we get the female. And they say that's why it's

772
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 1: good to do. They complete, they work on different things,

773
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: and I can attest to that. I mean, it's just

774
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:49,399
Speaker 1: it was a different it's a different physical physically, it's

775
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,280
Speaker 1: a different experience. Ibo gain, you're gonna go under for

776
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 1: for a long time. Ayahuasca you do separate ceremonies over

777
00:40:55,960 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 1: separate nights. It's a longer process. So it's harder for

778
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 1: people to do because they gotta go down to like

779
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 1: Peru for for a lot of it. Um. But I

780
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 1: personally enjoyed going up down to Prue. I'm glad we did.

781
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 1: Peru is a great place, especially when you're in the jungle,

782
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,800
Speaker 1: and that's where they say, especially the shaman, the spirits

783
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: are and all that, and do we tell you the

784
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 1: story about the old sham too. So my coach uh

785
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: Evan ozmat Uh, he heard a story about there's this

786
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 1: old shaman and he they know who he's dying. It's

787
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: inevitable he's getting old. And you know that the village

788
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: was depressed, like you have all this knowledge, you're such

789
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 1: a great shaman. You know where are we gonna do?

790
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 1: And he goes, hey, it's fine. When I die, wrap

791
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:49,839
Speaker 1: me up in the ayahuasca vine and you will get

792
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: that knowledge. And the vine will go through me and

793
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 1: get my knowledge. And so when you cook the vine

794
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: and drink it, you will get that knowledge. And that's

795
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:00,320
Speaker 1: what about your wife, because I see a lot of

796
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 1: the wives to the shaman's wives stuff like that. They

797
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 1: become there in the space too. So he told her,

798
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 1: when my wife dies, planter at the bottom of the vine,

799
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:12,919
Speaker 1: and you will get her knowledge as well. And they're

800
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 1: like okay, and supposedly, and that's what happened. They did that,

801
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 1: and they got yeah, good. Yeah, they're like, yeah, it

802
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 1: sounds good. And listen, when you're when you start getting dabbling,

803
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 1: you get into this stuff. You believe it because you

804
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 1: you see this stuff, and there's uh, the spirit molecule.

805
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 1: There's a doctor. He he did a lot of different

806
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 1: tests of these people, is different studies, and everyone was like, no,

807
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 1: that happened when I went under, I saw something. It

808
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 1: is real. It wasn't a dream, is real. And that's

809
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:43,280
Speaker 1: what you see believers, you know. And and these aren't

810
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 1: in the the network different networks. I'm in their special operations,

811
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 1: So they're believers. These aren't just a bunch of you know,

812
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,839
Speaker 1: gullible idiot bunch of hippies. Yeah, there are a bunch

813
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 1: of hippies. And these are guys that have a lot

814
00:42:56,000 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 1: of strong energy and a strong ego. Yeah, and you

815
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,839
Speaker 1: know what, And here's the thing. Some guys don't want

816
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 1: to do it because it's gonna crush your ego, especially ayahuasca.

817
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:08,879
Speaker 1: It's gonna go there and crush it because it makes

818
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:13,280
Speaker 1: you feel like um or like humbles you, right it humbless,

819
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: you like you're just a spec in the universe. Yeah,

820
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 1: you're just aspect in the universe. And you know what,

821
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 1: the reason you are overcompensating. Listen, how many guys in

822
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 1: special operations went into special operations because they're insecure. They

823
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 1: want to hide a bunch of behind a bunch of

824
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 1: tabs and all this stuff. Insecurity is huge with with

825
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 1: our our community quote unquote is the insecurity. Yeah, they

826
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,839
Speaker 1: hide behind a bunch of tabs, you know, beat their chest.

827
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, they're just a child,

828
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 1: you know, hurt child deep down. Something happened in their

829
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 1: childhood and their adolescence that put them on this path. Well,

830
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 1: you go down, you do the planet Eibel, gain ayahuasca.

831
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 1: It's gonna tell you exactly what happened, and it's gonna

832
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 1: break you down. And with the ayahuasca again, I really

833
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: didn't experience much of pain, but my second night I

834
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 1: did and it was I literally I felt like I

835
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,760
Speaker 1: was I don't know, dying or transforming, but I felt

836
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,800
Speaker 1: every cell in my body was on fire. Yeah, and

837
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 1: it's an intense pain. And you know, this higher being

838
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 1: was there and I talked to him my first night too,

839
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 1: and he you know, and the second night he was

840
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 1: there too. I could call him at any point. I'm like,

841
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:23,359
Speaker 1: I could feel it coming on, this sickness and it's

842
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 1: just I didn't know if I was gonna throw up.

843
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 1: And then I started feeling every cell in my body

844
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 1: and it's just on fire, and oh my god, you know,

845
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: like what's going on? God? You know God, Like I'm scared,

846
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,399
Speaker 1: Like what's He's like, no, no, no, let go, I'm here.

847
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 1: You're okay, you need to do this. And that's what

848
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 1: they call a lot of these people they die and

849
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 1: you're reborn and you were born this new person without

850
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 1: all this baggage. So that happened, and then I started

851
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 1: talking to you know him and other stuff. And then

852
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:53,320
Speaker 1: what's weird is when everybody started coming out of their experience.

853
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 1: The candle comes on, everybody starts coming out because I

854
00:44:56,920 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 1: mean you have people in there just screaming, ah, like

855
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:05,320
Speaker 1: going like puking, like throwing up. I mean, it's loud.

856
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 1: And when everybody the candel comes on a few hours

857
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 1: later and everybody starts coming out of their experience, then

858
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 1: God was like, okay, now we work on you talking

859
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 1: about me. And then I went into it and I

860
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 1: got intensely sick again, and but it's more intense, and

861
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 1: I started like kicking around, moving around, and uh, I

862
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 1: know one of the guys there was was filming it

863
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 1: or what have you. But when he does a documentary

864
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 1: will probably Yeah, it looks like that. I could feel

865
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 1: every cell in my body just on on fire. And

866
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:41,720
Speaker 1: Chris comes over and he goes, Miles, are you okay?

867
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 1: And it was it was like it wasn't even me.

868
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 1: It's just like, yes, I'm transforming, you know, and you know,

869
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 1: and then I went into the space. I end up

870
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:54,240
Speaker 1: sleeping in there that night, and I traveled a little

871
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 1: bit and talked to him, you know a little bit,

872
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:00,760
Speaker 1: and you know, and and this godlike figure he talked

873
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 1: to me and he actually told me to thank my

874
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 1: coach Jamie. You know, he gave me messages. He's like, hey,

875
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 1: thank Jamie, and thank Evan Ozmatt. You're he led you

876
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 1: to this point and tell him. I said, thank you,

877
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,839
Speaker 1: and tell Jamie thank you for taking care of you.

878
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 1: And I told him that message, and they were like

879
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 1: after I got out of the jungle and they're like, yeah,

880
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 1: thank you, you know, like they were very appreciative, and

881
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 1: because I was, and remember I mentioned I was skeptical

882
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 1: about the shaman because he's Western. He's a white guy, right.

883
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:35,800
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, here's this food gage, this phony,

884
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:40,399
Speaker 1: you know, like you know, snake oil salesman and he's like, no, uh,

885
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: he's good. That's why I led you to him, and

886
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:47,359
Speaker 1: and he was good, dude. We had nothing but good

887
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 1: things to say about Chris. And uh and that's why

888
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,359
Speaker 1: again you got to go to Peru. I can say

889
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 1: we had a great experience with him, and go to

890
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 1: him if you're if you want to really go through

891
00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 1: the press. What was this other experience you're telling me

892
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 1: about where you went like deep into the jungle, I'll

893
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 1: go after that. That was like apocalypse now deal, you know.

894
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 1: Uh So the third night was the culminating uh my

895
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 1: third ceremony, but everybody's fourth ceremony for the most part.

896
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 1: Some people didn't go all the way through just because

897
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 1: if your mind's blown, they tried value back because Chris,

898
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 1: after you had that experience of being transformed or what. Yeah, yeah,

899
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 1: because everybody pretty much dies. It's a painful experience, the

900
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 1: whole thing. But it's when you're going through this, you're

901
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 1: bonding with everybody in there. And the last night, I

902
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 1: I couldn't get into the space and I was like,

903
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, you know, I want to blast off.

904
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 1: I want to blast off. I want to have a

905
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 1: great experience. My last night, you know, just like anything

906
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 1: else in life. He said, your last day at disney

907
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 1: World or whatever, and you want to just blow it out. Yeah,

908
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:52,800
Speaker 1: and and uh and then it just nothing was happening.

909
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:55,399
Speaker 1: And then everybody was coming out of theirs a few

910
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 1: hours later, and I was just sitting there was like, man,

911
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 1: you know, I was just laying there. I was just

912
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 1: trying to I could feel myself on the landing pad,

913
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 1: but it was just wasn't going anywhere. And then then

914
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 1: God goes again, Okay, now we work on you. Everybody's gone.

915
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 1: There's no distractions. And I went to sleep, and when

916
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 1: I woke up, I was I just every I don't

917
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 1: know if I was in my body, out of my body, whatever.

918
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 1: I could feel every cell, everything of my being was

919
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 1: electrified and I was one with nature. And then these

920
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 1: these voices start talking to me and they're like, come

921
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:34,320
Speaker 1: with us, Come with us. And I was like, oh,

922
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 1: you know this is where we go? Where are we going?

923
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 1: And uh? Then I talked because I could always summon him,

924
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 1: and I was like, who is this? Can I trust them?

925
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 1: It's like yeah, I go with them. That's nature, you

926
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 1: can trust them. And I went with them. They took

927
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 1: me to this other world. They were talking to me,

928
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:50,839
Speaker 1: and they just started telling me about everything. I talked

929
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:55,280
Speaker 1: to them about the Aztecs and all the ancients because

930
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 1: I started listening to it's a guy that comes on

931
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 1: Joe Rogan all the time, and maybe people come on here,

932
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:05,760
Speaker 1: but Graham Hancock investigates, Yeah, investigates ancient civilizations, and he

933
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:08,840
Speaker 1: takes Ayahwaska. He's in this space. I started talking to

934
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 1: them about these ancient civilizations. How is it? And every civilization,

935
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 1: every society that's built the first thing, what do they do?

936
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 1: They build a temple and you know, again talking to

937
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:22,839
Speaker 1: this higher being. He said, yeah, I talked to their talk.

938
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 1: I spoke to their leaders, and that's why they built

939
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 1: all this stuff. And then when I talk to nature,

940
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 1: they're like, yeah, God created us, and we created the

941
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 1: plants and we put the visions in the plants. And

942
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 1: that's how we speak to all these people to create

943
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 1: all these things. The aspects the INCA is the Mississippi

944
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 1: Valley with the with the Indian mounds that have the

945
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 1: temples on them and the snake mounds in Ohio. There's

946
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 1: no connection between them. But how is they build these things?

947
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 1: And they're all similar, Like, yeah, we's the visions in

948
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 1: the plants. That's how we did it. And this is

949
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 1: like a very common part of the experience that people

950
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:58,879
Speaker 1: have when they take Hiawaska, isn't it. Yeah, some people,

951
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 1: a lot of people see the same thing. I know

952
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:03,359
Speaker 1: two people there they saw pyramids and stuff. They saw

953
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 1: similar stuff. And uh, mine was just my especially my

954
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 1: last night. It was a lot of talking, a lot

955
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 1: of dialogue with this nature and they just they just

956
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 1: want to tell you about this stuff. Yeah, it's just like, hey,

957
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 1: we we want to help the humans. We created. We

958
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:23,760
Speaker 1: created the plants to help the heat to heal the humans,

959
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 1: and we wanna we want to help more humans, you know,

960
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:31,840
Speaker 1: we create the plants to heal you of everything. And

961
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 1: again it was just like what God said, you know,

962
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 1: nature has and that's what they said. I think it's

963
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 1: a God is like saying, it's like nature has all

964
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 1: the answers. It's just super interesting that the people who

965
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 1: take these plants and go through this experience that it's

966
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:51,240
Speaker 1: like a two way conversation, a dialogue that you're having

967
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 1: with this with this plant medicine. And then and then

968
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 1: there's also this other entity that's that is also inside

969
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 1: your brain, coaching you through it. And sense who said

970
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 1: you could talk to him anytime you want. I could

971
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 1: summon him at any time, and and I asked him

972
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 1: one time, It's like who are you? Who are you God?

973
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 1: It's like, I'm the universe. I created everything. That's what

974
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 1: he said. Because I hear Alex Jones, believe it or not,

975
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 1: Alex Jones and Joe Rogan. A lot of stuff he

976
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 1: said was right when it came to the psychedelics and

977
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 1: stuff and a lot of stuff. And I was like,

978
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 1: how does he know that? Well, he has a breathing

979
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 1: issue where some of these people, as I was described before,

980
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 1: with the breathwork, you can go back into space. And

981
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 1: I think that's how he knows about some of this stuff,

982
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 1: because you only know if you've been into the space.

983
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 1: And that's why I tell people. It's like when you

984
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:40,320
Speaker 1: listen to no matter what you know, a lot of

985
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 1: people come on Joe Rogan what they talk about. That's

986
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 1: true because I would I research for when is like,

987
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 1: what the hell is all this stuff? And then listening

988
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 1: to them, I was like, yeah, they they some of

989
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:53,840
Speaker 1: these people have been in the space, you know, and Uh,

990
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 1: especially when you know the guy you mentioned about God,

991
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 1: you know, he had a sense of humor, has a

992
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 1: you know, a great sense of humor, and uh, you know,

993
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 1: and I asked him about, you know, all the suffering

994
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 1: and all this, so why do you do all this?

995
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 1: He's like, it's all a test. This is all a test,

996
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:12,479
Speaker 1: you know, and uh, you know, and you know coming

997
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 1: out that last night, going to this other place and

998
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 1: talk to these other I mean, it was just a phenomenal.

999
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:20,959
Speaker 1: I've never felt an experience like that before in my life.

1000
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 1: No high, but my body was electrified. I felt every

1001
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 1: cell and I was just traveling and they were taking

1002
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:29,360
Speaker 1: me all these other places. And I went into a

1003
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 1: room where it looked like a lot of these stone

1004
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 1: statues you seeing, like fickles, a lot of ghost or

1005
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:38,279
Speaker 1: anything's like, that's what it looked like. And I was like, wow,

1006
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:41,799
Speaker 1: you know, this is phenomenal. And that's why again when

1007
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 1: people talk about the ancients, like I saw some of

1008
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 1: that stuff and I didn't even know about it. Some

1009
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:47,399
Speaker 1: of the stuff I didn't even I had never even

1010
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 1: thought about some of this stuff, and it showed me

1011
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 1: my subconscious because it's alms, like you know, people are

1012
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 1: gonna say this to my subconscious and and this being

1013
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 1: showed me my subconscious and he goes, here's your subconscious.

1014
00:52:57,800 --> 00:52:59,959
Speaker 1: Look how stupid your thoughts are? Like, yeah, they're pretty stupid,

1015
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 1: you know. And uh came out the next night, and

1016
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 1: I stayed in Tarapoto a couple more nights, just investigating.

1017
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:13,760
Speaker 1: You go into the city and it's all this artwork

1018
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 1: of ayahuasca. Artwork is beautiful. And I hang out that

1019
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,320
Speaker 1: Zygo cafe and and then that's where I found about

1020
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 1: this other uh, this, this other shaman and UH named

1021
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 1: I think as Roberto as a pull us out, Yeah Alberto,

1022
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 1: and he uh he was a healer. His grand grandfather

1023
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 1: and his father were healers. And it's just and again

1024
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:39,880
Speaker 1: with these shaman, the natives of Peru, it's just passed

1025
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:41,719
Speaker 1: down from generation to generating be doing it for like

1026
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 1: a thousand years. So I I wanted to find this

1027
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:46,319
Speaker 1: guy and see what's up with this guy, you know,

1028
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 1: like what's going on, you know. And I'm there for

1029
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 1: a few days. So I got my taxi cab driver.

1030
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:54,840
Speaker 1: We're in like rick Shaw and we're just going around

1031
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 1: and we and we go through this other town and

1032
00:53:57,760 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 1: then we go through the jungle, not far in the

1033
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 1: jone goald. But we go into like this village just

1034
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 1: like Apocalypse now or something, and uh, nobody's there, and

1035
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 1: we'll just walk around. And I'm with my taxi cab driver.

1036
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:10,280
Speaker 1: He doesn't speak any English. He's missing a lot of teeth.

1037
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 1: He's trying to give me like I think, like cot

1038
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 1: or like coca leaves or something, all the time trying

1039
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 1: to feel I was like, no, man, I'm not into that.

1040
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 1: You know, I've found my plant. And uh. So we

1041
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 1: go in and and nobody's there in this little this

1042
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:29,319
Speaker 1: and here literally huts, grass huts and stuff like that.

1043
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 1: And you could tell there's a maloca there where he

1044
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:33,799
Speaker 1: held ayahuasca. And I could tell, like, okay, this is

1045
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:37,440
Speaker 1: the spot. And so I go back behind one of

1046
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 1: these buildings and I see two guys out near like

1047
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 1: a creek, and they're they're cooking something. I go out

1048
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 1: there and I go Alberto. He's like, see he don't

1049
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 1: speak Spanish, just speak English. I don't speak Spanish, my

1050
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:52,320
Speaker 1: tax crider. So I see this guy sitting in a

1051
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 1: a uh just sitting around this white guy. I go,

1052
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:58,800
Speaker 1: h do you speak English? Like yeah, and I detected accent.

1053
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 1: He we started, he starts train. It's like I go,

1054
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 1: what who are you? And he's his name is like

1055
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:06,239
Speaker 1: you're a French. He's like yeah, yeah, yeah. And I

1056
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 1: was like, how long have you been here man? Because

1057
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:11,400
Speaker 1: he looked weathered. He's like, I've been here ten years.

1058
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 1: And uh I was like, oh my gosh, Like what

1059
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:17,319
Speaker 1: are you doing here? He's like, I'm an apprentice, like

1060
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:19,439
Speaker 1: ten years and you're still an apprentice, you know. I'm

1061
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:23,760
Speaker 1: like Jesus and uh so he just translated just talking

1062
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 1: to him and and um, you know, I just talked

1063
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 1: to him. And the mosquitoes are horrendous down there too,

1064
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:31,239
Speaker 1: and they just and his broad daylight. It's hot and

1065
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 1: they're just eating me alive. So how's this guy? And

1066
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, how are the mosquitoes not eating y'all?

1067
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 1: You know and all this stuff. He's like, hey, man,

1068
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 1: what's He just tells me you have a lot of

1069
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 1: sugar in your blood and that's why the mosquitoes and

1070
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:47,279
Speaker 1: all that stuff's attracted to it. Once you the ayahuasca

1071
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 1: gets in your blood, they don't want to eat you.

1072
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 1: They don't want to they're not attracted to you as much.

1073
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:56,799
Speaker 1: And some of these guys I've just heard you know

1074
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 1: you they call him dietas where you go into the

1075
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:02,760
Speaker 1: jungle and a shaman just feeds you ayahuasca every second

1076
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 1: day or whatever and you're just one with nature and

1077
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 1: it can be eight days long a month. This frenchman

1078
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:11,400
Speaker 1: he did a dieta is over a year long. He

1079
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 1: just went to the jungle. I was like, man, you're

1080
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 1: hardcore bro, much harder than me. And uh, I've heard

1081
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:21,360
Speaker 1: some of the shaman. You go up the river, hike

1082
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:25,239
Speaker 1: five days through a jungle and you just uh, you

1083
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:26,839
Speaker 1: see some of these shaman they'll do it for free

1084
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:28,839
Speaker 1: because they just they want to heal you. They're called

1085
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 1: healers and you can stay there a month and they

1086
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 1: just do whatever. But I hear it gets kind of well,

1087
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 1: I guess some would say dangerous. But when you're in there,

1088
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 1: you're in the area with the snakes, mosquitoes, by yourself,

1089
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 1: you're in there with nature. And some people have died.

1090
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 1: And what I've heard is some of the shamans say,

1091
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:49,439
Speaker 1: well that's their destiny. They're one there with the spirit world.

1092
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 1: Now from like the hydration and well, just you know,

1093
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:56,279
Speaker 1: snake bite or whatever, you know, something like that. Yeah,

1094
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 1: but it's they're just like, hey, that was that was

1095
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:02,400
Speaker 1: his destiny because they say, you know, there are no coincidences.

1096
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:06,320
Speaker 1: What they say, you know, it's uh, it's all a plan,

1097
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 1: that is what they say. Pretty yeah, yeah, I probably

1098
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:11,759
Speaker 1: would not be doing that, you know, I don't. I

1099
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:15,239
Speaker 1: have a feeling that's not my plan. So uh yeah

1100
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:17,160
Speaker 1: that all I can say is that it has been

1101
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 1: a great experience, all of the experiences. Uh. One thing

1102
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about because I don't like to

1103
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 1: talk about a lot, but I have noticed this trend,

1104
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 1: especially with the decriminalization in Oakland, Denverse getting in on it.

1105
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 1: It's a and Trump no matter, you know, not to

1106
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 1: get in the political set, but he just he just

1107
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 1: v a proof ketamine. That's major, major, And this is

1108
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 1: happening at light speed. And one reason I want to

1109
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 1: talk about is that I'm in these other networks and

1110
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 1: everybody's moving towards plant medicine and and somebody even say, uh,

1111
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 1: in theogen's and that's that's meant to be spiritual. And

1112
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 1: some people go to this stuff off for it's like

1113
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 1: a spiritual awakening. There's a tribe. I think it's the

1114
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 1: the Boeti tribe or something. And they live in this

1115
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 1: this uh, this area in western Africa. It's like Roman Catholic.

1116
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 1: It's not Ethiopia's Western Africa. And they they take iboga

1117
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 1: for a spiritual journey. It's part of their religion. When

1118
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 1: Easter comes around, they take a boga and they travel

1119
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 1: and they talk to this god. Uh. And it's it's

1120
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 1: similar to what again, I'm from Mississippi, so you go

1121
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 1: to the Mississippi Valley. They were monotheistic and somehow they

1122
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:40,560
Speaker 1: took some hallucinogenics and they talked to a god too.

1123
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 1: So and in America and uh, some of these places. Uh,

1124
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 1: I think there's a religion in America where they're exempted

1125
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 1: from uh the laws because this is part of their religion.

1126
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 1: It's a spiritual awakening. And that's how they pitched it

1127
00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 1: to the government. Has been approved on and I think

1128
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 1: even with some the guys who are active duty, they

1129
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 1: can get exemptions on polygraphs because it's a spiritual it's

1130
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 1: part of your religion. So I think some active duty

1131
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:13,000
Speaker 1: guys are pursuing that as well. Uh. And you know what,

1132
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 1: a more more power to them because it will make

1133
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 1: you more effective. I'm more Uh, I feel more dangerous

1134
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:26,959
Speaker 1: after doing that dangerous but a clear, concise creativity, imagination everything. Yeah,

1135
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 1: and and you go to Silicon Valley, a lot of

1136
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 1: people are doing that, especially computer programmers, because of it's

1137
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:36,920
Speaker 1: their imagination. They get more work done, and they've started

1138
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 1: micro docing and what's micro docing? Mushrooms, psilocybin m D

1139
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:43,760
Speaker 1: M A, so on and so forth. So it's just

1140
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 1: it really just once you open up this box to

1141
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 1: the plants, it just it does so many things. In

1142
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:51,840
Speaker 1: these shaman They'll makes the plants up with different stuff

1143
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 1: because you just come up to them and say, hey,

1144
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:55,120
Speaker 1: I have this happening with my life, and they're like, okay,

1145
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:57,120
Speaker 1: we're gonna mix you up with this. We're gonna blow

1146
00:59:57,160 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 1: your heart open, you know, to make you more approachable

1147
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:03,200
Speaker 1: for people and more loving for people and so and

1148
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 1: so forth. Uh. But yeah, it's uh, it's it's definitely

1149
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:13,040
Speaker 1: something that is moving at light speed. And I wanted

1150
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:15,920
Speaker 1: to kind of describe the process because there's a right

1151
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 1: way to do it, there's a wrong way. And I've

1152
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:20,920
Speaker 1: heard about some phonies out there, and I know in

1153
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 1: my network. Everything's legit, it's been vetted. But with for example,

1154
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:29,760
Speaker 1: when I was down there in Zygo Cafe in Terra Poto,

1155
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:32,120
Speaker 1: there was a guy down there I met. He was

1156
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:35,040
Speaker 1: an American and he was a military. He's one of

1157
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:37,320
Speaker 1: these civilians and he's just going to one of these

1158
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:40,400
Speaker 1: like weekend camps where they do ayahuasca. It's not and

1159
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 1: it wasn't a real ayahuasca experience where you go deep.

1160
01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:46,000
Speaker 1: It's kind of like a vaca, you know, like a

1161
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 1: country club. Yeah, you just go take a pill, make

1162
01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:52,240
Speaker 1: things better. Yeah yeah. I mean, honestly, if I had

1163
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:55,520
Speaker 1: to do ayahuaska again, I want to go. I'm gonna

1164
01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:58,160
Speaker 1: do a dieta if I can. It's just it's a

1165
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:00,600
Speaker 1: it's a lot of time because you gotta travel to

1166
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:02,959
Speaker 1: Peru to take like a week and do at least

1167
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:06,439
Speaker 1: eight days by yourself, and the shaman comes to every

1168
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 1: second day and gives you ayahuasca, and you do not

1169
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:13,200
Speaker 1: talk to anybody, You do not encounter electronics, you do

1170
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:18,280
Speaker 1: not use anything that's not organic deodorant, bug spray, anything,

1171
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:21,120
Speaker 1: and you just sit there and you just travel and

1172
01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:23,120
Speaker 1: you're one with nature and all that stuff, and a

1173
01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:26,040
Speaker 1: lot of the I've heard Peruvians they it's healthy to

1174
01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:29,560
Speaker 1: do a diet at least once a year. What was

1175
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:32,880
Speaker 1: the other thing that we're talking about? The frog? The

1176
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:35,440
Speaker 1: frog is the five mm o d m T. Okay,

1177
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:37,400
Speaker 1: so the d MT is derived from the frog. Well

1178
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 1: at the five m e o. There's other d m

1179
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 1: T that's not from the tip. The five m e

1180
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:45,440
Speaker 1: o the toad. That's what it did twice and the

1181
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:47,960
Speaker 1: one that you smoked, Yeah, the one I smoked. Yeah, yeah,

1182
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:50,240
Speaker 1: and uh I felt it go my lungs and you

1183
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:53,160
Speaker 1: pass right out. Um, you know. And everybody has a

1184
01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:58,200
Speaker 1: different experience. Um again mine has been uh, nothing but

1185
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:02,040
Speaker 1: good things. So like what would if what would you

1186
01:02:02,080 --> 01:02:04,440
Speaker 1: suggest people go to? I mean, and I guess it

1187
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:08,040
Speaker 1: depends on what the experiences or problems you're having in

1188
01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:12,520
Speaker 1: your life. Like, let's just take something we're familiar with.

1189
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 1: Veterans shows up has issues with PTSD. Would you push

1190
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:21,160
Speaker 1: him towards hiahuasca or would you push him towards the

1191
01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:23,200
Speaker 1: d m T or like where do you where would

1192
01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:25,760
Speaker 1: you even begin with all of this? I think it's

1193
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:29,640
Speaker 1: if if you have veterans with PTSD, they've probably already

1194
01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:31,360
Speaker 1: been fed a bunch of pills. They've seen all that

1195
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:35,480
Speaker 1: therapist and you know, it just doesn't work. I mean,

1196
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:38,400
Speaker 1: look at the suicide epidemic with the veteran community. I mean,

1197
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:41,200
Speaker 1: we've spent more money on it in the suicide especially

1198
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:43,680
Speaker 1: in special operations through the room. There's a guy from

1199
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:45,920
Speaker 1: our bittalion. I wouldn't say his name here, but his

1200
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:48,280
Speaker 1: sister came to me just like a couple of weeks ago,

1201
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:51,240
Speaker 1: and this guy died. He was one of them. He

1202
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:53,120
Speaker 1: was one of the privates in my company when I

1203
01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:55,640
Speaker 1: got back from Rangers school, young guy younger than me

1204
01:02:55,680 --> 01:03:01,080
Speaker 1: and you, and he died unexpectedly, and I'm like, what

1205
01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:03,720
Speaker 1: the hell is going? Like our peer group, you and

1206
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:06,280
Speaker 1: I are peer group because we were young rangers together.

1207
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:08,680
Speaker 1: Our peer group is it feels like they're dying young.

1208
01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:10,560
Speaker 1: A lot of our dying young. And it's only going

1209
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 1: to accelerate because as you get older, you have the

1210
01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:18,000
Speaker 1: injuries come back and now you're you're you can't work out,

1211
01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:21,760
Speaker 1: You're not that stud You're seeing as like the old

1212
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:24,560
Speaker 1: angry veteran freak show you here all the time, like

1213
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:26,760
Speaker 1: I'm not as cool as I used to be. Yeah,

1214
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:28,960
Speaker 1: And you know, what those were my best years. It's

1215
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:33,400
Speaker 1: probably best if I just go away. And another thing

1216
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:37,040
Speaker 1: interesting about that is I talked to some Chris and

1217
01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:40,960
Speaker 1: some of these other shaman. A lot of these veterans

1218
01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:43,680
Speaker 1: might want to pursue going down in the jungle to

1219
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:46,960
Speaker 1: become to help out the shaman. Maybe they can become shaman.

1220
01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:49,280
Speaker 1: And you know, that's funny. Another thing about Chris too,

1221
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:52,440
Speaker 1: not only this god like person vouched for him, but

1222
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:56,040
Speaker 1: nature also said they blessed him too. They said we

1223
01:03:56,080 --> 01:04:00,600
Speaker 1: blessed him. That was actually pretty cool. And so but

1224
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:05,080
Speaker 1: you know, for example, we had an intern down there

1225
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:08,160
Speaker 1: who's just interning for the summer. And if you are

1226
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:11,200
Speaker 1: a veteran who pretty much you're you're gonna do the deed,

1227
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:15,000
Speaker 1: and most veterans who do the deed, they don't tell anybody,

1228
01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:17,560
Speaker 1: They just go and do it. Before you do it,

1229
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:21,360
Speaker 1: I suggest just flying down to Peru and going into

1230
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:24,120
Speaker 1: the jungle and doing ayahuasca because at that point you've

1231
01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:26,840
Speaker 1: got nothing to lose, buddy, you've got nothing to lose.

1232
01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:29,400
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you right now, it's gonna be a

1233
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:33,040
Speaker 1: great experience. I mean, for me, I wanted to stay

1234
01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:36,560
Speaker 1: down there, but it told me, ayahuasca. No, you've got

1235
01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:39,600
Speaker 1: work to do. Go back to the city. And for

1236
01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:44,080
Speaker 1: someone who's feeling suicidal, what what does the hiauaska? Dude?

1237
01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:46,360
Speaker 1: This is just like it helps them like make connections

1238
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:51,000
Speaker 1: between things in their life or piece of uh first

1239
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:52,720
Speaker 1: off her resets. You may have a t b I.

1240
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:54,680
Speaker 1: It will help you out with your traumatic brain injury.

1241
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:57,040
Speaker 1: I've heard it's even it's even helped out older people

1242
01:04:57,080 --> 01:05:01,040
Speaker 1: with the Parkinson's and stuff, and so it's a reset.

1243
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:06,480
Speaker 1: It helps answer questions from your adolescence that are plaguing you.

1244
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:12,200
Speaker 1: It can cure the depression all that stuff. So if

1245
01:05:12,560 --> 01:05:15,960
Speaker 1: if a veteran came to you with PTSD, suicidal tendencies,

1246
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:17,680
Speaker 1: those sorts of things, that's kind of the direction you

1247
01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:19,800
Speaker 1: would push. Yeah, I'm gonna put Yeah, that's where I

1248
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:23,840
Speaker 1: push him, honestly, because he's If somebody's coming to you,

1249
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:27,760
Speaker 1: it's because they're on their last leg. They don't want

1250
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:30,920
Speaker 1: to admit that they've tried everything. They're coming to you

1251
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:33,560
Speaker 1: because this is it. And that's when you know, because

1252
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:36,280
Speaker 1: I've dealt with enough guys and everything and just saying

1253
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:38,840
Speaker 1: I'm pretty observant and you know, just dealing with people,

1254
01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:42,160
Speaker 1: and a lot of people come to me that if somebody,

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01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:44,680
Speaker 1: especially a guy who's a stud, who's has a lot

1256
01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:47,560
Speaker 1: of pride and he's opening up like that, it's pretty

1257
01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:49,680
Speaker 1: much he's on his last leg. If you ignore him,

1258
01:05:49,720 --> 01:05:52,520
Speaker 1: if you don't answer his call, he's pretty much gonna

1259
01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:56,800
Speaker 1: do the deed. Um. Yeah. We had a ranger in

1260
01:05:56,880 --> 01:05:59,400
Speaker 1: third Bat he had like ten deployments and he was

1261
01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:02,680
Speaker 1: like as Evan, he went off somewhere else and uh

1262
01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:05,680
Speaker 1: he killed himself, you know, and uh it's uh, it's

1263
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:08,960
Speaker 1: societal pressure, it's everything, just everything coming around his shoulder.

1264
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:11,240
Speaker 1: I just say, hey, you need to go go down

1265
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:15,360
Speaker 1: to Peru and uh go go see Chris, or go

1266
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:18,880
Speaker 1: see one of these shaman and they'll and uh I've

1267
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:22,040
Speaker 1: heard from other buddies. Uh buddy Mi I was talking

1268
01:06:22,040 --> 01:06:23,680
Speaker 1: to the other day. There was a team guy who

1269
01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:26,040
Speaker 1: went down and he was just uh, he was in

1270
01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:28,320
Speaker 1: a bad spot. And this was years ago, and he

1271
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:32,160
Speaker 1: went down to Peru and uh, he had gained a

1272
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:34,040
Speaker 1: bunch of weight. He was just like he was an

1273
01:06:34,080 --> 01:06:36,760
Speaker 1: asshole and he went down there to do Ayawaska. He

1274
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:39,520
Speaker 1: stayed down there for a while, helping out the shaman.

1275
01:06:39,560 --> 01:06:42,640
Speaker 1: He came back, lost a bunch of weight, was reborn

1276
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:47,680
Speaker 1: and it's a completely different person, nice, productive, everything, And

1277
01:06:47,720 --> 01:06:49,920
Speaker 1: that's what kind of switched on my other team buddy

1278
01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:52,280
Speaker 1: to kind of be like, well, what's really going on?

1279
01:06:52,440 --> 01:06:54,320
Speaker 1: And that's how it was too. What's going on down there?

1280
01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:57,480
Speaker 1: And when you look at it, we're spending billions on

1281
01:06:57,960 --> 01:07:01,400
Speaker 1: PTSD treatment all this other stuff. It's not working. And

1282
01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:04,360
Speaker 1: not only is it not working for veterans, America is dying.

1283
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:08,560
Speaker 1: We're being hollowed out. It's dying. We're dying suicide rates

1284
01:07:08,560 --> 01:07:11,960
Speaker 1: through the roof opioid epidemic. People are using opioid to

1285
01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:18,160
Speaker 1: numb their lives, and it's the American culture is dying.

1286
01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:23,200
Speaker 1: And right now, I see that's the biggest national security

1287
01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:25,640
Speaker 1: issue I see right now. I mean, I mean, how

1288
01:07:25,680 --> 01:07:27,680
Speaker 1: many how many people as ice is really killed of

1289
01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:30,320
Speaker 1: American the last year, and let's put it the veteran

1290
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:34,840
Speaker 1: numbers and opioid epidemic that's killing more America than anything else.

1291
01:07:35,080 --> 01:07:37,160
Speaker 1: All of these young men who have this sort of

1292
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:40,960
Speaker 1: like postmodern nihilism in their lives, like that nothing matters,

1293
01:07:41,080 --> 01:07:43,120
Speaker 1: just like destroy the world, and they end up becoming

1294
01:07:43,120 --> 01:07:46,520
Speaker 1: with school shooters, and shooting up nightclubs whatever, whatever the

1295
01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:48,560
Speaker 1: funk it is. But I mean, there's this profound sense

1296
01:07:48,560 --> 01:07:51,560
Speaker 1: of nihilism that nothing really matters, and like, this is

1297
01:07:51,600 --> 01:07:53,720
Speaker 1: the one thing I'm gonna do that's gonna make me special.

1298
01:07:53,760 --> 01:07:55,960
Speaker 1: Let's go murder a bunch of innocent people. Well yeah,

1299
01:07:56,080 --> 01:07:57,840
Speaker 1: and it's like, you know what, I'm miserable. I don't

1300
01:07:57,840 --> 01:08:02,520
Speaker 1: make everybody else miserable. And uh, the plants may give

1301
01:08:02,520 --> 01:08:04,520
Speaker 1: you purpose to You may be on the on the

1302
01:08:04,520 --> 01:08:06,320
Speaker 1: fence about where I need to go with my life

1303
01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:08,280
Speaker 1: what I need to do. I'm you know where, and

1304
01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:09,760
Speaker 1: I'll tell you this is what you need to do.

1305
01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:14,280
Speaker 1: This is where you need to go. And I've heard

1306
01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:16,120
Speaker 1: that from a lot of people. People are on the fence.

1307
01:08:16,280 --> 01:08:18,040
Speaker 1: They're just like, I don't know what I'm I'm scared,

1308
01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:19,960
Speaker 1: I need to do this. I'm just pull the trigger

1309
01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:23,080
Speaker 1: on this or yeah yeah, And when you come back,

1310
01:08:23,080 --> 01:08:24,880
Speaker 1: they'll be like, this is what I'm doing for my life,

1311
01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:29,479
Speaker 1: and they're much happier. And again going back, not only

1312
01:08:29,560 --> 01:08:32,519
Speaker 1: are these veteran networks going to the plants, but also

1313
01:08:33,280 --> 01:08:36,559
Speaker 1: the federal government. I was down in d C talking

1314
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:41,600
Speaker 1: to some people, talking to politicians and they're not only interested,

1315
01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:46,160
Speaker 1: uh for the is helping out with the opioid epidemic,

1316
01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:50,000
Speaker 1: mental health issues. And it's just so much cheaper. But

1317
01:08:50,160 --> 01:08:54,439
Speaker 1: also I'm from Mississippi. The farmers to the farmers need

1318
01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:58,000
Speaker 1: a new cash crop. So you look at ayahuasca takes

1319
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:00,200
Speaker 1: seveny years to mature before you can cut at it.

1320
01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:05,480
Speaker 1: And when you cut ayahuaska's eva it's a vine. It's

1321
01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:07,240
Speaker 1: a vine, but you mix it with another plant, but

1322
01:09:07,280 --> 01:09:10,360
Speaker 1: it's very it's evasive growing vine. It takes seven years

1323
01:09:10,360 --> 01:09:12,640
Speaker 1: to mature. And from the time you cut it to

1324
01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:16,200
Speaker 1: actual process to drink, you're looking at twelve to eighteen hours.

1325
01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:20,000
Speaker 1: That's nothing. But here's another thing. When it comes to

1326
01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:23,960
Speaker 1: processing ayahuasca to drink, it has to be done a

1327
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:26,960
Speaker 1: special way. Nobody can do it. I had this is

1328
01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:29,560
Speaker 1: years ago. Now. I was talking to another guy in

1329
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:33,840
Speaker 1: other special Operations vet UH, former ranger. I will say

1330
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:36,240
Speaker 1: his name here people would actually recognize who he is.

1331
01:09:36,320 --> 01:09:39,200
Speaker 1: But he was telling me about how he went down

1332
01:09:39,280 --> 01:09:42,160
Speaker 1: to Peru and did hiawuaska and this was five years

1333
01:09:42,160 --> 01:09:45,519
Speaker 1: ago and um, and he was saying he stayed down

1334
01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:48,000
Speaker 1: there and took like kind of they're like graduate level

1335
01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:49,960
Speaker 1: course where they have you like run around the jungle

1336
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:52,439
Speaker 1: and gather up the components for the aahuaska and learn

1337
01:09:52,479 --> 01:09:55,800
Speaker 1: how to produce it. And he was like, it's so complicated,

1338
01:09:55,960 --> 01:09:59,439
Speaker 1: Like how in the hell did these ancient people ever

1339
01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:01,479
Speaker 1: come up with this, Like we're gonna mix this and

1340
01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:03,720
Speaker 1: that and turn it into Like how did how in

1341
01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:06,280
Speaker 1: the hell did they figure all this out? I think, honestly,

1342
01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:10,160
Speaker 1: the first person or whatever, I think the first solution

1343
01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:12,880
Speaker 1: to you know, first time somebody did ayahuasca, I think

1344
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:17,800
Speaker 1: the instructed them how to do Because you go in

1345
01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:19,600
Speaker 1: there and you have questions, you're like, how's this, how's this?

1346
01:10:19,640 --> 01:10:21,320
Speaker 1: It'll show you like this, how you do this this

1347
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:24,439
Speaker 1: and uh, and it may tell you, hey, you're you're

1348
01:10:24,479 --> 01:10:26,200
Speaker 1: not gonna die. I just try it out, feel it out.

1349
01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:29,280
Speaker 1: You're not gonna die. Blah blah blah. So yeah, I mean,

1350
01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:32,280
Speaker 1: it's you just can't grow it and then cut it

1351
01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:35,280
Speaker 1: and cook it and do your thing. You need a professional.

1352
01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:39,280
Speaker 1: And that professional it's probably gonna be somebody whose family

1353
01:10:39,320 --> 01:10:41,559
Speaker 1: has been doing it for a thousand years. You know,

1354
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:43,920
Speaker 1: It's it's not it's not just you. We're gonna bottle

1355
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:46,719
Speaker 1: this and put it in a Walmart. You know, Um,

1356
01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:50,400
Speaker 1: it's a special way to do it. And uh, that's

1357
01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:52,519
Speaker 1: another thing again coming on and tell us like, listen,

1358
01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:54,320
Speaker 1: guys who were just want to grow it in Central

1359
01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:56,920
Speaker 1: Park and cut it. You know, it's not it's not

1360
01:10:56,960 --> 01:11:02,760
Speaker 1: gonna happen. Uh. And he's again, these farmers, if we

1361
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:07,559
Speaker 1: can grow it, because uh is decriminalized in Oakland, It's

1362
01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:10,600
Speaker 1: gonna be legalized in other look hous. Not only Democrats,

1363
01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:12,960
Speaker 1: but Republicans are like both sides of the owl. There's

1364
01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:15,439
Speaker 1: a Republican in Iowa. He's like, hey, let's let's look

1365
01:11:15,479 --> 01:11:19,000
Speaker 1: at psychedelics. Let's do this, let's do that. It's coming

1366
01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:22,240
Speaker 1: on even AOC, and no matter what you think about AOC,

1367
01:11:22,840 --> 01:11:26,639
Speaker 1: she has a massive following. She has a huge following

1368
01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:30,080
Speaker 1: on social media, just to take politics out of this equation.

1369
01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:34,160
Speaker 1: And she tried to push something through Congress for psychedelic

1370
01:11:34,240 --> 01:11:38,680
Speaker 1: for psychedelics, Listen, it's it's gonna come, it's gonna be legalized,

1371
01:11:39,080 --> 01:11:41,880
Speaker 1: but let's do it right, and let's let everybody know.

1372
01:11:42,439 --> 01:11:44,839
Speaker 1: You just can't grow it. You just can't. Not everybody's

1373
01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:47,400
Speaker 1: gonna be a shaman. Listen. I met a guy down

1374
01:11:47,400 --> 01:11:50,320
Speaker 1: in Peru. He was on the fence. He really got

1375
01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:54,000
Speaker 1: kicked out because he'd been down there for two or

1376
01:11:54,040 --> 01:11:57,080
Speaker 1: three years. He dedicated his life, he quit his job.

1377
01:11:57,520 --> 01:11:59,120
Speaker 1: He's like, I guess this is my calling to be

1378
01:11:59,160 --> 01:12:01,840
Speaker 1: a shaman. And he had one more shot and he

1379
01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:05,360
Speaker 1: passed his little shaman test or whatever, and he was

1380
01:12:05,439 --> 01:12:09,120
Speaker 1: so relieved because two and a half years of your

1381
01:12:09,160 --> 01:12:12,760
Speaker 1: life wasted in the jungle. So when you say, like

1382
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:14,960
Speaker 1: pastor shamans, like, what is a shaman? I don't know.

1383
01:12:15,080 --> 01:12:17,599
Speaker 1: It's well, first off, nature has to like bless you

1384
01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:20,799
Speaker 1: the spirits is what they say. It has to bless

1385
01:12:20,840 --> 01:12:23,840
Speaker 1: you because you're calling on these higher beings and all

1386
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:26,559
Speaker 1: this other stuff. And you have to work well with

1387
01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:28,280
Speaker 1: the plant. You have to work well with the plant.

1388
01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:29,640
Speaker 1: You have to know how to treat it and know

1389
01:12:29,680 --> 01:12:33,200
Speaker 1: how to do stuff. And uh, it's uh, maybe I

1390
01:12:33,240 --> 01:12:35,200
Speaker 1: can have him on and talk about that and that's

1391
01:12:35,240 --> 01:12:38,000
Speaker 1: his subject matter expert. I'll let him know if you're interested.

1392
01:12:38,160 --> 01:12:43,479
Speaker 1: So um, but yeah, not everybody's gonna be a shaman. Uh.

1393
01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:45,880
Speaker 1: You have to be chosen. You have to be the

1394
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:52,599
Speaker 1: mentor everything. And I think again, growing it is another

1395
01:12:52,680 --> 01:12:55,759
Speaker 1: wave to make money for these farmers another cash crop,

1396
01:12:56,439 --> 01:12:58,559
Speaker 1: but you're gonna have to have a shaman process it,

1397
01:12:59,320 --> 01:13:02,960
Speaker 1: and only they can do it. So like we uh,

1398
01:13:03,040 --> 01:13:05,520
Speaker 1: we talked about this on a on a previous episode

1399
01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:09,479
Speaker 1: and uh, and I brought this story up in my

1400
01:13:09,479 --> 01:13:12,360
Speaker 1: my personal feelings about psychedelics and how they came about

1401
01:13:12,439 --> 01:13:14,639
Speaker 1: from reading that book. I was saying, and then there's

1402
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:18,160
Speaker 1: another ranger that we both know. Uh. And we were

1403
01:13:18,160 --> 01:13:20,920
Speaker 1: in the barracks and I was telling him about that book.

1404
01:13:20,920 --> 01:13:22,680
Speaker 1: I read The Cosmic Serpent, and I was like, it

1405
01:13:22,760 --> 01:13:25,800
Speaker 1: got me really interested in psychedelics. And he had done

1406
01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:27,519
Speaker 1: I guess a lot of acid back in the day,

1407
01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:30,280
Speaker 1: and he was like, dude, don't do it. Don't do

1408
01:13:30,280 --> 01:13:32,640
Speaker 1: it like you'll you'll kill somebody. Like what would you

1409
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:34,840
Speaker 1: say to somebody like me who's like on the fence

1410
01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:37,719
Speaker 1: about it as far as like I would be afraid

1411
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:39,559
Speaker 1: of having a bad trip and like the stuff that

1412
01:13:39,560 --> 01:13:41,439
Speaker 1: would come out of me if if I did that.

1413
01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:43,360
Speaker 1: You know, I hear that all the time, but everybody

1414
01:13:43,360 --> 01:13:45,679
Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, I mean, but the thing is you,

1415
01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:50,240
Speaker 1: it's your deal. You gotta I don't try to push people.

1416
01:13:50,320 --> 01:13:52,880
Speaker 1: I tell them, hey, this is it, you know, And

1417
01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:56,920
Speaker 1: some guys, I do kind of push because they keep

1418
01:13:56,960 --> 01:13:58,559
Speaker 1: asking me what did you see or what's going on

1419
01:13:58,680 --> 01:14:01,479
Speaker 1: or what's this? Listen, you just jump in. If you're

1420
01:14:01,479 --> 01:14:06,400
Speaker 1: so interested, you keep on harassing Go do it. Stop

1421
01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:09,439
Speaker 1: harassing me. You know you want to do it. Your

1422
01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:14,840
Speaker 1: your toes in the water, jump in. And again, you're

1423
01:14:14,840 --> 01:14:16,360
Speaker 1: with a lot of tough people, a lot of hard

1424
01:14:16,400 --> 01:14:21,439
Speaker 1: people in these networks, the special operations networks, and uh,

1425
01:14:21,479 --> 01:14:24,960
Speaker 1: you know there you know it worked out for them,

1426
01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:27,479
Speaker 1: you know, and they have a lot of inner demons. Yeah.

1427
01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:29,760
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean we're, like I said, we're we're

1428
01:14:29,800 --> 01:14:32,840
Speaker 1: bound pretty tight. Uh, a lot of a lot of

1429
01:14:32,840 --> 01:14:35,759
Speaker 1: monkeys on our backs. And you had all these guys

1430
01:14:35,800 --> 01:14:38,559
Speaker 1: go down there, and it sounds like, almost to a

1431
01:14:38,600 --> 01:14:40,920
Speaker 1: man or to a woman, they all say that it

1432
01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:43,840
Speaker 1: was a positive experience. Yeah. And I had a participant

1433
01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:45,599
Speaker 1: down there too who went through it. She actually did

1434
01:14:45,640 --> 01:14:52,320
Speaker 1: an ayahuasca experience in the US, and she said it

1435
01:14:52,439 --> 01:14:55,160
Speaker 1: didn't even compare to what happened in Peru, Like it

1436
01:14:55,240 --> 01:14:59,240
Speaker 1: was like point zero one of what actually happened in Peru.

1437
01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:05,320
Speaker 1: Peru is on another level. So again, uh, maybe the

1438
01:15:05,360 --> 01:15:07,799
Speaker 1: process was wrong or whatever, but there is a process

1439
01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:12,080
Speaker 1: you have to follow, and if you don't, nothing may happen.

1440
01:15:12,320 --> 01:15:14,720
Speaker 1: You may take it and just nothing happens. So that's

1441
01:15:14,720 --> 01:15:17,680
Speaker 1: why you have to go to credible, credible people who

1442
01:15:17,760 --> 01:15:22,519
Speaker 1: know what they're doing. And uh, and I always go

1443
01:15:22,520 --> 01:15:24,680
Speaker 1: with a group of people. I know. It's interesting that

1444
01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:27,920
Speaker 1: like the plant cannot be divorced from the ceremonial aspects

1445
01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:30,639
Speaker 1: of it. It's like they have to work in tandem. Yeah,

1446
01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:32,519
Speaker 1: it's all part of nature. And that's what they told

1447
01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:36,160
Speaker 1: me under it's in you know, this higher being. Get

1448
01:15:36,160 --> 01:15:38,120
Speaker 1: back to nature. And then Nature said, you know, we

1449
01:15:38,200 --> 01:15:40,000
Speaker 1: put the visions in the plants and we're here to

1450
01:15:40,040 --> 01:15:43,960
Speaker 1: heal you. And uh, you know, I think I talked

1451
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:46,000
Speaker 1: to this higher being is like, well who created you know,

1452
01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:48,479
Speaker 1: it's like who's more powerful? Nature or you or whatever?

1453
01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:51,080
Speaker 1: He's like, well who created nature? It's like, uh, you're clever,

1454
01:15:51,360 --> 01:15:56,280
Speaker 1: is you? And you're yeah, you know, and that's even

1455
01:15:56,400 --> 01:15:59,840
Speaker 1: nature reinforcements like yeah, he created us, and we created

1456
01:15:59,840 --> 01:16:03,280
Speaker 1: the plants, and the plants are here for you. Eat yell.

1457
01:16:03,360 --> 01:16:05,679
Speaker 1: Are trying to be too complicated with all these pills

1458
01:16:05,760 --> 01:16:09,040
Speaker 1: and all this technology and magnet helmets and and you know,

1459
01:16:09,160 --> 01:16:12,080
Speaker 1: you deal with a lot of guys who it's a

1460
01:16:12,080 --> 01:16:14,559
Speaker 1: lot of gimmicks out there with this technology. Hey we'll

1461
01:16:14,600 --> 01:16:16,600
Speaker 1: do this, and we'll do that, and we'll put you

1462
01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:18,840
Speaker 1: through this m R machine to do X Y Z,

1463
01:16:19,720 --> 01:16:22,960
Speaker 1: and it's a scam. It's millions of dollars wasted, where

1464
01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:26,080
Speaker 1: all you had to do was buy a plane ticket

1465
01:16:26,080 --> 01:16:29,400
Speaker 1: and spend maybe a thousand dollars to go down there,

1466
01:16:29,439 --> 01:16:34,040
Speaker 1: and you're reborn. That's it. That's the thing they said repeatedly.

1467
01:16:34,479 --> 01:16:36,960
Speaker 1: It's not complicated. You are trying to be too complicated

1468
01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:39,360
Speaker 1: about this healing and stuff. It does seem a bit

1469
01:16:39,439 --> 01:16:41,559
Speaker 1: much that you know, if you have somebody who's afflicted

1470
01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:46,880
Speaker 1: with PTSD or anxiety or depression, that recovering from that

1471
01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:49,760
Speaker 1: has to be like a lifelong endeavor of seeing like

1472
01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:53,000
Speaker 1: a psychotherapist every week of your life, like puppets. And

1473
01:16:54,320 --> 01:16:57,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm also I would also be skeptical of like,

1474
01:16:57,760 --> 01:17:00,040
Speaker 1: you know, you go and do this this plant and

1475
01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:03,760
Speaker 1: and you're you're healed for life. But at the same time,

1476
01:17:03,800 --> 01:17:05,840
Speaker 1: like does it have to be a lifelong process to

1477
01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:08,200
Speaker 1: like deal with your issues? I mean, there's got to

1478
01:17:08,240 --> 01:17:12,240
Speaker 1: be some other techniques. It's like they're milking you for something,

1479
01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:14,920
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like, hey, come back, spend

1480
01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:17,680
Speaker 1: some more money, do x y Z. You may do

1481
01:17:17,720 --> 01:17:20,599
Speaker 1: I boogain once and never want to touch it again.

1482
01:17:20,760 --> 01:17:24,639
Speaker 1: You're good. Ayahuasca. I met one guy I went to UH.

1483
01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:27,840
Speaker 1: He did a podcast. He may be speaking at Columbia

1484
01:17:27,880 --> 01:17:30,160
Speaker 1: for some veterans in the fall. I'm trying to get

1485
01:17:30,200 --> 01:17:31,599
Speaker 1: him up there to speak to a lot of veterans.

1486
01:17:31,640 --> 01:17:35,639
Speaker 1: He did ayahuasca once, does he He does holotrophic breathing.

1487
01:17:35,680 --> 01:17:38,840
Speaker 1: That's how he gets into the space. And he was saying,

1488
01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:41,840
Speaker 1: you know, some of these Buddhists, they meditate and they

1489
01:17:41,880 --> 01:17:44,920
Speaker 1: blast off into space when they're out there in the woods.

1490
01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:49,840
Speaker 1: They're not in the woods. They're in another realm. And

1491
01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:52,360
Speaker 1: and UH had another seal buddy of mine. He was funny,

1492
01:17:52,360 --> 01:17:53,559
Speaker 1: He's like, man, if I want to go to space,

1493
01:17:53,560 --> 01:17:55,120
Speaker 1: I just close my eyes. I mean, I don't want

1494
01:17:55,120 --> 01:17:57,720
Speaker 1: to be an astronaut. You know, Like that's we're trying

1495
01:17:57,720 --> 01:17:59,519
Speaker 1: to be too complicated. Again. It goes back to what

1496
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:03,080
Speaker 1: higher being and nature was saying, and and but no,

1497
01:18:03,280 --> 01:18:06,880
Speaker 1: back to the therapy. It's and some of these therapists

1498
01:18:06,920 --> 01:18:08,840
Speaker 1: they don't know what they're talking about they don't know

1499
01:18:08,840 --> 01:18:11,280
Speaker 1: what's going on. It's and again they want you to

1500
01:18:11,320 --> 01:18:14,439
Speaker 1: come back for to give more money. Now, some people

1501
01:18:14,439 --> 01:18:18,320
Speaker 1: would say, what about the coaches. You talked to the coaches,

1502
01:18:19,400 --> 01:18:22,320
Speaker 1: they're not looking, they're not My coaches have been fully honest.

1503
01:18:22,360 --> 01:18:24,200
Speaker 1: I don't have to go back to them again. But

1504
01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:26,559
Speaker 1: I like going back to them because when I meditate,

1505
01:18:26,600 --> 01:18:28,400
Speaker 1: they take me to a higher level. Okay, now try

1506
01:18:28,439 --> 01:18:32,479
Speaker 1: this lucid dreaming for example, you know, dropping out, dropping

1507
01:18:32,479 --> 01:18:34,439
Speaker 1: out of your body where it goes numb, and then

1508
01:18:34,439 --> 01:18:37,280
Speaker 1: coming back in and stuff like that. You take your meditate,

1509
01:18:37,560 --> 01:18:41,320
Speaker 1: it's it's like peeling back the onion, but you never

1510
01:18:41,400 --> 01:18:44,080
Speaker 1: hit the core. You just keep going. You're called leveling up,

1511
01:18:45,080 --> 01:18:48,240
Speaker 1: and that's what the coaches they Okay, now you reach

1512
01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:50,000
Speaker 1: this level, Okay, we're gonna take you to the next level.

1513
01:18:50,160 --> 01:18:52,639
Speaker 1: And it's like wow, it's like going into a video game,

1514
01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:54,840
Speaker 1: you know, like Okay, I got this new weapon. Okay,

1515
01:18:54,840 --> 01:18:57,519
Speaker 1: I got another weapon. You know, not with like therapy

1516
01:18:57,560 --> 01:18:59,960
Speaker 1: where it's like okay, let me, you know, where's the

1517
01:19:00,040 --> 01:19:02,519
Speaker 1: all where the bad men touched here, Like here's these

1518
01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:05,320
Speaker 1: sock puppets or hey know here you know, it's just

1519
01:19:05,400 --> 01:19:10,160
Speaker 1: it's not the same. Actually, I had a therapist here

1520
01:19:10,840 --> 01:19:13,840
Speaker 1: through Columbia. Uh it's the Hope Deane Center. They give

1521
01:19:13,880 --> 01:19:17,960
Speaker 1: free therapy to veterans at Columbia. Awesome. I would I

1522
01:19:17,960 --> 01:19:19,920
Speaker 1: would still tell people to go to it, just because

1523
01:19:20,200 --> 01:19:22,640
Speaker 1: as a veteran at Columbia, you can talk to him

1524
01:19:22,680 --> 01:19:24,960
Speaker 1: about anything because you're surrounded by a lot of like

1525
01:19:25,200 --> 01:19:27,280
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes children and stuff. You know, you know,

1526
01:19:27,360 --> 01:19:29,960
Speaker 1: the antics there and you can't be who you want

1527
01:19:29,960 --> 01:19:31,200
Speaker 1: to be and you know, you want to say some

1528
01:19:31,200 --> 01:19:34,920
Speaker 1: stuff that's not PC. So having to center yourself in

1529
01:19:35,280 --> 01:19:39,160
Speaker 1: the classroom though that Yeah, that never happened. So my

1530
01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:45,080
Speaker 1: therapist actually was brought up in my eyebew gain experience

1531
01:19:45,960 --> 01:19:50,040
Speaker 1: and this god like figure said that he put my therapist,

1532
01:19:51,360 --> 01:19:55,960
Speaker 1: uh caused him to move to another state because they

1533
01:19:55,960 --> 01:19:59,080
Speaker 1: were still in the military, to PCs to go to

1534
01:19:59,120 --> 01:20:02,880
Speaker 1: another state. As my therapist was losing his way. New

1535
01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:05,720
Speaker 1: York was getting to be too much and he was

1536
01:20:05,800 --> 01:20:07,400
Speaker 1: losing his way, so he put him in the middle

1537
01:20:07,439 --> 01:20:12,800
Speaker 1: of nowhere, like Alabama. So he do stuff like that. Yeah, yeah,

1538
01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:16,160
Speaker 1: and uh you know again he you know, like I said,

1539
01:20:16,200 --> 01:20:18,400
Speaker 1: he told him about my coaches, you know. Thank them

1540
01:20:18,439 --> 01:20:21,599
Speaker 1: because you know Jamie. You know she'll take it from here.

1541
01:20:22,120 --> 01:20:24,639
Speaker 1: When it comes to like Ezra, you know, Jamie will

1542
01:20:24,680 --> 01:20:26,320
Speaker 1: take it from here. And he also told me about

1543
01:20:27,320 --> 01:20:29,839
Speaker 1: you know, hey, y'all are like the with the grouper

1544
01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:31,720
Speaker 1: with you all like the ayahuasca vine. You're all are

1545
01:20:31,760 --> 01:20:34,120
Speaker 1: all interconnected if you'll ever needed to help help each

1546
01:20:34,120 --> 01:20:35,960
Speaker 1: other out. I suspect also there needs to be a

1547
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:39,240
Speaker 1: lot more research done into all of this because it

1548
01:20:39,280 --> 01:20:42,000
Speaker 1: could be not necessarily one or the other. But you know,

1549
01:20:42,840 --> 01:20:45,360
Speaker 1: taking some of these plants may open you up and

1550
01:20:45,400 --> 01:20:48,519
Speaker 1: make therapy more effective. So maybe it's you know, doing

1551
01:20:48,680 --> 01:20:51,200
Speaker 1: doing them in tandem. I don't know. I'm not a doctor.

1552
01:20:51,240 --> 01:20:53,840
Speaker 1: I can't say. But if I still had my therapist,

1553
01:20:54,040 --> 01:20:56,760
Speaker 1: if he wouldn't have moved PCs, I'd still see him

1554
01:20:56,760 --> 01:20:59,080
Speaker 1: because I like him, I like hanging out. But you

1555
01:20:59,120 --> 01:21:01,439
Speaker 1: know I didn't pay for at all is free through Columbia.

1556
01:21:01,960 --> 01:21:06,559
Speaker 1: So uh, it's honestly what makes what you're comfortable with,

1557
01:21:07,439 --> 01:21:10,920
Speaker 1: you know. And I'm not saying drop your therapist. Uh uh,

1558
01:21:11,040 --> 01:21:12,960
Speaker 1: you know, go back to your therapist. But at the

1559
01:21:13,040 --> 01:21:15,680
Speaker 1: very least, I know a lot of the guys got

1560
01:21:15,680 --> 01:21:17,559
Speaker 1: off medication a lot of a lot of the guys

1561
01:21:17,560 --> 01:21:20,559
Speaker 1: don't drink anymore, they don't smoke. Some of them don't

1562
01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:24,080
Speaker 1: smoke marijuana anymore, they don't smoke cigarettes. It's like it's

1563
01:21:24,120 --> 01:21:26,520
Speaker 1: pretty much the silver bullet for a lot of them.

1564
01:21:26,760 --> 01:21:29,479
Speaker 1: All it sounds like, you know, dramatic improvements and dramatic.

1565
01:21:29,520 --> 01:21:31,519
Speaker 1: I I don't drink coffe anymore. I haven't drink coffee

1566
01:21:31,560 --> 01:21:35,920
Speaker 1: in six weeks. I purged one time with the ayahuasca. Uh.

1567
01:21:36,200 --> 01:21:38,719
Speaker 1: Through all my experiences, a lot of people purge. Uh.

1568
01:21:38,760 --> 01:21:40,800
Speaker 1: You know, they may defecate, may they may throw up.

1569
01:21:41,360 --> 01:21:44,880
Speaker 1: I purged once, and my purge is this brown sludge.

1570
01:21:45,640 --> 01:21:49,280
Speaker 1: And it was and it was the second ceremony, and

1571
01:21:49,320 --> 01:21:51,360
Speaker 1: the third ceremony asked natures like why did I purge?

1572
01:21:51,360 --> 01:21:52,960
Speaker 1: I thought it wasn't gonna purse. We had to get

1573
01:21:53,080 --> 01:21:55,080
Speaker 1: rid of all the poisons and toxins out of you

1574
01:21:55,240 --> 01:21:57,880
Speaker 1: is the processed foods and stuff. And I've lost since

1575
01:21:57,880 --> 01:22:02,479
Speaker 1: I started doing all this, like fifteen, around twenty pounds. Yeah.

1576
01:22:02,520 --> 01:22:06,840
Speaker 1: So a lot of guys lose weight. Uh, because they're

1577
01:22:06,920 --> 01:22:10,080
Speaker 1: masking with food or drugs or alcohol, they lose weight.

1578
01:22:10,439 --> 01:22:13,200
Speaker 1: And uh it it's definitely everybody I've noticed had a

1579
01:22:13,280 --> 01:22:17,840
Speaker 1: dramatic improvement and also with their professional life as well.

1580
01:22:19,120 --> 01:22:22,360
Speaker 1: So so what's the next step? I mean, you mentioned

1581
01:22:22,479 --> 01:22:25,479
Speaker 1: there's some stuff going on the policy side that this

1582
01:22:25,640 --> 01:22:28,720
Speaker 1: may be legalized in the United States, you know, over

1583
01:22:28,760 --> 01:22:31,800
Speaker 1: the next one decade or so, what about what about

1584
01:22:31,840 --> 01:22:33,400
Speaker 1: for you? I mean, do you have any plans to

1585
01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:36,720
Speaker 1: Is there some other crazy toad that you're gonna lick

1586
01:22:36,920 --> 01:22:39,680
Speaker 1: or I was like, I was around the Central Park

1587
01:22:39,760 --> 01:22:41,759
Speaker 1: looking at plants. I'm not going on. I'm just kidding

1588
01:22:42,040 --> 01:22:45,360
Speaker 1: and uh no, not right now, there's nothing really going on.

1589
01:22:45,479 --> 01:22:48,200
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's when it comes to the plants,

1590
01:22:48,240 --> 01:22:50,599
Speaker 1: it's just helping people out they come to for advice.

1591
01:22:50,640 --> 01:22:51,880
Speaker 1: And that's one reason I want to talk to you

1592
01:22:51,960 --> 01:22:55,559
Speaker 1: all is the process, because I noticed there's a huge

1593
01:22:55,600 --> 01:22:58,439
Speaker 1: tidle of like Jeff spoke about it, it's just not

1594
01:22:58,640 --> 01:23:00,360
Speaker 1: like a guy like Jeff and he he's you know,

1595
01:23:00,400 --> 01:23:02,800
Speaker 1: he's a social media influencer. He's there, but you know,

1596
01:23:02,880 --> 01:23:06,280
Speaker 1: I'll listen to bits and pieces of it. He's Craig,

1597
01:23:06,360 --> 01:23:10,920
Speaker 1: not that he needs my validation, but he uh, in

1598
01:23:10,960 --> 01:23:12,800
Speaker 1: a wrong way. There's a right way and a wrong way,

1599
01:23:12,840 --> 01:23:14,880
Speaker 1: and and Jeff was right on the money. It's like,

1600
01:23:15,360 --> 01:23:18,599
Speaker 1: this is professional, this is how it's done. And I'm

1601
01:23:18,640 --> 01:23:20,200
Speaker 1: not saying there needs to be regulation because I mean

1602
01:23:20,200 --> 01:23:21,920
Speaker 1: it's how do you regulate a shaman. That guy has

1603
01:23:21,960 --> 01:23:24,840
Speaker 1: been doing this four years, you know, like get your

1604
01:23:24,840 --> 01:23:26,680
Speaker 1: shaman life. I mean it takes longer to get there,

1605
01:23:26,680 --> 01:23:28,920
Speaker 1: like it takes you know, it's easier to become a

1606
01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:32,680
Speaker 1: doctor for ten years. Ten years, Like wow, well I

1607
01:23:32,720 --> 01:23:37,000
Speaker 1: will never be an apprentice. Okay, So uh it's I

1608
01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:39,280
Speaker 1: think it's more more mostly word of mouth, because I've

1609
01:23:39,320 --> 01:23:43,479
Speaker 1: heard in those environments if somebody is not legitimate, then

1610
01:23:43,479 --> 01:23:46,360
Speaker 1: they will get purged from like the shaman circlespicially like

1611
01:23:46,439 --> 01:23:48,760
Speaker 1: Terrapodo Peru, they'll get pushed out and they'll get run

1612
01:23:48,760 --> 01:23:50,599
Speaker 1: out of town. If you're doing it the right way, well,

1613
01:23:50,640 --> 01:23:52,400
Speaker 1: and then people won't go to you don't make any money,

1614
01:23:52,439 --> 01:23:54,719
Speaker 1: you know, it's just this very word of mouth. And

1615
01:23:55,040 --> 01:23:57,680
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be I think two years possibly

1616
01:23:57,800 --> 01:23:59,799
Speaker 1: we're looking at a lot of their stuff being legalized.

1617
01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:02,120
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean you just had there's a company

1618
01:24:02,120 --> 01:24:06,240
Speaker 1: a t A, a psychedelic medicine biotech company. They're investing

1619
01:24:06,320 --> 01:24:09,519
Speaker 1: millions in this stuff. Now psilocybin's into m D n

1620
01:24:09,600 --> 01:24:12,320
Speaker 1: M A, and now that they're seeing that, you know,

1621
01:24:12,439 --> 01:24:15,800
Speaker 1: the the herbal remedies and all the good that's coming out,

1622
01:24:16,400 --> 01:24:19,880
Speaker 1: and you're talking about eliminating the opioid epidemic in some

1623
01:24:19,960 --> 01:24:23,760
Speaker 1: cases heroin attics going cold Turkey like that, and the

1624
01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:26,719
Speaker 1: pharmaceuticals too. I mean, I know you've met people as well.

1625
01:24:26,880 --> 01:24:29,320
Speaker 1: You know, veterans who are on antidepressants and stuff, and

1626
01:24:29,360 --> 01:24:32,880
Speaker 1: the pills are almost worse than the treatment is worse

1627
01:24:32,920 --> 01:24:34,719
Speaker 1: than the disease. For a lot of people, it doesn't

1628
01:24:34,720 --> 01:24:37,240
Speaker 1: make they don't feel like themselves anymore. Yeah, they don't

1629
01:24:37,280 --> 01:24:40,360
Speaker 1: feel and some would even say it makes them suicidal.

1630
01:24:41,240 --> 01:24:44,000
Speaker 1: And someone even say that, um not to get Alex

1631
01:24:44,080 --> 01:24:47,080
Speaker 1: jones e here, but uh, you know we're not talking

1632
01:24:47,080 --> 01:24:50,560
Speaker 1: about the gay frogs, but you know, they would say

1633
01:24:50,600 --> 01:24:53,760
Speaker 1: that it makes them. And then you have a lot

1634
01:24:53,840 --> 01:24:56,759
Speaker 1: of veterans who I was injured, They get on oxy codon,

1635
01:24:56,880 --> 01:24:59,839
Speaker 1: they get on the hydrocdeon, get all. They get addicted

1636
01:24:59,840 --> 01:25:02,760
Speaker 1: to it and they need something to get off. And

1637
01:25:02,800 --> 01:25:05,439
Speaker 1: he's like, okay, here's Iboga go down to Costa Rica

1638
01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:07,479
Speaker 1: before we wrap up. Could you go through it one

1639
01:25:07,479 --> 01:25:10,160
Speaker 1: more time as far as like the legitimate um sources

1640
01:25:10,200 --> 01:25:12,240
Speaker 1: that people should go to if they're interested in following

1641
01:25:12,320 --> 01:25:16,360
Speaker 1: up on this uh Peru. I would say, if you're

1642
01:25:16,360 --> 01:25:19,880
Speaker 1: going to prue uh. For me and my network, we

1643
01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:22,240
Speaker 1: like a guy you're gonna go to Terra PoTA to

1644
01:25:22,320 --> 01:25:28,280
Speaker 1: prue La Medicina Chris Odal Westerner. But I mean he's

1645
01:25:28,800 --> 01:25:30,519
Speaker 1: we were We all had nothing but good things to

1646
01:25:30,520 --> 01:25:33,000
Speaker 1: say about him. He's a professional in the environment. He's

1647
01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:36,080
Speaker 1: into professional and if you need other stuff, he can

1648
01:25:36,120 --> 01:25:40,280
Speaker 1: help help you out with other shaman down there, uh

1649
01:25:40,560 --> 01:25:43,600
Speaker 1: being true to you. The coaching service ran by d

1650
01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:47,160
Speaker 1: n Adamson. She created this but because she was kind

1651
01:25:47,160 --> 01:25:48,920
Speaker 1: of in the space she was a therapist and she

1652
01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:51,400
Speaker 1: saw no other stuff works. I'm not. My dad's a

1653
01:25:51,400 --> 01:25:55,080
Speaker 1: pharmacist and he's been a pharmacist for forty years. I asked.

1654
01:25:55,120 --> 01:25:57,120
Speaker 1: My Dad's like, dare we still feed these kids? Appeal?

1655
01:25:57,120 --> 01:25:59,679
Speaker 1: But I was on riddling adderall in high school all

1656
01:25:59,680 --> 01:26:03,240
Speaker 1: that UF He's like, Oh, yeah, we're still feeding kids

1657
01:26:03,320 --> 01:26:05,559
Speaker 1: all these pills like seven or eight, you're getting them

1658
01:26:05,560 --> 01:26:08,479
Speaker 1: like riddling and adderall and all this other stuff. Dopen

1659
01:26:08,520 --> 01:26:12,880
Speaker 1: them up. It's like, oh, my gosh. Still he's like, yeah,

1660
01:26:12,439 --> 01:26:17,320
Speaker 1: what what's your dad think of? Uh? Another thing about well,

1661
01:26:17,439 --> 01:26:19,599
Speaker 1: my dad is actually pro a lot of this stuff

1662
01:26:19,640 --> 01:26:22,920
Speaker 1: because here's the thing being from the South to a

1663
01:26:22,960 --> 01:26:25,400
Speaker 1: lot of us used to use herbal remedies a lot

1664
01:26:25,439 --> 01:26:26,880
Speaker 1: of the farms. You didn't go to the doctor. You

1665
01:26:26,920 --> 01:26:30,640
Speaker 1: went to the pharmacy. Deep South, deep dirty, deep and

1666
01:26:30,680 --> 01:26:33,800
Speaker 1: dirty and well used to we used to tour the

1667
01:26:33,800 --> 01:26:35,640
Speaker 1: indie amounts, go out of school and just go hang

1668
01:26:35,640 --> 01:26:37,800
Speaker 1: out in the inn emails. And I've also heard when

1669
01:26:37,800 --> 01:26:40,880
Speaker 1: doing ayahuasca, another great experience is to go to these

1670
01:26:40,920 --> 01:26:44,679
Speaker 1: ancient places and do ayahuasca ceremonies to touch on those spirits.

1671
01:26:44,720 --> 01:26:46,920
Speaker 1: I've heard about that. Maybe we can do a radio

1672
01:26:46,960 --> 01:26:48,720
Speaker 1: show from there was some time, you know, down in

1673
01:26:48,760 --> 01:26:52,600
Speaker 1: like Peru or Biloos or something. But my dad, Uh,

1674
01:26:52,960 --> 01:26:55,360
Speaker 1: back in the day, growing up, I'd see all these

1675
01:26:55,439 --> 01:26:58,519
Speaker 1: these jars where grind up stuff. And that's how it

1676
01:26:58,600 --> 01:27:00,679
Speaker 1: used to be. Back in the day. You'd get plants

1677
01:27:00,720 --> 01:27:02,920
Speaker 1: grinding up, and you wouldn't go to the doctor. You

1678
01:27:02,920 --> 01:27:06,200
Speaker 1: go to the pharmacist. And I've heard through the grapevine

1679
01:27:06,880 --> 01:27:09,880
Speaker 1: big Pharma who has a lot of heat on it

1680
01:27:09,880 --> 01:27:12,519
Speaker 1: because they've just been busted, you know, with the oxy

1681
01:27:12,560 --> 01:27:15,639
Speaker 1: cotones and all this stuff they knew was addictive. They

1682
01:27:15,680 --> 01:27:19,280
Speaker 1: put in this uh you know, the this the pr saying, oh,

1683
01:27:19,320 --> 01:27:22,320
Speaker 1: all these herbal remedies are bunk, it's not real, when

1684
01:27:22,360 --> 01:27:24,280
Speaker 1: actually it was real. And that's why we got away

1685
01:27:24,320 --> 01:27:26,720
Speaker 1: from it. And my dad is actually open to a

1686
01:27:26,760 --> 01:27:28,719
Speaker 1: lot of it because he's seen what all the pills

1687
01:27:28,720 --> 01:27:30,559
Speaker 1: and all the stuff has done. It was down in

1688
01:27:30,640 --> 01:27:33,960
Speaker 1: Mississippi and Louisiana. You have a Haitian influence, you have

1689
01:27:34,200 --> 01:27:37,800
Speaker 1: Creole and well you have the Indians, uh back in

1690
01:27:37,840 --> 01:27:40,680
Speaker 1: the day who had their own herbal remedies. See back

1691
01:27:40,680 --> 01:27:44,960
Speaker 1: in the day eighteen hundred seventeen hundreds, there's a lot

1692
01:27:44,960 --> 01:27:49,400
Speaker 1: of intermixing between the natives and colonialists or Southerners all

1693
01:27:49,400 --> 01:27:51,639
Speaker 1: that stuff. And then you have the Africans come over

1694
01:27:51,640 --> 01:27:54,519
Speaker 1: as slaves. They would bring over their herbal stuff too.

1695
01:27:54,920 --> 01:27:58,320
Speaker 1: So right now, even some of uh black people in Mississippi,

1696
01:27:58,360 --> 01:28:00,960
Speaker 1: they they do is called pick up, so they eat

1697
01:28:01,160 --> 01:28:03,880
Speaker 1: dirt to clean them out. And that's something that's been

1698
01:28:03,880 --> 01:28:06,400
Speaker 1: passed down from generation to generation. Pick it that was

1699
01:28:06,439 --> 01:28:09,400
Speaker 1: where they eat dirt, specific dirty just like I guess

1700
01:28:09,400 --> 01:28:12,360
Speaker 1: it's like Yeah, it's like just dirt or whatever, and

1701
01:28:12,680 --> 01:28:14,519
Speaker 1: they do stuff like that. So you have all these

1702
01:28:14,640 --> 01:28:18,800
Speaker 1: old herbal remedies and some would say witchcraft. It's still

1703
01:28:18,840 --> 01:28:22,680
Speaker 1: done very spiritual and all that stuff, you know. And Uh,

1704
01:28:22,800 --> 01:28:25,880
Speaker 1: I've been getting into uh if you if you need

1705
01:28:25,880 --> 01:28:30,000
Speaker 1: to learn transmidental meditation, I went to David Lynch Foundation. Uh,

1706
01:28:30,040 --> 01:28:32,280
Speaker 1: there's it's here. It's just that for you all if

1707
01:28:32,280 --> 01:28:35,280
Speaker 1: you want to do that, but it's free for veterans.

1708
01:28:35,840 --> 01:28:39,280
Speaker 1: And also I was in there with uh a female

1709
01:28:39,320 --> 01:28:42,040
Speaker 1: she's originally from Jamaica and her church would do stuff

1710
01:28:42,080 --> 01:28:44,519
Speaker 1: too that was very spiritual. And so you go down

1711
01:28:44,520 --> 01:28:48,960
Speaker 1: the deep South, they still I'm not sure they put

1712
01:28:49,000 --> 01:28:50,840
Speaker 1: you in a they put you in a church for

1713
01:28:50,920 --> 01:28:55,360
Speaker 1: three days blacked out. You're in pitch black, and then

1714
01:28:55,479 --> 01:28:57,800
Speaker 1: you they bring you food, all that stuff, and then

1715
01:28:57,840 --> 01:28:59,920
Speaker 1: they'd show you the show you light and suppose the

1716
01:29:00,080 --> 01:29:03,800
Speaker 1: like once the sun hits you, it turned. It's like

1717
01:29:03,840 --> 01:29:06,519
Speaker 1: an intense d m T experience when it hits you.

1718
01:29:07,120 --> 01:29:11,080
Speaker 1: And especially ancients would also put people in caves and

1719
01:29:11,840 --> 01:29:16,360
Speaker 1: for like a month and then the back like a

1720
01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:21,360
Speaker 1: caveman times. And not only that, well, also you mentioned

1721
01:29:21,479 --> 01:29:26,280
Speaker 1: funny you mentioned that caveman times whatever. When you come

1722
01:29:26,280 --> 01:29:28,720
Speaker 1: out of that cave at night, they put you on

1723
01:29:28,760 --> 01:29:32,360
Speaker 1: a mountain. So when this their sunrise, when the sun

1724
01:29:32,520 --> 01:29:36,200
Speaker 1: hits you and it interacts with the melanine in your skin,

1725
01:29:36,400 --> 01:29:38,840
Speaker 1: it creates an intense d m T experience. You start,

1726
01:29:39,200 --> 01:29:44,080
Speaker 1: you start traveling a journeying again. So you know, that's

1727
01:29:44,240 --> 01:29:47,120
Speaker 1: that's another way to to replicate d m T. There's

1728
01:29:47,120 --> 01:29:50,400
Speaker 1: so many different ways. And then what's the place in

1729
01:29:50,479 --> 01:29:52,960
Speaker 1: Costa Rica that people should if for the d M

1730
01:29:53,479 --> 01:29:55,599
Speaker 1: that's kind of that's on the download, right, Yeah, that's

1731
01:29:55,680 --> 01:29:57,880
Speaker 1: kind of on the download. But I will as we

1732
01:29:57,960 --> 01:30:00,800
Speaker 1: progress towards other stuff, like I'll let y'all know about that.

1733
01:30:01,080 --> 01:30:04,240
Speaker 1: So uh but yeah, my my coach again just to

1734
01:30:04,280 --> 01:30:07,599
Speaker 1: say them again, is Evan Ozmatt great Abu Gang coach.

1735
01:30:08,200 --> 01:30:10,960
Speaker 1: And I think he he lived in a Buddhist temple

1736
01:30:11,000 --> 01:30:12,960
Speaker 1: for like a year, meditating and all this other so

1737
01:30:13,160 --> 01:30:16,519
Speaker 1: he knows all the meditating, all the mushrooms, all that stuff.

1738
01:30:16,640 --> 01:30:20,960
Speaker 1: Jamie Learner, she's an ayahuasca goddess. I guess he could say, uh,

1739
01:30:21,000 --> 01:30:24,600
Speaker 1: you know, not to defend the spirits. So but she

1740
01:30:24,800 --> 01:30:28,120
Speaker 1: lived in Terra PoTA, Peru, for four years. She knows

1741
01:30:28,160 --> 01:30:30,479
Speaker 1: what she's doing. I mean, the people I do that

1742
01:30:30,800 --> 01:30:33,160
Speaker 1: this experience is not just like hey did ayahuasca, I

1743
01:30:33,200 --> 01:30:34,960
Speaker 1: can coach you, I can do this. You know. It's

1744
01:30:35,000 --> 01:30:37,040
Speaker 1: not like that. You know, and you know that I

1745
01:30:37,040 --> 01:30:38,800
Speaker 1: am Waska may tell you like we want you to

1746
01:30:38,840 --> 01:30:40,599
Speaker 1: do X y Z, we want you to go down

1747
01:30:40,680 --> 01:30:44,000
Speaker 1: to you know. It's it's a calling, is what they say. Intuition,

1748
01:30:44,640 --> 01:30:47,320
Speaker 1: and uh yeah, it's just it's just another one of

1749
01:30:47,360 --> 01:30:52,920
Speaker 1: those experiences for you know. I sugges everybody definitely, especially

1750
01:30:52,960 --> 01:30:54,960
Speaker 1: in this town. You know. And that's why I've heard

1751
01:30:54,960 --> 01:30:57,360
Speaker 1: a lot of people in finance, finance bros and uh

1752
01:30:57,479 --> 01:31:00,080
Speaker 1: tech people take people, especially the more open but a

1753
01:31:00,080 --> 01:31:01,880
Speaker 1: lot of the finance people are getting into that they're

1754
01:31:01,880 --> 01:31:05,080
Speaker 1: going to Connecticut and all these other places because the

1755
01:31:05,080 --> 01:31:07,320
Speaker 1: stress of this town and they've done all the peals

1756
01:31:07,320 --> 01:31:10,120
Speaker 1: and the drugs. They're like, hey, I'm just gonna do this,

1757
01:31:10,640 --> 01:31:14,040
Speaker 1: especially with Joe Rogan coming out and you know, all

1758
01:31:14,040 --> 01:31:16,320
Speaker 1: these other guys coming out saying they're doing it. So

1759
01:31:17,040 --> 01:31:19,599
Speaker 1: it's wild man. Yeah, it's a whole new world. Yeah,

1760
01:31:19,600 --> 01:31:21,479
Speaker 1: it's a whole new world. And uh, I guess to

1761
01:31:21,560 --> 01:31:25,719
Speaker 1: plug a nonprofit especially you know hero Carts has done great,

1762
01:31:25,840 --> 01:31:28,120
Speaker 1: great things. Uh, you know, donate to them. And also

1763
01:31:28,200 --> 01:31:31,200
Speaker 1: another one, I help out Military Assistance Foundation. It helps

1764
01:31:31,280 --> 01:31:33,960
Speaker 1: veterans getting the top tier institutions. I know a lot

1765
01:31:34,000 --> 01:31:36,479
Speaker 1: of the Sault veterans are going through it because it's

1766
01:31:36,520 --> 01:31:40,760
Speaker 1: just not only processes them for getting into an institution,

1767
01:31:40,880 --> 01:31:44,080
Speaker 1: but helps them transition to that institution and also the

1768
01:31:44,200 --> 01:31:47,160
Speaker 1: jobs on the back end of career aspect as well.

1769
01:31:46,720 --> 01:31:50,120
Speaker 1: And since you spent so much time at Colombia, I mean,

1770
01:31:50,160 --> 01:31:51,840
Speaker 1: do you have I know a lot of a lot

1771
01:31:51,840 --> 01:31:53,479
Speaker 1: of guys get down on it, and and I even get

1772
01:31:53,479 --> 01:31:55,800
Speaker 1: criticized for having gone to that college because I'm a

1773
01:31:55,840 --> 01:31:58,920
Speaker 1: pinko liberal commy and all. Yeah, but I mean I

1774
01:31:59,040 --> 01:32:01,240
Speaker 1: encouraged you to go, and you're definitely not a pinko

1775
01:32:01,320 --> 01:32:05,360
Speaker 1: liberal com I encouraged you to go because I just

1776
01:32:05,360 --> 01:32:07,240
Speaker 1: thought it was a good stepping stone for you to

1777
01:32:07,600 --> 01:32:09,920
Speaker 1: go through in life. And I mean you've been up

1778
01:32:09,920 --> 01:32:11,599
Speaker 1: there longer than I was, because you went to got

1779
01:32:11,680 --> 01:32:14,040
Speaker 1: your master's degree. Also, I mean, do you have any

1780
01:32:14,120 --> 01:32:17,240
Speaker 1: any suggestions for other veterans who are thinking about pursuing

1781
01:32:17,360 --> 01:32:20,479
Speaker 1: Ivy League educations? Yeah? Do it a lot of guys

1782
01:32:20,520 --> 01:32:23,040
Speaker 1: do you select themselves, especially special operations too. I know

1783
01:32:23,080 --> 01:32:27,400
Speaker 1: a lot of guys in Ranger, Bad Team, whatever, Seal guys,

1784
01:32:27,960 --> 01:32:30,639
Speaker 1: they're just like, I can't do it. It's like apply,

1785
01:32:31,680 --> 01:32:34,840
Speaker 1: you just apply. I hope you out. I'll go through

1786
01:32:34,840 --> 01:32:37,679
Speaker 1: the process, I'll coach you. Um a lot of guys

1787
01:32:37,760 --> 01:32:39,280
Speaker 1: just don't know what's out there. If I had to

1788
01:32:39,320 --> 01:32:41,000
Speaker 1: do all over, I'll do it again. I mean, there's

1789
01:32:41,040 --> 01:32:43,080
Speaker 1: no And you got the g I bill too, So

1790
01:32:43,280 --> 01:32:44,720
Speaker 1: you got the g I Bill. I used to voke

1791
01:32:44,800 --> 01:32:47,680
Speaker 1: rehab and paid for everything I had injuries, have a

1792
01:32:47,760 --> 01:32:50,920
Speaker 1: battery inside of me, so I was approved for vocational

1793
01:32:51,000 --> 01:32:55,559
Speaker 1: rehab and um uh. And it's just go to it.

1794
01:32:55,720 --> 01:32:59,640
Speaker 1: Do it. And because if you don't do it, you

1795
01:32:59,640 --> 01:33:01,799
Speaker 1: don't supply you're regretted for the rest of your especially

1796
01:33:01,880 --> 01:33:05,160
Speaker 1: special operations. I mean, like I said, the g I

1797
01:33:05,240 --> 01:33:07,439
Speaker 1: Bill is there. I mean, and this is what I

1798
01:33:07,439 --> 01:33:08,960
Speaker 1: think I told you two is. I mean, use it

1799
01:33:09,000 --> 01:33:10,840
Speaker 1: the better yourself. I mean, make use of it, get

1800
01:33:10,880 --> 01:33:13,640
Speaker 1: the most out of it you possibly can. You know, Yeah,

1801
01:33:13,880 --> 01:33:16,960
Speaker 1: and you're gonna regret it if you don't. And besides,

1802
01:33:17,000 --> 01:33:19,719
Speaker 1: what else are you gonna do? Come apply to Columbia.

1803
01:33:19,720 --> 01:33:21,640
Speaker 1: If you get in, especially if you don't know what

1804
01:33:21,720 --> 01:33:24,080
Speaker 1: to do next, that's what you should do. You should

1805
01:33:24,080 --> 01:33:25,840
Speaker 1: go to go to college, use a g I bill,

1806
01:33:25,960 --> 01:33:28,639
Speaker 1: and you've got four years to figure at the fun out. Yeah,

1807
01:33:28,680 --> 01:33:32,200
Speaker 1: and you have a place like Columbia, which is probably

1808
01:33:32,200 --> 01:33:34,519
Speaker 1: one of the most VET friendly, not only VET friendly,

1809
01:33:35,200 --> 01:33:38,640
Speaker 1: but they want you to be successful because you are

1810
01:33:38,760 --> 01:33:41,160
Speaker 1: like an ambassador. It's the same with the military. You're

1811
01:33:41,160 --> 01:33:45,160
Speaker 1: an ambassador even though look at all these Seventniversity of

1812
01:33:45,200 --> 01:33:48,000
Speaker 1: D Day, these old guys are still carrying around their

1813
01:33:48,120 --> 01:33:51,320
Speaker 1: unit colors and everything. You're an ambassador of your unit

1814
01:33:51,400 --> 01:33:53,559
Speaker 1: till the day you die. And it's the same with Columbia.

1815
01:33:53,600 --> 01:33:56,640
Speaker 1: They realize that. So Columbia understands the game. They're switched on.

1816
01:33:56,920 --> 01:33:59,960
Speaker 1: They want you to be successful, and that's why they're entertained,

1817
01:34:00,000 --> 01:34:04,400
Speaker 1: meaning the film program undergrad film because they see a

1818
01:34:04,400 --> 01:34:08,280
Speaker 1: lot of veterans are not going into it's not as

1819
01:34:08,320 --> 01:34:11,640
Speaker 1: successful in finance just because the environment. They want to

1820
01:34:11,640 --> 01:34:13,439
Speaker 1: be content creators and go to movies. Look at what

1821
01:34:13,520 --> 01:34:15,519
Speaker 1: happened after World War Two. Not to go on a

1822
01:34:15,520 --> 01:34:18,200
Speaker 1: tangent and I'm kind of I started doing my own thing,

1823
01:34:18,280 --> 01:34:21,680
Speaker 1: not to be competition. But doing some podcasting, I have

1824
01:34:21,720 --> 01:34:25,559
Speaker 1: the trans Human Broadcast and go to the instagram the

1825
01:34:25,600 --> 01:34:28,559
Speaker 1: trans human and the trans Human Broadcast because I just

1826
01:34:28,640 --> 01:34:30,479
Speaker 1: kind of play on words the trans human, because I

1827
01:34:30,520 --> 01:34:33,640
Speaker 1: have all this machinery inside of me, and uh, you know,

1828
01:34:33,680 --> 01:34:39,000
Speaker 1: I guess I'm trends and uh, you know, I don't

1829
01:34:39,000 --> 01:34:41,080
Speaker 1: see I don't see a parade for me. You know,

1830
01:34:41,400 --> 01:34:43,559
Speaker 1: I don't see machinery. I guess I go to you know,

1831
01:34:43,680 --> 01:34:47,719
Speaker 1: some gaming convention, you know. So Uh, but they see

1832
01:34:47,800 --> 01:34:51,360
Speaker 1: they're they're intelligent. They see that, you know, a lot

1833
01:34:51,360 --> 01:34:55,080
Speaker 1: of these veterans they need to go maybe be content creators.

1834
01:34:55,080 --> 01:34:57,160
Speaker 1: Going to the entertainment industry. And at Columbia, your g

1835
01:34:57,280 --> 01:35:00,000
Speaker 1: I billill pay you. How to write a script, Uh,

1836
01:35:00,200 --> 01:35:02,240
Speaker 1: hold a camera, how to do a document they have,

1837
01:35:02,479 --> 01:35:04,479
Speaker 1: how to shoot a documentary, how to do all of this.

1838
01:35:05,120 --> 01:35:08,120
Speaker 1: And now you're in New York. You you have these

1839
01:35:08,160 --> 01:35:10,600
Speaker 1: opportunities to actually do do your own stuff, be a

1840
01:35:10,640 --> 01:35:13,479
Speaker 1: content creator. And you look after World War Two, we

1841
01:35:13,560 --> 01:35:17,400
Speaker 1: talked about Lee, Marvin, Charles Bronson, all these great actors

1842
01:35:17,400 --> 01:35:19,600
Speaker 1: who were just men. And I think that if I

1843
01:35:19,640 --> 01:35:22,280
Speaker 1: recall correctly, the School of General Studies at Columbia was

1844
01:35:22,320 --> 01:35:26,280
Speaker 1: created after World War to get veterans because Eisenhower was

1845
01:35:26,280 --> 01:35:29,639
Speaker 1: the president of the school. Uh, to get veterans into

1846
01:35:29,680 --> 01:35:32,320
Speaker 1: the into the courses. And I'm glad you brought that

1847
01:35:32,400 --> 01:35:35,439
Speaker 1: up too, because a lot of people have that opinion

1848
01:35:35,520 --> 01:35:38,320
Speaker 1: that all these these fucking liberal professors and it's like

1849
01:35:38,360 --> 01:35:42,120
Speaker 1: that's the insecurity speaking. It's like, no, they're very veteran

1850
01:35:42,160 --> 01:35:45,600
Speaker 1: friendly up there. Nobody's gonna spit on you, Okay, like

1851
01:35:45,760 --> 01:35:50,400
Speaker 1: get over yourself and go get your education. Yeah, I

1852
01:35:50,400 --> 01:35:52,599
Speaker 1: mean I have granted, you know, I'm not a pink

1853
01:35:52,640 --> 01:35:55,520
Speaker 1: o liberal. I think we all know this. And uh

1854
01:35:55,880 --> 01:35:57,920
Speaker 1: but a lot of my professors they knew where I

1855
01:35:58,040 --> 01:36:00,600
Speaker 1: was where us did. But there's still cool with me.

1856
01:36:00,640 --> 01:36:04,960
Speaker 1: You still hang out Judith Russell, very far liberal friends

1857
01:36:04,960 --> 01:36:07,639
Speaker 1: with Hillary Clay. You know Judith telln't you you've probably

1858
01:36:07,720 --> 01:36:10,040
Speaker 1: heard of her as she's yeah, she's like, you know,

1859
01:36:10,160 --> 01:36:12,840
Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton, that's her girl, all that stuff. But her

1860
01:36:12,920 --> 01:36:15,720
Speaker 1: dad was a pow in World War two and he

1861
01:36:15,800 --> 01:36:18,640
Speaker 1: was in the Pacific. Uh, my grandfather was in the

1862
01:36:18,680 --> 01:36:22,920
Speaker 1: Pacific two. And you're just gonna have a great experience

1863
01:36:22,960 --> 01:36:24,880
Speaker 1: in a sense, you're gonna be challenging. You're gonna see

1864
01:36:24,880 --> 01:36:27,040
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff. Listen. One thing Columbia knows how

1865
01:36:27,080 --> 01:36:29,920
Speaker 1: to do that's protest. You're gonna see a lot of protests.

1866
01:36:30,400 --> 01:36:33,400
Speaker 1: You know. Uh, you're gonna see a lot of stuff.

1867
01:36:33,439 --> 01:36:35,879
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, I feel like I'm back in Thailand

1868
01:36:35,920 --> 01:36:37,960
Speaker 1: so much. I see, you know, so many guys that

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01:36:38,040 --> 01:36:40,880
Speaker 1: are wearing dresses like am I back in Thailand? You know?

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01:36:42,240 --> 01:36:45,840
Speaker 1: But uh, you know, I'm not judging here, so but

1871
01:36:45,920 --> 01:36:48,960
Speaker 1: you're gonna see some stuff. But and again, especially the

1872
01:36:49,040 --> 01:36:51,360
Speaker 1: ranger bad guys up there, a lot of them. You know,

1873
01:36:51,520 --> 01:36:53,880
Speaker 1: they love their second amment. They're they're not on the

1874
01:36:54,000 --> 01:36:57,120
Speaker 1: left of the scale, so to speak, but they cannot

1875
01:36:57,200 --> 01:37:02,960
Speaker 1: deny the experiences, the opportunity ease all that stuff. That's awesome. Yeah,

1876
01:37:02,960 --> 01:37:04,760
Speaker 1: I feel the same way. I mean, I think it's

1877
01:37:04,800 --> 01:37:09,400
Speaker 1: a it's a good experience overall. Yeah, couldn't when it

1878
01:37:09,400 --> 01:37:12,040
Speaker 1: opens you up to the New York network too, And

1879
01:37:12,240 --> 01:37:17,679
Speaker 1: now with so many other people, especially in the psychedelic space,

1880
01:37:17,720 --> 01:37:19,760
Speaker 1: starting to get into New York, that's another thing for

1881
01:37:19,840 --> 01:37:23,560
Speaker 1: veterans to to kind of explore that from Colombia University,

1882
01:37:24,120 --> 01:37:27,320
Speaker 1: it kind of opens up that next step um, and uh.

1883
01:37:27,600 --> 01:37:31,280
Speaker 1: And honestly, with all the resources here, whatever, every anything

1884
01:37:31,320 --> 01:37:33,760
Speaker 1: you're dealing with, New York can kind of take care

1885
01:37:33,800 --> 01:37:36,040
Speaker 1: of whatever you're dealing with. To the resources here here,

1886
01:37:36,720 --> 01:37:38,519
Speaker 1: you know, you're not gonna find that out in the

1887
01:37:39,280 --> 01:37:41,160
Speaker 1: you know, unfortunately, you're not gonna find that in the

1888
01:37:41,160 --> 01:37:43,640
Speaker 1: middle of some of these states, some of these state colleges. Uh,

1889
01:37:44,520 --> 01:37:46,400
Speaker 1: you're just not gonna have it. It's true that there

1890
01:37:46,479 --> 01:37:48,280
Speaker 1: is a huge network here, and there is a big

1891
01:37:48,280 --> 01:37:51,880
Speaker 1: support infrastructure out there for people who are looking for it.

1892
01:37:51,880 --> 01:37:54,040
Speaker 1: It's just it's actually there's so much of it and

1893
01:37:54,120 --> 01:37:55,960
Speaker 1: so many not for profits and everything, it's kind of

1894
01:37:56,000 --> 01:37:58,360
Speaker 1: a question of where to start. Um, which is why

1895
01:37:58,400 --> 01:38:00,280
Speaker 1: I'm glad you came on here today to talk about

1896
01:38:00,320 --> 01:38:03,160
Speaker 1: at least the psychedelic stuff. Um. So people have a

1897
01:38:04,160 --> 01:38:06,719
Speaker 1: you know, they know where to look to. Yeah. Yeah,

1898
01:38:06,760 --> 01:38:08,800
Speaker 1: and that's and I got that's the thing I see,

1899
01:38:09,920 --> 01:38:11,800
Speaker 1: you know, I'm I'm in the scenes. I have my

1900
01:38:11,880 --> 01:38:14,760
Speaker 1: fingers and you know, different networks, and I see where

1901
01:38:14,760 --> 01:38:16,960
Speaker 1: they're going, and the networks are doing the right thing.

1902
01:38:17,439 --> 01:38:20,040
Speaker 1: But now I'm starting to notice the people who aren't

1903
01:38:20,040 --> 01:38:22,799
Speaker 1: in the networks trying to like figure out stuff themselves,

1904
01:38:22,880 --> 01:38:25,599
Speaker 1: and I don't want a guide to do something stupid

1905
01:38:25,680 --> 01:38:28,479
Speaker 1: and ruin it for the rest of everybody else, you know.

1906
01:38:28,640 --> 01:38:31,960
Speaker 1: So it's uh, you know, it's it's it's something that

1907
01:38:32,000 --> 01:38:34,160
Speaker 1: has to be handled professionally, and it can't be just

1908
01:38:34,240 --> 01:38:36,439
Speaker 1: cooked up like in a meth lab in your garage.

1909
01:38:36,920 --> 01:38:41,160
Speaker 1: You know, this aahuasca in your dorm room in Colombia. Yeah, yeah,

1910
01:38:41,240 --> 01:38:43,000
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's uh, you know, I don't want

1911
01:38:43,040 --> 01:38:45,160
Speaker 1: you doing bass salts, you know, or something, you know

1912
01:38:45,320 --> 01:38:48,160
Speaker 1: with ayahuasca. It's like that's not gonna help out. So

1913
01:38:48,280 --> 01:38:50,600
Speaker 1: but yeah, it's uh, you know. And and and the

1914
01:38:50,640 --> 01:38:52,920
Speaker 1: thing is the private sectors taken off. People are investing

1915
01:38:52,960 --> 01:38:56,200
Speaker 1: in it. Politicians are interested on both sides of the owl,

1916
01:38:56,240 --> 01:38:58,760
Speaker 1: which is it's starting to turn into kind of a

1917
01:38:58,800 --> 01:39:02,720
Speaker 1: biperson issue. When you got Trump approving ketamine, uh, and

1918
01:39:02,920 --> 01:39:07,920
Speaker 1: you look at uh, I think his chief of staff mulvaney,

1919
01:39:08,280 --> 01:39:14,120
Speaker 1: he approves of Creatum maybe because create Um from Thailand. Uh,

1920
01:39:15,439 --> 01:39:18,240
Speaker 1: createim episode, Okay, you know more than I did then.

1921
01:39:18,680 --> 01:39:22,479
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's a pain like they used to in

1922
01:39:22,479 --> 01:39:26,439
Speaker 1: in Thailand. It was helping out in the thirties. Uh,

1923
01:39:26,479 --> 01:39:28,360
Speaker 1: and then they banned it because they helped out too much.

1924
01:39:28,640 --> 01:39:30,400
Speaker 1: The government was like, whoa, we kind of want people

1925
01:39:30,400 --> 01:39:33,240
Speaker 1: in these opioids and stuff. And then now they're looking

1926
01:39:33,240 --> 01:39:36,080
Speaker 1: at bringing I think it's legalized again in Thailand, I believe,

1927
01:39:36,160 --> 01:39:39,320
Speaker 1: or they're going through the process and it's just another

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01:39:39,360 --> 01:39:41,400
Speaker 1: plant that helps people out. And then when you have

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Speaker 1: the Chief of staff, he's opening that stuff. You have Trump,

1930
01:39:44,200 --> 01:39:47,599
Speaker 1: no matter what you say, unconventional whatever, he is opening

1931
01:39:47,640 --> 01:39:50,240
Speaker 1: that door. Then you're seeing the mad that's look at

1932
01:39:50,280 --> 01:39:53,680
Speaker 1: CBD oil that's passed through Agriculture Bill, and now that

1933
01:39:53,720 --> 01:39:56,080
Speaker 1: you see ayahuasca and i boga can be grown for

1934
01:39:56,160 --> 01:39:59,160
Speaker 1: money as a new cash crop for for farmers who

1935
01:39:59,200 --> 01:40:02,559
Speaker 1: are struggling right now. You could see that past through

1936
01:40:02,560 --> 01:40:06,080
Speaker 1: Agriculture Bill as well. And then it eliminates the opioid epidemic.

1937
01:40:06,240 --> 01:40:10,160
Speaker 1: You know, it covers all bases who would have thought Trump,

1938
01:40:10,360 --> 01:40:13,320
Speaker 1: well not Trump, but I mean just us as Americans

1939
01:40:13,320 --> 01:40:17,880
Speaker 1: in general, that this could become um a medicine that

1940
01:40:17,960 --> 01:40:20,240
Speaker 1: you know, your your your doctor or somebody says, hey,

1941
01:40:20,320 --> 01:40:23,080
Speaker 1: yeah you need to go try this. Yeah, it's uh,

1942
01:40:23,120 --> 01:40:25,519
Speaker 1: it's it's something that you can't put the genie back

1943
01:40:25,520 --> 01:40:28,440
Speaker 1: in the bottle. It's out now, it's trying to be responsible.

1944
01:40:28,439 --> 01:40:32,200
Speaker 1: Was it's growing rapidly? You can't, big farmer can't say

1945
01:40:32,200 --> 01:40:34,040
Speaker 1: and big farmers on the ropes they what were they

1946
01:40:34,040 --> 01:40:35,920
Speaker 1: gonna say? Well, this doesn't work well. Listen, even feeding

1947
01:40:35,960 --> 01:40:38,760
Speaker 1: opioids to everybody for since the nineties and he knew

1948
01:40:38,840 --> 01:40:40,960
Speaker 1: was addictive. And some of these guys are going to

1949
01:40:41,040 --> 01:40:46,200
Speaker 1: prison rightfully. So uh and uh again with Oakland, if

1950
01:40:46,200 --> 01:40:48,479
Speaker 1: you read that whole story, I think it was a

1951
01:40:48,479 --> 01:40:50,840
Speaker 1: guy in politics there he just did. Uh. I think

1952
01:40:50,840 --> 01:40:53,479
Speaker 1: there's mushrooms or something. He he blasted off to another

1953
01:40:53,520 --> 01:40:55,680
Speaker 1: realm and he's like, wow, this is real and they

1954
01:40:55,680 --> 01:40:59,320
Speaker 1: got it decriminalized there. And again it's just you're just

1955
01:40:59,360 --> 01:41:03,320
Speaker 1: gonna see or more so damn well, Miles, can I

1956
01:41:03,439 --> 01:41:05,639
Speaker 1: can I plug? Can I do a shameless plug or whatever?

1957
01:41:06,240 --> 01:41:10,040
Speaker 1: I'll plug away? Don't don't edit this. Uh again, I

1958
01:41:10,080 --> 01:41:12,320
Speaker 1: wanted to say, you know, being true to you, the

1959
01:41:12,360 --> 01:41:17,240
Speaker 1: coach Evan Ozma Abu Gain, great guy, Jamie Lerner, I

1960
01:41:18,360 --> 01:41:22,120
Speaker 1: you know, great opportunity there and uh Jesse Gold hero

1961
01:41:22,560 --> 01:41:25,240
Speaker 1: hero a Carridge Project, thank you for letting me go

1962
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Speaker 1: to Peru and Military Assistance Foundation. Uh. They're great for

1963
01:41:31,280 --> 01:41:34,080
Speaker 1: veterans getting the top tier institutions. And also check out

1964
01:41:34,720 --> 01:41:36,920
Speaker 1: uh no Competition to y'all. Y are the alpha, the yard,

1965
01:41:37,000 --> 01:41:40,360
Speaker 1: the omega of this podcast. You know the trans Human

1966
01:41:40,360 --> 01:41:44,519
Speaker 1: broadcast on Instagram and uh podcast and also the trans

1967
01:41:44,560 --> 01:41:48,920
Speaker 1: Human on Instagram. But uh, yeah, guys, and uh, you

1968
01:41:48,960 --> 01:41:50,800
Speaker 1: know Chris Odelet telling said, Hi, if you ever go

1969
01:41:50,880 --> 01:41:54,120
Speaker 1: to Peru to do Ayahuascam, which I'm assume Jack, you

1970
01:41:54,160 --> 01:41:55,840
Speaker 1: will be going and doing a lot of this. Here's

1971
01:41:56,640 --> 01:41:58,080
Speaker 1: I might I might be willing to go give it

1972
01:41:58,120 --> 01:42:00,599
Speaker 1: a try. I don't know if I'm how deep down

1973
01:42:00,600 --> 01:42:03,519
Speaker 1: that rabbit hole i'd go, but I'll say I'm open

1974
01:42:03,560 --> 01:42:06,840
Speaker 1: to the idea. Yeah, it's I mean, look at me.

1975
01:42:06,840 --> 01:42:08,960
Speaker 1: I won't even drink alcohol. Still, I hate it. I

1976
01:42:09,560 --> 01:42:11,120
Speaker 1: hate it. I know I've never seen you drink in

1977
01:42:11,160 --> 01:42:14,240
Speaker 1: my life. Yeah, nobody really has. And I hate alcohol.

1978
01:42:14,320 --> 01:42:17,599
Speaker 1: I hate all the smoking people like cigars. Somebody trying

1979
01:42:17,600 --> 01:42:19,400
Speaker 1: to ask for scars, like, get that garbage away from me,

1980
01:42:19,479 --> 01:42:21,720
Speaker 1: you know. And it's like, not to be pretentious, but

1981
01:42:21,760 --> 01:42:24,800
Speaker 1: I just I've never had a taste for it. But this, yeah,

1982
01:42:25,439 --> 01:42:27,680
Speaker 1: but yeah, yeah, thank you for having me. And you know,

1983
01:42:27,720 --> 01:42:30,559
Speaker 1: I hope. Uh, it opens up more doors where people

1984
01:42:30,600 --> 01:42:32,519
Speaker 1: are more responsible to go to the right places to

1985
01:42:32,560 --> 01:42:34,840
Speaker 1: get it. So yeah, anytime, Miles, I'd love to have

1986
01:42:34,880 --> 01:42:39,400
Speaker 1: you back on. All right, thank you, Well that was interesting.

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01:42:39,520 --> 01:42:43,800
Speaker 1: I wanna thank your friend, Miles grant them. Um, Jeff

1988
01:42:43,840 --> 01:42:47,920
Speaker 1: opened our eyes to this and Miles blew the doors. Yeah,

1989
01:42:47,920 --> 01:42:49,920
Speaker 1: it took us the rest of the way. I mean,

1990
01:42:50,160 --> 01:42:54,680
Speaker 1: it's wild stuff. Um, I mean I I has I

1991
01:42:54,680 --> 01:42:58,200
Speaker 1: don't want to say it's crazy stuff and and be uh,

1992
01:42:58,240 --> 01:43:01,200
Speaker 1: you know, dismissive of it. I mean, it is pretty

1993
01:43:01,200 --> 01:43:06,720
Speaker 1: wild I opening for sure. Um, just the fact that

1994
01:43:06,760 --> 01:43:11,040
Speaker 1: he got into way more detail than than Jeff did. Jeff,

1995
01:43:11,120 --> 01:43:12,720
Speaker 1: you know, just kind of mentioned it in passing and

1996
01:43:12,720 --> 01:43:15,840
Speaker 1: then luckily you caught on and asked, you know, follow ups.

1997
01:43:15,840 --> 01:43:18,040
Speaker 1: But we were at the you know, halfway through two Thursday,

1998
01:43:18,120 --> 01:43:20,160
Speaker 1: right through the interview, so it was kind of you know,

1999
01:43:20,200 --> 01:43:23,519
Speaker 1: he just he broached the topic for us, and then

2000
01:43:23,800 --> 01:43:25,960
Speaker 1: Miles said he heard a little bit of it, and

2001
01:43:25,960 --> 01:43:27,320
Speaker 1: he was like, oh, I can tell you guys about

2002
01:43:27,600 --> 01:43:31,320
Speaker 1: like my experience, and we'd be idiots to pass obviously

2003
01:43:31,520 --> 01:43:33,400
Speaker 1: when you guys, yeah, and I mean it's no bullshit

2004
01:43:33,560 --> 01:43:36,679
Speaker 1: like Miles. I've never seen him drink in my life.

2005
01:43:36,920 --> 01:43:39,479
Speaker 1: And I me and Miles have known each other since

2006
01:43:40,600 --> 01:43:45,679
Speaker 1: two thousand five, maybe two thousand four, two thousand five

2007
01:43:47,360 --> 01:43:50,040
Speaker 1: him for a while. Uh, and I've never seen him

2008
01:43:50,120 --> 01:43:52,920
Speaker 1: drink a drop of alcohol. Does not drink at all,

2009
01:43:53,040 --> 01:43:55,160
Speaker 1: I mean he said he doesn't, you know, no, no

2010
01:43:55,320 --> 01:43:58,880
Speaker 1: smoking of any kind rarely, and it's just a shot

2011
01:43:58,920 --> 01:44:01,800
Speaker 1: to appease people. Yeah. So for for Miles to like

2012
01:44:01,840 --> 01:44:05,600
Speaker 1: go down this road taking d M T in Hiauaska

2013
01:44:05,720 --> 01:44:09,000
Speaker 1: is like, holy sh it, man, Yeah, this guy isn't

2014
01:44:09,120 --> 01:44:13,080
Speaker 1: some hippie who was playing hackensack in the quad, you know. Uh,

2015
01:44:13,320 --> 01:44:16,200
Speaker 1: So I I have to think that there's something to it.

2016
01:44:16,360 --> 01:44:19,120
Speaker 1: And um, you know, if if guys like Jeff and

2017
01:44:19,160 --> 01:44:21,080
Speaker 1: Miles are going down there and doing this and it's

2018
01:44:21,120 --> 01:44:23,680
Speaker 1: improving their lives, I mean I'm all for it, you know.

2019
01:44:23,840 --> 01:44:25,760
Speaker 1: I mean that's two guys on the podcast. We're two

2020
01:44:25,760 --> 01:44:29,000
Speaker 1: for two with with positive reactions. Yeah. Yeah. I mean,

2021
01:44:29,040 --> 01:44:31,360
Speaker 1: if if it's there's only positive things coming out of it,

2022
01:44:31,439 --> 01:44:34,799
Speaker 1: you know, then then why not support it and encourage

2023
01:44:34,840 --> 01:44:42,479
Speaker 1: other people to consider it? Absolutely? Um, I mean he

2024
01:44:42,600 --> 01:44:45,840
Speaker 1: spoke for over an hour and a half. I don't

2025
01:44:45,840 --> 01:44:48,120
Speaker 1: think there's much that needs to be set on our part.

2026
01:44:49,280 --> 01:44:52,840
Speaker 1: You guys, are you the listener, You'll be enjoying this.

2027
01:44:52,840 --> 01:44:57,800
Speaker 1: This was this was fun. Yeah, and he was he

2028
01:44:57,840 --> 01:44:59,559
Speaker 1: was passionate about I mean, he was in studio with

2029
01:44:59,640 --> 01:45:04,240
Speaker 1: us like that was that was very enjoyable and especially like,

2030
01:45:05,120 --> 01:45:07,240
Speaker 1: I know you haven't tried it. I I haven't. But

2031
01:45:08,080 --> 01:45:10,040
Speaker 1: the more people we talked to about this, the more

2032
01:45:10,080 --> 01:45:13,679
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, him talking about them, like having

2033
01:45:13,760 --> 01:45:16,760
Speaker 1: questions to ask. That part intrigued me. It was like

2034
01:45:16,800 --> 01:45:20,000
Speaker 1: going there with some thought and be like, you know

2035
01:45:21,000 --> 01:45:23,720
Speaker 1: what happened here? Like he was. He had mentioned some

2036
01:45:23,720 --> 01:45:27,200
Speaker 1: stuff to me off off air and it was like, oh,

2037
01:45:27,280 --> 01:45:28,880
Speaker 1: you can ask questions like that and he was like,

2038
01:45:28,880 --> 01:45:31,479
Speaker 1: oh absolutely, and he's like in the in the higher

2039
01:45:31,520 --> 01:45:34,800
Speaker 1: being will answer that for you. And it's like that's yeah,

2040
01:45:35,240 --> 01:45:38,920
Speaker 1: that's crazy, not not not dismissive crazy, but it's obviously

2041
01:45:38,960 --> 01:45:44,760
Speaker 1: not like other you know, drugs quote unquote um that.

2042
01:45:44,760 --> 01:45:47,200
Speaker 1: That's what's interesting about it to me is that like

2043
01:45:47,400 --> 01:45:50,360
Speaker 1: you go under and it's like you're having a conversation

2044
01:45:50,439 --> 01:45:53,200
Speaker 1: with this plant, medicine whatever, whatever it is. It is

2045
01:45:53,240 --> 01:45:56,200
Speaker 1: a two way. I think the plant medicine is such

2046
01:45:56,200 --> 01:45:58,360
Speaker 1: a better term than psychedelics that just has such a

2047
01:45:58,400 --> 01:46:03,760
Speaker 1: negative connotation, Like plant medicine sounds not not all. There's

2048
01:46:03,760 --> 01:46:06,160
Speaker 1: a such thing as like synthetic D M T and

2049
01:46:06,479 --> 01:46:08,200
Speaker 1: M d M A. I think it is. Also it

2050
01:46:08,280 --> 01:46:11,439
Speaker 1: is synthetic, So I mean it's not all plant medicine. Um,

2051
01:46:11,520 --> 01:46:16,200
Speaker 1: but I understand the difference between the two. Um. So yeah,

2052
01:46:16,280 --> 01:46:20,200
Speaker 1: that that's gonna wrap up episode seventy. I'm just gonna

2053
01:46:20,200 --> 01:46:24,280
Speaker 1: do ad reads quick. Um. For seventy one, we're gonna

2054
01:46:24,280 --> 01:46:26,880
Speaker 1: have on. We know we we're gonna have on. Joe.

2055
01:46:27,840 --> 01:46:30,240
Speaker 1: We thought we're gonna have him on this episode. Miles

2056
01:46:30,280 --> 01:46:32,479
Speaker 1: just took it and ran with it. Luckily Joe was

2057
01:46:32,520 --> 01:46:35,840
Speaker 1: cool enough to Uh, I don't want to say bump him,

2058
01:46:35,880 --> 01:46:38,800
Speaker 1: but he's gonna let us. He's gonna let us up. Well,

2059
01:46:39,120 --> 01:46:41,680
Speaker 1: just some people know what we're recording two episodes back

2060
01:46:41,720 --> 01:46:42,960
Speaker 1: to Oh, I didn't know if we wanted to ruin

2061
01:46:43,000 --> 01:46:44,719
Speaker 1: the surprise, but you know we can take the fourth

2062
01:46:44,720 --> 01:46:48,000
Speaker 1: of July worked up. We're doubling up. Yeah, yeah, okay,

2063
01:46:48,000 --> 01:46:51,400
Speaker 1: so yeah, so our next episode is gonna be jog

2064
01:46:51,400 --> 01:46:55,320
Speaker 1: a fave and I'm gonna call uh he should be available.

2065
01:46:55,439 --> 01:46:57,320
Speaker 1: We'll call him and see if he replies or not.

2066
01:46:57,400 --> 01:47:00,000
Speaker 1: My friend Joshua, who has been on the show maybe

2067
01:47:00,080 --> 01:47:02,600
Speaker 1: once or twice, um to talk about some stuff with

2068
01:47:02,640 --> 01:47:04,679
Speaker 1: the American Legion and we'll talk a little bit about

2069
01:47:04,720 --> 01:47:07,200
Speaker 1: the Fourth of July and the Revolutionary War on the

2070
01:47:07,200 --> 01:47:11,760
Speaker 1: next episode for our Fourth of July special. Great. I

2071
01:47:11,800 --> 01:47:14,639
Speaker 1: like that title, the fourth of July Special. UM, So

2072
01:47:14,920 --> 01:47:21,040
Speaker 1: thank you to Miles. Incredible, very very eye opening stuff.

2073
01:47:21,080 --> 01:47:23,160
Speaker 1: He was passionate about it. I mean, I feel like

2074
01:47:24,040 --> 01:47:26,080
Speaker 1: when the people are passionate about what they're talking about,

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