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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season eleven, episode four

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Speaker 1: of Dos Daly's Eight Guys for December twenty one, two

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Speaker 1: thousand seventeen. My name is Jack O'Brien, a K Jack

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Speaker 1: to the Future, and I'm joined by my co host,

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Speaker 1: Mr Miles Gray. Right, it's your boy, Miles Gravest. Whoa

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Speaker 1: I'd never I can't believe I didn't think of that.

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Speaker 1: Thank you to Simon work Davis. Yeah, who that's my

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Speaker 1: namesakes is once again courtesy of Trevor Uh and Trevors

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Speaker 1: like your ak writer now you ghost writers? Yeah, well

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Speaker 1: you just pop us those two, right and row uh

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Speaker 1: And we are thrilled to be joined once again by

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Speaker 1: the hilarious comedian and performer if what's up boy? If

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Speaker 1: Daz always staying breezy? I think I already said them,

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Speaker 1: but I don't worry. We were well, y'all had a

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Speaker 1: new one. And also today we have also another guest

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Speaker 1: happening later on that up front. Yeah, we have Drey

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Speaker 1: McKesson coming on later on. It is a great conversation

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Speaker 1: that'll be our mid chunk as we call it. But

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Speaker 1: up first, let's talk to if he about who he is? Uh,

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Speaker 1: if he what's something that you searched in the not

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Speaker 1: too distant past that is revealing about who you are

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Speaker 1: as a human being? Oh man, I think that would

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Speaker 1: have to be airline cards, an airline airline credit cards.

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Speaker 1: I'm always I'm always in the air. I'm fli as

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Speaker 1: fuck and ready to land somewhere. Yeah, we're gonna have

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Speaker 1: to just keep you grounded. You've got to fly away.

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Speaker 1: And also right out the bat, I want to give

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Speaker 1: a quick show, you know, because I don't know if

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Speaker 1: y'all know, it would be going down and the DZ

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Speaker 1: Instagram and it was getting popping, and you know, there's

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Speaker 1: there's some Yeah, there's something I gotta address. First thing

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about Calvin Lee Joseph. He asked

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Speaker 1: for a shout out, So what's up, Calvin. Thanks for

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Speaker 1: getting your co workers to listen to the show. You're

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Speaker 1: greatly appreciated. Uh yeah, Havin le Johns. I hope you're

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Speaker 1: going nuts. Send a video of your everyone's going nuts

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Speaker 1: for that shout out. Thank you for being a fan

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Speaker 1: of our podcast and not a presidential assassin like your

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Speaker 1: name makes you sound like you should be. Uh So, wait,

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Speaker 1: with flight cards or with with airline cards, Like I

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Speaker 1: always feel like I'm missing out on something because I

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Speaker 1: don't really use my Frequent Flyer miles as much as

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Speaker 1: I should. Yeah, because so with every dollar is a mile,

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Speaker 1: and when you use the airline, that's double the miles.

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Speaker 1: And I was real hyped for it because last year

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Speaker 1: my mother in law flew me to Argentina with miles

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Speaker 1: and wow, you racking them up like that. And so

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Speaker 1: I've always been a Delta sky Miles member because you know,

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Speaker 1: you know, I fly Delta. Delta got good first, Like

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Speaker 1: there was this like sudden increase of like the airlines

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Speaker 1: were suddenly like ship, we have to be nice now

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Speaker 1: and like give people movies for free. And Delta was

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Speaker 1: the first one to take that leap. So yeah, you

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Speaker 1: bet on the right horse. I am an American airline

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Speaker 1: and that ship took a while. You guys, there were

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Speaker 1: like two years where American Airlines was still like no,

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Speaker 1: you just get a barf bag. That's it. Like that's

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Speaker 1: still how we're how we're working on this side. Um, so,

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Speaker 1: what what's something that you think is overrated? Okay right now? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Mega Mark, Prince Harry very overrated, Like people are super

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Speaker 1: hype about it. People are like, oh my gosh, oh oh,

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Speaker 1: let's bound to this. This this British dude for realizing

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Speaker 1: a black queen as fine as hell, Like, no, dude, no,

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Speaker 1: And I think it's a conspiracy. I think I feel

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Speaker 1: like I hear way more Americans talking about this royal

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Speaker 1: the fuck? Okay, yeah, Prince William because we've got an

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Speaker 1: American in the game exactly. So this is all just

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Speaker 1: a power play to get us to give a funk

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Speaker 1: about their whole Like, oh, they're getting married, I don't care.

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Speaker 1: There's only one royal family and that's the Western Kardashians.

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Speaker 1: Y'all get on board. Get on board, get on board,

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Speaker 1: or get off under Oh no what Look he was

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Speaker 1: he could have been royalty, but he was assassinated by

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Speaker 1: Nazir so he never recovered from that. I mean he did.

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Speaker 1: I mean like, if you look at like the careers

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Speaker 1: in Family Life, yeah, I guess jay Z one, but

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Speaker 1: taking sides in the jay Z nasby like they hopped

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Speaker 1: off a time machine. Question, you're gonna believe what I

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Speaker 1: just saw. Well, I remembered it again when Remy Mad

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Speaker 1: did the sheet and I was like, oh, yeah, that

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Speaker 1: got here. It was super easy. So I went on

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Speaker 1: a trip with the has A Donut Media week. Are

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Speaker 1: you like shilling for the travel industry? Check man? You

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Speaker 1: guys love this look. I'm gonna be doing a lot

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Speaker 1: of traveling next year because you know, I've been flying

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Speaker 1: I need to get some incentive for all this money

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Speaker 1: this thing with Donut Media there. Uh they're like this

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Speaker 1: five hundred, so they flew me up. But whoever bought

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Speaker 1: the tickets had NASA pre check. I mean t s

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Speaker 1: a pre check, guys. I'm in two thousand seven ye

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Speaker 1: not not not a pre check too, I'm in two

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Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, this is way easier. Why why

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Speaker 1: what's going on? And I and I always thought that

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Speaker 1: it's five years. I was like, oh, then it's probably

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Speaker 1: like a million dollars. They're like, no, it's eighty five bucks.

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Speaker 1: They're like, but that's like I feel like the black

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Speaker 1: experience in the nutshell, Like anything you see like white

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna funk with it. Uh, And they're like, no,

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Speaker 1: it's actually very easy. Why haven't you signed up for

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Speaker 1: your free healthcare yet? What it's like that. It's also

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Speaker 1: nice because it gives you a taste of what it

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Speaker 1: must be like to be in first class. When you

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Speaker 1: I like to wait for people's coughing, babies and screaming

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Speaker 1: a real funny story about your girlfriend's t S A privilege. Yeah. See,

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Speaker 1: when you know, you're so used to not waiting, Like

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Speaker 1: We're trying to take a sample of the ideas that

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Speaker 1: of the global shared consciousness of our human species. Miles,

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Speaker 1: what's our temperature today? Temperature? I mean, god, I'm not

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Speaker 1: to say it's still getting hot to you know what

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Speaker 1: think it's a fever, but it's it's hotter than normal. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: to be false based on your personal experience. Oh a myth.

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Speaker 1: Like I grew up in Compton, right, Yeah, just watch

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Speaker 1: the music video. Yea, that's exactly what my right. That

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Speaker 1: structure should be right and they should be fair, and

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Speaker 1: that they shouldn't be the publis shouldn't beholden to like

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Speaker 1: the benevolence of a really good person in office or

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Speaker 1: in a role. And in Austin, you know, we made

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Speaker 1: all of the findings public. We did it for about

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Speaker 1: I think it's like sixty semi cities and my first

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Speaker 1: day to set and they saw it, like activists in

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Speaker 1: Austin saw it, and they started organizing and they called

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Speaker 1: us for support and we came and supported. But they

435
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Speaker 1: did the work, you know, they put it in. They

436
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Speaker 1: got people testified at the city council from three pm

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Speaker 1: to eleven pm. It was incredible. Hey, j this is

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Speaker 1: Miles Um. Just how to question just from like an

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Speaker 1: organizing just a question in general. UM. In the early

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Speaker 1: days and the build up to Obama's election in short after,

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Speaker 1: I was doing a lot of organizing, UM. And one

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Speaker 1: of the biggest things that I feel that you know,

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Speaker 1: you are just you have really figured out how to

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Speaker 1: just connect people to issues and overcome apathy, which is

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Speaker 1: usually like the hardest thing for anyone organizing. Just in

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Speaker 1: terms of like the last year, and I feel like

447
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Speaker 1: there's so many things to to be uh insensed about

448
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Speaker 1: and outraised and take to the streets. What what do

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Speaker 1: you suggest for people who you know might start to

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Speaker 1: feel a little bit of apathy coming on, because I

451
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Speaker 1: know a lot of people just are starting to feel

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Speaker 1: exhausted in a way. But there's still definitely a lot

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Speaker 1: of fight left. How do you kind of see the

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Speaker 1: role of overcoming apathy or or tactics to to overcome it,

455
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Speaker 1: to sort of to go into this next year. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, I hope has gotten a bad rep recently,

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Speaker 1: and I worry about the way that we talked about

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Speaker 1: hope in the public space. I think about hope as

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Speaker 1: a belief that our tomorrow's can be better than that today's.

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Speaker 1: And I think about hope is is work not magic?

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of people think about hope is

462
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Speaker 1: magic that like, to be hopeful means that you believe

463
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Speaker 1: in some sort of fairy that's going to come around

464
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Speaker 1: and like change the course of history. You know when

465
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Speaker 1: King talks about the the arc bends towards justice, you

466
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Speaker 1: know it bends because people bend it. It doesn't just

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Speaker 1: bend on its own. So when I think about what

468
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Speaker 1: keep saying hopeful is I've been all around the country

469
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Speaker 1: and around the world, and I see all these people

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Speaker 1: like realize that they can do something, They realize that

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Speaker 1: they are going to be heard, that they have power

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Speaker 1: in a different way. When we think about what they

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Speaker 1: mean to stand power people, it's like, I can't give

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Speaker 1: you power, right like we can't give each other power.

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Speaker 1: We can do though, it's help people find the power

476
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Speaker 1: that they have. We can help restore structural power to

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Speaker 1: people that they they should have. And like I've seen

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Speaker 1: people realize that we never think about the the voiceless.

479
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Speaker 1: We've always thought about the unheard and all across the country,

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Speaker 1: like you see people and like that gives me that

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Speaker 1: feels is understanding that like tomorrow can be better, Like

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Speaker 1: we can make this better. There are some people who

483
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Speaker 1: believe like God created you know, earth man and white supremacy,

484
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Speaker 1: and I'll never can see that this is like an

485
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Speaker 1: original creation, right, Like when people say the system is

486
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Speaker 1: working how it was designed, it's like that to me,

487
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Speaker 1: isn't actually hopeless? Like that to me is a reminder

488
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Speaker 1: that like people made this, and because people made it,

489
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Speaker 1: we can make it something different. That's cool. That's a

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Speaker 1: really good point. Yeah, you guys met with Agit Pie.

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Speaker 1: I think I heard you say before he repealed net neutrality, Uh,

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Speaker 1: what were you hoping to accomplish with that meeting? And

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Speaker 1: like what what did you accomplish? Yeah? So we did.

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Speaker 1: We met that he the chairman of the FCC, UH

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Speaker 1: probably a week before the vote a little bit less

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Speaker 1: than a week before the vote. You know, I met

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Speaker 1: as he at a conference. We sat next to each other.

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Speaker 1: We're both speaking at a conference and we sat next

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Speaker 1: each other and he was nice and we had a

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Speaker 1: great conversation, and we have been trying to schedule a

501
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Speaker 1: meeting in person, and it's just like the calendars in Morgan. Finally,

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Speaker 1: you know, I wish we'd been able to have the

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Speaker 1: conversation not so close to the vote. But I proposed

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Speaker 1: to day in October, and he could do it and

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Speaker 1: I couldn't do it. So it ended up being what

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Speaker 1: it is. But you know, me, me, Brittany and Sam

507
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Speaker 1: were there, and I think it was like wanted to

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Speaker 1: hear him out right. I wanted to understand like what

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Speaker 1: the philosophical positions were and wanted to tell him my perspective.

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Speaker 1: You know, so much of this is about showing up,

511
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Speaker 1: and we can't influence people we don't talk to. We can't, uh,

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Speaker 1: we can't sort of change the conversation at the table

513
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Speaker 1: if we're not at the table. We know that the

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Speaker 1: work doesn't only happen at the table, that it happens

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Speaker 1: in the streets, that happens in the bar rooms, that

516
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Speaker 1: happens at the dinner table. Is there many places that

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Speaker 1: we need to make sure we bring the conversation, but

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Speaker 1: one is bringing it to the people who have uh

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Speaker 1: structural power, knowing that like the people who have political

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Speaker 1: power always the people themselves. Right, So we have this conversation.

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Speaker 1: I think it was interesting because I hadn't ever thought

522
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Speaker 1: about one of their big points, or his big points,

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Speaker 1: is this idea that like the true censorship comes from

524
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Speaker 1: the platforms, not from the internet service providers. Right, So

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Speaker 1: what he will say, well he's written about is like,

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Speaker 1: you know, the fact that Twitter fans people and isn't

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Speaker 1: transparent about it, or the fact that the Facebook algorithm,

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Speaker 1: which decides what you see and how you see it

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Speaker 1: as a secret is actually a bigger threat to insert here, right,

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Speaker 1: like freedom, transparency, safety than repealing that neutrality. And like,

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Speaker 1: you know, while I disagree fundamentally, I never thought about

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Speaker 1: that as like like that wasn't one of the things

533
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Speaker 1: I was that I was thinking about sort of pushing back,

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Speaker 1: Like I didn't think about that as like a big lever.

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Speaker 1: So that was one. You know, he had a lot

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Speaker 1: of faith in the FTC and like one of the

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Speaker 1: things you see from the Republicans in general was this

538
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Speaker 1: idea that like de regulation just like makes things better.

539
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Speaker 1: And what we know to be true is that without

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Speaker 1: any regulation, like without standards and accountability, there'd be no

541
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Speaker 1: equity and justice that unfettered. Letting the people with the

542
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Speaker 1: most structural power and the most money decide how they

543
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Speaker 1: work always leads to a system that benefits the wealthiest people,

544
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Speaker 1: you know, like that doesn't work. So it was it

545
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Speaker 1: was good to listen and hear from him directly. It

546
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Speaker 1: was disappointed that the votes still happened the way that

547
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Speaker 1: they did. Yeah, I mean, I totally agree that Facebook

548
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Speaker 1: and all the different platforms are are threats in and

549
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Speaker 1: of themselves. But I don't see how giving you know,

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Speaker 1: the I s p s access to you know, the

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Speaker 1: ability to also have some determination on that does anything

552
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Speaker 1: but add an additional threat to the mix. Like, I

553
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Speaker 1: don't see how that's going to help us, uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: fend off Facebook. But yeah, I am totally having run

555
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Speaker 1: a website I ran Cracked for like ten years, and

556
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Speaker 1: you know that site kind of got killed by Facebook

557
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 1: tweaking the algorithm and you know, us not knowing why

558
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Speaker 1: or you know, them like bending things just basically towards

559
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Speaker 1: whoever was paying them. So yeah, that that's disappointing. Is

560
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Speaker 1: there is there something that you're looking forward to kind

561
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Speaker 1: of see whether they're going to like funk us uh

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Speaker 1: like the I s P S. Is there's something based

563
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Speaker 1: on that conversation that you think we should all be

564
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Speaker 1: looking for as a canary in the coal mine. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think that. Um, you know, I had to. I

566
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Speaker 1: had the former chairman of the FCC on the podcast

567
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Speaker 1: right after we met with a Z then and one

568
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Speaker 1: of the things that he said is that the row

569
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Speaker 1: won't end right now, right, so we're fine that this

570
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Speaker 1: will be tied up in the courts for a while,

571
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Speaker 1: and that we should be looking forward to what happened

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Speaker 1: in like a year or so, like that will be

573
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Speaker 1: when this the rubber really hits the row with this.

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Speaker 1: So so we'll see, you know, I am I'm mindful,

575
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Speaker 1: like there's a lot that there's a lot of stake here. Um,

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Speaker 1: I'm hopeful that the Trump administration doesn't last, you know

577
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Speaker 1: till build like something has to happen to get the

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Speaker 1: few body here. So we'll see. Yeah, right, this is

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Speaker 1: iffy and I have two part of question one is

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Speaker 1: going to be a little harder than the other. The

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Speaker 1: first one is, uh, you know, I'm l A born

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Speaker 1: and raight, so I grew up out here, and you know, once,

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Speaker 1: you know, I think, once the police start shooting and

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Speaker 1: started getting more visible when ramping up, even though it

585
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Speaker 1: was kind of known to people of color, it kind

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00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 1: of sparks something in me I had, you know, I

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Speaker 1: put in I was I was starting to put on

588
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Speaker 1: my like vest and get ready to do my thing.

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Speaker 1: But you know, I started trying to speak to people

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Speaker 1: and lawyers about like what we can do about the

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Speaker 1: l a p D and like places like out here

592
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Speaker 1: where the l a p D has a separate bill

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Speaker 1: of rights that protect individual cops from being held accountable.

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00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: It felt like we hit a real wall and I

595
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Speaker 1: wouldn't know what to do with that, and that kind

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Speaker 1: of discouraged me. So in that, what do you think

597
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Speaker 1: we can do about things like bill of rights that

598
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Speaker 1: protect cops and what can activists do to not be

599
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Speaker 1: discouraged while fighting the fight? Yes, so the bill of

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Speaker 1: rights actually like part and parcel with the policing in contract.

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Speaker 1: So if you got to check the police dot org,

602
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Speaker 1: you can see all of the villa rights across the

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Speaker 1: country for police officers combined with the policing contracts are

604
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Speaker 1: they're like the same, essentially the same thing. So you're right,

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Speaker 1: there's one. There's the one that protects l A p

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Speaker 1: D and the other police departments in California. Uh, they

607
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Speaker 1: shouldn't be discouraging the people and the sense that like,

608
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Speaker 1: you know, people did it, and because people didn't, people

609
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 1: can do something different. So like we can, Bobby, we

610
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Speaker 1: can become the state legislatures legislators and change, and we

611
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Speaker 1: can become the city council. Like so that's like a

612
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Speaker 1: path that is real. The other thing is that people

613
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Speaker 1: just don't know. So I think that if people knew,

614
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Speaker 1: they would, like it's hard to find the idea that

615
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Speaker 1: the police just get access to all the investigation materials

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Speaker 1: before they get interrogated. Like, I don't know, that's a

617
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Speaker 1: hard thing to desfend what the police have always says

618
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: for decades that like any attempt to make them accountable

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Speaker 1: will like somehow damp in public safety, and like that's

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Speaker 1: a shame that that's a deflection. You know, third of

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Speaker 1: all the people killed in this country about strangers actually

622
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Speaker 1: killed my police officer, which is wild, right, Like that's

623
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Speaker 1: like a wild thing, so doesn't discourage me. I think

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Speaker 1: what is hard is that their eighteen dollars and police departments. Right,

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Speaker 1: So when we think about the six a lot of

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Speaker 1: these sixes will happen at the local and state level.

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Speaker 1: The structural changes, if it's not addition to funding by

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Speaker 1: the d o J, will just be harder at the

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Speaker 1: part level, especially if it doesn't come from legislation. So

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Speaker 1: for now, it's working at the local level, and like,

631
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Speaker 1: people have been done incredible work. I think that people

632
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 1: need to remember that it's possible to win right in America.

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Speaker 1: Does seem so often like yeah, people do things and

634
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 1: then people can undo them. But it does seem like, um,

635
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,959
Speaker 1: the more well funded side or the side that stands

636
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: to make more money tends to win out over time.

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Speaker 1: Like uh, I'm asking a question that's already been asked,

638
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Speaker 1: which is like, how do you avoid getting cynical based

639
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Speaker 1: on that? But yeah, it does just seem like money,

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Speaker 1: the side that stands to make money has such an

641
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 1: advantage in our country. Yeah, I'm like we should tease, like,

642
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: you know, money helps amplify and like changes the way

643
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 1: the pace of the way information spreads, and it also

644
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: helps people make different choices about their time and energy. Right,

645
00:33:56,600 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 1: So money allows like for advertising and air time work

646
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 1: for people to just own the like Fox News is

647
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: a great example, or like you can just pay a

648
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: gazillion people to canvas or whatever because you have the money.

649
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,839
Speaker 1: The things that money allows to happen, like we can

650
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,479
Speaker 1: figure out a way to organize around it doesn't require money,

651
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 1: but still as the same impact. It's just harder, right,

652
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 1: And I think what is different about this moment is

653
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 1: that there are infinitely more people who are ready and

654
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Speaker 1: willing to do something. Then there's like a structure to

655
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Speaker 1: sort of point them to what to do. And you

656
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 1: don't really need a structure where you're paying people, right

657
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:31,959
Speaker 1: because like you can just pay them. It's a little

658
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 1: bit harder when you have eighty volunteers and you're like,

659
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 1: let's go do this. So I'm hopeful that in twenty

660
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Speaker 1: that we will figure that out a little better. I

661
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 1: think that the movement the protest of the past few

662
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: years have provided some structure. I think the Indivisible folks

663
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 1: have provided another set of structure. But I think an

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Speaker 1: a team will see sort of a superstructure that just

665
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Speaker 1: like helps people figure out where to go, what to do.

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Speaker 1: The committig era offset the impact of those with money

667
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 1: to be as dangerous as they have been. Yeah, I

668
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 1: mean that's incredibly uh hopeful and admirable. And yeah, I mean,

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00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,919
Speaker 1: you guys are fighting against some interests that have more

670
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: money than a lot of the nations that you read

671
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 1: about in history books that people had to fight against.

672
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: So it's it's pretty incredible what you what you're managing

673
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,359
Speaker 1: to do. And so I wanted to shift over too.

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00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 1: There was a recent report about how Obama's presidency economically

675
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 1: hurt black families more than just about anyone in America. Uh,

676
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: and it was also just generally bad for equality in

677
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 1: the country. Um, I'd love to get your thoughts on

678
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: sort of the legacy of the Obama presidency as it

679
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,839
Speaker 1: relates to you know, those stories and and just in

680
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 1: general and you know, from a symbolic and energy level,

681
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 1: like how you deal with stuff like that. Yeah, I

682
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 1: think that I think that the critiques of Obama with

683
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: regard to race, especially the beginning of his term, his

684
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 1: first term, make a lot of sense. You know, the

685
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: report talks about black unemployment and an equity and I

686
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,080
Speaker 1: think it is true the Abouma sort of happy this

687
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Speaker 1: idea that if we change the game for everybody, people

688
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: of color will do better to write and and I

689
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: think the data in some ways it didn't actually bear

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00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: that out. I also think that like we can't take

691
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: for granted things like healthcare right that like people call

692
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:18,320
Speaker 1: a marginal people disproportionately benefit from that, and that's not inconsequential,

693
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: and that in some ways one of the critiques of

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Speaker 1: Obama that perhaps is the most sort of fairs that

695
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 1: they didn't push even more through when they had Congress, right,

696
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 1: that like you look at what Trump's going now, is

697
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 1: that he should have ran everything through in the first

698
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 1: you know, three and six five days. That like what

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Speaker 1: would it have looked like if Obama was was even

700
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: more aggressive around some of the bigger systemic issues when

701
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 1: yet Congress and then you look at the rest of

702
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 1: the presidency and there was no Congress, right, so it

703
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,320
Speaker 1: was really just an administration trying to use its administrative power.

704
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 1: I think that the protests really forced Obama to think

705
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: about race differently and to publicly talk about race differently,

706
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,359
Speaker 1: because it was race right. It was all these black

707
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 1: kids getting killed, about the police, and he had to

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Speaker 1: do something. You know. I was hopefully at the end

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00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: of the administration because it seemed like there was progress

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00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 1: and I think that they were trying to do a

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00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: setup for a Hillary and that it just didn't you know,

712
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,320
Speaker 1: she didn't win, and I think a lot of energy

713
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 1: was lost there and that was sad. Yes, it was. Wait,

714
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 1: you're saying Hillary didn't win the election. That's crazy. Uh,

715
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:21,800
Speaker 1: you know, I have to have to say it really calmly.

716
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 1: Just oh yeah, just to go along with kind of

717
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: like the Obama legacy, because that is something that has

718
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 1: been you know, it's it's talked about a lot. And

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00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 1: I think especially in the wake of that Cornell west

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Speaker 1: op ed and the Guardian about Tana easy Coats. Uh,

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00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 1: you know, it seemed like he was even alluding to

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00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: the fact that there were like levels to the struggle

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00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 1: or this movement. Um, you know, what did you make

724
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: of that? Like, did you do you think Cornell is

725
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,399
Speaker 1: expressing a valid point the wrong way? Is he completely off?

726
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:51,879
Speaker 1: I'm just curious to sort of hear your thoughts on that.

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Speaker 1: To me, one of the biggest thingaways from the entire

728
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 1: debate between the two of them was this was the

729
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,959
Speaker 1: idea of progress and would it looked like and hope?

730
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Speaker 1: And I think that you know, Cornell's pushed to Tona

731
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 1: Hesse was sort of like, your fatalism is either unearned

732
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: or wrong for all of these reasons and in tones.

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Speaker 1: He didn't really respond to to Cornell's UH statements as

734
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Speaker 1: much as he sort of just hilided at Cornell hadn't

735
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Speaker 1: read his pieces. But I think a fair critique of

736
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 1: the Cornell position is sort of like, where has the

737
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 1: prophetic tradition taken us? Right? That like, did the legacy

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Speaker 1: of the prophetic tradition in this country that didn't achieve

739
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: the freedom that it purported to achieve to right? And

740
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 1: I think that that, like along that Folcrum, I think

741
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 1: that's fair. I think there is a fatalism that that

742
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:39,839
Speaker 1: Tana Hesse has made UH sort of mainstream. And while

743
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 1: that is not and I like that doesn't resonate with me,

744
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 1: I understand how it resonates with some people. I think

745
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 1: there's also this prophetic tradition that like people let you

746
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 1: into because it is the backbone of the civil rights movement,

747
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 1: and and I think it's fair to question sort of

748
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 1: when that came from. I do think that, you know,

749
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 1: I'm always interested at how much space the public intellectuals

750
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 1: take up in the perspective, they're so different than the

751
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: people who have been in the rooms or have been

752
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: in the streets and have been sort of have been

753
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 1: on the grind with these issues. So it's it still

754
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 1: feels very theoretical when I read some of this writing,

755
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 1: and you know, I don't live in theory. I live

756
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: in practice. Right, So the theory is helpful even so

757
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 1: far that helps us think about the practice differently. And

758
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that that debate helped me think about

759
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: the practice of this work any differently, right? Right? Is

760
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 1: there something about activism and that that people kind of

761
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 1: get wrong or or misunderstand? Like I know, I've heard

762
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:39,359
Speaker 1: it center a podcast of the Founding Fathers were activists. Um,

763
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 1: can you are are there like things that when people

764
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 1: who aren't involved on a day to day level like

765
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 1: you are, when they picture in their mind activism that

766
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 1: they just get totally wrong. You know, I'm less interested

767
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 1: in like how you identify like you should? You know,

768
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 1: It's it's interesting it's only people of color that have

769
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: to like choose between sort of profession and being in

770
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 1: a deivist. And I think about activist as people who

771
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:03,720
Speaker 1: like think the world should be better and are willing

772
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 1: to fight for it. So you look at Colin the

773
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,360
Speaker 1: column has to choose between being like a football player,

774
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,879
Speaker 1: an athlete, or like somebody who believes that the police

775
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 1: didn't kill people. White people always get to live in

776
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 1: a world where they can be, like they can be

777
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 1: like a dope accountant, an ape team. I'm like, they

778
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: don't have to, but people of color always have to

779
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: make a choice, and like that, I think that's a

780
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,240
Speaker 1: false choice. So when I think about being an activist,

781
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 1: it is it is as much of an identity as

782
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: it is an approach, right, And like when you think that,

783
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: like I don't know anything from the school should be

784
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 1: better to like people shouldn't have to work a hundred

785
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 1: hours a week to have basic food or a house

786
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 1: right there, Like I think that that is, like that

787
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 1: is what it means to be a citizen or a person.

788
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: And I don't care how you identify as an activist,

789
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 1: as long as you're committed to the work. So when

790
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: we think about social justice, it's like even that is redundant, right, Like,

791
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 1: what does the justice look like that isn't social? I

792
00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:00,839
Speaker 1: don't know. Yeah, that is uh when when you say

793
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 1: social justice like as somebody who's been on the internet

794
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: like that that is just a that's like a bad

795
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 1: word now like s jws Um. Yeah, I had a

796
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:12,839
Speaker 1: question for you, and this is more just on a

797
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 1: social level, because you know, I've noticed sometimes on the

798
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,760
Speaker 1: left there's been a lot of infighting and I felt

799
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 1: like you've dealt with other another activists lashing out at you. Uh,

800
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 1: and you know that caused some stuff and a lot

801
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 1: of that. Uh, what do how do you feel about that?

802
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 1: Because for me, you know, the thing that I I'm

803
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:36,280
Speaker 1: always worried about is being public with calling out and

804
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:40,959
Speaker 1: being pedantic about people's quote unquote wokeness and then some

805
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 1: like alt right or someone on the right using that

806
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 1: to kind of try and bury that person. Yeah, it's

807
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 1: like a hard mom. You know, as much as we

808
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 1: fight the system and the people we disagree with, to

809
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: be honest, it is hard to see people not keep

810
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: this thing in their own work, right. So that's like one.

811
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 1: The second is I'm mindful of like what it what

812
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:04,320
Speaker 1: it looks like when we say publicly. You know, I

813
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 1: will say that any any disagreement I've ever been in

814
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 1: that has resulted in a public disagreement, we've tried to

815
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 1: resolve offline. So me and the people around we never

816
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 1: bring the battle to the internet because I'm sensitive of

817
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 1: what it means to have a big platform, and people

818
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 1: think that this is the way we disagree. But sometimes,

819
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: like you call people, you text them and they will

820
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 1: tell you one thing in person and then so do

821
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: something different. So we've never brought the battle to the internet,

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00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 1: you know. And the third is it is real that

823
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 1: like there are people who want us to to like

824
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 1: lose right and they take any moment of disagreement as

825
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 1: a way to like divide and divide and divide, and

826
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 1: like that is true. That shouldn't change our condemic to

827
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 1: being honest. And I think that for some people, that

828
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 1: people inside the movement who are like they know things

829
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 1: aren't real or dishonest or shaking. They're just like, you know,

830
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 1: for the good of the whole, just like don't talk

831
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 1: about it, and like I don't know what a freedom,

832
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 1: what a politics of freedom eflected to read it in

833
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: live like that doesn't to me look like liberation. Right,

834
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 1: So those are the things that I like try to

835
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 1: guide myself with. And again, the things that you've ever

836
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 1: found about online publicly have been things that people have

837
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,800
Speaker 1: brought to us, not things that we have brought to them. Definitely,

838
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 1: I just I think it's we're running out of time.

839
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 1: But I just want to ask one last question on

840
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,919
Speaker 1: a lighter note, Deray, what is the greatest TV show

841
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 1: of all time? In your parents? X Men? For sure?

842
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 1: I love the X Men. The X Men cartoon was

843
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 1: like storm changed my life, everything, the hole, everything was great.

844
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 1: I never ever if I never ever see the Phoenix

845
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 1: Saga ever again. I feel like there was like this

846
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 1: weird pier where it was just like reruns of the

847
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 1: Phoenix Saga. But so I'm exhausted with the PHOENICX side up.

848
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 1: But I love the X Men. No, no, no, no, no, no. Yes,

849
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:49,879
Speaker 1: that was the most That was one of the best

850
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 1: things I've ever heard. Yes, I had, I had the

851
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: piece of VHS that they gave you with the episodes,

852
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: and it was and it wasn't only like five minutes

853
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:02,360
Speaker 1: of yeah, it wasn't anyway. So I just want you know,

854
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,359
Speaker 1: I had to had to get let people in on

855
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: you know, the the just the lighter side of the

856
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 1: one last light thing. So you took your best to

857
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 1: Patagonia so it could get like touched up. Was that

858
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 1: like a de Ray special? Or can anyone take their

859
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 1: Patagonia best? And anybody can take their clothes to Patagonia

860
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 1: repair side, it's called Warner where they I've never not

861
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 1: had the best overnight, so they will all fix it

862
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 1: the same day for me, um and I appreciate that.

863
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 1: So that is like a they. I had to get

864
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 1: a new a new zipper because the zipper broke that

865
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 1: a little bandy because the downads coming out, and so

866
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: they take care of me. They're great. When I was

867
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 1: arrested Batonaries, the beverage police stole my book bag. They

868
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 1: still have and they said they can't find it in Patagonia,

869
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 1: send me a new one. So they've been very kind

870
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 1: to Patagonia. Seriously, now, is that a branding thing or

871
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 1: is that a comfort thing or all the above? No?

872
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 1: So you know in the beginning, uh, you know, we

873
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 1: were the street for four hundred days, right, so we

874
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 1: were actually in the initial we were that's through all

875
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:04,280
Speaker 1: four seasons, and I needed something that I could where

876
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 1: that I never had to pack, that I could wear whenever, right,

877
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 1: so if I got too cold, I put a hoodie

878
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 1: on underhafter. It was just okay, and I'd like where

879
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 1: it is. And it became a thing for other people

880
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 1: way before it became a thing for me. But my apartment,

881
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 1: like I used to live in Minneapolis, in my apartment

882
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 1: is literally to this day still in stories like I

883
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 1: need to figure out who I'm to give my back

884
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 1: to you and books and all that stuff, but it's

885
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 1: still there. So the Best is like the heaviest thing

886
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: that I wore. So it's sort of like a it's

887
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 1: like a safety blanket. I'm used to it. It keeps

888
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,359
Speaker 1: me like grounded and humble. You know. It's like I

889
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 1: can't I'm not wearing real design or anything because I'm

890
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 1: wearing the same thing every day. It's simple. It's like

891
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 1: not a lot of decisions to make. And I've always

892
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 1: like had a thing so like when I was in

893
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 1: college there where it's like one hoodie every single day,

894
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 1: it was simple, and it was great when I was

895
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 1: in middle school where the steam jacket every day. So

896
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 1: the best is just like a simple, like easy to do.

897
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: Got it and not a lot of that. It means

898
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: something to me. I've been in it, uh like through

899
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 1: Dickens then through a lot of situations. You know, if

900
00:45:57,880 --> 00:45:59,439
Speaker 1: I can be with the President Obama and the best

901
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 1: I could be anybody in again a good friend. All Right,

902
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 1: I think that's all the time we have you for.

903
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 1: But this has been a real pleasure. Deray McKesson, thank

904
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:13,280
Speaker 1: you so much for talking to us. Thanks for appearing

905
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 1: on our stupid podcast. You guys are great. Thanks so

906
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 1: much for having me and I be forward to our

907
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 1: seeing you get too. All right, thanks Ray, uh and

908
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 1: we're going to take a quick break. We will be

909
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 1: back after this. And we're back. Yeah, we just talked

910
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 1: to one of the great leaders of our time and

911
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: we still can't stop talking about why Coke because that

912
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 1: that dude. We've just been Google image searching him and

913
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 1: I highly suggest that you guys do the same. But

914
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 1: also shout out to Deray for saying X Men animated series.

915
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 1: I mean, as if I didn't admire this person enough

916
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 1: as a black nerded like lit me up, like I'm

917
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 1: ready to go right right right. I didn't even know

918
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 1: there was an X Men TV show. What yeah, wait,

919
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:11,319
Speaker 1: how mad a version. No, no, no, you had to

920
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 1: have seen. That's not an excuse you didn't know there

921
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 1: were I just feel like it's impossible, like it was

922
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 1: like inescapable. Yeah. Would you like growing up nineties? Yeah,

923
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:23,919
Speaker 1: like they're really nineties? Would you like growing up like

924
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 1: in their early nineties? I was, you know, teenager, so yeah,

925
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:32,320
Speaker 1: what were you doing? You know, exce movies and stuff.

926
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:36,360
Speaker 1: He sounds like me when I talk about why I

927
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:39,319
Speaker 1: haven't read Harry Potter, like the guy, although you've read

928
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 1: Harry Potter, so I don't have to read the first

929
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 1: three Harry Potters. Okay, Yeah, Well he does have a

930
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:50,720
Speaker 1: favorite Bob Dylan quotes you guys. Yeah, they're they're laser

931
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:56,840
Speaker 1: engraved on his Sperris. Uh. Yeah, no, I'm just kidding.

932
00:47:56,920 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 1: I totally knew there was. Alright, we're gonna blow through.

933
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 1: All right, let's go through some some news items. Uh.

934
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 1: Apple has admitted that it does slow down old iPhones.

935
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: Uh was not a figment of your imagination or just

936
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 1: seeing the faster, newer version and making you think that

937
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 1: your old phone was slower. It's actually that they admit

938
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: that they make the phones slower with new updates. Uh.

939
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:33,399
Speaker 1: They make old phones slower with new updates because they

940
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 1: say the battery on old phones is deteriorating and so

941
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,360
Speaker 1: they need to make it slower or else it'll I

942
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 1: don't know, like melt your pocket or some ship. Makes sense.

943
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:48,799
Speaker 1: I mean I understand the like the technological logic of it,

944
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 1: but I guess the other thing we're talking about is like,

945
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 1: well then if you can, then you should just be

946
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 1: able to replace your battery to keep your ship running peak.

947
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 1: But it's like prohibitively expensive. No, it's just there's no

948
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 1: reason to do it. Well, yeah, because they use an

949
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:05,320
Speaker 1: obtainium and so we'd have to go up and see

950
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 1: the nabby and that. Yeah. No, I mean they yeah,

951
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:14,359
Speaker 1: there there have been smartphones that have replacedable batteries, but

952
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:17,319
Speaker 1: it's just they say it like makes makes it too

953
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:21,479
Speaker 1: big and too like clunky or whatever, so it makes

954
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 1: more sense for them just to just to buy you know,

955
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 1: I I experienced disposable iPhones. Experienced this firsthand because I

956
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 1: just upgraded to the iPhone Tin. Yeah, and so you know,

957
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 1: the my old phone was deteriorating the money in my wallet,

958
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 1: so I had to spend it, So I spent it

959
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 1: on this and now everything's safe. Although and it just

960
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 1: slid me a note that said that I feel battery

961
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 1: costs se really, so maybe it's not too bad. I

962
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 1: imagine that installation is probably the other part because they

963
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 1: have to take it apart with a welding. Well that's

964
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:56,479
Speaker 1: if you go to the Genius bar, dude, you gotta

965
00:49:56,480 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 1: find one. So the Office is coming back. Yeah, look,

966
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 1: I'm so excited five years ago. Uh yeah, so NBC,

967
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:08,799
Speaker 1: I guess because Will and Grace was such a hit,

968
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, hey, I guess we would start bringing

969
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 1: back Oh there's great beloved shows. So there, it looks

970
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 1: like there's a plan to bring back the Office. But

971
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:17,400
Speaker 1: here's the thing. It's still very early on and like

972
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 1: they're still trying to see who's down. But Steve Carell,

973
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 1: according to most people, is not going to be in it.

974
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:24,319
Speaker 1: So I don't understand the reason of bringing it back.

975
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,919
Speaker 1: The reason why Will and Grace, I imagine, was able

976
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 1: to capture more people was because at least the core

977
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 1: cast was returned. Although I know some people were saying

978
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 1: some people were missing blah blah blah, but it'll be

979
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 1: hard to say that The Office is going to perform

980
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 1: the same way. Because also, even at its peaked, the

981
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 1: Office was never as big as Will and Grace. So

982
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 1: is that true the Office was never I think maybe

983
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:46,319
Speaker 1: just for in terms of like the actual ratings. I

984
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 1: think as a cultural phenomena, it's probably debatable, but I

985
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 1: think in terms of like what the numbers did as time,

986
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 1: like Will and Grace was like a phenomen and also, like,

987
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 1: if you think about it too, the ending of the

988
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 1: series was pretty satisfying, like there weren't any sends to

989
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 1: tie up, Like I don't feel like I need anymore.

990
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 1: It would just be a cash grab, yeah, exactly. And

991
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 1: also it only ended four years ago, right, so that

992
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 1: by the end the last like two seasons, I felt

993
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 1: like the only thing I heard from people who are

994
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:15,799
Speaker 1: still watching it is like that somebody needed to put

995
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 1: it out of its misery, and like the guy who

996
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 1: created it has gone on to make you know, Parks

997
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 1: and rec was great and if you've already watched all that,

998
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 1: he's making the good Place now, which is also pretty solid.

999
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:27,919
Speaker 1: One of the good things is it gave us Ellie

1000
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 1: kemper Okay, you know, but I did. I went to

1001
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 1: look up some of the nineties NBC shows, and I

1002
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:37,319
Speaker 1: got some I got some banger pitches that would I

1003
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 1: think be more successful than uh if they were to

1004
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:43,799
Speaker 1: bring back the Office. Okay, so what do you got?

1005
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 1: So I got fresh Prince? Oh my god, I got

1006
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 1: but Uncle Phil died? Make a cannon? Saved by the bell?

1007
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:57,800
Speaker 1: Uh without screech m A different world, Oh, a different world.

1008
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 1: I'll be interesting. Uh. And freaks and geeks. I would

1009
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 1: love to see Jasmine guy again. Yeah, where is she anyway?

1010
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:08,720
Speaker 1: Saved by the Bell is what I was watching. You guys,

1011
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 1: did you watch The College Years two? You know? That

1012
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 1: was a real that was that was hard to watch too,

1013
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 1: although I did watch it, but I have fans, you know,

1014
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:19,799
Speaker 1: say by the bell happened inside Zack's head. It was like, oh, yes,

1015
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 1: this theory, Yes, tell you about the the theme song.

1016
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 1: So the theme song, alright and being constantly undermined. Uh.

1017
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:35,280
Speaker 1: So the theme song when you hear it, it goes

1018
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 1: from like the beginning of his day, waking up in

1019
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 1: the morning, you hear the bell, right, and then he

1020
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 1: goes into school and has a shitty day at school. Now,

1021
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:47,720
Speaker 1: the Zach Morris we know has never had a shitty

1022
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 1: day at Bayside, but in the song, he has a

1023
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 1: shitty day at school, gets home and says it's all

1024
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 1: right because I'm saved by the bell. And then the

1025
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 1: theme song that starts every episode is a school day,

1026
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 1: and then the once the show starts, we're actually entering

1027
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 1: Zack's dreams. So the theme song is his waking life

1028
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 1: where he's just like a shitty sea student, which is

1029
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 1: what the first season of the show was. Zach was

1030
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:16,880
Speaker 1: like lived in Indiana and he was just a shitty

1031
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:19,880
Speaker 1: sea student who had a teacher named Miss Bliss. And

1032
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 1: then second season we enter his dream world where he

1033
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:25,360
Speaker 1: lives in like some California suburb and like he's the

1034
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:27,799
Speaker 1: coolest guy in school and he can freeze time with

1035
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 1: his hands and ship. Uh So that's that's my fan

1036
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 1: theory that we wrote about. It correct interesting. Yeah, I look,

1037
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 1: it's it's something to think about. That's what I was

1038
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:41,319
Speaker 1: doing instead of watching X. Yeah, you're coming up you

1039
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 1: analyzing and what the real meaning of and that's actually

1040
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 1: probably more meaningful than me just my mouth agape watching

1041
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:57,760
Speaker 1: Sentinels yea eat. And and finally, the Netflix has released

1042
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:01,240
Speaker 1: its first blockbuster movie, The Movie They Spent I believe

1043
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:06,280
Speaker 1: eighty million, nine million on a single feature length film.

1044
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 1: They got the writer of Victor Frankenstein, Max Landis, uh

1045
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 1: famous douche Max Landis, and this director of End of Watch.

1046
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 1: So that's cool, but also suicide Squad less cool. Uh,

1047
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 1: and it's if you've seen the trailer, it's a bizarre

1048
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 1: sort of weird racial allegory where Will Smith like is

1049
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:34,280
Speaker 1: an l a cop who's like racist against like magical

1050
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:39,839
Speaker 1: creatures or species. Yeah, he's species ist. Um and it is.

1051
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 1: We're we're going to watch it over the weekend, so

1052
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:45,240
Speaker 1: we'll report back to you. But as of right now, uh,

1053
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:49,319
Speaker 1: it's getting just killed straight up zeros. Right, it's get

1054
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:54,440
Speaker 1: It's getting like actual zero from like reviews on metacritics

1055
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 1: just just slam dunked into the trash can except for one, right, Yeah,

1056
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 1: except for I Itty was like Max Landis is a

1057
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:05,759
Speaker 1: true genius. It's like, yo, Max, like, don't like tone

1058
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 1: it down a little bit with your review of your

1059
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:09,839
Speaker 1: own movie, dadd you have to come through and be like, hey,

1060
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 1: you better talk nice about now. Yeah, Max Landis. Back

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Speaker 1: when I was at Cracked, we had to kick him

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Speaker 1: out of the Cracked forum because it was such an asshole.

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00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:20,400
Speaker 1: It's like, we didn't kick many people out of the

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Speaker 1: Cracked forum, but that dude was such a dick. What

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00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:24,319
Speaker 1: was he? What do you have to do to get

1066
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 1: kicked out of a fucking forum? Just be super obnoxious?

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00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:29,919
Speaker 1: Really was he? Like? Just flaming? He's like, you guys

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00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 1: don't know ship, Like my stories are fucking dope. I

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00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 1: forget I I don't remember the specifics of the conversation.

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Speaker 1: I just remember that we were like, oh, remember this asshole,

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00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:43,759
Speaker 1: this guy he just released a movie called what was

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00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 1: that movie called Chronicle Chronicle? Yeah, yeah, that's one of

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00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:53,319
Speaker 1: the kids fire around and yeah, uh not that kid,

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Speaker 1: not solid guy who wrote it. Not that I tried

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00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 1: to make money with Cracked. You doing, you know, submitting

1076
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:03,759
Speaker 1: those pictures for the list never got picked once I

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00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:08,879
Speaker 1: got to look, that's why I'm here. If he keeps

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00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 1: inching his chair closer to Jet, about to press him over, uh,

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Speaker 1: and that's gonna do it for today, I think, rick Us, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think. Well, lastly, let's just shout out to Nick

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00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:24,319
Speaker 1: for uncovering a musical conspiracy. You know ed Shearing song

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00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:27,359
Speaker 1: The Shape of You. It really took the charts by Yeah,

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00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 1: so next week you'll hear our conversation about the song

1084
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:32,880
Speaker 1: of the year. Uh, and we skip over. We're like,

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00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:35,400
Speaker 1: you know, our songs of the year weren't the most played,

1086
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 1: because the most played was this bullshit The Shape of

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00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 1: You by Ed Cheron, which could have come out in

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00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:43,879
Speaker 1: any year, and it turns out it had already come

1089
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:47,360
Speaker 1: out in a different year. Because so there's there's this

1090
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 1: New York Times article where they're talking about, like the

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00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:52,359
Speaker 1: Shape of You the most played song on Spotify, and

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00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 1: as super producer Nick Stump put it, Ed Sharon and

1093
00:56:56,680 --> 00:57:00,120
Speaker 1: his producers are just standing there jerking each other off

1094
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 1: about like how great the writing process was. And Nick

1095
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 1: was watching this video and he was like, holy shit,

1096
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:10,280
Speaker 1: it's it's just scrubs, Like I've heard this progression before,

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00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 1: this note sequence before. So I guess let's do a

1098
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:14,719
Speaker 1: little side by side and let's hear edge sheering first,

1099
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 1: and then we'll hear scrubs. Do you know you love

1100
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 1: what's sending me for somebody? Like I don't want to know,

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00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 1: you know, no, scrub scrub is that kind of getting

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00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 1: from me? I mean, but really, when the inspiration hit,

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00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:39,439
Speaker 1: I was just like I don't know. Yeah, he liked

1104
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:41,919
Speaker 1: that was just talking about it like they're talking about

1105
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 1: it like it was the invention of the light bulb.

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00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 1: It's I don't know, man, but yeah, so that that

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00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 1: is the most played song of the year, and that

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00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 1: proves nothing but that this was but it kind of

1109
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 1: sounds similar. And also it's it's hard to even argue

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00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 1: that because they changed the progression just enough, right, that

1111
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 1: is not a total rip off. But that's what most

1112
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 1: music is, he stays. Anyway, So the whole story is

1113
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 1: like and Ed Sheeron didn't even know he had magic

1114
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 1: when it's like when he first wrote it, he wrote

1115
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:12,360
Speaker 1: it in only ninety minutes. It's like, yeah, that's about

1116
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 1: how long I would take to rip off TLC. But

1117
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 1: all right, sorry a cheering uh if he It's been

1118
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 1: a pleasure as always to have you. Where can people

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00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 1: follow you? Oh you can catch me at if you

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Speaker 1: waway on Twitter, I f y in w A d

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Speaker 1: I w E on Instagram same one and on twitch

1122
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 1: at A few of you have been coming on my

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00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:37,720
Speaker 1: twitch stream talking about I'm here from the Daily Night Guy. Yeah.

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00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 1: I was like, wow, I didn't know. I got a

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00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:46,160
Speaker 1: few twitch heads listeners sent The Zight Gang is large

1126
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 1: like gangs, so if you're coming to my Twitch stream,

1127
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 1: make sure you use hashtag night Gang so he knows

1128
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 1: because we get a one cent for each miles. Where

1129
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 1: can people follow you? You can follow me on Twitter

1130
00:58:57,240 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 1: and Instagram at Miles of Grade. You can follow me

1131
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 1: at Jack Underscore O'Brien. You can follow us at the

1132
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 1: Daily Zikis on Instagram, Daily Ziegeist on Twitter. We have

1133
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 1: Facebook fan page. We have a website, Daily Zeitgeist dot

1134
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 1: com and where you can find episodes and our footnotes

1135
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 1: notes where we link off two sources that prove the

1136
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 1: stuff we're talking about is actually real and written by

1137
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 1: actual journalists. Uh. And finally, we have a new show,

1138
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 1: our first new show from the West Coast, how Stuff Works,

1139
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 1: Uh Studios and the comedy imprint that we're starting up

1140
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:39,439
Speaker 1: out here. Uh. It's called Culture Kings. Its stars Jack,

1141
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 1: kiss Edgar and Carl and Uh. They're all guys who

1142
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 1: we've had on before. They are all super super funny dudes.

1143
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 1: And the first episode comes out on January ten. Look

1144
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:55,680
Speaker 1: out for that. It's make sure you listen to it.

1145
00:59:55,680 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 1: It's gonna be good. Trash. That was just came for

1146
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:08,240
Speaker 1: Carl oh Man, you know. Now I'm sad as hell.

1147
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 1: You know, check my artsie post and you got something

1148
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:13,240
Speaker 1: for Jakissa. I think I think that that's I think

1149
01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:18,160
Speaker 1: that's you, and I'm believing. I like although this man

1150
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:21,160
Speaker 1: has the smoothest fucking voice. Just wait, man, anybody who

1151
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:24,000
Speaker 1: listen to I'm telling you Jakis's voice is going to

1152
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:29,800
Speaker 1: melt it pregnant, pregnant just by listening to it. Yes, yes, uh,

1153
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:32,440
Speaker 1: And that's gonna do it. For today's episode, Miles, what

1154
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:34,480
Speaker 1: are we going to write out on? We're gonna write

1155
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:36,600
Speaker 1: out on a song by an artist called John Bapp.

1156
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:39,920
Speaker 1: It's called let It Happen. It's a very h's it's

1157
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 1: a live band but with a very j dilla feel

1158
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 1: like he's like this really dope, low fun I don't know,

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01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:46,520
Speaker 1: I mean, just check it out. When's it from? Is

1160
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:48,440
Speaker 1: it like new? Yeah, it's new? This is uh. This

1161
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 1: song actually came out in this year. So check out

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01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 1: John Bap. And this song is called let It Happen.

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01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:56,040
Speaker 1: What's the genre? Man? I don't even want to put

1164
01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:57,960
Speaker 1: this man in the box. Yes he does, he does

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01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 1: it all, but he has a hip hop He definitely

1166
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 1: comes from that tradition, but it's like there's all the guitars,

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01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 1: it's biby. You'll feel like it's cool. We're gonna write

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01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 1: out on that we will be back tomorrow for one

1169
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:12,520
Speaker 1: final episode before the new year, and then we have

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Speaker 1: a bunch of kind of many episodes that we're gonna

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01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:18,520
Speaker 1: drop on you guys over next week. Be warm cheap,

1172
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:22,000
Speaker 1: You're warm over the holiday. But we'll be back tomorrow

1173
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:24,760
Speaker 1: for another episode because it is a daily podcast, talk

1174
01:01:24,800 --> 01:02:30,960
Speaker 1: to you guys. Then by ease back can really pay you.

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Speaker 1: The water so good to work. All the pat contempting

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Speaker 1: to paint can come back, and that can contempt and

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Speaker 1: the cont